The Making of Martyrmade | with Darryl Cooper

[@joer9156]

A central theme of a lot of Darryl's work seems to be "there but for the grace of God go I."

[@ssevkin]

Yes

[@PBKAYL]

Something about Darryl's voice and the topics covered (lack of community, looking for it and the struggles of being a 20 something guy in this world) in this one made me very emotional. Thank you Benjamin.

[@JB-wh3we]

Lol the tone. Yeah, its like a thoughtful, empathetic Fascist apologist. "I like my revisionist history done by someone in touch w/ their emotions & who appears to care like Cooper."

[@consciously73]

Martyr Made is one of the most compelling podcasts I've ever heard. Deserves way more attention. Bravo Darryl 💪

[@ssevkin]

I agree

[@fieldcrow]

@@consciously73 He is a Churchill denier though ha ha. He is wrong. plenty of factual faults available in Andrew Roberts bio - but jaw dropping examples of physical courage during his youth when he was trying to build up a reputation to go in politics. church supported himself as a writer and wrote hundreds of books he use researchers blah blah blah, but he was a polymath of sorts surely. Probably Matthew didn’t have to do the math because they had people they could do it better.

[@truthhurts3479]

Omg i love Darryl he is spot on

[@melissaadams3706]

Witnessing the reaction to his appearance on Tucker's podcast was bizarre I've watched him with Jocko and listened to his own podcast and the person being described as a Holocaust denier was not the person I was familiar with. Thanks for having him on. You do a good job.

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

Just the fact people were claiming that showed they never even listened to the "offending" part of Tucker's interview. It let me see a lot of people weren't worth listening to, which was a plus so it wasn't all bad.

[@vaportrails7943]

@@_BirdOfGoodOmenI don’t let people sway me with rhetoric one way or the other. I listen objectively and form my own conclusions. I listened to that interview with an open mind. What he said, boiled down, is that the Nazis were martyrs, the Holocaust was just an unplanned act of necessity, and the Allies should have allowed the Germans to conquer continental Europe. He also compared modern Israel to Jonestown. The only logical conclusion from those statements is that he’s a Nazi sympathizer and antisemite. But my conclusion at this point is that he is a troubled individual with a disordered mind, reading things he doesn’t fully understand out of context, and he’s not 100% coherent. He’s clearly got issues, and without God, for some people that means they just want to see the world burn.

[@sullainvictus]

It's really an eye opening experience because so many people are so sure of something that is so wrong. Really makes you wonder how much garbage like that is stuffed into our heads without us knowing it.

[@januarysson5633]

If you listen to his reply podcast to the attacks on him it’s clear he’s not a Holocaust denier as people like Michael Schermer have portrayed him.

[@vaportrails7943]

@@januarysson5633 He doesn’t deny it happened, but he says it wasn’t that big of a deal. Nothing unusual. Happens all the time in war.

[@tb8865]

Darryl's account of leaving the military and going into the civilian world is spot on. Those first few years after getting out are rough.

[@Aristocratic_Utensil]

Ballsy. Much respect.

[@Jaco059]

Fancy seeing you here brother

[@Aristocratic_Utensil]

@@Jaco059 Benjamin is good people.

[@botidobra6221]

There is no political solution.People are godless hedonists.That's the biggest problem.Demographic Change,War,Marxist Trans(humanism) everything is downstream from that...

[@DustBornKnight]

Great discussion, have him back soon

[@stevenmathews7621]

great discussion, yeah, whatever how do you not address that amazng (i'm guessing) squirrel in the intro 😖

[@patrickbrown1805]

Watch out Ben, James Lindsay is gonna be upset

[@mojorn8837]

That was a given

[@oumod_]

Hall Monitors stay mad.

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

Lindsay is upset as default mode right now. It’s hard for him to see through another lens than communism. Would love to see them podcast again before the election.

[@wtice4632]

Sad what that guys become

[@johnnycomelately9400]

Oh, it must be.... any day of the week?

[@hansnoeldner1861]

You have a profound gift of listening that brings out the story your guests have to share. Thanks!

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Thanks and God bless ya, Hans

[@FooMantis]

The comments section is wild as always. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to him, and in good faith. More than I can say for some. I'm just so exhausted with people's reductive "reasoning" and projecting things and ideas that were never claimed or spoken. I appreciate you, Benjamin.

[@johnbrown4568]

Benjamin is finally closing in on 100K. Spread the word friends 👍

[@mariepicard8385]

Loved the part about the generational divide. Made me think that maybe we need to talk about the trend of having kids later as widening that divide. Having a child at 20 is very different than having a child at 40 for many reasons, and we know what they are. However, we never consider the extra age gap in understanding.

