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The Little Mermaid is Queerer Than You Think

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Jessica Kellgren-Fozard

Jessica Kellgren-Fozard

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00:00 Intro
01:20 The Original Story
12:56 The Movie [1989]
13:10 Howard Ashman
15:22 Ursula
19:45 Is it really queer?
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@nyorumi5221
@nyorumi5221 Жыл бұрын
As an autistic person with selective mutism, Ariel from the animated disney film is so important to me. I wasn't diagnosed until I was older, but it was my favourite Disney film as a kid, and coming into adulthood and getting seen for my medical issues and having explanations I realised why I saw so much of myself in her when I was a kid. I was a little girl who loved to sing, who lost my voice and struggled to speak, who obsessed over collections and other things many people around me thought where weird. I felt like I belonged nowhere and as I grew up I never thought anyone would want to spend time with me as a friend or otherwise. Ariel may or may not be autistic in that movie. I'm pretty sure the creators never intended that, but that doesn't mean she doesn't present many traits that I can relate to. And maybe her mutism was caused by something magical, and could ultimately be reversed, while mine was due to health issues. But still. She was incredibly important to me and still is.
@alexandra1415
@alexandra1415 Жыл бұрын
ariel was a favourite of mine looking back i wasnt aware of a particular reason (other than maybe her being a redhead or just enjoying the story) but having also had selective mutism (mostly during school less so now) maybe I had a subconcious connection to her and your explanation is similar to my experience
@missnaomi613
@missnaomi613 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your perspective/experience!
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
I was obsessed with mermaids before my autism diagnosis and related a lot specifically to Ariel in the film so I totally get where you’re coming from!
@flo9
@flo9 Жыл бұрын
This is also why I didn't like the change they made to Kiss the Girl. If you have to change something because it's genuinely bad or it's a gigantic plot hole like writing, fine. But why is it better having to specifically ask for a kiss when she's really quite obviously fishing for one but can't specifically tell you yes in spoken words any better?
@planetaryg0
@planetaryg0 Жыл бұрын
there's another comment somewhere here explaining how the writer was autistic, so she very well may have been a metaphor for that too! :)
@dismaldoll2222
@dismaldoll2222 Жыл бұрын
Why do they blame something being bad because it’s “woke” and not because of bad writing, bad direction, bad acting etc. Isn’t saying that something’s bad just because it’s more diverse and inclusive the definition of bigotry.
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is. And I don’t understand why “woke” is even considered a bad thing. To me it means that you are more aware and considerate of other people’s experiences. That is not a bad thing.
@Palindrome78
@Palindrome78 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@ladyflimflam
@ladyflimflam Жыл бұрын
Bigotry is the point and what they want
@HotDogTimeMachine385
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
​@@jennifers5560 When they say something is "woke" they just mean it has black people, women or gays and they don't like it. and if they say "i hate it because it has minorities" they would admit their bigotry, so they hide behind the abstract word "woke".
@katerinazavadilova9440
@katerinazavadilova9440 Жыл бұрын
I think the criticism is meant to be that the creators prioritised being seen as promoting diversity over good storytelling. I suppose in theory there could be a story where this is a valid criticism, but in practice usually a creative choice for diversity doesn't make the story any worse and it's just homophobes being offended that they have to be reminded of queer people's existence...
@AMoniqueOcampo
@AMoniqueOcampo Жыл бұрын
Three things: 1) Jessica is literally dressed like a Disney Princess! Looking beautiful! 2) My first response to all the conservatives hating on the live action Little Mermaid was basically thinking about Hans Christen Andersen and Howard Ashman. And Ursula. So yeah. 3) Want to spotlight a similar Black Little Mermaid story called Once On This Island which essentially has elements of The Little Mermaid with a mix of Lodun/Carribean culture and ends tragically.
@maitesoto1953
@maitesoto1953 Жыл бұрын
Once on this island is beautiful!!! Definitely one of my favourite musicals, I love the recent-ish revival with Haley Kilgore
@lyrablack8621
@lyrablack8621 Жыл бұрын
I would much prefer to support _Once On This Island_ than Disney! Thanks for sharing
@rheagalarneau1366
@rheagalarneau1366 Жыл бұрын
I was just about to say this.
@sunsinger7806
@sunsinger7806 Жыл бұрын
This video is reminding me of the "Disney movies encourage disobedience to parents" idea that circulated through my Christian circles in the midwest. I was all aboard that train at the time. I didn't even think about Ariel being genuinely unhappy and her father being straight up wrong. Parents don't always know what's right for their children. That's an idea I didn't grasp until much later.
@Absmagail129
@Absmagail129 Жыл бұрын
The reason why I never was allowed to watch the little mermaid until I was 16. Spoiler: I was rebellious anyway before I watched it!!! Lol
@mandi4122
@mandi4122 Жыл бұрын
Yeah my mom says something about that everytime and it's so hard not to say anything. But that's one thing I loved about the live action little mermaid at the end she tells her dad thank you for hearing me and king Triton says "you shouldn't have had to lose your voice to be heard" and that's just probably my favorite part now lol
@Absmagail129
@Absmagail129 Жыл бұрын
@@mandi4122 I looooove that
@taejasper1343
@taejasper1343 Жыл бұрын
No, they don't, but they do want to protect them from groomers like Disney who want have their kids sexualized in school by their teachers at ages 5 and 6 and whatnot!
