The M3 Pro MacBook Pro was a downgrade

[@JerrySchulze]

The battery health on my M2 Max is still 100%. I actually recorded talking talking about this, but because I was rambling, I removed it. This computer sits at my desk basically always so it doesn’t cycle. Also, macOS keeps the battery at 80% charge when always plugged in.

[@stephanier5220]

Doesn't the battery need to be used tho to extend the life?

[@julianc691]

How does mac OS keep the battery at 80% when charged? What setting are you using

[@JerrySchulze]

🛍 Buy the M3 Pro MacBook Pro: geni.us/OY89N9p 👀 My M3 MacBook Pro has a Problem!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHvUk2qNZb6gpbM

[@alunelu111]

While some aim for the M3 Max just for the latest tech, I ordered the M3 Pro MacBook Pro 16" with 36GB RAM and 1TB. It's geared towards my needs-web development (iOS simulators, tons of Chrome tabs, VS Code, Docker, etc.), along with Photoshop, Lightroom, and video editing. Making the leap from my trusty 2018 15" Intel MacBook Pro. Hoping I made the right call!

[@JerrySchulze]

Going to be an amazing upgrade!!!

[@paulh6933]

my needs are very similar to yours. thinking either 36 or 48 for memory. am considering 48 b/c of docker w/ sql server

[@DigiDriftZone]

Note the 16" is significantly heavier and thicker, I ended up going for the 14" to get a machine much nicer to travel with. If you aren't travelling with it often though the extra 1" display is noticeably bigger.

[@paulh6933]

@@DigiDriftZone was considering the 14", but then saw something on utube showing it had some performance issues and ran the single fan hard and earler than the 16. the size difference isn't a factor, the weight i agree w/ u. but i do not fly much.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@paulh6933 The single fan is only on the base model, the pro and max have dual fans, there is thermal throttling on the 16/40 m3 max but not on the binned 14/30 m3 max. If size isn't a factor the 16" has quieter fans, more battery, better speakers, obviously more screen real estate, so a lot of benefits - but for me it was just too big and heavy to the point of being uncomfortable to pick up - noticeably bulkier than the 15" - and it doesn't fit on planes/trains, certain tables in cafes, etc, much prefer the size/weight of the 14" and plug into a larger display at home / at the office :)

[@lafemmedevastation]

The reason you were experiencing stutters when encoding on M3 is because, unless you get the M3 Max, your memory is speed-bottlenecked now. The M2 series doesn't suffer this, but Apple introduced memory bottlenecking as a new "feature" apparently (lol).

[@capyslay_guoba]

is there any way to turn it off?

[@inigogc]

@@capyslay_guoba no. They reduce the memory bandwidth on a physical level. It is impossible to "turn it off". Sorry.

[@AllgoodthingsTv]

When it comes to the battery discussion at 7:42, one thing you didn't show was the *health* of the M2 Max battery compared to the M3 Pro. The M2 Max is probably no longer at 100% like the brand new M3 Pro (those batteries tend to degrade fairly fast, at least up to 80%) That makes a difference in how long they can hold a charge.

[@JerrySchulze]

Actually it is 100% and I did record talking about that but I cut it because I was rambling. It probably has less than 50 charge cycles because it is at my desk almost all the time. I probably should have re recorded that bit. Thanks so much for watching.

[@jimtipton8888]

I'd personally stick with the M2 Max facing the same decision. I've watched a bunch of reviews and there seems to be a consensus that although on paper (benchmarks) the M3 is faster by a lot, real world use doesn't produce the same gains. Seems like a lot of folks are sticking with the M2 or M1 chip.

[@marcrodet4900]

Benchmarks test maximum usage. If a usage does not require all the power of a chip, of course real world usage is not going to make any difference. Besides, benchmarks are only partial gauges

[@chidorirasenganz]

The M3 generation was focused on 3d rendering and gaming. If you don’t do those much then yeah you won’t see much difference aside from improved single core performance

[@marcrodet4900]

@@chidorirasenganz battery life is quite different and in favor of the M3

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@marcrodet4900 Mainly on the M3 Pro which saw an increase in efficiency cores

[@ExplorerOfTheGalaxy]

@@chidorirasenganz Depends a lot!! If you're buying a M3 Pro for gaming instead of M2 Max you're doing it wrong because Max chip has 2 video encoders (GPU) while the Pro chip only has one. So you'd better opt for the M3 Max if you're gaming.. Don't know about the battery, though.

[@Ludwig55555]

For me, the differences, the application, Vivid, it makes the display 50% brighter so I'm getting the 16 inch MacBook Pro

[@rodrigomalutta]

Could you please do a comparison between 18gb vs 36gb of ram? Real world usage; Lightroom, FCP, multitasking, comparing in the activity monitor

[@bryans8656]

I'm running an M1 Pro MBP 14 because I haven't seen enough improvement in the M2 or M3 line to make me want to upgrade. So obviously my recommendation is to sit tight with your M2 Max.

[@JerrySchulze]

Smart move.

[@psysword]

Obviously you're not pushing your M1 Pro. I'm easily able to push my 16 gb Ram to stuttering in video and audio editing.

[@bryans8656]

@@psysword Nope, I don't need to do that much multitasking on my laptop.

[@psysword]

@@bryans8656 multitasking? No solo video editing with multiple plugins

[@bryans8656]

@@psysword I may be mistaken, but I think memory (aka RAM) sees plugins as multitasking. Same concept as having a few dozen Chrome tabs open.

[@woofiooxx]

Jeez you too . All KZbinrs now making vids saying -- I made a mistake 😂😂😂 the clickbait is real this week

[@JerrySchulze]

Hope you watch it because I had reasons to get the Pro and now… idk.

