The Man That God Hated (Biblical Stories Explained)

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Title: The Fall Of Esau - How He Lost His Spritual Blessing
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[@sny8317]

The greatest man in history is Jesus. He had no servant, yet they called him master. He had no degree, yet they called him teacher. He had no medicines,yet they called him healer. He had no army, yet kings feared him. He won no military battle, yet he conquered the world. He committed no crime, yet they crucified him. He was buried in a tomb,yet he lives Today. Amen.

[@Dafterthought]

So true

[@nicolelove2501]

Praising The LORD JESUS CHRIST, Forever!

[@lay588]

Amen

[@king49334]

he won.

[@alphonsabiju4345]

Amen

[@nicholashernandez9804]

Alot of people who read this story have trouble understanding the morality issue. Our God wants the best for all of us so it is difficult to comprehend why he favored jacob over esau amd at first I felt the same way. The utter betrayal made me ask God why was Jacob favored if he betrayed his own good brother? But then I see that Jacob and Rebecca did meet the consequences of their actions. Jacob was forced to leave his home and people(which is painful), and serve another man for 14 years. Rebecca had to live with the fact that she caused her son to flee and not see him or know of his where abouts for awhile and lives with the guilt of betraying her other son. Esau became a leader of his own people/tribe and prospered he met Jacob years later and forgave and embraced his brother. But aside from the morality aspect, we need to understand the state of humanity. Us humans at the time were worshiping demons masquerading as gods, and God needed to gather his people and correct the world and Jacob was predestined to be the nation. I believe it's a matter of fate, forgiveness and endurance.

[@mattweeeee]

Cane and Abel, Isaac and Ishmael, Esau and Jacob, Joseph and his brothers, even King David. In all those stories, the youngest was the chosen as the eldest was the "scapegoat" (Yom Kippur- thats why they pick two goats). "And the older will serve the younger. Esau was rough skinned because he represented "the wild rough part of us yet to be molded by Jesus" Jacob was smooth skinned because he represented the "intellect, reason and logic that is given to us when Christ works his wonders and smooths out our knots, bumps and imperfections" just like a true master carpenter.

[@nicholashernandez9804]

@@mattweeeee that makes sense, it explains why King David and Saul were referred too as really handsome.

[@mattweeeee]

Thats the way I percieve it. i can't stress that its just my opinion and i encourage everyone to take their own journey and study the word, i believe God has a unique way to reach out to us individually. The bible is an amazing "book" that reflects the heart of the reader. A perverse mind will percieve perverse scripture, a hateful mind will read hate, those who seek Gods truth will find Gods truth. I like to study the mathematics involved. "I say to you not SEVEN TIMES but SEVEN TIMES SEVENTY SEVEN."

[@raibshapatshepherdofberea]

Esau was created as the evil and the same evil spirit that was in the serpent in the garden is the same spirit that came in Cain and came in Esau

[@healthbar8439]

@@raibshapatshepherdofberea That is correct.

[@Trey_.z]

Esau is the white man

[@Trey_.z]

@ your in denial, Ik your upset that your Esau, but you just have to accept it, and get ready for slavery

[@ondabubble]

2 Esdras 6:9 “For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.”

[@cicada3312]

Why is Esau getting bullied?

[@jannethosborne3658]

Reading the holy bible it's very powerful you can read the all book and still don't understand what you you just read. What I find interested his taking one chapter at a time read it and study it before you move on to another chapter. I pray before I start and I asked God to give me knowledge and understanding. I asked the holy spirit to guide my pathway while I study and I fine it helps.

[@mikeBigboo35]

Read the book of Obadiah. Also, there's a reason why he use such words!

[@yeyamusic]

No one talk s about Esau. Love this!

[@championmode8415]

Oh… ppl talk about him look outside the church building for the real truth

[@melissad3390]

First time I read the story I also thought God was unfair. The second time I read the story and I knew a little bit more about the culture then I gained more insight. People had to ensure their crops and their farms would continue on, and this was basically their lives from generation to generation. Maybe there were other forms of workmanship like metal work and ceramic but we have to understand that the majority of the time these people ate what they grew. It was important to them to see their lineage continue. As children grew older they had to carry on the family's forms of sustenance which was basically farming, crops and animals. No college, no bigger future. The first born was a recipient of a type of contract. He held responsibility in that he was seen as a blessing, he was superior because he was older and this was supposed to mean wiser versus younger children. However responsibility entails greater effort. Imagine your father and mother schooling you about making the tough decisions about the crops and farming at a young age, to this they have already schooled you about the basics of course. Yet you have to somehow be responsible for the families' sustenance in case something happens to the head of the household just because you were born first. For this reason it was burdensome for Esau because it was something that he didn't choose or want. He didn't want the leadership, he didn't care about making these tough, life and death decisions, like whether to stay or leave a place. They would even have to know how to fight others, so Esau would have had to be a leader of men in that area. This goes to show he was lazy, he just wanted to do what was easiest or the most advantageous for him, not concerning if others had done much greater for him. Later on he becomes wealthy, but we don't know by what means (using integrity or not). In these old days Mom and Dad picked a wife for their children. Somehow he didn't care that the women he picked were burdensome for his mother. The Bible doesn't tell us what they did it just tells us Rebecca just about had it with these women. So Esau could eat, live and be in the same place as his parents but somehow he didn't care about how miserable, Rebecca, his mom felt about his wives. Here's where his logic failed. He really failed to honor his mother and father. He didn't care for the feelings and wishes of the person who took care of him since he was a child (mainly not bringing people to make her remaining days miserable). The Bible says you have to care not only for your father but your mother also. I can't imagine bringing a partner to live amongst my parents and who makes at least one of them miserable and being just fine with that. Leaves you wondering, what was this guy thinking? So Rebeca saw his actions and didn't see him fit for being the beholder of blessings, that probably came in her eyes, through carrying a bigger burden. I honestly don't blame her and I elaborate here: The bible does not say if she scolded him, if she really tried to teach him or if she just gave up easily. But we can infer that being his father's favorite he could have easily have gotten away from the scoldings a typical mother would do to align her child to do the right thing. It was almost like Rebeca's wants for her child to learn to not be so comfortable with things, for example, didn't matter in the face of Isaac's favoritism. Basically she could not teach him to be different because of Isaac' s favoritism for Esau. This gives us a lot of insight about parenthood, the perfect recipe to spoil your own seed. Isaac is the prime example ruining Esau by not teaching him to have character, to respect his mother's teachings, to love God first and foremost even if it's doing that requires greater effort. It also teaches about marriage, how there can be no division in teaching children to have integrity and to work hard. The father or mother can not undermine his or her partner's wants to teach something good (plainly loving God which means going the extra mile and working hard; accepting greater responsibility, of course seeking and maintaining peace and not wanting to kill a sibling like Esau did) for his children because in the future parents will pay the consequences for their actions. There is no backstory, but just thinking about it, it seems Isaac's favoritism played into Esau's uncontrolled emotions. She deemed her second son as more appropriate. Also if you read well, Jacob didn't want to listen to his mom and scheme against his brother. He even told her he could be cursed for such a thing. He did it either ways but we have to understand the degree to which a son or daughter was expected to listen to a parent. So especially since Jacob lived in his mother's household he pretty much did what she wanted. Because leaving the family's responsibility to your immature brother is a better decision than Jacob having the birth-right? Jacob had more understanding as to the importance of the birth-right. It's almost as he knew his brother didn't care for it, and we can tell Esau would have done badly with this responsibility. It's possible Esau would have sold his birth right to someone outside the family putting Rebecca and Isaac at risk perhaps as this new person would have come in with power to take decisions in their family. So it seems Jacob thought about the consequences of Esau selling his birth-right to someone outside the family. Maybe Jacob did the lentils thing, because come on, let someone outside the family come in and put his parents at risk? Make Rebecca feel more miserable? Lastly, I don't think his father's blessing would have done any good to Esau since he had already displayed such poor decision-making skills. Basically he already had the "losing my blessing" thing coming by making Rebecca , his mother feel miserable with the wives he brought in to live with her. God's wrath is really what would happen to someone who clearly does not care about the wellbeing of those around him, (selfish), one who acts foolishly and does not appreciate the work of others (ungrateful), and one who shuns and cares less about achieving more and carrying on greater responsibility (conformist, lazy). You just put these three together and see what happens. Picture this entitled lazy person this day, I don't think he or she would have God's backing. Maybe he could get men's backing but never God's.

[@josiecamilo7098]

Beautifuly said 💖

[@rubyscott4174]

God told Rebecca when she inquired to the Lord about her distrubing condition while pregnant. The Lord told her that she had two manners of people and two nations in her womb. The eldest would serve the youngest. Rebecca knew what God's plans were and carried out God's spoken Word.

[@lostlothbrok7156]

How ridiculous and unfair to have your destiny made for you, its heartbreaking to see a story where a person has no control of their end. It's almost pathetic, a man should always decide his fate

[@sadaurkar]

Esau made the choice to sell his birthright and marry foreign women though! God didn't make him do it.

[@lostlothbrok7156]

@@sadaurkar totally fair point

[@floppynwah8141]

This is one of those I can't help but question with biblical stories. Like how the God of Joshua needed humans to kill in its name. While the God of Moses didn't require man to kill the first born etc etc. Question everything even the very existence of God. For surly he prefers open question to blind subservience?

[@jayr399]

@Jayla but Esau was hated from the womb lmfao

[@jayr399]

@Jayla you’re projecting. You’re into lovey dovey and all that stuff in fact I fear God. I wasn’t mocking I’m merely saying what a lot of people have suspected. It is a possibility that he hates certain people and does play favorites and one must accept the reality

[@jayr399]

@Jayla you sound like one of those holier than thou people.

