The PROBLEM with Lee Chaeyeon (why i'm worried ...)

[@reah_ctrldotshft]

Remember when natty went solo but then joined a group? Yeah I kinda wish that for chaeyeon too.

[@Ms_HyeSeungyeon]

Probably because WM is planning a new girl group for 2024

[@twoohoot]

Natty Growth between her survival days and her solo to now.. is astounding... She did the right thing at the right time.

[@felixspancakes969]

@@twoohootrighht

[@rxbiluhvrp]

@@Ms_HyeSeungyeonI honestly doubt we’ll see her debut in a group. She shines WAY brighter as a soloist. But then again, she is one of those soloists that just feels odd to not see in a group (Somi, Sunmi even though it’s probably because she’s “too old”) but you can’t really see them as a soloist either.

[@Myheartmelody-zx4fk]

@@rxbiluhvrp Well but being in a grouo can give her also the chance to have solo activities. But the security of a grouo as well.

[@kenyz.hiireath]

she REALLLY should've been in a group, I like a few songs I've heard from her but idk i dont really think she has a specific sound that suits her and if she was in a group she could play around with it a lot more all the while not having all the attention entirely on her

[@messyves]

i absolutely agree w/ this.

[@hallooos7585]

She should’ve stick with her debut song concept, even though people hated it cause she couldn’t show her dancing skills but her songs were somewhat memorable

[@zuzukram]

@@hallooos7585I actually loved hush rush I don’t know how people didn’t like it it’s much better than her recent comebacks and now barely anybody is paying attention to her

[@ZDubbed]

Yeah some people just shine more in a group. (I didn’t really love misamo because they shine in twice)

[@scro910]

It’s like her company thought they had a Chungah on their hands

[@preyslaydisplay]

From the moment I heard she was going to debut solo I was worried. Through all of izone I'd hoped Chaeyeon would debut with a small-medium sized group, she's just the type of idol that suits being in a group with other people that can complement and highlight her skills while being able to hold up in places where she may struggle or be lacking. The way her solo career has gone so far is obviously not what I wanted for her but unfortunately it was something I kinda predicted would happen. I really really hope her company either gives her a comeback and a solid concept very soon, or that maybe they'll pull back a bit to form a team around her and have her redebut with a group a la Soyeon or Natty

[@cloudchungxiao]

Made great points. Literally same thoughts. But yea, I'm surprised a lot of the comments are talking about how they wanted her in a group debut instead of solo because I swear I saw way more people talk about hopefully having a solo debut while Iz*one was still active.

[@catsneeze]

samee :((

[@きのこ320]

Same

[@camelama]

I think she's doing fine. Considering the resources her management has at their disposal, they've done a good job promoting her. She doesn't need to be charting at #1 with every comeback to be successful.

[@eternal_love7879]

yup. she's doing well as the attention goes to her since SWF and queendom. knock rised up and last cb did well too.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I wouldn't equate charting #1 as the only necessity to have a successful comeback. Once again, it could be too early but there just doesn't seem to be momentum being built into her music career which seems to be the relative end goal for Chaeyeon.

[@favour4150]

Isn’t it weird that most kpop fans don’t let artist grow slowly… once you debut and don’t immediately sell 100s of thousands of albums and get 100million views you’re a flop. I mean look at Jesse, it took her years to grow her solo career. People rn are so used to payola and big 4 privilege that they don’t know what it is to slowly grow a fan base . Western artists like Lizzo, Ariana grande and The Weeknd… would have been branded as flops at the beginning of their careers if they were kpop idols. I mean what can we expect when kpop is unfortunately like the fast fashion of the music industry… they just mass produce and get rid of anything that isn’t an immediate success. With that being said (like anyone asked) I’m not a fan of Chaeyeon but I hope she and her company give her a few years of grace at least to grow.

[@ggstan2439]

The problem is not chaeyeon “giving bops” and “showing her skills” while not being recognized (which is not happening). The problem is her clear struggle to fit the soloist image, find her sound (so ofc not giving us/general public bops) and she even stated before that being a soloist was hard. She is very talented, it’s just some people shine more in a group.

[@favour4150]

@@ggstan2439 My OG comment was kind of a general observation and you’re right. Just like with any new journey it’ll probably take her a while to find her footing as a soloist but the thing with kpop is it usually doesn’t give idols time esp if they’re older… I just hope that fans and her company do. She has a community of people that support her rn and she’ll always have a lil bit of support from her sister’s fanbase too, that’ll probably help her out a lot as she grows. She seems genuinely passionate about music and dance so her success, no matter how long it takes, would be really nice to see.

[@gamechallenger8600]

​@@favour4150completely love her for her passion in her craft that's why I'm half in half in my opinion (solo or group). At the end she will be the one that will make this decisions. Chaeyeon rooting for you❤

[@ExploreAllThings_]

Sangat setuju, saat ini kebanyakan berpikir begitu debut harus menang kalau menjual album 100 ribu sangat bodoh

[@cloudchungxiao]

I wouldn't necessarily compare with western pop because there is so much difference in how the music/entertainment industry operates that kind of explain this; but you equating kpop to fast fashion is a perfect description to it. As for the slow growth, defs understand that because expecting instant success means you are expecting perfection from the start because it needs to be essentially the best of both worlds to cater to a large chunk of audience. As for the expectations of selling a lot and getting a lot of view, I think fans have been gotten deluded with these big debuts from well established companies and equating that as the norm. Defs is not; however, I don't think Chaeyeon is slowly growing either too. With the exception of Knock, she does seem to receive less attention with each comeback. In saying that, she is still relatively fresh into her career, but the trajectory is not looking the best. Plus the oversaturation of kpop doesn't help because it's all a lot of fake stanning and pivoting because they can.

[@monib111]

As a WIZ*ONE who keeps tabs on the members whenever they release something new, I feel like the merger definitely affected Chaeyeon's initial trajectory since she was originally going to redebut in another group. It was speculated that RBW had in the agreement that WM couldn't debut another girl group for a couple of years in order to avoid competition with Purple Kiss, so the company had to let the trainees go when their original plans fell through. She also definitely could have benefitted from being in a group for a few more years before debuting solo because even though her dance skills are incredible, she's not as much of an engaging performer as she could potentially be. [Edit: By a couple of years, I meant at least 2 years since a group's rookie years are at least 2-3 years long.]

[@Tsuyako-l9t]

I thought about that before, but after Young Posse debuted, the theory of not debuting potential girl group competitor weakens since DSP is also under RBW. Cmiiw tho

[@monib111]

@user-gt4pp7gs6n Young Posse debuted on October 18, 2023, at least 2 1/2 years after Purple Kiss's debut (They officially debuted on March 12, 2021, after putting out 2 pre-debut digital singles). Young Posse was also announced on June 22, 2023, which was still over 2 years after PK's debut.

[@Ms_HyeSeungyeon]

Also it was reported WM is debuting a new girl group in the middle of 2024

[@ibetterbearoundyou]

Chaeyeon should've debuted with Purple Kiss... She fits the concept really well, and it would have helped to the image of the group.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Could you see Chaeyeon join the line up of WM's new girl group almost like how Natty and Soyeon went solo for a bit before joining their respective groups? But yea, it's looking like the whole idea of initially debuting in a group was a bit more popular than I thought or is this more of a retrospective though as a Wiz*one?

[@jamescamp7695]

She's been called the "Feather," because she's an exceptional dancer. She recently said she was thinking about starting a dance studio. That makes sense, but she should be able to participate at a higher level. Her visuals are just fine and there should be more appreciation for her overall. I also remember how well-loved she was by her IZONE members, especially the Japanese girls.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh, that would be cool. I wonder if she has ever thought about being a Kpop choreographer.

[@ibetterbearoundyou]

She wasn't that popular domestically, so it makes sense why people isn't attracted to what she has to offer. And despite being a great dancer, she still needs to prove people that she's able to sing and shine in other aspects of an idol. Her IZONE days are gone. The company needs to do something asap for her career, otherwise WM will consider her career as a burden and a loss, when she definitely deserves better.

[@eternal_love7879]

are you sure she's isnt popular domestically? lol come on, she is the lee chaeyeon. you talk as if koreans doesnt know chaesis 😂 it's just the company doesnt know how to handle a diamond like chaeyeon.

[@linhtut1414]

Wdym she wasn't popular, Knock literally went viral, like everyone was dancing to it.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think Chaeyeon is well known, could be debatable as to whether she is popular because there isn't a reason to dislike her. However, I think the point being made is about that being converted into stronger support and success which it could be too early too truly say but it doesn't seem like the music is making more people even more hype for more music. Knock did receive attention, but whether that success translated to more attention to Let's dance, that's kinda real 50/50.

[@dekuwashi]

honestly I know a lot of people wished she was in a group but Chaeyeon is one of my favorite soloists, I was surprised at her first EP and every song she released after was no-skip for me, I've been so surprised

[@sappyzap]

I think her and Yena are the ones with the most soloist potential. While Eunbi has released good stuff, she's more suitable for a group imo. Eunbi and Yuri in a new group would've been great

[@glaciemdraco]

@@sappyzap The thing with Eunbi is that at her age - sadly - she's probably 'too old' for anything but another temporary group. her path is definitely more of a soloist/actress due to a lot of people thinking you are ancient if you are even a year over 20 ._.