[@shazmimain8293]

Apple M3 Pro Chip Has 25% Less Memory Bandwidth Than M1/M2 Pro lol could you at least do a basic research bfr claiming someone is clickbaiting? my god the laziness is real for some people

[@rwstavros]

The biggest problem I see is ... There is no upgrade path in any of the newer Macs. The only upgrade is replacement. So, you end up overspecing a machine "to be safe" UGH!

[@AG-cc1mg]

Thats what apple wants for people to constantly 'upgrade" no matter how much you pay for it just upgrade every year. That would be great but the average person cannot and will not afford to do thar. Curently using M1 pro 16in and love it. im not wasting money on buying another one just for something newer because Apple says so.

[@babyyoda6771]

Yeah you’re starting to realize that you don’t need to upgrade every generation.. same with iPhones, watches, etc.

[@akin242002]

Sometimes manufacturers make a great product too great. If someone got the M1 Max, they are good until the M5 Max. If someone got the M2 Max, they are good until the M6 Max. If someone got the M3 Max, they are good until the M7 Max.

[@babyyoda6771]

@@akin242002 yeah, imo the only reason to upgrade every generation is if there’s a redesign or feature you really want. I use a m2 air as my main device right now and I don’t think I’d see a need to upgrade for a while for the tasks I do on it.

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep, or if you find you need more ram or disk space.

[@babyyoda6771]

@@JerrySchulze that too 👍

[@jimmymac2292]

​@akin242002 it all depends on use case. If I bought a m1 max, I wouldn't have to upgrade until it stopped working

[@jpracing893]

There was a reason Apple didn’t show much comparison between M2 and M3 Especially the Pro chips, single core sure is a little different but on multi core my 16” M2 Pro gets 14700 score and on average the 12 Core M3 Pro gets 15500 which is negligible. 3nm was overhyped a bit. On the plus side I think the M3 Max chips are great and have higher core counts now…Just the added cost

[@benmcewan560]

Apple has to satisfy its shareholders by driving sales no matter what. Engineering doesn’t always progress as fast as you’d expect or want

[@SeanMather]

This makes sense, and also a “yeah duh.” It’s like comparing a V-12 car from last year to a V-8 from this year. Just because it’s a year newer doesn’t mean it’s better than the older top of the line. Expecting it to perform the same is unreasonable. Now, for most average people they wouldn’t be upgrading from a less than a year old M2 Max to the M3 Pro, they’re upgrading from an old creaky intel based Mac. Or if they are, say like a production house that will benefit from an even 5% increase in performance, they’re going to go right to an m3 Max, because they need the extra power, money be damned. Just from the specs, it’s got like half the gpu power, so of course rendering video is going to take a hit. And if you look at your gpu use chart, the m3 pro is basically at the top consistently, basically at 98-100% (not real exact numbers, just to make the point), while the m2 max has some variation so it’s running at like 90-100%. The more time at 100%, the more likely you are going to notice a slow down. This is good to know, and if you can get a great deal on an m2 max, you should consider it. However, given that Apple typically rolls the pricing over year to year, and deals on old models are hard to find, you usually just buy the most current one. It’s really only tech reviewers, and first adopters that have this “must buy a new Mac every year but cost is a problem” issue. It doesn’t make much sense for a normal user to replace any m1 or m2 Mac for the equivalent model m3, and definitely not to downgrade tiers like this. They’re not that separated in performance or features enough. Now if you bought an m1 and you want an M3 Max, generally moving up the tier list, sure there’s logic there. For an example of what I mean, I use my windows laptop for normal use and gaming, and it’s 5-ish years old, but it’s working fine for everything I throw at it. Could some games be even better on new hardware? Of course, but it works well enough for my needs, and it’s not causing frustration that would make me go get a new laptop yet. My previous laptop was slowing down hard, was about 8 or so, and the w key had fallen off… and it’s still acting as my media server now, even though it’s like 12 now. That’s kind of the realistic upgrade pattern for most people who can’t justify dropping a few thousand dollars every year. Overall, it’s nice to see the performance comparison, and to learn about some of the real world limitations of the m3 pro, but yeah, there was never a chance that the m3 Pro would come out on top. I would send back the m3 and be happy with the m2 max. It’d be cool to see some comparisons on it vs even older hardware. But yeah, enjoy your m2 until you don’t anymore.

[@JerrySchulze]

I appreciate that. If I didn’t notice any perf issues with FCP, it I would keep it.

[@JerrySchulze]

Probably..

[@JerrySchulze]

Maybe

[@DigiDriftZone]

The m3 pro is a 6 core machine - the other 6 ecores combined take up less die space than a single p-core, they don’t count. So the max is basically 12 core vs 6 core, twice as fast.

[@emiwan79]

The max has 8 p cores not 12. And the p and e cores of the M3 are better. The thing that is making fcp slower is that the M3 pro has half the GPU cores. Which are much much better of those on the M2 max but just for raytracing and 3d rendering. For fcp are the same and are just half of the Max cores so that's it.

[@DigiDriftZone]

​@@emiwan79 The binned M3 Max has 12 P-cores, the non-binned as 14 P-cores.

[@emilioaranguren8829]

@@DigiDriftZone I thought that you were talking about the M2 Max, which has 8 + 4. Yes the m3 max is a beast in comparison :).

[@alexandermuller8858]

Im getting the new macbook m3 max with 128gb RAM. Will be using it for Web browsing only, but that way i feel comfortable to have some stacked up performance in the back.

[@renehazekamp3951]

Interesting, I use a 2012 macmini, 16 GB with a 512 GB sata SSD for browsing, checking Resolve timelines and writing (Word, Final Draft, Scrivener) and I'm still quite comfortable

[@gp3012]

😂 I just saw a video about a teenage girl that had to upgrade her iphone because of a color. Very similar to the pro geek that wants to blow his money to buy the latest and greatest. It’s okay Jerry, at least you’re actually honest about it.