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
This video gave me the best response when people ask me why I always talk about “gay” things. “Because I have to offset people like you who demonize it!” 🌈🏳️‍🌈
@ma.chariza9590
@ma.chariza9590 Жыл бұрын
Nobody cares
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
@@ma.chariza9590Ah, but you do care.
@niencat
@niencat Жыл бұрын
❤ Jennifer. It is so sad that this is necessary still
@taejasper1343
@taejasper1343 Жыл бұрын
No, you don't! You just need to let people have their own opinions and enjoy the movie if you like it, okay? That's all, no one's being transphobic or anything, they just simply don't like it because it looks terrible compared to the OG film and it's dark as hell, and it's yet another Disney live action remake nobody wants! That they didn't ask for at all!
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
@@niencat ❤️
@nyves104
@nyves104 Жыл бұрын
I would like to point out that Eric does show 3 positive traits when Ariel first sees him: 1. dog lover 2. music lover and 3. ride or die for those he cares about
@justcomments
@justcomments Жыл бұрын
There’s very little good added to his character in the new remake, but the part I did appreciate was 4. He’s an explorer and likes to try new things
@AngelavengerL
@AngelavengerL Жыл бұрын
I felt he was one of the princes that had a lot more personality. Maybe not as much as Philip or the Beast but leaps better than snow white's prince.
@froregon
@froregon Жыл бұрын
Also, plays in a band, and is of the same station as Ariel. He's got a lot going for him.
@justcomments
@justcomments Жыл бұрын
@@froregon same station? They’ve always both been princess and prince, no?
@SinfulRainbow
@SinfulRainbow Жыл бұрын
​@@justcommentsin the new movie, Erik is not royalty by blood. He is adopted after being found after a shipwreck as a toddler
@hahalove47
@hahalove47 Жыл бұрын
It makes me nuts whhen i hear people say "gay people make everything about their sexuality." Are you serious? It Friends or How I Met Your Mother not completely about heterosexuality? Nah. Instead it would just be called romantically focus. Well, so are queer love stories. They're stories about love
@taylor3950
@taylor3950 Жыл бұрын
That’s a great point.
@sabrinacheek
@sabrinacheek Жыл бұрын
This!! People who say stuff like this are just admitting that *they* are hyper focused on LGBT individuals, and any appearance they make.
@ShintogaDeathAngel
@ShintogaDeathAngel Жыл бұрын
@@sabrinacheek yep, and it’s hilarious. Like, they need to get a life!
@CazAvery
@CazAvery Жыл бұрын
Absolutely minor point, but Ariel is definitely a princess and Eric is a prince, so I think their social status is pretty much the same.
@1901180108
@1901180108 Жыл бұрын
Eric's social status in his society is probably the same as Ariel's social status in hers, but it's hard to say how other humans and merpeople would have compared Ariel's and Eric's social standing. In the Andersen story, merpeople seemed to rank below humans because of their lack of immortal soul.
@aspergianstoryteller6204
@aspergianstoryteller6204 Жыл бұрын
Maybe because she's the youngest in her family whereas Eric appears to be an only child and thus immediate heir to the throne?
@adriannegentleman83
@adriannegentleman83 Жыл бұрын
also I believe her father was the son of Persidon, so she is the granddaughter of a god, so perhaps her social status is higher than Erics,
@KateCallen
@KateCallen Жыл бұрын
Yes, but neither monarchy recognises the other, so their families would each see the other as beneath them, no?
@MintyFarts
@MintyFarts Жыл бұрын
The age gap is the bigger issue here lol. Though she left her home and support systems for a foriegn place with foriegn ppl who struggle to relate to her.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
I once had someone say drag should “never” be in kids media to me. Then I asked if they’d want to get rid of the original Little Mermaid. And they were like “I said drag! What’s The Little Mermaid got to do with drag?!” and I just replied with gifs of Ursula and Divine, then muted them lol.
@Draggonny
@Draggonny Жыл бұрын
Us Brits find this whole idea of drag being sexual completely messed up. We're raised on pantomime pretty much from birth. Pantomime dames are not sexy. They're usually old guys dressed as frumpy, middle-aged women. They're a comedy act. Yes, there are adult drag acts that are completely inappropriate for children, just like any other stand-up or song and dance act may have adult words and themes. We had one of our greatest drag comedians, Lily Savage, present morning television. If they find drag queens to be too sexy for children, that's a them problem. Wearing women's clothing isn't sexual unless they make it so. Women's clothing serves the same function as men's clothing.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
@@Draggonny I totally agree. Though I’m noticing American conservative orgs are trying to change that here in the last few years… I’m not so sure how effective it will be, but they’re really trying. Occasionally, on times when I want a deeper discussion rather than just poking the hive, I’ve brought up drag usually being a comedy thing for kids over in the UK. But that usually makes them shut down completely, rather than gaining a new perspective (on how local contexts can alter the content of shows, and the content they usually see isn’t inherent to the artform). You even see that context difference in otherwise more progressive accepting sides of American political discourse too. Back around 2009, before American gay discourse had remembered trans women can be and often historically were drag queens, they were insisting any comedy act involving crossdressing was inherently transphobic. Once again, the sole context they personally saw a device used in became the only valid one in their political discussions. Though if there’s anything to be gained from that parallel (of course the goals etc were different, it’s only similar in the inductive reasoning behind it) is that these things come in fads. The American right didn’t really care about drag when they were bashing gay marriage. So hopefully this won’t be a lasting perseveration. (Not that I’m eagerly awaiting some other group being their target…)
@rainkidwell2467
@rainkidwell2467 Жыл бұрын
​@@kaitlyn__La lot of us still feel that way, are you trans?
