The Man Who Killed Millions Trying To Grow Food In Snow

[@chrisxsterling]

I'm a little shocked and annoyed about the level of censorship required in order to make KZbin AI moderators happy. Kevin was literally just describing things.

[@MrChaosBones]

I watched a harry-potter theory video, where "Children" was censored to "Ch*ldren* in the subs. 🙄

[@ptb1ptb2]

"Will noone think of the Ch*ldren!"

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I've had to get creative with comments lately because anything beyond "this was very video" runs the risk of being auto-deleted, and I usually never even know it happened unless I try to edit the comment before leaving the page and it errors on me.

[@shinyribs2178]

For real. It's out of control

[@brendan9286]

i'm really glad they took the time to mention that it's youtube's fault, too

[@dougmckinney8497]

i love how we are to the point that we cannot openly discuss history and the development of societies without being careful of what we say. sorry they are forcing you to censor such simple things as "human".....

[@antony1397]

Shit like this is going to cause history to repeat yet again. We really are allowing corporations to control what we say. We'll all still use youtube so what's the solution? Seems like we're heading towards large scale trouble.

[@sfkdsxzjkcfjldskaf99sddf809sdf]

@@Insightful_Inquiries bro wtf go outside and touch grass

[@A_moody26]

@@Insightful_InquiriesDude… please seek professional help…

[@imundeader]

​@@Insightful_Inquiries Literally why the soviet revolution happened was to lift the proletariat up. That isn't debated, how it royally messed up is.

[@MrBishop077]

@@sfkdsxzjkcfjldskaf99sddf809sdf I tried to do that .. but there was a sign that said "Do Not Touch the Grass, Wet Paint" =(

[@dimitrosskrippka2154]

Claiming that Lysenko predicted epigenetics is like saying that geocentrists were right because earth and sun are spinning around common mass center. There’s a rumour that Lysenko still affects Russian science as St. Petersburg University is stronger in genetics than Moscow State University, and you can still find a lysenkoist in biology faculty of MSU

[@LamarcusElwood]

Not really. They noticed that certain people were better adapted to certain climates and inferred there was something at play with that.

[@Itried20takennames]

Agree. Don’t think he got anything right….just that some of his nonsense later turned out to be partly true by pure chance.

[@alysdexia]

@@LamarcusElwood no relation to Lamarck?!

[@felixhenson9926]

Eh, when he said Lysenko believed the crops genes were affected by their circumstances and nutrients it did make me immediately think of epigenetics.

[@daverapp]

I feel like if Lysenko were alive today, he would be very active on Twitter.

[@rasputinelciego1547]

Greta Zumberbot 3000

[@richardcampbell8685]

Best comment here

[@rasputinelciego1547]

@@MNTrader2012 Fauci

[@lightningstrike5024]

and if stalin was alive today hed be running youtube

[@whitemagus2000]

If he was still alive today he'd be saying that face masks can stop a virus.

[@davidlewis6728]

i use the term "lysenkoism" to refer to any instance where politics usurps science while masquerading as it. it's basically the inevitable result whenever politics infects science at all. associating it with the specific idiocy that lysenko believed seems needlessly limiting, especially since the only thing about him that was unique was his connection to the state.

[@thegatorhator6822]

So basically every piece of "science" done since the 1980s and everything happening in modern US colleges?

[@haroldhahn7044]

All the trash science of global warming alarmism is paid for by leftist pols like Biden.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

Like COVID.

[@davidlewis6728]

@@thegatorhator6822 not everything. anywhere the reproducibility crisis can be found also has political bias. physical fields like mechanical engineering are far less likely to become subject to politics, given that machines built on shoddy logic are rarely an improvement, but you still get stuff like wind and solar engineers dissing nuclear because they believe the fearmongering that nimby politicians keep pushing onto them.

[@got2kittys]

It's possible to genetically select for useful plant traits. I live in a high altitude mountainous area, a high desert. Too much Sun, Ultraviolet, high wind, dry for months. In 5 years I had little tomatoes that could be planted directly in the ground. Basically, this was from planting and cross breeding the few survivors out of 100's of plants.

[@jonntischnabel]

Im so glad KZbin protected me from hearing the word "cannibal". Im not sure how i would have dealt with the trauma otherwise 😂

[@elizabethCorkins83]

Lol

[@DaidriveCJ]

KZbin and Google's current and former leader's is _at least_ partially responsible for this censorship... thanks to Susan and her ilk...

[@Hybris71]

Don't forget "human"! 😂

[@johnbarker8305]

How do you feel about homophage? Homovore?

[@RaymondTracer]

@@Hybris71 That's a forbidden word, how dare you utter it!

[@arm1c]

I enjoyed your old videos, but the new longer form content you’ve been putting out is in a class of its own. More of us should know these stories and the lessons they teach us. Well done, and thanks for making this kind of content.