[@dell1032]

I have the M1 MacBook Air from 2021 with 16 GB of RAM. It runs fast and smooth, no hiccups whatsoever. It's a joy to use my Air. If you're on Apple Silicon there is no need to get the M3 computers. M1 and M2 are too damn good.

[@djsnowpdx]

It is absolutely silly to upgrade every gen while also cost-cutting. In fact, Intel to the M1 family or from a base chip to a Max chip is ordinarily the only justification. The vast majority of consumers have no business upgrading every gen because it simply costs too much, and the ones that do have both money (lots) and interest buy the very top every time. Professionals are similar - it’s about how much money the machine makes you and how much it was in your way before. The stutters in Final Cut could just as easily be software optimizations for the M3 family that have yet to happen as a raw performance difference, but there’s a good chance the M3 Pro will never get the edge in export times. Personally, I will be keeping my M1 Max machine, as it solved every gripe I had with my Intel+AMD MacBook and my workload has yet to redline it. That said, I really like the exploration of the M3 Pro performed by High Yield, and though it has some regressions vs. M2 Pro, I think it’s a really neat chip. You can avoid letting the world know you are a peasant by buying silver every year - never goes out of style. 😉 If I may ask, what are your finances like, Jerry? I’m worried for you. The YT channel must bring you a lot of joy, and it’s cool that you get to talk about this tech, but maybe it’s time to change the pattern. :)

[@kamalaksh.shenoy]

Hi Jerry, I query that I always have when I watch KZbin videos where MacBooks are compared (last year's and this year's) especially the battery tests is that - last year's battery might have eroded (chemically) due to the usage you people might have (bcos u people run quite heavy & intensive tasks). How do you people calibrate that against the new Macs whose batteries are fresh and new?

[@JerrySchulze]

See my pinned comment on that and hope that helps.

[@abeeraref]

I have a MacBook Pro 15" (late 2013) with 8GB of RAM and 256GB storage I am planning to upgrade to the Apple silicon I am thinking about MacBook Pro 14" (M1 MAX) with 64GB of RAM and 2TB or MacBook Pro 14" (M3 Pro with 11‑core CPU, 14‑core GPU) with 36GB of RAM and 1TB I use photoshop and illstrator and revit for archituctre design I would like to Know your opinion in what should i buy?!

[@JerrySchulze]

I am confident that the M3 Pro will be a super upgrade for you.

[@abeeraref]

thank you @@JerrySchulze

[@Brian-mp6bg]

I just ordered my M3 Pro MacBook Pro 16/ 36GB/1T and am moving over from Intel. I tried to future proof without over spending to specs that I don't need for photo work. Hopefully I can get 2 or 3 years out of it. Gonna miss the Touch Bar, though

[@JerrySchulze]

Should last way longer than 2-3. Congrats!

[@Brian-mp6bg]

@@JerrySchulze Thanks. I hope so. Worried that the explosion of AI in photography will accelerate obsolescence.

[@JerrySchulze]

Valid concern unfortunately.

[@jeffwilliams7669]

I follow a Rule. I upgrade Odd Model Years. Except I have an M1 as my daily, I upgraded from an MacBook Pro I7 I use for coding, to an M3. So, no loss on my part.

[@willi4242]

Hey Jerry, I am coming from a 10yo MacBook Air 13' with a 1,4 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 - and what can I say - the MacBook Pro 14 with M3 Pro is blowing my mind - especially concerning Battery Life and even Gaming (iE Stray). So it's as always a question of perspective ;) The Export of an 12min Movie with iMovie did take some time on the M3, but with my Air I could go out for a run for that. And what really makes my difference is the work in iPhoto what became nearly unusable with my old Air!

[@JerrySchulze]

That’s so great to hear! That jump is huuuuuge!

[@brentsmithline3423]

See that professionals in the high end production, scientific and financial world may see the need to update on a faster pace than normals. Time is money and need to use the best tool for the job. This normal moved to Apple M1 MacBook Air to replace my 2014 5K 27 inch iMac. Going to have it until at least until 2027 before I will look to replace it.

[@elliekim6666]

I got the M3 pro MacBook and love it. Coming from a M2 Air. Mostly for the Mini LED screen and the SD card. slot. I want to start with photo editing as a hobby and I wanted to get the M3 Base pro but after looking at upgrading the ram for $200 more I get 1 more USB C port and that black color lol.

[@JerrySchulze]

That’s awesome and it will be great for photos.

[@JimKanaris]

Loving my 16" M3 Pro (Base - SB)! I upgraded from my 16" M1 Pro, for no other reason than resale value; the M1 Pro is still a beast for most users. I worry about the durability of the Space Black, but it looks so friggen good!

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

If I'm reading various specifications correctly: *Memory Bandwidth:* 200 GB/s (M2 Pro) - 400 GB/s (M2 Max) *Memory Bandwidth:* 150 GB/s (M3 Pro) - 400 GB/s (M3 Max)

[@frostgodx]

and these limitations mean absolutely nothing in the real world use. You will never ever be using that much data transfer for it to be a limitation so this is not something i would consider to be relevant in a decision making process

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

@@frostgodx - I'm just wondering if that might explain some of the benchmark results as given in this video. I'm not trying to sell either machine, I'm just curious about those results. Do you have an alternate explanation for the *real world timings* that were described in this video?

[@WorksOnMyComputer]

In rendering the final output I might agree, but it could explain some stuttering in video editing on the timeline. For that kind of code where you are shuffling stuff around in real time, memory bandwidth is going to be pushed a lot harder. @@frostgodx

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

I have about 2 weeks to get AppleCare on my 14” M3 pro. It’s the $2000 model. I’m very careful with my stuff and I’m wondering if I need to spend the money on it. It’s $100 a year or $279 for three years. I’d probably go with the yearly thing. Any suggestions?

[@JerrySchulze]

Ya, I go back and forth on this. If you plan on moving it around frequently then maybe consider it. If it is going to be on a desk for most of its life you may not need it.