[@JCVC1986454]

So....... Is God okay with a person cheating and lying their way to receive an inheritance? This is confusing. Because Jacob was a total jerk, The lesson seems to really suck. Maybe im wrong, wouldnt be the first time.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Thus, Rebekah conceived and bore two sons - Esau, rough, hairy = winter; and Jacob, smooth = summer. The latter came forth clinging to the heels of his brother, as summer always comes forth, or follows upon the heels of winter. Rebekah, therefore, included both Sarai and Hagar.

[@Shiorevi]

Jacob is kind of a bad person, him being the protagonist like he's the in the right disturbs me.

[@BobbyBoucher634]

If God hates the man that had everything taken from him and still forgave his brother then I fear for my soul.

[@helloagain1400]

adultrated bible Read the Quran

[@cowpokejohnny3419]

@@helloagain1400 Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life and nobody comes to the father but through him

[@theeclectic2919]

@@helloagain1400 The Quran is an even MORE adulterated bible. These tales just got worse as time went on.

[@almister]

@@helloagain1400 but Islam came way after mate brand new religion

[@petersalinas805]

If y’all believe the biblical story of Esau and Jacob.. I am afraid y’all been duped Realistically…. Lmao THINKING realistically, do y’all believe that a hunter (Esau) really sold his birth right for some food ?? Lmao come on now … the man knew how to get food 🤣

[@STRENGTHFROMABOVE]

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[@joanne4christ2]

HALLELUJAH AMEN 🙏 🎉✝️🎉

[@STRENGTHFROMABOVE]

@Koszzy # Same to you

[@debracornwall6016]

I received in the name of Jesus

[@MATTHEWProvesJesusDidNotDieFor]

@@STRENGTHFROMABOVE 1OO%--Pure Contradiction For..God So loved the criminals that he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life (John 3 : 1 6) For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which He has done (Co|ossians 3 : 25)

[@anikadiamond007]

Yes, LORD! I receive this! GOD bless you! 🙌

[@patrickmarble3265]

This story confuses me, even when I was younger trying to imagine what it was like to be Esau. Also its weird to hear that God hated someone or even the fact it was preordained God to hate Esau is still something hard to think about

[@chadsevedra925]

Patrick , because most of what you heard are lies ; spoken by the Hamunites. They are the brethren of the line of Ham; ue; Nimrod

[@theorakgolela6255]

How could you preordain something you hate? Or even let it come to pass and experience it over again when its so displeasing to see the first time? I don't know. If there's a way around that logic, than there should be a full blown conversation about predestination.

[@patrickmarble3265]

@@theorakgolela6255 my thought exactly

[@Sagan144]

@@chadsevedra925 Who are the modern day Hamites?

[@judahscattered4corners757]

God Hated Esau because he sold his birthright that God blessed him with to his brother Jacob for a piece of meat. Basically throwing his blessing in Gods face. Esau was also a nasty spirit that God hated.

[@willyoung2347]

Stories like this make me doubt the notion of free will. I am troubled with my understanding of right and wrong. It seems it depends on how you look at it. I pray God opens my mind to understand before I die so I could praise Him without the fear of my ignorance.

[@nenepchildofthemosthigh4307]

Free will seems debatable. Saul didn't have free will, neither did Job. God can turn anyone's heart anyway he choices. Keep praying..

[@mtdew1900]

Have you not heard he who thinks that something is a sin put does it a sinners . even if it is not a sin . if you believe something is not a sin and you are doing it you are not a sinner if you truly believe it is not a sin . put don't be fooled into thanking our father in heaven doesn't know the difference on what you really believe.

[@willyoung2347]

@@mtdew1900 Please elaborate more, I don't understand.

[@mtdew1900]

@@willyoung2347 If you are doing something that you do believe is a sin even if it is you are not hold accountable until you find out that it is a sin. Put if you are doing something that you believe it is a sin even if it is not a sin you are sinning in your heart so it will be as though you are committing a sin.

[@willyoung2347]

@@mtdew1900 So in other words, if I'm doing something that I believe is wrong even though it is not wrong, it becomes wrong because I believed it to be so...right?

[@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213]

Esau gets f*ed over by his brother and his mother but still Esau is hated and the villain of this story just because he was hungry. And yall try to tell me that this is 'good' ?

[@theinquisitorisamage1653]

Right? I never got this - and I still can't wrap my head around it.

[@WorldWearyAngel]

i always found this story to be awful. Why would supposedly loving parents play such favorites? The father goes to give the blessings to his oldest child and the mom INTENTIONALLY STEALS IT FOR HER SECOND SON? What a horrible mom to do such a thing to her own son?

[@Abilliph]

The Hebrew bible is not really about celebrating flawless people... It's more about normal flawed people, learning throughout their lives to be better.. doing a lot of bad stuff along the way.. learning.. and asking for forgiveness. I think there is no character in the Hebrew bible who didn't make mistakes or made bad decisions.

[@martinmerkez2907]

@@Abilliph these people are more than flawed, downright frightening, wouldn't want to be associated with any of them except Esau, he seems alright

[@Abilliph]

@@martinmerkez2907 yeah.. in cases such as this, they are indeed very flawed. Favoring one of your kids still happens today, sadly. Also we must not forget that it is a different time, in which actions such as this might be considered almost normal (and it is FAR from the more flawed characters of the bible). IDK.. I like how the Hebrew bible shows people as they are... No matter their status. There is no one good king in the bible, they all did very nasty stuff. But I agree, those are not people I would want to be around.

[@serafinatruth4029]

@@martinmerkez2907 I agree

[@chitojr5241]

That's nothing compared to King David.

[@wedonotyield8577]

It's crazy that Jacob is the good guy after dishonor his father by bearing false witness to him. Kinda comes across like it worse to unconsciously sin, then intentionally sin. Odd

[@ruthdorius2831]

The story has always been difficult, but I take exception to your title. God did not hate Esau. He was unhappy with Esau's choices but blessed him in the end when he and Jacob were reconciled.

[@ironeagle918]

Jacob have I loved and esau do I hate - Romans 9:13!

[@MCClark]

@Wide Awake You should read (Psalm 5: 5) where God says that He HATES the sinner… God is capable of ALL things, for He IS the Creator of ALL things, even emotions… From where do you think our own emotions came from…? Understanding what Perfect Love and Perfect hate is; (Psalm 139: 22)… Then you may gain understanding of how God can Love and hate perfectly, for eternity… “I HATE them with PERFECT HATRED: I count them mine enemies…” This isn’t David speaking, this is the Almighty God and Creator of all Heavens, earth and and seas, and everything within them speaking…

[@MCClark]

@Wide Awake Oh, sorry to bother you; you’re one of “those” types… Enjoy your day… (Romans 1: 22) Smh

[@MCClark]

@Wide Awake No worries, I don’t even know what a BHI is, what’s that…? (B)ig (H)ead (I)ngrate …? Lol Whatever BHI is, I’m not that, I just Love studying the Bible and taking it seriously and literally… (Those parts that are literal anyway)… Like Christ isn’t a literal “door”, (John 10: 9)… I know He’s meaning that He IS the ONLY way to get to God, (John 14: 6)… And how do we enter into a room…? By a door… Hence He says anyone who comes tried to come in to God by any other way than Him, is a thief and robber, (John 10: 1)… Anyway, I Love God and His Scriptures and the way they all tie in with one another, each verse is relevant to the other… But, a (BHI?) I am not, my friend…

[@MCClark]

@Wide Awake Oh yeah, yeah I’ve heard of those guys before… They’re just as bad as the KKK for their hatred of white people… Claim that they’re based off the Word of God, yet, they mustve skipped over, forgotten and disregarded the verse of God’s Word that says, “Don’t hate the Edomite…” (Deuteronomy 23: 7) How can we Love our neighbours if we hate anyone…? Is that NOT one of the Commands of our Lord Christ Jesus unto His disciples…? (Matthew 22: 39; Romans 13: 9; James 2: 8 & Galatians 5: 14)… So, you know for a black person, which I am, what they say sounds really good, gives one a feeling of Hope almost, but, that lasts only for those who’d only know what Scripture actually says and understand it… And once I really listened to their message, naaawh, they’re truly of satan preaching a false doctrine of demons… And I’m sure some will resist and m out like what I just said, but if it does not line up exactly with what God has had written in Scripture, then, it’s a product of satan by default… Nope, I’m not BHI, I’m a simple disciple of our Lord Christ Jesus to my core…

[@KristinAlayna]

What confuses me is God's favor and goodwill toward one over another. Deception and manipulation are bad, so why was Jacob rewarded? Why and how was he was able to do this? What did Esau do to deserve this? It reminds me of Cain and Abel. Is God's grand master plan fair? We often say "life isn't fair" to come to terms with misfortune. But why? Why is life not fair? Why did God create humans on earth where the devil roamed freely? Seems like a conflict of interest. What is the true model of goodness? Is it attainable? What are the laws of Heaven? What are the rules that govern God's judgment and favor?

[@ris3reborn263]

God is good

[@user-iw5xr5ew3f]

Exactly my thoughts too!

