The LONGEVITY of Dreamcatcher (the appeal of ...)

[@ondazboy]

the fact they initially debuted in 2014 and are still here making comebacks and touring coming from a small company says so much, love them for this

[@cloudchungxiao]

Exactly. Really one of the few rare groups to do this.

[@jamescurfman3284]

Agreed. There really are not many Third-Gen groups that are still active (and of course even fewer Second-Gen). DC is an anomaly in several ways now.

[@DreamWalker-113]

I am an insomnia since 2017, one thing that is rarely discussed outside of the fandom is the fact that: 1) They have a big chunk of fans that are not K-pop fans, in the beginning, I would argue they were way more, even myself I delved more into k-pop bc of them, same for other metal and rock fans. People outside of K-pop very often stick with artists that make good music, as long as the music remains good, fans will not abandon them. This gives them a very big longevity advantage. 2) They have a a lot (vast majority) of adult fans, fans that can support them with money and not just exposure etc etc. Another huge advantage. These two are some things, that are not commented on very often but the truth of the matter is that were keys to their success imo. As for their future, if they keep the music good, they will continue to have success.

[@PongoXBongo]

As an older fan myself that went from listening to rock to listening to k-pop, I wholeheartedly agree. Most k-pop groups target teenagers (not unlike Western pop artists) and those fans eventurally grow up and leave k-pop behind. Many street interviews with Koreans have shown that once they reach college age, listening to k-pop becomes something of an embarrassment. Whereas with Dreamcatcher, they've managed to reach multi-generational fans (kids into k-pop with parents into rock, and even grandparents). I think it helps too, in the Western market esp., that they aren't a "standard" cute, colorful k-pop group. They look more mature, sound more mature, and have a more "serious" concept and message in their music. _(No hate toward other girl groups, btw. I have "Banana Allergy Monkey" right alongside "Bonvoyage" on my playlist.)_

[@grayjack5021]

@@PongoXBongo I couldn't said it better myself! I am a rock, metal, and now K-Pop (aka Dreamcatcher)! Dreamcatcher = Dream Team!

[@yuucola4145]

eeeyyyy, I'm an Insomnia since 2017 too, and I totally agree with point 2) I'd also like to add that having a large percentage of adult fans really contributes to the maturity of our fanbase. If you’ve noticed, we don’t get involved in fan wars very often. We don’t throw hate at other groups or compare our sisters to others ( I call them "sisters" since I’m a bit younger than them, hehe ). This has resulted in our fanbase not being as toxic as some others with younger audiences. One of the best things about being an Insomnia is that THERE'S NO OT1 STANNING, which is rare. I’ve seen younger groups (won’t mention names) where fans fight over whose bias is better. To be honest, back in the day, Insomnias did have a brief phase like that, arguing over whether Siyeon was better than Yoohyeon or Sua better than JiU vocally. But that was ages ago. Today, our fanbase is much more mature, and we support all the members equally. I believe Insomnias are a big part of why Dreamcatcher has had such longevity. Having a chill, supportive, humble, and non-toxic fanbase must make the members feel appreciated and motivated to keep going. You can tell from their reactions that they genuinely love us.

[@PongoXBongo]

@@yuucola4145 Indeed. I watch a lot of k-pop reactions and _so many_ channels have thanked InSomnias for their love and support. They speak of us much the same way we speak of Deukae. It's a virtuous cycle in Dreamworld.

[@Haerinmato]

I’m also an insomnia since 2017 and what you said I 100% agree with they also made me get more into kpop

[@spiralwarrior6569]

I believe a big factor for Dreamcatcher's continued success is that they were able to attract fans like me. I'm an old metalhead. By the way, the CEO did not only re-debut them after Minx failed (I dare to say every other company would have disbanded them), he also admitted that Minx' failure was the company's fault and had nothing to do with the girls. I'm not certain, but this usually does not happen.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, they really targeted a niche audience that didn't really have options to kinda pivot and so it helped them establish a core fanbase easier. As for Minx, didn't realise he admitted it was a failure failure. I thought he just recognised the oversaturation and decided to pivot but yes, that's pretty rare to hear.

