The love story of Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy | Spider-Man: Blue

"It's about remembering someone so important to me I was going to spend the rest of my life with her." What Peter Parker didn't know was that meant Gwen Stacy would only get to spend the rest of her life with him. This is the story of how they fell in love. Or more appropriately, how they almost didn't fall in love. Welcome to Spider-Man's life. Bad before good. It's kind of amazing. So to get the girl of his dreams, he'll have to run the gauntlet of the Green Goblin, the Rhino, two Vultures and a mysterious man in the shadows controlling it all. Pick it up right here: amzn.to/1OAG94a Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #spiderman
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[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

Actually, I like the idea of a Spider-Man Red, like it is just the memories running through Peter and Mary Janes head while they hold each other for One More Day. Courting, dancing, vacations, cute suprises, some writers and artists could make that an amazing wordless issue, maybe with the last page Mephisto cackling as Peter and MJ walk away from each other. If it was done well it would tear my heart apart, and I would buy the hell out of it!

[@ManoVeneza]

There kinda is a Spiderman Red, I think it's called Parallel Lives. It's a pretty good read.

[@ManoVeneza]

@@sinjinbaker6031 Aye. Wouldn't say it's as good as Blue, but it's up there IMO. Hope you like it!

[@ManoVeneza]

@@sinjinbaker6031 Yeah, that one. Right? It's so weird, it's a pretty good story but very few people talk about it. I myself only found out about it in an article ranking the best Spider-Man + MJ stories, and that came up near the top. Definitely deserves way more recognition.

[@jwtcosplay4507]

Hey I drew a cover for this hypothetical miniseries! Here’s the link to it on Twitter. I posted it in the ComicPop Discord a few weeks back too! twitter.com/jtopping84/status/1270105533421412353?s=21

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

We actually got that was a Spider-Man/Mary Jane you just hit the jackpot compilation paperback.

[@dlvnmedia]

The ending with MJ and Pete brought me to tears when I read that one, serious tears actually. But I read a ton of Marvel Tales books when I was a kid so I always liked Gwen and MJ both .

[@williambrown873]

Holy crap, that Rhino conversation was freaking hilarious "Bowels find a way" - Sal, 2015

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

That Rhino segment is the most hilarious tangent yet.

[@oldfan4049]

lmao XDDD

[@superjlk_9538]

I really wish we could have gotten a Spider-Man Black or Red about Peter and MJ. We really need it now. Thank you Tim, for everything.

[@tjjordan4207]

Ironic how even after her death Gwen has a legacy that continues to last through the ages. Even with something as horrible as Sins Past, people still remember her from that era and celebrate her, despite never being resurrected in the main timeline. If anything, her death immortalized her in ways that very few could achieve.

[@superjlk_9538]

I’m very glad that Marvel uses a sliding timescale. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t have this legacy of a lost love for Spider-Man. I could do without all the clones of her though. It’s just trauma bait.

[@Lifeforcookies]

Well it's good sins past got reconned

[@BBmetalhead04]

Their should be a Back Issues drinking game; every time Sal calls someone a "toolbox" take a shot.

[@kevinmarques7716]

Take a drink every time Sal calls a character lame. If it's not a story about Spider-Man or Batman, you'll be drunk in no time lol.

[@devinafrica685]

Take a drink anytime someone says something is stupid

[@bgajdek]

Drink everytime the 90's are referenced for Jackets and Pockets

[@devinafrica685]

Drink anytime someone says "Crisis"

[@johnk9352]

I say drink every time someone is a lunatic asshole.

[@billybob-bj3nw]

In response to the Jason Todd thing... Just because it was undone doesn't mean batman's journey was for nothing. Batman still went through hell to get over it and gained something from it.

[@immersivecomics1603]

agreed.

[@jacob_ian_decoursey_the_author]

Jason Todd is the only character in years I'm happy about how DC brought back.

[@themadtitan7603]

Agreed, am sick of this idea that if a death is undone it automatically means all the stakes and development is gone. While yes many of the times when that happens in the comics it does cheapen the story, what people fail to notice is that sometimes bringing a dead character back could bring back as much demension and development to the character as much as it does killing them off.

[@vicentegeonix]

Not really

[@vicentegeonix]

@@themadtitan7603 nah

[@oatmat]

One of the Greatest Spider-Man Stories ever, Tim Scale as the artist and Jeph Loeb in his prime what else could you ask for

[@comicsandstuff7239]

Pretty good, but imagine Jim Lee or Alex Ross for art!