[@marksingleton7199]

Adam and Eve continuing on the path of life. The symbolism is skewed by us today. Everything works in pairs of conflict on ever growing complexity. It looks like a mandlebrot set going deeper and deeper into the image. You get lost and dont know how to stop. I am reading Numbers at the moment. Its about the Tabernacle and the cloud over the tent. God comes down over the Tent and gives information. The cloud moves and the people go on a journey until the cloud stops and the tabernacle is is set up again. Trumpets are made to summon the elders to the tent etc. God gives information or truths via instructions. The people have to work the information by going on a mental journey until they accept the given concept and are ready for more. When they are ready the cloud stops and gives another lesson. This way the people spiritually evolve. We don't do that. We are individuals. We hold onto our belief structure because its easier. When you have a world war, the leaders want to go back to what gave them a good life. The people reject this. They fought for a better life. Adam and Eve could take from the trees in the garden. They could eat as much as they wanted from Gods food. This is eating God and learning. Now we eat from ourself because of the fall. Eve knew Adam so she fell into Adam and created a circular thought pattern like the mandlebrot set. Instead of taking God's energy and holding it to create our world. We need to let go. Eve is the window to God. Our higher awareness. She was one thought but is now in many peices as life spreads out. Our thought needs to think on her higher level and work up rather down in the world.

[@childofgod5817]

Roman chp 9 explains it , God shows favor and mercy on however he chooses and Paul say how unsearchable is God wisdom and understanding meaning it can't be understood why with our finite minds and He does whatever He wants

[@marksingleton7199]

@@childofgod5817 Thats why Esau gave up and accepted earthly food for his birth right. God is going to do what he is going to do so I might as well just go along for the ride. The quest is work things out. Adam will work by the sweat of his brow. He will have to think.

[@Joshuatree7746]

These people in the old testament were ruthless and "messed up". Yep, you are right. However, God purposefully chose the worthless people, the cast aways, the second born, etc b/c those are the ones that He choose to display his power and glory. If God chose the cream of the crop, the strongest, bravest, smartest, most capable then what part of these men's successful lives does God play a part of? These people will say "I DID IT. I DID IT ON MY OWN and with my own bare hands." However, God chose the least likely or "cast aways" and make them more than successful but divinely superior over all others to display His glory and power. Get it? With man, it is impossible. With God, all is possible.

[@Belovedselah]

Amen!

[@jayrome144]

This is a cautionary tale. This story has no heroes. It has enablers and abusers. This is simply a tale to caution young men against trusting women or their heirs. God does not trust us. We must prove to God that we can be gods.

[@wjbrooks19]

Gideon is also a good example of this.

[@MrTheclevercat]

That sounds really, really stupid. What do you think god "does" ?

[@MrRmann1234]

@@jayrome144 bizarre

[@QwertyCanada]

I like Esau more. He was the better of the two.

[@lellyzle]

He tricked his brother, tricked his father but he's the good guy in this story, how?! How can an unborn be condemned before he drew his first breath, how is that fair?

[@a2bmoving526]

Because it's coming from Paul....

[@lellyzle]

@@a2bmoving526 sorry I don't quite follow what is the "it" you're referring to

[@expand29]

I don't get it. Jacob ransomed his starving brothers birthright for a plate of food instead of feeding him as a loving brother should. He deceived his dying father for blessings that should not have gone to him. Then also placed his concubines and and their children ahead to face what he thought would be Esau's wrath. And he was the one that was blessed by God for doing these things? Very confusing. Now I know why the world is so wicked.

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

*QUESTION: Did Esau (i.e. Edom) sell his Brithight to his brother Jacob (i.e. Yisrael)?* *ANSWER: Yes, since he's not spiritual he hated & happily sold his Birthright & automatically forfeited the Abrahamic blessing too.* *QUESTION: Who are the descendants of Esau?* *ANSWER: The Caucasus mountains so-called Caucasians.*

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

*QUESTION: Did Jacob (i.e. Yisrael) purchased the Brithight from his brother Esau (i.e. Edom)?* *ANSWER: Yes, since he's spiritual he loved & happily brought the Birthright & automatically obtained the Abrahamic blessing too.* *QUESTION: Who are the descendants of Jacob?* *ANSWER: The descendants of 12 tribes or sons of Yisrael are posted in the 'about' section on my channel.*

[@josiecamilo7098]

Esau was lazy while his brother was a hard worker. Both brothers were innocent and guilty. The mom was the one to influence Jacob he obeyed her. He should have thought about his brother that was wrong but he obeyed his mother. Jacob did have to work hard for everything he had so the birthright was not completely free. He was the hard worker not his brother. In the end the brothers love won and Jacob shared what he had making things right. It shows good and love trump evil and hate. God gives but we need to always work as well. Both Eve and Esau traded their birthrights for food. Their flesh was more important than God's gift to them.

[@mrslavanderblu]

The saddest part of this story is how Rebecca had an integral part in causing division within her family. She tore it apart.

[@1619Mercy]

Maybe she did what Yahweh wanted and directed her to do?

[@PeterParker-gt3xl]

Similar to what Sarah did to the slave woman, a mother to Ishmael the father of great nations. Lot's two daughters deceived him after being used to "appease" the town people (and save his guests). Several examples in the Bible. He foreknows who will believe him (whom he loves) or who will not (whom he hates).

[@jonathanmichaelsii8965]

She listened to God.

[@mrivers8385]

You must be an Edomite😂

[@tanimowookusaga4856]

​@@1619MercyObviously. Not everything is written in the Bible.

[@ORCatheca]

So Easu got stolen from twice and then embraced his brother at the end but his people are the ones punished. That makes sense

[@J3rs3y_G1rl]

The lesson of this story is that NO ONE is innocent. Everyone is guilty of being wicked.

[@randomobserver8168]

What did Esau do that was "wicked" as opposed to say, foolish? His error was to not take his wicked brother seriously, perhaps trusting him as a brother.

[@tornay131]

All good or all evil. Sounds like all bullshit.

[@SynrsCreed]

@@randomobserver8168 and being born first. What a just God

[@AwkwardWhispers]

@@randomobserver8168 Esau raised a nation of people who turned away from God. God is extremely jealous. He wants to be the only thing that people worship. To God, idol worship is the most wicked thing a person can do.

[@shaunsteele8244]

@@randomobserver8168 he favored his flesh over his spiritual inheritance

[@blakek36]

I read this story and heard many sermons on this. Truthfully, I am very displeased with this deception and I have not yet comprehend how a people (nation) was being blessed from a lie. The only positive outcome from this was the two brothers reconciled. The off springs were more power driven like in today's time and crave violence. I see no justice.

[@frankdixon4112]

It was not deception as people incorrectly teach. He sold his birthright and esteemed it as noting so God made him live up to the vow he made with his brother. God did not make him sell the birthright, he had free will, but he had to live up to his vow. God gives birthrights so if you despise your birthright, you despise the one who gave you the birthright. Should God love someone that hates him? Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he [is] God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. 11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them. Genesis 25:32 And Esau said, Behold, I [am] at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright. Numbers 30:1 And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the children of Israel, saying, This [is] the thing which the LORD hath commanded. 2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. If you vow a vow to or before God, he will hold you to your vow. Ecclesiastes 5:4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for [he hath] no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. According to the scripture, Esau made a fool out of himself. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not calling him a fool, I pointed it out in the scripture. Peace in the mighty name of Jesus.

[@gabriellora8605]

There’s no lie in this story. This is what happens when you don’t read for yourself. The Lord visited Rebekah before her labor and told her what was predestined and happening within her. Rebekah was visited so she knew, issac was not not visited so he thought he was tricked (he was clueless). Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

[@judahscattered4corners757]

This is why opinions are so dangerous without facts and knowledge. You get answers based on emotions

[@frankdixon4112]

@@judahscattered4corners757 I agree with you 1,000,000%. God hates wickedness, PERIOD! Wickedness is an action, all sin is wickedness! Proverb 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. These people with their emotions continue to contradict the clear word of God. Malachi 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. 2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. People either pretend or are ignorant to the fact that God gets full too. The three shepherds: Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah, the last three kings to rule in Jerusalem. God said they hated him and he hated them back, no sugar coating. II Chronicle 36:15 And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place: 16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. I Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. As the scripture says heed the warning from other people’s mistakes, especially when it comes to God. Peace in the mighty name of Jesus.

[@boluwatifeadedeji9902]

@@gabriellora8605 do you think that if Rebecca and prayed to God, it could not have turned out the way it did? Like even for Judas his role had being predestined and people have argued that if the guilt didn't overcome him he probably would have continued to be a disciple.

[@maizen5267]

its like the story of the creation of angels and humans.. Angels created first and strong but they need to serve/guide and protect humans..thats why the others became jealous..thinking they were the first but why they need to serve the 2nd creation(humans)..but for humans, we cant do it to our children because we are not God..We need to love our children equal so that they will never feel jealous.. and if u are really a good person and u know ur brother/sister is jealous..u are willing to give so they will not feel jealous..and show them how much u love them..because not every humans have the same understanding/mindset thats why if u are blessed with understanding others, u need to use that blessing for those who cant understand what is goodness..and u will be the example so that they will learn what is true goodness.. because fighting ur brother/sister will never be good and right in the eyes of the true God.. and all of us here, even we have different race or religion we are all the same,we are family like brothers/sisters.. sorry for my english😅♥️✌️

[@donnalambs9578]

I only met a bunch of asshoke s

[@Remiball1221]

He really didn’t do anything wrong, he was tricked. Beyond my imagination, God knows

[@marfulghansah9780]

So Esau was made to be disliked by God?

[@faithdare1545]

@@well...456 Please that's very wrong. First of all, that's very inconsistent with God's nature. God's love is to all people. God wants all men to come to Him. It'll then be wrong if He then creates people that He'll eventually hate. Remember that God created Man in His own image. If He wanted to hate men, he'll have just created any kind of man. Also, God created man with a will, an ability to choose. Don't be deceived into thinking God makes men to hate them.

