The Man from Taured - Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World

[@TheDiscipleofMasterMeng孟子]

As a Japanese translator, I noticed some interesting things the AI failed to show : The name shouldn't be ever translated a Ziegler. His name is consistently transliterated in Japanese as: ジョン・アレン・Ｋ・ジーグラス (Jon Aren K Jīgurasu). His name would probably be John Allen K. Zieglass or something simular. I assume the AI probably thought the name was an error. 人を食う (lit. eat a person) is a common expression meaning "to be insolent, arrogant or rude." So the last phrase on the April '61 article would probably be better rendered as: " ...All things considered, Zieglass is an extremely arrogant man." The Korean woman Zieglass was married to is described as a 内妻(Naisai) or a common-law wife. I highly doubt that route would be very profitable to look into. With the common-law marriage, disruptive suicide attempt and forged documents, it gives me the impression Zieglass doesn't want to be tracked or identified. It makes me question if he even gave a real name. It could be possible the guy was on the run for some reason but who knows. Anyways, I really appreciate your work Jimmy! I also want you to know that I was recently baptized in the Catholic church and your podcasts and debates really helped me on my journey back to God. If you need help with Japanese translations in the future, I would love to help!

[@kimfleury]

Thank you for the translation and thoughts. Welcome home to the Church! Merry Christmas 🙏🏻🌹✝️🌟🎄

[@LaMadrigueradelCyborg]

wow! I feel admiration, thank you for the clarification

[@Flyingcar100]

It’s always kind of interesting when something I thought was a internet story turns out to be much older

[@pixelprincess9]

This may be a new favourite for Mysterious World! Amazing quality of research, Jimmy. Best on KZbin!

[@huntermhartley1497]

A great and succinct episode. Love the variety of topics that this show handles.

[@thetreeoflifegrove]

Ah, wonderful! I am so glad you are covering this mystery, Jimmy! This one has long boggled me and I look forward to hearing your viewpoint. I thank God for you and God bless you, Jimmy. You are an enormous blessing in my life.

[@TheK2008]

Great episode! Thank you!

[@tcb6857]

I'm excited for this one, thanks for covering this subject guys!

[@Gangstalkingtarget]

Great episode!!

[@xehaexox]

Great episode!

[@reginaldwooster235]

:Gets arrested for fake passport: :Gets 1 year sentence: :Disturbs court hearing: :Appeals: :Gets 1 year sentence: :Has already served 1 year: :Leaves with no explanation:

[@marksteo6178]

Thank you again for coming up with the most interesting stories for us to consider

[@StephenDEvelyn]

Wonderfully thorough discussion of a very strange story. I was riveted from start to finish!

[@thomasb6105]

It is amazing that ordinary people can be so tenacious, sorting through oceans of information to find the details of this event that happened more than 50 years ago! The time-travel legend was amusing, but the truth is much more satisfying. Bravo to the Redit Sleuths. Another Urban Legend BUSTED! And Bravo to Jimmy Akin too, for his informative and entertaining presentation of the facts.

[@autumnglow840]

Just going on my ruck walk, wondering what i was going to listen to on the path. No need to wonder now 😁 Thanks Jimmy and Team!

[@AmitySapiens]

This was verrrry interesting. Great research to the Redditor who found all that obscure information, and to your staff and you for putting it all together in such an entertaining way.

[@BruceinKansas]

Another fascinating story and methodical process to get to a satisfying finish. Well done, guys!

[@nebolevar3583]

I just started learning Japanese, so this was a fun episode for that! For the record, the katakana for our perpetrator's name is, literally, "Jon Aren K Jigurasu". So "Ziegless" is a definite possibility for his real surname but it's too hard to tell for sure

[@tonyl3762]

The linguistic analysis of the names given in the Japanese articles is definitely value-add (as far as I know)! It also uniquely gives a kind of call to action or quest for those watching this episode. This might be a contender for a top episode of the year.

[@lordwife]

Never heard about this! Super excited.

[@fernandez3841]

When you mentioned in the beginning that the man was "Caucasian", it was so strange to me. I'm from Europe, and Caucasians are swarthy complexion people like Armenians, Kurds, Chechens, Georgians, etc. Not European at all but caucASIANS

[@JimmyAkin]

Understood. Here in America, the term "Caucasian" is used for everyone of European descent, regardless of how fair or swarthy their complexion is. It's just a quirk of American English.