[@fynnthefox9078]

@@comicsandstuff7239 Hmm... Has Jim Lee ever drawn Spider-Man? I'm curious now.

[@tjjordan4207]

I wonder if the death of his son affected his writing later on. The dude went down hill.

[@treyurbach2550]

@@tjjordan4207 it was definitely the death of his son. Look no further than Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum which both came less than five years after his son.

[@dreamons]

My favorite way they deal with the Peter/Gwen/MJ thing was in Universe X. Where Peter gets to make his own illusion universe, and he's married to Gwen and MJ marries Harry. The idea being that not that Peter doesn't love MJ, it's that he will always feel responsible for killing Gwen (since his webbings technically snapped her neck). And MJ (he feels) deserves better than him because of that.

[@superminun1]

Where do you read this?

[@Shoub-kb9sk]

Universe X Spidey tie in

[@joaoafonso211]

Ele sempre preferiu a Gwen

[@joshualarkin3503]

Love the discussion on dating habits in the 60s. Had that same conversation with my dad at 18. The concept of dating more than one woman without serious consequence at a time seems insane now. Apparently, the worst that could happen then was getting the reputation as being a "Good Time Charlie."

[@edwardosquidwardo660]

One of my favorite episodes of back issues, I always laugh uncontrollably at the Archie bits, and the Rick and Morty references

[@LifeIsForEmos8D]

Looking forward to Loeb & Sale to release "Rhino: Brown"

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

That's a great Pre-Halloween gift, Sal. Thank you for reminding us of Norman Osborn's "OH!" face.

[@cisnerd_2093]

That Archie tangent was a high point. I would watch a whole Archie episode, and I don't know those characters at all.

[@bravos1076]

This whole episode was hilarious. That and the threesome line. "Forget the book. Forget the soup. Just fuck me ladies." "Your so damn attractive Peter I have to kiss you." Lol

[@comet_omlette]

my chest started to hurt after laughing too hard

[@ryebreadreturn1]

+Comet Mine too! One of our best episodes I think

[@williambrown873]

+Comet I'm just glad they put that whole conversation *behind*

[@JoshMunroe]

Gwen Stacy: Science Ghost... this Fall on the CW. Also, I'd love it if you guys did Dark Victory on Halloween as the follow-up to last year. Go ComicPOP!

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Sal I think I need help, I've watched every back issues at least 5-10 times. I think I'm having a serious addiction.

[@comicpop]

+It's Over 9000 Productions I can't fault you for that! Have you caught the two secret Back Issues on Comicstorian's channel?

[@jae7682]

+ComicPOP! Those are a thing? Going to check. NEED. MORE. BACK ISSUES.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Yep, Spider-Man Family Business and Original Sin. I'm telling you its an addiction.

[@comicpop]

It's Over 9000 Productions Fair enough!

[@fredbushee9161]

+It's Over 9000 Productions I thought I was the only one XD, I put them on when I'm cooking, or doing home work

[@bgajdek]

No room for you Harry. This is serious spider-three-way fan fiction...

[@PlayForLOLs]

For a book that kinda seems like its depressing, this was easily the funniest Back Issues yet! Keep up the great work guys!

[@JoshMunroe]

Episodes like this and Secret Wars (1984) are why you stick around for the last 5-10 minutes.

[@AustinShirkey]

My god Sal commenting on his youth killed me, love this show!

[@timcarder2170]

hope peter showered before he and gwen got it on...considering he was out swinging around, and battling kraven just before....lol

[@tjjordan4207]

After all the attempts to win him over I don’t think she cared

[@Bobbybillybillbob]

That scent of Kraven increased his masculinity to Gwen

[@ridge825]

As you know Gwen can't resist the "animal magnetism" on Peter

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

They never banged. Peter said so himself in Sins Past.

[@ridge825]

@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 We don't mention that

[@kevinmarques7716]

I legitimately laughed out loud when Sal said Uncle Ben was basically a "Hang in There" kitty poster lol. Great line!

[@supaflycomix]

"You're gonna see me with my web shooters!" I LOVE THIS SHOW😂😂😂

[@FieryFiendJazz]

He should give those recordings to Spider-Gwen. Spider-Gwen Green? (The Lizard is green after all)

[@killer101677]

hands down the funniest episode. the gwen,mary jane, and peter threesome bit was amazing. my wife was cracking up as well.she had me play the bit 3 times

[@marnetteryes2613]

I would like them to do a 'Spider-Man red' and they could end it with their wedding

[@XEspadaSaDiosX]

Great video guys, I love your channel btw, I think House of M Peter being married to Gwen has more to do with "Gwen never died" than "Gwen is better than MJ" MJ is his true love now but if Gwen was alive they never would've gotten together. Well, probably.