[@well...456]

@@faithdare1545 thank you. . . I appreciate having read this. I'm afraid I've allowed this self deception to corrupt my being in the past.

[@kellent709]

@@faithdare1545 btwgng.

[@thegoldenbowl5217]

@temi....he absolutely did something wrong...he sold his birthright (inheritance) for a pot of food...that is as what he did wrong...and God saw that and didn't like it

[@hdjksa52]

What is it that I take away from this biblical story: This family is highly dysfunctional. Siblings are tricking each other and their parents out of inheritance. My parents are bamboozling each other because of favoritism of their children. I have seen dysfunctionality in families before and this is exactly what it looks like. Only question I have is why did this family even get started if they were going to lie to each other like this?

[@j.chriswatson6847]

Because God ordained it to be.

[@andromedadelux]

@@j.chriswatson6847 yeah thats cap. That same god said he hates a liar. So why would he then not only reward a liar, but then hold that same liar to the highest position of human beings on the planet?!?!

[@j.chriswatson6847]

@@andromedadelux What is cap? Which liar are you referring to and what position are you referring to? As to the general question of why God would ordain that a liar be temporally elevated, the general answer is simple. First ALL men, save one, are liars and worse. So once we accept that ALL men are sinners of the worst sort and are EQUALLY deserving of damnation, then temporal position and prestige ultimately means nothing because ALL men will EQUALLY prostate themselves is fear and shame before the majesty of the God Head. The best works of the best men are corrupt and soiled in God's eyes. That said, the glorification of God is man's purpose so if men who other men see as utterly corrupt and and evil can have their evil beget good, then it glorifies a God who works all things to HIS good purpose. Some examples would be as follows- Stalin and Hitler were two of the most depraved reprobate in the history of Creation. Yet their war against each other weakened Hitler enough that the Allies were able to utterly defeat the Nazis. The persecution of the early church led to its explosive expansion in the first 150 years. The utter evil repression of the communist Chinese would indicate that the church would be in decline in China but the church is actually growing fastest there. God's glory will not be thwarted. Christ said that if all men would stand silent concerning Him, that even the rocks themselves would would shout out in worshipful praise. So, in the end God ordain that even sin can work to His purpose and that He is sovereign over all.

[@andromedadelux]

@@j.chriswatson6847 Temporarily my ass, FULL STOP! That same liar and all of his descendants weren't temporarily anything in this story. They were PERMANENTLY EXALTED. To the tune of "oh....yeah these are gods, CHOSEN" people by birth and ethnicity. Forever. They got an entire sect of religion. An entire section of the planet. The right to go to heaven...just cause. And the right to say any other group of people that need to be in the presence of god be gatekept by them permanently. God said himself he is incapable of sin, yet here we are in this story and several old testament stories witnessing him sin outright! My guy...I don't know what deity is writing the words on those pages specifically. But I can assure you, that is not a perfect nor pure, nor omnipotent being. That same being, in all of its "perfection" did not keep to its word a SINGLE TIME! Everything that it said it was, and said it was incapable of doing, it did, MULTIPLE TIMES. Also not long before this story, attempted to wipe out all living things on the entire planet except for 1 family, yet....for some reason skipped all human beings outside of that area since the olmecs and other aboriginals didn't get touched at all. Again I dunno what deity is actually being worshipped in this story, but I can surely tell you, whatever being that is, looks more related to the devil than god. Could it mean the great deception? I mean...you got people all over this planet all throughout the history of that old testament and present day, doing unbelievable atrocities in the name of "god". And all of those same people believe their acts are justified because "god" said it was ok, YET NEVER JUMPS IN TO DO IT HIMSELF! Thats exactly the same energy the devil has in those stories. Always influencing people to do cracked things, but never putting his full hand in the cookie jar to do it himself.

[@juny9445]

Because of plot

[@chayden8948]

Idfc how you guys try to interpret different meanings and try to spin this story cuz in my eyes, Esau was wronged. God favoured the man who tricked his dying brother, schemed with his mum and ticked his father into giving his will, like im sorry WHAT?? Esau did nothing to deserve any hate or I'll treatment. No wonder his nation Edom were pagan worshippers.

[@co9971]

seems like Jacob is manipulative.

[@joshrichards9121]

I just noticed how Jacob described seeing Esau like seeing God. Then by grace, Esau forgives and reconciles with Jacob.

[@tahahagar7664]

This shows Esau was a good man and God wouldnt hate him, it also shows how the Bible is the word of men and not the inspired word of God

[@joshrichards9121]

In context, in saying God loved Jacob but hated Esau, it is not a matter of God hating anyone. It is God choosing Jacob and his descendants and rejecting Esau and his descendants. Esau sold his inheritance and his descendants would go on to aid Israel’s enemies in attacking them. Esau may have been a good man. Jacob also had his bad qualities. The difference is that one was open to following God and was chosen, while the other was not. Not all of Jacob’s descendants were good people and brought on the wrath of God as a result of their turning away from Him. The Bible is connected in such a way that no man or men could have inspired it. The prophecies alone set it apart from all other works of man. It truly is the Word of God.

[@livewireOrourke]

@@joshrichards9121 Thank you for clearing that up. So many other people don't give it a second thought before trashing the Bible.

[@GabrielXDrums]

@@tahahagar7664oh then please say what IS the word of God 😂 nothing I’ll tell you that since he hasn’t spoken or revealed himself for the past 2000 fucking years 😂😂😂 foolish shit, the 70k dead Gazans are rolling in their graves.

[@kerriwilson7732]

Esau believed his birth right was inevitable, and "sold" it for a transitory advantage. Jacob desired his father's blessing more than ANY thing, and won it. It is a reminder to pursue God's will above ALL things, and He will reward us (even though we don't deserve it, and have no right to demand it).

[@Sam-fp8zm]

thanks

[@willyoung2347]

Well said, I get that. Thank you.

[@silentedict4256]

That makes a LOT of sense.

[@ndodazondo6187]

And also have mother who is a cheat on your side.

[@thegoldenbowl5217]

@kerri very well said

[@2KMMC2]

Is jacob not wicked in his ways for asking for esau’s birthrights using his hunger against him. What about how his own mother and brother took away what his dad was trying to give esau

[@rikishadeloney5318]

No on said Jacob was right but this was THE MOST HIGH YAH'S PLAN. And guess what we must accept that.

[@stevenbackus3778]

Who are the descendants of the hated son today??

[@lionblood1268]

@@stevenbackus3778 the group of people who control the world

[@stevenbackus3778]

@@lionblood1268 white people

[@stevenbackus3778]

@@jsquad55155 I hate nor harm anyone but what I will do with my last breath is speak "THUS SAYETH THE LORD" as it's written now let's see who God says is red (Genesis 25:23-26)(Leviticus 13:30) (Numbers 12:10)(proverbs 3:33) (Isaiah 34:5-6)(Habakkuk 2:5) (Romans 9:13) Nice try tho

[@NikkiJayArtistry]

Jacob-modern day African Americans, Esau- modern day Caucasians

[@vvv5892]

damn thats crazy, i wonder why god has not preferd you over us for his tasks like in the torah it says he will do for his chosen people?

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

*Romans* 9:13 *As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.*

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

*2 Esdras 6:9 For Esau is THE END OF THE WORLD & Jacob is the beginning of it that follow.*

[@vvv5892]

@@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite intresting that a jew would quote the christian bible and the words of the catholic church no??

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

@@vvv5892 *The Hebrew Yisraelite scriptures are only for the 12 tribes or sons of Yisrael & the descendants of the 12 tribes.*

[@haroldmcbroom7807]

One question I always had concerning this incident, is that the Bible says if someone is hungry to feed them, so the only reason I can think of why Jacob would ask Esau for his "birthright" in exchange for something to eat is that perhaps God was working through Jacob, but it couldn't have been a test to see whether or not Esau "would" sell his birthright, because God already knew that Esau would sell it. It doesn't make sense that if your brother asks you for something to eat, that you ask him for all that he has, when God's Word says to feed those that are hungry. Why would Jacob ask for something in return? If Esau was such a good hunter why was he asking Jacob for food to begin with? What would have happened if Jacob would have given his brother something to eat without asking for anything in return, I guess we'll never know. Also, Esau was considered lazy, but that doesn't add up, because it takes a lot of "work" to be a skilled "hunter", but Jacob liked to stay at home. These days it's the opposite that if you stay at home, they call you lazy.

[@allismama]

I think you are thinking into it to much. But but perhaps even though Esau was a hunter maybe Jacob prepared but if you remember in the first part of when he took his birth rights it said esau was out hunting and didn't find anything. And just because Jacob did this to his brother yes God knows All but you can't read into things it was part of what happened in Jacob's life.

[@stevelamperta865]

That's not true at all ! It doesn't take any work to be a skilled hunter ! I know this for a fact because I have hunted my entire life and found it to be very easy !

[@haroldmcbroom7807]

@@stevelamperta865 *Quote:* _"I have hunted my entire life and found it to be very easy !"_ Maybe that's why it's easy for YOU, maybe it was easy for Esau, either way it's all speculation, except for what God's Word actually provides us. Does God's Word actually "say" that Esau was lazy? Hunting is certainly not easy for me, in fact, a deer would probably have me for dinner.

[@Morris1974]

@@stevelamperta865 you found hunting easy in the 21st century. Were you hunting with a high powered rifle with a magnified scope or did you use primitive spears and or bow and arrows?