[@58frascatti]

What an amazing platform you’ve built since those Evergreen days! I’ve come to think of both you and Darryl Cooper as friends through your respective works, and it was gratifying to hear both of you expressing that same dynamic between you and your respective audiences. Whoda thunk that something could bond people without the traditional glue of family and community? Thanks to both of you❣️🇨🇦

[@JohnAhrendt]

Funny that Darryl and Jordan Peterson both had attempted cancellations but were able to survive because they already had huge libraries online that proved they were reasonable people and not extreme at all.

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

Pre-liking because I know this is going to be worth every minute.

[@williamlp]

Great conversation, and memorable podcast. Thanks! More interesting than litigating "woke right" and drama on X or current events in the Middle East.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

You’re right. Thanks for the encouragement to refocus my attn elsewhere

[@aaronburr2816]

Fantastic interview. Big Benjamin is a big guy and a real man

[@joer9156]

This is one of your best Calmversations.

[@beanbrew]

Wonderful conversation. Thank you

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Cheers!

[@Banana04218]

This was so powerful. I appreciated every word.

[@jaybeaton9301]

“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” K Vonnegut

[@timthompsonmusic]

I enjoy this conversation. But speaking for myself as someone who reacted negatively to Daryl’s comments on Tucker: I am not disturbed by his efforts to understand, sympathize with or even love historical enemies (even Hitler). The issue is his specific statements comparing all the actors involved (including Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, etc.) and concluding that Churchill is the biggest villain of the Second World War. It’s fine to beat around everyone’s bush with all of this calmness, but I would love to hear someone just come right down to it and challenge his blatant misapprehension of this specific episode of history. He’s wrong. That’s what people reacted negatively to (at least one of us).

[@BenjaminABoyce]

The most honorable thing to do, these days, is to have the gall to speak for yourself.

[@anthonygallegos3269]

@Tim Thompson but he isn't wrong. Most publishing houses beginning in the 1920s were ask l all owned by 2 or 3 individuals. Same thing for the media. Everything you have read has been altered. You've been lied to. Look into the OSS, they censored information before the cia did.

[@joemccarthy4270]

Industrial world took men from the home , then women , then it mandated child indoctrination so the home is empty and the family is empty; and now the small towns are becoming empty and the fields are becoming empty the husbandman is being chased from the fields. Any guess what happens when the government bans food ? They are trying to break the bonds of tribal even. They want world wide la reduccion (no country dwellers) to maximize concentration ;what are they concentrating and why ?

[@Parsons4Geist]

Much respect Benjamin I did not see this one coming

[@matthewparlato5626]

Whadup Parsons 👊

[@Parsons4Geist]

@@matthewparlato5626 😊 nice I didn't know you get down with Daryl Cooper I love his History podcast

[@matthewparlato5626]

​@@Parsons4GeistI've yet to listen...he came on my radar when certain folks spazzed over his Tucker interview But I'm in now, I'm about to embark on Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem asap

[@dra2033]

@@matthewparlato5626highly recommend.

[@beanbrew]

@@matthewparlato5626 ironically, the crazy reactions to the interview got him many more subscribers. I had already heard his Fear & Loathing series after hearing Dave Smith recommend it.

[@norahjaneeast5450]

Cats squirrels and chickens living in harmony how's that possible?

[@steventrotter4958]

Indoctrination at a young age, enforced by a shovel

[@Solupschizo]

They are all well fed. Let any of them get hungry, and nature will reassert itself. An apt metaphor for our current situation, perhaps?

[@alongsleep]

Just saw a tweet from Mrs Boyce that a cat killed a squirrel.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

I think it was a neighbor squirrel. But regardless, nature restocked us with more.

[@oumod_]

Looking forward to this ✌️

[@sknochan]

Looking dapper there Ben!

[@Ariannaishun]

Eons away from the dark blue robe and funny hats era.

[@jademat31]

So happy you've got Darryl on 😊 this should be great!

[@Indie0]

Boyce in a Blazer. Nice.

[@requited2568]

The only part I disagreed with Darryl on was that we all had to live together.

[@StruggleoftheOutsider]

Well... that's a broad statement that can be parsed in numerous ways. On some level, from some distance, we all share existence on this plane for a time.

[@5dollarshake263]

I'd love to hear Cooper have a discussion with Nicholas Fuentes because when I listen to Cooper describe the anger of young men it makes me instantly think of Fuentes. Fuentes isn't right about everything and people love to label him with terrible labels but if people watched him in long form for a couple of hours they would realize his critique of where America is headed is valid and relatively accurate.

[@donzaloog324]

Konstantin punching air right now

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Zoggonometry

[@ScottishAtheist]

Why? Because he's not a fan of revisionist history? He prefers discussion based on facts? How outrageous of him.