[@momomomo__]

i think one crucial thing that often gets overlooked when talking about their longevity is that their main audience, specially in their earlier years, were rock and metal fans. they managed to get popular and stay popular because of the sound they chose to adopt, which gave them a very wide array of fans, from metal and rock fans, to kpop fans. I don't think they would have managed it with a different type of sound honestly, because they really benefited from this variety. they came from a smaller company with less resources to have constant comebacks or high budget tours, so they really played their cards right by finding the niche where less is often more. we're completely unbothered by a lot of things that would make kpop fans drop a group. I got into them, and then kpop in general, in 2017-2018 and I was (and still am) a rock and metal listener at my core. I was honestly shocked at the amount of comebacks, while still keeping the quality up, even if they were considered sparse in kpop standards. we're used to waiting so long for music. I remember waiting 7 years for an album at one point. a 4 year break between releases is pretty standard in alternative spaces. I think that helped dreamcatcher keep their audience in their earlier years, when their comebacks were less frequent. we weren't expecting a comeback twice a year, because we're used to waiting years between albums. as long as the music is good, we'll wait for a release. it also helps that most people outside kpop, specially in the rock and metal communities, don't immediately drop a group or a band because of a single release we may not like as much. any metalhead who's willing to get into a kpop group will give genre mash ups and experimental music a chance, and dreamcatcher brought something new to the table. the kpop song structure, mixed with synthpop and jrock was something new we were excited to see, and it set the tone for how willing dreamcatcher were to mix up their sound. this makes it so they can experiment with their music while keeping their fanbase, as long as the rock influences are still there. Lastly, their ability to hype up a crowd really appeals to us. their concerts don't feel too choreographed or planned. this isn't a dig at other groups who put on heavily planned shows btw, but the way the girls go on stage, just have fun and perform with no big sets or big shows is something that really appeals to metal and rock fans and helps dreamcatcher save quite a bit of money on tours. their company played their cards perfectly because they realised who their main audience was and what we wanted matched with what they could deliver.

[@Kazzeoxx]

You are lucky to have experienced their concert

[@cloudchungxiao]

Great point actually. Especially within western artists, there really are long breaks in-between eras so having someone like Dreamcatcher within the kpop industry who releases more frequent then the other western artists; the rock and metal fans care relatively constantly fed well. As for the rock and metal fandom culture; that's pretty dope and really different from kpop fandom culture. It's a lot of groups being moved around your bias list so the fact that they still stay relatively committed to the group helps with the whole longevity of the group too.

[@PongoXBongo]

I watch a lot of reaction videos on YT (I think I might have a problem, lol) and Dreamcatcher has _by far_ one of the most diverse audience of fans. Everything from k-pop "haters", to boy group stans, to grey-haired metalheads. And they don't just buy the albums. They watch fanmade content, DC vlogs and performance videos, read the Wiki profiles, analyze the song lyrics, and more. The depth of the fandom is just as fascinating as the breadth of it.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Oh for sure. The strength of Dreamcatcher does seem to come from the fanbase they have cultivated which has a stronger sense of support for the group. I feel like the proportion of Insomnia to general public that support or views them seems to lean more in the Insomnia side.

[@veen-a2092]

One word that is being forgotten over the past decade is AUTHENTICITY, having your own vibe,your own style,your own unique taste,visal and sound and only starting this year that we are finally starting to appriciate authentic artist like Sabrina who always have done bubble gum girly dance pop in her own unique way,Charlie xcx club party girl,Chapel with her avant-garde glam etc...art and story is not a sprint but a marathon and a lot of rinse and repeat image that the industry is pushing is taking its toll you just can only run so far with a sprint energy eventually dies down while you ran a marathon people get to know you your will to fight,to see it to the end, the passion you tell those stories along the way and it became more rewarding as time goes by...that is what authenticity is in this day and age

[@yuucola4145]

The decline of many K-pop groups can often be attributed to drastic changes in their musical style. Many groups shift from one sound to another in an attempt to "try different things," but in reality, they are merely chasing trends. Dreamcatcher, however, stands out by consistently maintaining their signature rock sound and image from debut until now. This consistency has allowed them to attract new fans while retaining their existing ones. A similar example is the group WINNER, who, like Dreamcatcher, may not be a massive sensation but have managed to sustain their career by sticking to their distinct sound. In K-pop, a group doesn't necessarily need a "mega hit" or an enormous fanbase to succeed. What truly matters is having a loyal group of fans who will continue to support them. While I do want Dreamcatcher to gain more recognition, I actually hope they avoid having a huge hit song. I've seen many smaller groups rise quickly with one big hit, only to fade away or disband shortly after. For Dreamcatcher, I believe their steady, step-by-step climb to success is the best path forward. Even if they don’t reach the very top, staying within a safe zone is still a solid achievement.

[@winter_metal]

@@yuucola4145 true! for me DC seems so authentic doing their things! no trying to be "top of the top" and pretending "we are the only one" but just being so lowkey showing real talent and passion!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I think the difference between your examples and kpop in general is that the western artists also write their music while infusing the genres they prefer. For Dreamcatcher, their distinction of the rock genre is what is seen as "authentic" for the groups image which is where the appreciation can come from. Whether this is actually their vibes if they were to personally release their own music on their free will might be a different story. However, it's the fact they have not really trend chased by completely switching up their concept or musical sound completely that makes it seem more legit.

