Kiof is now one of the biggest 5th gen groups im so proud of them❤ but i miss hot issue,, they were icons

So sad they flopped their comeback

Jyp pushed to be the first and ended being the last lol

Allow me to give my thoughts as a Daileee and Swith. Everything seemed fine and dandy for both Weeekly and STAYC for most 2021. The neverending rivalry between both groups and their fandoms began. One had a cute, cheerful, suitable-for-all-ages concept, and the other has an unprecedented audio-visual experience known as the "teen fresh" concept. The debate went on for a long time, both Weeekly and STAYC were booming. But then in August 2021, Jiyoon had to go on hiatus due to an anxiety disorder, and returned in December that same year, only to go on hiatus again in February the following year. Meanwhile, STAYC was triumphant, with 3 music show wins for "Stereotype" and 6 for "Run2U", the latter of which directly rivaled "Ven Para". Then June 1, 2022 happened and Jiyoon had to call it quits with Weeekly. This tragedy crushed the group and it didn't help that IST Entertainment gave Weeekly a 19-month hiatus as a result. Effectively that meant STAYC beat Weeekly in terms of popularity, yet "Beautiful monster" didn't receive a positive reaction by many in the Swith community (for who knew what reason). It mattered, as Jiyoon was essentially the member who acted as Weeekly's "driver", just like the other six being her petrol. Her departure meant Soojin and the others *COULDN'T DO ANYTHING.* Sure they did go to Jakarta for some kind of charity concert or whatever, but they still didn't get to make a comeback as a result of the slump they had. This is so all Weeekly members had to find a way to regain the popularity that was lost from them after being beaten by STAYC; through survival show. Monday and Jaehee tried their luck in Girls' Reverse while the other 4 tried theirs in Queendom Puzzle. None of them made it to the final group, Feverse and EL7Z UP respectively. Meanwhile with their quality that made them *THE* biggest non-big 3, non-IVE 4th-gen girl group, STAYC didn't have to go to either one of those survival shows which was fine by us, the Swith community. STAYC kept their composure despite the negative reception they got for "Beautiful monster", though, with 4 wins for "Teddy bear" and 3 for "Bubble" last year. Weeekly didn't get any for "Vroom vroom", yet this comeback changed their fortunes for the better, as they managed to hold their first ever fanmeeting, after getting back up from their slump. In 2024, Weeekly and STAYC had a comeback in the exact same month, with "Lights on" and "Cheeky icy thang", respectively. It didn't go as well for their previous releases, though, as "CIT" is their worst-performing song on KZbin, only having 11 million views, and it only had 1 measly win. Their latest song, "GPT", unless I'm mistaken, didn't get any wins. "Lights on" doesn't even get any wins at all. 2024 is almost over, and there's nothing to wish for but that Weeekly and STAYC will have the time of their lives once again in 2025. And hopefully, Seeun and Jihan will become the MCs of the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 in Basel, Switzerland. These young women are like the best public speakers of their respective groups.

The difference between both groups? Kiss of Life shows more skin and twerks.

VCHA is NOT a global group. It's an AMERICAN Group. JYP will have 3 diffrent Groups A2K (VCHA) L2K (his Latin American Group) And E2K (His european Group) He got Trademarks for E2K and L2K. That's why he only has americans in VCHA.

1. Vcha failed by going cute 2. They promote like a korean group. But hey, I still think Katseye are too tame. Hopefully they go harder when all are adults

Thumbs down why are there ITZY videos and not KATSEYE or Vcha….

NiziU did pretty well so JYP went and go why don't we do that again but America, failing to realize that the Japan and Western market is vastly different.

Here’s a tip. Next time put videos of the topic your talking about for example here it’s bc ha and katseye and not a random kpop group that has nothing to do with the topic your talking about.

UPDATE!!! CLASS:Y JUST ANOUNCED THEIR COMEBACK TODAY !! (like 40 min ago) LETS LOOK FORWARD TO IT!!!

what i love about KATSEYE is the actual diversity, having members from all over the world with strong fandom like india and the Philippines is very smart

Marketing definitely plays a huge part. If the company is producing a girl group aimed at the global market then the bare minimum is to do their research on the target audience group. Being a more polished group also helps. I don't know if any western fans would have patience/interest to see the group grow and develop from a highschool dance group. In the Japan idol industry possibly. I haven't watched A2K or Dream academy but in terms of debut era, Katseye definitely has much more impact and influence on social media platforms. There was the netflix documentary which brought them a lot of attention. "Touch" has been quite successful as well. With Vcha, I remember them having a debut song but then not much since?

