The Making of Norman Finkelstein - Reality Asserts Itself (7/8)

[@ujean56]

Once upon a time, I found Norman Finkelstein to be very difficult to listen to although endlessly interesting. Now he represents to me exactly the kind of fearless, laser-focused analysis academia and the world needs. We need more Finkelstein and more like him. Everyone owes him a debt of gratitude for his hard work and his fearlessness.

[@ritchybinoo9150]

Can't believe this clip is 8 years old. More relevant today than ever! Prof. Finkelstein has made more sacrifices for what he knows & believes in than any acadmic of our times❣️

[@NG-gb1ov]

I invite you to listen to Mr. Scott Ritter also.... Former US Marine Corps Officer, and UN Weapons Inspector.

[@hattiejaz52]

I remember you Mr Jay when I lived in Toronto early 90s. So grateful for your work & to have Professor Norman Finkelstein as your guest. Very informative.

[@albysaifiti8018]

I listen to this guy every chance I get, his knowledge and details of explaining leaves no questions about his straight forwardness knowledge and honesty... I could listen to him everyday...❤❤❤🤗🤗🙏🙏...

[@himda3481]

Watching this in 2023,the man is a gem

[@5taafondo]

2024

[@helenakolar]

This is what happens to honest people: labelled and left to struggle. Thank you, Professor.

[@islaharifin]

Dr. Norman.... you are very good, brave and very intellectual inteligent person.... You have my full respect....

[@eyesopen66]

one of the greatest, most authentic men I'm aware of! his integrity is beyond compare!

[@TheSECRETeam]

His sacrificial nature to pay it forward

[@jamesnadell1998]

That's a great way of being marginalized and excluded in a society that meets the criteria for anti-social personality disorder. Dude applied to teach as a volunteer at a charter school and was turned away. This is a very good index of the victory of classical and operant conditioning over the American population. The idea that Dershowitz is a celebrated figure in America and Norman Finkelstein is obscure and isolated tells you where we are living. This guy must be bitter AF, but nonetheless he channels his energies into his work. If he's a Jew, then I want to rejoin the Tribe.

[@JayTor2112]

bot

[@GutoSantana]

​@@JayTor2112stop zionist supremacist supporter. The facade is over.

[@aaronwu4280]

It would be a great honor to be able to meet Prof Finkelstein in person one day

[@anthonykennedy5324]

Norman Finkelstein is like Galileo. He knows the price of "free speech". But he will, eventually, be viewed in a totally different way. Because of the quality of his research.I wish I had his guts.Why does the unconventional wisdom have to prove itself to a higher standard than the accepted wisdom ?

[@aloha1005]

What a highly intellectual interview and straight forward journalism. This is an old interview but still very actual with what happens in Gaza. When Finkelstein talked about his very difficult years at DePaul and the dirty trics he had to endured from (amongst others, Dershowitz bullying and reputation dammage), i felt so much compassion for Finkelstein. Ultimately he got up on his feet and became a very respected and sought scholar due to his very accurate, factual knowledge and analytical approach. This man will be rememberer kindly in history.

[@DD-fe2xw]

May you stay strong . People will love you for your honesty and integrity

[@robertcovarrubias1109]

Dr. Norman Finkelstein is a courageous person. He has the ultimate motivation to seek the real truth. He is not perfect person, but close too, and seeks the real truth. That is a person with great moral value, we have very few of those kind of people in this country, or planet for that matter. Do the real research, if you are an intelligent person. You will find out this a great person.

[@SuperErikRoss]

Yup no ones perfect but Norman is close its called inellectual honesty a rare commodity these days for sure

[@GenerationZGenZ]

Dr Norman, you are one of the bravest man I know. You are just amazing and I admire your courage. May God bless you.

[@nash984954]

NOBODY shopuld have to pay a price for telling the truth. Prof Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky are both paying a price for the truth. That is respect for their audience for both is doing that, they do not to sugarcoat their message.

[@BrotherWoody1]

Academic politics is a ruthless & vicious blood sport. Because of his immense intelligence, due diligence & integrity, there's no way that his academic colleagues could possibly compete with him or his conclusions. I'm not Jewish but I've long appreciated his work on the Israeli-Palestinian problem. Thanks to Norman & TRNN for doing this series. I find Norman as compelling as Sheldon Wolin.