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

The sad part is, that what led to the rise of Lysenko is still out there, and it can still plague the academy of our own countries today if we let it fester. Scientific discoveries and inventions are often tied to the reputations of academics, and there's a sad reality that many academics are often competing more for their own reputations, rather than for genuine scientific progress. If the wrong people get such a good reputation they become unquestionable, and they become convinced of their own mistakes because of their reputation, they can undermine those who question them and use their influence to at least ostracize people with legitimate questions. It may not be as bad as them having a dictator's ear, but it's still something to keep in check.

[@Berserkism]

"Trust the Science." You already aren't allowed to question the scientific clergy.

[@syrialak101]

Well, we have scientific journals and codes of ethics in scientific research for a reason, don't we?

[@bujustic]

@@Berserkism People like you make it harder to criticise academic institutions, you know Instead of talking about how reproducing studies is de-incentivised and how professors are increasingly replaced with adjuncts people have to spend their time explaining that no, there is no evil conspiracy making you take the vaccine

[@lloydgush]

@@syrialak101Considering the dude was caught editing slides of chromatography? I'm not all that sure most academics think they exist for a reason... They see it as speed bumps. Clearly not for actual discovery, so speedbumps for what?

[@AwfulnewsFM]

​​@@Berserkismwith the things have heard from the layman? I'd rather be lied to by an expert that believe what idiotic theories teens present online; just search "shifting" to learn what I mean

[@Roy-K]

At about halfway through, the thought occurred to me that, had Lysenko “trained” his plants effectively, and confirmed the results until he had something that had worked, the ones less suited to the cold would have died off, leading to a process of natural selection that would have fared better in reality by complete accident

[@Eryna_]

Ah yes, the "give the crops class consciousness" guy.

[@Doomroar]

The grandparent effect is some scary shit man, even you legit take care of yourself and make sure to live a good life, if your parents had a rough life or just didn't took care of yourself, the ones paying the price will be your kids, and that's such an unfair low blow, diseases that skip a generations are just plain nasty

[@alexwelts2553]

Nah bro,. Those diseases are conscious and part of the DNA and were skipping a generation to see if the parents do right and break the cycles that have been demonized and oppressed and used and extracted and exploited and experimented upon and used as currency.

[@alexwelts2553]

Say hello to your "junk" DNA. Everything has a full potential and spectrum to be it's best or worst self.

[@ClyDIley]

Its pretty naive on its face to think living a good healthy life guarantees an exemption from all the other umpteen thousand ways this cruel world can take you, and even if it does, death will still come for us all, regardless of lifestyle discipline, wealth, or luck... Best make peace with that fact and get on with it.

[@_OpenJournal_]

@@ClyDIleyperhaps a blunt way of putting it but yeah, I agree with you. Loving yourself and others feels more important with this perspective, I think.

[@durdleduc8520]

that's why it's important to support medicine, so people can continue to get better and better at fighting disease :)

[@TreeLuvBurdpu]

This guy also influenced the US govt "experts" who told farmers to plow their fields deeply to exercise the soil, leading to evaporation of ground water and dust storms that blew all the way to Washington. Dust Bowl Blues.

[@bigmouthstrikesagain4056]

I wonder what the farmers thought of these orders?....the government is only good for one thing..governing a country... its not a farmer or a worker.... so it should stay our of those affairs all together.

[@TreeLuvBurdpu]

@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056 what about healthcare or education? Most people today still say "trust the experts" because that's who they got their education from, the govt.

[@TheBcoolGuy]

I am under no delusion that the ridiculousness is a thing of the past.@@TreeLuvBurdpu

[@andiralosh2173]

​@@TreeLuvBurdpuan expert should be someone with knowledge and reason, not someone approved by ideology

[@tsm688]

@@TreeLuvBurdpu You got your choice of people who regularly stitch wounds, set bones, treat cancer, cure infections, and eliminate diseases; or, people who have done none of those things. Pick who you want but evidence-based medicine is a pretty damned clear winner.

[@AlexanderWeixelbaumer]

By the way it turned out that girafes with longer necks do not have a higher probability survinging times of famine. However male girafes have a higher probability winning fights when they head bang against each other - which eventually leads to longer necks in the whole polulation.

[@carsonhunt4642]

Yep much like being taller as a human actually has more problems than benefits, but in nature taller/bigger guy was more likely to win a fight against another male

[@williamlowry8809]

Maybe, or though that doesn't necessarily mean that was the only factor for the evolution of a long neck. It may be that if giraffes suddenly had the same necks they had millions of years ago they would indeed starve. Observing modern day influence of trait variation on fitness can only go so far in trying to infer selective pressures that may have led to these traits' evolutions.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@carsonhunt4642 You forget about sexual selection which is actually the main driver of genetic change in humans, little as there has been, for the past several hundred thousand years. Women like big tall guys with big long...feet.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

@@TheSuperappelflap That's a bit of a chicken-and-egg thing, though. Human females may well find taller males attractive because the taller mate provides fitter offspring. The downsides not really setting in until later in life, it's entirely possible that evolution ignored them entirely.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@stormisuedonym4599 no, this isnt about survival of the fittest. look up what the term sexual selection means. animals dont just pick a mate based on fitness characteristics but also on certain physical attributes that serve no purpose and are considered attractive. for example a rooster may have a very large red hem, or a peacock a huge array of brightly colored feathers. same goes for women and tall guys. they arent attracted to tall guys because of some fitness characteristic, theyre just attracted to tall guys.