What’s the intro song??😭🤍

Talking about vcha and katseye and proceed to show other gg

Vcha will comeback even though katseye is popular now , vcha will show . But pls dont compare vcha and katseye , it might upset there fans or the idols themselves if they come across all i want to tell is pls dont compare But isnt it just funny this person is kind of supprting katseye than vcha i personally think this is not fair to make video like this like them deciding they popularity. Well its just my opinion didnt mean to offensive anyone though but just tell me what you think about comparing groups thank you but i am not hating katseye or vcha Just want a neutral perspective. Love KATSEYE AND VCHA ❤

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JYP dreams about us market but fails agin and again

04:21 KatsEye didnt get the attention of US Teenagers or Young Adults of the USA unless you are an active KPOP fan or an American HYBE supporter who has an awareness. Example, if I asked a 1000 Los Angeles students from Unified Public School, only less than 30 students had heard about KatsEye. Less than 10 had followed. KatsEye is not the same level like Britney Spears, Pussy Cat Dolls when they released a song in the US, it made headlines and doesnt need promotions. For American, we find KatsEye quite conservative and was design on Asian Market. Not Western. Most Westerners like US were disappointed that who ever produce KatsEye didnt use their Vocal talent to the level of Beyonce or Celine Dion. And the way KatsEye dress up is so Korean Level not a POP Star. The only reason KatsEye got slowly raising its popularity most especially in Asia because of the NetFlix it gave awareness and Asian Tour Fan Sign and country's local tv sitcoms.

Katseye looks more diverse which probably helps The netflix show is huge. It introduces them to fans at scale (screens). And the top 10 of the 20 are probably equally talented except some are taller or have more eurocentric features. Their singing might matter more though since you can just tune it for concerts or downloads but not for netflix.

If we look at the popular shows that have been directed at little girls in the west like the Bratz girls, Barbie, Winks club, Hannah Montana, The cheetah girls, etc... the one thing they have in common is that they’re made up of fashiobably dressed women who act in a mature but not sexualized way and certainly not childish. And they all have a very distinctive personality. This is exactly the kind of image Katseye portrays. Little girls love to project themselved into those kind of role models, because this is what they hope of becoming when they grow up. This is why I disagree when people say Vcha’s concept would have worked years ago, because no, little girls have never loved that type of concept unless it was accompanied of a Disney show to distract themselves with. Katseye is the exact kind of group tweens girls would have loved years ago and are gonna love now.

Feel like i personally dont like VCHA, because you can see so many groups like them, however katseye is unique and create more fresh music that stands out. Also, VCHA members are so so young, i feel like i dont really support them for their own good. We dont even expect people to pick their careers at 16, however theyre like even younger, i feel uncomfortable looking at idols so young where with adults like that in katseye, i feel like its their career and i dont feel like a creepy person 😔🫡🫡 Also, katseye represent fans of kpop from all over the world, so even if they want to see the members, they will discover and like their music and become supporters. Like i listen to them even when i dont listen to kpop that much! And thats their exact concept! 😅 and they got me in k-pop lol

bro can y’all leave vcha alone and stop hating on them for something they have no control over

XG’s marketing is fascinating, would love a video like this for them (especially if you consider the dualities between the American and Japanese music industries)! I think you hit the nail on the head with the issues we’ve witnessed with Vcha. The name in particular…😬

I feel like jyp should of recruited adults instead of literal kids for a global American girl group.

9:07 This is what I want for Katseye. They‘re a pop girl group, not k-pop. Give them an album with like 13-16 tracks, each song being around 3 minutes long (and not two minutes. And don‘t just remove the fucking bridge!!!!!!) and have them release 2 singles before the album drops. Just how it works in the western music industry.

There are a lot of key factors that unfortunately didn't help Vcha but benefits Katseye. I know people saying they don't have the same cincept so we shouldn't compare....but they bot have the same goal to reach and that is to target the gobla/western audience 1. Their image: For Vcha unfortunately they don't seem balanced out or blend together, I'm not a 100% sure what it is but they don't fit as a group visually......they all stand out from each other way too much...not in a bad way but not in a group way either...they seem like a kpop cover group almost which isn't a bad thing all together but for the goal their targeting that's not going to work...for Katseye on the other hand from their visuals to even their height it just works they stand out but fit in at the same time which is something u want in a group....look at groups like Little Mix and Spice girls...the same can be said for them too Their Concept: This is something that JYP reallly didn't keep into account when making this group one bit cause the amrket his targeting doesn't listen to music or lioe concept like this...and if they do they moved towards kpop after the death of the tween/diseny era here in the west...so His doung a full circlr back to kpop by targeting a kpop auidence defating the whipe global group stuff.....for Kateye there a blend.....which is the point of the global group, their songs and concepts scream gen z as well as that girl group sisterhood that older girl groups had and it reflects in their songs, styling and hoelw they interact with one another. Both groups music also reflect from their concept. To summarize cause I'm going on to lonh😂 sorry i agree with what u said in the video and how u arranged your thoughs....good video❤👍🏼 JYP rushed and didn't think Vcha through and it shows...he sairt shot himself in the foot with out thinking....but Hybe really really thought of thus project in the long run..literally using 2years and getting help and advuce from western comapmy and advisors and also listen to their audience and it shows as well