[@TeemoQuinton]

Gwen will always be Peter's greatest love

[@Shadow916_]

@@TeemoQuinton Until Sins past happened.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

I bought this comic because of you guys. Honestly one of my favorite Spider-Man stories ever!

[@comicpop]

+jonathan mortensen I'm so glad you liked it!

[@maxnewman1688]

Oh my god this is a great episode, love Spider-Man blue/the discussion of Archie characters sexuality

[@spagredo]

I've read yellow, blue, and gray, and Like a lot of people, Blue is hands-down my favorite one of the colors books. Keep it up, guys!

[@Murdock_the_Pooch]

I had to come to this video after your episode on Spider-Man: Sins Past solely to cleanse my memory of Gwen Stacy, as well as my soul. What a terrible story!

[@diegocobos6605]

I always find myself coming back to this episode of Back Issues. Spider-Man Blue is my favorite Spider-Man story of all time, and while I've reread it many times, I always do it with a bit of melancholy. It is only when I see Sal explain it so masterfully that I am reminded of how fun this book can be as well. Happy Valentines to everyone feeling a little bit blue.

[@DuranJones]

I'm not really a big commenter, but I've been a fan since you first appeared on the weekly pull and this might be the funniest back issues yet. Keep the great content coming.

[@comicpop]

Thanks Duran!

[@TevyaSmolka]

+ComicPOP! great reviw

[@77mcgiver]

At 30:34 it's when it gets crazy AND funny! I was like WTF ?! And I was laughing haha

[@77mcgiver]

also at 33:04 haha

[@oldfan4049]

From the story of Gwen Stacy's life...to a story about Rhino who can't poop! In one video!! I love you guys XDDDDD

[@rameenakb]

love all the random tangents in this lmao

[@the_thunderer6980]

I've watched the entirety of back issues ... too many times to count and no matter when I watch this one.. the vert end, gets me every time. I nearly cry laughing, every time. thank you guys so much

[@quentonlyles619]

Absolutely hysterical episode! The Batman bit had me in tears!

[@noahkennedy9859]

This is my favorite Back Issues from every standpoint... It made me laugh, covered one of my favorite stories, and I got to see Sal, Ethan, and Ben enjoy it. Never change guys.

[@Marcus-xk9im]

This is the funniest back issues I've seen so far. Haven't seen all of them but this one definitely tops the cake.

[@stillearthbound]

Best episode of Back Issues yet. This was awesome. Thanks, guys!!

[@robertwild9447]

Sal, just wondering, but have you seen the animated film Batman: Under the Red Hood? I have the same issues with the comics that you do, but I thought the film was fantastic. I thought they fixed a lot of the issues with the comics, and I liked how they illustrated it more as Batman's greatest failure coming back to haunt him. Like, what's worse than Batman failing to save Jason Todd? It's Jason Todd returning as everything Batman stands against. But he's not a one dimensional villain or anti hero in the film, Jason sees himself as a better Batman. He believes that crime can't be stopped, you have to control it. That's what I like about Jason in the film, he has point. It goes deeper than just the argument as to why Batman should or should not kill. Anyway, great show, and I'd love to here your thoughts (btw, hoping for a back issues of Batman: Endgame sometime soon :D)

[@shaddowrealm]

I remember in the death in the family episode of back issues he mentioned him and Ben have seen it

[@lexofpower2822]

Years later and I still agree with you man. I feel like the resurrection of Jason Todd should add more to the whole “greatest failure” aspect of Batman and the movie does it so well. I just tell people to watch the movie than read the comic for it.

[@robertwild9447]

@@lexofpower2822 I forgot about this comment, and I still stand by it! Thanks for saying that, totally agree. Very few animated Batman films in the last decade have been just as good as Under the Red Hood in my opinion.

[@lexofpower2822]

@@robertwild9447 I think the Death of Superman/ Reign of the Supermen movie are better than the comic. They’re more put together than the originals.

[@jae7682]

Guys I have an addiction. I love Back Issues so much that I've even turned to watching the Superman ones... (I don't really like him that much) I dunno why but I just can't get enough of the show. Also Ethan, I love how confused you look half the time, it's hilarious!

[@ryebreadreturn1]

+Jade Slade That look usually signified a combination of confusion plus irritation with plot absurdities

[@725TheRizzo]

Comic Pop doing one of my favorite Spider-man stories? WINNING!

