The Makers Garage - Welcome Shapeoko 4

[@david24442]

Winston's garage videos sold me on my Shapeoko 3 years ago. Awesome to be introduced to the Shapeoko 4 by none other than Winston himself! Winston rocks!

[@carbide3d]

Same here. - Kevin

[@ManCrafting]

Awesome upgrades from the Shapeoko 3. Thanks for the overview of the upgrades.

[@731Woodworks]

Very nice! Love the improvements.

[@andrewkamin-lyndgaard594]

I started with a Shapeoko machine years ago and have since outgrown this platform but it was a superior "gateway" machine into the worlds of CAD, CAM and CNC machining. Happy to see the Shapeoko team continues to innovate and I wish everyone at Shapeoko continued success.

[@cwflemmer]

Hey Winston, please do some more projects like you did in the past on your own channel, don't really care which channel you do it on. Really enjoyd that type of content, learning while doing projects. Best way to learn desktop cnc. Thanks

[@joeking433]

This guy convinced me. I'm ordering one.

[@daniellemaney9217]

Where can you buy the metal table that this unit is sitting on?!

[@carbide3d]

Hi Danielle. It's on a pair of these: www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UltraGraphite-Workbench-Organizer/dp/B074WL437T/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=seville+bench&qid=1620393318&sr=8-5 Personally, I really like the build quality of these tables. The drawer is on a nice pair of glides. I also have one in my office. - Kevin

[@johncarr123]

Can you do a detail video on using bitsetter and bitzero together and detailed workflow?

[@goodwinml]

Will these new v-wheels work on a S3 as an upgrade?

[@deanmoriarty3565]

Hi Winston, quick question - is there any way to get the new bed as an upgrade for Shapeoko 3? You are correct in that workholding has been a huge problem, and after several attempts to double-tape things which ended up with wood flying off like shrapnel, I stopped (really, never could start) using my 3 a few years ago. This workholding solution looks like a game changer, and I’d love to get it if you guys are selling it separately.

[@carbide3d]

Hi Dean. Kevin here. The Shapeoko 4 is not backwards compatible with the SO3 platform. The work holding is a game changer and will provide you a wide variety of options.

[@jothammcmillan8854]

Dean, this kit could get you partway there and you can also buy the other clamps they are advertising separately. shop.carbide3d.com/collections/workholding/products/t-track-table?variant=5175720706078 . If you want to get really fancy .... saundersmachineworks.com/collections/smw-fixture-plates/brand:Carbide3D

[@deanmoriarty3565]

@@jothammcmillan8854 Thank you! This does seem like what I am looking for.

[@carbide3d]

Dean, I used that kit on my SO3 for years. Thanks Jotham for giving your thoughts. - Kevin

[@brunofonseca9686]

Wouldn't linear bearings with linear rails work better than wheels and belts?

[@daveyJ213]

Wow! I've been wood working for a while and am thinking of acquiring a CNC machine. Great information; thank you. Question: once you have clamped your work into place, how does that machine where your piece is on the table? In other words, if you clamp a piece of wood near the right side of the table, how does the machine know to start there instead of on the left end of the table? Thanks for sharing.

[@carbide3d]

One function of the machine controller is to allow you to set the program zero point so the machine knows where to start. This can be done with a probe, like our BitZero, or by jogging the gutter to the zero point and pressing a button.

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you.@@carbide3d

[@battles151]

I've been waiting for about 2 months to buy my shapeoko xxl pro, but it has been out of stock the entire time. There is no option for preorder to be sure you keep your position in line or anything. I was simply told to wait and hopefully catch it when it's restocked. I really wish I was able to secure my order because I've been waiting for quite a long while..

[@homezero]

I'd like to see a side by side comparison with the "4" v.s. Pro XXL. What are the differences? Which is better?

[@carbide3d]

That is on it's way shortly

[@homezero]

@@carbide3d Cool, I am looking forward to seeing that. I'm still looking on getting the Pro XXL but want to know the differences.

[@nickparkin8527]

I just got mine today. Unfortunately the V-wheels, even with the eccentric nut in the 6 o’clock position, won’t slide on to the rails properly. The frame isn’t tightened so I can easily adjust it but if I push the right side with some firm pressure it slides in but it deflects the V-wheel mounting plate and pushes it outwards. Any thoughts on the situation?? What is the tolerance of flatness that my table has to be? I think my table isn’t perfectly flat and may be throwing the machine off.

[@carbide3d]

Nick, if you reach out to support here at Carbide HQ, they would be more than happy to help you get started. [phone] (*2 for Support)

[@StevenDavisPhoto]

A much better improvement over the 3. I've moved up to a CNC4Newbies machine though. I was not happy with the issues I've had with me 3 and wanted something bigger. Great job guys.

[@brentncindy9023]

If I got the VFD spindle….could I do without the Z Plus?

[@carbide3d]

The Z-Plus is standard equipment on Shapeoko 4

[@dradawg07]

do the new vwheels work on the shapeoko 3?

[@danielsmullen3223]

Awesome looking new machine! It it possible to use replacement parts from the new SO4 to upgrade the SO3? I'm specifically interested in the V wheels and possibly also the belts/sprockets.

[@carbide3d]

Hey Daniel. The upgrade from a 3 to a 4 is not possible. The improvements on the 4 are many and definitely worth a look to replace your 3.

[@emanuelnagel7019]

Is there a way to improve the so3 with the 15mm gt2 belts?

[@gerrykavanagh]

I would think so... the follower wheels and drive gear could just be swapped out, I imagine. I guess someone from C3D might chime in with the facts though.