[@Nicolesid1]

To add to the rock and horror, start making them stand out was their choreography. It has always been strong and intricate. So happy they skipped out on Mixx9

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh really? Would this be different choreo that isn't really used or formations? But yea, they really dodged a bullet with Mixxnine.

[@tate415]

Dreamcatcher is playing their own games while all of K-pop is competing to become the best

[@little.dc.happiness]

@@tate415 so true

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea. I feel like lowkey that's a very scary idea within kpop to play in your own lane. Kinda risky too but when done right, it's such a great way for longevity.

[@thatshrian]

they're literally queens

[@cloudchungxiao]

Absolutely

[@Reve-to-the-V]

I truly think that Dreamcatcher's career could've reached a new height if they were given the opportunity to participate in a mainstream show like Queendom 2 given how: - There was a clear demand for them to participate as at the time of the announcement of the new season, people were hoping that Dreamcatcher would be on it. - People were disappointed that that wasn't the case after the reveal of the actual line up. - It would've been nice to see them capitalise off of the popularity of songs like Boca and perform it on a more elaborate stage that's worthy of an award show like MAMA. With members like Dami having viral parts from that song, I could see her popularity skyrocketing even further. - It would've be a great way for Dreamcatcher to further introduce their rock-infused music to a newer kpop audience that might not be as informed about them as they're a 3rd gen group. - If I had to change one of the groups from the original lineup to be their competitor, maybe Pixy? I don't know much about Pixy but based on what I've heard, they've also adapted the horror concept but the vibe of their music seems different from Dreamcatcher, especially dystopian era Dreamcatcher. It would've been interesting to see them perform each others songs seeing how both groups have great stage presence

[@momomomo__]

i see your point and i agree with it in theory. i was one of the fans that was quite sad they didn't participate, so i completely understand your sentiment, but i don't think queendom would have had the impact in their careers we would have expected or even wanted. after road to kingdom and then kingdom, people were expecting some extremely high budget performances, but mnet seemingly quartered the budget for queendom 2 for some reason (well, we all know why, but i don't feel like getting into how misogynystic mnet is). because of this, every single performance felt disappointing and it left a bitter taste in people's mouths because we saw how unfair it was. i'm a massive fan of gfriend, loona and wjsn, so i tunned in to watch. all three groups are known to be great performers and have put on insane shows, yet all their performances in queendom felt empty, even when i put aside the budget issues. the mistreatment was just so obvious that i couldn't even finish the show, i just watched the performances individually. people can't help but compare queendom to kingdom, so the groups looked honestly underwhelming and less skilled, simply because of the budget change. there's also the fact that mnet didn't give them a rap battle or the chance to produce and remaster the music themselves, which made it even sadder. dreamcatcher is already prone to people calling them overrated (specially siyeon, sua and gahyun, they get so much hate from other fandoms), so i have a feeling that sentiment would only highten if they had gone to queendom, because the performances simply couldn't compare with the scale that kinddom took. and no matter how good of a rapper dami is, there was no rap battle, so she wouldn't have the chance to show off like we would have wanted. no matter how good a group is, the budget matters. their performances would have just been compared to the ones on kingdom and dreamcatcher would have been dragged through the mud like all the groups on queendom 2 were for being 'untalented' and 'underwhelming'. i think they did well to play it safe and not go. there's nothing anyone could tell me that would convince me they weren't invited. i'm very sure they were invited and chose not to go to prepare for their tour. if you look at the schedules at the time, their primavera sound performance would have been right after queendom. they wouldn't have had the time to prepare and they're known for their live performances. not delivering at primavera sound would have been a huge blow to their reputation, because they're a touring group and their concerts are praised by people from outside the fandom and even by people outside of kpop. they chose to stick to what they do best and make history as the first kpop group to perform at primavera sound, one of the biggest rock festivals in europe. i'm a rock and metal fan, so trust me when i tell you people in those communities were talking about dreamcatcher after the festival, people loved them. they may not have had the opportunity to put on an award show performance, but they put on one of the best kpop performances at a western festival that i've ever seen. when they started the concert, only the front rows were singing and jumping, but by the end the whole crowd was dancing along and interacting with them, despite not knowing who they were. it takes a lot of skill and stage presence to hype up a whole crowd who doesn't know you and doesn't speak your language. they solidified that they're unmatched when it comes to live performances and got new fans in communities that wouldn't give them the time of day because they're a kpop group. i think that's far more valuable than performing on a show that only created fanwars and rigging allegations. and again, i know where you're coming from. had queendom 2 been treated the way kingdom was treated, in terms of budget and promotion, i would have completely agreed with you. the thing is, it was far safer to bet on a tour and primavera sound to get their name out there than it would have been to trust mnet to do their job properly, and it clearly payed off.