[@cloudchungxiao]

When you say fav soloist, would you say she's top 5 and her music is pretty up there in the overall list of kpop artist and their music? As for the Eunbi discussion, what's crazy is that my fav post-iz*one soloist is Eunbi so lowkey feel like it's great that she's a soloist hahaha.

[@dekuwashi]

@@cloudchungxiao Definitely top 5, I've never found a soloist who I've basically no-skip listened to every EP they've dropped and still can distinctly remember most of them without thinking. Eunbi is actually in my top 5 too, alongside Chungha, IU, and Seori (idk if IU and Seori 'technically' count since some argue they're more korean singers than idols but I digress) It's funny to me too bc I actually wasn't a huge WIZ*ONE. I liked IZ*ONE and listened to their music but wasn't super invested in them outside of a few specific members (I was an AKB48 fan). I've really fallen in love with their solo/member stuff after leaving IZ*ONE and the soloists are the best part IMO.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm, that's dope. Lowkey same but I'm still pretty casual for most of them.

[@Tsuyako-l9t]

IMO Chaeyeon doesn't have a distinct enough brand as a soloist other than a great dancer. If we were to compare her to her own former teammates, Eunbi and Yena's music seems to have their identities plastered everywhere.

[@htc12]

You are right, she should be popular with her breasts open like Eunbi, she should be singing and shining with popular people all the time like Yena, look at how they are known and popular, Eunbi, Yena popular artists with their breasts, singing and using popular members of Izone

[@Tsuyako-l9t]

​@@htc12Wow, didn't know breasts could be included in music discussion nowadays. Trying to gaslight people who actually try to find the root cause when overcoming an issue?

[@htc12]

@@Tsuyako-l9t Didn't you know that Waterbomb's breast videos were all over the place, she wore a revealing outfit at every event, she even received an award for that video, do a search to find out how popular it became last year, then come and comment.

[@htc12]

@@Tsuyako-l9t deletion

[@htc12]

Did you find it very difficult for me to comment?

[@ipw6fp]

I think what sort of hinders here is her performance confidence compared to when she was in Izone. She's still ridiculously amazing but you can tell she plays safe and close, especially during live performances. Her company needs to give her better songs too... I totally think she could handle a more electronic dance song that she'd fit so well, but that's just imo

[@ClubPuguin]

Yeah just a more consistent identity as an artist, she's suppose to be a vampire!!! But they barely play with that at all, especially in the music.

[@clairecunningham1271]

oh i didn’t even know she was supposed to be a vampire lmao ya the company should defo give her a more consistent identity cuz i couldn’t even rlly tell u what her concept/ theme is

[@eternal_love7879]

hush rush is kinda weak but appluad of her making her vocals shine as she's knows for being a great dancer. knock is the real start of her solo career.

[@vixxexo6855]

Her solo songs are extremely bad. Only listenable song by her is Hush Rush and that song is so boring.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I can kinda see that. I think maybe that's the major difference. I remember always seeing people compare her to being the next Chungha but to me there was always some disconnect for some reason. Might just be perfomance abilities being relatively different which I've been lowkey equating dance skills to performance (which they are not the same now thinking about it). As for the song and concept, yea that needs more of a direction. Let's dance had no mention of the vampire concept and Knock had faint usage of it. Plus the songs have been real mixed reception so hopefully they or even Chaeyeon has more contribution into what her music is.

[@BriFr]

it is a real shame that she didn't get her first win with knock :( it was such a good song. I feel Like she needs a win to get her confidence back up.

[@panananananana]

we lost by just 29 points... 😔

[@cloudchungxiao]

Positive spin to that is that with the right songs, she defs will get the support so it's really having the right direction in music with the next comeback hopefully.

[@BriFr]

@@cloudchungxiao i really think she's got the potential to grow overtime into her own. Shes got enough stage presence and dance skill to hold her own. shes got a really good voice i really hope they figure out a success formula for her and fast.

[@kkentaii]

I really hope she re-debuts in a group because it seems the best for her honestly

[@cloudchungxiao]

I mean she's still relatively new-ish to her career so there could be a chance. How likely do you think she could do this?

[@AlgParis]

IZ*ONE was peak Kpop and I miss the sound color they brought and we don’t have anymore in the Kpop industry :(

[@sappyzap]

I already gave up and have come to terms with realizing there will never be another izone

[@eternal_love7879]

there's tripleS and limelight. same vibes as iz*one.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Do you think you can see them reunite for either a performance or a one-off single for their anniversary?

[@MARIOPOWERUP]

I feel chaeyeon could make it as a solo artist but her company sucks, I wouldn’t say chungha is the standard of beauty but has the dance skills and sings well enough. Her company was trash but they did well enough in her initial career. Chaeyeons company keeps putting her on shows, we knows she’s a phenomenal dancer please get her better songs and promote her properly

[@vixxexo6855]

Chungha was never critisised for her looks. Only few said she started to look artificial ik Bicycle, but it was not that many people compared to the hate Chae sisters got. Chungha also fits more korean beauty standards. Like Chungha has double eyelids, slim nose and v-line face.

[@linhtut1414]

Hush Rush is safe.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think there has just been more discussions about the visuals of Chaeyeon, which means it's relatively distinct for a good or bad reason. But yea, better songs defs should be a first step because she can defs back it up with her dance skills.

[@Chaerishluvchae]

Chaeyeon is my absolute number1 ult and I do agree about her needing to find her sound/niche a bit more. They still hint at her vampire concept from Hush Rush in her other singles, but there needs to be more of a push. She's prepping for her next comeback this year so fingers crossed we get something to put her in the spotlight without her company just trying to recreate Knock. Either way, I will support her 100% 🥰

[@cloudchungxiao]

Wait, is the vampire concept still present in Let's Dance? But yea, hopefully the next comeback gets more attention with her backing it up with great music.

[@Chaerishluvchae]

@@cloudchungxiao There is! In the purple and yellow set, the background is vampire teeth. Then in her outdoor set where it has the sneaker in there are bats flying off to the side 😁

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm, nice spotting. Literally the way they sprinkle it in like I'm confused as to whether they want to drop the concept or not because that's like lower than bare minimum implementation of this concept.

[@harvard-is-calling]

if wm debuted her right after swf like she wanted she would be a timeless soloist like the ioi soloist girls

[@cloudchungxiao]

Debuted her still as a soloist or in a group? Also not sure if you follow SWF as much but Emma from Want is debuting so lowkey would have been crazy if we saw them debut together.

[@AlgParis]

To be honest I think Hybe should have recruited her for Lesserafim too because everyone wanted Sakura and Chaeyeon together and also the vibe of the group suits her a lot, she would have been an awesome add to the group. When I heard that Sakura and Chaewon were recruited by Hybe I was almost sure they would recruit Chaeyeon too but they didn’t and I was baffled…

[@ggstan2439]

Probably visuals…

[@annanowak9620]

Maybe Chaeyoung really wanted to debut solo

[@justsun6956]

​@@ggstan2439obviously visual Hybe also want Minju in lsm, she was visual of iz*one with Sakura

[@sappyzap]

Garam was prettier so she probably took her place. It would've been helpful now with the whole Coachella fiasco, having 2 vocalists (Chaeyeon and Chaewon) maybe would've avoided the situation, and Chaeyeon wasn't a powerhouse vocal in izone but still. Hybe would've probably fked up her vocal ability though, they don't have coaches

[@ggstan2439]

@@sappyzap Chaeyeon was one of the most stable singers of iz*one and during produce she was probably the most stable one. She def would’ve ate.

[@xaan7458]

Tbh, I kinda love her songs. I think their really fun and cute. I feel like she just doesn't stand out against other K-pop groups

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, being a soloist is really hard. As well as standing out against other soloist, she has to stand out against groups who have the ability to benefit from each other and not deal with the burden of being relatively decent in all aspects that may be assessed by kpop listeners.

[@ggstan2439]

Personally I think all of the iz*one members that debuted solo would’ve been better in a group (OFC not considering age). Yuri is the kind of member that shines with her voice, the high notes and peak moments of the song. She is the proof you don’t need to sing alone to make your voice shine. Yuri was like the yuju of generation, you could always expect a high note and she would always serve. When a main vocal become a soloist (just like Taeyeon or Sejeong) the feeling is different. Atleast for me. Chaeyeon just shined so much as izone’s main dancer. Whenever she had dance moments on variety shows and the members were cheering you could see the sparkle and confidence in her eyes, like she was meant to do that. Chaeyeon is one of those members that (in a group like izone) can shine mostly outside the performance because when it came to dance it was her momento. And I think she was totally a more confident dancer before. If there’s a group which the main vocal was treated 100% of the time as main vocal and so did the main dancer, it was iz*one. Yena is the kind of the member that always got a crucial part of the song for being an all rounder or a killing part. She is incredible as a soloist and it’s great to see her own identity but yena as the funny chaotic izone all-rounder >>>>>>>>> When it comes to eunbi I really think she is good as a soloist but personally I feel like she never really showcased her real potential in a group since iz*one (her only stable project) had 12 members. Eunbi is ofc leader standart and a very good singer and dancer. I hoped she could’ve shown more her main dancer and lead vocalist side. I really wished they became a group after the disbandment or even joined/debuted in another group. They would’ve been powerful togheter and as a group with 4 members they wouldn’t loose individuality as much.

