The Zodiac Killer Crimes - Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World

[@LydiaBee13]

The voice actor for the Zodiac Killer was phenomenal! He really captured the manic narcissism. Great episode

[@VB-ih2zr]

I actually wondered if it was AI because he keeps saying "plus" for what is obviously "+" ("and") for a native English speaker (street intersections).

[@LydiaBee13]

@@VB-ih2zr I don't believe so, because he has done other episodes as well and didn't have that voice pattern. I think he did so to emphasize the way the Zodiac's letters were written because they were all riddles in particular stanzas

[@VB-ih2zr]

@@LydiaBee13good point re emphasis! I realized it must have been a real person at the end when they thanked him

[@papuciowy1465]

To me, his reading sounds annoyingly over-expressive, but I'm glad You enjoyed it. :)

[@LydiaBee13]

@@papuciowy1465 I think the whole point is to make you uncomfortable, which he for sure succeeded in lol but I can see how it could be too much for someone

[@ParksLover]

*Explains that Zodiac video won't be as scary as that on some other true crime channels because we'll keep it clinical rather than go into gory details and we won't use scary music* *Proceeds to hire super creepy voice actor for the Zodiac Killer* 😂 That's not a complaint. He was creepily good.

[@atomzero1]

He definitely went into business for himself.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

As one does, with the Zodiac. We're all looking for answers so.

[@pixelprincess9]

Wow! The voice actor for the Zodiac Killer knocked it out of the park today!! I got chills just listening to him. Thank you for the wonderful content, Jimmy & Dom

[@ironymatt]

I hated it, which is probably exactly the effect he was going for

[@KillingReal]

Isn't that a little bit diiferent way to make the bomb they weote in the anarchist cookbook??

[@Arthur-bb2zf]

I lived in the Bay Area when the zodiac began his crimes. I remember the headlines my mom and dad read about him and very scary pictures of him. I can’t describe the horrific chill his killings and threatening letters impressed upon all who lived in and near the Bay Area. Very terrifying.

[@RebeccaLynne2046]

The voice actor comes off positively creepy! He sounds like that Tiptoe Through The Tulips guy with his maniacal hahahahaha 😂 Loved this episode, and it's perfect for Friday the 13th.

[@b4u334]

Absolutely love these “secular” and true crime mysteries (DB Cooper, DC sniper, etc)!! You do a great job investigating and telling the story. I’ve always heard about the Zodiac killer but never looked into it because i find it creepy but you strike a good balance! That cliff hanger tho.. ugh!

[@aler7648]

Yay! Just last week I was hoping Jimmy would cover this case. Thanks!

[@ryrylamby]

I like when Jimmy does these adult topics, like the DC sniper case. He doesn't sensationalize it more than it needs to be.

[@kimfleury]

I don't remember hearing about the zodiac killer in the background when my Dad watched Huntley and Brinkley in the evenings after supper. I didn't become aware of it until maybe the last 10-20 years or so. This is all new to me.

[@noircc]

Really creepy. Awaiting the next weeks episode.

[@AKdon68]

Was waiting for a murder mystery from Jimmy for a long time.

[@nightyew2160]

The bit at the beginning about how they wouldn't use creepy music reminded me of Scooby Doo and how they used things like a laugh track to make their scary stories totally unscary for kids. Background sound (or lack of it) makes so much difference!

[@RebeccaLynne2046]

That Scooby-Doo intro music used to scare me. I had to run out of the room when it came on 😂

[@jendoe9436]

Speaking of, a friend and I were re-watching Scooby Do Zombie Island not too long ago. Nothing else was on so we thought “oh this would be fun and cheery.” Man watching it as an adult, you realize just how creepy and scary it actually is! Yeah it’s cartoonish and the gang is their usual goofball selves, but that just made the voodoo and supernatural elements all the more creepy 😖

[@nightyew2160]

A cliffhanger?! I am not looking forward to the indeterminate wait between episodes 2 and 3.

[@gunnerkobra]

I think the voice actor is the zodiac.