[@SubSalicylate]

“Mathematics has no place in biology” sounds a lot like something middle-school me would say.

[@GlowBerryPumpkin]

​@@beowulf_of_wall_stdo you have any examples?

[@Th3EnterNal]

LOOOL @@beowulf_of_wall_st

[@tommykarrick9130]

Isn’t it sickening that this person gets to cause millions of deaths by starvation and thousands by execution of his own colleagues holding back a scientific field through terror for decades and his punishment is just being seen as kind of a loser in his final years

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

One intresting aspect about it, is also that lysankoism was forced to incorporate in the eastern block countries. Which were often researching in more western areas agricultural science. For example, most scientists in east germany in the main agricultural institute, were just confused when they were told to make barley from wheat.

[@Archris17]

I can just imagine the conversations they had (out of reach of the Stazi, of course). "What next? Metallurgists will be told to turn lead into gold?"

[@MewtwoExMasterMusic]

I remember this from Cosmos by Neil deGrasse Tyson. How Vavilov's team was dying from hunger doing research on seeds, eating barely, barely any food even after Vavilov was catured, tortured and eventualy killed. Something these people relinquished - their lives for the good of their country and even world's betterment. Always makes me cry thinking how it was stressed that the people working to find a way to end famine died of starvation working on preserving crop seeds never touching them for consumption. This research and seeds later becoming the base for the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. After years, i never leave out a single grain of rice from a dish, a pot, a pan... - out of respect for Vavilov and his exemplary team...

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

Well, the next video made by Vsauce2 was about this!

[@christopherellis2663]

The great pity is that carbohydrates are not essential for human nutrition. Starch. Sugar. Alcohol. Each leads to illness.

[@aj.j5833]

Funny that he do a video on that when he is our current day Lysenko, a states "scientist".

[@shikyokira3065]

"The XX/XY chromosomes are insufficient, because when we wake up in the morning, we exaggerate whatever feature we want, to portray the gender of our choice. Either the one you are assigned, the one you choose to be, whatever it is.... Today I feel 80% *female* , 20% *male* . I'm gonna put on makeup. Tomorrow I might feel 80% *male* , 20% *female* , and I'll wear a muscle shirt. Why do you care? What business is it of yours to require that I fulfill your inability to think of gender on a spectrum?" - Neil deGrasse Tyson, 2023 EDIT: Fixed typo

[@Hunter12396]

@@shikyokira3065 "Look. I'm being attacked on all sides. I have now gotten my 4th death threat from a former special Ops veteran. My apologies if I am a bit on edge. He said he would use the full power of the military to kill me." - Neil deGrasse Tyson, 2020

[@Necrikus]

Didn't know all the details, but that opener made me immediately guess who and what the video's subject was. I'm neither that into biology, genetics, or Russian history, and I still at least knew of the Soviet "scientist" that caused a famine and tainted the study of epigenetics.

[@mikets42]

He was by far not alone. The common practice was: 1) declare that you devised a theory directly inspired by Marx/Lenin/etc 2) promise some outstanding results to be achieved by a date related to revolution/etc 3) a month before this date comes, admit that the results are not there AND promise even better results by the next date 4) if anyone criticizes you scientifically, name him an enemy of the state because your theory is based on Marx/Lenin/etc and therefore must work, it's only a question of time and effort 5) loop to 2.

[@araaraaura1887]

Don't forget to blame any demonstrable failures on capitalist saboteurs.

[@silentdrew7636]

Sounds like prosperity gospel, but in reverse

[@jaksilver3656]

Seems surprised that Lysenko failed upward, when it happens all the time in corporate and military organizations all over the world

[@AKKK1182]

KZbin is now at a point where an educational channel has to beep out "kill" and "human". And then some smartass pops up and goes "well they're a private company" "well you don't have to self-censor". Yea, ok buddy.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

I'm sorry you don't like it when non-state entities do what they wish with their property? Go use one of the alternatives. It's the only way KZbin will ever be convinced to change, really.

[@doctahjonez]

For real the bootlickers are the worst.

[@imacarrot6570]

They are not a private company. Google is a DARPA project. They are the government.

[@themanhimself3]

They are a private business. None of your ramblings change this. I know its hard to understand when your IQ is room temp but they can do literally anything they want with the business. It's their right, it's not your right to break the rules and not face the consequences. You have every right to build your own platform and your own rules but you don't call the shots on other people's platform. You don't even pay for the servers this comment is posted on.

[@alysdexia]

@@themanhimself3 wit/2, no company may do whatever they want.

[@mfaizsyahmi]

The grandmother effect is weird. When your mother was forming in your gran's womb, her entire stock of eggs she would carry for the rest of her life, some of which would become you and all your siblings, was developing in your gran's. That's why whatever environmental stress your gran's having while carrying your mother affects you directly.

[@TheBcoolGuy]

What if you ask them nicely not to malform?