[@moongirl8807]

​@momomomo__ funny thing is they were treated exactly like that on Mix9 and even back then you could see how much Jiu hated it specifically for her team. Pair that with the lawsuit and I think they're staying far away from any kind of survival shows and big companies.

[@nico-cj5xd]

queendom was NOT the play for dreamcatcher as too much fanwars would spawn from that and i'm glad they didn't go. plus they were already too busy touring to be considered as a candidate lol

[@cloudchungxiao]

Queendom 2 would have been a great place for greater domestic exposure. I do wonder how impactful they were for MNET people to potentially reach out because there was a global demand form fans but I don't know if they would have been in that in between of Road to Queendom and Queendom 2 vibes. As for the elaborate stages, the only issue with this is the fact that year end award shows would not have called them up. And if they did, it would have been a more obscure one. The only place they could probably do the elaborate stages is on music shows which Idk if they wanna go all out like that with the "$36-ish" that they get.

[@Reve-to-the-V]

@@cloudchungxiao Not the $36💀. In retrospect my prior comment does show my idealism and how at the time of the 2nd season's announcment, I had hoped for another Queendom 1 moment to happen given how many iconic performances came from that season and how it had helped me get into groups like (G)-IDLE. But alas many factors like the disparity in budget between the queendom and kingdom series might've meant that Dreamcatcher wouldn't have benefited from participating anyways. Nevertheless, I'm glad that the girls have managed to have a long and successful career despite obstacles like coming from a small company.

[@autumneagle]

Best group for me. From title tracks and B sides to special clips and cover songs.

[@Haerinmato]

Same❤

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh, have only been listening to their title in preparation for this video. Any B-sides you recommend?

[@autumneagle]

@@cloudchungxiao Black or White, Red Sun, Sahara, Break the Wall, Poison Love, Wind Blows, Paradise, Demian, 2 Rings, R.o.S.E. Blue all have music videos. Plus all their solo songs from the Maison Album had their own music videos (Cherry, No Dot, Entrancing, Winter, For, Beauty Full, Playground) and showcases their vocal styles as individuals really well

[@cloudchungxiao]

Just had a listen to most of them and damm; they're pretty great. Notable stand outs for me were Red Sun and Demian. Plus really liked 2 Rings, Wind Blows and Black or White. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@autumneagle]

@@cloudchungxiao and now im sure you can see just how adaptable they are too.

[@velvetedcolors]

I remember in 2017, cute and innocent concepts were the most popular as front runners like Twice were doing really well. I remember many of the loud people on Twitter were complaining about wanting a change in cute concepts to darker and girl crush. In my opinion, Dreamcatcher was that to many people at that time and had a rock and metal sound, which wasn't very usual for kpop girl groups. Combining all these factors, I believe that's why Dreamcatcher was able to gain traction and build up a solid fan base in their early years! Over time, I feel like Dreamcatcher has become a unique part of kpop, where now many other groups take inspiration from Dreamcatcher (which I find fascinating!) Also I remember in mixnine was a shit show. I remember HappyFace/Dreamcatcher entertainment was suing YG about contracts. I believe that's why they pulled out the girls and the (I think) boy trainees. As well as, you mentioned the girls touring in Brazil would make more money for them, as I believe at that time, there's a big insomnia fanbase there! Mixnine could've had so much potential as some of the girls were/are part of big groups now. Seeing Hyunjin from Loona/Loossemble not take that shit show seriously makes me laugh every time I think of mixnine 🤭

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, they definitely set themselves apart with their concept because literally it feels like they paved the way for this type of concept so defs brought some attention from the general public. But they luckily also had rock and metal fans getting into kpop because of them too from what I'm seeing in the comments. Yea, I mean considering the artist management of YG, I do wonder how chaotic and hectic Mixnine would have been.

[@jessiehuysman7955]

You make good points. They take risks: their sound, dropping out of mixnine, being the first girl group to do a world tour,... And the company truly believes in them: not only did they redebut the minx members, they basically put all their eggs in one basket by fully putting everything into one group and even changing their name to dreamcatcher company

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that was kinda wild to be changing their name to Dreamcatcher company. But I guess that shows their dedication that they have for the group

[@ReapTheWhirlwind]

Investigating the Mamamoo solos is an iceberg, a rabbit hole, and a deep dive. I have a lot to say about this topic because it has to do with who they are as people, Mamamoo's brand as a group, how RBW has dealt with them individually, and the lasting effects of the pandemic. I wish you luck if you decide to try and crack this nut.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks, it's in the backburner because my initial perception are kinda completely off if we were to look at album sales. However, obviously that is not the only indicator of success and there definitely is things to look into. Only thing is that it definitely will be a long video if I wanna look into each of them while fully giving each of them a proper analysis. But yea, will defs look more into them because I feel like people don't talk about them like that anymore and lowkey kinda get it since it's been a while since they promoted an era as OT4 but still.

