The Lost Girls of Panama

[@fgrajales89]

I live in Panama, and this case obsessed me, you missed a few details, for example there was a taxi driver who took the girls to the trail, in the same taxi were 2 more persons, when the taxi driver was interrogated by the police he said that after leaving the girls in the trail he saw a car pick-up 4x4 arriving to the area... The most curious is that this taxi driver was found dead in a river 1 year after the incident. ... I heard that now the CIA is taking over this case and others misterious dead ocurred near the area, It is possible that a serial killer is near here.... May this girls rest in Peace and their family find peace in there hearts.

[@youta5]

Or organ hunter gangs.

[@candacegutherie]

Who was this guy found?

[@raymondvalasquez3992]

@@candacegutherie The taxi driver 'drowned' supposedly.

[@fgrajales89]

@@candacegutherie the taxi driver

[@khakilassie6226]

They told everyone on Facebook where they were going probably tagging their location. It's highly possible they were followed..

[@silasdenvermelvin8500]

you could post a case ive heard over 6 million times and i would still watch just for how high quality your videos always are

[@teslagirl1]

Yes. No bad computer voice mispronouncing common words. No odd photos of someone totally unconnected to the case pretending to be scared to illustrate the fright of an event. The photo slide shows of many you tube channels contain a lot of ridiculous crap. These drawings do a better job of illustrating the story.

[@UnkindPenguin71]

No joke! The quality of production always feels very high.

[@RaenbowBlight]

J Thorsson Nah, no mental breakdown. He's just in awe of your incisive wit and clever retorts. Well... either that or he's analyzing his life decisions in an attempt to pinpoint just what wrong turn brought him up against an intellectual juggernaut such as yourself... 🤔

[@DK-cy5mt]

@J Thorsson were you born a twat or did you have to work at it? Get off your mother's computer and do you your chores, silly little boy

[@silasdenvermelvin8500]

sorry you don't know how to appreciate someone who is working hard on their own channel?

[@MikeB071]

Heartbreaking thinking how the one girl probably comforted her dying friend, knowing that she was doomed herself.

[@raymondvalasquez3992]

They probably were never lost in the woods. They probably got kidnapped and were kept somewhere for a time before being murdered. The lost in the woods angle doesn't hold up.

[@PoochieCollins]

@@raymondvalasquez3992 : it looks unlikely the girls just got lost, but if they were straight away kidnapped, why did they keep their phones (at least for a bit)? My best guess is something spooked them off the trail (could've been creepy trail guide), whoever scared them left, and then they or some opportunistic bad person saw them in the woods. In any case, its weird that whoever killed them didn't destroy their valuables.

[@nczioox1116]

@@PoochieCollins maybe they weren't straightaway kidnapped?

[@PoochieCollins]

@@nczioox1116 : in doing more research since my last post, I'm pretty sure they were kidnapped the first day, and that the kidnapper was manipulating their phones. It explains why the 911 calls were only one attempt at a time, at pretty consistent times, and more importantly why they never called or texted friends and family. It was a staging.

[@nczioox1116]

@@PoochieCollins that makes sense. That's terrible. They need to question this tour guide

[@Chrisfragger1]

No happy story ever starts with "On the morning of..."

[@therandoms4502]

On the morning of June 2 2017 I met my fiance, won the lottery, bought a piece of property in Jamaica and I live happily ever after smoking huge blunts while enjoying the nice warm breeze as it sweeps gently past my hammock. No your right that story was just a fairy tail bullshit pipe dream of mine lol.

[@gladyslopez1922]

@@therandoms4502 😂

[@mooganify]

No, it’s more like, no happy story ever starts with “two teenage girls in Panama”

[@Delta806]

On the morning of that one day. The best looking leader of the USA went on a little road trip to Texas. Oh wait

[@Lucidopherus]

*S* *A* *L* *T*

[@Yet1moreUtuber]

Its the bones of the three other unknown individuals that were found along with those from the two girls, suggest something a lot more sinister .

[@kyalucero7977]

Cannibalism? I’m not sure

[@carolh.7134]

I remember reading a theory that said they​ got lost because of the dog. The dog ran off and they went searching for it thus getting lost. Imagine if this tragedy happened because of a dog that knew its way out of the jungle.

[@pachma405]

I've never heard about the other three before. This video goes into far more detail than any of the others I've seen.

[@LauRa-re9un]

@@pachma405 Yes, I read about it

[@dancersage]

@@carolh.7134 I didn't know there was a dog?

[@takeonparis]

The deleted photos can be retrieved. And cell phones contain location data. I don't know what kind of half-assed investigation they're doing in Panama... But this case CAN be solved!

[@daver1161]

takeonparis only if towers are around to triangulate a phones location. Had multiple towers been around a search area may have been easier to find. But no signal means no data on location. As far as deleted photos, in theory yes. But we’re talking about tech from 2014 which could be forensically different from the programs meant to deduce such info today.

[@sophiamelfi6305]

I saw this story on another channel and they had the photos

[@Blue-P51]

It's Panama, what else can we say..... Don't go there

[@carolcherrydarling]

They have limited resources

[@TeamLakers24]

My guy nobody cares about foreigners death

[@mayamiles1130]

In the JUNGLE ALONE 😳😧 at NIGHT, I would died from a panick attack

[@KDurschmidt]

ha ha..they said, if you read all..and study..no animals their eat humans!!!!

[@KDurschmidt]

not on Painista trail for sure..no cougars I heard..lol..you can NOT get lost on that simple, straight easy 3 mile trail if you stay on it and come back where it says to at the begining of the Mirador and Cont. Divide, you turn around NOT find a diff trail that you get lost on..see comments on the "taxi cab driver and their were 2 others in the taxi cab and a 4x4 red was theri too, all highly more likely the evil perps!!! Know this and only make smart comments..

[@allyson4483]

In a cloud forest too

[@davemartinez6317]

Maya Miles 😁Right?!

[@martaszefler3385]

@@KDurschmidt Apparently I heard that the sign to turn around and go back(at the summit)was placed after this case.Before the trail was easy,if someone knew that they need to turn around once they get to the top.There is always the possibility that the girls did not know that and went further,thinking that they will get down on the other side.

[@derby1884]

Their romanticised notion of the Panamanian backwoods was painfully naive. Very sad what happened to them but why do so many urban youngsters underestimate just how unforgiving nature can be to the unprepared?

[@mickharrison9004]

And all the drug fuelled lunatics lurking around.

[@lisatsuda]

@Pedro Ortega breaks my heart to hear about unpreparedness. It's so easy to take things that will save your life, small items sometimes.

[@punctuationman334]

Pedro Ortega got to love how the girls relatives went on about how intelligent they were when they made dumb decision after dumb decision.

[@SantaKlaus1981]

@Pedro Ortega to be a real adventurer you need massive artilleries just like what you said. These girls got almost none. It is like gambling and the stake are their own lives. They lost the bet.

[@priscillafreiburghaus8755]

@Pedro Ortega I think you never been to Holand or any country in Europe. Of course we have nature! In my opinion, Its more likely someone followed them

[@baronvonjo1929]

Imagine the girl who died last. Your friend dead. All by yourself in the forest at night with who knows what. If you go with the accident theory. But either way. If you keep thinking about it, it just is so sad that this happened. Their entire lives ripped away. Imagine family and friends back home. Like it's easy to just talk about stuff like this but when you keep thinking about it on a emotional level it's horrible.

[@princesofthepower3690]

I mean it was stupid of them , to go in by themselves, without a large group of people . The fact they barely carried the necessary equipment needed for this . The fact they didn’t have any tour guide or couldn’t communicate with the locals , the fact they didn’t give Mother Nature the respect it deserves. So many dumb decisions they made , they were pretty much asking to be killed . Nativity and stupidity at its finest , they thought the world was a safe place , where there isn’t such thing as bad people . They got brought back down to reality , the permanent way unfortunately.

[@SantaKlaus1981]

@@princesofthepower3690 they put their bet and they lost. Simple like that. I went into the wildest place with literally nothing....this could be their great story...but sadly...the stake is your own live.

[@Janellabelle]

She wasnt alone, unfortunately. Her killer was with her. Had they gotten lost they'd have followed the dog home that same night they left. The dog didnt just leave them for no reason.

[@aidacailar1126]

I agree. The worst part is probably the uncertainty. No one knows what really happened to these girls. They could have died painlessly or suffered immensely. Imagine being in their parents position. Horrible.

[@GoogleUser-lo7jo]

@@princesofthepower3690 Exactly. If you are going to this kind of places especially third world country, you have to prepare. We camped but we always made sure we were fully equipped, especially the gun and machete. We have a list. In such situations you are so stupid that you only carry water and yourself. Always think ahead, you never know whats out there.

[@17HMR]

Odd comparisons with the missing 411, such as the dog returning, the missing shoes, and perhaps the neatly folded clothing. Great video.

[@nuclearjanitors]

..........

[@nuclearjanitors]

My thoughts exactly bro

[@wandaburns8075]

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

[@bio-plasmictoad5311]

It's so odd that this is a common occurrence with these cases. Something is happening, and nobody can say what that is. It's incredible how they have so many similar clues that are left, that nobody can solve.