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

​@@TheBcoolGuyyou gotta become so powerful your own genetics rewrite your grandma's

[@passiveaggressiveflamingo6851]

Hence the insane increase in breast and adolescent cancers. Not to mention HIV which is crazy prevalent in the offspring of people born in or exposed to nuclear and chemically (ddt and agent orange) exposed areas. When I was a kid they thought ulcers were from stress. Nope they know it’s a virus. They don’t really know anything.

[@mimsydreams]

Genetics is wild! It's changed by environment and also just randomly, depending on what switch gets flipped on or off. We basically have RNG to thank for how we look, feel, grow... Genes are making choices, cells are making choices, bacteria are making chocies. We have no choices, before birth. We get stuck with whatever dice roll millions of tiny lifeforms have made. Sometimes I wonder if people become anti-science because they can't mentally deal with the fact that these biological chocies aren't truely under our control and superficial outside appareances and even personal ideology really doesn't matter because none of those things makes your cells decide not to give you cancer or alopecia or a lisp when you speak. Human's feble attempt to control genetics by pretending the science of it all is not real.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@TheBcoolGuy It's already too late to ask, by the time you can speak.

[@kaliumnith]

Imagine living in a world where the words cannibal and kill need to be censored.

[@flipflopski2951]

Imagine if those same words were used in a video promoting those two ideas. There are not many options for a private company unable to vet every video.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

A lot of people who watched the original pinochio had never taken smoking and drinking due to it being a direct message. The new one does not have the same effect. Children should not be grown believing that the world is all fun and rainbows. They need to know that there is danger on it.

[@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz]

Almost like Lysenko's world, isn't it?

[@deanemaccannell5673]

It is truly pathetic, but why are we letting them get away with this once they start censoring our language we are not far away from them telling us what we can and cannot think. Does anybody have any ideas on how we can stop this insanity?

[@Слышьты-ф4ю]

​@@flipflopski2951 if you promote the idea, just say "cleansing" and "based Pepe vore".

[@Protocurity]

If anything Lysenkoism is a lesson in the dangers of totalitarianism. A lot of people don't know this, because they think it means "dictatorship", but "totalitarianism" really means an idea that encompasses the total human existence, and thus everything must be considered in and passed through this idea. In his time, Marxism was the totalizing idea, so everything had to be considered in a Marxist lens. Lysenko's popularity came from spreading the ideological dogma into new avenue. I don't want to get too deep into the politics here, but we are still dealing with the dangers of totalitarianism today. Whenever some narrative seeks to consume everything and begins to supersede all facts that contradict it, then we're dealing with a modern day Lysenkoism.

[@Connorses]

I would LOVE to see a video on epigenetics. The idea that outside factors can influence which genes are expressed is fascinating.

[@ImMacke3000]

These recent almost hour long videos from kevin is a godsend, thanks man ❤

[@TTVFails]

Just need shorter intro and more pic's less Kevin ^^

[@RichTapestry]

@@TTVFails I like the current mix tbf

[@user-nu8in3ey8c]

I do not have a lot of time and prefer the bottom line up front. A video on most topics need not be longer than 10 minutes, if you are putting quality into it maybe 20-30 if you are covering a complex topic.

[@duncanbrown4184]

I think Kevin's presentation makes the videos interesting regardless of the topic.

[@xc6013]

great videos, trully

[@kieranh2005]

The plague of lysenkoism has spread throughout medicine as well

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

And far beyond that. Isnt it fun how the field created to question things heavily relies to not questioning them when it is not so good, and asking same question again and again, even if answer was found long time ago?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

One interesting thing Lysenko tried was plowing the fields 2 meters deep in the belief that it would supercharge the eventual root systems. It didn't work. It was counterproductive and less extreme practices led to the Dust Bowl in the US. BUT, we didn't know it was a bad idea until it was "tested" (I say tested, I mean used) and available root space can in fact have a dramatic effect on plant growth, only it's the kind of thing you'll notice in containers when you transplant in stages so the roots completely fill out the space instead of running to the sides and stopping like they would otherwise. Additionally, soilless/hydroponics/aeroponics is a different scenario than actual dirt.

[@renardleblanc5556]

If only Lysenka had man with horses, to produce a proletariat of centaur farmsmen, capable of sowing the land with far greater proficiency than mere boogie tractors.

[@benjystrauss2524]

@38:10 It wasn't Wattson and Crick, but Rosalind Franklin who mapped out the double-helix.

[@DarkAlgae]

I came here to sorta mention this. She deserves to be mentioned alongside them, but she doesn't deserve full credit any more than they do. She was analyzing the wrong kind of dna to have figured out what her data were showing her. Her radiographs (actually taken by a post-grad student under her direction) of DNA-B (specifically Photo 51) were images she thought were inconsequential. But her lab notes including those images were given to Crick under dubious circumstances (they were given by her boss without her permission, but in such a circumstance the concept of ownership is ethically and legally debatable). So the mapping of the double helix was the work of Watson and Crick using Rosalind Franklin's data and images (which were actually taken by Raymond Gosling)

[@Cats-TM]

26:55 Love the fact that even you could not keep a straight face there.