[@sappyzap]

I think so far the most popular soloists are Yena and Eunbi, Chaeyeon comes closer after Knock. Yuri is really talented and has a lot of potential but sadly she's overlooked:/ they would've been an interesting sub-group, though I think Yena was meant to be a soloist

[@ssua3035]

the yuju of gfriend? 😅

[@ggstan2439]

@@ssua3035 yes. Yuju was noticed mostly for her high notes while Wendy for example was recognized by her technique. Both Yuri and Yuju have good techniques (not the best of generation tho) but they are mostly known for their high notes.

[@ssua3035]

@@ggstan2439 oh i just thought you typed yuju of girls generation by mistake

[@cloudchungxiao]

Totally see what you mean. I was responding who talked about soloist in particular almost always have to either focus on vocals or performance for each release since it's all on them to do everything. As a result, the other aspect is kinda seen as underwhelming which is what I'm lowkey seeing with Yuri and Chaeyeon. Yena seems to be known for her personality which is why she gets a lot of variety appearance, so not sure about her musical reception because I only like a few of her songs. Eunbi not too sure about her either. Doesn't feel like she's doing alright in terms of her musical career (there's a slight disconnect somewhere), but she's also starting to get on the variety train to with more appearances too.

[@NinjaKittkatt]

Chaeyeon not debuting in Itzy was really where the problems started. People say she left so her sister could be a member, but let's be real... EVERYONE thought the Chae sisters would be in a group together, but were probably separated because of their "poor visuals". I honestly always thought it was weird that Lia, one of the weakest dancers in Kpop, was added to a majority dancer group. I feel like Chaeyeon would've been the perfect 5th member of Itzy. I also feel like Lia's talents as a singer are being wasted in Itzy since they only focus on dance. Lia should've been a soloist that does bright, bubbly, or ballad style songs.

[@Yxxyn._]

Having the 2 of them in the same group I think isn’t a good idea. Ofc it has many pros but I think it’s better that they aren’t. Ofc everyone knows they are sisters but in a group together they could possibly only be known for being twins and they look so smiliar it would be hard to distinguish them. Plus JYP said he wouldn’t debut 2 of them together. It’s just unfortunate that Chaeyeon didn’t debut into a group after izone

[@icebreaker5303]

I mean looking at their vocal range, it’s pretty obvious why lia was added

[@NinjaKittkatt]

@@Yxxyn._ As adults they don't look alike. They only looked like twins when they were preteens. There have been groups that had actual twins debut together (Crayon Pop, Boyfriend). I just think a dance centered group should've had all dancers.

[@NinjaKittkatt]

@@icebreaker5303 But that's my point, Itzy ISN'T a group that focuses on vocals, so Lia's talents are being wasted. (altho Chaeryeong and Yeji certainly showed they could sing well in Cheshire) I just have a hard time understanding why JYP would prepare a group to be dance focused, to then reject a main dancer and debut someone who is very uncomfortable with dancing. The only reason I can see being is for visuals. Lia unfortunately stands out really badly in Itzy and has endlessly been criticized for something that is ultimately not her fault, but her agency's fault for setting her up for unfair comparisons. I wouldn't be surprised if that's half the reason for her current hiatus. Chaeyeon might not be "pretty" by Korean standards but imagine how awesome Itzy would've been with FOUR main dancers and 1 lead dancer?

[@JZL-hp5iz]

@@Yxxyn._ I feel like that’s a yes, and no kind of thing because we’ve had twins legitimately two different sets of fairly famous enough if you’ve been in K-pop long enough twins that were in groups together and people knew them as two individuals, even though they were identical twins. Look at crown pop or look at boyfriend. Those were two groups that had twins, identical twins, but people were fans. It wasn’t hard for us to tell which twin was which and also it didn’t hurt them. I feel like or the groups if anything and bought something new to the group because you didn’t hear a lot about siblings let alone Wednesday viewing in groups together so it actually bought a bit of curiosity which both groups ended up having I’d say pretty decent phantoms for coming from fairly small companies at the time because boyfriend was before starship really started being known as a company and before they blew up because of their legendary acts like Sistar. But I can see why JYP wouldn’t do that not because of them being related necessary but more so he didn’t want them to stand out more than the other girls. If anything I feel like him and his company have been afraid of creating a MissA Suzy situation all over again with the viewing any kind of groups that had members that were already well known it’s why I feel like he didn’t. They do her in the group even if he decided to her and not her sister is also the same reason why I feel feel like he decided not to debut Somi and based off of success herself being part of a produce group, I think that that company is like genuinely scared to death of accidentally doing that again because they had such a good concept and idea with Miss A but people focused on that one member so much that the other members weren’t even given a chance to shine. Like no one played attention to Fei, Min or Jia it was always about Suzy. Like it was so bad that even even when the other three members were going like variety programs on their own or together because they like to send like the two Chinese members together, they loved pitting. Min on variety shows she was really funny but it always circle back to Suzy About that and it was really bad and it happened at the very beginning of their career so for the next 5/7 years of their contract, no one really paid attention all over again that’s really hard not to debut people who already gain popularity, especially if they haven’t garnished that popularity for the other trainees that might be a group.

[@SoraiaLMotta]

maybe doing collabs with other groups / artistis can give her a more worthy marketing . But more consistent music identity is a must for any soloist I guess, because their "image" should be more stable then groups that can keep the status as more on the just "performers" not "artists with a vision/branding".

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I mean being a soloist is already hard as if you don't have the existing solid fanbase behind you. Music identity should always be a main priority considering that is the end goal, especially with soloist so hopefully we see a great turnaround for her.

[@Savannah-]

Chaeyeon is one of my favorite idols in general, I voted for her back in the produce days. I think debuting her as a solo artist when they did was a bad choice. It's not really a lack of skill, but moreso a lack of a persona. Often with groups a specific member or two will exist to draw people in, either by looks (visual) or general aura (face of the group). Those few members pull the general public and the whole group benefits. This can also happen with any member when they happen to really nail a concept and gain attention by fancams (think tsuki). If you're solo you have to be capable of being all of that every comeback. Solo artists already lack as dedicated of a following, so every comeback has to pull the public back in. I dont think Chaeyeon has the public support and attention, the persona and concept, or the confidence to pull that off at this point in her career. She needs to have a clearer vision of what she does best and how to stand out. And the confidence to pull that off. Right now it just feels random and unsure. I really hope she has a chance to debut with a group again. If not, they need to redo her whole thing and get her on track. She has the skills to pull in the public, she just needs to use them right.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, the unfortunate realities of being a soloist. Not everyone can be a soloist despite how good people might think their fav idols are. There are just too many factors that the soloist needs to have everything almost guarantee'd so that they can do decent. I do wonder what WM think their marketing is for Chaeyeon in terms of what they want her to convey becuase like you said, there isn't a clear vision to really know who she is as a soloist.

[@Behappy-1-43]

I hope she reconsiders other options aside from joining group after her contract expire. Like make her own YT channel and post dance cover or dance choreography, She is stable singer but dance is her trademark. She can still do the things she love to do without the stress associated in idol world and kept her earnings to herself.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Damm, lowkey feel like she could only do solo stuff after her contract expires. With all these audition posters talking about the age requirement, the crazy thing is that I think Chaeyeon would be too old.

[@infjhynn]

Shes my ult 😭 I hope nothing bad happens with her career

[@cloudchungxiao]

I feel like she should be relatively alright. I can't see her music career end short, but also if WM doesn't do more to support Chaeyeon then I could also see her music peaks not reaching that high.

[@nahli3779]

​@cloudchungxiao what chaeyeon needs now is her tiktok account to be active which can boost her popularity.she will be fine.she needs good promotion first since she is dance based person she need her own tiktok account .one of the main reason why kpop stans know her is because of her marvelous dance

[@Shanana529]

Honestly they could still debut her in a group just like Natty. I’ve liked her songs enough but I do also see that because she’s alone on stage she can’t go full out in hard choreo so she tends to have more mid hype songs

[@cloudchungxiao]

Wait, not sure I get what you mean. Why wouldn't she be able to go all out alone in a stage?

[@Shanana529]

@@cloudchungxiao Its just harder to maintain the vocals and have a hard choreo which is why I think her songs aren’t so vocally challenging but more dance focus. But even then I don’t think her choreo pushes her and none of her choreos go viral when really it should cause her random dance play did during izone days. I think this way about Somi too she was a pretty strong dancer but her choreos are so simple but it works I guess they go viral.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Right, finding that balance or choosing one of the other in terms of vocals or dance. I think if a soloist tried to balance both then that's maybe when you can't go full out. However, if you choose to do one over the other, than you can kinda over compensate for the "less challenging" skill but going full out for the other.

[@minaballerina]

ngl i can’t even bring myself to watch this bc chaeyeon is one of my ults and i don’t want to even think about her being unsuccessful bc it’s literally giving me heart palpitations rn rip even though i know she’s nowhere near as popular as the other girls (ive gotten into video calls with ten albums) but i hope people can get into her after watching this!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, definitely or even just giving a try because ultimately if WM continue the direction they are going then it'll just deter people even more. I feel like her career has made her known for so long so she will always be relatively known but whether it's for her music career; we'll just have to see.