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

@@JerrySchulze Thanks. I’ll probably be taking it outside sometimes when I’m driving the truck. With the winter coming it’ll probably be better to get it.

[@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll]

Oh man the old keyboard is beyond yucky! Not your fault but what happened to those protection stickers for keycaps?

[@JerrySchulze]

They drive me nuts after a couple weeks.

[@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll]

@@JerrySchulze fair enough. I hope I will live long enough for apple to wear less about outside fingerprints that one does nto see while using the product, and more about keycaps wear we see very single second we use the product.

[@dooovde]

Wish they'd soften the edges where your palms rest when typing or using the touch pad...it feels like a sharp corner sticking into your wrist

[@maurocigliuti7575]

any updates on this, did you finally return it? did you try updating to final cut 10.7? my guess is that the stuttering might have something to do with poor optimization.

[@annatomacari9349]

What would you recommend coming from a Intel MBP? M2 refurbished or M3?

[@JerrySchulze]

For a MacBook Pro? The m2 pro and Max refurb will save a lot and get great performance.

[@mypicturesbox]

I can’t decide between the M2 Max (12 Core CPU and 38 Core GPU) refurbished or the M3 Pro (12 Core CPU and 18 Core GPU) for 210$ more. Which one would you go for? And which one do you think is faster for video editing?

[@JerrySchulze]

The Max will be faster for editing and the M2 Max is great.

[@The1Weapon]

I don’t personally do video editing and whatnot so I don’t know if this is a dumb question, but could the difference in memory bandwidth be the issue for the playback in FCP? All spec M2 Pro/Max chips had 200 GB/s. In the M3 gen, only the Max has that (150 for the rest).

[@JerrySchulze]

That’s an interesting question because I for a time I was using the base model M1 Pro and didn’t have the same timeline issues. I sent FCp engineers one of my projects but haven’t heard back yet.

[@The1Weapon]

@@JerrySchulze to that point, this is actually the first generation where they aren’t using at least 200 GB/s memory bandwidth in the Pro chips, if I’m not mistaken. So it would make sense that it was more fluid on your M1 Pro as well, if that was the limiting factor.

[@riflemann14]

Is the M2 Max warm in low power mode, as well?

[@JerrySchulze]

You know, I have never even tried low power mode guessing that it would give me less power. Something to try

[@MattHalpain]

M2 MBP Max it is!

[@HarshDeepSingh-pc5ou]

Confused between the 14 inch m3 pro, 512 gb, 18gb vs 36gb or the 16 inch m3 max 14c/30c,36 gb 1 tb ssd. My needs are 4k video editing, lightroom and photoshop. I want the max but if m3 pro is enough, I don't want to overspend. Please help me make the right decision.

[@zeneal]

But how can video editing stutter? I do the same stuff basically on a 2018 i7 15” MB pro and have some stuttering but it gets the job done well enough. I thought these M chips will run as smooth as it gets.

[@gerald1964]

There are cooling pads with fans that sit under the notebook that are available in the marketplace which may help reduce the higher temperatures of the 14 inch M2 Max. Personally, I would only purchase a Max notebook in the 16 inch form factor due to the thermal issues that are significant when the CPU cores and particularly the p-cores are pushed to their limits. The p-cores are much larger in terms of die size compared to the e-cores and certainly are clocked at a higher frequency.

[@JerrySchulze]

Maybe, not sure how much that will affect the radiant heat from the keyboard but maybe I should try.

[@justpixelating]

Okay, could you help me out on this one? I have a good custom PC with i7 12 Gen, RTX 3050 8 GB, and 32 GB RAM. I’m a freelance photographer and videographer and use this setup to edit videos and photos. I’m looking for a laptop for shoots and work while travelling. I need a laptop as of now but I guess I can try to stretch my need for a laptop till the end of this year. I’m saving money to get the M3 Pro MacBook Pro 14’’ with the 11 core CPU, 36 GB Ram and 1 TB SSD and I’m considering selling my PC for this laptop. Is it worth it? Also, I am getting a brand new M2 Max MacBook Pro With a 12-Core CPU And 30-core GPU, 32GB Ram 1TB SSD for the same price as the M3 Pro MacBook Pro 14’' with the 11 core CPU, 18GB RAM and 512GB SSD. Now I have 5 option 1. Sell my PC setup and completely switch to a good variant of MacBook 2. Get the M3 MacBook Pro with 16/32 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD and keep my PC as well 3. Buy a good Windows laptop and keep my PC 4. Save more money for the M4 Pro. 5. Or Get the M2 Max MacBook Pro With 12-core CPU And 30-core GPU, 32GB RAM 1TB SSD Note:- 1. Old variants of new MacBooks are the same price as the newer ones in my country 2. I don’t trust refurbished or second-hand laptops in my country If anyone has any configuration suggestions please reply or any other advice Thank you

[@tinadusha]

Thanks for your video comparison! It was really useful. I have Macbook pro 15’ from 2018 and last few months have been really bad. Video editing is almost impossible. Few months ago OBS stopped opening and yesterday Final Cut Pro stopped working as well. My laptop just keeps showing me error window ☹️ And iMovie is stuttering and throws out me from the app from time to time. Exploring internet is going ok on it though. I was happy with my laptop all this year so I wasn’t interested in updating it. I’ve cleaned storage, it doesn’t help. So I’m thinking which one to get, Macbook pro 14 in M2 Max or M3 Pro… I’m kinda tuned off by those stuttering in M3 Pro that I’ve had on my 2018 macbook so maybe M2 is a better option? I’m confused… And I’m also confused by the price of my old laptop. Apple Store offered me 200€🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ And different store 300€, that’s…🤦🏻‍♀️

[@bf.258]

Jerry, thanks for the video.