[@wildhunt3302]

@@JimmyAkin please correct me if I’m wrong, but it may be an archaic hold over from when people were classified into racial subgroups like mongoloid, negroid and caucasoid. I remember reading about them in an encyclopedia from the 60s.

[@d.a.tsun5104]

@@wildhunt3302 That's my understanding as well. Even if it's not a dead-accurate name, I still think that there are 3 basic races as there are 3 primary colors.

[@decluesviews2740]

I remember this story from an Episode of The Why Files, but I don’t remember how it concluded, so this will be nice to watch quasi-fresh.

[@tonyl3762]

Jimmy's value add comes from the linguistic analysis of the names given in the Japanese articles.

[@emilyvalot6948]

Very interesting story!

[@TheJeh1]

So, where and when did the idea of him vanishing from a hotel room originate?

[@bombastoid]

Fascinating story. I had heard of this mystery man before, but never in this much detail. Very informative. By the way, at 47:31 Mr. Akin doesn't drop the g in "writing."

[@josephc9963]

Came for the internet lore, stayed for the unexpected decades-old story of international crime!

[@Aldegundis]

Even without time travel, it's weird that this guy made a "Please don't eat the daisies" situation for the Japanese. What motive did he have for such an obvious scam?

[@josephc9963]

Just looked on ancestry and turns out there are quite a few American men born around 1923 with names close enough to be contenders. Time to get cracking, I guess!

[@mamamia601]

Shoot, I never thought there's more to this story haha. Thanks Jim.

[@evelynbaldwin3212]

always love this tale --

[@dogwoodannie]

Zegris's picture reminds me of the DB Cooper's sketch.

[@cyclone8974]

I like how they made it look like they got his passport picture in a morgue, which is very accurate.

[@trulyawesomenewmexicocatho1775]

So Clerics are supposed to be politicians but there are all kinds of exceptions. For example one of the senior senators in the state Senate in New Mexico is a deacon and he’s been both a deacon and a senator for as long as I can remember.

[@undolf4097]

You can get permission, and if he’s old enough he might even be grandfathered in. Though I doubt deacons are being held to strict scrutiny on if they can run for office

[@trulyawesomenewmexicocatho1775]

My understanding is that Deacons definitely are not allowed but Deacon Compos got special permission.

[@t.j.armendariz354]

I’m not sure the specifics, but I know the rule was implemented because of a priest in the US senate who advocated things like abortion

[@undolf4097]

@ two congressmen for the democrats were priests and did that in the 70s yeah

[@AbsurdScandal]

What AI translator did you use to translate the Japanese text? Quality of translation accuracy may vary among models.

[@perrob]

The man from Taured was the extra dimensional version of John Ziegler. Source: trust me broh

[@Voivode.of.Hirsir]

31:58 that's DB Cooper!

[@jeremias-serus]

Doesn’t look like DB in my opinion. Zegrus seems to have a pronounced neck droop, whereas DB doesn’t at all. As well DB’s face is much slimmer and caves to a point at his chin, whereas Zegrus’ is more boxy.

[@kimfleury]

My internal dialog from the start of the episode: I bet it's Tuareg. I love that tribe. Fascinating culture. St. Monica might have been a Tuareg. Oh I hope this doesn't turn out to be a flat boring ep. If it's just urban legend and he's a Tuareg or pretending to be Tuareg, then I'm going to be disappointed ☹️ I'll give it a listen to see if Jimmy can save it. [After listening up to the Reddit mention] Oh wow! This is getting to be really interesting! I thought Reddit was for trash. Hmm. 🤔 I guess I'll have to rethink my views on it. [Up to the linguistics discussion, I had assumed that the man's name was taken from his false passport, but it makes sense that even that transcription to Japanese would have been difficult, and that the newspaper reports probably were written by journalists who did their best to sound it out because they were unfamiliar with transcribing Roman letters into the Japanese system of writing. The linguistics lesson itself was a refresher for me, as I did take a linguistics course in college near the end of my degree load...and considered changing my major, but it was too late]. All in all, I wasn't the least bit disappointed. In fact, I'm curious enough to go to Find-A-Grave to look up John's possible surnames. There could be something there. Oh, another thought that I feel free to mention since all the members of the family in my city have passed away: There was a man called "Whitey" Cutcher in my childhood neighborhood. He was from Tennessee, I think. He got the nickname because his hair turned snow white at a very young age. I don't know what his given name was. Sadly, his children who were younger than me passed away some years ago. Cutcher isn't a common name, so there might be a connection there. I wish all who read this a blessed Advent Season and spiritual, joyous Christmas Season.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Have a nice Christmas