[@StruggleoftheOutsider]

​@@ScottishAtheist He doesn't argue in good faith. He is unwilling or unable to question fundamental assumptions inherent in his spiel, or confront logical problems with his assumptions. He is not honest.

[@numberwang1256]

Yeah, in a victorious gesture. If you like Cooper, you'll love Ta-Nehisi Coates. They are about at the same level.

[@wtice4632]

​@@numberwang1256i cant tell if youre being disingenuous or not

[@sknochan]

The internet has allowed us to evolve how we form bonds that are much more meaningful across the world. We did this with physical human interactions, telegrams, phone calls, and snail mail prior and still to this day

[@grannyannie2948]

Exactly. I remember pen friends

[@ceruleanswim]

What an illuminating calm-versation. Interesting to learn more about Mr. Cooper’s background. I’ve only just started his Israel / Palestine series. It only takes about 30 seconds into the series to realize that he’s not “anti-Semitic. Seems like an interesting and compassionate thinker.

[@francestaylor9156]

Honestly, I don’t get why everyone went after Darryl when Jordan Peterson says similar things in his lectures. He asks how humans could become the guards and do heinous things. How is that any different than what Darryl asks us to question? I really don’t understand the controversy whatsoever. And if anything it proves Darryl’s point about how much our modern mythology is based on these events. Edit: The only difference that I can see is the “conservatives” are reacting now because of the events of 2020 vs when Peterson had these lectures which was prior to 2020.

[@barbaracovey]

Hope you read Kingcrocoduck’s comment. You might get an inkling what may be wrong with Darryl Copper’s presentation of history.

[@tb8865]

Because JBP makes the appropriate gestures before the sacred icons of our society before speaking. There are things you have to do and say, groups you have to placate, in order to be a member of society in good standing, and Cooper doesn't do that.

[@wtice4632]

The events of 2020? No, the events of oct7 2023

[@dra2033]

@@tb8865 precisely.

[@geek593]

Because JBP has pledged undying loyalty to the smallhats.

[@ericflynn6541]

Konstantin and James Lindsay will be crying eachother to sleep to the soft sounds of this conversation tonight 😂❤

[@francestaylor9156]

The platform put me on the naughty list for saying that the mustache man was a human being. Factual but controversial for some reason. 🤷‍♀️

[@ScottishAtheist]

What a martyr.

[@wtice4632]

​@@ScottishAtheistdo you people realize that your hysterics dont win people over?

[@amyb.6368]

The line between good and evil runs through every human's heart. Some people would like to forget this so they can keep pretending all they do is good.

[@slash_em]

That's hilarious. I got spanked a few years ago for commenting on a news story about the level of CCP funding for WHO. Turns out WHO had not approved this message.

[@yagsipcc287]

Thats pretty funny I wonder if you said he was actually an Alien possed by The Devil would that be ok?

[@maladr0it]

he has been misquoted and pilloried to such a bizarre degree. thank you for inviting him on.

[@Thomas...191]

Haha. Don't you mean he misquoted Churchill... lol. "The greatest historian of our times" at least Dan carlin refers to himself as a podcaster. Ridiculous.

[@rijntje73]

When you hear someone talk about his life, loving your enemy and forgiveness in an earnest way as Darryl does here, you should easily be able to know that he's not the enemy.

[@emilyann4549]

Hmm, I must have missed something. Why are people mad at Darryl Cooper? I've listened to him for years and never thought of him as controversial.

[@Lovemy1911a1]

He said Churchill was evil and the worst leader during WW2.

[@NotAnEvilPersian]

You are good at this! Respect!

[@finestcitycycling621]

Been waiting for this one!

[@bobjenkins3rd]

People finally realizing ideas are dangerous in the comments, but can’t ask themselves what if my existing ideas are dangerous. Repentance ain’t easy folks.

[@danjaasma2305]

Good work, Ben. I like how you slipped in some rando conversation along the way to contextualize Darryl.

[@chackachacka6990]

His Jones town masaca series was so great. I learnt so much. I was born into a cult and found it hard to understand how people get sucked into things that turn so ugly and hurt alot of people and his Jones town one seriously gave so much important insights into the accurance of the crazy group think. So great.