[@alinavaysfligel7249]

is this not one of the missing 411 cases? i thought it was..

[@mjames7674]

"Ok, has everyone had a chance to hold the backpack? Yes? Alright, let's go turn it in to the authorities."

[@kaleidoscopeon]

people in these remote parts of the world are curious. Im sure lots of them held the backpack due to curiosity until some one decided to hand it over to the authorities.

[@KDurschmidt]

ha, ha, ha yep!!!

[@danielacordero3376]

lmao this comment is a year old but I'm all pissed about the coronavirus and this made me laugh. Thanks!

[@KDurschmidt]

@@danielacordero3376 If you keep believing fake gov. bioware fair tacks (AKA: Corona virus) and not stop them from taking our moneys, making fake viruses to kill us and wake up and fire their evil beings, then you deserve what you get. Yank them out of office, and put in only Constitutional Party Candidates or Green Part, or NO gov...how many brains does that take?? They our money to kill us?? If humanity does not wake up and change important things instead of comments on KZbins, they WILL be dead soon!!

[@deepstariaenigmatica2601]

@@KDurschmidt idiot

[@jac9963]

It's pretty obvious that you don't find five bodies in the same exact spot, even if "the region is dangerous" on that side, and one not consider it foul play, in the case at hand. Avoid that local tour guide when you visit those mountains in Panama, okay

[@SantaKlaus1981]

avoid the trouble...just hire them..if something happened...these guides would be skinned alive...but if you refuse to do that...well...if i were the guide i would happily to let these girls dying in the woods...

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

The place where the girls were found sounds like a serial killer's dump site.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

The bottom of a River? The main issue with that is that it is not uncommon at all for remains to be washed up on shore especially in regions which are susceptible to flash flooding. I'm also inclined to believe would have the sense to actually to hide or bury evidence of his/her crime rather than leaving it within plain view of a nearby village.

[@adambryan411]

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[@decoparadise4194]

@@stewpitt8388 They got lost in the dense jungle and perished and you would to.

[@decoparadise4194]

@@stewpitt8388 I said if you got lost in the dense jungle you would die. I'm saying it could happen to anyone. It's rude to assume that these two dead women were doing sex tourism.

[@decoparadise4194]

@@stewpitt8388 The good thing about Panama's dense jungles is that it has provided protection to many surviving native Panamanian tribes from European colonization.

[@wazgod6306]

just found this channel recently and have been chugging through the content. love what you do mate.

[@karenhall8596]

I just found this channel recently, as well. (And, yep....I'm binge watching!!!) 😀

[@itsjustmyopinionbut1671]

Waz God SAMEEE

[@cobrahklutch9779]

I did the exact same a couple months ago lol I love this channel along with the paranormal scholar top notch stuff

[@kristopherpoulsen653]

I was so sad when I got to the lighthouse episode. I finished it and then immediately went to click on the next one... BUT THERE WERE NO MORE 😭

[@Free_Krazy]

@@kristopherpoulsen653 i know what that feels like.....

[@smithofsmiths1872]

One of the theories is that she used the camera flash to illuminate the darkness and/or scare off something in the jungle that she may have believed was stalking them.

[@Triplebrc]

@It's a Bunnay Pretty hard to imagine how that must have been like for them. Jungle at night is pitch black due to the dense vegetation, lots of unknown sounds coming from all directions, hunger getting worse with each passing hour, pretty likely that they used the camera to light their way especially given how steep the terrain was in that specific area. I feel bad for them even though it is mostly their own fault for getting into that situation, some people never get taught that being woefully underprepared and naive can go really wrong, and these sadly two never got the chance to learn from their mistakes.

[@PoochieCollins]

@@Triplebrc : I think their biggest problem in the jungle would've been water. Can go weeks without food, but days without water. I presume that drinking river water wouldn't have done them favors.

[@Triplebrc]

@@PoochieCollins Water is definitely a big issue, though I doubt 2 skinny european girls would be able to go for weeks under physical stress given their bodies have little fat reserves to rely on. It is more likely that they weren't in that type of situation at all, but were victims of a crime instead, many signs point to that, but it is still interesting to simulate surviving situations in this case.

[@PoochieCollins]

@@Triplebrc : the last phone signal attempt was done I think 11 days after they lost contact with civilization, so it wouldn't have been weeks. That said, that'd still be an amazingly long time for either one of them to survive with the lightest of supplies. There is evidence pointing to foul play, but you'd have to conceive of a fantastical scenario to explain the emergency calls and phone pix to explain someone else having their phones. This case is weird as hell.

[@marcelalopez9053]

Why did they used the camera flash? The phone itself didn't have a flashlight ? This photos suggest to me someone who was curious or didn't know how to used a camera took them.

[@adambryan411]

How in the hell do you not have more subscribers??? Seriously, these videos are superb. There's not a better KZbin channel dedicated to these types of mysteries, anywhere. Just keep doing what you guys have been, and sooner or later, hopefully the former, this channel is going to blow up. Again, this is tremendous work. Thank you For your dedication

[@itsmackenzie]

I agree. I have been watching these type of videos for a couple of years now and not once has the channel ever been a recommendation for me. I just recently heard about it on a reddit thread of someone asking about for recommendations for channels like this. Now it is my favorite channel.

[@adambryan411]

Keirnoth This.

[@itsmackenzie]

@Keirnoth good point.

[@dominicchessington7211]

@@cynlovespugs His voice is great for stories like these, if you don't like it then simply go somewhere else. What are you? A dumbass?

[@malik87breaker]

Make some kinda gofundme. Advertize in a platform (maybe facebook?). There problem solved :D

[@The-Wolf-with-no-name]

Very sinister case. The fact the there is a photo of one of the girls hair - she could be dead when that picture was taken.

[@mencot89]

I cant help thinking she couldve been dead at the time or if it’s a severed head

[@leaossandro]

very similar to synthetic wig and no real wet hair, absolute Fake and scary

[@tylertate3584]

Went on a hike with my brother-in-law the other day. We’re young and fit. Familiar territory and flora. Well trodden path. Good conditions. We ventured a few hundred feet off the trail to get a better look at a diseased pine (it was growing in a cool corkscrew). After we got our look, we realized that we had lost the trail. Broad daylight, flat terrain, undergrowth less than waste high. Nature is both underestimated and unforgiving. Were we in unfamiliar territory, we could have easily gotten truly lost

[@SamuelBlack84]

I've always hated being lost

[@clairejohnson4633]

As an experienced hiker, the number one fucking rule is that you never, ever leave the fucking trail for ANYTHING! Even if you are familiar with a trail, you never leave it. You're lucky you both didn't die and were able to find your way out.

[@decembrie23]

@@clairejohnson4633 These girls had only one small bottler of water on them, no food, no nothing. I go for walks like that in my local city park, not in a freaking jungle. They were so irresponsible. The last photos taken off the trail show how dense the vegetation was. What did they think? That google maps will help them find way back to the trail? Today's youth relies too much on their phones for literally everything

[@JWildberry]

I'm sure she used the camera as a light source to scare someone/something off, to try to signal in place of a flare in case someone was looking for them, or to look in the direction of sounds that frightened her. I don't think she would be walking around in the middle of night, not unless someone was after her. To be honest, there are so many weird things going on here that I don't agree with the "getting lost" theory being the most plausible one. Why is foul play considered to be less likely than two girls on a day trip in an unfamiliar area walking off the path without their local dog companion?

[@mobileasaurus]

J Wildberry that gets to me too. Why did the dog leave? Why wouldn't they follow him if they were lost? Dogs have great sense of direction. Makes me wonder if someone scared him off. So many questions but this is one I'd really like to understand.

[@truecrime59]

Couldn't someone else have possession of the camera... Having taking it away from them and it could have been the murder who tried to access the telephone. They were hunted by a human predator - some sick person who tracked them down... Carry a gun!!!

[@KoT-ew2dk]

Wildmen/Sasquatch

[@marbananta]

@@mobileasaurus Maybe they couldn't catch up with the dog since it ran faster & they lost track of it.

[@batshebaeverdene1158]

@@mobileasaurus most probably because the dog isn't completely loyal to them and was hungry and ran home. My theory is that one of them got badly injured, like from a fall or something maybe they even got separated? , and eventually succumbed to her death the second one trying to use her phone because hers is dead but couldn't guess the password hence the failed attempts. Anyway, why didn't the murderer get rid off of all the evidence and just let them become random bones? Why would he/she leave the bag and the pants to be found? And nothing else is ever found on those three other bones? No clothing belonging to those people? It's mysterious in any case..

[@sirrliv]

My question is why has this questionable "tour guide" never been arrested and brought in for questioning regarding this case. Even if it is all circumstantial, there seems to be far too much evidence pointing at him, between his past reputation for inappropriate behavior toward female tourists, enough so that he was known for it in the community, reports, unconfirmed as they may be, of him approaching the pair less than a day before their disappearance, and the proximity of their remains being less than half a mile from his ranch. All told, these seem like too many coincidental factors for authorities to ignore, so why has he not at least been brought in for questioning, being the obvious prime suspect? Or was he brought in and that detail was just omitted from this telling of the story? I'd also be curious if the locals suspect this man, even if the authorities don't, and if he's been ostracized from the area, made aware that his behavior and the suspicion thrown on him by this case is bad for business for all tour guides in the area, and therefore that he is not welcome there anymore.