[@kimfleury]

​@deutschermichel5807thank you! And to you, as well 🙏🏻🌹✝️🌟🎄

[@glen-y8p]

Re a cleric holding a state office. In Monaco the archbishop there holds an official state office. Sounds like a spin off MW episode 😂

[@mrs.y]

I love stories like this, Jimmy! I'm on pins and needles. Also, I think we should pay people in livestock again. It'd have a lot more meaning to a paycheck lol.

[@daisyviluck7932]

But what if your neighborhood isn’t zoned for chickens 😳

[@nightyew2160]

People could literally bring home the bacon.

[@deutschermichel5807]

I think the Church should accept lifestock as Tithe

[@nightyew2160]

This guy claiming to both be an American and speak fourteen languages seems highly suspicious to me. 😉

[@chateaumojo]

Isn't Janansfer his last name?

[@undolf4097]

I don’t think the co-heads of Andorra actually exercise a civil power? Sounds like the law specifically was written around them

[@bloggerty-schmoo2698]

Taured - as in Taurus - as in a load of Bull 🤣🤣🤣

[@bellyyyyyy]

Jimmy - first, I am a huge fan. Second, I would love to get your take on this - I feel like it is the best commentary on Daniel 2 that I have every seen - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5eQe3mci9iBiMksi=rg-UoV9PbxzMu9uH - I would love your opinion. He also did an amazing commentary on Cain & Abel. I would love for you to have him on your show and I think it would generate a lot of interest.

[@arroyosmelgar7042]

I would thought it was a hoax

[@waynecornell-w5u]

Looking for a couple of answers from Catholics, Do you have to eat the Eucharist to go to heaven and the other Sacraments also?

[@nightyew2160]

According to Catholic teaching, Baptism is the Sacrament by which we are restored to sanctifying grace so that we can go to heaven. If we lose sanctifying grace again by committing grave sin after Baptism, we are restored to sanctifying grace again by repenting and the Sacrament of Reconciliation (also known as Confession or Penance). These are the ordinary means through His Church by which Christ gives us the sanctifying grace He won for us by His life, death, and resurrection. However, we have hope in God's justice that He can in a mysterious way also apply the salvation won by Christ to those who cannot receive Baptism for no fault of their own. Examples include people who choose Baptism but die before they can be and people who would have chosen Baptism but never knew about it such as the peoples on the western continents before meeting Christians. Anyway, that's a rough sketch. I hope that helps.

[@PeccatorSpePlenus]

Salvation is by Faith leading to works. Faith must lead to works. In practical terms this means we must cooperate with God's grace to achieve salvation. The Sacraments are the primary means by which God gives out grace so those cooperating with God's grace will seek and receive the Sacraments. Yet, God, in His sovereignty, can extraordinarily act outside the Sacraments to bring salvation to people if He so wishes. So any person looking to establish a relationship with Christ and inherit eternal life ought to receive the Sacraments but we should not assume that everyone who did not receive the Sacraments are damned.

[@waynecornell-w5u]

@@nightyew2160 Thanks, also is there a certain age one has to be to partake of the Eucharist and if so why?

[@jdotoz]

None of the sacraments are absolutely necessary. God can save anyone through any means he sees fit. *Refusal* of the sacraments could be a problem, however. There is no strict age requirement for first Communion. Right now the west normally does it around the "age of reason," to follow first confession. In the east it's given right after baptism.

[@waynecornell-w5u]

@@nightyew2160 thank you! had other people tell me you must partake of the Eucharist to go to Heaven

[@jmj.thomas]

We did it, Reddit!!

[@qanaqa33174]

🎉

[@Blissfulnessence]

👍

[@mattmattvw]

First comment! PUMPED!!

[@huntermhartley1497]

A great and succinct episode. Love the variety of topics that this show handles.