[@marksingleton7199]

This is a more complex variant on Adam and Eve. Its about how our mind evolves and how life evolves as a structure. Symbolism. We are born with a body from our parents and a soul from our spiritual parents. Twins. Everthing is in packages of two. Two represents conflict of thought. Spiritual and physical. Esua is the body with earthly thought. Jacob is higher thought. He stays at home and thinks a lot. He is often with the women who will represent Eve. Eve is cursed by the snake remember. Esau wants to eat earthly food. Its lazy because he should be thinking about spiritual food. Jacob wants his power to rule over him. Esau says what ever is easiest. Now that higher thought has the birth right it gets frightened and runs away. The idea tasted good but the after affect was sour to the stomach. Eve took on Gods knowledge but it frightened her and she hid from God and ruled Adam. Adam gets lost in his own thought and creates what we see today. The soul has to learn from experience and guide the bodies mind while connected to Gods thought. Jacob has not learnt enough yet so goes into the wilderness like Moses. He wrestles with his mind and gives up running. He stands before God and crosses the river to rejoin his brother. Body and soul united.

[@corn8468]

People really up here saying TMH doesn't hate. When it clearly says he does.

[@Dreku22]

To hate evil is righteous

[@andromedadelux]

Theres holes all over this story. Why would god, who so vehemently goes against liars, let Rebecca, a blatant liar, coax her son into deceiving his own father in order to get his father inheritance? Also, why the hell would that same god then side with the same liar 3 times in a row after his brother forgave him and then condemn the only honest brothers descendants. Also this entire story falls apart, after the brothers descendants separate, where "God" or whoever this made up narrative at this point of the story is coming from, then goes to condemn Esau again, long after he's already dead, and his descendants and their armies are in control. So one of two things happened. Either someone decided to fudge these texts, and remove an entire section of interaction between the two brothers after they separated into their final homes proving an entire sect of religion as worshipping a false god and or a false house of god. Or "God" not only sides with liars, but rewards them and his word about hating a liar is absolutely false meaning none of you are worshipping god, but instead some form of spirit that uplifts deceitful entities, IE Satan. Either way, in this story, someone is being EXTREMELY deceptive.

[@jeremias-serus]

I say this as someone who is unreligious, you must've failed highschool English to not have seen the theme going on here. It's about faith, true faith, faith that is blindly unshakeable. Esau gave away his birthright out of lack of faith, God does not like the faithless (take this as you may), thus he favored Jacob. Anything else is besides the point. And to be fair, this is not bad story writing--many make stories that are popular like this nowadays. You need to be able to find the theme line, everything else is irrelevant fluff.

[@andromedadelux]

@@jeremias-serus Oooor, its just a bad plot with nonsensical character ethics.

[@blyysm]

@@andromedadelux or its just smart on another level.. you never know,,,,

[@iceberg1229]

ESAU DID NOTHING WRONG

[@Vincente_Guerrero]

God hated him for a good reason

[@DreamersOfDreams]

Instead of being insulted thinking you're not called or chosen, humble yourself before Christ, acknowledge your deeds have been worthless and ask to be made a new creature in Him so that you may be grafted in not as a dog, but as a new Man/Woman of great faith. Knock while you still can.

[@defcon1africa676]

Wise words 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@willyoung2347]

Thank you for that, I assure you my faith rest in the works done by Christ. Must comfort in Romans ch 10 vs 09,10

[@charlesstegman2148]

You are all being lied to.

[@bandolierboy1908]

@@charlesstegman2148 how?

[@charlesstegman2148]

@@bandolierboy1908 How? People have been using gods and books to control people. Did you ever stop and wonder if all that was said is completely false? Most likely no because religions teaches people to have faith. Every doubt thought of man, religion magically has a fix for it.

[@samyoungblood3740]

What’s insane about this story is Esau’s brother was the one who was wronged! He done all he was told as a boy even tho his mother favored his lazy brother? His Brother lied an deceived their father for gods blessing, as well as took many wives. It makes it difficult to understand Gods wrath upon some and gives favor to others. Even when Jacob returned his brother had forgiven him. So please explain how this is how God expected things to turn out? Had both children been raised with equal love and equal blessings, equally being taught Gods ways. Would there have been the same turn out? What happened in the second half contradicts the first so it is confusing to me.

[@jesuscanplayguitar1214]

It’s definitely a puzzling story, but I see it as, esau was carefree and didn’t take God seriously, and swore to God that he would sell his birthright to Jacob. (It’s clear he didn’t take his birthright seriously since he traded it for a bowl of soup) Since Jacob now has the birthright of esau, he is technically the first son, and gets the blessing of Isaac. It’s messy, not everyone in the story understands what’s going on (in fact, it seems only Rebecca knows since she was told what must come to pass) God in his wisdom simply knew this would happen, and told their mother before their birth what would come to pass. Not to mention, the stories in the Bible all serve a purpose, and each character in the stories are there for a reason. Jacob became Israel after all, and Jesus came from this very lineage. The motif of the older firstborn or elect that is fit to do God’s will, and chooses not to, (therefore the younger, weaker, yet faithful offspring gets the inheritance and the favor) is echoed many times in the Bible. For example, when Jesus speaks of the wedding feast, how they invited all the esteemed guests, but not one of them showed up, so they brought in the poor and the sick and the homeless to enjoy the feast. To me, it feels like all the Bible stories in some way point to Jesus

[@thegoldenbowl5217]

Esau was the first born...usually the first born male who opens the womb is according to God meant to be blessed...that's just how it works...Esau had his inertance (birthright) set due to his birth order...an inheritance and a blessing comes from God...Esau chose to give it away or SELL it to his brother who saw its value...Esau didn't regard it highly...that about Esau displeased God...when God gives you a gift you're supposed to cherish and appreciate it...if you don't God can take your gift away and give it to someone that DOES appreciate it...that's what happened here in this case...Esau didn't think highly of God's gift...but Jacob, the second born did

[@GabrielXDrums]

@@jesuscanplayguitar1214well they don’t 😂 you’re all delusional. N Jesus is dead. Sooooo

[@merg1011]

If God hated Esau I am feeling like he can not love me. This is very scary.

[@jayr399]

This. He has favorites.

[@shaunsteele8244]

@@jayr399 yes, God does have favorites... like Abel over Cain. Instead of worrying where you rank, why not focus on serving God so that you'll be favored by Him?

[@jayr399]

@@shaunsteele8244 bro…gonna need you to read what u replied to me back again…and understand the delusion

[@jayr399]

@@shaunsteele8244 you will never be favored. It’s already set in stone

[@shaunsteele8244]

@@jayr399 then don't worry about it. Serve God anyway

[@killzone014]

I guess I’d consider myself an atheist somewhat but leave people be if they want to worship god. Esau is a sad tale of being betrayed by his family and god for only existing as I see it, he was happy with his family and he listened and took care of them well as a breadwinner of the family. And after his own mother tricked Jacob into betraying his brother as a result not receiving the blessing that belonged to Esau from their father, of course he was upset and angry because of that…his own family betrayed him at least his brother Jacob and his mother did…the father also got betrayed by those two as well. And after all that…he brought an army of 400 and welcomed his brother with open arms, kisses, and even offered to protect Jacob along with his family and the animals from anything that would hurt them, Jacob was given a second chance to properly rekindle the bond within brother. Jacob was then the coward for not coming to Esau’s home as a respected guest even after he built shelter for his people and his animals, and god punished him…because I guess after getting betrayed by his family and by god for just being a normal person trying to be faithful and help keep his family alive, his reward is betrayal and loss of faith. And he along with Jacob are not responsible for the selfish and wrathful acts of their children. Unless the video here didn’t give all the proper details on this story Esau is a good person.

[@nunya3097]

I hope God knows this. If God know everything, then why would God hate Easu?

[@chelee9261]

The mother is so manipulative with her sons.

[@devanmcclinton9438]

Imagine looking at the character's as bloodlines instead of actual people and the bible makes a lot more sense.

[@elijahhernandez906]

Bloodlines are stronger than individual people?

[@stevenbackus3778]

Bloodlines are ethnicities found in Genesis 10 everyone on the planet descends from a biblical man with that said what is your God given ethnicity it's impossible to understand the bible if you don't know who you are in it

[@ason8638]

Esau was a white man 👀

[@stevenbackus3778]

@@ason8638 I'm leaning towards agreement with you but can u prove it?

[@ason8638]

@@stevenbackus3778 yes, but you’ll have to give me a few minutes

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

Esau is definitely bigger man than me. were I in his shoes, those 400 men would have fallen onto his family like the sword of Cain and not even the animals would be spared.

[@Justsomeguy82]

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. James 1:5‭-‬8

[@willyoung2347]

Yes, my brother. Christ said any two of you in my name I would be in the mids of you. For this is the true Church. I put my comments out there hoping by means of the Holy Spirit thru my brothers and sister they would render me understanding. So Thank you.

[@Eric-pu7lp]

Amen

[@pukkapadilla4494]

The only "thing" that YAHWEH Hates is disobedience to HIM [Contextually]

[@chiadi9713]

It’s a lot of victim blaming, favoritism and treachery in this story. For starters, the mother creates a toxic household by favoring her younger son over the older one. To the extent that she coaches her younger son to scam his brother. I also think it’s backwards how God Favored Jacob after all of that.

[@Iron-Bridge]

Exactly.

[@itstriplem2069]

God already before this all happened said to Rebecca, "one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger” (Genesis 25:23) These people are the ones who did the bad things, Rebecca for scheming, Jacob for deception, and Esau for leading an army against his brother. God often throughout the bible chooses the weak, younger or second-born, and outcasted to show his glory and greatness, showing all the power is his.