[@playcebovision5319]

latin American countries are bit less fast and loose with people they don't like, especially in those really small towns in villages. If you're known for being a bad person with possibly vile intentions, you'd be run out of town. Perhaps the tour guide wasn't involved, but it still seems so sketchy...perhaps there was another person, or persons, but those persons were never found or suspected.

[@LoLMasterManiac]

There is no doubt that the tour guide has killed them. It's so strange how he got away with that, not even being questioned by the police.

[@angelbear_og]

@@LoLMasterManiac How do you know this? Are you a witness?

[@kyalucero7977]

It’s a common occurrence when it comes to organised sex crime, human trafficking rings, even cannibalism. Tour guides even on western cruises can be involved in cases like these.

[@morrisondavidson8814]

@@LauRa-re9un no.. it's not.. white females are huge targets for the sex trade, or any rapist/killer in general. He's not calling all white females dumb, he's just making an exaggerated example out of these two women.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Those poor girls must have become terrified beyond words...

[@eggshells652]

André Linoge I was thinking the same, may the rest in peace

[@HayDayEveryday]

@@eggshells652 they* though

[@TopsyTriceratops]

Those poor women...I don't understand why people go places thinking it is safer to be there, or even safe at all. Bad things are everywhere, and there is no true paradise. Not anymore.

[@saberbo89]

TopsyTriceratops Libetards girls are strong they dont need WHITE MAN ...

[@fuccwit9098]

SaberBo89 yes, because having some presumably equally inexperienced European dude would’ve really helped them out...

[@ChuloInYourCulo]

@@saberbo89 wow dude what an epic meme. Fucking game over yourself

[@DinnerForkTongue]

There never was a true safe paradise. That's nothing but a city dweller fantasy.

[@maximus0307]

Yeah lets just all stay home. Its a lot safer!!!

[@drp1bb856]

I remember when I first heard about this. When I saw the pictures it gave me the chills. If they did get lost what a terrifying environment to be in unprepared. Knowing your only source of light is from your phones camera flash. I’ve always been a firm believer in better to have something and not need it, than need it and not have it.

[@varanid9]

Yup. Especially a firearm.

[@aheimdahl5201]

varanid9 In addition to that, a dang Flashlight with a pack of Batteries. Why Folks nowadays depend on just the light on the Cellphone (which helps exhaust the Cell's Battery power) is beyond me. Its almost like Technology is making Folks stupid. Especially if one is going into an environment like that - bring a freaking Flashlight, for goodness' sakes.

[@callmewaves1160]

@@aheimdahl5201 it is. Smart phones can do many things but one thing is for sure: tge battery power amount often does not reflect the phones abilities. Also, the ability to call anyone is strongly diminished when you are in any area that either blocks phone signal or has no signal towers near by.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@Jake Dean They were clearly in way over their heads. You just don't go hiking carrying fuck all like that.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@aheimdahl5201 This. So much this. Seriously, a torch+battery+charger combo from Convoy or Sofirn is super cheap and effective nowadays, you have absolutely no justification to not carry your own portable light source.

[@Nemesisworks]

Imagine: In darkness your predator can see you but you can't see anything. That's very scary.

[@SueWoo702]

Imagine the fear to use your phone 77 times in a day to call 911.

[@stacitaylor1064]

Ilm o Fun horrifying...

[@davemartinez6317]

Mary Cohen 😁👍👍

[@Nemesisworks]

@Mary Cohen thanks, corrected.

[@2147B]

If you're a human in the woods with no light every other breathing animal can see you from far away. Do not EVER go on a hike with out a flashlight and extra batteries in your pack, no matter the time of day. I won't hike anything with out extra food water batteries, rain jacket and dry clothes.

[@kat-xz9nf]

Ah, yes, when I was 15 I went to boquete with my mom whose native country is Panamá. She told me about this story, and apparently a lot of locals think that they may have been cannibalized by tribes... let me tell you, Boquete IS beautiful, but you’re basically sitting in a valley surrounded by nothing but thick mountains and jungle; the conditions and climate are often harsh, and I don’t know why any females would attempt to travel through it unguided in a foreign developing country.

[@andrewhart27]

Boquete is so beautiful

[@Rihcterwilker]

I know it has nothing to do with anything, but "boquete" means blowjob in portuguese. Can't help but think about that everytime i see someone talking about this case.

[@BISMARCK-ks5it]

Oh come on Just because they are girls doesn't mean they need men to protect them they fell victim to some depraved killer these two beautiful women didn't have a chance he had killed 3 others already it happen everywhere all over don't act like Panama is the only place where girls are in danger

[@buttlipkins93]

@@BISMARCK-ks5it... What? Clearly they needed a man to help them... Ya know they died out there, right? Can't feminist tweet your way outta the jungle.

[@thirdghost8887]

@@BISMARCK-ks5it Yes, it can happen anywhere, but a fairly large number of foreign tourists, including men, have gone missing from this area before and since this incident. The point is that people need to be a little smart. Anyone who explores jungle or wilderness needs to be aware that they are putting themselves in a potentially dangerous situation. If you're going to do something like this, male or female, go with a group and yes, hire a guide.

[@jamesdudeson7113]

Honestly, nobody else does it like you guys do. I've watched a lot of videos on this case and I STILL learned something new here, particularly about the girls themselves. The way you show respect and tell us a little bit about them makes the tragedy of this case far more human and the end was really quite touching. Awesome job. Love this channel.

[@devlinosiris2059]

The pk5 ti.

[@TheRightLadder]

You don't need the pin to make an emergency call, so that's not right.

[@KingJaz4u]

excellent rermark. thats true !!

[@vg4461]

Thing is, with most phones being manufactured abroad with foreign software as their phone must have been Dutch, the numbers for emergency changes from country to county. It would hardly be the 911 or else input that the phone allows you to dial while locked.

[@temanihox5716]

I think one of the girls tried to leave a message to their families or explanation what happened as she realized that she might die. And since it was her friends phone and she already passed, or probably was unable to communicate anymore, she didnt knew the pin and also couldnt get it...

[@matthewb5364]

But you can also swipe from the corner to record a video, also without logging in. Either there is a cover-up, or their issue was phone signal in the remote area.

[@nczioox1116]

@@matthewb5364 keep in mind phones were a little different then though

[@shaindarkart5412]

this case scares the crap outta me everytime i hear about it.

[@InAshesOfDreams]

I get so excited when I see you've post! So, in my little opinion... you are definitely doing something right! Keep up the awesome work!!!

[@AM-hr5mw]

I watch a lot of true crime cases, but for some reason this case is the only one that genuinely terrifies me. I think its cause either option is equally terrifying- either they got lost, and one of them had to watch her best friend die then try to survive herself in unfamiliar terrain, or these two girls had to deal with being pursued by someone or something in the middle of the Panama jungle for nearly two weeks. The pictures are so scary themselves, the aura around them scares me so much, I cant imagine being there when the photos were taken. I dont like to think of why the photos were taken. I have a hard time thinking she took them to light her way cause a lot of them are so clear. Assuming she was walking wouldnt the photos be blurry? Idk. I have no idea what happened here and any possibility is genuinely horrifying. I like to think they died suddenly and not in pain, but sadly that's likely not the truth. I hope we can find out what happens so their families can find peace

[@エマニュエル4ever]

If you listen to the Lost In Panama Podcast, you'll discover that they were murdered ny a local drug dealer and their budies on day 1!, that's why the body remains are so scattered and there's no pictures after 2 PM of the same day!

[@More_Row]

Yay Also, nothing is scarier than real life.

[@utsubo36]

An animal well known as "human" being. They are able to lie, kill, steal, ... destroy each others for them own pleasure and interesting.

[@joshjansen9836]

Moriarty Vivaldi I prefer real life. Just like when some friends and I went out and drove along Clinton Road in Virginia and ended up shooting a bunch of shotgun holes in the front windshield of a big rig.

[@christiangallien3730]

I really appreciate your respect you give the victims in the cases you cover on this channel.. We too often become too analytical when looking at mysterious disappearances such as this, and forget that human beings are the victims of these tragedies.

[@geoffmoore1828]

Interesting that said “creepy tour guide’s” ranch was never investigated. He had also tampered with evidence, going into the room they were staying in and messing with their shit before authorities became involved. They were murdered.

[@franciemclaughlin]

If he went to their room and messed with their belongings before the authorities got involved, then he is very much the suspect! Be good for a reporter to do a documentary on this and interview the locals there!

[@calebgooding5298]

They should just put a lie detector on him

[@mencot89]

He even accompanied the parents retrace the trail after the deaths. There are reviews on TripAdvisor saying this specific tour guide had touched her uncomfortably. His actions afterwards (going into the room first before police) and his turned down invitation for excursions the day before were very suspicious. Idk what did the police think by not investigate him thoroughly. That’s why this will stay a cold case because there are simply no new credible leads because the investigators didnt bother looking. It could be that he was innocent but there are too much suspicion needed to be cleared first.