@sdtwirix1126
@sdtwirix1126 Жыл бұрын
​@@rainkidwell2467Why, do you wanna have sex and with them? Cause like, that's a really weird way to ask that.
@SgtKaneGunlock
@SgtKaneGunlock 4 ай бұрын
@@Draggonny yeah a good third of Monty python skits have at least one of them dress in drag
@wrenofwvnds
@wrenofwvnds Жыл бұрын
there’s also a theory that hans christian andersen was autistic which contributes to this idea of ariel being a metaphor for passing or masking p.s u can still fall in love if ur asexual :)
@elsakristina2689
@elsakristina2689 Жыл бұрын
I’m autistic myself and from what I’ve read and heard I do believe Andersen was autistic. Especially in the early years of his fame and career it seems like a lot of people who knew and met him saw him as really awkward and forward and blunt and childlike but there’s nothing wrong with being those things.
@freddie.spaghetti
@freddie.spaghetti Жыл бұрын
as a queer and autistic danish person who very much grew up with his stories, i love the possibility that one of the most celebrated historical figures in my country may have been like me in a lot of ways
@elsakristina2689
@elsakristina2689 Жыл бұрын
@@freddie.spaghetti I know the feeling (I feel the same way about Queen Kristina of Sweden even though I'm not Swedish), I hope it helps people see us more positively and really grasp that there's nothing wrong with any of it.
@hannahryan3229
@hannahryan3229 Жыл бұрын
I love how you explained this because merpeople to me have always been a big part of my life! My mom never understood why a neighbor friend of mine couldn't see little mermaid until I got older and heard her tell me "well they didn't like the fact of the gay propaganda in it, same reason she couldn't watch Tellietubbies! It's honestly ridiculous!" That same girl is shunned by her family for being a lesbian and I am her pan pal who helps her occasionally with cooking because uh this girl before I started helping could screw up rice and pasta! Anyway love you and hugs to all!
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
@rorycharlesworthington
@rorycharlesworthington Жыл бұрын
as a trans guy, i adore the little mermaid and all the deep, queer backstory behind it. i'd love to, one day, play a male version of ariel in the stage show. like keep everything else the same, but it's explicitly gay now.
@manaash4316
@manaash4316 Жыл бұрын
The Little Mermaid was MY MOVIE growing up. Like, I would watch it, sing along, and rewind over and over and over and then it was conveniently "lost" by my siblings in a move. And I watched this one early with my mom in theater, the very first showing we could get. I cried. It was everything I'd ever wanted. This makes it even better. ❤and it makes me very happy that young Black girls get that same experience of Ariel.
@samiam2088
@samiam2088 Жыл бұрын
Don’t underestimate the importance of BoDy LaNgUaGe!!
@lianasophie
@lianasophie Жыл бұрын
I love hearing about the original stories of what were likely our favourite films growing up. The dark themes and undertones make it all the more relatable and captivating to us now.
@lrfcowper
@lrfcowper Жыл бұрын
I can remember being quite confused when Disney announced they were doing Hercules, since his labors started because he murdered his entire family -- wife and children -- in a fit of insanity. Definitely not family friendly fare, unless you're the Addams Family.
@jerrihadding2534
@jerrihadding2534 Жыл бұрын
Jessica, I love you, Claudia and Rupert! We are blessed that you exist. A 74 year old American bi whose entire adult life has been a challenge of asserting my identity.
@victoria4671
@victoria4671 Жыл бұрын
I think the ending to Anderson's version meant that you could end the relationship- kill the prince and have him out of your life- or stay friends, which may be painful but will worth it in the end.
@thiadesg
@thiadesg Жыл бұрын
I've always seen the original Little Mermaid tale to be about "sometimes you're attracted/in love with someone and they don't feel the same way, no matter what you do for them", aka "Don't change yourself for love", but your interpretations are very interesting too.
@ReySkywalker-cs3re
@ReySkywalker-cs3re Жыл бұрын
In the live action version they cut out the song that the French chef sings about fish😔
@niamhl6964
@niamhl6964 Жыл бұрын
One of my favourite songs (makes me cry EVERY. TIME.) is Sheridan Square by Howard Ashman. It was never formally released, the recording on Spotify is only a demo, but it is the most heartbreaking song about the AIDS crisis. Howard Ashman was such a talent. His contributions to animated musicals cannot be understated, we wouldn't have most of the absolute bangers in the Disney discography if he hadn't basically invented the 'I Want' song with Alan Menken.