[@Karzeon]

I'm not an Insomnia (I don't keep up day to day but I enjoy them). Something I respect about Dreamcatcher is that their concept doesn't feel complicated. Like rock music with cool/dark vibes? Here you go. They stay CONSISTENT. I know what I came there for and don't leave confused. I feel like anyone can listen. Also feels like the company is very supportive and competent. Healthy number of releases, MVs look amazing, their outfits are super cool. My favorite song is Sleep-walking. I caught it on a kpop radio app and I was like WAIT LEMME WRITE THIS ONE DOWN.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, consistency for sure where they are not under or overworked but retaining the quality within each era is such a perfect combination.

[@shusukepanda]

I would say their uniqueness and consistency are what really solidifies their position. Truly a musical style no one else is doing, which means fans drawn to this style can't get it anywhere else in Kpop (or anywhere else in the world really), so you won't get fans lured away to another similar group. And they seem to keep outdoing themselves musically. At least for me, From Us and Virtuous are two of my three favorite mini albums from them, which is a rare feat for a group that's been around for seven years. Most groups lose their touch as they go along or are much more up and down. Credit to their producers, obviously, for pulling that off.

[@cloudchungxiao]

For sure. Also once you hit the seven year mark, companies tend to look for the new best thing while slowly "neglecting" the old group as it feels like they have reached their peak. However, with no groups in the making, it seems like the company has plans to continue to solely work towards lifting up Dreamcatcher even more.

[@Vimanas.8209]

You forgot about the one thing Insomnia has in Possession along with DREAMCATCHER: *INSOMNICSY*

[@cloudchungxiao]

Not sure what that means hahaha.

[@Vimanas.8209]

@@cloudchungxiao UMMM. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT? Insomnicsy saved DREAMCATCHER.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Kinda very late response but got what you mean now. You're referring to the youtuber which I didn't really come across while doing my research.

[@Vimanas.8209]

@@cloudchungxiao YESS. INSOMNICSY. 😝 😂 😝

[@kimble90126]

Dreamcatcher is one of my bias groups

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh nice, what's your top song or fav era from them?

[@AM2Musik]

Obviously i cant say for sure but i think touring outside of korea generates them some of the most revenue and new fans. Ive gone to their concert every year since they started after covid. Even the way they approach their shows if different than most kpop groups and a bit more similar to western formatted concerts. Given their rock concept they also bring in a ton of fans. People bring prents, friends, partner who are genuinely surprised, then vibe, then are obsessed. They also have limited merch in the sense that its not excessive and its very distinct. Even their albums come with useful stuff. The bonboyage album came with a literal passport cover. Thats something that will get used, not collect dust or end up in a landfill. They also try to keep our wallets in mind. Their lightstick is a literal staff thats a couple feet long. It was on the pricier side for a lightstick. To cater to fans they started selling it in normal lightstick size and also sold the additional attachments separately. So you could get the lightstick before a concert and maybe if you had the funds later you could extend it! The consistent concept with unique twists in each song, diversification and understanding of their fanbase, and relaxed but hype concerts, they really just cant stop and wont stop lol.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I mean I'm not a fan of them like that but I would be keen to experience a Dreamcatcher concert just based on the vibes that I hear about them. That's pretty cool about the lightstick and it's attachment. K

[@domtorres9330]

Honestly no Justice for Dreamcatcher in Korea, just holding them back from blowing up and earning what they deserve. Global domination based on TALENT

[@cloudchungxiao]

Not sure what you're saying but I kinda-ish maybe get the point. There fanbase does tend to lean more globally but I do wonder how much presence and portion of fan they actually have domestically.

[@joy7367]

it seems like the company is trying to promote them in a way that's more similar to how overseas group would be rather than pop/kpop promoting, with more focus on touring and direct contact with fans rather than variety shows. they also seem to be in a similar position to kep1er, where they're popular enough to keep them around, but not THAT popular that it's more advantageous to use the hype to build another group and use the girls as soloists/ in other activities (like izone)

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh for sure, I feel like it's incredible how many tours they have done overseas in spite of the company size.