[@nelixsulu6201]

Maybe the tour guides are in cahoots with the killers or cannibals tribes there

[@Janellabelle]

They were definitely murdered.

[@alinavaysfligel7249]

i think that creepy tour guide had some involvement. overly "friendly" people like that don't take rejection well and he could have snapped very easily. also wtf is the deal with the 3 other unidentified person's remains?? did they collect these remains and try to match them to other reported disappearances in the area? that could be a key. and i agree that it is very strange that none of the big bones or skulls were found. where would they go? i don't think it was an accident..at least not all of it.

[@kenlee1416]

If it were a serial killer, it's possible the killer took the skulls/heads as momento/souvenirs instead of the victims' possessions.

[@kenlee1416]

To ponder: www.thedailybeast.com/murderous-vacations-serial-killers-stalking-the-panama-highlands

[@BuffaloCrows]

Agreed. He sounds sus.

[@AngrySingingPepe]

Obviously taken as trophies ! Bleached bones?! For display not only

[@TheGothGaming]

im from Panama. many years ago police catched a serial killer dubbed 'Wild Bill' in Chiriqui (province where the town of Boquete is located). his name is William Dathan Holbert, an american. he is still in jail. this was way before the dutch girls case, I wouldnt rule out the possibility of another killer.

[@snipedude4953]

A very sad occurrence.

[@browniniobrowni2074]

Yeah well thank the rapist mestizo tour guide who killed them

[@thequietestengine]

Mikey Turcanu, you really broke my heart in this episode. That image of the girls with one wounded and the other crying, and the shot of them in colour towards the end... rarely do I need to stop and compose myself after listening to these stories, but those visuals did it for me. Thank you for your hard work, and to all who tell us Bedtime Stories

[@flyingmonke]

Lmao cry more

[@ddc2957]

Flying monkey when someone you care for dies (& it will happen) you will feel like the stain you are having written this. Grow up.

[@RenerDeCastro]

I honestly love the detail and effort you guys put into all these episodes. It doesn't feel manufactured and sensationalized like most other channels that discuss similar topics here.

[@elbertderf803]

i go for serial killer, too many deaths in too short a time....there were bones of 3 others.

[@QuestionThings123]

I agree with you too. Too much evidence pointing that direction. Someone needs to really investigate that "your guide", the one that several others complained was acting inappropriate towards their girlfriends. Those two women definitely weren't ugly, and I know how popular Panama is for tourism, hell a huge chunk of my graduating class went there for their graduation trip, and it's kind of a custom for others to do the same where I'm from. Just sounds like a perfect place for a serial killer to reside and have a real good time...plenty of people that could easily go missing that no one would miss for a while at least, since they're away on a trip and not expected back home for a while, local authorities that are all too quick to blame missing people on the terrain and nature of the tourism of the place, most likely because they don't want to mess up their cash cow, plenty of open country to hide bodies/remains. Yep, my first bet would definitely be on serial killer.

[@ericp9479]

I dunno, the Pygmy cannibal theory seems most likely to me. 😂

[@megbyfield7895]

F GC yes but there was lack of any evidence of animal predation in the bones. No markings or teeth marks of any kind he said. So.....??

[@megbyfield7895]

J Thorsson I was just going by what was stated in the video!!

[@mobileasaurus]

J Thorsson the bones recovered were looked at by forensic professionals and found to have zero evidence of scavenger animal activity. Even if insects played a roll animals would of partaken in the process as well.

[@olgapagan4773]

This is one of those stories that leave one perplexed and sad and curious. Left to wonder what happened.

[@sonnydee741]

Sad 😞

[@kwyetkapsule189]

I appreciate the artwork that accompanies your narrations. They seem to capture the essence of the stories beautifully

[@monilaninetynine3811]

The artwork is excellent

[@antonkider7360]

Why not real photos of the area?

[@FLYIN_DAGGERZ]

Some if the photos are real...just have an animated filter

[@byeongcheol5610]

Oh, I adore the beautiful color drawing of the girls at the end. Fantastic use of color. Amazing drawings as always. Love you all!

[@mikeyturcanu]

thanks ^_^

[@HopelessSinner]

This is the first time I've heard about the photo looking down into the ravine at the possible body! I wish they could enhance the picture enough to find out for sure if it was one of the girls lying down there... R.I.P Lisanne and Kris 🌹🌹

[@sweetonyxakararegem692]

It didnt really look like a body to me.

[@rodolfo333fr]

It looks like a woman wearing a skirt, and either a backpack, or swaddling a baby on her back

[@KDurschmidt]

Forget it, it is twigs, NO BODY, all you need to "get off the mountain" Your grasping at straws...nothing more, see my new video on them short but true, last only true video of them is at grocery store area...NEVER PROOF THEY WERE ON THE MOUNTAIN, ONLY TAXI STORY TO THE MOUNTAIN, NO ONE SAW THE ON THE MOUTAIN COULD IDENTIFY THEIR PIC'S..AND THE MT. IS HEAVY TRAFFIC, WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT BE SEEN IF INJURED, ONLY AFTER THE CONT. DIVIDE IS THEIR PROBLEMS..

[@KDurschmidt]

PICS' WERE FAKED ON THE NIGHT AND HAIR OF KRIS..FAKE GOT IT??

[@degenerate2281]

@@KDurschmidt Jeez, are you okay? What's with the all caps?

[@margaretcooper797]

He tells the story with respect for the victims and their families.

[@Ford17x]

Stupid people don't deserve respect...

[@Seq-ei2pw]

i have no respect for stupidity

[@zew1414]

The bag...THE BAG is probably the biggest red flag..oh and the dump site they found some small bones along with 3 OTHER PEOPLE...cmon now! Love your channel mates!

[@mencot89]

Where they found the remains of both girls probably are a dumpsite. They say it’s not uncommon that indigenous people to fall in the river, accident along the forests that caused their deaths and they didnt collect / bury them or anything. Afterall the forests contain many paths that only the indigenous would know about. But yes the whole thing still is weird as hell

[@Mayoyaquiwarrior]

Yes and also that's not leave out the rolled up skin that was not decomposed, if they had been say died naturally there in the jungle or killed by some animal one of there skin of flesh would of be decomposed but it wasn't , which only explanation is someone abducted them and killed them somewhere and then brought remains back to jungle

[@TheGothGaming]

Im from Panama, this story was news all over the country. It is very sad indeed. I hate that this happened, Boquete is such a beautiful town and tourists are pretty common there.

[@BAFFLED-u4o]

I have relatives I stayed with from Central America who were in Panama for a span of two years. It is a beautiful country in certain spots and takes your breath away, but there are deep jungles where you can get easily lost and not found Drug cartels passing in the wilderness. I'm not sure why an abductor would delete photos instead of just destroying the camera.

[@LauRa-re9un]

may be because he or they wanted the family to see that was the girls.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

blue shadows I guess because photos can be recovered from a broken camera and they wanted to get rid of some that probably showed their faces or something.

[@kenlee1416]

Backpack with camera and handphones were kept by the killer(s) until they decided to make it seem as if the women had survived for up to 10 days and had their equipment with them until the end...... killers then tossed the bag in a certain location near to some bone fragments of the women, and bones also tossed by the killers. But killers were not smart enough (or couldn't be bothered knowing the incompetence of the authorities) to leave the backpack and contents in the rain.

[@LauRa-re9un]

@@kenlee1416 I sadly agree.

[@leescuderi8331]

Im betting they just died from the jungle. If it were men they would have kept the valuables. The camera and whatever else they had. The fact that everything was left tells me they died from an accident or animals.

[@suflanker45]

Great video. I've heard about this case before and I have to admit hearing about it really put the hook in me to find out all I could about this case to come up with my own theory. If I may add some info. The backpack and remains were found upstream from where the girls were supposed to be hiking which I believe was over 10 hours hiking from where they were supposed to be. It was also at the beginning of the rainy season which hindered search operations and makes me more suspicious of the backpack and the contends being dry when found. In regards to the photos I too had noticed a change in the mood of the daytime photos. Which makes me believe that a third party is with them. I think the missing photo has the image of the third party. I think the third party was luring them into whatever they had in store for the girls so they hadn't taken their camera or phones, yet. The girls realizing something was wrong got away from them and tried to call for help. The girls were now lost and wandering around for days and died by injury or by the hand of the third party that was tracking them down. I think it was the third party that was trying to enter the pin on Kris' phone. I believe that Kris may have told Lisanne her pin number. I can't be sure of course but we also can't be sure that both girls remained together the whole time. After all the last photo we have of Lisanne was the day they disappeared before the change of mood and terrain of the daytime photos. In my opinion the night time photos were taken by the third party to make it look like the girls got lost and died by accident. The lack of large remains makes me think their bodies were dissolved in acid since besides a lack of animal claw or teeth marks there was no sign of cutting marks on the bones.They planted the backpack and its contents so it would be found because they knew the corrupt government would call it an accident. Third party? The rancher that everybody was pointing to in the town. As far as I know the text messages from the girls were never released. It would be interesting to see when the last texts were sent and what they said.