@Jo-sg8qb
@Jo-sg8qb Жыл бұрын
Funny, I as a queer person saw the queerness of the story as soon as it was read to me as a child. Also, the ugly duckling, come on. But nobody believed me it was about queer peole. Now I can just link them your video. ❤
@niencat
@niencat Жыл бұрын
The ugly duckling very much spoke to me as a hetero little girl. I stood out in my family and it felt very uncomfortable because my siblings were jealous, and I was awkward at school in social situations. At 58 i was diagnosed with high functioning autism. As a child, teenager and young adult I often felt lonely. I thought of myself as being normal, like other people, but others did not, apparently, based on their reactions. Stories can have many layers, as is also pointed out in Jessica's video about the little mermaid.
@freddie.spaghetti
@freddie.spaghetti Жыл бұрын
yess the ugly duckling always spoke to me as a queer autistic kid who didn’t know i was either of those things, so i just thought i was weird and different and that there was something wrong with me
@robinhahnsopran
@robinhahnsopran Жыл бұрын
I literally can't find words enough to express how much I love this. Disney? Queerness? Discussion of Howard Ashman?! This video is for me! ✨
@kathybramley5609
@kathybramley5609 Жыл бұрын
"Woke" - originally from black US English for political consciousness - has become a straight up slur, if being black is the target. But you ask people and they struggle to define it, unless they define it truer to the original meaning.
@marianneshepherd6286
@marianneshepherd6286 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jessica, as a fan of a metal, Mermaid Corpse would definitely be an amazing band name!!! I used to watch the 1971 reader's digest animation film on the Little Mermaid (it's completely faithful to the original story). Jon Solo does an interesting video on The Little Mermaid, and can there be some feminist elements to the original story.
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine in a year there is a chart topping song by Mermaid Corpse?!!
@juliannehannes11
@juliannehannes11 Жыл бұрын
It's also speaks towards dissability, I loved the movie as a kid because being deaf until I was five and back then labeled "communitively handicap" I identified with her losing her voice and not being understood
@TransGuyShane
@TransGuyShane Жыл бұрын
I'm here super early so haven't gotten far into the video yet but I love the title and would 1000% be down for more of these videos , like , is mulan gayer than you think? (Yes because 1 she saved China while binding and is a trans icon to me and 2 shang totally wanted to bone mulan when she was a dude and 3 they all do drag by the end of the movie) ♡♡ Also happy pride month everyone It might be hard right now but we gotta stay visible and stand together ♡
@jilliank6379
@jilliank6379 Жыл бұрын
One of the animators said he suggested the line “Ping, if you were a girl I’d kiss you” for Li Shang
@TransGuyShane
@TransGuyShane Жыл бұрын
@@jilliank6379 totally should have had that in there ♡ Genuinely my favourite animated movie ever 😍
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
I think Mulan is pretty gay, not sure if it can be gayer than I think! 😁🌈
@TransGuyShane
@TransGuyShane Жыл бұрын
@@jennifers5560 we can always make something gayer 😂
@kmxbmx
@kmxbmx Жыл бұрын
Yes! Even when I was a junior queer, the sexual tension between Shang & boy drag Mulan was palpable. I never saw the live action version bc Disney filmed in the same province as the Uyghur re-education camps and literally thanked the provincial government, but that’s a whoooole other conversation…
@IllyDragonfly
@IllyDragonfly Жыл бұрын
I don't like most remakes of famous Disney movies because they are a lot CGI and nothing new is added to the plot, but I did appreciate the variety in skintones of the characters... also makes sense the merpeople were queer because they are half fishes and many fishes can change gender depending on certain conditions
@TwistedGlitter
@TwistedGlitter Жыл бұрын
I grew up hating pink and "girly" things due to my parents demanding I like that stuff JUST because I'm a girl. It took until adulthood and finding aesthetics I like to realize I don't actually hate it. I just hate being told I have to like it.
@beyond-the-night
@beyond-the-night Жыл бұрын
And to think that Ariel and Mulan have always been my absolute favorite Disney princesses XD. I've always loved mermaids (but that probably started with the movie as well.) It's crazy how these things can end up relating to us later in life in ways we didn't necessarily even notice originally. (I mean this all in a good way.)
@savyjett
@savyjett Жыл бұрын
Yes voice actors! Nothing pulls me out of a story like hearing a voice i associate with another character from something entirely different, or just a voice that is highly recognizable itself.
@BeatriceKirkman-vp8yp
@BeatriceKirkman-vp8yp Жыл бұрын
Hello how are you today
@writethepath8354
@writethepath8354 Жыл бұрын
Not to super defend Eric or anything, but 1) dog-lover, big points, often closely tied to general animal lover which can indicate a) compassion or b) misanthropy 2) flautist; see Terry Crews I guess 3) sailor --> should be able to tie knots Eta, 4) when Ariel manages the cart jump, he takes a hint, kicks back and enjoys the ride
@catherine-eggallergyinmd
@catherine-eggallergyinmd Жыл бұрын
Girl you should've given us grab some tissues warning 😭. Very beautiful breakdown and you look lovely just like Ariel in her pink ball gown. I hope your family enjoys the live action movie.
@lauramathews3151
@lauramathews3151 Жыл бұрын
Eagerly awaiting Mulan. And Li Shang's bi/ pan identity crisis. This Ping guy makes me crazy. I really like this guy Ping. Why am I so into this guy Ping?What does that mean about me? Wait Ping isn't a guy...Ping's a girl?!?! Do I still like Ping? What does that mean about me? I do still like Ping... I wanna pursue Ping. The question is did Li Shang think he liked boys until Ping turned out to be Mulan... or did he think he like girls until this guy Ping came along and was coming to terms with that, and then was blindsided that Ping is actually Mulan.... so he's bi/PANicking and Mulan could be genderfluid or NB....