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@itstriplem2069 Then free will doesn’t exist lmao

[@lionheart4109]

@@calebreynolds9183 Rebecca could have chosen not to lead Jacob into the deception of his father; Esau could have chosen thinking before acting and living a righteous life; Jacob was able to give food to his brother when he needed it, without asking for his birthright. Instead, every one of them made their own decisions, good or bad, and those lead to a chain of events that fulfilled what God predicted.

[@vikingkirk762]

@@itstriplem2069 Tell that to my whiny sister, THE FAVORITE of my family ... the eldest ALWAYS GETS THE SHAFT!!!

[@LeixWUxLong]

The Israelites were not of Caucasian color, sorry to say.

[@LeixWUxLong]

@Open-Minded Skeptic Yepp. There are multiple hadiths from prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that refered to Moses as dark brown skin, being even more semitic than the Ishmaelites. There are also some references in the Torah that refer to the Israelites are dark brown skin. And we know that the Israelites nation are determined hereditary (by their pedigree of their house of their father). One tribe that I know for certain are bani'Israel are the Pakthans. You know the shepherds in afghanistan that not the Mongols, nor the Soviet Russians, Nor the British empire, nor the American state could defeat.

[@ILLGCF]

Ok, thank you for that discouraging message, God may actually hate me, explains a lot. Thank you.

[@thetrueking6137]

I will never understand why god has everything the way it is. I prayed a lot, read majority of the Bible and spoke to countless pastors and the more I learn about the Bible and Jesus the more man made it sounds. Stories like god making a deal with the devil allowing him to kill job’s entire family just to prove a point, Noah’s ark, and even the story about Adam and Eve. It’s more than “it doesn’t make sense to me because I’m just human and can’t understand god” its just so unnecessary the way he established reality. Punish all of humanity even though he knew the devil would tempt eve into eating the apple?? God knows literally everything because he’s all knowing and all powerful, it’s so counterintuitive🤦🏽‍♂️ on top of that you can’t even question anything god says or does because apparently that’s a sin too. I want to believe in the Bible and have the comfort knowing theirs a for sure afterlife but I’ve prayed so many times and never got a “answer” from god. Most Christians I talk to assume I never read the Bible, didn’t believe god enough, or didn’t pray. It shouldn’t be so hard to communicate with god especially when he knows you need him in your life and desperately just want some conformation he exists other than a printed out book. I learned that most Christians also give up on people that ask a lot of dire questions that they simply cannot answer and get upset or think I’m gonna be dammed because I won’t blindly follow a religion that just doesn’t make sense to me. And it’s not even like I can’t just casually believe in other religions because if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you’ll burn in hell which Is the definition of ruling thru fear. The Bible really gives off poor man’s religion vibes and even makes god seem like a petty tyrant. With just a thought he could stop all sin in the world and make everything all sunshine and rainbows but no he just had to flood the earth and now he’s gonna set the world on fire and then he’ll make humans live in eternal peace and happiness. All this pain and suffering for what? We seem more like helpless puppets than actual children to the lord. I desperately want god to be real but I don’t want to love him out of fear like most Christian’s, I want to love him off of not only knowing that he created me but also because he rewards good people and is a fair god. Hopefully someone reads this and give me a real answer or sum genuine non generic advice because alot of ppl feel the way I do not because we choose to not accept god into our lives but because we’ve been given no actual proof other than a book. (And yes if gods real then obviously it’s more than just a book but that’s just how people who haven’t had god communicate with them or who simply just don’t believe in god feel)

[@charlanpennington3989]

The true King, The quickest proof comes when you are attacked or just threatened by recognizing a demonic presence is in your home to attack you. Praising Go d or Je sus clears them and protects you by 20 seconds. It certainly makes me feel joyful to recognize a lifetime of protection. Also most of us have recognized some of the times our lives have been saved supernaturally, like accidents. In the first incident above my dogs were ferociously barking at something in the living room, previously they've only raised hackles and pointed at entities, I went in, it was invisible but could be felt a little, I started praising AHAIYA and ASIYA, getting so excited as I recognized how much I am protected and coddled, I felt full of love so praised for awhile. The dogs were curled up napping at 20 seconds. PS. The praise burns those things, use your power, AND if you don't know already say "I command by the blood of Jes us , your prayer". Write a short list and daily pray for a month, anything that would be God's will. Keep track what is answered. Relationships improved, people saved, your rebellion reversed, anything you want. Rebellion against reading scripture may take 2 or 3 months, for many of us, that is reversed by doing it anyway and the sat an gives up when it doesn't work.

[@nenepchildofthemosthigh4307]

I understand how you feel, however even in the Bible its mainly about faith. Abraham had to trust God in order to get his blessings. God wants us to believe, God doesn't want us to fear him like he's gonna do something terrible to us, the fear he wants is respect and love from us.. Where only humans we cannot even comprehend God or the spiritual realm, because we believe what we see and if we cannot see it, it's not real we always want proof of something to be real. I believe God gives us confirmation, but we truly have to believe he's gonna give it to you, yeah easier said than done. I know God exist because a few years ago he made the impossible, possible for my family, and I am believing he will do it again for us... But keep seeking God, keep asking him questions. Do you mediate? After you pray or ask questions try to listen for God to answer. He speaks. A few weeks ago I was downstairs cooking and I heard a small voice tell me Don't give up, it was right in my ear and no one else was around. I thought it was my fone but when I rewinded what I was watching it didn't say anything it was just music.. You will get your answers.

[@srthomas65]

I admire your honesty and vulnerability. Those are two character traits that are far too rare today. I have been on a similar spiritual journey but I've come to find that you don't have to "believe" in God you can actually know "Him" and more importantly, that He KNOWS you. As an intellectual myself, I have wrestled with similar questions. But one thing that I always try to remember is that God has shown me miracles that I cannot deny. But the one advice I would give you is to ask for wisdom like Solomon had and do so with an honest heart. Now I will warn you that that is a very hefty gift and that qualifies for verse "to whom much is given much is required." But to try to narrow it down to more of the precise issue of the perception of a mean dictator versus a loving Father, I believe the answer is hidden in the character of Yahweh. It's a study that will take you months but it is worth the journey. It will also take solace. World is trying to distract you from anything spiritual to everything material. Simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication. You seem like a very intelligent person, I would guess you're naturally complicated in terms of personality. I'm not saying that's a bad thing it could just mean you're highly gifted. But the one thing you don't want to do is downplay people of a very simple faith. Obedience is God's love language. But you can learn from them is how to approach the Father and what they could learn from you is how to think deeper and avoid deception. Think of it like this. We all have to connect the heart and the Brain but that is often the hardest journey to go on. The problem is by default, we all tend to think with one of those organs when in reality we have to learn how to use both simultaneously. Here's some quick ideas that may help in communicating with God. 1. Don't fall in the trap of religion. Understand where you are on the pendulum where on the extremes are the Sadducees and Pharisees, two groups of people Christ did not like. Life is a constant recalibration process to make sure we don't go to those extremes because the truth often is right in the middle. At the cross, if you will. 2. Unplug and go out in nature. God's vibration radiates there because what is natural is of God and life is abundant in nature. 3. Ask these hard questions to God with an honest heart and ask for wisdom. Here are two questions I wrestled with myself. 1. If a creator destroys his creation does that make him evil? 2. Is there a moral difference between God, the Creator, destroying someone or something versus His creation destroying each other? I ended up answering those questions "no" and "yes" in that order. I'll let the Holy Spirit leads you to how I came up with those answers that would be a whole another book to go into lol. 4. Fast with praying. Fasting especially. And when you pray be brutally honest and not like the Pharisees who use repetitive language. Speak to the Father as if He were already a loved one, trust me, no matter how deep the hurt or how angry you are He can handle it. 5. When Jesus said he wanted us all to be "one" with the Father, he's talking in a spiritual relationship kind of way. It's a renewing of your mind in a transformation of your heart. The church would call this being "born again" or "dying to one's self." Christ lived in perfect thought, action and will of The Father. He was able to do this through the gift of the Holy Spirit. Which is both characteristic of God, who is Spirit, and the gift He gives us at baptism that allows us to have a spiritual mindset versus being dominated by the carnal mind. 6. One thing we all have to do at some point is admit that we can't fully comprehend God simply because He is beyond time, space and matter or our world. But that is also a very beautiful thing because it provides a lifetime of intimacy through seeking the answers to the questions like you're asking. You are on the right path. It's like Jesus said, to enter the kingdom of heaven you must become like a child (notice he doesn't say be childish). Children naturally ask a lot of questions. But unlike our human parents, our Heavenly Father wants us to bring those questions to Him. But love language goes two ways and the Father has given you his upfront; obedience. But He doesn't expect you to "blindly believe" or to have "blind faith." He put His evidence in creation all around us and the moral truth (also known as natural law), His 10 commandments, are what sold me on Christianity when I realized that if the world all agreed to live by these standards it wouldn't be paradise but it would be close. But to "see" you need spiritual eyes that are opened with the help of the Holy Spirit. The hard part for all of us is to surrender the pride I'm not wanting to be the God of our own lives. I hope that helps. Those are just some quick thoughts God put on my heart to share with you. Thank you for being so honest it is a beautiful character trait I wish more people would adopt. God bless you on your spiritual journey!

[@joshspruill4162]

The best way to decribe it is, We are all playing a role in The Most High's movie, we are the actors he's the Director, the reason you are so convoluted is because the Christian church lied to you on how God operates. They teach he's all love and Knows no evil, but the bible says he creates good and evil [ Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: 👉🏿I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.👈🏿]. The best thing to do is to forget what you were taught by the church, and read the bible for yourself. And remember "let God be true and every man a liar" -Romans 3:4. So if someone tells you God dosen't do this or that, and the bible says he dose, it's not the bible that's wrong its them.