[@teslagirl1]

I think you are absolutely right.

[@AROTTWEILERR]

was all that imagination worth the time writing down... you refer to yourself more than once maybe indicating a degree of self importance and self assurance, maybe address those issues

[@suflanker45]

@@AROTTWEILERR Well it looks like I flushed out the token stupid dickhead.

[@adambryan411]

I would just add: You do NOT need someone's access pin to dial emergency services See for yourself: lock your phone, go to the access screen. Look at the bottom right corner (on most phones) see where it says emergency call? If you were to dial emergency services, the call WOULD be allowed. This is a universal rule. So....why, if it was lisanne, would she continually try & enter the correct pin, but not try to call emergency services??? This. Was. Murder. These girls were stalked. They realized this, & tried to call for help. If you would like to hear my theory as to what happened from here, let me know.

[@Shashwatt]

@@adambryan411 let's hear your theory

[@PungiFungi]

If only the dog could talk.

[@Janellabelle]

I think the fact that Blue could find his way home and they could not simply follow him says a LOT.

[@sabino-_-4271]

@@Janellabelle HOLY SHIT YOUR RIGHT IF THE DOG WAS SMART ENOUGH TO RETURN HOME WHY DIDNT THEY FOLLOW HIM.

[@leonmartin3764]

Frfr

[@MrAntman36]

The dog only joins trekkers for a short way. It was well known for doing that. As it lives with the restaurant owners at the start of the trail. I am sure “Blue” returned long before the girls encountered foul play, or got into trouble. I just don’t understand why they went trekking without a guide in the mountains and forests of Panama in limited clothing, with one bottle of water between them and leaving their compass back in their homestay. They must also have known about the English man that went missing in Boquette 5 years earlier, as they had researched these places in detail, well in advance of travelling there.

[@wetpotato2222]

I'm glad the doggy is OK tho

[@Yisabeilaa]

I am so glad you covered that case I became passionate about a few years ago. I read multiples articles and watched dozen of videos about it. At the very beginning, I was sure there were some kind of foul play involved. But after so many researches, I am pretty positive they died from natural conditions and ended up being eaten (dead or almost dead) by animals. One thing everybody must know about that case is that there is PLENTY of contradictories informations on the internet about it, so don't jump on every details you heard. Here's my (LONG) theory : - The girls didn't plan to go for the real big hike that day. They plan it for the day after, with the guide guy (you know, they booked a tour for the day after with a guide and never showed up). The stuff they brought with them shows that they didn't want to go that far (not real food apparently and not a lot of water). The fact that they took the dog with them is a proof as well. Its seems that they just wanted to check the environnement of their future hike with the dog, having a long walk with the animal in this place that, apparently, excited them. Plus I'm not sure that the owner of the dog would have let them go for a real long hiking day with the animal. - They did go too far anyway and get lost. How ? The dog once again maybe the explanation. It may has run away for some reasons and the girls tried to follow it. It was not their dog so it was not that disciplined with them (and there is a million reasons he would have run away). The girls didn't realise that, at that point, it was so dangerous to leave the trail or whatever is the main path they were following. As they stopped looking for the dog, they check around them and realized they were lost (never being there but everyone seems to say that it is so easy to get lost in the place, so wild, raining, surrounded by enormous trees that hide the light, everything looking the same). I believed this happened a few hours after they left, and that's the moment they did their first 911 call. That fact that they didn't bring that much food and water + the wild environnement may have not helped as well : they were dehydrated, panicking, and every of those conditions did affect their logic, their sense of direction and their capacity of thinking correctly. - They decided to go the wrong way and that was it : they were definitively lost. The sad thing is they certainly weren't that far at this point. But they decided to follow the wrong direction. - They survived that long (6-8 days for Kris, more than 10 days for Lisanne) cause they managed to find water somewhere (rain, trees, rivers). The fact that this water wasn't healthy, once again, took part of making them weak and may explain some bad decisions, accidents (Kris may has fell), things that didn't make really sense ("why they didn't/did do that" etc). About the photos : it can be to check where they were going, to do some lighting to indicated their presence, to scared animals, by Lisanne to remember the place where Kris died... They tried to call, to reach a signal, to make some lights, to do a SOS sign... They were (logically) panicking and moved a lot (to much : it did tired them even more and tend to make them unreachable). On April 3 they could reach a signal and having a 1 or 2 sec call with 911. At that point, they should have stay there as the signal may have came back. But once again, we are not in their heads, they were confused, tired and panicking. - Kris passed away first. It can be plenty of reasons : accident, dehydratation, animals, intoxication... Some clues tend to indicate that she felt from a bridge they were attempting to cross (the blood on her head, the photos and the piece of her clothes we may have found near a bridge.. / always saying "may" 'cause as I said, the informations about their remain and their belongings that were found are not so trustworthy). Did she died from that accident ? We don't know. Analyses of the phones shows that April 6-7 is definitely a turning point : it is certainly the day Kris has passed away. We can see that Lisanne tried to used Kris' phone but didn't have the pin code; plus the 77 attempts to use the phone shows that she was definitely panicking at this point. Something tell me that if Kris was slowly dying, she would have gave Lisanne her pin code. If she didn't, it's probably because she died suddenly. Some people are wondering why she would try to get into the phone when she can still call emergencies numbers with an unlock phone... I think we shouldn't even wonder why. I mean, come on ! The poor girl is an a terrible situation, her friend has died, she must be very weak, not really aware of what she is doing... She may wanted to unlock the phone for plenty of reasons as : check the photos, looking for a signal, having access to some infos... Anyway, Lisanne took Kris stuff with her and keep walking (that's why we found Kris' stuff in Lisanne's bag). - The battery of the phone died on April 11. Lisanne may have survived some days after that, but not a lot. She was alone, with no lights, weak and confused, certainly injured... if she didn't died "naturally", animals probably killed her. I read and article in which an expert said that, judging by her foot we found in its boot and the place where we found some of her remain, she may have died falling from a cliff she tried to climb, probably to be able to look from the top of it to find her way. I personally think she did amazing surviving that long, alone, and it probably would never have happened if she was not the athletic girl she was. - I personally think animals eat (or kill) both of them. That would explain why most of their parts are missing, and why their remain are kilometers away from each others. It explains as well the fact that the bones are not in the same conditions : they were not eaten by the same animal. Everybody is freaking out on the bleached bone but two things can explain that : it may have been eaten by a snake (this theory is confirmed by experts, bones rejected by snakes may be bleached and that would explain why most of the body is missing) or it may be due to a long stay under the sun. - About the intact bag : Lisanne died falling from the cliff. Days after, a foot she broke falling get detached from her body (nothing weird about that... just check google), a animal came, ate her, and let the bag and the boot where it was. I know the indigene girl said that it wasn't there the day before... but we shouldn't based an entire theory with the saying of one people. She may have done a mistake, or an other indigene found it before, moved it, then realised that he may be involved by mistake in a crime and left, leaving the bag at an other place. - About the other bone(s) and finger print(s) : sources do not agree on this. They MAY have found some "strange DNA or fingers prints" on some of the clothes-flesh-bones of the girls... Nothing sure. Be careful with that bit of information... Animals DNA, man finger print ? The bone they found could be from someone else as this terrible story is nothing but rare (people, especially western people, are missing (and found dead) in south America quite often...). And don't forget that people lives in this wild place (local tribes). - About the Panama's authorities hiding stuff : then again, nothing strange about it. Countries like south America's tend to make a secret about everything. They just don't share what they find. I remember a lot of stories like that. It feels like they don't always want to cooperate with western countries, even if there is nothing to hide. They could also be ashamed that : western people died while they were in holidays in the country (bad for the tourism) ; or that their attempts of finding the girl didn't succeed. They could feel responsible as the police were alerted April 2 and they didn't do much to find them at this point. - I feel like if they has been taken by strangers, drug cartel of others types of foul play, things would have been different. Every bit of information we got tend to show that Kris died first and Lisanne survived a few day afterwards, using the phone and taking photos. How can this could happened if there were some kind of foul play involved ? I think I said it all. We shouldn't forget that these girls were totally confused, panicking, weak and dehydrated. So we shouldn't try to understand every moves they did. One thing is sure : they lived hell before they died. I can't imagine sleeping in this dark, scary and wild place, with any provisions, feeling yourself being weaker and weaker... What about this poor Lisanne who lived at least 5 days alone knowing her friend has died. Have you ever sleep in a forest by night ? It is scary even if you are in a safe place. I feel so bad for them. May they rest in peace now. By the way, you did an amazing work in this video, as usual.

[@damotheman4196]

Really,just wow...thank you very much for the informative and imo plausible theory,i read that like it was a good thriller! once again thank you

[@chase2583]

Longest youtube comment I have ever seen.

[@janicepierce6670]

Great analysis. But BTW how do you explain the missing deleted photo? Photo 501 I think it is. Tech experts say it left behind no trace on the phone hence could only be deleted & formated by computer. Also last person to see them alive, taxi driver, winds up dead himself in suspicious circumstances a year later...... Did he see someone else about to enter the trail after them?