@jennag7650
@jennag7650 Жыл бұрын
The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin all have the same theme of people who are “not supposed to” be together…
@youtubeuserremainsanonymou9022
@youtubeuserremainsanonymou9022 Жыл бұрын
A point I hear in favor of the new one. Eric has a personality that clicks with Ariel's well now. All the sea creatures were screwed with CGI but the mermaids and Eric sound like they are handled well.
@HorizonOfHope
@HorizonOfHope Жыл бұрын
Hans Christian-Anderson likely wrote this story as an allegory for his own life as a gay man unable to love openly. 😢
@HOHNancy
@HOHNancy Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed learning the history of Hans Christian Anderson and “The Little Mermaid”. Thank you, Jessica! 😊
@gracelarmee
@gracelarmee Жыл бұрын
I love Jessica's videos where she makes me rethink movies I haven't watched since I was little and truly dive into the full story behind them
@hatsterical2475
@hatsterical2475 Жыл бұрын
My take as a small kid from the original hans christian andersen ending of the little mermaid was that she was meant to kill the guy, but couldn't bare to, since she could see he was happy. She didn't want to ruin that for him, so her only choice was to drop into the water, and become seafoam; I saw this as a self sacrifice, that was then rewarded by angels, and so in the stories language, it was then the right thing to do. In retrospect, I believe that this can be read as a queer person seeing their friend they love is happy, and metaphorically stepping back to allow them that happiness. The killing is maybe less a literal idea that Hans Christian Andersen had maybe cross his mind, but if this is all a metaphor for the love he may have held for his friend, he saw the act of trying to gain his love as forcing his friend to be something he is not, and so he felt he had to step back, and not live how he truly wanted, I.E maybe to be together with his friend. The story from there can then be read as the love was sinful or something, but I don't think it's that narrow? Who knows. What I tend to read it as personally, is a person had an imagined choice of being with their friend, but realised that one person would be unhappy either way (if the friend participated in some relationship or did not) and decided that they would be the person to be unhappy, so that their friend could live how they wanted.
@scilines
@scilines Жыл бұрын
“Vintage pink puffball” 😅😂
@BryonyClaire
@BryonyClaire Жыл бұрын
The little mermaid is my fav Disney movie, always has been, and the 2010's "hot takes" overlook so much that made the story special, and i love the original story too! Thank you for making this video, Howard Ashman was such an influential person, and if people haven't watched the documentaries on him or seen his other work, i implore you to
@TheoRae8289
@TheoRae8289 Жыл бұрын
So, uh, when I got into The Little Mermaid when I was younger, I can definitely point at her as my first queer crush. I wanted to be the one Ariel had fallen in love with because she wouldn't have had to worry about not meeting the 3-day deadline. Fast forward 30 years and I'm on testosterone and genderless. 😅
@LifeguardOutofWater
@LifeguardOutofWater Жыл бұрын
This topic is so important! But I have to say: Two seconds into the video and I immediately said OMG about that gorgeous pink dress. So wonderful! Thank you for talking about this and for showing us amazing fashion at the same time!
@Efryd
@Efryd Жыл бұрын
I am literally at the moment finishing up my master's thesis on lesbian mermaid literature! And one of the novels I'm writing about is a retelling of the Little Mermaid (the Mermaids Daughter by Ann Claycomb - highly recommend)
@sabrinacheek
@sabrinacheek Жыл бұрын
I'm really happy someone made a video about this! I've been telling every person I know about this stuff for the longest time.
@tigerwolf2243
@tigerwolf2243 Жыл бұрын
When I was a teen in the 2000s, I remember being surprised to learn that my mom was opposed to gay marriage, because she liked movies like The Little Mermaid, who's message so obviously seemed to be that it doesn't matter what's below the waist when it comes to love. Hell, Beauty and the Beast, her favorite movie, is a romance between a human and non-human.
@victoriabungart4330
@victoriabungart4330 Жыл бұрын
The Little Mermaid has always meant so much to me because it's about a girl breaking away from what her family wants and going after what she wants instead. That's been my whole life because I've had to live according to my parents standards (and often abuse) for years, and I'd give anything for my parents to have a change of heart like Triton 😭 the live action film is my favorite Disney live action and I'd wager that it's better than the original film 🥰🥰 I'm so in love with everything, the music, the scenery, the acting, the added bits to the story. It's so beautiful ❤ Thank you for this video 😊
@TheBethaiable
@TheBethaiable Жыл бұрын
Having read all H. C. Andersons original stories, i understand why they changed them for kids XD
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
So gruesome!