[@elizabethCorkins83]

🤣👏🏻👏🏻

[@rakden]

KZbin censorship of these kinds of videos is disgusting.

[@JoTheVeteran]

It wasn't dumb. It's was done out of ignorance, and malice. You forgive this man by calling him "dumb". We mustn't forgive people like that, ever.

[@23UAS]

Same with saying that Stalin was just oblivious.

[@HashknightGaming]

Nah dude was hella dumb

[@JoTheVeteran]

@@HashknightGaming and that is the root of all evil. It's not that smart people can't be evil. But if history teaches us anything, it is that whenever dumb people accumulate too much power, they become our worst nightmares.

[@brushdogart]

@@JoTheVeteran It's like the difference between organized crime and random crime. They're both pretty terrible but at least one of them you have a chance of making a deal with.

[@pablovirus]

He was definitely dumb but also really evil.

[@killjoy197]

At least he didn't go on TV and claim he was science and being critical of him is denying science itself. I mean, what sort of ego-maniac would do that?

[@supercal333]

He wasn't dumb. He understood the criticisms of his theory and censored them because his planet sized ego could not back down or accept the inconsistencies. Stalin was the same.

[@derekgibbs6425]

Glad you were able to get this uploaded. The censors are weird sometimes when it comes to facts.

[@jason666king]

Yeah, go look up "malinformation"

[@5driedgrams]

Not really.

[@tsm688]

lol "censors"

[@DrDeuteron]

@@tsm688what?

[@arthas640]

@@tsm688 what do you call it when they take down videos with legitimate information, when they take down history videos discussing things like WW2 or the holocaust, or when they take down videos talking about modern events like the war in Ukraine or the conflicts in Ethiopia like the Tigray war?

[@Raziel1984]

it's sad that you can not tell if he was just dumb, irgnorant or evil ... but i guess all three are bad things in a position where millions depend on someone

[@meyer6891]

I think "dumb" isn't an option. I mean, even being a fraud, dude climbed Russian comrade ladder.

[@danilooliveira6580]

he definitely wasn't dumb or ignorant, he could understand clearly the science, he just rejected it. I'll say evil, because he did all of it for personal gain.

[@behindyou529]

Russia moment

[@typemasters2871]

He was an egomaniac by the sounds of it The “I’m always right” type with a side of conspiracy theorist

[@AwfulnewsFM]

He has all the hallmarks of a crank, it was narcissism that led to this

[@JacobDeRose]

Only Kevin would say "incest corn" on KZbin and actually MEAN "incest corn"

[@a.w.4708]

44:36 about atoms splitting and Soviets not believing it has anything to do with class theory... Well, maybe not in this regard, but I own a book written in USSR which contains this gem of an information (paraphrasing) : "the radioactivity shows clearly that dialectic materialism is real. Lenin have always predicted that atoms can be split, because dialectic materialism is about things not being set in stone, so atoms must be able to be destroyed" (or something along these lines, I've read it years ago) I also have Pavlov's biography where about half of the book is about how comunism is good and in line with Pavlov's discoveries. One chapter has nothing to do with Pavlov and is just about October Revolution.

[@jttcosmos]

One interesting thing to add is that for a time the Nazis were actually worried that Lysenko might be on to something. This was of course based on their own racist ideology, thinking that the Jewish people who had lived in Germany over the centuries might have had a negative impact on the “purity” of Germans. Alfred Rosenberg’s organisation was tasked with investigating the matter, and sent someone to the university of Odessa, posing as a student, who looked into Lysenko’s works. They came back reporting that it was just a slight spin on Lamark, thereby putting the whole thing to rest.

[@vonwux]

Really been enjoying these long form videos the last few months, thanks. Glad youtube decided to let you publish this one in the end!

[@BlackGryph0n]

0:59 How?... I think we just saw how three years ago...

[@KMF3]

Yup Dr Fauci!!!

[@redline297]

Interesting video. My grandfather was one of the children during the dutch hunger winter. My aunties and mother all have a range of issues such as hashimodos, ehlers danos, missing teeth among other random things. I'm thankful that I only inherited missing a couple of teeth at worst and not the other stuff.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

oh is that why i only have 2 wisdom teeth

[@tomorrow6]

My grandfather, a farmer, cycled in the middle of that winter to deliver food to people in hiding in town - my mother remembers the snow and ice covering his back on his return

[@HolzMichel]

odd how this monologue sounds eerily like conditions in current scientific circles and the media... just goes to show that those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it

[@DraconicKobold]

I think its not fair to give him credit for being a little right at all. When you spew bogus for long enought its not surprising some of it may end up being true. Its like using a random generator to determain scientific truth. Would you ever say a random generator ends up being right? No of course not. The same applies here.

[@jorgelotr3752]

16:19 That sounds too close to crackpot health theories that are widely believed right now (sadly).