[@combatgremlin2188]

Thank you

[@jbs4091960]

I needed to hear this. Thank you.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

🙏

[@filled_soda]

Fantastic guest. Love his content.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

I think I can help you with the Israel question. Perceptive, imo you've already got it. I guess you want the more blunt version, for clarification. Not like I know for sure, but my sense is - the whole underlying thing - people don't really care. (You're right). It's too foreign, too far away. We're entering an era of isolationism. People have their own problems, with domestic issues. (Not anti-J, at least not for good faith interlocutors, just a whole other world which people feel they can't key into. Or prioritize). Any fair-minded person, to the extent they recognize their own reactions, tends to feel pretty bad about this. And needs a historical reminder of why the world is the way it is. Why Western involvement matters. What defines the West in the first place (and who's included). Because, underneath that adaptive story, (with important geopolitical ramifications,) is a growing malaise. People are just about done buying into a grand Western narrative. Which is a problem especially in that, it's the most direct vehicle, to appropriately galvanize public opinion. (We don't want an eradicated Israel. We don't want Russia to swallow the Eastern Bloc. Trust me). If I were gonna troll you Benjamin, I'd say you're feeding this beast. The thing is, I always watch and am way into this channel, so I know that's not true. You're asking, you're learning, when you don't get something, you say that, then learn about it through dialogue, along with your audience. So, you're accurately tracking/documenting populist sentiments, with your ear to the ground. This is valuable. (And honest). That's why these dialogues give a window into the near future, of culture, of society. And what you're getting is: People don't give a fuuuuuk anymore bro. And are trying to convince themselves to still care, about basic, important things.

[@quinntissiere3869]

Darryl is the man! Thanks Benjamin.

[@JB-wh3we]

Truth: the fascist label does get thrown around all too often & incorrectly in modernity. Also True: Cooper is engaging revisionist history that weirdly rehabs Hitler's image. There's a big difference in discussing that Hitler wasnt born evil & pointing out Hitler's positive traits that appealed to the German ppl (things often left out of standard history) to "Actually Churchill was the chief villain of WWII". Lol like what?? No. Its still Hitler dude. I know you're thoughtful, sensitive & all. But no, you're glaringly wrong here.

[@raskolnikov6443]

Any honest person investigating WW2 will rehabilitate Hitlers image to an extent since Hitler is a religious figure in the west and peoples believes about him are almost of a theological nature.

[@ClayB05]

Read about Weimar Germany

[@JB-wh3we]

@@ClayB05 Google Minutia

[@mr8ty8]

Those are some beautiful chickens. I'm a chicken tender as well

[@IzabelParis]

This conversation is very moving. Thank you both very much.

[@Stopcolonizinglebanon]

Niall Ferguson does not approve. I may end up holding that against him. There's a restful cadence to this conversation that feels so solid and authentic. It's the poetry confident men weave when talking their true minds. Homeric even.

[@caseyc4516]

I love coppers work so I’m biased but we would be a much better world if more people tried humanizing all parties and having empathy for both sides..he’s really a brilliant deep thinker..his series on cannibalism was completely different than what I expected along with Jonestown

[@sukablat5938]

In a way I think Darryl gets away with it because he avoids serious discussion on race, like it just doesn't exist; if ever it's mentioned, he has a few anodyne statements about it then he pivots to some modern sounding platitude about loving everyone then he moves on. Truly a bleeding heart right winger, a somewhat unique phenomena, and not necessarily a bad thing. This man has truly maximised his empathy and understanding to an absurd degree. It would be truly disastrous if most people thought like this, but his separate path provides interesting insights, he is similar to BAP in that way.

[@JB-wh3we]

He's got the Chomsky everyman no pretense affect down pat. And he's definitely about the feels/wears empathy on his sleeve. But i highly doubt the sincerity. He dodged the Hitler/Churchill controversy by strawmanning a "should we kill Baby Hitler?" anecdote. His entire premise rests on a lack of discernment bc he's just repeatedly marrying true to a lie. Here's an example. Truth: Hitler was not born evil. Hitler had a pathology that corrupted him. Hitler did have an appeal, skill, & advocated for positive things for the German ppl. These facts have often been overlooked/omitted in mainstream history/school history. THE LIE: Churchill was the chief villain of WWII. Lol. No, even though those other things are true...Hitler is still the chief villain of WWII....

[@rijntje73]

Speaking of martyrdom Ben, can you do another interview with Exulansic about her new 'The Dead Names' series? In it, she is starting to document young adults who have died due to gender medication and surgery. It would help to get these stories out, have their excruciating demises not be in vain and maybe help Ex to get tipped other stories to add to the series, so people can realise the level of brutality, pain and insanity that these transitions lead to if one decides to go all out with that.

[@ssevkin]

He felt invincibly powerful physically because he had not fully understood that his power is intellectual.

[@combatgremlin2188]

Boyce of reason . I love you, who does?