Hmm i don't think it's about the marketing. Vcha doesn't have it. That so called "It Factor"

I tutor a 12 year old girl. I showed her vcha and katseye. She thought both were good, but really loved katseye. Even listened to their other songs. She doesn't really listen to kpop but her best friend is a moa.

Its so interesting how everyone and their mothers seem to making videos on vcha nowadays.

katseye took years to build. vcha was like months. jype did not do their research.

Vcha looks like a group of middle schoolers that decided to form a dance group together. Katseye looks like an actual professionally put together girl group.

It’s crazy how vcha never once got 1 million monthly listeners on Spotify but it makes sense when JYPE didn’t do enough so those outside of kpop would tune in. My friend who was abroad in the Netherlands messaged me suddenly about how they love Katseye and that touch and debut have become their new stimming songs.They had no idea about Dream Academy that formed Katseye and was still able to find out about them organically which is where JYPE fails vcha.

Marketing is the answer. KATSEYE's marketing seems on brand for a global group that is based of a kpop formula. They remain as an American girl group with a slight hint of kpop. While vcha seems more like a Kpop cover group than an American girl group. Also, that documentary did WONDERS for KATSEYE, it had drama, which is one of the things western audience feed and breathe it had emotion, it had everything . Promoting in Philippines, Korea and Japan and US soon, really expanded their audience. Their genz persona also really appeals to a wider audience than people who simply watched DA and their continuous social media presence. VCHA'S audience is mostly kpop fans who were watching since A2k, they haven't exactly tried to expand and go beyond that yet. Another thing is the styling. VCHA's styling is too restricted, like disney channel that isn't on crack not saying they should be sexualized. But the white princess outfits they wore when opening for twice( cute..for a kpop group which they aren't),the pink and white outfits for only one, the boring styling for youniverse, all seem very bland and it makes the members seem like they lack an identity. Their best styling so far is their cover for girls of the world, that concept is literally perfect, they weren't sexualized on anyway, it was perfect. Another thing is that they have 3 asian members who ignorant people would say look Korean despite being 3 different ethnicities, the diversity is there but i don't look like its there. Their name, VCHA, which is a play on a Korean word, is really tying them down to kpop. I remember watching the video if when jyp told the girls the group name, i was just as disappointed as they were, the name doesn't scream global POP group, I don't know whats its screaming but whatever it is it ain't it, it'd be fun to chant in a concert tho. VCHA also severally lacks star quality, like nothing captivating at all. And to all the people who say star quality isn't important bsfr when we have idols like Wonyoung, Karina, Jungkook, Jennie, the BRITNEY SPEARS, MJ, Ahyeon. Star quality is extremely important and is something vcha lacks.

in the future you should use clips relevant to what and who you’re talking about. how are you going to make a video about vcha and katseye and use clips of itzy and nmixx in the background?

Idk why everyone is astonished about the stark difference. It’s not that one is better than the other. It’s just that one has better MARKETING, than the other. That’s it. It’s all about marketing 😭

I also think Hybe took notes from Blackswan tbh. I feel like Blackswans company not only made a kpop group wih no Korean members but also seemed to want the members to participate in festivals in their own countries to show off that diversity while also showing love to those fans. Having KATSEYE in korea and the Philippines and LA (3 home countries of the girls) shows the diversity while showing love to the fans in those places. I hope they get to visit different states and countries that the girls are from in the future, they have so many fans in different places. I think Hybe was influenced by blackswan which us smart because blackswan is a very unique group with very unique success. Also the social media usage, Blackswan made use of livestreams and short form content a lot to attract fans. A lot of their viral memes are associated with kpop and helped people recognize the members. Although KATSEYE imo doesn't have any viral memes in the same way, I think using that content to create potential for that is smart.

Can you next time pls blend videos from the topic and not random kpop groups. For example vcha and katseye videos. It's a bit irritating.

As much as mean it is. Vcha just looks like a high school takent show group that's covering kpop songs. The members don't really have that star look that appeals to the western market, the west is just as picky as korea when it comes to visuals but the difference is that they're not that insanely blunt about it. Not to mention the styling they have makes them look like they're actors for skit youtube channels like Troom Troom or something.