[@litterbox019]

unvaccinated children have to go through a series of phases to live past the age of 2 i won't specify the phases but they involve vaccinating at some point

[@jorgelotr3752]

@@litterbox019 I was thinking more about toxin theory, some survavilism and acclimactization theories, hypernaturism (natural=good, artificial=bad) and many theories that take into account the "memories" of the substances, just to give a few examples. But yeah, vaccinate those children unless they are allergic.

[@LANBobYonson]

The laws in every country get better or worse depending on how reasonable the people in charge of them are. People like this guy are still around making things worse and getting away with it cuz they’re “professionals”. It’ll take until someone smart is in charge to fix the problems. Things always go up and down nothing ever continues to get only better. The general trend is better tho, as you can tell from these videos. The past was absolutely insanely bad and we live pretty good now.

[@sneakyomni]

That was horrendously depressing. Good video but man, what a bummer. It's hard not to see some similarities of cult of personality from here to today

[@RedPillCosby-012]

Progressive are a cult

[@isaac-qe1wu]

Never happened in this way according to a dialectical history…Mendelianism is a cope and epigenetics has proved it obsolete-

[@iaminyourballs]

​@@RedPillCosby-012profile pic checks out

[@Appl_Jax]

(Blindly) Trust the(ir) science tho right?

[@AwfulnewsFM]

​@@Appl_Jaxlysenko was a crank, lets not encourage crankery again. This happened because they refused to trust the science.

[@naingaung2748]

The eatin’ children bit reminded me of ‘A Modest Proposal by Johnathan Swift’. Where he ironically suggested cannibalism as a way to solve overpopulation. Christ…

[@TickedOffPriest]

"Just follow the science." -Trofim Lysenko (probably)

[@arthurcady6302]

You've been cranking out videos on the stories people need to be reminded of right now. These have been great. I really liked the last one on the population bomb movement.

[@DrDeuteron]

History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes. And it’s been spitting bars lately

[@daniellapain1576]

Well, as things go oranges growing in snow will eventually become fact. There is a breed of sour orange that can grow in cold temperatures bordering near 0 degree temps. There are 3 banana breeds that already can grow through winter conditions. It's also a thing to get plants to survive harsher environments almost like a slow competition as to who can do it first. Except none of these people are using these plants to actually feed anyone but adapt them for that eventuality that they could.

[@sephkurai]

42:10 these statistics at the end I would remind everyone are just a theory. Correlation is not causation in statistics and there are a numerous amount of unseen circumstances different generations can face. For example, there would be a lot more cancer and health defects in children born in the early 1900's due to the industrial boom of society we became much more exposed to unknown chemicals in our every day environment. These are the exact children being looked at in these statistic reports. Correlation =/= causation

[@Rocksidion]

38:10 Don't forget Rosalind Franklin's contribution to the discovery of the double helix. She got done dirty by her misogynistic "coworkers."

[@jeffreysommer3292]

Having a dictator like Stalin who would kill anyone who disagreed with him backing up your theories on "SCIENCE!" certainly made a difference, leading to the vast numbers who died as a result--good thing that could never happen in the good old U.S.A.!

[@DrewTrox]

Another missed opportunity to mention Norman Borlaug, and all the good he did. Seriously look that guy up. He was awesome.

[@johnbarker8305]

Low end estimate, Dr. Borlaug saved one billion human lives. And not just lengthened, there was an increase in quality of life

[@himpim642]

@@johnbarker8305 there are thsoe wh ocall im devl and that he runed agriculure and poisoned us all

[@Treksh]

Wow I felt the impact when you said how many years behind our genetic science is, what experiments have not been conducted, that never will be conducted because of this one mans damage to the world, humanity and science.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

If it were just him... but the Luddites so fear progress that now "GMO" is a scare-word, and genetic diseases that _should_ have been eradicated persist.

[@bitcores]

If you want to know something crazy, this is basically copied and called "Continuous Environmental Tracking" now. Look it up. It's wild.

[@chrisreilly1290]

38:07 don't forget to credit Rosalind Franklin who did a good majority of the work to get Watson and Crik to their result

[@sebastiank1714]

True Lysecoism was never given a real chance. Not a single human test subject who experienced death had any subsequent offspring die in following generations.

[@BillytheBolter]

Boy I’m glad the world we live in has learned from and moved on from this sort of science right guys ha ha …right?

[@Randomgenerator1999]

A great high-quality educational video about a topic, I was not aware I cared about until watching that!! Thank you very much Mr Kevin! Time to dig deep into wikipedia to read further!

[@Brosephv]

So glad you touched on epigenetics near the end, I was thinking about it throughout the whole video and how environmental factors do to an extent affect the genome

[@Web720]

The problem is that he outright refutes genetics and calls genes "bourgeois invention".

[@1989Nihil]

There's a bit in the video that has me a little confused. Namely, from 37:24 onwards on you say that, quote: "Geneticists through the 20th century *had never thought that one's experiences and environment played no role in the expression of genes...*" Were you saying that 20th cenury geneticists _did_ think of environmental factors and personal experiences affecting the expression of genes? Or were you saying that they did _not_ think there was any effect? I am asking because there's a double-negative in the sentence "had never thought that [...] played no role in..." and as a non-native english speaker, even with the context of the whole video this bit has me throughly confused.