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Interesting, "what's friendship based on?" I like seeking agreement, it allows me to paste over things, and shape a kind of pastiche, to satisfy my own palette. "Doing stuff together," sounds like conscientiousness to me, responsibility, routine, doing things even when you don't want to, having this natural ability. Friendship can be a fine art, friendship can be a fulfilling job. Although I think maybe, its truest epitome is what Ben vibes on: It's the disagreements that allow people to grow, and if you actively seek these out, that's a certain kind of person. (A friendly person).

[@NineInchTyrone]

This guy is so far above the typical pundits on TV like Joy Reid and Madcow

[@TheCruxy]

Cooper sounds close to a Hoppean

[@NickLester-l6x]

Agreed

[@caseyjudson1062]

Thanks!

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Welcome!

[@lukass-q5z]

Now bring back Kisin. I bet that would be a tense calmversaton? I want the full reality lowdown, and see you 2 dig deep!

[@stefanmironov6405]

Love the chickens. Great episode.

[@PaleoCon2008]

Within the first few minutes you talked about how the US is different from Poland when it comes to immigration. This is largely due to the fact that the Poles and Soviets pretty well resolved the diverse ethnicity issues in Eastern Europe after WW2. There are virtually no non-Poles in Poland now because every non-Pole was forced out of the new Polish boundaries and there is virtually no influx of immigrants into Poland since 1945.

[@2ceBorn]

“No that’s her job (i’m kidding)” 🤣

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Love history stuff. Thanks, Mr. Benjamin and Darryl 👍 . 🏆-----> 🦂

[@nosouponhead]

It's fake history.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@nosouponhead ... I will expect to see you in the chat room backing up that claim. Not simply _making_ that claim, but telling us why what he is saying is "fake", false, lies, made up or otherwise not what happened. . ..... Deal?

[@helenablavatsky9136]

I dunno, kitty. I don't think I deserve a trophy this time.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@helenablavatsky9136 ... But if you DON'T take the trophy, how is The Kitty gonna guilt you into letting me take it back? 🤔

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@NinjaKittyBonks 🤯 Who's the trickster now?

[@francestaylor9156]

So I’ll give an example that I noticed on Dave Smith’s channel. Megan McCain complained about how the New Hampshire Libertarian Party celebrates her father’s death every year. Of course as his daughter this would upset her. Yet people seem to excuse this behavior because of their views on John McCain. John McCain can simultaneously be a horrible politician yet a good father to Megan. Yet people are not willing to consider this at all. In their minds, there can be nothing positive about John McCain whatsoever. This view of reality in terms of good guys vs bad guys is ridiculously childish. People make both good and bad choices throughout their entire lives. If you are actually an honest person, you can say that you think the bad outweighs the good but clearly with how much Megan loves her father, he must have done something positive to earn her love and respect. Everyone getting upset about “tearing down” heroes is just being reactionary with postmodernism instead of asking whether maybe we should consider that history is written by the victors. There is nothing wrong with questioning narratives. No one here is trying to tear down statues. We’re just asking questions.

[@Jaco059]

The problem with McCain is people celebrate his death because he actively hurt the country who cares if you were a good father if you helped destroy your country king John may have loved his son doesn’t mean his death wasn’t deserved and he was a bad person

[@kadams4458]

Humanizing McCain is a bold move that will surely rustle a ton of jimmies, but I agree that all of us are human, so it should be universally applied. It's far too easy to get carried away and become "the bad guy" without realizing when we ignore that some people, or groups of people, are human. Also, I agree that narratives should be questioned. Again, it's too easy to be duped in to doing evil when narratives are blindly accepted. Questioning something is not equal to rejecting something.

[@yagsipcc287]

Thank you Darryl is a great guy and seeing the amount of lies about him by many so called "historal" channels on KZbin. I have seen people talk short clips and say he said "Only Churchhill was the bad guy" No he said he wasnt a good guy like we like to think he was a terrible person his whole life and career. But hey if you talk about documents from during the war and after as well as books several decades after by people who also used documents from the time as well as from people involved and then saying Darryl is "trying to rewrite history" him like normal people saying all mass death is bad is now also somehow bad. These people are insane and the comment sections on these people videos are even more unhinged as they didnt even watch anything he has done or talked about and going off what others have said out of context and lied about what he said as their basis. I have seen people talking about how nuking people was the only way (no it wasnt they were willing to give up but bombed Japan twice to show off the weapons) Anyway thanks again for this Darrly is a good man who isnt some nutter listening to what he actually says it is clear to see.

[@gertbeefrobe]

Great conversation.

[@odonnelldenise]

Sounds like Darryl experienced the Landmark Forum

[@StruggleoftheOutsider]

Great Ep.