[@DivineMercyCatechesis]

Hey Jimmy, this is one of my most anticipated mysteries ever since I started watching a year and a half ago! It was worth the wait. I was wondering if you had heard of this documentary on Peacock that claimed that the Zodiac Killer was a myth (or the book that influenced it)? If so, what do you think of that theory. Thoughts on the theory on Arthur Leigh Allen? PS, where can I send questions for Weird Questions? I had an interesting one on The Twilight Zone and the Catholic Faith.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

The Zodiac Killer myth hoax could fit within the context of recent "Truther" conspiracies. Which include, "Sandy Hook" not being real killings of children, the "Holocaust" not being the real persecution and state sponsored murder of a whole race of people. All of this is to say, I view it as the respite of unsophisticated ppl that can't comprehend that the world is a place where atrocities can occur, so they run and hide from reality, instead of accepting that the world is, as it is. It's like a child pulling the blanket over their heads during a storm. The storm does not go away because of it, but it does eventually go away and could provide soothing succor to the simple minded.

[@nightyew2160]

Did anyone else notice how in the letter to the lawyer the handwriting totally changed? The writing in the other letters is slanted and narrow, and everything in the final one is so straight and round. I thought it must be a fake until Jimmy said he included another piece of the shirt. He also spelled Christmass the same way. I hope this gets discussed in one of the future episodes.

[@lordwife]

I love how the voice actor sounds like Frank Gorshin who played the Riddler in the Batman TV show.

[@jendoe9436]

Still listening to this but wanted to say really I like the narrator y’all have for the Zodiac’s voice! Still think his work as “Michael” from the ‘communist infiltration’ episode is the best, but this is a very close second so far

[@lucasabele5664]

Commenting for the algorithm.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

This is an underrated post.

[@LisaBrandel]

The part where the zodiac was being interviewed on tv made me physically cringe. If the host would have shut up and let the crazy man talk instead of pulling focus he might have gotten caught. *if it had been the real killer. Or some other crazy man

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

Turns out this wasn't the Zodiac. But a patient from a mental facility that was identified.

[@bobtaylor170]

Note to Jimmy Akin: Melvin Belli's last name was not pronounced "Belly," but "Bel-lie." He was one of America's half dozen best known criminal defense lawyers for many years, primarily in the 1950s - 1970s.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

Belli was a fascinating character wasn't he? Makes you wonder, he was so odd as a lawyer, as to become a celebrity . You wonder if Zodiac "chose" him because of that? To "steal his clout" in a way.

[@Ruudes1483]

Posting this on Friday the 13th seems oddly appropriate

[@jendoe9436]

*checks calendar* oh man, I didn’t even notice that 😅 what a great start to this episode series

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

Did you know the origin of the Friday the 13th myth? I didn't. I believe it dates back to the supposed day that the Knights templar were rounded up, and summarily burned at the stake. True story.

[@trad-lite]

I’m a huge fan of the Zodiac movie, plus Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World, plus I used to go to Lake Berryessa when I was a little kid back in the mid 80’s, plus I think we SHOULD have a Zodiac month.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

Awesome.

[@atomzero1]

"We aren't going to sensationalize this." No one told voice actor guy. Good grief.

[@aprilblake2784]

I want to take a shot at a psychological profile based on what was in this episode. Seems to me that the Zodiac killer felt a need for power and control. He also was extremely angry when he perceived someone was ignoring him or was misunderstanding him. He had a car, so probably a job. My guess is he would be a very difficult employee because of a resentment of authority. He probably showed ambition at work but his personality would hold him back and that would make him more resentful. As a result, he might have had some difficulty in staying with one job for any real length of time. He probably had difficulty socially in school but had the academic ability to pass. His psychological issues might have prevented him from graduating though. So his job prospects were entry level, blue collar stuff. I'm guessing he was single and didn't have any children. If he was in his mid to late 20's in 68, he would be in his 80's if he made it that long. It is possible but seems unlikely to me that he is still alive today. I think his ego would still be demanding attention and so he would have been communicating with someone about a biography.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

That's almost an exact profile of my namesake Edward Wayne Edwards. You know he (I) was a serial killer that killed couples, on lovers lanes. He (I) also was a truck driver during the killings in San Francisco. And He (I) had an above average IQ because he was in and out of prison his entire life, and had a psychological workup done, that is public record. One thing though, He (I) had a full family even thought he (I) was a serial killer. This is not uncommon and is similar to BTK, who also had a family and was still a serial killer, who attempted to communcate with the authorities using codes. Unsuccessfully.