[@grey3987]

They have shared the stage with may generations of idols , as new 5th generation idols enter the stage in the next few years , the Dreamcatcher will Remain , no good byes , just a Endless Journey . " She is and They are the first and always" , Legendary Dreamcatcher

[@aeongies]

i always find it crazy how back when they debuted as minx they were promoting alongside 2nd gen and early 3rd gen. most of the other groups around at the time have since disbanded, meanwhile dreamcatcher are still going. we’re truly so lucky to have them.

[@grey3987]

@@aeongies Her Symbol " Dreamcatcher " has Become her Name , she has become a Eternal Legend , " She is and they are the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher ".

[@grey3987]

@@aeongies " she is the idol , no idol can become ", " she is Eternal Legend , that no Legend can Be " , She is a Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher .

[@cloudchungxiao]

Okay it's really giving bot because what is this response?? hahaha

[@majinzane]

Thanks for putting this video together about Dreamcatcher!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks for watching. Hopefully, the points made sense and were valid in the explanation of this video.

[@little.dc.happiness]

Do you know what's more crazy is they don't go to the big/famous tv shows or have big brand deals to promote their songs which now days a lot kpop groups does this. That's a real success.

[@divx1001]

They do some small brand promotions here and there and I'm happy for them ❤

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that's kinda wild. Defs kinda wanna see what their domestic presence is like because it's like they do things but it's never much that is in a large capacity. I wonder whether they already feel like the reception to the music will also be niche so they wanna save those resoures to being able to do more with their fanbase or something like that.

[@Haerinmato]

I’ve been with them since debut I love them sm

[@cloudchungxiao]

Omg, since Dreamcatcher or even Minx?

[@Haerinmato]

7:40 they added 2 new members when they re-debuted Handong & Gahyun were added they weren’t there since minx like the others were

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh yea, didn't clarify that part but just the fact the CEO still kept the original members while adding the two; like the CEO really was that dedicated to the members.

[@Haerinmato]

@@cloudchungxiao yea I love that sm🥹🥹🥹

[@grey3987]

She is the Symbol of Courage , She is the Symbol of Strength , She is the Symbol of Heart , She is the Symbol of the Dreamcatcher

[@cloudchungxiao]

Who is she?

[@teambellavsteamalice]

Is there any solid info on earnings per year or per comeback for Dreamcatcher (albums, concerts and other). And how much goes to the members, the CEO/company and how much to costs and other staff?

[@moongirl8807]

Nope, nope and nope. That's contract stuff and since they don't have investors they don't need to release financial reports. I heard the profit margin on albums is low but they consistently sell about 110k per album plus there's a few older ones in stock. So about 130-300k per year depending on cb if we say 1$ per album (could be more). They get profit of fansigns and brand collaborations (this year Neogen, Venta X, that other cosmetic brand). Various TV and variety gigs, Handong is spokesperson and host for a Taiwanese radio app. KZbin adsense. Yearly merch: 2 photobooks and Season's Greetings, plus additional stuff like lightsick. Then they just announced a reprint of their first two singles. OK and that is just the baseline of a successful group, we don't know the earnings but it's probably enough to survive. But the real cash cow: touring. You can actually take guesses here but I'm not an insider. There's numbers out there though, it also depends on the country. They sell about 2-4k seats per venue, plus merch and M&G. They just added 1:1 photos and although MMT will take a huge cut someone calcuted that they'll still make several thousand dollars. Seeing how the company is doing and how the members have expensive stuff and several amenities (Sua probably has her own house, Dami has a small recording studio, they regularly buy gifts and coffee trucks for staff and idol friends)), I wouldn't worry too much. Rn the only question is when DCC will launch a new gg and if that will affect Dreamcatcher's budget.

[@teambellavsteamalice]

@@moongirl8807 Nice, it seems like a lot of money, but most earnings go elsewhere, like the venues and must be split with lots of people. I hope they earn loads, it's way more than a full-time job, add the trainee period and limited time you can earn money, being an idol isn't always fair. For one participant of Miss Back they calculated they earned less than minimum wage and there isn't much of a career after unless you are very lucky.

[@divx1001]

​@@moongirl8807 I agree. DC has probably achieved a comfortable enough financial position due to touring and merch. I think the fact that the CEO is actually a rock/metal fan helped with the strategy. Rock fans know that most bands make their money touring and on merch, so it's only natural that DC followed that strategy instead of focusing on album sales or charting/streaming numbers 😊 plus DC has surpassed 1 mln albums sold on Circle Chart, so they're already legends in their own right. A 3rd gen group that had to rebrand and is still active 9 years later, touring the globe almost every year and having consistent comebacks? I love them 😭😭😭😭

[@moongirl8807]

@divx1001 yes they're iconic, especially now that big 4 are desperately clawing into the US market and Dreamcatcher was just popular without trying😍

[@cloudchungxiao]

Lowkey would be so fun to break down companies financial reports; and then if they split it based on groups too. Would be such a great way to really look further into the revenue, costs, and profits of companies just to vibe check the positions of both idols and companies.

