The Madness of Mankind | Space Runaway Ideon

[@MinaMoon4664]

Being a mother I really resonated with the message of Ideon. I was the victim of so many dark things, and yet having kids of my own is my chance to contribute to a better future, foster my own contribution to a better generation and prevent them from making the mistakes I made and mistakes that the people around me have made in the past. The next generation always has that chance to make things right.

[@zephyrr108]

Being a mother... I am so injusticed... contribute ... future .. shut up

[@Jjgm69]

​@@zephyrr108Man, don't be like that, she's just expressing her opinion, why do you want to bother others so much ?

[@Jjgm69]

You made a good comment, also don't feel bad for the trolls, I hope things go well for you in life.

[@someguy912]

​@@zephyrr108 >wojak pfp Checks out

[@FuzeHunter]

Subbed entirely because you mentioned Ideon in 2024 and got a Turn A vid in the oven. Gonna be here for the long haul

[@WeHeartGiantRobots]

You've made me want to have a re-watch of Ideon with this. My first time going through 'Be Invoked' I found the ending to be surprisingly upbeat (probably because I'd watched Devilman Crybaby around the same time), but you raise some damn good points here. "Maybe things will be better next time (if we don't cock it up)" is hardly a cheerful note to close on, after all.

[@CheemsBased]

I thought the same at first. Rewatching things usually make me feel the same as I did before, but “Be Invoked” was so different. Never felt so much dread watching something ever lol. Really glad you enjoyed the vid

[@kigas24]

Amazing video. There's a surprising lack of videos on KZbin about Ideon, despite Tomino's popularity. Looking forward to the Turn-A-Gundam video.

[@wannabeanewtypewhenigrowup]

That was an incredible video Cheems, what the hell 😭

[@TKUltra971]

The ending is somewhat key notes from Char's Counter Attack. Its pretentious because it doesn't doesn't matter if you understood it or not or what they've learned: they are all dead. As the story implied, this isn't the first time a large scale war over the mcguffin occurred and they failed to learn what THAT generation had to teach with their own deaths. I kinda chuckled when first seeing it. Its like in Star Wars when a Jedi or Sith dies they suddenly gain massive wisdom and power that matters little because they are in the dirt. (Or space dust in this case).

[@theburningcoder5859]

He finally did it! I was looking forward to video and so happy you did such a great job on it. I also felt an immense amount of dread during and after “Be Invoked” and remember trying to go to bed afterwards but literally couldn’t because of how much it was stuck in my mind. I think the most terrifying part of the show is not so much the fact that everyone died at the end(I knew everyone would die before I started) but as the story progresses more and more, the more the tragedy became inevitable. It’s that inevitably that scares me so much because despite all the characters acting on their own free will and having the ability to change their actions, they all make decisions that lead to destruction. In this story, everyone, including the heroes, is responsible for the tragedy which I think is a vital lesson everyone needs to know. Instead of blaming our suffering and the worlds problems on the actions of bad people, let’s acknowledge how we are all responsible for the evil in this world and then maybe we can start to get somewhere Ideon is a very special work to me because it is the very first Tomino production I’ve ever saw and it’s had the biggest impression on me besides 0079. I never really was into Gundam before before and the only reason I watched it was because people were comparing it to Evangelion which I was obsessed with at the time. Ideon then lead me to 0079 and soon enough Tomino had become my favorite anime director, Miyazaki and Anno being close seconds. I’d be interested in hearing what you have to say Tomino’s other non Gundam titles from the 80s.

[@wannabeanewtypewhenigrowup]

We had the same experience, I couldn't sleep that night, it's such a powerful ending and nothing really compares to it. You can watch a million things and there's nothing that gets close to what it feels to consume this show for the first time!

[@CheemsBased]

I remembered you were looking forward to an Ideon video. I'm glad I lived up to your expectations! I'm really looking forward to talking about more of Tomino's other works

[@noble6v]

Cheems is back, baby! I’m glad there’s more people talking about Ideon.

[@Crowniecrown]

I really love Cosmo throughout Be Invoked, especially his final frustration at the end. I've always felt like Arthur Clarke would have written something like Ideon if he was asked to write the story of a 50 episode mecha anime. The story itself is definitely on par with his novels. I consider either Ideon or Turn A to be Tomino's magnum opus, with Zeta being a very very close 3rd.