[@josephconrow1192]

I saw a new video from GroovyGavin showing some new theories that have emerged recently!

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

I'll look for them. I'm always interested in new theories, that lead away from....I mean that uncover the truth about who the Zodiac is...was.

[@johnl7098]

The voice actor for the letters sounds like he was channeling Brad Dourif from Exorcist III.

[@zope6362]

True crime?!

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

I believe Don Cheney is likely the zodiac and i believe Ted Braden was DB Cooper

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

Drew Beeson would agree. I’d love to find out for sure who both were. Hopefully one day 🤞

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt Yes the great Drew Beeson who I was glad was mentioned in this very episode.

[@drewbeeson7117]

@@NickyMetropolis1313thanks Nicky !

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

Tom Brady was not the Zodiac.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt Drew Brees was not the Zodiac.

[@russellstutler8234]

great episode, but the narrator's embellishments were distracting

[@xehaexox]

it was a bit much

[@billrupert7560]

Yeah, it kinda went against the typical style of this show where it doesn't try to dramatize anything

[@bensolo7000]

Jimmy made the claim at the beginning that there wasn't supposed to be too sensationalization but then the audio gets pretty sensational. ☹👎 Dissappointing.

[@lordwife]

I thought it added interest.

[@atomzero1]

Glad I'm not the only one. Unbearable.

[@aprilblake2784]

I just watched a video talking about a guy on Tik Tok who thinks his grandfather, Richard Hoffman, could have been the Zodiac killer. The reasons for the suspicion are actually compelling. It could have been Richard Hoffman, who was a police officer in Vallejo at the time of the murders. Seems like a real possibility to me.

[@aprilblake2784]

I wonder if officer Richard Hoffman killed the woman he was having an affair with and created the Zodiac killer character to cover his tracks. He knew about a previous unsolved murder and knew he could confuse the investigation into his lovers murder by tying the murders together. Investigating a couple of future murders, like the cab driver, he could pin them on the Zodiac character as well. The hooded man could have been him, deepening the character, or could have been a copycat. You never know.

[@JasonThayer-s8h]

Wasn’t one of the Dirty Harry movies inspired by the Zodiac Killer?

[@JimmyAkin]

Yup! The first one. We talk about that next week.

[@courtneypollard2770]

As was BTK of Wichita

[@Gonzalezluis89]

Based on this show, seems to me that the 2007 movie is pretty accurate. If anyone hasn’t seen that movie, then what are you doing. Go watch it today. It’s a great movie.

[@rosecorcoran]

The false "Sam" tv caller reminds me of the infamous "Jack the Ripper" letters, which some believe were not written by the actual Whitechapel Murderer (who may have written a different letter to the press, but not signed as Jack the Ripper).

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

That's a good point. I could agree.

[@MaolsheachlannÓCeallaigh]

I would have said Ted Bundy was the most famous American serial killer.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

It's Zodiac.

[@Flyingcar100]

Were the spell errors the Zodiac Killer made on purpose or was he a bad at spelling?

[@bobtaylor170]

My hunch is they were deliberate. He made Gilbert and Sullivan references, and not many semiliterates know Gilbert and Sullivan. The fact that Zodiac knew Gilbert and Sullivan makes me strongly suspect that the man named in the Graysmith books was the Zodiac. That man, whom I will not name, knew the Gilbert and Sullivan canon well.