[@Timeisright]

I have been a fan of professor Norman Finkelstein for a long time but never knew his struggles for being anti Zionist and after this interview my respect for him raised many folds 👍

[@antiegonz6007]

Norman is a man of principle & risked his career for speaking the truth🫶🏼

[@ericbrufatto5371]

I admire Norman Finklestein.

[@pitchlife3226]

All the respect to you. I love people who advocate equality and justice and stand by their believes,

[@YouTuber-vc6td]

Finkelstein should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize!

[@leon19736]

You Tuber Yes the guy who supported communist regime China in 70s and came to live in China in 70s when the biggest genocide in human history took place and more then 100 million people died from communist regime deserve Nobel Prize

[@furiousmat]

@@leon19736 Let's just stay stuck in the 70's and ignore the next 40 years of work and militancy he produced and the fact that he disavowed Maoism decades ago and publicly aknowledged he had been a fool to support it at the time. Not saying he should really be a nobel peace price but resorting to that sort of attack is just cheap shot. People can evolve and change their mind. You can't just keep faulting someone forever for having been wrong 4 decades ago. Pretty sure if we dug in your past and pulled out every stupid opinions you've held in the past some of them wouldn't look that great and there would be many ways to discredit you, and the same would apply for most people.

[@leon19736]

furiousmat I would compare him as to someone who supported Hitler and came to Germany to be in non combat position in Nazi army in the Middle of the world war. After the war he would reconsider his support for NAtzi ideology and condem Hitler. After 40 years he would teach moral to people worldwide and feeel himself morally superior to others and preach his moral values to others after his support of Hitler 40 years ago and condem Tramp, Clinton, Putin for their actions and policies

[@leon19736]

furiousmat You don't understand that he lost any rights to preach something to anyone

[@furiousmat]

@@leon19736 Who decided he lost any right at all? You? Who cares what you think. Just because you wish someone else's rights away doesn't mean it actually happens. Besides, he never supported Maoist atrocities. He, like many communism enthusiasts at the time, thought these were fabricated allegations of US propaganda. That's why he says he was fooled: once he realized there was truth to it he realized he had been fooled. I don't quite remember when in history it was decreed that falling for propaganda and being deceived made one forever unqualified to discuss morality. Perhaps you can point me to the great works of philosophy that established that principle?

[@carovski]

"And I'll tell you another thing, and I'm not afraid to say it. I think I'm better than a lot of them. I know more. I work hard. They're going to wine-and-cheese conferences, and the wine-and-cheese parties, ridiculous conferences. You're always plotting conspiracies about this and that, 'cause that's academic life, it's so petty. You know? What did I do? I mean, my time wasn't squandered on that. I just sat home and worked. I worked very hard. You know. And I'm not going to pretend to otherwise. I worked very hard." I love Norm

[@keithlucas1173]

Great sincere Human

[@l.w.paradis2108]

TRUTH. He works hard. Often deeply resented. But "Holocaust denier???" His parents' families all perished in the Holocaust. The charge could not be more perverse and obscene.

[@th-wp7zc]

Greatest teacher ever.

[@osvaldoramirezcastillo]

watching this in 2024 and I love it. Dr. Finkelstein is honest about himself and speaks the truth.

[@FarhatKCh]

Prof. Finkelstien’s moral courage is awe inspiring.

[@payank505]

Bravo, brother spirit of Diogenes.

[@Guitharafy]

Praise to Prof. Norman

[@mohammedmir777]

Yes you are better than lot of them. Lot of respect for this man.

[@petertonnard2045]

' GREAT,GREAT, MAN ' NORMAN ' KEEP THE GREAT,GREAT,WORK UP.

[@SuperImbiss]

This man has more integrity in his pinkie then all those grovelling hypocritical academics. Justice for Palestine ❤

[@jamesnadell1998]

Did NorMAN Finkelstein actually reference Hooterville? Now that's a scholar. And one thing. Norman you are not self pitying. You are acknowledging your hurt. Go easy on yourself. You ought to be upset that lesser lights are rewarded and you are shunned. But you know you are doing what honors the martyred souls of Holocaust sufferers. They see you and bless you.