[@TheSYPHERIA]

Al that is good, but they survived without water for more than 10 days and to have the last picture deleted -- no way. Somebody forced them or her to delete it. Three other bones, etc. Why not just follow the dog back? Somebody followed them and fucked with them in a real-life Blair Witch (but not a paranormal situation.) SO TERRIBLE TO THINK WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH, brings tears to my eyes. I can almost guarantee they were attacked the first day and they took the picture of her bloody head as proof.

[@arttheclown9458]

rachel moose everyone’s brains are different in the moment of panic, you yourself probably wouldnt perform half of these tasks youre typing up.

[@albang8804]

I lived almost all my life in Amersfoort . the town where one girl and her father where from, in the Netherlands, i know the father of Kris Kremers personally.. it was so heartbreaking to see him after i knew they are dead. i that this looks very simmilair as the missing cases that david paulides states, its just very creepy and weird what was found , and how it was neatly stacked and such.. i am really worried about what happened and wished that the parents and loved ones could know what caused their death please everyone show your respect . R.i.p Kris Kremers, and Lisanne vroon ,my thoughts go out to their parents and loved ones.

[@AROTTWEILERR]

i get fedup of hearing about lets make more money paulides

[@LittleLulubee]

Alban- I feel so sad for the girls and their families 😢

[@LaRedPDX]

I’ve been skeptical 🤨 of Paulides as of late, myself. Listened to his stuff for years. But starting to wonder 🤔 💭 if there’s some psyop going on with him, too. Ugh 😑 Bless those girls ❤️🙏🏼💔also their families

[@AROTTWEILERR]

he just keeps spinning out the same stories, and keeps his gullible audience hanging on for an explanation, he also got his brother in on the paulidies act with that shit documantary on amazon, the brothers are try hards and mere collators of information, if he let on what he thinks is happening it would be the end of the paulidies snake oil roadshow., NO MORE MONEY... dont fall for it brother

[@spaggs111]

It seems pretty obvious the rancher/tour guide killed them. I hope the authorities from your country launch an independent investigation and track the bastard down.

[@TheMegaAhaaaa]

This is just so sad. I cannot even begin to imagine how scared those poor girls must have been.

[@truecrimelink]

This is one of the better accounts on KZbin of this event. Thank you for doing such a wonderful job.

[@trent3872]

There's no way in hell I'd let my teen daughter's go to Panama alone for a vacation! Naivete is fatal. Sexual predators exist on every continent, living their lives with no crimes or attacks, until the right moment occurs, that one chance they've hoped for for years. 2 pretty young girls, hiking in remote Panama! Perfect timing.

[@RochellB46]

It’s sad but so true I like in America Florida to be specific and I have my guard up whenever I travel to Georgia which is only 7 hours away but it doesn’t matter where you are in the world pervs exist everywhere

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

@@RochellB46 Your guard goes up when _leaving_ Florida?

[@RochellB46]

The Garden of Eatin I know you probably think Florida is scary 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@tardigradejane8658]

It’s everywhere... the disappearances... the National Parks in the US have an alarming track record. Especially for children.

[@AikoSilver]

I agree, these girls were too naive. First they go hiking in shorts. Knowing that there was a "creepy tour guide". .. they were probably preyed upon and killed.

[@MostHigh777]

I've done a certain amount of reading and study on this and what is the most interesting is that both of the boys they swam with the day before they left on the hike turned up dead over the next 60 days one being run over by a car and the other drowning. The cab driver who drove them to the hike also it turned up dead.combined with the fact that their pack was found in pristine condition nearby an Indian village All point to it being a conspiracy, probably involving a drug cartel. Clearly,What caused their deaths had to have happened prior to the day of the hike which is why the two boys turned up dead. I can think of a number of scenarios but unless we get further information it's difficult to tell which one is true.What kind of sounds like someone wanted to do away with them but someone else thought there might be severe consequences if they did.The key probably lies with the Indian woman who found their backpack in pristine condition a few weeks later she probably knows somebody who knows somebody I would guess.

[@MandyMan24]

Did the investigators not try taking fingerprints of the phone screen and camera buttons to know if other people had used them?

[@PoochieCollins]

Good question, Alex. Though the phone might've had tons of fingerprints just from the womens' friends.

[@BotanicalBlooming]

I know that they tested the backpack and it had a lot of unidentified fingerprints

[@beth9603]

I recently took an emergency First aid course. (UK) and I never knew that if you were unable to reach 999 due to no signal, dialing 112 gives an immediate call through to emergency services via satellite no matter how poor the reception is.

[@tellmesomething2go]

see. so there`s a lot wrong here.

[@gerardguitarist]

People need to realize that as a Caucasian tourist you can often be viewed a rich Westerner. A target. How many cases do not get reported for fear of losing tourist dollars. My step daughter was allowed to go on an extended trip to southeast Asia with her boyfriend at 18 years of age. I was absolutely horrified she was allowed to go. No problems in the end but as far as I'm concerned they were just lucky. People are desperately poor in other parts of the world. You never know what could happen.

[@NadaYoTengo]

There are maybe 3000 expats living within 10 miles of the Pianista trail, and I know of only one an expat pedophile recently murdered by a local young boyfriend of his. The expats here should be more worried about the other expats.

[@crnacpanker]

but their stuff was there , not stolen, even cash...

[@priscillafreiburghaus8755]

I totally get it! I live in Switzerland and I love nature! Whenever I go travelling I am alert all the time! And I won't ever be alone considering Im a caucasian 23 years old beautiful lady lol easy target! I pray everyday...Really, the world is evil! Its heartbreaking

[@Knosferatu]

So true. Even just being a foreigner, you're seen as "wealthier" regardless of color. Even more so if you're white.

[@rainluna9765]

She was lucky although she had a man with her. Two females or one female is vulnerable in tropical isolated places.

[@kristinfrazee2097]

This is such a well rounded well put together channel that I feel like I'm turning the TV on and watching the ID channel! Or any show for that matter! It totally draws you in and makes you want to sit down get comfortable take your shoes off and watch!!!! Love your hard work and dedication! Thank you! !!

[@bigmike9128]

Poor girls 😢😥

[@marztar]

they had money

[@yama_virginhairthequeen1065]

big mike 😢😢

[@BlackSheepNara]

big mike if a female is over 18 years old she is not a "girl". She's a woman. You wouldn't call a 18+ male a "boy".

[@Aconitum_napellus]

@@BlackSheepNara That's actually a good point, calling them girls sounds kind of demeaning.

[@pierzing.glint1sh76]

@@Aconitum_napellus what a fascinating time we live in, when calling somebody a girl is "demeaning". FYI, an 18 year old is hardly an adult, and i always find it wierd when people refer to 18 or 19 year old men ... and i would absolutely refer to TEENAGERS as boys or girls

[@roryobrien6716]

I've heard this story a million times and a million times I've heard about the incorrect pincode entries... You wouldn't need the pincode to make an emergency call...

[@Mar9592]

Indeed!!

[@nczioox1116]

Someone else mentioned that their Dutch phones might not be program to emergency connect to Panama services.

[@mickharrison9004]

Your rite you can always make a emergency call or txt nearly anywhere, even with hardly any signal, something picks up the emergency.

[@mickharrison9004]

@@nczioox1116 they don't need to go on Panama services to make emergency call, I've forgotten how it's done, but once I was on a security course and the teacher said you can always make an emergency call anywhere, and the girls should of known this, maybe they didn't.

[@nczioox1116]

@@mickharrison9004 its possible. If the dutch and Panama systems were synchronised but the possibility there were software issues preventing that should be considered

[@flightofthebumblebee9529]

This case is so very horrifying because no matter what happened it is very unnerving. The deleted pic was either done by the killer or it was one of the girls deleting something they did not want people to find if the phone was ever recovered.

[@donwest3342]

Also, the picture could have been deleted by the Panamanian police to cover up something that indicated foul play was involved. They may have done this to protect the Panamanian tourism industry which generates billions of dollars to the country of Panama!

[@sandrapraimraj910]

@@donwest3342 Yeah true

[@kenlee1416]

1(a). How do we know the tour guide was supposed to give the women a tour on day 2? We only have his word on it. Could he have offered to guide them on the day itself then did whatever he may have done with the women on the way down from the peak? 1(b). Why would this guide go straight to the police when the women supposedly did not turn up on day 2?! Why so extra concerned? The normal reaction of a tour guide where clients don't turn up is to try and contact the clients - if they don't answer or reply, just shrug it off as lost business and move on. 1(c). How convenient that this same guide manages to help locate the bone fragments of the women. 1(d). Again, how convenient this guide owned (still has?) a ''ranch'' near where the women's bones were found. 2. The matter of the remains of the women does not make any sense considering the environment of the jungles of the area. The average temperature in Boquete town is highs of 23°Celcius and lows of 13°C. It would certainly be even cooler in the jungle - remember this is not a jungle at lowlands where temperatures are consistently above high 20s Celcius and decomposition is very rapid. Even if the corpses of the women were picked on by scavengers, the slower decomposition would still have left some flesh/muscle (plus the clothing worn by the women) to hold together some of the bones, thus leaving a good part of the skeleton intact. So why were only a few bone fragments found scattered about? Where were all the large bones and the skulls? Perhaps some would rationalise that the heavier bones sunk to the bottom of the river and the local authorities could give an a** to do a search?? Further, assuming the last survivor moved along and died further away from the friend, how in the world did their bone fragments mingle together??? 3. The backpack. Any adolescent and older would know that a backpack left in the jungle for 2 months would be soggy, muddy and probably damaged and likewise any contents within. Even if the backpack had dried after a spell of no rain, the camera and handphones would have been damaged to the extent that no data could have been retrieved. If the camera (with data stored on a card) somehow survived the rain and mud, surely the handphones would not have? Seems like the backpack was stored indoors all the time and tossed out just before they were found. .... just a few of many unanswered questions from a very badly investigated case, not to mention poor search and rescue effort at the outset.