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

The answer is tucked away in everything you just posted here: you assume ppl do nothing to warrant punishment, and that God is some sort of vindictive monster. God is among other things, a Judge, and being a Judge requires Him to punish ppl for violating His commandments.

[@maissthro3645]

So... lie and trickery is not sin because it was according to "god's will"? No wonder murder falls into that too.

[@derekgunter9288]

To certain people in the comment section..You seem to wanta question Gods mentally of wrong and right..fair or unfair ... First off,God dont think like us.. Second,He dont owe us explanation of why he do the things he does.... PERIOD.. What you should focus on is how to please him...and that is to follow his commandments,statues and laws.... Period

[@loremipsum3625]

Esau forgave Jacob tho

[@TheTrueNehme]

Why is the old testament so fucked up, I've pondered this my whole life from a very early age. Even then I saw god's actions as childish and more often than not, completely heartless.

[@davidjones9662]

from how i understand it esau was an easygoing nice guy that his family screwed over at every turn but for some reason jacob was his duplicitous mothers golden child who could do no wrong despite being a religious shitheell

[@john-adamperreault6391]

Although Esau was a fool who did not regard his spiritual direction and was foolish with his decernment both men had wickedness, and God shows us with these two men how important it is to take God's direction seriously in life and live by wisdom, and to not gain blessing by lies and deceitful intentions It does much damage to ourselves and to others and even if we receive by lies it does not do good but causes division and hatred. God gives us many lessons to learn from them both, from both men's wickedness and what integrity is to be learned from both men a story of hatred and loss deceitful gain and division and forgiveness of brother's. Much lessons for us all

[@stevenbackus3778]

Malachi 1:2-4/Isaiah 63:1-6

[@clarenceperry5879]

Romans chapter 9 verses 9-16

[@stevenbackus3778]

@@clarenceperry5879 (Romans 9:10-15,20-23) God created them to bring glory n fear to his name which will be accomplished when he destroys them for all to see just like he did with pharaoh they indeed were created to be destroyed (Romans 9:10-15,20-23)

[@danaekberg781]

When hunting, You could be gone for days without food or water, he didn’t trade his birthright arbitrarily, he did it on the presumption of starving. I’d hardly call that foolish.

[@well...456]

@@danaekberg781 he played himself

[@jerryhenry1485]

I’m sorry if I misunderstand this. Can someone please explain how Jacob isn’t in the wrong. He manipulated and stole from his brother but Esau is the one god hated. If I’m missing something I’m sorry. I really am trying to understand

[@andromedadelux]

Someone could probably explain it with a bunch of mental gymnastics like politicians do. But uhhh from a normal persons perspective, whatever god is in this story is cooked.

[@Maharan169]

Esau married 2 women that were from different tribe "cainite" this is a big no no. The thing he is not telling you is that Esau married a third woman from his own people called Malhaleuath. The name means forgiveness. Lesson is to marry your own people.

[@RipBabie]

Esau = White Man Jacob = Black Man 👍🏾😍 All Praise The Most High Of Israel

[@RipBabie]

@VenomWater You Mad..... God Don't Like You 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RipBabie]

@VenomWater The Most High Gona Punish You For Everything You Do To Black People... Enjoy It While You Can 😉

[@verenatuna9010]

Serious? It is that easy?😂 How could they have been twins, if one was black, the other white??

[@verenatuna9010]

Black man is wether Jacob, nor Edom. They are descendants from Ham, nothing else

[@joelmax2603]

Everybody misses this fact!!! The reason that Jacob get the inheritance blessing instead of Esau is because Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of stew. God had a great plan for Esau but because Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, now Jacob is the father of Israelites. God indeed was disappointed in Esau but if God really hated Esau then why would he be blessed. If God hates someone then they would be wiped from the face of the earth. Esau was blessed and still lived a wealthy life.

[@noctuamagna6724]

"Esau, the man God hated" Sounds like my situation.

[@omortinepeters5997]

@Noctua Magna God does not hate you. He loves you. Sorry if you're going through some difficulties

[@RspproductionzFaze]

@@omortinepeters5997 Then why he says he hates white people

[@christinerowlands1613]

So if he wanted to kill his brother, I wonder how he would feel if he ever learnt that it was his mother that was behind all of Jacobs scheming. Rebecca is actually Jacob is what I'm getting from this story.

[@tormmac]

jaccob was the dick who wouldnt just give his dying brother some stew, this story is whack

[@kevinclint7588]

WITHOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,…………. THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD,…………YOU WILL NEVER EVER 🐝 FREE FROM THIS BONDAGE,…………PRAISE HIS PERFECT PRECIOUS HOLY AND WONDERFULL NAME,…………. AMEN TO THAT

[@strongbelieveroftheholybible]

Amen 🙏🏼

[@Jesus_Savess]

Amen 🙌🏽

[@daydreamer4407]

I think God hated Easu because he was willing to give up and didn't value his birthright. A birthright carries weight spiritually and physically. Easu was willing to trade all that for a bowl of stew and that is a huge insult unto God. Jacob knew the significance of it that's why he got it( yes it wasn't in the right way),This is why Jacob had to wrestle with THE Angel of the Lord and for God to change his name from Jacob to Israel.and he did get punished for it. This spiritually transformation made him worthy to carry that birthright which lead his lineage all the way to Jesus. Easu was a nice person and favoured by his father physically, he didn't get the revelation and that was his shortcoming.

[@shootits48]

I was confused, It seemed like Jacob was undermining Esau from the very beginning, which makes Jacob evil but i guess the hatred for Esau was because he had no reverence for God and his blessings.

[@lilyflower5576]

*flashbacks to Black Hebrew Israelites screaming Esau at every white person who walks by* 😂😂😂

[@jeremiahferg5998]

Blacks aren't Jacob. They only wish.

[@shaunsteele8244]

Esau be's da wyt peepo. We wuz kangz n sheeit

[@verenatuna9010]

" May the Lord rebuke you".

[@tanimowookusaga4856]

​@@jeremiahferg5998you are clueless. Read the Bible, study history and archeology and know that Jacob was Black not White.

[@rob9241]

Here is what I never understood, Jacob and his mother lied to father. People and God revere Jacob a person who lied to his father, took his brother's birthright when his brother was weak. If anything people should feel shame that Jacob gained favor by lying. If there is a heaven and Jacob goes there can he be proud infront of his father for lying to him? Think about it.

[@thomaswells8566]

I know Jacob trick his brother Esau but y'all remember Esau sold his BIRTHRIGHT I could argue Jacob just INSURED his brother KEPT HIS WORD WHO'S WRONG

[@jojosim5087]

you act like esau had a choice, even when he was in the womb

[@musicaldigest2754]

This story teaches Christians that that could be deceptive and god will love them for it.

[@Kordozer]

Jacob was lucky he lived before the 10 commandments because he broke at least 4

[@Winnyfruits]

How?

[@yasharyahudah1400]

Esau Edom are the Caucasian race of red people hated by Elohim- Mal.1:3-4, Rom.9:13!

[@m.o.m.basiclifeskills2986]

Ok. This is a lesson about lying, taking advantage of others, being dishonest, stealing. If you truly regret your bad behavior, you do not behave that way again, you change your behavior - because if you do it twice you haven't learned anything... You are not a good person. And revenge is never an option. This us a dysfunctional family. It's abusive what they have done to one another.

[@brianwillerton8659]

A child, hated in the womb, that is really tough.

[@jayr399]

@@bessie6806 uhhh yea he does.

[@chrsso]

@@bessie6806 so Gods love isn’t equal to all? so he isn’t perfect

[@shaunsteele8244]

@@chrsso loving everyone "equally" would not be perfect, it would be stupid. People are not all equal

[@chrsso]

@@shaunsteele8244 in the eyes of God we are all equal

[@shaunsteele8244]

@@chrsso not according to scripture

[@mtdew1900]

I thought GOD hated the whole human race at one time was that not the reason for the flood .He heated them all for the wickedness they did.

[@FaithAndMystery]

"Divine Source of Strength, I call upon your power to fortify my body, mind, and spirit. Protect me from harm and illness, and fill me with the vitality to thrive. Grant me the discipline to care for myself and the resilience to overcome any obstacles in my path."

[@jestergodfield690]

I heard based on some missing biblical books that where found in the dead sea scrolls that Esau wasn't so laid back and carefree as you make it sound. Apparently he killed nimrod after the tower of babel fell.

[@findmeanewplanet]

I think the mother gives a clue about Esau's temper when she tells Jacob to flee and she will send for him once his brother's anger is over. Apparently, he does have a calm nature, let's be real, how many people would be able to return home and be embraced by their brother after doing such a devilish thing?

[@jestergodfield690]

Yeah but that was many years later after Jacob had a wife and kids. That wound had years to heal, I don't think that proves Esau didn't have violent rage issues, just that he wasn't petty and held multi-year long grudges. But I guess the only way we'll ever truly know is to get there and ask Jacob and Esau ourselves! 🤷‍♂️ 😅🤣

[@laquintonpiggee6787]

So Jacob was black and Esau was white!

[@kwhitaker47]

Nope! Esau was black just like his twin brother! White people are not shemites!

[@verenatuna9010]

@@kwhitaker47 No! It's quite the opposite!

[@liahfox5840]

If you guys read the Apocrypha scripture and not this mostly edited "stuff" you'd see that Esau was described as being a bad guy. I still don't approve of what they did to him though. It seems more like something the Devil would do than something GOD would do.