[@SavageAcorn]

Love the show. For a halloween special could you guys do Marvel Zombies?

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Ooh! You know, that's not a bad idea.

[@06pyroman]

that's a sick idea!!

[@bergerchicken]

Your dream finally came true

[@SavageAcorn]

Nathan Berg Lol, I know right!

[@diegocobos6605]

One of the funniest Back Issues to the day! I found myself laughing more than expected. You guys discussing Archie or dating advice for superheroes would be amazing!

[@yfullman]

Blackest Night for the Halloween Special!

[@creme8338]

+stephen allen (mrfunnyman534) they did blackest night now, but i think dark victory wouldve made a way better episode.

[@creme8338]

stephen allen yeah right? since they did Long Halloween before, it wouldve made so much sense! and blackest night isnt all that halloweeny.

[@patriciajones7962]

+stephen allen (mrfunnyman534) ,

[@JosePocholoAmistad]

I was really drawn to the art in this one. Tim Sale was amazing here. And it had a great story by Jeph Loeb to compliment it with. Really glad I got the chance to get a hardbound copy of this story. Great show , guys. One of the funniest yet.

[@arthurofold9737]

This has got to be one of the best episodes of Back Issues!

[@sirscizor8935]

all of y'all's Back Issues are great but, this is the best one I've seen in a while. Great job and my sides hurt from laughing!

[@MichaelGiulianoMPL]

Re-watching this, and I don't think I've laughed harder at any other episode before

[@comicpop]

+Michael Giuliano Michael, I think I have to agree with you.

[@parkerfrazier1414]

i want to buy that uncle ben shirt hahah

[@MrMarvelFan101]

A week after my birthday, you do my favorite comic of all time. THANK YOU!!!

[@johnskinner9697]

I'm not a big Spiderman fan, but that being said, this is the only comic I ever cried at after reading it...

[@bradleystroup1457]

great episode of back issues. dig the story and the jokes along the ride. instant classic for you guys

[@harsh00720]

MJ is a super model and redhead peter if u dont act fast logan will take her

[@megatronsroyalemissary382]

He tried that once, actually... lol

[@rafaelssj]

Harsh Bawaskar Ultimate Spiderman.....?

[@megatronsroyalemissary382]

Rafael Ssj Yup!

[@Pryrates89]

This might be one of the best episodes of Back Issues. I just rewatched it and had an awesome time!

[@anothercleverusername992]

I'll never think of the Peter/Mary/Gwen entanglement the same again after, _"Why don't you with your chicken soup and you with the your Huck Finn both come over to this bed..."_

[@thetreeshaker4143]

Thanks for making me piss my pants laughing at work, comic pop

[@jesse8699]

Thank you for this. Now its a must have for me. Love Gwen.

[@joaoafonso211]

Também amo Gwen

[@ShardSpyder]

I don't think I've ever laughed this hard at a Back Issues episode. This one is for the record books boys.

[@ishaanallidina4488]

My top 5 best Spider-Man comics of all time are: 1. The Night Gwen Stacy died 2. Spider-Man No More (Amazing Spider-Man issue #50) 3. Amazing Spider-Man issue #33 4. Spider-Man: Blue 5. Ultimate Spider-Man Volume 1

[@Clandry1990]

Best Spiderman story yet. Loeb and Sale arcs could all be high Calibur miniseries or movies.

[@DWViking4]

God that Rick and Morty was amazing and hilarious made me laugh for a good minute or 2! Funniest Back Issue in a while, great episode!

[@johnkalek8789]

One of your best episodes ever

[@Damon.]

YESSSSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE EVER SINCE YOU GUYS DID DAREDEVIL YELLOW

[@r.babylon2885]

So, that ending you guys did was awesome. You just went through my exact thoughts about the rhino suit. Except the part about Sandman. I always thought that Rhino's goons or the cops had to squeeze the suit to empty him. Or Galactus would treat him like a grape between his fingers. Splat.

[@alZiiHardstylez]

That fella on the right is a great listener. What a chill dude.

[@LameWorks]

Great episode, probably one of my favourites

[@parkerfrazier1414]

you guys are so awesome that last week i bought my first comic

[@Noahiscoolish]

Great episode guys! I actually bought the Colors Collector's Edition with all three color stories. I actually like Hulk: Grey, but to be fair I haven't read much hulk. Anyway, keep up the great work as always!

[@Amadeo78]

While I enjoyed this...the Rick and Morty reference killed me. I needed that laugh.

[@Grievousish]

Recently read all the Colour stories. Man are they good. I think this one is my favourite out of the 3.