[@TheJacklwilliams]

Guys these are some incredible products. I'm thrilled to see the level of energy and innovation and the complete packages you roll out. I haven't put together a cnc unit yet but it's on my bucket list for the coming year. The only thing I question is, my tendency would be to go for the desktop product, the nomad. However, and I'm struck, it's more expensive than the other three products on your list, with a much bigger build/work area etc...? I'm leaning towards building my own for my first one. However, once again, this presentation, and your site/products make me question that logic. The nomad has a footprint that fits what I need the first time out but why would I go there when the 4 is a thousand bucks less? Anyway, not being negative, you have all put together some amazing products. Kudos.

[@carbide3d]

Jack, It comes down to a few different considerations, including but not limited to: Space Available / Planned Projects / Your particular business or hobby interests / Need for precision on a minute scale and whatever other thoughts you need to consider. I too looked at the Nomad first, decided that the Shapeoko was for me and purchased an XXL. But I had the space to allocate to the machine. I've never regretted that choice. Shapeoko 4 offers 3 sizes of machines. Each size will be available shortly. Right now the XXL is coming into stock each week. Perhaps the Standard Shapeoko 4 would be a good fit for your space. You can still make small stuff on these big machines. In terms of Building a Machine you should consider the following question: Do I want to build a CNC or build things with a CNC? Our machines come ready for duty. You'll be up and running in an extremely short period of time. From the physical machine to the software suite needed to get started, NOMAD and Shapeoko have you set to start cutting out of the box. Building your own machine can be rewarding. It will take a significant amount of time to order parts, create the interfaces needed, find software and get everything to function in concert. Some people consider that time well spent for the sense of accomplishment. Other people consider time as money or don't wish to go through all the steps needed. Either of our machines are a well thought out and refined product. Things to think about no matter what you decide, I hope you join the CNC community soon. - Kevin

[@watercushion]

"You close the show Winston. I'm outta here!" ... Winston awkwardly looks into the camera and then slowly moves out of the frame.

[@JohnColgan.]

Lovely looking machines, price is s stickler for UK, Delivery. Customs Duty & Taxes likely prohibitive

[@gpraceworks4778]

So isn't this the Shapeoko Pro? Or is the 4 different?

[@carbide3d]

There are notable differences between Pro and 4. Bitsetter is standard on the Pro as well as Linear Rails on the X and Y axis. The 4 is 80-90% of the Pro. Linear Rails require more upkeep than V-Wheels. There are size and financial considerations for you to think about as well. Both are terrific machines. There's good into here: carbide3d.com/shapeoko/

[@JeromeDemers]

Kevin is like a infomercial pro!

[@pedrodheming2044]

Very. Good machine I just bought the shapeoko xxl. I was very excited about this. But. I need support on how run this machine. Is been 3 months. And your support team need to be improved. Spend more time with people like me. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

[@phillipfuentes1119]

Get on the Carbide forum, there’s so much help there, and fast too.

[@pedrodheming2044]

@@phillipfuentes1119 thank you I’ll do that.

[@HandBuilt]

I need either one of these. 🤤

[@brentncindy9023]

Can a laser engraver be added on??

[@carbide3d]

Yes, there is a company offering a laser attachment. JTech

[@craigmyer1313]

Kevin sounds exactly like Joe Buck, how do I get cool shirts like those ones your wearing.

[@danholzer4626]

you're still using belts though

[@OnePotMeals]

That’s the one…. Winston’s t-shirt is very cool.

[@AllanScheSar]

12:12 A live sound would be good to get a better feeling about the machine. But yes your video will be not more so cinematic as it is. #TeamWinston

[@5SeasonsPressureCleaning]

So this is different from the pro?

[@TheSchmiedster]

Yes. If look closely, the linear rails, bitsetter, and power button are either missing or in a different spot.

[@AllanScheSar]

Ohhhh maaaaan do we have xmas? Again a video with Winston and this is the third video this week :)

[@adrianquan]

#teamWinston

[@TurnRacing]

Pretty disappointed not to see linear rails to be honest as myself and others have successfully modded our SO3 for them and they are without a doubt better than the v wheels.

[@carbide3d]

That's why the Shapeoko Pro exists. Happy to hear your SO3 has been a success for your business.

[@grumpywoodchucker]

#teamwinston

[@udotolearn7792]

Put servo motors on them and I will get the Pro XXL. Steppers are not so good on precision and reliability.

[@AndrewAHayes]

How can an American dis the English on weights and measures when the vast majority of Americans are still using feet and inches and cords of wood? We stopped using stones and hundredweights back in the sixties

[@carbide3d]

Andrew, I love the quirkiness of British language and society. Stones are awesome in their history and randomness. Metric is definitely better (#TeamKevin). - Kevin

[@JohnColgan.]

2 nations separated by a common language ... Alu min-ium ...!!

[@TheTsunamijuan]

This is nice, but honestly at this point you guys are doing a lot of improvements. But you guys really need to offer a version without belts. I feel like you guys are doing enough volume at this point that you could still make an affordable machine and version, with lead screws. Even if it was an option it would be nice to have that offering. I know that schools and other workshops benefit from the safety afford by skipping steps. From pushing the machine to far and having the belt slip, as a safety. But I can't be the only one that would prefer the greater rigidity from a more solid option.

[@onlyychevys]

I agree, I got a rack & pinion setup and will never go back to belts! No chatter and very accurate.

[@ClintonCaraway-CNC]

I guess it's because Carbide 3D is based in the LA area that they find it necessary to hire this guy. He's like a wannabe game show host that can't find work so he's doing this for a quart of 20/20.

[@carbide3d]

I'll put you down for Team Winston. - Kevin