[@DennisCambly]

A brilliant man who knows the Palestinian and Jewish problem.

[@remzijasavic4123]

Finkelstein should be awardet eith Nobel Peace price

[@BeijingYank]

Norman deserves the Nobel.

[@Sundrumify]

Posting in parts: 1/4 First of all, Norman - a very genuine person - has my highest gratitude and respect for his work on telling the truth given his bio and what he faced; thank YOU so much Paul for the interview-series and in general for YOURS and the work of YOUR entire team. Saw the documentary "Die Wahrheit über den Holocaust" a couple of days ago in German TV ZDF-info.

[@kahutochishisumi9056]

What a man! He stands shoulder to shoulder with Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela, a true gentleman in the mold of Henry David Thoreau.

[@ciara5867]

Brilliant interview. ♥️🇮🇪🕊🇵🇸🍀

[@msfy-q4w]

May Allah SWT/ rewards Dr Norman Finkelstein for his sacrifice and hard work ameen sumameen

[@Rick-S-70]

Keep writing Norm your words will live on

[@prwexler]

Strong, disquieting discussion on many issues.

[@PIANOSEEDS]

My blood is boiling because nothing has changed. How can these people sleep at night who deny a brilliant man his livelihood. It's infuriating.

[@wnklee6878]

Might makes right.

[@robertalexanderho5268]

Ethnic cleansing and Imperialism as is so evident.

[@Sundrumify]

4. If possible Paul, please raise questions to Norman in the context of my comments. My father, rightly so, was an anti-nazi and trees are planted for him in Israel for standing up in dark times. My father did not swear an oath on Hitler and was badly punished, nevertheless survived physically. Others did swear the oath for whatever reasons (so do they around the world as followers of whatever regimes) and had been instruments of the Hitler regime, while most of the psychopath-octopus escaped (please check latest on CIA and Nazis) or got goods jobs after WW2 in high positions in Germany. In this context i raise the question, what rights do soldiers have to stand up in the military in the world, and whistleblowers in general. Not to forget what happened to Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and many others for standing up. We do not need any more martyrs. The universal human rights of the UN are applicable to me. The UN has failed so far to apply those as international law. Best for the week ahead, Lisa

[@matldn2697]

His family has a history of supporting the oppressed. Mr Finkelstein learned a lot from his mother who was a great humanist.

[@petyai1348]

His mother loved Soviet Union. I wonder why she lived in the US.

[@marcbaxter5996]

Absolute tragedy how this man was slandered and misrepresented. Shame on academics and colleagues of him

[@matldn2697]

Same thing took place against Prof Miller at Bristol university in the UK.

[@schubi128]

It's true, the palestinian arabs always lost land after the arabs attacked Israel. One could call it reparation compensation that every Nation that attacks others has to endure if the attacker looses.

[@Guitharafy]

Thanks!

[@therealnews]

Thank you so much for your support!!

[@nopasaran191]

I’m making this comment because I saw there were 88 comments on here and I didn’t want the optics for this poor guy (who’s awesome) to be any worse

[@SuperErikRoss]

Ah he works hard Arbeit Mach Frie!!!!! Thank you Norman your hard work will set US ALL FREE I thank you for your dedication commitment and most of all YOUR HONESTY

[@rwaleed99]

I love Dr. Norman!!!!!!!!!

[@jsavak99]

He should have pushed through in Court for however long it would take. The alternative of not litigating is that they get away with doing it again

[@dickwhelehan8757]

Easy for you to say

[@kharyrobertson3579]

Interesting, the way he frames academia makes it seem like it is a state privilege, rather than an aspiration of ones study.

[@chezceleste]

A beautiful soul and a true martyr to a righteous cause.

[@lamaddussa]

that was pretty odd. i don't understand why he had so much trouble answering the question. the only explanation i can come up with is because historically zionism has meant different things to different people. to some, it simply meant returning the the historical homelands. to others it meant creating a jewish state... if it's not about that, it's a little hard to imagine who he may be concerned about alienating at this point... maybe to some extent finkelstein believes in the concept of a jewish state for the safety of jewish people, but simply not one engaging in ethnic abuse and atrocities. in any case, he doesn't seem to want to express his personal views on the matter. that's his right, but based on these interviews he certainly seem into personal disclosure, so it's a bit incomprehensible, and it would be interesting for him to clarify his views.