[@NineInchTyrone]

Many governments STILL have classified documents pertaining to WW2 WHY

[@user-pr7pd9wd5b]

yo lemme buy it early

[@honestjohn6418]

This geezer is golden. When my "woke centrist" people went after him, I thought Tucker had David Irving on. A legitimate historian who, like Irving, had combed over the German death camp documentation in the original German, and come to the conclusion that they didn't have the fuel and the ovens weren't big enough. He's just a self-taught man from the wrong side of the tracks, with an inquisitive mind who refuses to stick rigidly to the post WW2 paradigm. What a fantastic, wise, compassionate and intelligent guest. What he said about having black nationalist and white nationalist friends chimes with me. Those of us white people who grew up in the diverse utopia the elites are foisting upon us, are actually less racist and more tolerant than most of the elite who think black people are children who need help and poor white people pond scum to be removed. I have a friend who was a BNP member and General for the Chelsea Headhunters. The now defunct BNP being a racist party with fascist roots, which only allows whites to join. And the Headhunters one of England's most dangerous football firms. With very close ties to Loyalist paramilitaries in Northern Ireland and Combat 18, the paramilitary wing of the BNP. They're notorious for violence, are allied with Mad Dog Johnny Adair and have an SS death head insignia as their gang sign. A charming gentleman I was introduced to as "Nightmare", in the 90s is currently in prison for murdering a policeman who tried to infiltrate the Headhunters; by slicing the policeman's neck. England has a real dearth of real, ultra violent far right Nazi types, but of the few that exist, I know them. Thing is my boy who was a general for the Headhunters? Best man at his wedding? London Ghanaian. 50% of the guests? Afro Caribbean Londoners. So, even being an upper echelon white nationalist criminal does not mean that you hate black people. I don't agree with all the Jewish conspiracy theories but other than that, his ideology would've been centrist 60 years ago and still is, outside of the West. He just believes that England should remain majority English and that as the indigenous people of the island, we shouldn't be treated like lowlives while minorities are worshipped and our elites should represent the English ethnicity first and quit fawning over minorities and treating us as an inconvenience or like the turd in the woke punchbowl. He is probably guilty of all kinds of heinous crime but hating black people, or having outrageous and murderous racial politics? Not guilty. So when establishment lefties, people who openly hate white people and gleefully look forward to a time when black and Asian British are the absolute majority and the white English are insignificant. When those people tell me I shouldn't be friends with a white nationalist, because he is racist. Feck those people, I'll take the Headhunters all day long

[@combatgremlin2188]

I understand what he means

[@christianbaxter_yt]

1:18:03 great to add a positive vision to the conversation

[@NineInchTyrone]

Love your enemy ? Nah

[@romansidorov9067]

24:33 when he talks about China and governing such huge population, he doesn't care about an individual as a human being. He admires a possible systematic structure that allow to, ostensibly good, govern such mass of people. All socialists, hegelias,, marxists, woke are keen into this type of reasoning. He also mentions many times how identity should be a part of a community. To be fair, i'm not against of that as long as i can voluntary get into and opt out of it. He use dialectical method to compare an enforced bureaucratic community made up by distant state to an organic local community of family and rural areas. That said, he still points up how individual can only attain an agency, selfhood through a community. Real freedom of an individual exists only through a collective... I guess, James Lindsay is right about this guy.

[@bobjenkins3rd]

I don’t have time to respond to all your points. As to China, he clearly states he has major disagreements. The question is does this then mean we should go to war with them solely for that reason to force them to use our form of government? Where is that line that necessitates this? As to comments on freedom and community, I’d suggest reading on Christianity and what these terms meant historically in that context. A quick example: freedom from Satan or free to serve God where libertarians view it as freedom from government and progressives mean freedom from responsibility or morality.

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

No man is an island

[@KingCrocoduck]