@niencat
@niencat Жыл бұрын
I read the stories as a kid, because i loved fairytales and was a member of a public library. I read them between age 8 and 12, in compilations of fairytales by different writers or found them i a series of books called Winter Book and which i got for my birthday or Santa Claus day (6 december) as a present. Santa Claus day is very much celebrated here esp in families with children. We had no tradition of giving Christmas presents here in the Netherlands, until the late 1980s, when under the influence of the many USA movies and series the giving of presents at Christmas became a thing. Also, many households had much more money to spend than the generations before. They were not that gruesome, i was used to the tales by the Grimm brothers, but found them very very sad. Written by a poetic gentle soul. The story of the mermaid did not affect me much, i found her silly to try to change for such a superficial person, but i thought the end was a comfort. To turn into sea foam was such a beautiful notion for me. I believe in a very loving Be-ing, Superpower, Force, and if in the original story ending the mermaid entered heaven, then that would have felt as very right and normal and as a fact to my child world view.
@andreakoroknai1071
@andreakoroknai1071 Жыл бұрын
So, the 1989 Little Mermaid was the first movie I ever saw in a theater, it's also like one of my earliest memorie, absolutely loved it as a kid and in my teens I read Clarissa Pinkola Estes' Women Who Run with the Wolves and in it she talks about how the original moral of the story was lost in the Disney movie and I kind of felt, yes, that's accurate as I'd struggled in trying so hard to be "good" for others and losing myself in the process. I'm interested to hear this take on the movie
@ashmac87
@ashmac87 Жыл бұрын
When I was little, The Little Mermaid was one of my favorite movies! I think that's why I keep coloring my hair red, too. I'm so glad that it's queer!
@psychobiddy
@psychobiddy Жыл бұрын
I love all of Jessica's content, but her video essays are my favorite. It's so nice to see a video essay where the creator and/or narrator looks genuinely excited about the topic. I hope we'll see more of these in the future.
@Max-ww6uj
@Max-ww6uj Жыл бұрын
Princess Merida from Brave would be a great queer analysis? I was always so drawn to the whole "change your faith" thing and I mean she was not interested in marriage at all... but was she lgbt? I never found the answer! For me she is, as she is the symbol of being brave to come out :)
@dinosaurs_rule
@dinosaurs_rule Жыл бұрын
I love that!! I've personally always thought about Merida as an aroace icon :)
@Max-ww6uj
@Max-ww6uj Жыл бұрын
@@dinosaurs_rule yeah that's what I thought of too! would be interesting to see if there are any clues that could confirm she is :)
@dinosaurs_rule
@dinosaurs_rule Жыл бұрын
@@Max-ww6uj it really would be! It's honestly one of my favoutite disney films, I love the ones that aren't just centered around finding a prince
@ookamiblade6318
@ookamiblade6318 Жыл бұрын
@@dinosaurs_rulebonus points for being an archery pun 🏹♠︎
@dinosaurs_rule
@dinosaurs_rule Жыл бұрын
@@ookamiblade6318 it wasn't even intentional, but I shall gladly accept said bonus points :D
@DoranGale
@DoranGale Жыл бұрын
The mermaid’s refusal to kill could be interpreted as acknowledgment that being queer was considered a mortal sin by so many at the time-she recognizes that going any further would be wrong and gives up, earning salvation. But she spends all those centuries serving in purgatory! Yeah, I think that’s how the writer regarded the rest of his life and the heteronormative masquerade he’d never escape.
@louise102nd
@louise102nd Жыл бұрын
He has an amazing musical ear as he's able to instantly recreate the song he heard while half drowned
@MagnoliaPantherWoman
@MagnoliaPantherWoman Жыл бұрын
Great video. I enjoy people's history and you're so good at telling it. I didn't know any of this before, and knowing makes the movies much more meaningful. Now I want to rewatch them. 😀
@jennifers5560
@jennifers5560 Жыл бұрын
Right? Now that you have all this new info, you want to watch it with all this mind.
@HotDogTimeMachine385
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy hearing history like this! Thank you Jessica!
@rainygreymornings
@rainygreymornings Жыл бұрын
Jessica, this video is SO GOOD! As I queer literary scholar, I respect the work you’re doing here so much. The nuance. The research. Fantastic. ✨
@MintyFarts
@MintyFarts Жыл бұрын
I want to aloe point out how Ariel is Autistic coded. When I was a child I was OBSESSED with her and saw so much of myself in her. Now I'm finally diagnosed as an adult and a scientist with collections and special interests lol
@JuMixBoox
@JuMixBoox Жыл бұрын
What an awesome, well researched video!
@dannieden5049
@dannieden5049 Жыл бұрын
Great episode! I can't wait see the one on Mulan!
@Bookwormscififan
@Bookwormscififan Жыл бұрын
This was interesting!! I’d like to see what you have to say about the 1998 adaptation of the Little Mermaid, which had one song that was about trash polluting the ocean That’s the one my sister and I grew up watching
@figmo397
@figmo397 Жыл бұрын
Re: HC Andersen being gay, it's sad that he was unable to enjoy a healthy relationship with a man out in the open. I'd have to see his letters to better judge whether he was gay or a latent transexual woman (also possible). I love your analysis of the story, given what we know about HC Andersen. It sounds like a Master's thesis topic. Heck, if you have a bachelor's degree, you could do that yourself! I also agree with your opinion of Pat Carroll, who was WONDERFUL and highly underrated. Apparently she was just as nice in RL as she was great as a performer. I sat next to someone who worked for her at a recording session at a comedy club in 1980, and he only had good stuff to say about her.