[@kaijuwatchesYT]

Can't wait for the Turn A video!

[@JohnnyStar]

CHEEMS NEVER DISAPPOINTS!!!! Super good, I am not familiar with anime in the genre, getting exposure to it like this is nice⭐

[@CheemsBased]

I appreciate it man! Glad I can help people gain some more appreciation to the genre

[@randyryry6656]

Amazing video please keep up the work and produce more like this one

[@animeviewer3829]

The ending is one of the saddest endings I’ve seen, like I still cry from seeing it, especially when it shows the children’s spirits

[@ariesdemiurge]

This is the first analysis of this kind I've seen that just purely enjoyed the subject matter instead of going on tangents about how everything else is trash.

[@bluehunter9910]

Story of M.A.D with no punches being held back. There is the one part in ideon where the ideon teleports karla to her father, as if it was trying to show they can co-exist a last ditch effort to get both side to understand before fully giving up and ending it all

[@Kira22558]

Tragic..

[@JimThePerson]

I wish this video was longer

[@Shoutatclouds]

Watch it twice

[@crusan0145]

I wish a lot more people can discover this video and your channel❤

[@animeviewer3829]

The ending was one of the saddest endings I’ve ever seen

[@ravvavashumirai8272]

21:45 I'd relate this quote to Dunbine too. The situation in the series is basically that, but in a very short amount of time.

[@litmusic7398]

Absolute amazing vid i just watched ideon for the first time last year usually im not the biggest mec guy but this show changed my whole perspective especially after the movie i immediately went to go to try to buy a copy but sadly its completely out of print just trying to find a copy was near impossible cheapest one ive found was 500. I also want to thank you cheems for putting light on this masterpiece

[@vdate]

Wait, what? Didn't Maiden Japan do a Blu-Ray localization of the series in, like, 2018-2019ish? Is that already out of print?!

[@vdate]

Wait, nevermind; I lost my round against Reading Comprehension Man. (And I genuinely can't remember if the blu-ray set included the movies or not.)

[@CheemsBased]

I really do wish they’d reprint it. Though I hear the license for Ideon is in a weird spot…

[@AbhilashGregory1985]

The Godfather of Apocalyptic Media & Doomsday Sagas!....Tomino's Dark Epic still resonates even now!.... Cosmic Horror in its Glory!

[@elijahhaynes216]

1:24 I'm sorry, but can I gush about how hard the Ideon rising with that music goes?

[@JanusHoW]

If anything, the impression I get from a lot of Tomino's works is "old people with power suck", and I'm inclined to agree. I say this as a middle-aged person - people past middle age shouldn't be allowed to have political power. They can provide advice to younger decision-makers based on their experiences, but they shouldn't be the ones making the final decisions. They are all too often too deeply set in their ways to learn from their mistakes...and that's doubly so when their power shields them from consequences.

[@こーこ-e6r]

「イデオン」に注目してくれてありがとう。私は、少年期にTV放送を観て、コスモとカーシャのように世界の姿に悲しい気持ちでいました。40年以上が過ぎ、気づけばカララの父親の年齢を超えています。世界はより困難に思えます。そうした中で海外の人びとがイデオンについて、自分の考えを話してくれていることに希望を感じます。

[@CheemsBased]

「イデオン」が時が経つにつれてより重要になってきているというのは、とても恐ろしいことです。私の望みは、西洋の観客が「イデオン」について何か新しいものを見つけてくれることであり、日本のファンがこのビデオを見つけてくれたことを嬉しく思います。とても光栄です。

[@kameha64]

It’s sad space runaway ideon is so rare to collect as a anime collector.

[@aidanquinn2282]

Tomino, u say. Looks like i gotta pause and binge it first.

[@ddespair]

The reason why war will always be a thing is because human beings harbor an insatiable desire to belong. To belong means to be important, accepted and relevant. That last being our grappling with mortality against the infinite and unknown. It sounds like a harmless need, but it manifests in humans in the idea that it is impossible to belong if we all belong. Think of it like a sports team. No one walks around with a shirt that says “I love the NFL” they walk around a shirt that says “go New York giants.” See, if everyone played on the same sports team, there would be no “us” to unite against “them”. Therefore, the absence of an opponent in “them” means there can exist no team. People have nothing to rally around if there is no one to oppose them. And if they can’t do that, they won’t feel like a part of anything. They don’t belong. Add to that the fact that governments, especially conservative governments, want their populations to be ultra patriot nationalists. Conservatives believe the world is out to get them, and add that to a government movement of raising children on a pledge of allegiance before they’ve seen the world, and you’ve got generations of humans who are bred to believe they can only belong among their own kind. At the end of the day humanity will destroy itself because so many people don’t understand that everyone can win, and instead grow up with the idea that the only for me to win, the only way for me to belong and the only way that is right, is if you lose, you are the enemy and you are wrong.