[@howardroark3208]

This is the funniest episode I've seen the only thing that approaches its Skeletor ... just really good and thoroughly enjoyed thx

[@gloriacalderon4789]

Thanks great show.

[@superioridiot3846]

17:05 I lost it 😂

[@cocoquito4ever]

Great video, Spider-man Blue is one of my favorite comics ever. Please make a Back Issues about Superman for all seasons, because that's where Jeph Loeb made a character out of Lana Lang. Greetings from Argentina

[@I_Am_Gassy]

I don't think the House of M Peter was married to Gwen because he wanted her the most, it's likely just because he wanted her not to die.

[@Sicod79]

The ending is so low key and such and emotional gut punch.

[@thepaulmorse]

Hey guys, love the show. Helpful bit of tech support, since you guys changed your camera, it records at a different frame rate. If you want to remove those flickering lines from your tv, change its display to 1080i rather than 1080p. You can google the difference between interlace and progressive. Doesn't really matter, but it'll help. Keep up the great work :)

[@jepsmcsmackin2507]

Rip me at 30:38

[@eqs1782]

With valentine around the corner decided to rewatch this episode

[@vitanpatel2061]

Reading this book is such an experience!

[@Vergil7553]

this show gets better and better

[@regularguy5403]

Even after 5 years, Ben’s line *33:05* always cracks me up for a good minute every time I rewatch this video. 😂

[@julianmitchell2186]

The Rino shit talk at the end just had me losing it

[@anothercleverusername992]

I can't stop thinking about how much I like the concept they briefly stumbled on and barely touched upon where _Kraven The Hunter_ gets his moniker and/or status, not only as a Supervillain in general, but especially as _"The Hunter"_ by- sure, being a real life Big Game and Sports Hunter... But mainly by coming on to the scene and first taking on all of the main Animal Themed Spider-Villains. Taking down/besting, _Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Lizard, and Doctor Octopus..._ saving Spider-Man himself as the big Final Game/Main Event- of course, losing... But having his Legend grow and gaining the title of _"The Hunter"_ because he DID, after all, defeat most of Spider-man's more powerful Rogues. It's REALLY cool for _Kraven_ and would help make him cool(a rarity for Kraven) in a VERY light Retcon of his first battles with Spidey, and at the same time would show how badass Peter is as he ultimately beat him... I don't know. The idea is kinda blowing my mind.

[@oatmat]

This Book deserves to be part of Continuity

[@mad0813]

@comicPOP I think what he always wanted in house of m was that Gwen never died and it's saying if she never died then they would of gotten married.

[@YourMarvelFan]

I think Gwen is his true love. If he wanted Gwen to not die his desires would've been for her to not die but he still be with Mary Jane....obviously that didn't happen....so it kinda tells me that he loved Gwen more

[@joaquinjfernandez1528]

Captain Spider-Man mj beats gwen by a huge margin she just died

[@Nightman221k]

Gwen's death pretty much marred him for love. He and Gwen were on a course to marriage, when she died it ripped apart his first really meaningful romance and it also kind of ended his more innocent years (the college years had the best conflict while Peter could still have untarnished happiness). He can love Mary Jane too but the fact that Gwen's death happened will always be the reason he ended up with MJ. (In the comics that is) If Gwen never died Mary Jane may never have been more willing to share her vulnerability with Peter, if you look at how she was prior to Gwen dying Peter didn't really like or care for Mary Jane much.

[@AlexWilliamS-el2vu]

33:10 is the moment that made me subscribe to this channel one year ago...

[@UnderdogTactics]

Actually, this sounds like the movie "Stand By Me". Each bookends the death of a loved one or a best friend later in life. This is one I will definitely check out.

[@IvanTheTurrible]

In the past week, I've watched more episodes of back issues than I care to admit.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

50:40 for the iconic Rhino conversation

[@chadwilcox3775]

This is the funniest back issues in a while

[@Kal-El_138]

This episode was really funny, unfortunately I was eating when you guys started talking about Rhino's suit.

[@GUNDAMSTARX]

Awesome, I started reading this not too long ago.

[@oatmat]

I don't think MJ and Peter have like an open relationship, its more like they go on one date(which is more like a meet and greet set up by there aunts) and then peter doesn't pursue it cause he's into Gwen so MJ doesn't try to be clingy but still wants him and goes after him by going on a "date" with Harry basically to make Peter Jealous

[@monstermanalex1313]

I'm still waiting on the "Uncle Ben Hang in There" merch....

[@Chase-id6ob]

I can't believe I have been watching comic pop for almost a decade