[@nash984954]

You are better. Prof Finkelstein, you should not have to apologise for hard work and speaking the truth. Oddly, Monarchies, historically, when the King was told bad news, true or not he killed the messenger for the bad news, so, Prof Finkelstein, you can take some consolation from that, but still. We who admire you, also admire the fact you choose to speak, the truth, whether we agree or not. Personally, it's clear you have decided to forego the usual ego ruled scholarship(Dershowitz) of some and take the hard road of the messenger who speaks only the truth bad news or not. Take a note from Cosmos, Episode III Harmony of the Worlds, when Sagan presented Johannes Kepler(Dec 27,1571-Nov 15,1630) though sickly as a child, and whose Dad a soldier who deserted his family. Kepler was a German astronomer whose work was as the last astrologer, and on the solar system. As the story goes, he(Kepler) serious minded as he was was also jealous of Tyco Brahe's data, but was forced to wait until Brahe decided to give it to him. Tyco was all about parties and feasting, carousing, Kepler on the other hand was a dead serious scholar who felt he had a divine calling that nobody else was called to do, which meant he was less the sinner in his mind, and god had chosen him to figure out how the planetary scheme fit. Brahe was a Nobleman, who died from indulgences leaving Kepler to have to decipher Brahe's data. The mystery of a retrograd Mars flummoxed him. Ptolemy's model had something to do with it, 1500 years of a wrong model, and Copernican model took hold, as the church condemned it putting it away at once, since god made earth the center,. not the Sun. Check it out, Norman is Kepler, and Brahe is the peers of people standing around with their cheesecake shooting the breeze while Norman was serious minded wanting to do scholarly conversation, so, Norman had no friends...uh I mean Kepler.

[@sallyflanders1608]

I’ve always wondered how can Americans and westerns believe in both theory and practice in separate of church and date while simultaneously blindly allying with Israel no matter their legal and military polices and acts?

[@DavidStanleymusic]

impeccable guest

[@Use_fediverse-7814]

He says, he said, he supported Hezbollah? 7:50 He had to hurt his case.

[@subliminalart.1637]

Nice to see you back girl.❤🙏

[@robertroy1558]

Norman, You have never rubbed me the wrong

[@skhan027]

Damn let Normy talk…

[@mikeomalley8570]

Interview could have been yesterday

[@ruhap9311]

This is like the abortion issue, the simple answer just wont work and somebody is getting messed over. Let Israel be a people, just like the Kurds, the Palestinians and everyone else.

[@Sundrumify]

2. It is not clear to me, who produced it. Many English-speaking historians and a few holocaust survivors spoke out while a German speaking voice was leading through. Missing was: mindset of psychopath Hitler and his team; anti-semitism over centuries and the role of the catholic church, anti-semitism in Europe respectively; the silence of the catholic church during the Holocaust; explanation what Judaism and Zionism stands for; Britain, Theodor Herzl and the Jewish State (Tony Blair an Peace Ambassador in the Middle East?); history of Palestine.

[@SKRILL]

Did he just say he's in love with a girl in Harvard?

[@robertalexanderho5268]

If the questions surrounding the holo cost is not true why can one review and debate it? What is there to hide?

[@sunny_zeddy_cy]

that's any life in any bureaucracy really, whether its the back-office of the local hardware store, or regional headquarters of general motors, or a large staff of university academics

[@remzijasavic4123]

O man you are brave i am sorry for your life what they doing to you god is with you ,how much is Izraely influence in USA thst id sade

[@ianmiles2505]

The principle Norman applies to Tibet must apply to Europe.

[@flyingfishnet]

Listening with special attention to to Finkelstein saying Tibet should have the right to limit Chinese immigration in order to protect the ‘character’ of self i thought………….. does this man understand the world? Practically every western country has / is being swamped with immigrants with no regard for any original culture.

[@TyronePatOne]

Cut from the same cloth as Noam Chomsky

[@kirillsh8383]

lookking what israel is doing right now, he was 120% right about israel and judish

[@8iorekx]

It's painful to hear Finkelstein attempt to rationalize why he can't get a job at an educational institution, out of the thousands available. Or why he couldn't successfully litigate his denial of tenure. This sure doesn't pass the smell test.