I leave this interview feeling as conflicted about Cooper as ever. This will be a long comment, so please bear with me. On the one hand, I remain as impressed as always by the quality of his sociological musings, particularly where they cover the displacement of traditional structures by state institutions in the wake of modernity. His personal background, drifting from institution to institution, and the lasting mark his experiences have left on his attitudes towards friendship, chance, and responsibility, provide a logical context for how he formulates his understanding of events. On the other hand, his promiscuity with historiographies of questionable repute remain as troubling to me as always. To be clear, I can sympathize with the desire to break through established narratives that rest, at least partially, on caricatures of "the bad guys" of history. There is value in seeking depth through the exploration of the social circumstances and inner lives of "the bad guys," and I don't begrudge him for undertaking a search for our common humanity. The problem is that, like so many others who flirt with postmodernism, Cooper struggles to accept that not all narratives are made equal. Some are unambiguously better than others for reasons that stand independently of power relations that seek to uphold the status quo. Cooper is free to produce avant garde works of historical narrative to his heart's content, but facts still matter, and the editorial decisions he makes to curate a particular narrative have consequences for the robustness of his beliefs in the face of *all* the relevant facts--including ones that he chooses to omit and, in certain cases, distort. This is why I'm apprehensive about his forthcoming series on WW2. I'll give it a listen, but I'm afraid that it will contain an undue degree of influence from discredited historiographies like those of David Irving. Again, there's value in understanding the German perspective and how it ended up in the state that it did, but that understanding will inevitably be compromised by efforts at humanizing figures who behaved in ways that are unrecognizable as human. Creatures like Reinhard Heidrich and Paul Blobel immediately come to mind. At some point, you're not humanizing so much as you are sanitizing, and no amount of acknowledging the wrongness of that regime's conduct will change this if certain tried-and-true tactics from the likes of Irving are applied. Omitting mention of the worst atrocities and the sequence of events--including those that compromise the ENTIRETY of the regime, and not just a few bad apples and loose cannons--would be an immediate red flag. Downplaying the actions of the regime while exaggerating the actions of the Allies to try and paint a moral equivalence would be another. There are valuable lessons to be learned from Germany's circumstances and conduct over the lead-up, course, and aftermath of WW2. We should all understand how innocent babies turned into Goring, Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, and Hitler, and how German society came to fall under their spell. And crucially, we should understand how the deep and profound flaws of these men, unique and well-differentiated between each, contributed to their individual and collective downfalls. Goring the Glutton, who compensated for his family's fall from wealth and status by plundering Europe's treasures and enriching himself through theft and slave labor, disconnected from the realities of the war as he pranced about in ostentatious dress while Berlin burned all around him. Himmler the Self-Hating Weirdo, whose sickly and awkward stature led him to create his own bizarre religion that exalted the perfect Aryan physique he longed to possess, projected his self-hatred onto the Jews whose extermination he headed, and which worshipped Hitler like a God, only for him to ultimately betray his own Lord and finally become forsaken. Goebbels the Undignified, perhaps the most cucked creature to have ever lived, who publicly extolled the dictator that he pretended not to know was sleeping with his own wife; projecting his own lack of dignity onto the Jews instead of gaining insight and accepting responsibility. Had he simply recognized reality for what it was, instead of egging on Germany to its doom, he would not have met his end in the most undignified manner possible after killing his own unfaithful wife and children, none of whom he loved more than Hitler, at whose alter he sacrificed his last scrap of dignity. Bormann the Machiavellian, a lowly crook whose scheming led his colleagues and superiors to jealously squabble and distrust each other, whose sycophantic and manipulative character exacerbated the worst of the Reich's excesses, and who, despite his efforts to inherit a position of power far above his meager station by causing everyone else to war with each other, died in obscurity like a rat in the streets of Berlin and was only discovered decades later, much to the world's indifference. And then finally we have Hitler the Delusional Narcissist, a deeply unwell and hypocritical megalomaniac whose short-sightedness and stubbornness in the face of reality would have been bad enough, if not for his utter inability to ever accept responsibility for his own failures, which he instead outsourced to everyone else--right up until the very end. A man with an ego so large, and insight so small, that after blaming the German people for failing to realize his wild fantasies due to the shortcomings of plans that he himself had ordered, demanded that everybody else die with him because the world itself was unworthy of him. There are valuable lessons to learn from all of this. But I am not convinced that Cooper is someone who's willing to teach them.

[@user-pr7pd9wd5b]

"discredited historiographies like those of David Irving" Irving has published over 10,000 pages of history. Hollywood moguls paid millions of dollars to fund a legal team to scrape over his entire catalogue to find mistakes, and they found about 13 minor mistakes. If the average historian was as scrutinised, They would find even more mistakes. Even the judge in that case said Irvings knowledge of world war 2 is unparalleled. He was considered THE authority on world war 2 until he upset a certain tribe.

[@oumod_]

I don’t mean this in derogatory way, you are Jewish. It’s natural that you would find any reevaluation of the meaning of WWII upsetting or reprehensible. An outsider recommendation would be to simply recognize this natural internal bias. It’s likely that the first people capable of a truly detached reevaluation of the topic will be born 200 years from now.

[@Jaco059]

@@oumod_I mean Jewish most Americans have lost the ww2 myth because of horrible public education

[@oumod_]

@@Jaco059true, many Zoomers have lost any since of collective narrative because they have no understanding of the broader historical context in which they live and they are now disproportionately from families who immigrated after WWII and are not of European heritage, so the old collective myths don’t really connect with them on a visceral level.

[@KingCrocoduck]

​​​@@oumod_ What I find reprehensible is the omission and distortion of facts in service of a cynically motivated narrative--be it of Cooper's own design, or uncritically lifted from creatures like Irving.