[@SethVIB]

Knock was perfection, the following comeback pretty much ruined everything knock achieved by being agrocious. She would've been better not releasing anything at that point.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I noticed both Queendom S2 and Queendom Puzzle, a lot of the associated groups to the idols released music pretty quick after the show which the songs were pretty underwhelming. Let's dance defs needed some refinement.

[@yelenskareads]

Yes

[@jp42293]

in my opinion they should have released cave as the title track instead

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh I could see that. Not sure how successful it would have been but it's good switch up that continues to highlight her versatility. Defs would have been received a bit more than let's dance.

[@no1nswer]

I honestly can’t see chaeyeon back in a group she shines so much on her own. Seeing her as an mc too she is just so funny also

[@rabiatulsaad3421]

Agreed. She just need a good song. A song that really suits her the best. Girl crush or dark vibes suits her the best. She has everything.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Do you think she's doing well overall or do you think in terms of performance, she just shines more as a soloist than being in a group?

[@no1nswer]

@@cloudchungxiao Yeah I think the latter. But if she releases more songs like knock then she can definitely become more popular

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh for sure. The right music releases will defs draw better attention for her.

[@paigetremblay7380]

I love her as a soloist though I would love to see a Chae Sisters album with her and chaeryoung. Honestly their vocals would fit perfectly together and imagine the powerhouse of a performance it would be given their combined dance skills.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Have we seen much kpop siblings do collaboration singles before? But yea, that would be a cool thing to do. Even another collab stage would be cool too.

[@fallenaster]

personally i really loved her debut, but her other releases just haven’t really done anything new or interesting for me which makes me soo sad bc she’s so talented and i loved her sm in iz*one, but yea i agree, i feel like she should debut as a group because she shines most when she has other members to bounce off of. like her dancing, which is what she is most famous for, shined so much in iz*one bc she was surrounded by other members and she clearly put her own style into the dancing which made her stand out.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, from the comments I'm seeing, the general consensus seems to be that she would have suited a group debut. I'm lowkey thinking about this but do you think that as a soloist dancing, she can't really be compared with anyone else whereas in a group, she gets compared to other members in which that is where we can see how well she excels in dance?

[@fallenaster]

@@cloudchungxiao yea definitely, like you can obviously still tell that she’s a talented dancer in her solo work but it just doesn’t stand out in the same way that it did when she had other members to dance with imo

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, also with the response that I've been getting it seems like there's a notable difference between performance skills or prescence vs dance skills. It seems like Chaeyeon excels in the dance skills but something is missing or it's not consistent with her performance skills.

[@ImrdIstt.SH.]

i only discovered her after she debuted as a soloist and honestly i absolutely love her entire discography. i think she is slaying endlessly. i do think id like to see her join a group though at some point

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm, how did you get introduced to her? And a project temporary group or a full time group?

[@eternal_love7879]

WM seriously doesnt know how to handle the lee chaeyeon. what we actually want is her solo debut after iz*ome but they pushed her on SWF and became mnet's fave to play during the show then again she appeared on queedom puzzle but backed out after first ep. around that time, knock rised at charts. hush rush is experimental one, not well welcomed but knock made her solo career go boom. that's her perfect concept and sound. she's known for best dancer and hip-hop is her style. wish they keep doing it becoz it's doing great after knock era. as for now, she's currently active on her own youtube show. wont be surprised if she's transferred to RBW lol WM/RBW needs to push her more coz she's great talent that can be on par to chung ha and sunmi.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Can't completely put the whole blame on WM because they did have a whole predebut girl group while she was promoting in iz*one so potentially plans were gonna start rolling once she returned. However, RBW then acquired WM and then we saw the departure of all the members in that predebut group. It was relatively decent that she was still getting opportunities to stay in the limelight but those appearance also didn't help as much. Bur yea, great to see that she is still keeping busy.

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@sliverhalo9286]

I think the company is going to be a big issue later on down the road tbh. Especially since they let go of all those trainees. I just hope it won't be a Chungha situation

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that's true. However, because they were all trainees, Idk to the extent of how much that should influence the company being an issue. It's not like they were signed artists considering the two parties were mutually using each other to get to their destination. But yea, no idol should go through what Chungha had to go through.

[@_TinyHyeju_]

Tbh I think she’s doing just fine as a soloist! Her skills are good when it comes to singing and dancing, and knock was very popular, she’s even a great mc/show host. I think she just needs to find her musical sound/identity like how yena has. But that’s something that will only come with more comebacks

[@cloudchungxiao]

Definitely. I think she has the right factors that could work in her favor to properly thrive but musical sound is a real issue which is also a big factor in terms of stanability.

[@Nicolesid1]

I'm not in in Korea, but I heard when she was doing the most (ie post i.o.i) Somi caused domestic fans to burn out on her and I believe that is a bit of Chaeyeon's problem on that front. The other issue I see is that she is so good at so much. I knew she was a great dancer going into pd48, but her vocals blew me away and I became a fan. The issue there is a great track she can dance to is going to lack hard-core vocals as she is alone. In a group she could belt and do a dance break, alone it is all on her so her company has to think for each comeback what to high light. Honestly, I could see her as the new IU but fans of her as a dancer over a singer may hate this, thus splitting the fan base. So yes, she has all she needs to be a soloist but a group would help her get a break.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Not sure if I understood the first part. So she had too much activities that they were "tired" of her? Yea that's true. Especially with soloist who have to find the balance between vocals and performance/dance, there are very few that can balance both. That's why you can for the most part categorise soloist in either vocals or performance.

[@Nicolesid1]

@@cloudchungxiao you're 100% on that 1st part. People felt like she was doing too much.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm, this really must be a domestic thing because lowkey don't see her that much tbh. Like she's here and there but I would say lowkey she could still do more. Was this while debuted as a soloist or before she debuted as a soloist?

[@nnnn-sc2im]

I’m curious as to what you mean by “the new iu” because yea she’s a good singer but even when iu first debuted she was a better singer than chaeyeon and overall they have very different images and sounds

[@Nicolesid1]

@nnnn-sc2im Chaeyeon is amazing singer with great control and can do a run (high note) with the best of them, but due to Iz already having that vocalist she didn't get to show that off and now they don't spot light her vocals that way. Yes, her vibe is different, but she could be the soloist others strive to become. Sorry, I just saw this.

[@beawesome1112]

I've been a chaeyeon fans since pd48...i'll talk about this from a more realistic perspective.....my observation is that her fandom is a really small fandom..people keep saying that she's popular....but i think u cant just gauge popularity by looking at social media followers.....at the end of the day...her company will use album sales, events, brand ensorsements, variety invitation, magazine to find out how she can contribute to the company.....its business afterall... As fans...we just have to trust her.....If u have a chance attend her fan meeting...or events...chaeyeon is glowing...and even though the progress is slow...so my only wish is for wm to get her on events.....the more she gets to see her fans, the more confident she'll get I hope fans dont give up on her....thats the most important part...lets help her get that first win!!! 😉🙏

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, the sad thing is with the oversaturation, it's so easy to pivot elsewhere because that kpop idol isn't doing it for you anymore. WM isn't completely not doing anything but fan interactions and a better direction and we could potentially see a slow growth of Chaeyeon.

[@michime7860]

I love her new comeback "Don't" ❤ It's really good!!

[@cloudchungxiao]

It's an alright song. I think better than let's dance so in the right direction. Not sure of the reception it has had though.

[@amalio_3098]

Shes an iconic soloist whos where she’s supposed to be all of yall can try again

[@cloudchungxiao]

I don't know if she's built enough of a reputation from her solo work to call her an icon but hopefully we could see this change with time.

[@rftg1793]

She can do a collab duo right now. I feel that could work if not it’s a start! It could help for future projects with groups 🙌🏼

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh, any idol in mind to collab duo with?

[@rftg1793]

@@cloudchungxiao that’s a good question. I think Soyeon since they now each other. Hyoyeon comeback with Dessert came out great with Soyeon so I think it’d be the same situation with Chae

[@cloudchungxiao]

Interesting choices, would the Hyoyeon x Chaeyeon collab sound something like dessert? An additional dance collab would also be cool with those two too.

[@rftg1793]

@@cloudchungxiao I mean maybe they could have a twist at the bridge part idk

[@cloudchungxiao]

What kind of twist. I was thinking more like a dance break.

[@hohoho080]

Honestly i think chayeon, and even yuri since we are on this topic, are incredible as soloists. Their ability to hold their own to me makes them really good soloists. However for chaeyeon, like you said, she hasnt found her sound, which makes sense. Even popular soloists like chungha and somi experimented so much before finding their sound. I think she just needs time to hone that side because we all know she is absolutely stacked in the skills department. Im still bummed she lost her knock win by such a small margin.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I defs understand experimenting with time but idk about experimenting that much with a debut. To me, it really conflicted with the image of Chaeyeon as an idol. I do wonder how into Let's dance was she because that was an interesting choice to go for.