[@grey3987]

Some Call Her The Shadow Warrior , Some Call Her The Dark Knight , Some Call Her The Fallen Angel . She is a Guardian of Dreams , " She is and They are the first and always" , Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher .

[@cloudchungxiao]

But yesss, DREAMCATCHERR!!

[@grey3987]

The Legend that Never Gives Up , The Legend that Never Ends , The Legend that inspires and give Strength & Courage to the World , They call her Dreamcatcher

[@cloudchungxiao]

Next time, you could respond in one comment because they feel like they interconnect.

[@evangeline3907]

I appreciate how handong is still active in the group despite of her actives in China. I like how she stayed in the group unlike how we see the more "popular" Chinese members would "leave" the group and promote solo.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I definitely can reasons for the difference between Handong and other chinese members who leave but definitely great that she continued with Dreamcatcher. I know she had a period during Covid where she was promoting their but I do wonder what her presence is like in China.

[@henriquechapisco]

They will come in October to Brazil again.

[@Alessandra2000]

They will come in September

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm really? Would this be for a festival appearance or part of their tour because I couldn't find anything about that.

[@Alessandra2000]

@@cloudchungxiao It's part of the tour, they will come on September 15th

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh nice. I was gonna say, I don't think I've seen them tour in Brazil that frequently right? Like in debut yes, but after that, would this be the second time coming back or do they come from time to time.

[@Alessandra2000]

@@cloudchungxiao Yes, it's the second time they've come, they only came once in 2017

[@jamescurfman3284]

Maybe this gets a little too deep for comfort if you want to keep the subject and your article 'professional'. There are things you could not say if you wanted your thoughts to be taken so seriously; I can't blame you there. So I will say something now that you possibly COULD NOT mention because perhaps it gets a little too personal (therefore 'un-professional'): At the risk of sounding parasocial, from a fan's perspective it really seems like DCC is much more of a giant 'chosen family' environment rather than simply being a company where people work. Everybody gets along, they talk things out instead of holding grudges. There is no back-stabbing or shifting of blame when things go wrong. Everybody respects everybody. The group members, the stars of the whole show, are humble and good people who talk as easily with their Janitorial Staff as they do with their Stylists and Executives. And that is not just within Dreamcatcher Company; Group Leader JiU has become friends with a Janitorial worker at one of the big studios that houses a stage, it's one of the broadcast places where the big-name, big-money live shows are held often. JiU and this support person have exchanged gifts for birthdays, etc. JiU being the bright-and-sunny personality that she is, and in the position as leader, has considerable influence over the younger members in the matter of attitude and behavior. As a whole, the group does not believe in some 'invisible walls' which others try to set between 'classes' of people. I love their humility. Part of that attitude can also be contributed to the CEO being very warm and friendly to everybody. He is also very 'hands off' when it comes to allowing his employees to live their own lives. They are already held to a high standard of conduct but they are not Micro-Managed at all. That's a healthy relationship. It is VERY CLEAR that the CEO and his family WANT the group members to be happy and healthy. The Execs do not force the girls onto diets that could harm them in the long-term (such as all the other big companies do, treating their Idols like numbers instead of people). The Executives and Management of DCC allow the ladies to do their own dieting when the girls think it might be called for. They talk all of this over between themselves. It's all done with love and appreciation and respect for each other. It really is so telling about the rest of the Korean Entertainment Industry that this particular kind of environment is NOT the norm within the Companies. This SHOULD be the pattern, the 'normal' method of operation throughout every Company in the Industry. Things would look far better in Korea right now if this was the case. Well, EVERY Company on Earth should strive to be like this place. DCC is awesome. :)

[@cloudchungxiao]

Wasn't trying to make this too professional but I didn't really know about them like that too have recognised any of these points. But yea, those points were kinda getting a little too parasocial where I feel like any stans could kinda say similar-ish things but with their own context. However, if all that is trues then it just further highlights the partnership that is had between company and the group to work together well. It sounds like from what you have said, there is not much issues with cohesion and communication which just further enhances their ability to work well together towards their goal.