[@michellejue3199]

God is biased? What happen to "thou shall not lie?" Cannot blame Esau hatred.

[@iamample1132]

This is one of the few reason I doubted the Old Testament.😑

[@takomaelx7420]

Couldn't he tell that the two sons voices were different I don't sound like my older brother or younger brother my voice is very distinct there's no confusion with my voice

[@nenepchildofthemosthigh4307]

Well yes Isaac said you sound like my son Jacob(in the Bible) but Jacob assured him that he was Esau. And Issac wasn't happy he was tricked either. But what could he do about it.

[@evelyntrujillo4912]

I enjoy listening to your short stories out of the Bible....please continue sharing

[@natalierose1072]

......so God hated a baby that hadn't even been born and then told its mom that the baby would basically be a failure in life then sat back and let Esau's "destiny" play out....the destiny he forced upon an unborn. The destiny where he was setup to fail **blinks in confusion** and THIS is who people choose to worship? To kill for?? To cast judgment for??? Damn I'll stick with my crystals and moon spells 🔮🌙

[@fourbandits]

I can’t believe that people hear these infantile, non-sensical stories but remain impressed and call it wisdom.

[@ineedhoez]

😂😂😂

[@andhravilla3894]

Jacob cheated Esau, how is that morally right?

[@lpm7326]

So was Esau unfairly condemned even before he came?? Does it mean all our life has been predestined? What happened to the so called free will?

[@Melissa-Judith]

Of course our lives is not hidden from God, he says to Jeremiah I have ordained you a prophet from your mother's womb .God knows everything ,even in John it says those who accepted him were given the power / birthright/ to be called children of God not born of man will, or flesh, or blood but the will of God. The free will exists you can still be chosen and If you pursue the things of the world and Satan you have chosen your path.If our lives are predestined then we should not worry and find ourselves worshipping our God for we know we are his children.

[@godaughter4044]

I have been studying Genesis. God didn’t actually hate Esau. He just chose Jacob to be apart of the selected to be the ancestor of Jesus before they were even born. I disagree with this video. Esau was a dumb beef head who was skilled at hunting . Jacob was smarter than Esau . A tricky mommas boy. Perhaps coming in from a failed hunting trip, Esau was famished and when he saw Jacobs food all he cared about was getting some to eat. Jacob tells him to first give him his birth right and at the moment Esau didn’t care about no birthright so being the dumb meat red head he is he sells it. And by this time Esau has already married 2wives. Hittite strange women with mongoloid features. His parents hated his wives. So maybe that’s what he did wrong but he’s not that only man in the Bible to have married more than one wife and foreigner’s. When Jacob deceived his father Isaac and now officially took Esau’s blessing Esau was set to kill this man. 20 years later when Jacob meets Esau , Jacob see that Esau is ruling over Four hundred men. This indicate That God has also Bless Esau greatly with wealth also. In fact when Jacob sends over gifts to Esau Esau rejects them initially because he already has a lot. But because Jacob insisted he took the gifts. In a way Jacob kind of gave Esau his stolen inheritance, but doing so from the blessings God has given him. The same case for Ishmael. Ishmael was not hated by God he simply was chosen to be one of the ancestors of our lord and savior Jesus Christ. Isaac was. It doesn’t mean God forgot about Ishmael. Ishmael became a greate man probably even a king. He had I think 12 sons. I feel like when some Christian’s teach about those who seemed to be forgotten we make it seem like it was there fault that they were not apart of the ancestors of Jesus but that’s not true. God already chosen who will be apart of Jesus ancestry before they were even born.

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

*Romans* 9:13 *As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.*

[@bigcoop3717]

This is men’s business Eve you are not to be teaching, sit this one out.

[@lovealways2609]

The eternal love and grace of God Almighty is what saves anyone. Jesus 🌄 Christ is the love, grace and Holy Word of Divine Truth from God Almighty's purest 👑 heart 💖

[@tarikmonhem1714]

Wait hold on! So the blessed son lied to his dying father, the blessed mother schemed to dis-inherit her own flesh and blood because she had a favourite, and im supposed to not lie scheme and cheat? Thank you I gues?!

[@Winnyfruits]

In a different book that was taking out of the bible explained that what happened..... there was no scheme.

[@drydizzle2954]

This along with a few other biblical stories from the Old Testament have always been troubling to me. We can read into biblical stories and make applications of assumption into the text to paint individuals like Esau as being sinful, corrupt, or whatever else, and subsequently deserving of their punishments, but in actuality, the text doesn't actually explicitly say anything like that and these are just assumptions to justify the Will of God or the actions of his "chosen." Esau is just one example of these. I have accepted that my examining of these stories creates more doubt in my faith than anything else, so I try to minimize my exposure to them. But every once in awhile, I can't help but examine these stories. I feel a pull to do so, but I suffer doubts when I see such blatant corruption, deception, or instigation being justified by "the will of God" or his "chosen" ones.

[@jayr399]

For real man. It’s bothersome. One of the most fcuked up stories is when God commanded his “people” to commit genocide and even his own people thought that was straight up bat-shyt so they refused. He then made them wander the desert for 40 years because they didn’t wanna commit genocide. Unbelievable

[@billybayaraa]

he chooses the weakest among us to serve and be glorified by His name. He calls the weak and makes them mighty. We as humans have sinned and fallen but it is through God that we are redeemed.

[@Melissa-Judith]

It's a lesson to us believers, remember what happened to Job , Job wasn't a sinner , a man who feared God , yet all things were taken away from him, to the extent of his body being tormented , at the end Job says I know thou canst do all things.God asks him who has given me first that I should repay him , that alone that statement alone taught me to be humble and not question God .He is God and who has given him anything first , who ? Is it you ? Is it me ??? Nay, Noone has given to God, no one is Him.He is He.We should learn to worship him in all times , all seasons , no matter what befalls us we should learn to trust him. Abraham was God's friend but up until 90 he got his own child.Can we really understand God. ALL this was caused by Satan , it is him who should blame for he is the one who deceived humanity into sin and we all fell into fallen world. May your faith in God be increased and may you learn to say in your heart" Your will may be done "

[@BobbyBoucher634]

I think It’s a lesson in Blind faith, Isaac was a dirtbag same as Esau but he had faith in God’s path so god rewarded him. Idk not religious but Old Testament is incredibly hypocritical, also says to feed your worst enemy if they’re hungry and yet Isaac made his brother give up everything for a bowl of soup. Some will say Esau shouldn’t have accepted it but the way the story is told he was literally starving so Isaac is an asshole no matter what way you slice it.

[@drydizzle2954]

@@BobbyBoucher634 That's kind of how I see it. The context shows that he had gone on a hunt and he was on the brink of starvation when he got back. Jacob connivingly blackmailed/pressured Esau into giving up his birth right, but then to add insult to injury, stole a blessing intended for Esau (the more important of the two). This was not only a betrayal, but a violation of the natural law of blessings going from the Father to the eldest son. This makes Jacob not only an usurper, but a deceiver as well. This sounds like pretty despicable behavior to say the least and Jacob should not have been allowed to carry on as God's chosen people. This isn't even the only example of God's "chosen" doing such things. David sent Uriah to war in order to get him killed to get with his wife.. This is some pretty screwed up stuff.. I know we're supposed to be unworthy sinners and all that.. But how do these "Holy" men get a pass? God has struck down others in the bible for far less..

[@fsdfmsbcxx]

If you're serious in studying the Bible, don't use the corrupted "new" Versions, but the Old King James Bible (1611).

[@esotericheric8659]

Reading the comments….it seems like no one can look past their dogma to understand this story and what it implies about human nature

[@rapstoomuch3001]

Explain then cause my dogma is getting in the way.

[@nostalgicbliss5547]

@@rapstoomuch3001 Basically people view the story as unfair and unjust towards Esau. It's like when people say if God was so good, then why do innocent children get killed, suffer disease and starvation. Like they have the authority to question the will and righteousness of God. Many are called, few are chosen, and maybe most fear that they are not truly chosen. It's also the same scenario with the story of Job.

[@Trollamollex]

@@rapstoomuch3001 Lots of the stories in the bible are "unfair situations" that show the ugliness of man. Not all of them end to well for the parties involved and sometimes it's more like poetic justice is served more so than God coming down and holding a trial.

[@KreepKarnage]

@@nostalgicbliss5547 "view the story as unfair and unjust towards Esau." not a view its an objective Fact, his brother and mother were working against him. "Like they have the authority to question the will and righteousness of God" this is exactly what leads blasphemous athiests and demonic satanists into existence. its the Nature of man to question and wonder why, even more to dictators. a truly caring _creator_ knows this Especially if he's so intelligent.

[@robertpaulson2052]

Anyone else always confused about everyone's actions in these stories?

[@iwannabetheunknown]

ya the old testament was pretty confusing

[@christiansoldier77]

God didnt hate Esau . He blessed Esau with a family and riches

[@GabrielXDrums]

That’s what he wants you to think, but every other moment of his life was a nightmare, that’s not a God worth worshipping, he also didn’t do anything for him, granted he had to attain it all on his own while “God” your so called “Jesus daddy” fucked his life up. He doesn’t care about anyone at all, get that in your head.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@GabrielXDrums Who hurt you ?

[@GabrielXDrums]

@@christiansoldier77 you call yourself a Christian with that type of reply, typical. Your church is a joke just like your so called God. There’s your answer you clown.

[@GabrielXDrums]

@@christiansoldier77 AHAHAHAHAHAHA you believe in a fairy tale being while over 70k Palestinians have died because of him. Get your head out of your ass and back to reality.