[@JZL-hp5iz]

I feel like she had something going with knock, but then they decided to go a bit on the safer route and I feel like that was the issue. The thing is when it comes to being a solo artist in K-pop, especially because of how overly saturated the market is you have to stand out you have to be doing something different. Something that groups aren’t doing something that other solo artist aren’t trying to do or touch. It’s one of the reasons why I think they were certain solo artist that just always stand out. Sunmi always seems to go for very theatrical visuals for all of her music videos in my opinion. They’re always somewhat out-of-pocket. There’s always some kind of like dance because she’s not a dancer, but she still likes to make and it’s something that most people can dance to without an issue. But the visuals of the music videos are just so I catching and the songs are actually good. The thing is you have to have more than just a good song. I definitely think she’s had good songs. I definitely think she’s had some pretty basic K-pop songs which there’s nothing wrong with, but I also feel like there’s nothing different with the music she comes out with. Chungha has that combination in my opinion of like that dancer/girl crush vibe, regardless of what type of music she comes out with even when she came out with more cuter title tracks like sparkle and stuff she just has that kind of vibe on top of the fact that I definitely think she reminds of a lot of bands that have been around in K-pop for a long time a little bit of HyunA and CL not in terms necessarily of like her music but the vibe that she gives off and the visuals that they go for sometimes it feels like it’s very coded like those two legendary female solo artist so it works really well.seen for a while in K-pop, especially with solo artist. If anything I feel feel like she hasn’t found her sound yet or her niche because I definitely think that’s a big thing. Most solo artist have some kind of niche that they’re fulfilling in the K-pop. That groups just aren’t touching. And it’s normally that on top of like companies pushing them that causes for them to have , that something that captures the super popular AlexA amazing and I think of her having such a unique concept even with her comebacks that had nothing to do with her story arc. She has build a good core fan base and I think that’s what she needs to. She needs to build back good core fan base because I do know some people who have been a fan of her since her produce days, but I don’t feel like she’s garnished a lot of fans since then, her fan isn’t as strong as it should be especially like solo artist. Because I always feel like that’s what a lot of fans and fandoms don’t understand is for your favorites and for these artists to be able to have fairly long successful careers, even if they decided to switch and no longer be an idol later on down the line, but they want to do like acting or variety or whatever it’s having a solid core fan base. Groups like highlight or GOT7 are able to sit there and leave their companies join different ones have solo careers still do group activities and still be thriving. Their core fan base was established. It was big enough and it was Hella strong that they would have no issue doing that venturing into different things. having a strong core and it doesn’t only have to be a domestic fan because out of the two groups that I mentioned one of them had a more international fan than they had a domestic one, but it definitely helped push them to be able to continue doing what they’re doing and to be successful. They’re not exactly the absolute best chart topping artist, but they’re doing Hella good. But it’s definitely hard to grass that core fan base and to keep it when you don’t really have sound yet or when your company doesn’t know what they want to do because I definitely feel like the company at this point feels like they want to play it safe but that’s not cutting it in the current market

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, sounds like a lack of a distinguishable direction is what you're saying which I totally agree. Besides dance, which is very generic and anyone can be labelled a great dancer, there is no other synonymous associations that Chaeyeon has to her identity. As for the core fandom, also a pretty great point. I feel like with the oversaturation of kpop, it's becoming way easy to be general listeners to artists and so there is such a large pool of general public in comparison to actual fans. Depending on the end goal for idols; there is so much risk associated with pivoting in any direction that might not be familiar and so to have the core fandom; it just provides the security of being able to authentically be them, try things out and also be content with existing without making the expectations of making the same splash equivalent to idols with a bit more privilege from other circumstances.

[@linhtut1414]

Hush Rush is still her best work yet, from the concepts to the songs, everyting was top notch perfect like, the vampire conceot ate so bad and the mv is literally one of my faves, but yall denied her so yall get lets dance instead... But i do wish she return to that concept, its too good.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think Hush Rush was a bit too jarring for a Chaeyeon debut. I think if she continued with that direction, she would have fell in the Dreamcatcher direction of being in their own lane but necessarily making noise like that.

[@kaiwen4105]

She HAS the potential to be great as any idol does. But she hasn't found her sound. She should have stayed on Queendom. People said she left because Knock was receiving praise, but she needed the boost. Even though EL7ZUP hasn't made anything new since they debuted (I know they're a project group), they still performed on the year-end music events.

[@claireshi7384]

I'm glad she left Queendom Puzzle tho, if she stayed then Mnet would've fxed her up. Mnet already did her dirty on Produce 48, and they tried to make her look rude on ep1 by downvoting everyone else's performances. Mnet will evil edit her if she stayed, which will harm her reputation.

[@kaiwen4105]

@claireshi7384 She downvoted to get off the show, not because it was evil editing. 😭 If you review all of the perfomances she basically downvoted EVERYONE'S.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I was lowkey thinking the same thing but EL7ZUP isn't really getting much activities to be thinking it'll do much for the current members so not sure whether Chaeyeon getting into the group would have done much but having her on MNET could have given her more general screentime. As for her edit; I feel like it was intentional that Chaeyeon stated she was gonna commit to the downvoting to give MNET content. Similar to Produce 101 where Somi was seen about to fighting someone.

[@jtomyhope575]

I don't think Queendom would've helped her. For example, Park Bom did very poorly on the show and her poor rankings had an adverse affect on her reputation as a singer in the current market (ie; it was clear her previous fame wasn't enough, and she went back into hiding afterwards). I think WM was concerned Chae's public image was at risk, and they couldn't afford that. Besides, Knock was doing well, so from a business perspective, it makes sense to focus on that.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think from a business perspective; it-ish makes sense considering how quick the next comeback after Knock was from leaving Queendom Puzzle. Not sure if they did much promotions for Knock though as it seems they just wanted to move onto the next thing to retain the attention from Knock. But yea, I think Park Bom and Chaeyeon were in diff position because she has also the negative reception from her drug scandal which plummeted her reception from a general audience perspective which kinda is the reason she wasn't able to completely maintain recognition as an individual in comparison to being in 2NE1.

[@andrinamukhi2139]

these are great insights! thank you for sharing your thoughts and for continuing to support chaeyeon

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks for watching :)

[@Sakadayumi]

Dont treated kpop soloist debut as special VIP ticket in kpop world. Everyone can debut as Soloist. People shouldnt obsessed the "getting music winner awards in 1 seconds" of successful. Im really happy about Chae Yeon debuted as Soloist If she debuted in new group, either her ex izone popularity will overshadow the new member or overshadowed by new member If she cant fit group's concept, she can build her own concept Now the stage is her own stage.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Definitely valid about the instant success sentiment. As for debuting in a group, it seems like it really depends on how the company deals with it. It seems like Produce 48 companies were able to leverage the success of their iz*one members while not completely ignoring the other members. That's the major difference with the post-Iz*one groups vs post-ioi groups. Then for concept, I highly doubt they would consider a concept that would fit the whole group. If it didn't I would atleast think they would priortise it suiting her first considering she would be the face of the group and more eyes would initially be on her.

[@jtomyhope575]

I thought that she was doing alright as a soloist, but now it's been a while since her last comeback, which is a bit concerning. She hasn't appeared in anything in a while.

[@cloudchungxiao]

She recently had her fan concert in Hong Kong and has been hosting her own internet show. Kinda doing things here and there but maybe from a general international perspective; it could seem like she isn't doing too much.

[@ying1296]

Good food for thought, thanks for this video. I’m a super casual listener to izone and have streamed Knock multiple times (voluntarily in my own will because that song is just SO GOOD). I generally agree with everything you’ve discussed in the video and can’t help but think about my own current fave who is also from an extremely small company (much smaller than RBW). He’s also currently in a survival group and I’m also quite worried about whether he’ll debut in a group or debut solo after they disband I guess it really depends on what kind of career path the idol wants to pursue, e.g. variety focused, or growing fame as an actor, or to continue being an kpop idol, or to become more focused as a singer

[@cloudchungxiao]

Who is your current fave that you are worried about? Only survival group I can think of is ZB1 so I'm thinking like Hanbin or Matthew. But yea, their are different variations to idols that you don't have to just only be known for your career as an idol exclusively.

[@sunflower-zk4jr]

I think RBW has a serious problem with being consistent with their music releases with all of their artists.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, lowkey something has happened because they used to be so wow with Mamamoo; then as they begun to expand, it just started to get worse for some reason. I do wonder how much influence they have with their subsidiaries though.

[@randomguy-kn7ye]

I am BEGGING for the song in the intro

[@riyagodwin]

bad news kiss of life

[@randomguy-kn7ye]

@@riyagodwin THANKS

[@cloudchungxiao]

Such a good song right? Defs should give the whole mini album a listen

[@YG_BABYMONS7ER_OT7]

I've been supporting it for a long time Lee Chaeyeon Already Suitable debut new girl group? Gen 5

[@cloudchungxiao]

It could potentially be possible. It's a never say never but nothing has screamed that there are plans for this quite yet.

[@guitarchris76]

Like most watching this, I think she is beautiful. Like with anyone there are times she looks better than others. I don’t think the bangs suits her face but I don’t think they look good on anyone with few exceptions. I fell in love with Chaeyeon when I saw the video of her just dancing in the studio to different songs. It was back in the IZ One days . She was just wearing jeans and a sweater, she as laughing and just being casual. I think this is the Chaeyeon that they need to put out there. She’s beautiful, she’s got amazing skills, she’s got a great personality and her laugh could make me smile at a funeral. I really hope that more are blessed enough to find her.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think one underlying thing that might just be in my head or there is some legitness to it is her confidence. She definitely lacks it and seems to easily relatively crumble and so her support system lowkey need to be big to life her up to show her best. Iz*one brought that support for her to continue to excel so well whereas now as a soloist, I don't think I can see as much shining moments.