[@andrewhigdon8346]

First of all, let me declare that I FULLY SUPPORT formal, documented, internationally recognized “rights” of both sides, although Israel was GRANTED these rights to establish a NEW homeland in the geographic,a place historically associated with the ancient homeland of Semites, and let’s call the Semites, pre-Jews, just for the sake of it, as in reality that is the roughly the case, but not a hard and fast rule. It should be intuitively obvious that not all ancient Semites became Jews. Because we must remember that not all Semites were Jews, and not all Jews, then, around then, or whenever, were Semites. The words used to define a PEOPLE are often confused, conflated, or mistakenly identified by themselves or others as one and the same as their religion. Palestinian, Israeli, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Arabic, all overlap greatly, with only one of those describing ONLY citizens of a nation, even if many Palestinians historically and currently assume the identity of Palestinian “nationals” regardless of any international recognition of any such state. At some level, people don’t care how the outside world defines them, and they will live as they collectively see fit. Key word, COLLECTIVELY. These points are crucial, because before we can discuss ANY subject, we all need to define exactly what it is we are speaking about before misunderstanding, ambiguity, euphemism, or tangential subjects take hold of a narrative. Of course, most definitions will have some leeway in their implementation while we remind ourselves not to get caught up in irrelevant errands for the proverbial fool. A religious people lived in the region known by so many names it’s not funny, and how one person defines a geographical location compared to another his quite telling. But whether it is Palestine, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Sinai, far Western Saudi Arabia, or southern Syria, the label applied will vary, and the boundaries will vary immensely. But the truth is that ever since the times before proper Judaism existed, obviously predating both Christianity and Islam, an ETHNIC GROUP has flourished in this region for millennia. I think it’s safe to call the early name of the same people Semites, and soon enough we’re described as Philistines, and later Palestinian, even if some claim that the term Palestinian is a modern one, which is in fact mistaken. But now that we have defined a people who have lived in a land for eons, and another group who identify by the religion FIRST, and who also historically identified the same geography as ancient homeland, even if the population over the same eons was diminutive at best. Throughout the rest of the world over the course of world history, rarely is a land whose ancient inhabitants were partly identified as a certain ethnic or religious group, later awarded back to their claimed descendants a thousand years or more since they had any notable presence in said land, especially in cases where the occupying peoples are indeed also at least as indigenous to the land as the awardees. Possession, as they say, is 9/10 of the law. And let’s just ask the question, would mid-early-20th century inhabitants of the region have seriously resisted any future prospective of Jews being allowed into their land en masse? I don’t think it would have been an issue, as the fact is that Jews were never prevented from inhabiting the region ever, at least formally, and resistance was rarely enough to to drive 100% of Jews out of any land, from Morocco to Iran, at the very least. So it’s not like someone took the land and locked them out. There was admittedly plenty of unrest and attempts by various factions to run Jews out of where r they lived, but few if any ethnicities or religious people have ever been immune to such. The land of Israel has NOT been called such in that name or any precursor to that name continuously for the last 1000 years, at the very least. Did the Jews owed the land of Israel? With that question must be asked globally, does any ancient ethnic group of a geographical region somehow have a version of “ownership” of a claimed land? Maybe if they were forced out by genocidal ethnic cleansing. And while Jews have certainly been somewhat oppressed over the millennia, they have never been overtly forced out of the lands in question here. Does the Untied States “owe” certain lands back to the descendants of Native Americans? Quite frankly, given the circumstances, it IS OWED, because it was stolen. But should Native American groups be simply handed said land? Good question. Maybe, if they can manage it properly such that it’s existence doesn’t erode the RELATIVE harmony of the United States today, regardless of the truth behind the matter. What are we Americans gonna do, move back to the British Isles? Nope. Anyway, the truth is that Jews lived there before Britain handed a clearly defined land to Jews who wished to return to their forefather’s land. There was nothing preventing large umbers of Jews from moving there regardless of any British asshole’s Declaration. Looking at you, Balfour! So let’s just go with the new claim, and let the new and somewhat improved land of Israel become inhabited by Jews. Everything would have been fine, in the bigger picture, if the State of Israel, in other words, the elected high officials calling the shots recognized as the government of Israel, had not become thirsty for territory, because that is exactly what happened. The lines were drawn, live with it. But no. That’s not what happened, and I for one, am sick of hearing all of the biased, Zionist, echo chamber arguments for why Israel removed Arabs from and settled on the ruins of Palestinian land and declared that new settlement as belonging to Israel. Sound fair? It’s not. And why does such a powerful group of people still support Israel’s current position? It’s because they believe in one of the most outlandish fairy tales to ever offend the ears of any sane, logical, fact based person. Bottom line is that while some Palestinians and their backing groups have done real damage in the region, but the numbers reveal that it has been a heavily tilted battle ground the entire time, and the planet needs to show unwavering derision to Israel for its illegal and terroristic dealings over the decades. It’s too bad that my following phrase is only “slightly” exaggerated. “It’s sticks and stones versus machine guns and missiles. “. Anyone protesting that phrase as inaccurate should be reminded that it is an exaggeration, but only slightly, and the fact that ANY ISRAELIs used such methods should be shame enough. When a response is given by either side, that they have a right to defend their home, it is too often carrying too much baggage to be taken as well defined and accurate. The establishment of the state of Israel as it initially stood and stands today is well beyond the historical standards generally accepted worldwide. It should not exist as it does. So, the issue demands the United Nations, or more importantly the world, to immediately gather a coalition of interested parties to debate their opinions and claims to the existence of a Jewish state of Israel. That said, once a legitimate sovereign nation is established, we should keep our noses out the affairs of any sovereign state, and they should have the right to treat their citizens as they see fit. If the citizens are being subjugated, well, join the party because we all are, but to artificially prop up a religion founded country in the ways that the West has over these years needs to end. The fairy tale story of the 2nd Coming was established to give both reason to revere Jesus Christ and reason to fear him. And the rest, as they say, is history.