[@Tigerex966]

Compared to your Intel imac

[@poulanderson2053]

An enlightening video, Jerry; it corroborates some in-depth web-articles I read with benchmarks that point out a cross-tier generational increase in performance for Apple Silicon; e.g M3-Pro is comparable to M2-Max (& so-on) for CPU based tasks. GPU tasks may be a different story which Pro & Max variants depart on considerably!

[@jimtipton8888]

Traded in a 16" M1 Max for the a 14" M3 Pro. Size was the driver. Don't see any really significant difference between the two. If there is its minor. Great having a laptop that I can pack around all day (the 16 sat on my desk). The battery life is insane!

[@JerrySchulze]

That's awesome!

[@MatthewOlls]

Wow what. Downgrade

[@jimtipton8888]

@@MatthewOlls Hasn't felt like a downgrade at all. Matter of fact, I was just thinking how well this computer has performed and exceeded expectations. No regrets.

[@MatthewOlls]

@@jimtipton8888well it is a downgrade. The slight cpu performance is the only upgrade, you’ve downgraded your gpu by nearly 40% to half that of your M1 Max. A insane downgrade wow…

[@jimtipton8888]

@@MatthewOlls Better do a little more research. The only thing I notice that is slower is rendering. One codec vs two. I'm ok with that. I ran an Affinity 2 Benchmark on both machines. Guess who smoked who in both single and multi core CPU and GPU. Give you a hint. Wasn't the M1 Max. What's insane is having a machine I dreaded packing around. No longer have that problem.

[@natsumi3058]

thank you for actually doing a comparison that real users were actually considering rather than the pointless rehashes many apple reviewers churn out.

[@JerrySchulze]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@definingslawek4731]

Are you shooting 10bit h264? If so then I suppose apple, like everyone else does not actually accelerate 10bit h264. Apple does not publish what specific codecs they hardware accelerate, but we know that nobody else in the industry accelerates 10bit h264. Meaning ironically that 10bit h264 is harder to playback than 10bit h265, as h265 10bit is hardware accelerated. You shouldn't shoot 10bit h264 if you can avoid it, but I know sony cameras have funky limitations like no h265 10bit in 30fps.

[@JerrySchulze]

I shoot h.265 10bit, 24fps.

[@VladPayne]

x2 times faster - a little bit? M3 Pro is a joke - it looses to M2 Pro in some scenarios and a lot of video exports will be x2 slower on a pro machine as it has only one media engine, compared to two on MAX machines.

[@valentinbacalu]

What system monitoring app do you use in your menu bar to see the cpu/gpu temps?

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

I picked up the 14” M3 pro last month from Best Buy for $2000. It’s definitely an upgrade from my 13” M1 MBP 16/1tb. The only downgrade for me is the storage. I now have 512 instead of 1tb. My problem is the fans. I have a game that I was playing on windows 11 with parallels on both MacBooks. The M1 got a little warm and you could hear the fan a little. On the M3 pro it gets a little warmer and it the fans a lot louder. Could it be the specs are more or was the M1 better in handling this game? The screen is a whole lot better on the 14”. I’m still in my return period but the 13” is now sold and gone.

[@jddorland]

Was it worth it? Have the 13” m1 and been debating on your same move with the 1tb though. Would love to have the ports back!

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

I returned it so I’m probably gonna get the 14” with the 1tb for $2400. Wish the 16” had the 1tb in the pro chip at Best Buy. Don’t really want the max chip because of what I’ve heard of the heat and the loud fans.

[@jddorland]

@@abdurrahmankhan129 ah gotcha. Did you notice an upgrade though from the m1?

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

@@jddorland Yes I did big time. A better screen and an upgrade on the chip from M1 to M3 pro. I also had just 8cpu and 8gpu cores. Moved up to 11cpu and 14gpu on the M3 pro. Really looking at the 16” for $2500 or $2900 with 36gb ram. Too bad it’s only got 512 ssd. Can’t really justify $3500 for the max plus heat and loud fans. Wish I could but I can’t.

[@jddorland]

@@abdurrahmankhan129 Nice that's good to know. Haven't really seen anybody reviewing the original m1 to the m3 pros. Maybe I'll have to bite the bullet! Thanks for the feedback. Good luck with your purchase!

[@VeitLehmann]

I hope more people will eventually learn the lesson you just learned: You don't always need to jump to the most recent stuff. If your equipment works well for you, keep it and work with it until it's really worth upgrading. This is better for your wallet, better for the environment, and it will make the next upgrade in a couple of years so much more exciting! Also consider buying used or refurbished. Especially the Apple silicon Macs are so powerful that even now, 3 years later, the M1 generation is more than enough for the vast majority.

[@darthvader4899]

If I have never bought macbook and considering to upgrade my lenovo thinkpad p52. I am considering to get m3 max 16 core cpu 40 core gpu 64 gb ram 2 tb. I am mostly considering it for mostly AI and large language models running them locally

[@JerrySchulze]

This guy can help you better than I can with that. Hope you come back for more of my videos though! @AZisk kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoO1pJ1-pdehl5Ysi=9PIYKF4uYyXYIAHP

[@nowandrew4442]

Don't forget that you paid $3000 for your speed issue. If you're going to upgrade, it has to be worth the investment you're putting in - since you already dropped 3000 on the first one. To even consider the Max, the increase you get over the M2 Max has to be worth *another* 3600, not merely worth the $400 difference over the Pro.

[@MorganLiew]

I can buy an m3 pro 18gb 1tb for £2100 or an M2 Max 32gb 1tb for £2700. Not sure if the extra £600 is worth it

[@jdengsky]

did they fix the smudge on the m3 mbp keyboard?

[@JerrySchulze]

Nope they still get shiny. ✨

[@adamrou12345]

Ordered the base m3 pro mac pro 14 to replace a 2019 Vaio Sx12.