[@mynameismyname8366]

Do we know for certain the tour guide is the only source of information on this? Did the girls mention anything to the host family or did Kris write anything in her journal? Also, I was under the impression that the girls rejected the tour guide on day 1 because he offered them an overnight stay at his ranch house, and they never had a planned trip with him. You might be right though that none of this happened at all, and that the girls either accepted the tour guide's offer on day 1 or he just stalked them from the start of the trail.

[@VladislavDrac]

*Scotland Yard wants to know your location*

[@kenlee1416]

@@VladislavDrac Mine? I'm about 6,250 miles from Sighișoara.

[@VladislavDrac]

@@kenlee1416 present you application to them, fam

[@KDurschmidt]

I think the girls wrote it in their dairy and called relaties/boyfriend up till tuesday Dutch time, see video, new release of Kris's dad talk of her call to her bf in Netherlands on April 1st or 2nd..

[@pherasabraxas]

This story absolutely scares me every time I hear it. The pictures they took just make it all the more eerie.

[@reesedaniel5835]

And the camera wasn't touched for 11 days then 90 pictures taken rapidly of basically nothing. I don't think they took those pics. I think they were already deceased.

[@sandrapraimraj910]

@@reesedaniel5835 Bro who even knows if it was them taking the photos and those nighttime photos give off a whole bunch of negative energy to me

[@carolinaamin6874]

This channel is the best thing that has happened to the mystery fans of youtube. I absolutely love the content, and many a time i've fallen asleep only to be woken by the "Bedtime Stories" whisper at the end of the videos. Love love love.

[@longreach007]

I agree Carolina... stay safe and never go out into the forests or wilderness it’s just not safe !!! Best

[@diogeneslantern18]

I fall asleep to BTS pretty much every night, although there are some stories that I refuse to re-watch simply because they are too scary for me 😰

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

That school that messed them around with the arrival date has some questions to answer!

[@ReapingTheHarvest]

Nice cgi ball earth image, bro.

[@elaminmochichi7767]

Damn right they deserve no volunteers ever!

[@bushmonster1702]

Yeah what the hell was all that about!

[@rainluna9765]

That was really odd.

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

@@bushmonster1702 I come from a teaching background myself and even as a 38 year old man it would be disconcerting

[@mephistro]

What particularly intrigues me is that BOTH phones and BOTH girl's sunglasses were in a pack that allegedly floated down river yet had no water damage. If it was sunny as the photos reveal, why weren't they wearing sunglasses?

[@KDurschmidt]

Yep, good points, see my new short video on them and Case of LaPandura..too. more info thoughts..

[@benazizalassaad6909]

Foul play my brow rip to them

[@benazizalassaad6909]

@@KDurschmidt may god bless u

[@sambaker125]

I have watched many videos on this topic and story, this is the only one Ive seen that's unique and different. It is also presented in a manner that is among one of the most respectful I have ever seen in my life

[@Srfear]

New Bedtime Story! Thank you for another amazing, thought provoking video. And it’s totally a serial killer.

[@britbloc123]

A serial killer that let's his victim(s) hold on to a working cell phone for 9 days before killing them? Yeah that makes total sense smh. Good job you're not a Detective or nothing would get solved...

[@spamlord7570]

britbloc123 stalkers exist

[@joshsilva4384]

This is totally overlooking the fact that if those girls were texting their parents as heavily as they were, they would not have simply stopped texting them if they still had their phones as the accident theory claims. They would have been texting their families heavily not JUST trying to call emergency services..

[@KDurschmidt]

They did mention this many, many times, did you see new video of Mr. Kremers says her/Kris's last phone call was April 2nd Dutch time/Netherlands time..to Kris's BF..in Netherlands..see it before commenting..

[@NiekKuijpers]

@@KDurschmidt nope not true

[@SantaKlaus1981]

i dont know if these girls are so stupid. If i would have chance of being dead, i would make some message or simple diary on my phone. Save it as just message...no need to send it.

[@SantaKlaus1981]

@@KDurschmidt HAHAHAHAHa...what a funny boyfriend let his girl to no men land run half naked.....this poor girl really had a caring BF....

[@zaltmanbleroze]

@@SantaKlaus1981 you're a fool Half naked? They're wearing shorts and t shirts. Man you've got issues. Serious issues.

[@ronmac9522]

Awww. That was so sad. Two friends go on an adventure and end up dead. I hope their souls are at peace.

[@Clenched.Cheeks]

I just found this channel and have been binging the stories. I loved them all, but this one fills me with a deep sympathy and unsettled feeling. I can't imagine what their families went through.

[@Spacebaby21]

6:23 I always wondered about the problem with the job offers at the school. They had emails confirming that they were to be employed and start teaching in a program. Then when they got there, this was brushed off and the administrators acted like they knew nothing of this. It's very suspicious and was never investigated - or at least no investigation of the school has ever appeared in coverage of this case. This was what left the girls wandering the town with nothing to do, waiting for the school/charity/NGO to get back to them, and no real connection to the place. They wouldn't even have gone there otherwise. They weren't just 'tourists.' In a small town that kind of information would travel.

[@priscillafreiburghaus8755]

I blame the whole city lol everybody there knows the truth I guess except the whole word!

[@tellmesomething2go]

@@priscillafreiburghaus8755 how true

[@TheXabl0]

So many of these disappearances abroad appear to have vague connections to human snuggling rings. The fact that the cops clearly acted so slowly shows they may have been aware or paid off to not look into it

[@BedlamAndBones]

Mysterious and heartbreaking. I feel terrible for what these young women must have endured and filled with sadness for their families.

[@bryanmchugh1307]

I have heard about this since it happened. This is the first time I am hearing about the predatory "tour guide" though.

[@TrippingwithDari]

it makes me wonder. why noone said the one trying to unlock the phone might be the 3rd party attempting to unlock it. and the pictures could be randomly taken pics by a 3rd party who just nonchalantly testing out the camera

[@MJ-fj9yv]

When all fails, blame the locals.

[@KDurschmidt]

He has been implied since the begining, how could you miss that????

[@Vamanaswastika]

This is hands down one of the top 5 channels on KZbin.

[@dyoung4850]

I'm going with the creep tour guide. The girls seen him up on the viewing piont, tried to run from him . The one girl broke her foot in the process that caused the creep to catch them. The creep then murdered them and dumped the bodies in his preferred location. After the bodies decomposed he disposed of larger bones to make it more difficult for any forensics evidence to be collected. I find it way too suspicious of how close they are to the tour guides Ranch and the fact he found the bodies.

[@daver1161]

Cryptic creatures And the 411 was that the photo that was withheld from the public?

[@mackdeen7021]

He may know something, or getting paid by people who in the drug or human trafficking business. There are SO many dangers in remote forests in Panama. The guide probably gets a cut of money from whatever is REALLY making the money there..the girls may have been victims to. Then again the could forest itself poses JUST as many dangers....for me the guide is one of many reasons the girls dissipated

[@sohailg1607]

ok, first of all lets understand that this investigation was done by a dumbass.The last person who sees them alive is the GUIDE, Case closed There is how much money that is involved in tourism there and 411 pending cases? That government has done what? NOTHING I will NOT go anywhere in that country without any personal protection. If it isnt the Cartels it can be anything(tour guide for sure in this case) Locals most likely know who has done this but again if it is one of their they are NOT going to admit this, you know how much money they are going to lose. This was no fucking "Chupacabra"

[@PoochieCollins]

@@sohailg1607 : I don't think many locals necessarily know, b/c if they did, it'd be in their best interest to bring about proper closure to the case (and potentially others) for the sake of tourism business. And considering the girls were around a vast expanse of wilderness, it's not necessarily the tour guide, not that he isn't a top suspect.

[@PoochieCollins]

@Dustin : then why the emergency calls? That almost certainly came from one of the girls. It's also pretty weird that their valuables weren't all hidden or destroyed.

[@garbhanmyles]

Another amazing video. You folk did a great job with tackling this horrendous case with tact and sensitivity. May the poor families find some relief from the mental torture they are probably left with.

[@SubPablum]

I have heard a lot of these stories before but this channel tells them so well I'm enjoying them anew and, if fact, more than ever. They are told in a very straight forward manner and with a clarity of narrative that is lacking from many other sources. Great job ya'll!