[@Research0digo]

15:03 GOD Jay SHUT UP! Dr. Finkelstein never inferred that's what he thought you asked! You have the right to keep a guest on point, not just rambling, for time's sake and to keep the audience's attention - but you have repeatedly ignored he is a bonifide PhD, and you keep interjecting, offering what you know. I didn't click on this video series to listen to you tell me how much you know on a subject. I know, let's all come to your house, ask about you, your qualifications to be a show host, the Jay family name and it's history, and then 3 seconds into every sentence, we'll interrupt you with hang on hang on, I know such and such. I realize you have to explain to the odd 20 year old who may be listening, who Andrei Gromyko was... but I am talking about your constantly interrupting the man. How about a graphic with 'see below' at the end, and putting things or people to look up on their own after the segment! Earlier, Dr. Finkelstein was telling us about how he offered to still teach at the small NY college for two days a week, and how much he was making, just before that - you cut him off - then never let him finish. Does TRNN not have another host??? SHUT UP!

[@takesallkindscomedy]

The interviewer is highly respectful, intellectually curious, clearly to the delight of Finkelstein who often tires quickly of interviewers for good reason, and follows Norman’s lead, interjecting at appropriate points for clarification for his audience. Anyone who’s worked in media will tell you, sometimes you have to stick to a time schedule, and sometimes that involves politely putting something the interviewee is saying to one side in order to get through the interview, which the interviewee knows in advance and agrees to following a sort of trajectory. I thought this was a great example of interviewing decorum, respect and skillfulness.

[@rajkapoor490]

I do feel sad , I know you will get some opening

[@rwaleed99]

I wish I could shadow you and learn from you

[@monnajoyan463]

Reality

[@thefakenewsnetwork8072]

Shoutout to madison grant

[@jim6798]

The 1946 map is not accurate. There wasn’t any Palestinian land in 1946 as there was never a Palestinian country in all of history. Also, the part you designate as Palestinian land was mostly empty wasteland.

[@aidanjohnkelly]

The moon is also really made of cheese, too.

[@Zatzzo]

7:05 "a blurb from me kills a book" - that may have to do with him screaming "we are all hezbollah" at the top of his lungs back in 2006 and other such stunts. Finkelstein MUST have known that things like that get you into trouble. As much as i admire him and his work, i'm also afraid i have to say - the man is extremely foolish.