[@transitengineer]

Thank you, for this excellent two (2)-week video review. If buying today, I would be ordering off of Apple's refurbished web site one of their M-2 Macbook Pro models (smile...smile).

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep, best deal.

[@brucekennedy5274]

Ok call me Einstein but I’m seeing a pattern here. A lot of KZbinrs are FCP users and their most power hungry work is always video editing and export (naturally). In reviews they try to talk about everything - benchmark, coding, 3d, gaming etc (plus endless analysis of “black” - honestly who cares) but when it comes to the crunch video export time in fcp is what they really care about the most. And all but the M3max machines appear to be a little underwhelming in this department this time around, which is a bummer. It’s possible Apple needs to update FCP to optimise for the new chips, hard to say.

[@Thanoz.]

It's premiere and after effects for me. Everyone speaks on fcp but the leave the adobe video editing softwares out

[@brucekennedy5274]

@@Thanoz. yup, I guess they cant test everything, but Mac youtubers seem to be heavy FCP users (kinda makes sense tbh) Personally I split between FCP and AE (never got on the Premiere train) so AE render times are of interest to me. I believe Prem has caught up quite a bit in the last couple of years, so I'd imagine the gains in Prem speeds are similarly incremental. There's prob some dedicated M3 AE & Premier tests out there, if you scour YT.

[@Thanoz.]

@@brucekennedy5274 most people are saying they're having problems with simple edits and rendering with the m3 pro and even the m3 max when it comes to premiere. Ive used premiere since 2012 and the work flow between premiere and after effects is the best , they're connected so whatever VFX you add in after effects automatic changes in your edit in premiere. Which is why I'm looking at the different MacBooks. I've currently been using a 16gb i9 Intel 10gb gpu And this thing is difficult to edit on due to overheating. I still get work done but it's a hassle and takes the fun out of editing

[@Thanoz.]

@@brucekennedy5274 so I've been constantly watching videos trying to see the difference between M2 pro & M3 pro (16inch) But , for same price M3 pro 16 inch I could get a 16inch M2 max which is beyond what I need. Never had a computer with 32gbs of RAM (Also would have 1tb instead of 512gb)

[@ericmpena]

If you go back to the M2, I bet things like the battery life and heat will start to bother you…and then you’ll end up just wanting to get the M3 Max anyways.

[@JerrySchulze]

Follow up, I am on the M2 Max.

[@Tigerballer88]

derek jeter doing side quests

[@mypicturesbox]

Are these 14 or 16 inches?

[@JerrySchulze]

14.

[@digilifepro]

HELLLP! I ordered an M3 PRO 12-Core 18 Gpu 36GB 512GB SSD, then cancelled it. Then ordered an M2 MAX 12-Core 32GB 1TB 30 gpu REFURB. Now feeling like I should go BACK to M3 PRO as above but 1TB SSD. I mainly do audio, but some light video editing. No gaming. Do I need the 30 GPUs vs 18 GPUs? Prob not. But what about the M2 Max 400 GB/s memory bandwidth vs the M3 Pro 150 GB/s memory bandwidth? Where would this difference likely rear its head?? Can't decide - P.S. I'm coming from a 2013 MBP so ANYTHING will seem amazing now. But it's 2-5 years forward I want to be making this investment for. Any advice?

[@JerrySchulze]

For your use case, I would bet you would be happy with any of them. If you can get a refurb with the memory and ssd space you want, that may be a better investment.

[@digilifepro]

@@JerrySchulze thanks for the reply! What confuses me however is that for non-real world tests (like geekbench) the M3 Pro is a bit better than the M2 Max. And for real-world general use, the same applies: M3 Pro ≥ M2 Max. Yet for demanding work (audio production, basic FCP, complex datasets while browsing the web with 100+ open tabs, I've no idea which would be the better machine. M2 MAX because 400 GB/s bandwidth + 8P Cores? Or M3 PRO because newer architecture, more efficient, and 150 GB/s bandwidth maybe is fine cuz I'd never come close to needed or using the 400 GB theoretical limit of the M2 MAX? FYI The difference for me in price between an M2 MAX Refurb and M3 PRO New (All same specs besides GPUs and bandwidth) is about $75 more for the M2 Max. What would you do?? Not financial advice don't worry. I just really need someone w more current real world experience with these machines to tell me. As of now, the M2 MAX is sitting in an unopened box until I decide to keep or swap. 😬

[@digilifepro]

Oh also here's what my options are as of this moment: MBP 14" M2 MAX, 12 Core (8P + 4E), 30 GPU, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 400 GB/s Mem bandwidth $2270 All-in Vs MBP 14" M3 PRO, 12 Core (6P + 4E), 18 GPU, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 150 GB/s Mem Bandwidth. $2200 All-in. I would greatly appreciate your or anyone's professional/experienced advice on what they'd choose. Thank you vm in advance!

[@frostgodx]

@@digilifepro on paper the better machine is the m2 max but since your not pushing a GPU specific workload for your use case the m3 pro is the better buy here especially with the better battery life less heat brighter display in SDR content. The memory bandwdth will play no role in anything almost anyone does and should not be considered. So if i had your choice (and ive had every M device since release both 16 and 14 because im very indecisive) id go m3 pro 14 with 18 gpu core and 1tb ssd its perfect for your specific use

[@digilifepro]

@@frostgodx hey thanks for the feedback! I was leaning that way as well. However, another comment in another thread mentioned how various software that I will be using doesn't use the P/E cores efficiently. Such that, let's say for example, real-time audio DSP plugins running natively only use up the Performance Cores and do not spill over into Efficiency Cores. So they said having 8P cores in the M2 vs 6P in the M3 would be the better option. But again, feels like I'm splitting hairs bc maybe 6P cores with the newer architecture would be equivalent to 8P cores on the older M2? I swear, I've had so many Macs in my life but this particular decision has been the hardest one to make! I'm really looking for longevity at least HALF of what I got from my Intel MBP 15" which lasted pretty much for 10 years. That being said, would your vote still stick with the M3 Pro ? Thanks again! Cheers

[@onewhoisaboveall]

if youtuber's like MKB who uses red cameras and is a tech pro is even happy with a m1 max. i for sure see no point spending thousands of dollars so i can save 10mins on my export time. time that i wont even notice when i get up to get a soda from my fridge. i won't be upgrading anytime soon till the screen is updated with face id and higher brightness at SD mode. not going to lie after seeing the m3 brightness at 600 the 500 on the m1 still just tad too dim for me.