[@mydogs5040]

@@bobtaylor170 The zodiac misspellings were intentional. Zodiac created misspelled words and cerous is one. Zodiac installed solar panels and later had his own company. The Zodiac was all about solar energy, green energy. You saw this in Z340 where he talks about the atmosphere. You saw solar physics at the bottom of the yellow DL card. Solar and Enkman (solar panel is as you know, in Z32, what those misspelled words are about are additional clues, Somewhat bigger clues than that misspelling. Mostly all solar or green energy related. He spelled 80 percent of what Craig thinks is misspelled a deliberately misspelled word by zodiac. No, what he did in most misspelling is insert another clue, like you know there are two 3 in 1's Once again he did the same with misspellings. But this is 2 in 1. Here is what Craig said was a badly misspelled word Cerous - and here is the real meaning and the clue behind this :The secret word "solar allows you to see clue number 2. Do you now see what he has said really ?? You can find them all except for real misspelllings, which are few and far between. Optical Studies of Cerous Solutions 1 - ACS pubs.acs.org › doi by LJ Heidt · 1955 · Cited by 60 - Fifty years of solar energy research supported by the Cabot Fund. Solar Energy 1989, 43 (2) , 107-128. doi.org/10.1016/0038-092X(89)90152-7. ScienceDirect.com www.sciencedirect.com › article › abs › pii by HC Hottel · 1989 · Cited by 10 - Influence of perchloric acid and cerous perchlorate upon the photochemical ... solar energy at a building scale. In the present work, a simple ... Now here is Clews - what you may think is another misspelled word- again green energy and solar is referred to. The Climate, Land-use, Energy and Water Systems (CLEWs) models are focused on assessing interlinkages between resource systems in order to understand how production and use of food, energy and water security resources may contribute to climate change, and how climate change may affect resource systems. Most people think he is a dummy and spelled words wrong, he is anything but stupid. Thats not what those are, and YOU NEED THEM. This now narrows the field of suspects way way down. Probably to ZERO. I dont know a suspect who is into solar like Zodiac is so much. Thats the reason for the Wingwalkers - walking on roofs, thats the reason for the paint, gutter touch ups, He holds certifications in solar and electricity and this is why. ou will be able to tell of the certifications Zodiac has by this " DOB CT CN, that is not date of birth, that is dept of buildings. See: Climate Technology Centre and Network (CTCN) In other words green energy. And if you have a solar license, you must have an electrical one. The panel box. The CTCN facilitates the provision of information and knowledge to strengthen the capacity of developing countries to identify, design, and adapt technology ... Now if you got every clue and interpreted correctly and he has left more than enough to find him, you would know his name.

[@mydogs5040]

On purpose, you type. misspelling than the secret word solar to see clue 2. But some are real.

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

@@bobtaylor170 Say it. SAY IT!!!

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

@@mydogs5040 We need these answers my dogs. We need them.

[@chab1rd155]

He was a nutter! 🥜

[@EdEdwardsCiphers]

Allergic?

[@ThePlayfarer]

Ted Cruz: *nervous sweating*

[@jendoe9436]

From what I’ve seen, he embraces the meme pretty well so doubt he’ll be nervously sweating 😂

[@JasonThayer-s8h]

Ugh. Trump cultist alert.

[@ThePlayfarer]

@@JasonThayer-s8h What?

[@JasonThayer-s8h]

That was a lie spread by Trump so people wouldn’t vote for Cruz.

[@lordwife]

@@JasonThayer-s8h I’m so confused

[@billbarrett6285]

Melvin Belli's name is pronounced Bell-eye, not Belly.

[@trad-lite]

The Zodiac voice and the Twice as Nice voice are the same guy😅

[@raymondsheffield5366]

A genuine possibility is..there were multiple people working in tandem. Maybe followers of a..MASTERMIND. And, that cop..HUFF...well, he had a creepy quality about him. you can't deny...

[@lukasv4026]

I think that Antiapostle guy will now definitely be hired for such roles :) He really nailed it. And thanks Jimmy and Dom!

[@ZaklinDimitrijevic]

I believe he was lieing about collecting slaves.