[@YaboitheCadian]

You had such a wonderful point in the first half. then you ruined it with your own delusions and bias. as if proving the point ironically.

[@ddespair]

​@@YaboitheCadian It's not a bias. Liberals don't stack gun piles. Liberals don't lobby to punish people that are different. Liberals done make laws that police people's bodies. Liberals want peace and put people before money. If you think I'm delusional, give me ANY conservative regime in the modern era and I'll show you where they pass laws to persecute people different form them. If you think Conservatives aren't the problem, you're the one who is delusional. Liberals WANT to get along with everyone. Conservatives just want to hate those different form them. the proof is in the LGBTQ community, women, the poor or just a different religion.

[@freshdoug]

You're describing tribalism. Us vs them mentality. Mankind must have an enemy to fight.

[@peppermillers8361]

While I do love Cosmo, I don’t really classify him as the main character of Ideon. He isn’t super relevant through most of it and as a result it lets the rest of the crew shine. I still think this is the only Tomino show that truly captured the "everybody on the crew is the main character" aspect so well. You raise good points, but maybe I'm just stubborn with seeing things from a bright and hopeful side. The ending is just too beautiful in spite of how much of a meatgrinder everything proceeding it was. Perhaps the next Generation fails, but someone will succeed. Nobody ever wonders what happens to the Ideon after that generation succeeds. Would it wait around for the later generation to resume the fighting? Possible. Or maybe it rots away, and its influence will vanish, even if conflict will go on. I could be wrong, but I'm only human.

[@LordOfCope]

Nice video! ❤❤❤ (he has my family)

[@CheemsBased]

Thanks! (They’re not coming home)

[@NvdB-eg1nq]

From which movie is the part at 22:42?

[@CheemsBased]

It’s from Gundam: Cucuruz Doan’s Island. It’s an adaptation of the original episode from the first series!

[@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852]

I like how the giant robot is judging them on their actions while also brutally murdering loads of people. It's almost biblical.

[@patnewbie2177]

I rewatched the ending of Be Invoked recently and it felt so much harder to watch than when I first watched it last year. Mainly because metaphor tends to go over my head and I didn't understand at the time that it was an allegory for M.A.D. What a shame that there is no Messiah, no cosmic afterworld, no souls flying off to inhabit a new world with no animosity. And what a shame that it took everyone to die to finally understand each other.

[@Supremebro0000]

It feels like nihilistic ending.

[@kigas24]

Much like Ideon, I come back to watch this video

[@Monoaux]

wait wait wait- Bright Noa was only 19 during MSG?

[@StriderVM]

Yep. And Amuro was only 15.

[@animarok9032]

"peace exist, is jus humanity that doesnt wanted"

[@patnewbie2177]

Peace sells, but who's buyin'?

[@tallbuffoon]

Hello? I finally got my phone back. Cheems is a madman. We met up for our duel and he fucking shot me with some tranquilizer. I woke up in some cabin in the woods, missing a lung, and incredibly dehydrated. But now I'm out and coming for you. You better count your days.

[@CheemsBased]

Squabble

[@1001johny]

Maybe I missed you talking about it, but did you only watch the film version of this series?

[@CheemsBased]

Nope, watched all of it!

[@1001johny]

@@CheemsBased I still have this series on my backlog on HighDive. Really should get around to it.

[@nomorecheesedip5329]

putting the based in Cheemsbased with this video

[@juben17oo30]

Looks like Amuro

[@juben17oo30]

Or does Amuro look like him?

[@kevenmoreira6451]

Subscribed and yesssss❤️

[@ftlo586]

Where can i watch this anime?