[@guitarchris76]

@@cloudchungxiao I think you make very good point. She definitely seems to lack confidence. I think that her performance on Street Women Fighter had to be a blow to her confidence. I always thought putting her on that show how was a huge freaking mistake.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, there really is only a few idols that can actually participate and do well in a show like street woman fighter and respectfully, Chaeyeon was not one of them. I do wonder whether she still thinks about that or whether she has embraced and moved on from what happened during the show.

[@Arxhxz-ro1pc]

I really want to see her win and continue to do so and that’s my sentiment for all the IZ*ONE members!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, she really has potential so hopefully we see more growth.

[@badabingbadaboomboomboom3755]

Mother should've joined Lesserafim

[@AlgParis]

It would have made so much sense to have her with Sakura + the vibe of the group fits her a lot

[@cloudchungxiao]

Do you think she would have been scouted like Chaewon, Sakura and Minju? Sakura and Minju made slight sense but consider Woolim had Chaewon and Eunbi, didn't really expect her so I wonder if they would have approached Chaeyeon too?

[@OMGitsHaerinBunny]

I think yena and chaeyeon shoulda debuted as a a duo or eunbi and chaeyeon 😭😭

[@anon4087]

they could honestly experiment more with her makeup and outfit style. I've never seen her stages and is solely writing my opinion based on this vid and from what i can see, she suit halter tops/sleeveless tops best and tops that would show off her waist. She also need a more volumized hairstyle. Most of the makeup style i see here doesn't quite cover up her dark circles and the blush is either on the thicker side or non existent.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohhhh, never really delved into make up and fashion in terms of helping enhancing her. I mean also considering how much visuals are considered to the domestic audience; I wonder how much of an impact this would have assuming the releases remain the same.

[@Stay_Zerose]

She needs a group to flourish as talented as she is, alone she doesn't have what it takes to keep an audience's attention. As shallow as it seems she needed other people if for nothing else but her visuals, people payed attention to her and recognised her talent in Izone, people didn't need her to be a visual because that role had been filled, she was the main dancer, all rounder and the funny one, so it didn't matter. But on her own people are going to be cruel and notice and care, talent isn't enough to keep people engaged these days so a pretty girl could have helped her. Also while she can rap and sing, a rapper and main vocal would only ehance her talent. not to mention groups are just generally more successful. Part of me really wishes she had left her company and maybe gone to Hybe with Chaewon and Sakura, imagine her in Le Sserafim, the concept would suit her soooo well and she would inject some much needed stable dance and vocals. Sorry for my rant, Chaeyon is just my Bias Wrecker from Izone so I get so sad to see how her career has gone. Please don't come for me about her visuals, I think she is sooo pretty she just doesn't fit the standard

[@cloudchungxiao]

Nah, I think the general consensus is how you're feeling about the notable lack of "blank." She does have talent but the notable reasons of why she may underwhelm her is either music related or can be fixed by adding members that provide that same trait that might be missing. With Kpop being more than just music, it unfortunately really requires more than skill and talent to be succesful.

[@Stay_Zerose]

@@cloudchungxiao how is that not what I said

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha, that is what you said. I was just reaffirming you because you thought people were gonna come for you regarding talking about her visuals.

[@jacquelinebim3694]

i truly think chaeyeon is an all arounded idol, but the problem wasnt her debuting solo but her company isnt doing a good work promoting her. Her bsides overall are better than her titles, she only promotes an era for like 2 weeks and its such a poor promo. And i also think she lacks on confidence duo to all the criticism on her visuals. But i really believe she just needs more time

[@cloudchungxiao]

Do you think her B-sides are title track worthy? I heard that Hush Rush had good B-sides so I decided to give Danny a listen and Idk if I would have promoted it as the title track. It's hard trying to find the balance of the right song with it also being relatively general public friendly. But yea, confidence does seem to be an issue.

[@jacquelinebim3694]

​@@cloudchungxiaoI do think her bsides are better, like cave is way better than let's dance. But I do hate danny so hell no, but aquamarine and same but different is perfection. She's making a comeback soon and I really hope is with a good title

[@angel-jp6wf]

i just think people put too much emphasis on someone’s “brand” and “music identity”, she’s only put out three releases so far, who cares if she hasn’t found an identity yet??? i just don’t understand why some people make it a defining thing for a group or soloists’ success, i much prefer when someone puts out different genres of music, because it shows that they’re versatile. and what’s crazy is that people have criticized literally every single release she’s had (and ik that ppl will hate on anything so at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter) so now i’m confused on whether it’s really about the music or not lmao i think she’s perfectly fine as a soloist, and if she joins a group in the future, that’ll be good too!

[@cloudchungxiao]

The whole branding and music identity is part of the whole marketing of Chaeyeon. Something that distinguishes her from being more than just another generic artist. Being versatile through experimenting on different genres is possible even with a certain branding or concept. It all just comes down to the person being able to execute it which the title track records show that she isn't being given the right title tracks to really show herself. I wanna say most of her songs have not necessarily encapsulated what Lee Chaeyeon can do. Only Knock saw a mostly positive reception which was backed up by the resurgence it had.

[@everyxheart]

She should have just gone through with queendom puzzle. i guess hey wanted to capitalize off of the momentum knock was getting, but they could have done queendom puzzle and that at the same time. The group elzup (?) would have really benefited from her being in the group. I'm sure she would have won a spot in the group.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Defs could see her win a spot in Ellzup. And yea, even if she didn't make it in, would have just been good for her to promote herself even more.

[@ZoeLeigh01]

it's just actually insane that this stunning, gorgeous, beautiful person is considered not pretty enough... she is so pretty!!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I think this wouldn't have mattered too much if visuals weren't that important for kpop audiences because it is so subjective.

[@9cloudrachel207]

She’s group material not solo. It’s sad to see but we can only support her

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I will always give her music a listen but whether I comeback to listen more will ultimately up to what she decides to release.

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@frustratedsagittarius21]

I want to see Chae-yeon, Eun-bi, Jo Yu-ri and Choi Ye-na in one group ❤.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Don't think that would be possible but lowkey hopefully maybe like a sub unit end of year performance type of thing though.

[@huongho6302]

On the start of survival sshow veteran section, the volume change was too much...please consider fixing it

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm really? Recorded it at the same time as everything else hahaha. Did have to re-record a few words and sentences but nothing major. Can't really fix it without reuploading it but I will re-listen a bit more attentively in my future uploads to ensure there's no large volume change. Just confirming was this me speaking or Chaeyeon's Let's dance audio?

[@huongho6302]

@@cloudchungxiao It was Chaeyeon's lets dance audio. It should be fine for situations like if you're recording it or someone watching the video out loud, but I was using headphones and turned the volume up to hear you better, the audio came like a jumpscare for me, you should try re-listening with in-ears or headphone to see.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ok thanks for the clarification. Will defs listen both with headphones and without for my future releases.

[@miluves3589]

I hope she pulls a Donghan he also debuted as a solo artist after JBJ and then redebuted in WEi

[@cloudchungxiao]

Woah, JBJ and WEi, that's like two generations of Produce series. But yea, I wonder if WM would even consider this

[@minid0g]

I was looking forward to her debut and then it came out and I was like oh… oh no… Not only was it not my style but it was a poor choice for a debut and it seemed to pigeon hole her into nugudom. Knock was superb and a step in the right direction but then the really goofy trendy song that I can’t remember the name of… oh it was so bad. I don’t know how well it performed commercially but I dropped her completely for it. Don’t care for the artistic direction. Also, during her debut era, it became apparent to me she struggled a lot performing as a soloist, and worked a lot better in a group. Her next releases, she absolutely improved as a soloist, but I don’t know. I don’t think she’s cut out for it. I think making her a soloist was a very poor decision, especially because she debuted late and all the other post-Izone soloist girlies have not reached the same levels of success as their group counterparts, nor the post-IOI soloists. Not everybody can be Chungha, and that’s ok!

[@minid0g]

On the last part, she debuted a bit after Izone and all the other Izone soloist girls, I wish her company saw what was happening with the others and pivoted to something else, but I guess by then they had put too much resources into her solo debut. :(

[@minid0g]

As far as post-IOI soloists go, the only one I still follow is Eunbi and she is criminally underrated imo! Yena has some good songs I still listen to but I’m sorta done with her. Her initial sound/direction hasn’t aged very well and it seems like her company is sort of struggling with what to do w her next. Yuri never hit the spot for me besides Glassy, but she’s got her niche.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Damm, wait Let's Dance made you drop her? As in never gonna bother or still willing to give her a shot but not actively looking for next release? But yea, not sure if group debut was possible with the whole predebut group disbanding once Chaeyeon returned to WM

[@minid0g]

@@cloudchungxiao not actively looking out for her stuff but I’ll give her a listen if it pops up on my Spotify or KZbin! Or if she releases a hit. You’re totally right, I wish the circumstances were different. It seems like she got screwed over big time :(

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@killergrooves2438]

I love the songs of hers I’ve heard. I don’t like most kpop songs. “Hush Rush” was fantastic and didn’t sound like most other kpop songs. It sounded fresh and extremely catchy. But if kpop doesn’t work out, she can always switch it up and front a band and build up a fanbase that way.