[@JilutheFang]

The real monstrosity is not trying to grow food in snow, but thinking that supporting only one single expert to keep 100.000 and more people alive is a good idea. Lysenko was convinced of his own scientific progress, but as it turns out erring is human. Don't ask "Why did he keep going?" ask "Why wasn't anyone else added to the project?".

[@JasonAStillman]

How relevant to our current times. When ideology clashes with reality.

[@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat]

Modern leftism? Yes.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

​@@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat Race denialism and Gender ideology.

[@jamielynnwallace1125]

“ Trust the science “ …outside ideas are misinformation/ disinformation. 🤔hmmm..sounds familiar.

[@doctahjonez]

religion lol

[@borissokachev1471]

Man maxed out all his specs out on mewing only.

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

@surplit i mean lysenko has nothing to do with these achievments

[@Antierro]

Can I get a comedy thriller of Lysenko’s life from the perspective of his conscience, played by Bill Hader?

[@xlerb2286]

I don't remember the name or the details but someone centuries ago had tried breeding geese were wearing hats with the idea that the offspring would hatch wearing hats. It's too bad Lysenko didn't know about that. He could have done as much to solve the clothing shortage as he did to solve the food shortage. Kidding aside when I was going though the agronomy program in the early 80's he was still brought up as a bad example and a caution against political involvement in the sciences. We're fooling ourselves if we think this can't happen again.

[@imperialresolution]

Belching or Burping..Thank You for the Miracle. Wow, That Was A Good Video..lol 26:40

[@__-pl3jg]

6:03 - Turn on Captions to see the word censored by KZbin 👉. I'll give you a hint...It starts with canni and ends with balism.

[@bowemorning]

I read a book called "How to Build a Dog and Tame a Fox" which is about a fascinating study in Siberia to try and domesticate foxes to see how dogs were domesticated. So much of their work was dancing around the idea of evolution to try and frame it as something else, even though their study was essentially proving genetics.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

It also succeeded, in fact giving them domesticated foxes. But man in charge knows better, aint`it?

[@philclarke3660]

What keeps sticking out to me from this video is how many similarities there are with what China is fast becoming.

[@pdrouk]

An honest opinion: I never liked your old short videos, but I accidentally came across this current video and I loved it, I hope you continue following this line of content production. Now I really feel it as Vsauce2.

[@JoeSyxpack]

Lysenko looks an awful lot like someone else who's "science" isn't allowed to be questioned.

[@ZILtoid1991]

The most ironic thing is, actual eugenicists often believed in a more Lamarckian-style of genetics.

[@rhettorical]

This is an educational documentary, KZbin should not be forcing censorship here. I used to watch stuff way more descriptive than this on the History and Discovery channels while I was growing up.

[@VodShod]

13:30 You know in the recent war a man in control of over 100 tanks led them into a bloodbath where almost all were lost. He was then Promoted in the Russian army. It seems they haven't changed much since this period.

[@silentdrew7636]

The problems are inherent to dictatorship

[@prprprprprprprprpr]

19:57 History tends to repeat itself. But this time the countries are switched.

[@kevindomenechaliaga8085]

There is a portion of the video at 6:00, where i literally can't understand what he's saying, because of all the beeped and censored words... ¿Are they really eroding our language? I'm sure he wasn't even cursing or anything similar, but once more i can't really say, because now it's all beeps and silence ¿What the hell is going on?

[@GothicPunkChicky]

Re: Grandmother effect Afaik the ova are present in the ovaries from birth. So it would make sense, for genetic changes influenced by the environment to skip a generation, as the genes the grandmother provide are already relatively set, however the ova the mother produces could be influenced by the situation in utero.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

*Epigenetic changes The DNA itself doesn't change, only the expression.

[@Eboreg2]

Seeing Lysenko's ruthless use of cancel culture was incredibly harrowing. Although I will have to admit that the fact that he was destroyed by pushing his crazy horseshit to the forefront is a great example of the rhyming poetry of history.

[@catfan913]

killing people is not cancel culture. that's just kinda insulting on all fronts

[@Eboreg2]

@@catfan913 No, but smear campaigns are. Not to mention death threats.

[@fifth-u5e]

Literally took a break studying for my botany exam to watch a video about botany ._.

[@litterbox019]

it is what it is

[@paulcarter7445]

Expression is NOT transferred via inheritance. Environment does have an influence on an individual organism via expression, but that has no impact on the DNA. The library of all environment responses is imbedded in DNA but the responses do not change the DNA.

[@NaidotASMR]

The grandmother effect is not surprising to me, my great grandmother etc came from Ireland etc from escaping the famine. My family and myself all express mental disorder symptoms. I’ve always wondered if the famine was a factor.

[@Vengefultwinky]

Most important take away is that lysenkoism may be his namesake, but it's the result of every single person who was afraid to point out the falsehoods. Question everything, even today, that maybe there isn't science, but politics behind this new idea.