@charlotteee22
@charlotteee22 Жыл бұрын
i think that why i hated these movies with princesses so much as a child is because i was forced to watch them and if i didn’t want to it was ‘not girly’ i didn’t wanna do ‘girly’ things i liked playing with my brothers hot wheels. every christmas i would ask people to please get me remote control cars, toy cars, sports equipment, and more ‘boy’ things years in a row. (and my birthday) the only people who got me that stuff were my parents otherwise i would just got dolls and typical ‘girl’ stuff. at one point this stuff was so forced apon me where i wanted a cinderella remote control carriage. those i doubt exist, i knew i didn’t actually want one but my brothers never let me play with their stuff. you know, that’s a pretty sick thing to do to a young girl. in second grade i wanted a pair of boy shoes with like blues, orange, black, because they only sold light up pink, purple, and narrow small shoes. my parents allowed me to get some and i loved them. why are we forceing stuff on kids like that? my twin brother would wear my ana, elsa and ariel dress and wigs and i would play with his cars. who cares, it’s a child aren’t they supposed to love that kind of stuff?
@dark_baphomet
@dark_baphomet Жыл бұрын
Melissa McCarthy was amazing as Úrsula, I’m not a fan of hers so I wasn’t sure what to expect but she blew me away, she was entirely perfect as Úrsula and played the character perfectly
@HelennaRose
@HelennaRose Жыл бұрын
Wow I forgot I read the original story!! Thank you for helping my recollection. All of these old fairy tales were quite dark.
@carmuranO3O
@carmuranO3O Жыл бұрын
I love you so much Jessica. In the name of humanity, thank you for this video ❤
@kaz555
@kaz555 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving me new respect and love for my favourite Disney film.
@Waterflame
@Waterflame Жыл бұрын
Can someone tag me if/when the captions get fixed? They're currently showing up as a huge lump in the first second, and cutting off everything but the last few minutes, which is completely unhelpful.
@marieonishenko
@marieonishenko Жыл бұрын
Love this video. Your content always makes me feel good and informed.
@varvara9624
@varvara9624 Жыл бұрын
A minor detail but - Victorian values in Denmark? I am not so sure about that. Andersen was christian after all, and Denmark was quite different from England to call it "victorian"
@esthermeyerhoff4113
@esthermeyerhoff4113 Жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up with the original animated films, I also don't want a scene for scene remake of the original. I want something new and fresh. A different take on the story. If I wanted the same story I would watch the original.
@BearWomanWisdom
@BearWomanWisdom Жыл бұрын
In my little queer polyamorous heart, Hans got his happy ending with the Collins as a triad and that’s why they stayed ‘friends’ after they had to get married and were ultimately buried together. It was also historically plausible that a gay/bi man would marry a woman as society deemed socially expected/acceptable (especially a high society man) but had male lovers and Vice versa.
@_paige_adelle_
@_paige_adelle_ Жыл бұрын
Wow! I loved hearing so much about the history of this tale! Thank you Jessica for making this video! It was fascinating 😊
@Nyx_chaos18
@Nyx_chaos18 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never clicked something so fast I’m my life this will from now on be how I look at the little mermaid because I’m non-binary and I do feel like Ariel
@leannverhoff3572
@leannverhoff3572 Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I stumbled upon on your channel! I’ve learned so much since finding it.
@lexshizumdot2115
@lexshizumdot2115 5 ай бұрын
I have watched this movie so many times because I used to work at a movie theater. Than you for your video, and the good memories it brought back
@lauratukey3584
@lauratukey3584 Жыл бұрын
I haven't seen many of your videos in my newsfeed lately and then I saw this one and was delighted now I'm going to have to go and see what I've missed
@zebraskin
@zebraskin Жыл бұрын
I had the Katsumata version of little mermaid, which she does die at the end; but what my little queer self loved is that the mermaids were topless.
@cassierobertson5778
@cassierobertson5778 Жыл бұрын
I will die on the hill that her hair is NOT red. That's my biggest complaint. (Although what they did to poor Flounder should be a shunnable offense.)
@UntitledWorkInProgress
@UntitledWorkInProgress Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if perhaps the part about ending the prince’s life to become a mermaid again could’ve been a metaphor for the pressure to ‘kill’ the queer part of yourself and conform to CisHet society, especially the families who offer to take you back in if you fit in with that society since it was her sisters who presented that option to her. It also seems like the rejection of that option and that the mermaid does eventually gain a soul after a long period in purgatory could be a metaphor for choosing freedom even though it’s a difficult path to venture, and that everyone is worthy of heaven or a happily ever after despite whatever phobic nonsense some awful ppl spew.