[@garygallant5390]

If manufacturers didn’t want consumers upgrading every year then there wouldn’t be videos like this.

[@bosse1998]

Will get a MacBook Pro. I have a MacBook Pro 2012 Summer.

[@JerrySchulze]

Wow that is going to be so awesome!

[@bosse1998]

@@JerrySchulze with Apple Display 27".

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

Nice & Thanks :)

[@JerrySchulze]

Thanks for watching.

[@Aka_daka]

The timeline stutter could be less GPU cores 18 v 30 on the m3 pro v m2 max that would be my guess.

[@מדינט]

Apple wanted to make the M3 Max to standout that it made the M3 pro, in demanding tasks, not much better even over the M1 Pro 10C with 8-p cores.

[@dicalpplacid137]

You are not alone experiencing slow fcp on m3 pro even though the geek bench is better than m2 max. Intel used to built in special circuits in their chips if it detects performance testing , activate certain circuits to make it looks faster.

[@cesarn.5330]

Like volkwagen did with their cars to pass inspections

[@Guironey]

thxxxx

[@DanRustle]

there was zero reason to even upgrade from the m2 to the m3pro. the m3s were ment for intel useres looking to upgrade and m1 users. this has been discussed at lenght all over the internet. sounds like you just fell for the newest shiny toy fomo. u had zero business upgrading unless you are a REAL professional doing REAL high end professional work, which is a very tiny minority of macbook users.

[@arcadialive4265]

Yep, this is a downgrade. You have to get the m3 max and then it’s only like 15% better. I love apple but feel like these m3 macs were missing a lot of potential improvements.

[@johnoldham808]

Donate the M3 to me. I’m still languishing on my MacBook Pro mid 2012 🤦‍♂️

[@giovanniramos849]

Went from a Max to a Pro and shocked it wasn’t an upgrade? Common sense bruh

[@JerrySchulze]

Ya

[@honeywine3330]

Skip!

[@piotrd.4850]

Time to admit it: Apple's policy is broken and so are it's products. ON PURPOSE. M1 evidently already brought all horses out of the barn. M2 was somewhat successful attempt to flog a horse a bit more. With M3, horses at Apple cart started dying. Still 8GB base line, cuts on SSD, memory bandwidth, thermals, battery, absurd functional limitations - no two displays on baseline chips, no 120Hz option on 15" Air.

[@AmirQld]

Fucking color m3 pro

[@moennigmann]

so much bla bla bla

[@JerrySchulze]

and yada yada

[@eliasjafaree4907]

👏

[@DigiDriftZone]

The new m3 Max is 50% faster than the M2 Max, it’s a huge leap forward. But the m3 pro is a downgrade in many ways.

[@tuberichter]

I bought a M3Pro coming from a 2018 MBPro 15, i7 - 2.6 Ghz. That’s a huge step. It lost 5% battery life over night in standby whereas the M3 just kept the same. Bought it 2 days ago and had not to charge it yet 😮

[@maxleroy2065]

I am about to make practically same step. 2019 2.3Ghz. Besides the battery how does it feel? 2x responsiveness? 3x? How happy are you with it day to day? Thanks!

[@TheThaiLife]

Yesterday on my 16" M2 Max 32, I had to export 2 videos pretty quickly. For one I had a workflow in Davinci and another FCP with plugins. I took 2 HVEC 4K 10bit multiple layer projects from 2 different Sony Alpha cameras, with noise reduction and exported them at the same time. While they were exporting I created the thumbnails with Photoshop on a 32" 5K monitor and watched KZbin in a 3rd 4K monitor in 4K. I didn't close anything, had a bunch of Chrome tabs, Opera tabs open and I had World of Wracraft minimized. The system DID NOT STUTTER. It was fast, and it was flawless. I bet I could have done the same thing on a M1 Max system too. You guys are seriously making people feel so bad for literally having more power that any sane workflow can't even begin to touch. Also, you literally upgraded the one system that Apple downgraded to differentiate the lineup. For what? Space black?

[@JerrySchulze]

Agree with all you said and you are right. No sane person would do this.

[@digilifepro]

That sounds pretty intense! May I ask, what your 16" M2 Max chip and GPU is? I am coming from a 2013 MPB (😂) so I don't have the reference point to judge the power DIFFERENCE of these two choices. I first ordered a 14" M3 Pro 12 Core 36Gb 512GB then cancelled it before it shipped and went for a 14" M2 Max 12 Core 30 GPU 32gb RAM 1TB refurbished instead.... And it's sitting in the shipping box still bc still not sure if I made the right call. I don't do video like you but same level of multi-work for complex audio mixing, tracks, offline bounces w digital video in sync. Do you think the 400GB/s bandwidth of the M2 MAX is overkill vs the 150GB/s bandwidth of the M3 Pro if I'm not doing all that crazy video stuff?? Thanks cheers

[@TheThaiLife]

Sure, my configuration is the same as you ordered, M2 Max, 32GB Ram except with 38 graphics cores. However; if I were to go back in time, I'd save the money and go with the 30. The truth is, these are all very great systems from the M1 to the M3. The system you ordered will be extremely fast and I hope you have a great experience. @@digilifepro

[@jcar3]

I have a 15 inch 2018 i7 Intel processor. I use software like affinity Photo and affinity Designer as well as song Final Cut Pro. Considering upgrading for a while and watching a ton of videos like this one wondering which one makes the most sense for me. The more videos I watch, the more certain I am, of which one I should get until I watch the next video and think something different lol. Wondering if anybody has some advice they can share based on their own experience.