Vcha just lacked promotion and seems to be targeting a lost niche in the west which is the tween market. Kids nowadays listen to way to mature artists and thats cause barely anyone makes good art meant for the tween market. Disney is burning rn and its unfair that there’s a whole generation of kids that go from baby shark to ice spice☠️☠️☠️.

Waiting for that joker with the name vchabetterthankatseye to comment on this video, lol.😂

VCHA is for like 16 and under Katseye is for 16 and up

I love vcha down, Xo call me is my song, but katseye are doing everything right like they’re having live events, collab, and fashion brand deals, they’ve done more than vcha in their 2 month career, jyp just needs to take notes from hybe and geffen market team😭

XG isn't kpop, they win international kpop fans but i don't think they win koreans fans, they promote little in South Korea in music show but is japanese, sing i english. They work for international kpop fans but that's the problem with XG, Katseyes and Vcha they will succeed to win international kpop fans but not really koreans fans. And one day if they won't succeed internationaly for international kpop fans, they won't have korean fanbase and won't succeed in South Korea. Xg, Katseyes, Vcha i heard only international kpop fans who talk about them, little bought their album but i wonder if korean fans heard about them... I think Katseyes and Vcha, koreans kpop fans heard about them because they're from hybe and jyp but i don't think they have solid korean fanbase like others hybe and jyp groups. If they won't succeed internationaly, they won't succeed in South Korea with no really korean fanbase in south korea. I'm sure for XG, if they don't have international kpop fans, they won't succeed in South Korea because they sing in english and don't have korean fanbase.

Katseyes and Vcha have international kpop fans but not really korean fans i think and not really non-kpop fans. Us non-kpop fans don't listen to Katseyes and vcha, they are unknown outside kpop fans for non-kpop fans and their sound aren't what is trending in Usa... So i think it can work only for international kpop fans but won't work in Usa for non-kpop fans because of the sound etc..

I'm not a fan pf Katseyes and vcha neither, they target international kpop fans not South Korea. I Wonder if they will succeed because their sound is kpop but in english, we can hear that, they don't adapt the sound for Usa, Usa trends nowadays isn't that so for me Katseyes and vcha are targeted specifically international kpop fans that's all. I Wonder if koreans are receptive of Katseyes or vcha because it's not really kpop targeted for koreans. Katseyes and Vcha have international kpop fans but not really korean fans i think and not really non-kpop fans. Us non-kpop fans don't listen to Katseyes and vcha, they are unknown outside kpop fans for non-kpop fans and their sound aren't what is trending in Usa... So i think i can work only for international kpop fans but won't work in Usa for non-kpop fans because of the sound etc..

Vcha clearly stands out, their songs of inspiration, hopes, and dreams, is really unique. Katseye is just another girl group, don't get me wrong love Yoonchae, Manon, Sophia... Also Katseyes members all had huge followings before their debut, unlike Vcha. Also Vcha has minors from the USA, so they have to follow US rules for minors working. Vcha has significant hurdles, unlike girl groups in Korea, where their minors working doesn't have those restrictions. So really this comparison, is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are great and tasty, neither is bad. Why people would try to hate farm this is stupid, and just adds to the stigma of kpop fans being petty and fanatics, ie crazy.

One of the things that frustrated me about A2K was that many of the girls also seemed more comfortable with a girl crush concept but were ignored. Specifically, I remember how Lexi, Cristina, Gina, Camila, and Savanna all came alive during their stray kids covers as that style suited them more. Those were also fan favorite performances. It was so obvious they should go with that style but they just ignored it bc they’d already decided what concept they wanted.

Katseye managament is bwtter but if were tlsking about talent then its vcha clearly katseye cant sing live have u haed their mr removed 👀

I think that it's not only the fact that VCHA's music sonically seems to target a more tween audience but that the media that tweens consume nowadays is quite different compared to when I grew up, especially in the west (I'm English and born in 2004). In recent years, tweens gravitate towards presenting themselves in a more mature way and also consuming music from artists with a more mature image than that of a disney star. On the other hand, I grew up admiring disney channel stars and listening to songs from disney channel original movies. Therefore in the eyes of teenagers, VCHA might seem like the kind of group that they would want to be friends with whilst Katseye is the kind of group that they'd aspire to be due to their more girl crush image. Overall, Katseye as a group seems to be made with the West's preference for girl groups with a girl crush image in mind. In comparison, VCHA reads more as a Kpop interpretation of a global group. Personally, I like the difference in both of their music and images .🤷‍♀️ It keeps things interesting.