@Lady_Eleven
@Lady_Eleven Жыл бұрын
With the original version of the fairy tale I sort of see the "killing the prince to go back to being a mermaid" thing as a sort of... transformation of the purpose of the prince from being literally the love interest to metaphorically embodying the love itself; if a man in love with another man can "kill" the love in his heart, he could go back to "passing." But clearly, Hans rejects this both in his real life and for his little mermaid and instead continues to embrace the love, unrequited as it is. That little mermaid's refusal to sacrifice her love for her own good is proof that the love itself is beyond reproach; it is good, and true, and she is made better and truer for bearing it, even though it hurts. Even if no one understands her pain or her love. I would go so far as to say I even see this turning the final part on its head a bit - the little mermaid only gets the chance for a human soul because she chose love. She may not get exactly what she wished for, but God himself recognizes her as deserving (even if he does make her work for it a while longer), and at the end of her journey, long and painful though it might be, she is fully realized as human, fully entitled to the bliss of heaven. Perhaps Hans' own friendship with his unrequited love was similar - painful, yet still a blessing, his friendship proof of the depth and truth of his love, a love so strong and selfless that all involved were made better for it. He didn't perhaps get what he wanted, except in that he wanted his friend to be happy and to know he was loved, and to be the truest friend he knew to be to someone who meant so much to him. And while he probably did not know it at the time, in the end his wish is granted too, and in a way he is with his love forever. He refused to let the pain of his romantic rejection tarnish the beauty of his love, and that in itself is beautiful. That's my read anyway. I have actually read the fairy tale but it's been a while and I wasn't as aware of the queer subtext at the time. Beyond that, I had actually already encountered the idea of reading it as an allegory for queerness to some degree, because of the author, but you did actually teach me ways the Disney version is queer that I hadn't known! I always had a vague like for the movie, and the criticisms never totally sat well with me although I was never a "princess girl." But the way you speak about it has definitely greatly increased my appreciation for what it accomplishes and what it represents. ETA: "She's fallen in love with an animated representation for the idea of freedom." YES thank you for this, that is Eric's entire purpose and that is ok.
@MariannesStudio
@MariannesStudio Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I knew about the author's queerness but NOT about the movies queerness :')
@Aemirys
@Aemirys Жыл бұрын
Ooh can't wait for you to do Mulan!
@Charles-js3ri
@Charles-js3ri Жыл бұрын
As the great former KZbin essayist Lindsey Ellis said. "You can queer anything." That being said, I see the point. Fun video!
@FunFilmFare
@FunFilmFare Жыл бұрын
I think Hans Christian Anderson is like Liz Kessler. Both wrote very queer-coded mermaid stories (The Little Mermaid/The Tail of Emily Windsnap), about mermaids trying to pass as human and in forbidden love with humans. Except Kessler is openly queer, and straight up admits the queer influence on her story 🏳‍🌈 (@00:20-@00:36 The Ariel casting controversy reminds me of a childhood incident. When I fancasted Liz Kessler's story, people hated me suggesting Antonio Banderas as the merman Jake, and instead suggested White/Anglo actors instead. Guess mermaids can’t be Hispanic. Being Hispanic myself you can imagine how I felt about that. I bet those same haters started #NotMyAriel.)
@zizalka99
@zizalka99 Жыл бұрын
I love love love this video! I need so many more on other animated movies!
@VintageDarkCrystal
@VintageDarkCrystal Жыл бұрын
Excellent points! You are always so insightful. I really appreciate that. And I love that dress!
@Jiddy12345
@Jiddy12345 Жыл бұрын
Friend of mine wrote a play about exactly this. Different friend got to direct the play and is friends with Andersen's descendants who let him read his letters.
@Stella-dj8rg
@Stella-dj8rg Жыл бұрын
Ursula especially was very queer coded in the original movie. Like hello? Drag queen? Is that why she was kicked out of the palace?? They just couldn’t handle how fabulous she was???
@jonjamesminer
@jonjamesminer Жыл бұрын
You look fabulous! But I got real distracted by the vpl on the book cover for My Dear Boy....
@keepcalmandslitheron9115
@keepcalmandslitheron9115 Жыл бұрын
10:53 so excited for the Mulan deep dive (coming hopefully soon!)
@MlleMab
@MlleMab Жыл бұрын
Ariel Herself Is Rainbow in the new film !!! She has every color !
@Arthera0
@Arthera0 Жыл бұрын
Well one thing I cant wrap my head around is sometimes people are ok with race swapping/gender bending existing characters and sometimes they are against it. i honestly don't care which one people chose but either be ok with all of the characters possibly be race swapped/gender bend or non at all. although when its about non fictional character I feel like changing major characteristics is highly offensive.
@astridmyst
@astridmyst Жыл бұрын
I love learning all about movies and how actually gay media was. It's kinda funny learning more about it bcause I watched the little mermaid so much and it was my favorite movie as a kid, 1 because I love redheads, and 2 because I love mermaids. I was just a lil queer kid watching a queer movie without knowing either of those things XD It is also interesting that my #1 favorite princess, who I watched the movies for over and over again somehow even more than The Little Mermaid, was Mulan.
@soulfoodsmama2980
@soulfoodsmama2980 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I appreciate your work! Eagerly waiting for the Mulan is bisexual AF video 🖤
@DoeiDenise
@DoeiDenise Жыл бұрын
You did amazing research ❤
@mothman5756
@mothman5756 Жыл бұрын
This isn't really related to the video at all, but I've been texting a girl the while watching this, and we keep making each other blush AHH
@mikakestudios5891
@mikakestudios5891 Жыл бұрын
Any good story had multiple interpretations. But. The idea of Hans Christian Anderson being in an asexual polycule is sparking up my brain something fierce.
@scilines
@scilines Жыл бұрын
Wow, interesting facts about Hans C Andersen. 😊
@lilywashere27
@lilywashere27 Жыл бұрын
I actually found your channel via the queer coding video! So happy I've stayed
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