[@CheemsBased]

I believe if you want to watch it legally, it's on HiDIVE. The Blu Rays have been out of print for years, so you'd have to spend over $300-400 to get a copy sadly. If it's no longer on HiDIVE, then I guess there's no legal way to check it out. Then you could just sail the seven seas and find it

[@taureanmitnaul6357]

zambot 3

[@taureanmitnaul6357]

i love king gainer and g reco

[@piccolo1906]

Voltron is a real hero

[@JazzyCurry]

Anno saw this and ultraman and decided hm let me fuse these together

[@kaijuwatchesYT]

TOP KINO

[@Kira22558]

It's in my opinion, a decent mecha anime.

[@jungcodex]

Very nice 🫡

[@mmartinisgreat]

Wut?

[@themadoneplays7842]

All our times have come Here but now they're gone Seasons don't fear the reaper Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain We can be like they are Come on, baby (don't fear the reaper) Baby, take my hand (don't fear the reaper) We'll be able to fly (don't fear the reaper) Baby, I'm your man La, la, la, la, la La, la, la, la, la Valentine is done Here but now they're gone Romeo and Juliet Are together in eternity (Romeo and Juliet) 40, 000 men and women everyday (like Romeo and Juliet) 40, 000 men and women everyday (redefine happiness) Another 40, 000 coming everyday (we can be like they are) Come on, baby (don't fear the reaper) Baby, take my hand (don't fear the reaper) We'll be able to fly (don't fear the reaper) Baby, I'm your man La, la, la, la, la La, la, la, la, la Love of two is one Here but now they're gone Came the last night of sadness And it was clear she couldn't go on Then the door was open and the wind appeared The candles blew and then disappeared The curtains flew and then he appeared Saying don't be afraid Come on, baby (and she had no fear) And she ran to him (then they started to fly) They looked backward and said goodbye (she had become like they are) She had taken his hand (she had become like they are) Come on, baby (don't fear the reaper) -- Tomino, probably

[@patnewbie2177]

All I can think of is the opening to the TV movie version of Stephen King's "The Stand"

[@giffica]

Ideon is so bad it’s pretty nuts. Dunbine blows it away, so does dougram and Votoms.

[@ZenithXevo]

Nobody wanted to hear you ramble on about how you think Tomino’s stories are about this woke idea about the young generation. His stories were always about how war is bad, simple enough for someone like you to understand given on your other analysis videos, but you just don’t. And this ending wasn’t even hopeless or full of despair like you made it out to be. Ideon is probably Tomino’s most hopeful ending out of all of them, even Turn A. Everyone dying and failing to connect is besides the point. They’re dead, but happy. It’s so easy to understand. It’s people like you that try and romanticize everything you watch that actually don’t understand anything. Since your next video is obviously a Turn A one, I don’t see how you’ll be able to prove that it’s a brighter one since you clearly misunderstood Ideon’s simple message. War is bad, that’s it. I encourage those who read this and disagree with me to watch the movie again, it’s not as deep as this guy makes it out to be.

[@CheemsBased]

I can understand if you didn't like the video, but I want to be clear that I don't think anyone's own interpretations of the ending is invalid to my own. I make it apparent in the video that I think because of what has happened in the story, that it was mankind's own folly that caused them to end up like that, even when taking into account of them all reuniting in the end. Again, it's just how I feel, and I'm not going to judge anyone who says a story like Ideon isn't as deep as I made it out to be, but there's a reason why this story along with other stories like Ideon have left a mark on so many people.

[@ZenithXevo]

@@CheemsBased It’s a super robot show why do you care so much 😂😂😂

[@CheemsBased]

Alr man, have a good day 👍

[@kaijuwatchesYT]

​@@CheemsBased But Cheems this is good, every video essay needs one of these "iz not dat deep bro" party poopers, it just checks in the list! Now all you need is the "It's all downhill from here" and the "go back to ur old content u sell out" guys and you'll be a full youtuber. I'd say this is a big W

[@noble6v]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ZenithXevoThat’s a very surface level analysis of Tomino works, regardless of genre. It doesn’t matter about genre, it’s about making interpretation and analysis on a piece of media that you’re invested in. “War is Hell” is one of many common themes in most of his works but it’s not the main theme for all of his works. For example, Turn A Gundam is about the importance of understanding, not repeating the same past mistakes, moving forward, accepting and learning from the past. The anime heavily criticizes jingoism, hatred, bigotry and the fetishization of war, being the main catalysts that started Dark History (all of UC, CC, and AU). Don’t misuse the word “woke” to discredit someone’s interpretation, it comes as childish and rude.