[@ashechamberlain6945]

I was hoping you'd cover this story! Once again, I am impressed and left spooked. I really love this channel, so thanks for the update!

[@gabos7892]

after watching Narcos on Netflix, I no longer go hiking in the forest of south american countries.

[@aashianaedwards6949]

GABOS Panama is in Central America

[@them4licious0ne]

south and central america

[@RochellB46]

I don’t want to go hiking anywhere anymore 🥺

[@richardbowers3647]

So just what was your 1st clue? Mmmmh?

[@jennycheeks9215]

I hear ya. After watching I shouldn’t be alive and Locked up abroad, I’ll never even step foot in South American countries.

[@reedime5396]

the most frustrating and hardly mentioned detail in this case is the fact the police didn't take this seriously until 3 days after the girls went missing. Family and friends had to go to the media to pressure the police to do their job. Were the police busy with something else? Who knows, but there is a lot of corruption within the police in Panama to this day.

[@PrimateProductions]

You have included more details that I have never heard in the many times I have seen this story done by so many others! Thank you for your thoroughness. I was shocked at the details I had never heard before that seem so very significant!! In fact, the first time I watched this video awhile back was what made me subscribe to your channel. I watched it again today because the story happened to come up on another channel and I remembered that there seemed to be much more to it and sure enough I watched your version again and once again was surprised at how much more detail you had included. Just know that it is very much appreciated and this particular video made these girls lives seen so much more "real" and struck close to home and made me mourn their deaths!

[@stevesutherland6232]

Your narration of these cases is just outstanding, enjoying the channel.

[@robogreek3157]

i love the illustrations and whoever came up with that idea....GREAT JOB ...its way better than just listening to a story focusing on just one image

[@eurosonly]

The local police didn't even think about taking everyone's finger prints who lives near by? Come on. Give it 110%

[@hannahr7358]

This is a great video about this case! It's one of the most interesting and terrifying cases ever to me. It feels like there is so much evidence but all of it brings up more questions than answers. The theory of the girls getting lost and suffering an accident(s) and/or dehydration/starvation would make a lot of sense to me if it weren't for the strange circumstances surrounding the discovery of the backpack and bones, as well as the fact you pointed out that it would have been difficult for them to get lost once they'd reached the Continental Divide. Given the fact that the woman discovered the backpack dry and packed neatly with both girls' belongings, including their working phones and camera with a possibly crucial photo deleted, convinces me that foul play was almost definitely involved. How could the backpack have ended up on that riverbank completely dry and undamaged? It could not have been carried by the river or an animal, someone had to have placed it there. And why were their bones found among the remains of three other people? It could be a coincidence but that seems unlikely to me. Personally, I think the most likely theory at this point is the one about someone following them up the trail, forcing them to hike into the jungle to get away, maybe with the thought that they could find another way back to Boquete. I suspect it was probably the creepy tour guide, especially since their remains were close to his ranch, but who really knows? Maybe he kept their larger bones and some of their possessions as trophies, and that could explain why those were never found. It's difficult to explain the decision to leave cash and valuable devices in the backpack and place it near a settlement, though. The phones and camera, aside from being monetarily valuable, were filled with evidence (albeit unfortunately inconclusive), so if the perpetrator didn't want to be caught, it doesn't make a lot of sense to leave them. And of course, it would seem odd for anyone to leave the cash. It's possible the perpetrator wanted to toy with investigators or something like that, but I'm not sure, it's just confusing. I think the photos of Kris with the "unsure" expression corroborate the idea that someone was stalking them that day. Perhaps they didn't notice it until then, considering their earlier photos seemed normal and carefree. I think it's possible that the first emergency calls were in regard to this person as well, since they were made only hours after the hike began. They might have tried to contact emergency services before giving up and deciding to flee into the jungle. Then, if the stalker didn't find them first, they probably found themselves lost and one or both of them sustained injuries, prompting more emergency calls. My best guess about the nighttime photos is that one or both of the girls were trying to find their way in the dark, and the strange photos of plastic bags, etc. were evidence of them marking their trail. Possibly the stalker had found them by this point and they were attempting a hasty escape during the night - I don't know why else they would try to travel in the pitch-black wilderness, other than maybe delirium/desperation. This whole case is so bizarre and heartbreaking. I hate thinking about what the girls' last days must have been like, and the desperation they must have experienced making all those emergency calls that didn't get through.

[@shaunpenne1840]

There's photos on the camera that says they traversed the same ground and that it was impossible for the girls to have gotten lost!!! Top 5's did a vid on this case too and I'm very much of the opinion that something much more sinister happened to those Poor girls!! If the locals are adamant that something untoward happened, then they're probably right!!! I hope that the families of those poor girls find closure!! Its such a heartbreaking story knowing that those two girls probably died in utter fear!!! I hope they're at peace!! You're videos are awesome and scary too!! The Charterhouse Guest video scared the absolute crap out of me!! Keep up the good work!!!

[@MaliciousChickenAgenda]

This channel is my new favourite thing on KZbin :)

[@MaliciousChickenAgenda]

I`m pretty sure i`ve heard the channel name somewhere before. I`ll definitely check it out :)

[@rosemarygregory4391]

My heart goes out to the families of theses innocent women. What happened to them is really unimaginable. I felt sorry for the lost two women, who had a bright future ahead of them

[@KatieB33]

As a newcomer to your channel, I know I’m repeating what others have said. I am so impressed with the quality and work you put into your videos. The research which is of a much higher level than other channels. The artwork is out of this world. Plus the perfectly clear narration. Thank you 🙏

[@destino3945]

Imagine being the first guy to have to look through those pictures not knowing what you were gonna find

[@cwo1991]

The artistic work and narration are superb!!! You are now my favorite KZbin channel!!

[@salamander8301]

The took the guest house dog and it returned with out them suggests to me that the dog wasn't threatened by the murderer and probably knew them

[@susiechoban1542]

That, or the killer(s) confronted them after the dog ran off. Or, for that matter, dogs won’t actually protect strangers they have no attachment to. If the dog sensed danger, it would have scared him away. There are even dogs who won’t protect their closest human friend, not out of malevolence, but it just isn’t who they are. In “local” places, dogs like German shepherds will be trained to protect a *place* or livestock more than the people. Shepherd dogs were bred and trained to protect flocks, and with that, the place where they were kept and/or the house of the agriculturist, against theft and hungry predators. It is still pretty much the same in small towns and villages all across the world. A dog raised and trained like that won’t feel attachment to strangers, at least not enough to want to defend them. Besides, you can get a dog away from yourself with distractions too - they’ll gladly leave you to yourself if you give them food, and might even trust you more than the other strangers who took you on a hike. At the end of the day, they’re sweet fluffs of animals, and the way to their hearts often goes through their stomachs 😄

[@Vorshiva]

Could've just been a dumb dog 😂 Keep in mind though it wasn't their dog and they didn't really know the people well whose dog it was.

[@NiekKuijpers]

Pretty far fetched

[@lol-vx3uf]

Or it ran away and left them to die because it's a piece of shit

[@nelixsulu6201]

Maybe it was the people they were lodging with....

[@moriahguynn4404]

I almost never comment on youtube pieces.... but I have to say that I subscribed roughly a week ago and (sadly) this video is the only one I have left to watch! I love what you guys are doing- the topics, the visual, and the wonderful writing/ narration! Keep it up! I cannot wait until you upload more!

[@markcruz9067]

Please never stop making this kind of videos. What you do is amazing!

[@ashleybrown6880]

This is my first bedtime story. Feeling excited already... Love checking out new videos & this was recommended to me🤣🤣🤣

[@lars1296]

Panama, yikes. My ex husband had to travel there when doing contract work for the military. He got lost on the way to the base and met a nice doctor in a McDonalds who told him the country is not safe.

[@michaelvogler9798]

Riveting....

[@briangts470]

who told him that? Panama is safer than the US, unless you get deep IN THE WOODS IN THE COUNTRYSIDE ALL BY YOURSELF :/

[@SL-ul3yr]

There are people in the US who will tell you that it's like a third world country. One or even several personal opinions can't be the crux of whether you believe a country is good. Use statistics for that.

[@briangts470]

Tales From the Pipes its not just an opinion, its a fact, Panama is the safest country in the region, i have lived here my whole life and if we are going to talk about unsafe countries i cant think of Panama as such, its funny how people in the US like to talk without knowing much about other countries.

[@juliastewart8644]

My grandparents have gone there alot of times, and now when ever they go back I'm going to be very scared and worried for them

[@HaenaKauai91]

Beautiful tribute at the end to these 2 lost souls. Respect.

[@beckybarlow9456]

A very eloquent, informative and respectful video. Thank you! I have swung back and forth on my opinion of what happened to these poor, bright young girls for some time and as you said it is unlikely there will ever be certainty, which is very tragic for their grieving families. Many videos I’ve seen on this case are very much dictated by the posters conclusions, leaning one way or the other, accident/criminal. You however, have presented all the information equally and that is very refreshing, thank you.

[@FallenAngel9979]

Yeeeesss! Been waiting for a new Bedtime Story! Love this channel!👍👍 Oh man- the ending where the girls slowly disappear was very poignant 😥