[@tyrealcut]

Same for me, to me the best deal would be a refurbished from Apple macbook pro 16 m2 pro or m2 max, with 32go ram and 1to, the new black color looks nice until you scratch it, silver seems the way to go, even if that space black looks sexy af

[@jcar3]

@@tyrealcut I have considered refurbished also. When you say the same for you, are you referring to that you have the same computer I have or that you use the same software? If you have the same computer, how is that experience going for you? Is it still holding up OK or is it having difficulty with some tasks?

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

I’m noticing on the base m3 max that it does eat through battery… All I’ve done is set things up so far, lots of downloading apps, installs, some light streaming etc… But I’m confident that once it’s setup it will sip battery for most everyday tasks and only get taxed when actually needing to use more system processes. What’s really interesting to see is the fast charging though - you get the faster charger with the base level kit and it takes about an hour to go from 18% to full… That raises all kinds of questions about the longevity of the system, but I’m hoping Apple is still considering users that are on 5 year upgrade cycles when it comes to parts quality.

[@benmelis4117]

The Max chip has 2 video encoders while the Pro chip only has one. That’s the reason for the almost double render speed.

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep, I think I mentioned that. Thanks for checking it out.

[@Soundboy817]

Well… I’m upgrading from an iMac 2012 😂 m3 mbp well overdue for me

[@JerrySchulze]

That will be awesome!

[@Michael-fr2xn]

Hello. At the same price would you buy a Macbook Pro 14 with an M2 Max 32Gb Ram ou an M3 pro CPU 18Gb Ram? Thanks 😊

[@JerrySchulze]

M2 max!

[@ivanshevy]

Just order M2 Max Mac Studio with more ram and ssd instead of m3

[@JerrySchulze]

That’s a sweet computer!

[@Kit2Canada]

How about RAM, the minimum considered should be 16MB?

[@JerrySchulze]

IMO, yes.

[@anmolsharma4049]

You already have m2 max, what's the need for m3 pro?

[@chronictown4330]

I am upgrading from a dead 2017 iMac; I suppose any M series MacBook Pro would be a revelation. The iMac was my only MacOS device and I need to replace it in short order. Only I took too much time hemming and hawing over an M2 Pro/Max vs a M2 Pro; and now I’m halfway through taking myself into the M3 Max. Whatever I get will require a loan so…why not the M3 Max? Omg. I’m incorrigible.

[@JerrySchulze]

If you are able to buy refurbished you can get more computer for less from Apple.

[@TheRealEstate]

Jerry I was having the same problem as well with My M3 Pro MBP 16inch 5:27. Timeline seems to stagger

[@JerrySchulze]

Interesting. Glad I’m not going crazy.

[@TheRealEstate]

@@JerrySchulze no you are not Jerry. I thought I was going crazy at first as well. Don’t get me wrong I love the machine, just trying to figure out how to get the most performance out of it for editing videos for this and other channels. Love your videos!

[@JerrySchulze]

Thanks! Try performance mode for the timeline if not already in it. I wouldnt waste time transcoding or making proxies.

[@MobileConcepts1]

Great video, just what I was looking for. I'm considering upgrading from the M1 Pro to the M3 Pro but stuck on the fence; I only use Lightroom & Photoshop, no video editing. Also wish the space black was actually true black, not a darker space grey!

[@JerrySchulze]

Right next to the space gray it’s quite darker.

[@LuisSaranda]

I want to switch from my intel Macbook pro to a M MAcbook. After watching a few videos i am really considering a 14 inch M2 max instead of an m3 pro. What would you recommand? Is it Worth it to geht the m3 pro or would the m2 max be the better solution?

[@JerrySchulze]

I am sill using the M2 Max so if you can get a good refurb deal, I highly recommend.

[@LuisSaranda]

@@JerrySchulze the price is about the same. So you think I should go for the M2 Max in that case?

[@msl9528]

I have a intel machine, torn between getting cheaper m2 max or the latest m3 max. I edit big video files for web, sometimes for broadcast. Which would u suggest?

[@JerrySchulze]

If it’s for work and you make money doing it get the latest and be happy for years. If you can get way more with a refurb M2 Max with say 8tb or 96gb ram that you can’t afford on the m3, get the m2.

[@msl9528]

@@JerrySchulze thanks. Jerry for the reply

[@DigitalMarkings]

Awesome stuff.. I am curious thou, did you get any feedback from Apple in regards to M3 Pro? My issue was video export with screen recording on, My base M1 MacBook Air proven to be faster with SR turned on, while the MacBook Pro was slowwwww and only in videoexport, while it was struggling although dead cold.

[@peteherrera1502]

It's not about not needing the power; it's about having a powerful machine that you will not outgrow. I for one keep my computers until I cannot update them anymore. So in my case the more powerful the better since I do not want to outgrow it. If I was you I would take the M3 back and keep using the M2 max. And if I was you I would also have the mac studio ultra.

[@ricardorgomez]

I've been thinking M3 Pro or M2 MAX myself and I keep coming back to the same core issue: memory bandwidth. Sure, the MAX has dual encoders and that's for sure going to help export performance in video. But the other issue is memory bandwidth. The MAX has double at 300 MB/s where the Pro is at 150MB/s. Now, both of these are great numbers. But if you're going to see any performance issues outside of exporting, it's probably going to be about data being shoved around in memory.... Quite certain.

[@PietroDimarno]

Hi guys, I need an advice. What is better for the same price? A new 16" MacBook Pro M3 Pro with 18 GB and 1 TB or a 16" MacBook Pro M2 Max with 32 GB and 1 TB refurbished by Apple?