[@cloudchungxiao]

A band?? Like Day6 type of band? Not the music genre but like instruments?

[@pennymikk]

Imagine her in Kiss of Life… just saying

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha different company but lowkey would be cool. She really could chameleon a few concepts and so she could literally join a few other groups and would work really well.

[@michime7860]

I loved "Knock" a lot

[@cloudchungxiao]

Knock was pretty good.

[@planetmarsofficial]

i could totally see her in a group like kiss of life or miimiirose

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh interesting groups. Did you hear mimiirose is getting two new members?

[@haze_lee]

she really need to establish a distinct branding, she used to have one, but doesnt really stick to it. like chungha, she was known to have a "black swan" type of dance while chaeyeon has "feather". she debuted with a song with a weak choreography which is very contradictory on her brand as she is a dancer. she gained it back with knock then lost it again at let's dance, maybe because of its brighter concept which is not really chaeyeon's persona. she has a serious facial expression on stage, but she also used to be fierce and intimidating, while being very smiley also. "big" is what i would describe her stage presence in la vie en rose era as she was so distinct and memorable from the rest of the group. I want to see that confident aura on her again.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, distinct branding + music that reflect said branding and we've got a winning combo for Chaeyeon.

[@queenchaeyeon]

Chaeyeon is SO good Hope she leaves WM soon And stops being ignored

[@cloudchungxiao]

Idk if she's completely being ignored, but they are defs not putting the right amount of effort, which is also subjective to people.

[@OMGitsHaerinBunny]

@@cloudchungxiaoidkkkk I feel like she needs more activities like , she should go on the masked singer since she can sing really well, she should go to knowing bros, have collabs with other artists

[@nahli3779]

what chaeyeon needs now is her tiktok account to be active which can boost her popularity.she will be fine.she needs good promotion first since she is dance based person she need her own tiktok account .one of the main reason why kpop stans know her is because of her marvelous dance

[@cloudchungxiao]

The variety programs are a real 50/50 because I'm not sure how it works. Not sure if you saw the news about Victon Hanse but her revealed you mainly lose money from promoting on music shows so I do wonder what the appearance fees are for variety shows that don't personally invite you. As for tik tok, that would lowkey be an relatively easy way to continue to promote her. She can continue to flex her dance skills while keeping up with the trends.

[@queenchaeyeon]

They gave her the worst outfits, makeup and hairstyles out of the group.. She deserved so much more

[@FeelingPoyChina]

I've been in kpop since 2007 and I've been saying this since then but no one is paying any attention NO ONE CARES ABOUT SINGING OR DANCING OR WHATEVER SKILLS IDOLS MIGHT HAVE IF THEY'RE NOT "GOOD LOOKING" FIRST!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Visuals do have varying impact to the success of an idol but it's not the end all be all and the way companies market an idol can influence that impact.

[@whatchahowsya8688]

Chaeyeon should've been in a group. She's talented but unlike Chungha or even Somi, she lacks a strong presence.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that's one thing that's been talked about a bit. Her presence is just not on par to maintain the ability to captivate an audience. Her dance skills are up there, but that's just one aspect of presence.

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@luv-like.a.papercut]

i loved hush rush, i love all of the songs and the concept but every release after that feels meh. she definitely would've benefited from being a group

[@cloudchungxiao]

Omg, you're the second person I've seen have this same opinion. What do you think made Hush Rush stand out to you?

[@luv-like.a.papercut]

@@cloudchungxiao i personally found it cohesive with the theme (? if that makes sense lol like all of the music felt like it could have an accompanying music video with the whole vampire in castles theme

[@Da_W1ck]

Rather than Chaeyeon, I'm more worried about Eunbi especially after her recent comeback. I feel bad at how she only gained popularity after waterbomb that hugely contribute her sudden success. But after that success, just look at sabotage...it's already been 6 days, and her MV still just got 2M views only. I know MV views is not everything, but it kinda telling. I just hope she doesn't have to do some more viral waterbomb performance just to boost her success again, because when she said she felt uncomfortable about that, I feel her, I mean, she even had to disable her comments on her insta back then, that's how bad it was. Idk what exactly happened with Eunbi, but it's weird and concerning. It would be interesting if you do some video about it, I kinda curious about what's people opinion on 'The problem with Kwon Eunbi'.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh yea, I feel like post waterbomb music has not really been my taste tbh. Defs thought her music career would get revitalised from it but nah it really hasn't. Like she kinda is doing more but nothing seems like a conversion to long term success. Will defs have a look into her potentially.

[@Da_W1ck]

@@cloudchungxiao After her recent waterbomb it got even more concerning. Not as much talks about her compared to her 1st waterbomb. Also, it's been more than 3 weeks but her MV still stuck at 2.5M views. Very weird. It feels as if her fans doing some strike or boycott or smthg. Idk whats happening..

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, personally everything from door to underwater was a vibe. Don't' really remember the releases after that, but I know this recent comeback of sabotage was not my vibe. Not sure about the reception of the song in general but the comeback does feel like it came and left pretty quick.

[@SyndroOmCani]

A big reason why Lee Chaeyon is flopping for me personally is just the style of music she gets or picks for herself. It is not a good fit for me, even though I defenitely like her, I just cant listen to anything else but "Knock".

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I think there is a bit of leeway that can happen even if the music is not people's style, but there isn't too much other things that she's backing it up with. Not saying there isn't anything but minimal things for people to continue following her journey a bit more closely.

[@yelenskareads]

Same

[@annmariatomy353]

💙💙💙

[@cloudchungxiao]

[@Dokemoni]

Honestly it is never a good idea to debut as a soloist in kpop unless you have the charisma and talent to gather a lot of people. People also always says that Wony should have gone solo because of her popularity but I dont agree. She shines more in a group than solo. It is way more easy to gain popularity in a group since different members target different audiences that can more or less relate to them.

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, group debuts give more of a range and there is less pressure to be a jack of all trades. You do bring up a good point that not everyone can be a soloist. It really is hard to maintain everything as one person unless you have that it factor.

[@L.G.127]

I like her as soloist, but if she chose to be in group we better support her even more

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, defs would have brought more and it wouldn't just be her attracting listeners which would help with giving a bit of everything.

[@Ana-xx7ts]

She shines more as a soloist though, her music isn’t even bad. It’s the picky fans who have stuff to critique. WM does need to focus on promoting better and letting her have to her social media to stay relevant.

[@Ana-xx7ts]

Other than that, not everyone is going to have automatic success. It’s better to start with growing organic success and a loyal fan base. That’s the problem with recent 4th and 5th gen groups. One song they don’t like and they drop the group. It’s better focusing on creating a large fan base than to be making many hits, while losing picky fans who don’t like the comeback.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I mean music taste is subjective so idk if it's necessarily picky fans in comparison to just general taste of music. But yea, more interactions could help retain her relevancy while she gears for another comeback.

[@lilliesinthegard32]

Going on that dance show against actual professional dancers did her a disservice tbh, knetz were sh1tting on her

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, it kinda put a dent into her most well known skill too.

[@Tsuyako-l9t]

Unrelated but I think you might have a great instinct regarding which artists you think need to get highlighted. I remember many people complained about your "Why I'm Worried about Purple Kiss" video because they thought Purple Kiss was in a safe position and didn't need to be talked as if they were in dire situation. And then BAM! They appeared on nugupromoter later on, meaning their album sales were low compared to their middle-tiered peers eventhough their name value is significant enough. You raised valid concerns and points that actually needed to be taken into consideration! Please do more of this type of video 🥲

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks. I defs will try too. I'm usually replying to everyone so didn't really remember much people commenting the un-necessity of the Purple Kiss video.

[@catsneeze]

i think the problem is chaeyeon's music, concepts and a lack of confidence or stage presence when being alone, because on izone she shined a lot when she was on stage...

[@cloudchungxiao]

Defs can see all of that. Do you think with more comebacks, she can fix the lack of confidence and stage presence thing? or does this require more than just getting more experience?

[@kenyz.hiireath]

hell yeah my fav uploaded

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks :)

[@runa_7022]

god forbid an artist takes their time in growing and finding their sound.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Defs a hard thing because obviously we should always give room for artist to grow and all that. However, with the way that kpop operates, it's not that simple to continue to find their sound. Considering the oversaturation of kpop artist, the amount of loyalty that people have to groups that aren't big company related is relatively small. But yea, she defs is still new into her career and with the amount of experience she has leveraged throughout her many years in the industry overall, she's one of the lucky few who can take a bit more time before people start to actually pivot away.

[@sappyzap]

if she doesn't redebut in a gg or redeems herself with a VERY good comeback I'm afraid she'll have to do acting

[@cloudchungxiao]

I feel like she would suit variety more than acting. I can kinda see her have the archetype that Eunbi has from the few clips on other variety shows that she's been on.

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@cloudchungxiao]

Damm really? Is there a source to this?