[@champagnesupernova5745]

Such an interesting young man, thank you for making this conversation possible.

[@Iwontusethisevenonce]

Now we see why there can't be a rapprochement with people like Kisin or Lindsay. Daryl can think traditionally and theologically; those others either can't or won't. Of course, since they start with the petulant posture of, "Nuh uh, there is no God, he's stupid and a meanie...."

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

I removed a comment which is rare for me. (Because I might get back together with someone mentioned). Not disparagingly, just maybe excessive for once. (Even for my open-book, anon-turned-non-anon account). I don't like to remove things. Doubt if I will in future. Reputation is like a crutch. What else did I say, "women get captured by universities during important life-years, intelligent women probably won't find men they're looking for at colleges anymore," and my description of men at bad colleges (where I sort of stayed too long) was "dumb sheep," when recently venting? I think I got very meta-trolled for this. By a channel I thought was anon, then saw is not. All the various Libertarians are in cahoots anyway. Hah. I can't really be shamed much. I imagine, only I can 'do the shaming'. Like with this guest. (He probably shouldn't care. Probably).

[@combatgremlin2188]

I am sorry the Boyce of reason, I should not be here

[@devin_3875]

Excellent work, Benjamin.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Thanks for watching!

[@babyfacenilsson6380]

"Our fictive kinship" well no it is wholly real only slightly distant kinship, in distinct contrast to the perverse globalizing lies of Christianity.

[@NineInchTyrone]

Robert Moses destroyed NY A sacrifice to the automobile

[@combatgremlin2188]

I am sorry, what does KZbin think I am, I am not a ten year old. Obviously got invonved with an discussiun I was nos supposed to be in

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

22:40 *fewer and fewer

[@lordmarculus4747]

Thank you Benjamin!!! I don't find this "woke right" labelling at all helpful. I watched the Tucker interview and didn't see what the big deal was. I might have to start digging into Darryl's podcasts.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

All that I've listened too, so far, is top notch storytelling.

[@kevinhooper4553]

YEAH

[@folechno]

I will have to strongly disagree with Darryl’s assertion that a libertarian style of government can only function with solely self-sufficient people. Such people would work well under any system of government, sure, but they are not uniquely tailored for the libertarian one. The main distinction is that some of the functions that are mandated and controlled by a government would be more efficiently run by local private organizations and that participation would be optional. I think the key thing that is necessary for a libertarian government to function (and it is necessary for all the other forms too) is that laws are consistently enforced. Once property rights are respected, voluntary mutual interactions will occur and create new cultures and organizations.

[@bobjenkins3rd]

Your assertion then is this style of government is the superior form for all peoples, places, and times, correct?

[@folechno]

@@bobjenkins3rd Yes, a government structure that respects the property rights of people is always and everywhere superior to one where the whims of people in charge dictate how others behave. Economically this has been shown across the globe and time. Such a government does not dictate what the "culture" would be, and so there will be many facets of life that the government does not control, that citizens can choose, and unfortunately some people will make poor choices. This type of government does not promise that everyone will be happy everywhere, rather that the pursuit of that happiness will be in the individuals agency.

[@bobjenkins3rd]

⁠@@folechno​​⁠​⁠on what premises would such a government sustain itself? How is good defined? Where does that definition come from and persist across generations? This might be too deep a conversation for KZbin comments, but my assertion is that there are arguably fine ideas and observations within libertarianism but that it has intrinsic philosophies under the surface that virtually guarantee its demise. It’s basically a set of incomplete political premises with no permanent values structure baked in. Humans don’t operate this way and if they have the means to do something more, they will. As the running joke goes, go overthrow the government in Haiti and replace it with libertarianism and see what happens. Now if you believe you can incept entire populations to hold beliefs and morals compatible with libertarianism, well good luck…

[@joer9156]

If there are laws how can it be libertarian? Doesn't that inhibit liberty? Law is government force, is it not?

[@bobjenkins3rd]

@@folechnoI replied but it’s censored. Please sort comments by newest to see it.

[@SeekerAppleSwordSerpent]

Thanks for sharing.

[@combatgremlin2188]

Why would you want to say that

[@mariepicard8385]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpfWe6uhpMeDjs0si=yMdYwmvge7g0KZmO To his point about throwing around the fascist label.

[@trishb9804]

Thanks Benjamin. You keep bringing lots of value ❤

[@Atjayvang21]

Thats sams voice lol

[@jonathanseagraves8140]

I would gay marry Boyce... He looks like a good husband.

[@theradicalcenter]

He's a very good husband.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

@theradicalcenter well la-di-da.

[@theradicalcenter]

❤

[@EyDolf]

It’s painfully obvious we should be living in ethno states. Great pod.