[@Jason_The_Man]

Another issue with him is he misquotes the 49th article of the Geneva Convention.

[@johndunne7900]

The Arabs never had a state called Palestine, The Ottomans ruled the area from Syria, later the League of Nations created the mandate forPslestine which included what is now Jordan, 78 percent of the Palestine mandate became the Arab state of Trans Jordan , The remainder bcame the state of Israel. The Arabswhere offered part of the land of Israel but refused UN GA 141 in 1947, and stared a war against the Jews. The Arabs lost . 5 Arab states and one Jewish state. Jordan, Egypt Iraq Lebanon Kuwait , all made from the mandate system.

[@semprefidelis76]

I am Turkish. I am Ottoman. We ruled that land and anything above, below, left and right. In other words, entire continent. We have historical books that date to 1400s. And such historical books dating back to 1400s call the locals of that area as Filistinliler and Filistin. Palestinians and Palestine. That area had nothing to do with Jews, except a very small historical minority of Arab Jews. We Turks have no reason to lie or support Arabs. This is the reality. We also saved Jews. Look up Sephardic Jews. In 1492, King of Spain expelled Jews, asked Jews to convert to Christianity or face death. Ottoman Sultan (let me remind you, who was a Muslim) sent ships and saved them. Some of the ships went to Morocco, some to Istanbul. Just so it is clear, a Muslim saved tens of thousands of Jews. You Jews should be true to yourselves. Don’t try to claim there was no Palestine. Instead, just say “my grand ancestor Moshe lived in Palestine fucking 5000 years ago. So, using our big brother USA, we forced our way in and moved from New York, Paris and Moscow in 1950s 😂 Nobody’s is buying your historical explanation crap 🤣

[@johndunne7900]

Did Turkey create a Arab state called Palestine, the answer is no. Did Turkey lose World War I, the answer is yes. Did Turkey create the Arab state of Jordan, the answer is no. Did Turkey create the Arab state of Syria, no .Did Turkey create the Arab state of Iraq, the answer is no. Is there a state called Israel, the answer is yes. Is the state of Israel recognized by the United Nations, the answer is yes. Does the state of Turkey recognize the state of Israel, the answer is yes. Did The ottoman empire sign the treaty of Sevres, the answer is yes. Should the Kurdish people have a state of their own?

[@tilik13]

Very strange map. What's 'palestinian' area? One can't occupy an area. The country of Jordan takes up about 90% of that area, are the Jordanians occupiers?

[@NG-gb1ov]

CFBR

[@thefakenewsnetwork8072]

Im god

[@mambaman9363]

He’s a looking for a home. Just a looking for a home. He’s a boll weavil

[@MakeItInterestingNow]

I am afraid he deserves all of it. I just bought his book Gaza and it full of imprecisions and it very much reads like he is plugging an agenda the way he disregards certain facts. I would not recommend his books, sorry.

[@GazaFloatilla]

:D

[@waltermesser9737]

The next map will be all white!

[@gigiizzy5651]

No such thing as a "right to return" to something thay was never yours. There was no Palestinian staye, they rejected every division plan and peace offer, started a war and lost it. End of story.

[@paradox6604]

all lie

[@thefakenewsnetwork8072]

Long live eugenics

[@benjaminliberman9744]

We'll he's right about one thing- he's nothing!

[@Jason_The_Man]

I would take this guy seriously if he did t support Hamas, an Iranian funded terrorist organization. Talk about a nation that discriminates and insane. He seems to have no problem with them.

[@joelleenbeangh2158]

Norman F is a denier is a denier. Get a job in Iran.

[@transom2]

Denying what? He doesn't deny the Holocaust. He doesn't deny the right of Israel to exist. He supports a 2 state solution. What is he denying?

[@155stw]

@@transom2 don’t worry about the douche you are replying to, she/he has breakfast lunch and denier that’s why denier comes of of his/her ass.

[@dr.florence]

It boggles my mind how anyone even dares to interrupt the professor ("hang on, hang on") - like what?!? You go and do the work he has done and then maybe talk. Maybe.

[@myempireofdirtt]

exactly

[@lamourmckenzie4995]

We should boycott google.until they change this