[@nahli3779]

@cloudchungxiao yes search wm debt rbw and you will find it

[@htc12]

Hey you, page admin, you have an answer to every comment. Lee Chaeyeon, have you seen her watching on KZbin, listening on Spotify, watching on Tiktok, and also being watched on her official accounts? She shines more than the group. She has more views and listens than other soloists. The people who come here and tell her to join the group are the ones who want to create their own favorites in the group and lynch her. You are so jealous. accept his shine also mclik is doing great he shines he is popular in a way you can't be

[@cloudchungxiao]

Okay not sure if I understand this correctly but you are saying that she looks through her comments to cater to her audience?? I think the whole soloist vs group discourse is subjective in perception even if she has debuted as a soloist. Wouldn't say most of us are jealous considering I don't feel like any of us are aspiring to be idols or to go through what Chaeyeon has gone through. But yea, she can shine as a soloist but it's not noticeable and not consistently. It's very few times where she has transcend beyond her core fandom. Not sure who Mclik is. I'm assuming it's a typo but also nothings clicking as to who this is refering to.

[@metanoiia_]

but Chunga doesnt fit the stereotype in Korea either other than being super skinny, she also shined for her dancing and has become a pretty legit soloist. in the other hand you have Somi who fits the standard as a visual but no one likes her music. i think it has to do more with finding something that really stands out over the others or just disappear.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I would say that Chungha may not fit all the beauty standards in Korea but it's not like there are lean either way to warrant major discussions about it. Not sure if people dislike Somi's music too. Might be generic from time to time but it never has been seen as really bad.

[@tzuxluvq]

She should've debut in group

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that's seeming like the general consensus.

[@zosiexofficial]

CHERRY BULLET DISBANDED?? Why???

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha on a Lee Chaeyeon video? But yea, it's so unfortunate.

[@ReapTheWhirlwind]

Tbh I would love a one-shot 3Chae project. All 3 are great dancers with stage presence and if they were to utilize Chaein's pen skills it would be amazing. For added Chae have a CL feature. 😂 Seriously tho, Chaeyeon just doesn't fit the current climate in K-Pop. Everyone is chasing virality and it's destroying the careers of small and mid size company artists. I don't smile anymore when lesser known artists blow up bc kpoppies are so fickle and I wonder if people even care about the music at all.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Damm, nice concept. But yea, the oversaturation of kpop and the need to chase for the type of success that is being plastered is kinda sad because we're really losing the impact of small to mid sized companies and also quality too.

[@kunpunko]

she really needs to join a group

[@cloudchungxiao]

Any concept or groups vibes you think she should join specifically?

[@htc12]

Hey you, page admin, you have an answer to every comment. Lee Chaeyeon, have you seen her watching on KZbin, listening on Spotify, watching on Tiktok, and also being watched on her official accounts? She shines more than the group. She has more views and listens than other soloists. The people who come here and tell her to join the group are the ones who want to create their own favorites in the group and lynch her. You are so jealous. accept his shine also mclik is doing great he shines he is popular in a way you can't be

[@klpl1737]

I think she suits a group better than a soloist. She’s a strong dancer but her vocals aren’t on par. A group would help balance it out and fill in where she’s lacking. As for her music. I didn’t like her debut originally but loved Knock straight off the bat. That made me go back and take a closer listen and it’s pretty good. I was looking forward to her next release and has heavily disappointed with Let’s Dance. I will wait for her next song to see where my opinion on her style lies.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Filling in where she's lacking is a definite thing. Despite her massive skills as a dancer, there just seems to be a overlook in the other aspects that she might not be strong at. But yea, like I've said, it's still relatively early so we can't count her out for sure. Keen to see what she does next comeback too.

[@nahli3779]

Aftr wm(chaeyeon's company) was acquired by rbw(mamamoo company) wm were told not to debut anthr group until they pay their debt so they had to let go of other trainees who were supposed to debut wid chaeyeon as chaeyeon had a contract with the company she couldn't leave and she had to debut solo

[@ishathakor]

to me chaeyeon seems like someone who just works better as a group member. and i personally don't like her music too much either. i think she would work better as main dancer for a group. while she can sing, her vocals still need work and it would be better for her both as an individual and for her career if she were in a group with other people who could handle some of the more challenging singing parts while she gets to focus a bit more on her dancing. i would love to see her in a small group, like 4 or 5 members. edit: also, sending her on street woman fighter was a mistake. chaeyeon is a solid dancer but idols who can compete with professional dancers and not look bad are few and far between, especially when it comes to freestyling. freestyle and choreo require very different skillsets. further, different dance styles also require very different skillsets. swf is mostly focused on street styles and the dancers who go on the show are either primarily dancers of various street styles or they're still able to execute the moves with ease. this isn't really the case for chaeyeon as she's more of a commercial jazz dancer.

[@CrownPrinceEdvin]

shes an amazijg voalist bro

[@CrownPrinceEdvin]

bro look at izone, she took all the hard parts most of the times and look at mama 2020 performanc eof her at fiesta, stop underrating her, watch produce 48, she was main vocal in almsot every performance bc she can sing

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, it does seem like the general consensus within the comments is that she suited a group better. As for street woman figher; that did kinda mess her up a bit considering how impactful that show was and so to tear down the image of that one skill she was good at; I do wonder how much people still relatively associate her as one of the top 4th gen female idol dancer.

[@gamechallenger8600]

@ishathakor If you don't like her music it's your opinion your entitled to it but at least don't belittle her vocal ability and try to research first. And shouldn't we applaud someone who pursues music and not just dancing? SWF is part of the challenge in learning without it how will she check her ability, how will she grow and progress? It's like saying to kids not to go to school because not all of them will be number o​ne. @cloudchungxiao Of course dancers with long experience are different too but looking it up in comparison from others even some kpop seniors (not degrading anyone, just an observation), Chaeyeon's skills and techniques in dancing can really be on par with those great dancers. So I really hope she continues honing her talent in dancing but music should be music first.

[@CrownPrinceEdvin]

@@gamechallenger8600 exactly shes an amazing vocalist

[@MBJK_baby]

3:33 I can sum this whole paragraph up into, create a dance focused group that Chaeyeon is the main choreographer and center of dance breaks for. That's all WM needed to do.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I was lowkey thinking about Badvillian when you said that. Maybe because of Emma but that would be really dope.

[@freila8156]

I thought Knock was a huge banger, but I didn't like her other single much.

[@cloudchungxiao]

From a general public perspective, a lot of people agree with this sentiment.

[@queenchaeyeon]

When she was in iz*one, she got the worst outfits and makeup

[@Behappy-1-43]

Even so we still know her as The Chaeyeon, the talented. Though being alone has given her opportunity to go out of her comfort zone, like I didn't really know that she can act (well enough) and have good sense of humor but if she wants to continue as a Soloist she needs to work extra hard.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Didn't watch enough performances in Iz*one but she did defs still establish herself despite this potential obstacle which shows that she can overcome things

[@OMGitsHaerinBunny]

But she was noticed as the ace

[@vesavius]

First thing to remember, HYBE antis don't actually care about skills. They pretend to, but it's just a way to attack HYBE groups, especially when they see those groups dominate their own ones and block them from wins etc. 90% of IDOLs from the 2nd gen till now have been mid at best vocalists... It's just an 'issue' now because YGE stans have led a hate train because they think in order to raise their girls they have to tear HYBE down. Second thing, the kpop fanbase is in constant churn, with older fans ageing out and new kids flooding in. This newest generation of fans don't know or care about the 3rd gen. Iz*one were something that happened to someone else. If you are from that gen and haven't got a rock solid fanbase in place already then, outside of a freak viral thing, you are at this point fucked. Third thing, she is a soloist from a smaller company. WM don't have the huge built in fanbase that the Big 4 come with and soloists are in general a harder sell to Kpoppers. She is also at a disadvantage because she isn't a AAA tier vocalist and so won't even get much work with OSTs, etc. I am not sure where she goes from here. I don't think that she will break through. She really needed the 'Dream Tree' group to work out in all honesty because she shines in a team. Sadly, RBW hurt every WM project during that aquisition.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha, I read that first line and had to double check whether you commented on the right video but then I saw the second and third para. Not sure where that first para comes into the conversation for Chaeyeon but okay. Yea, not too sure about the new generation of fans tbh. But yea, I mean I could kinda see two version of generic new fans. Either they (1) follow 4-5th gen only or (2) they know about 3rd gen but it's only the big companied ones like Twice, Blackpink, BTS etc. Not sure about the OST section? That's like more of a way to get more activities but the impact of doing an OST doesn't seem that imapctful to influence too much of a standard Kpop career.

[@blacklikethesun]

well, she can always steal sakura and chaewon back and call up hyewon. they can all be izone again lol also they should add lee gaeun.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha interesting line up. I lowkey do wonder whether Hyewon would still release music or will it just be the exceptions of if Iz*one reunites.

[@fayebai579]

Meh, i love Chaeyeon, and I'm not worried. I put my money where my mouth is, too.

[@cloudchungxiao]

That's cool. Hopefully we see some of this conversion in attention flow towards this comeback which is sounding pretty promising based on the teasers.

[@CrownPrinceEdvin]

@@cloudchungxiao wht bout her recent comeback?

[@cloudchungxiao]

Are you asking my thoughts on it? It sounded pretty alright. Like different in a distinguishable way but idk if it was my complete vibe. Might need to relisten to the highlight medley to jog my memory of whether it was the title that sounded promising. Hbu?