[@jamescurfman3284]

@@cloudchungxiao 100%. I am glad that I was able to bring this little bit of perspective to you. :)

[@Haerinmato]

Best 11 minutes of my life today

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha thanks :)

[@grey3987]

The Sacrifices of MINX , Becomes the Oath of the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher , Never To give up on the Dream . the story of the Dreamcatcher. 7 beings were Born into this World, they would find each other through Destiny, and be bonded to each other Through Destiny for All Time. When 5 of them found each other they became Minx (18.09.2014), but Destiny had other plans for them and forces would separate them. But their Bond Through Destiny was so Strong that they would find each other throughout all Time , they Returned and Destiny brought the final 2 beings to the group. They became Guardians of Dreams, They became Dreamcatcher . Gifted , Blessed and Bonded Through Destiny for all Time. To be a Dreamcatcher you have to be chosen by Fate , and Blessed by Destiny with : Magic , Power , Fire and Timeless Beauty . those who Discover Dreamcatcher, Become InSomnia and never Sleep on Dreamcatcher talent.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Is this a poem of some sort you have written out for them?

[@grey3987]

" she is the idol , no idol can become ", " she is Eternal Legend , that no Legend can Be " , She is a Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher .

[@cloudchungxiao]

Is this the same she as your previous comment?

[@FridaNordstrom]

They also stuck to the concept even when it wasn't immediately successful. New girl groups often suffer from constantly changing concepts so the fanbase is never given the opportunity to grow. The people who liked the original concept doesn't like the new one and those who liked the new one doesn't like the next and so on. Dreamcatcher stuck to their rock sound even when 1000 people bought their first album and that gave them the time to grow a fanbase that stays around.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Idk how unsuccessful it was but definitely an interesting question to be had. Like at what point would the CEO have said yea nah to the rock concept? Like, would he have stuck with it through and through if it wasn't being received well for a while. The reason I say this is because they switched Minx to Dreamcatcher because of the oversaturation,. However, Dreamcatcher's concept is pretty niche and so there really isn't a baseline of tracking whether they are doing well. So yea, grateful that they stuck through it but would be interesting to see how dedicated the CEO was to the concept and if not, then what would Dreamcatcher have become.

[@grey3987]

Her Symbol " Dreamcatcher " has Become her Name , she has become a Eternal Legend , " She is and they are the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher ".

[@cloudchungxiao]

Don't want this to be offensive but are you a bot?

[@lgme378]

For me Dreamcatcher is : rock, adult concept (lyrics, dance, behavior), not sexualized, sometimes cute or sexy, beautiful and very talented artists (singing, dancing even writings), I discovered them following reactions of J-Rock

[@cloudchungxiao]

Did they react to J Rock or were they recommended when you listened to J Rock because I think saw something about their style of music having J Rock influences.

[@grey3987]

Think of the Symbol , Remember the Legend , say the Name " Dreamcatcher , Dreamcatcher , Dreamcatcher " , Now you also have the Strength and Courage of the Legendary Dreamcatcher

[@cloudchungxiao]

I'm so confused and now realising there's more comments.

[@HectorH-M]

My ults

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh nice. What's your fave era from them and did you like Justice?

[@HectorH-M]

@@cloudchungxiao I've liked them since debut, in 2017, and I'm aware of their previous story when they debuted as MINX in 2015. I don't have a fav era, because I just love those girls, with Siyeon being my bias (I hope she rests well, because she's currently on a health hiatus due to anxiety). Justice is a top title track of their discography, and the album is just fire.

[@cloudchungxiao]

The fact that they are still bringing it by topping your fav title track of their discography just shows how legit they are.

[@HectorH-M]

@@cloudchungxiao Yes they are legit. They never disappoint, and sticking to that sound and concept all those years says something, and the company treats them really well. Added info: They will be performing in Germany soon (idk exactly when).

[@Haerinmato]

My ults❤

[@cloudchungxiao]

What's the "IT" era for you?

[@Haerinmato]

My girls ❤❤❤❤

[@cloudchungxiao]

Do you have bias or just OT7?

[@Haerinmato]

@@cloudchungxiao my bias is Yoohyeon but at the end of the day I’m OT7 if that makes sense lol

[@GreyAngel-ng2ss]

Day must end with Night , Night must fall with the rise of Day . But she must go on , the one they call Dreamcatcher

[@cloudchungxiao]

Is this your other account?

[@kimble90126]

Do dreamcatcher sister group called dal shabet

[@cloudchungxiao]

I've heard of their existence btu never really known much of them. Can look into what I can about with them.

[@grey3987]

What is she : idol , angel , wizard or fairy . the World calls her Dreamcatcher

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, very curious where this is all coming from?

[@kimble90126]

Yes

[@cloudchungxiao]

YESSS

[@OoMASEoO]

Short answer: they're good 🤭

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha yea basically.

[@DianaOsazenaye]

not boring

[@cloudchungxiao]

What's not boring?