[@RobBCactive]

Narcissistic people in power are dangerous. Questioning needs a sound basis of knowledge. Today too many fabricate "alternative facts, true to them" out of a conspiratorial "questioning" mindset. The issue was inconvenient facts were overturned under Stalin's malignant regime.

[@ghasttastic1912]

DO NOT GO WITH BETER HELP. IT HAS BEEN KNOWN TO HAVE THERAPISTS THAT DONT SHOW UP.

[@WobblesandBean]

Not only that, they don't check the qualifications for anyone, leading to a LOT of harm done to emotionally vulnerable people. Disgraced therapists, people who have been stripped of their credentials due to gross negligence or misconduct, flock to Betterhelp cuz they can fly under the radar and continue practicing that way.

[@legally_tanner7412]

I just read Lysenko’s ghost for a class on Darwin and Controversy. It is interesting to talk about. It is also interesting to consider how science is validating small pieces of his ideas with epigenetics. I am studying epigenetics right now as well. I would say modern epigenetics doe more to validate Lysenkos inspiration, Lamarck. There is generally an interesting dynamic between “western” Darwinism and “communist” Lysenkoism.

[@DrDeuteron]

And epigenetics is being used politically.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

@@DrDeuteron What isn't?

[@johnbarker8305]

Inasmuch as Darwin's theory was published before many new discoverries and, being a scientific theory, assumes that more info is to come and is open to revision, like all "western" science As opposed to eastern theories, which operate far closer to revelation and not having the messiness of involving the real world

[@stormisuedonym4599]

@@johnbarker8305 Jesus, your understanding of Western science is just... baffling. You have it entirely backwards.

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

Epigenetics does not validate anything Lysenko said, even if some ideologues want to give hm an air of legitimacy that way.

[@gecho194]

There's been a renaissance in magical thinking among politicians over the past decade. "I'm not wrong, its the scientists!"

[@TommyLikeTom]

I love how this guy just started acting and sounding exactly like Micheal and nobody questioned it at all

[@X-SPONGED]

"Fake it till you make it all wrong!" _- Trofim Lysenko, probably_

[@laszlokatko883]

Unfortunately it is always dangerois when ideology is more important than merits and skills, so they had the quotas. But these days there are similar problems in society, when we want to cancel genes and history. People who didn't agree then with these thoughts were immediately cancelled (usually annihilated), and we can see these things today.

[@leoalphaproductions8642]

Ideologies are the greatest enemies of science and reason.

[@thedeadbatterydepot]

Omg this it's one of the craziest stories I ever heard of. Holy the seed work, turning seeds and soaking in water, that is a crazy amount of work, thinking at farming scale, with no electricity. F that

[@ShinSheel]

You overstate Lysenko kill count. USSR didn't have deficit of grain per se during Holodomor and during famine and it's no record of cases someone got dead because their survival depended on his theory. There is a lot of evidence on how other scientists viewed him, they ostracized him a lot, but nobody thought he's responsible for deaths

[@tmaKlopp]

Sometimes vsauce2 hits a banger vid like no other. Keep em rolling brev

[@MaxContagion]

reminds me of a rat study. rats were fed food that devastated their microbiome. their descendants were fed a healthy diet. the microbiomes still hadn't recovered after 7 generations

[@catherinebaldwin6580]

That makes sense to me, since milk is the way that babies microbiome is formed, and doesn’t change much afterwards.

[@GameTimeWhy]

Changing our microbiomes isnt impossible though. Poop implants is just one way of fixing issues.

[@MaxContagion]

@@GameTimeWhy has to be a more natural way as well. those microbes had to get established somehow though i have heard interesting stuff about fecal matter transplants. lot's of interesting findings used to make it into the news all the time

[@Alverant]

Or how the children of alcoholics are more likely to become alcoholics.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@MaxContagion Well...they do come from natural sources, like literally dirt, plants, all this stuff that have enough organic matter to decompose. But its how they established, as they keep translating trough population instead of being wild ones due to being better at their job. And no one really evolved recovery mechanism, because there were no need in it, its impossible to get this specific combination of events on big population and not let it just die out in nature.

[@MBUncle]

Kevin, where's Jake? Please guys update us on his health and well being..

[@DavidJenkins-g2v]

I entered a comment recently after a post about a two year old whom died after a battle with a deadly disease that took down Lue Gehrig(for some reason spellrite inoperable)? ok,whatever. My point was all through the piece there was know question of how the unfortunate child developed the condition nore is the question asked in any of the cases I'm aware of ... Anyway, KZbin refused to post the comment . Also in my comment was mention of a senior citizen I'm friends with who lived in a toxic groundwater zone and had one or more offspring living there inwhich had birth defects and was not aware of the settlement reached to compansate affected residence and is not at all interested . The reason for this is possibly because he was an employee for a time of the company who inadvertently contaminated the groundwater. I'll be surprised if this comment will post on account of the trampling of our freedom of speech writes , incidentaly wich my ancestors gave all to provide to us. Thank you Jon Hart ! LuvD

[@DavidJenkins-g2v]

Thank you you tube !!! I love you !!