[@papuciowy1465]

I don't like the acting of the man reading the killer's messages. I'd like better if there was no acting at all, just simple reading.

[@fletcherthompson1272]

I didn't even know the @ symbol existed back then.

[@ThePlayfarer]

I think he just said that because it's the closest thing to what it looked like.

[@fletcherthompson1272]

@@ThePlayfarer I looked it up and Quora says it was first used by Constantinos Manasses in 1345 in a Greek text, and it looked the same. Yeah, blew my mind. I bet it would blow ole Constatinos' mind to see it now.

[@DarkSylvia]

My only criticism of the voice actor is his butchering of the "good byyye" part, as this is at complete variance with how it was supposedly delivered by the Zodiac.

[@bensolo7000]

I want to voice a concern about this episode being too much glorification of a likely demon possessed man and not enough emphasis being placed on the young innocent victims. Is this matter really being approached from a Catholic perspective??

[@jendoe9436]

As Jimmy mentioned at the beginning, this topic is being broken out into multiple videos in order to provide a better focus on The Zodiac Killer topic. This episode comes across more as a basic information dump to lay out the timeline of the happening, and will develop more into the inner workings later. This episode is far from “glorifying” the killer, it’s simply laying out the events as they unfolded. I’ve listened to true crime channels, shows, podcasts, etc. and they are way more likely to glorify these kind of events more than Jimmy does, especially these types of crimes. Since this is a basic overview of an expected longer series, it’s understandable we won’t dive into most of the people because that will add in a lot of details that can clutter the overall narrative of the episode. Just because a five minute segment isn’t being devoted to the victims, it doesn’t mean they are being ignored or pushed aside in the narrative. Jimmy will most likely give his final “Catholic perspective” at the end once everything has been laid in, as he tends to do with these episodes and has done for multi-part videos.

[@bensolo7000]

@@jendoe9436 I disagree. Jimmy typically has his co-host read things, yet for this episode there was a more dramatic voice used. My complaint isn't as much that the episode is inappropriate fundamentally, my concern is how it was handled creatively. It ends on a cliff hanger of "you know I'm going to kill you"??? Killing is a mortal sin against a commandment of God. My complaint is that his disclaimer at the beginning is false. He should have said that they WILL be using dramatic voice to illicit some amount of accuracy and drama; not claim that he WASN'T going to do so. Just tell us the truth. Just be aware of what you are actually doing.

[@lordwife]

Bad people do commit sins. Killers are bad people. Jimmy being totally dispassionate with the killer would almost be minimizing the evil in his heart.

[@jendoe9436]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@bensolo7000​​⁠ Jimmy and Don have had other people narrate before, and over the past year have employed them more often to give the topic dimension and draw in the audiences’ attention. Mysterious World is a learning show, but also used for entertainment. A straight read of the police reports, letters, etc. would eventually become boring or not give justice to the events and people involved. Jimmy also didn’t say he wasn’t going to use ANY dramatic elements in the beginning of the video, he said he wasn’t going to over dramatize the topic like other people do. If the Zodiac Killer was known to speak in a certain style, then it would be prudent to replicate it in order to better reflect the events as they happened. I genuinely wasn’t expecting a narrator for the ZK voice, but it was a pleasant surprise because it did add more to the overview and this voice narrator has done good work on this channel in the past. Also, everyone with basic knowledge knows murder is a sin. Hence why the ZK struck terror into people. The cliff hanger about the ZK with his victim is in line with the entertainment nature of this show, as that will probably lead into the next segment of the series Jimmy is going to explore. I would not be too scrupulous with this issue as most people understand the horror of the ZK’s actions and the presentation so far is being handled quite clinically compared to many other presentations I’ve seen on the ZK and others. Long time viewers know Jimmy’s style and how MW operates with stuff like this, and it’s definitely tame compared to what you can find out there.

[@bensolo7000]

@@jendoe9436 The extent to which you will justify and defend this shows how low we have dropped as a culture of death. This episode it NOT OKAY and it should not be defended. Catholics should do better.