The Many Flaws & Resultant Decline of ADV Snorlax

[@SydneySutterKolinkBattler]

Sheesh, I get a B+ in school and get a trip to Chuck E Cheese. Snorlax gets a B+ in OU and gets a 30 minute video dedicated to its fall from grace. lol

[@region7rra881]

Man used to be in honors class in gsc

[@antonykun9940]

@@region7rra881 More like Snorlax was the Valedictorian in GSC

[@raviolieothedisgustingsupe4504]

if something like tauros got to B+ tier, it would be cause for celebration. if something like snorlax gets it, it gets a 30 minute video dedicated to its fall from grace

[@willow7610]

I mean He got straight As in RBY and something around 130% in GSC

[@willjoyce5013]

​@@raviolieothedisgustingsupe4504no, Tauros had a fall from gen 1 king. A B+ for it is a joke compared to that

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

worth mentioning some players have experimented with cb lax to ensure it takes something out with boom. hasn't meaningfully proven itself yet though.

[@gabraltar7506]

I imagine it's probably not very good since it worsens its weakness to sand and spikes.

[@yonatangale1452]

I feel like that could be a move on a double blob team

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it's not supposed to last throughout the game, it's supposed to blow up as soon as possible to throw as much of a wrench in the opposing team's defenses as possible (e.g. denying skarm any opportunity to get up spikes or preventing metagross from blowing up your water/zapdos)

[@AdumbroDeus]

@@BKCplaysPokemon seems a bit similar to Raikou reason for resurgence, instead of using it as something that has to survive, use it has a haymaker that's just supposed to punch important holes.

[@olivergro7105]

Damn this was my first thought on how to fix it's flaws after like 3 minutes of watching

[@Rezzo64]

I don't quite know why, but the thumbnail makes me extremely happy

[@region7rra881]

The 3 snorlaxes makes it look like its showing him getting more and more angry in his sleep

[@uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh]

it fascinates me that snorlax is really good in adv ubers where sandstorm is out of the picture and theres no giratina to spinblock

[@caloom3393]

Utility boom lax to curse rest lax: the future is now old man

[@Elijah-hz9ls]

What about utility boom Lax (Body Slam, Selfdestruct) WITH Curse and Rest?

[@michaelmagaletta3474]

Commenting to make you a star for the KZbin algorithm. Content

[@EvilApple567]

I'm honestly curious what the point of Shadow Ball is for coverage if you're deathly afraid of Wisp Gar anyway. Return hits Psychic mons just about as hard, but you'd probably want to take the slight hit in power w/ BS as para on most all of them is huge. Obv losing the Gar switch threat sucks, but it seems like Punch offers more overall benefits if you have a decent Gar answer in back for Tar, other Lax, Aero, Skarm, Bliss, Cloyster(?), etc.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it's to try and hit it on the switch. if they know you have it, they're not as keen on throwing it in. some teams can't afford to have lax be unable to be completely walled by gar, either. I agree it sucks to have to fit it in, though, which is part of lax's problem overall

[@howaboutsomecorn8592]

A short and sweet analysis. Thanks for the vid :>

[@hugoderschreckliche6441]

Normal being awful stab is the central part of it. You have to cover steel, rock and ghost (which are everywhere) in 3 remaining slots and some steel or ghost types are ground immune and ghost types are fighting immune too. So you basically need all four slots just for acceptable coverage.

[@tylerd1297]

Too many physically defensive Pokemon of those types too, I used to think Lax's attack stat was way lower than 110 because you don't see it doing big damage outside of select matchups and Belly Drum.

[@oqo3310]

That and sand + spikes

[@jesuschrist-zw1tm]

Dead shot (Metagross) @ Choice Band Ability: Clear Body EVs: 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe Adamant Nature - Meteor Mash - Explosion - Earthquake - Rock Slide Captain BOOMerang (Snorlax) @ Leftovers Ability: Immunity EVs: 92 HP / 116 Atk / 144 Def / 144 SpD / 12 Spe Adamant Nature - Self-Destruct - Body Slam - Shadow Ball - Focus Punch Peacemaker (Regirock) @ Leftovers Ability: Clear Body EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD Adamant Nature - Rock Slide - Focus Punch - Thunder Wave - Explosion Pokadot (Claydol) @ Leftovers Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 HP / 216 Atk / 32 SpA / 8 Spe Adamant Nature - Rapid Spin - Earthquake - Psychic - Explosion Killer crock (Salamence) @ Leftovers Ability: Intimidate EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe Adamant Nature IVs: 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe - Dragon Dance - Hidden Power [Flying] - Rock Slide - Earthquake King Shark (Suicune) @ Leftovers Ability: Pressure EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe Bold Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Calm Mind - Surf - Rest - Sleep Talk How you should use lax

[@LEGEND-sp9ev]

27:15 band manaphy The greatest sweeper in gen 3 ou lol😂😂

[@TheBrownestFalcon]

Can there really be that many flaws if this video is so short by BKC standards? TIME TO FIND OUT.

[@mateoboullee6577]

I'd love it if you did a video on weather clearing teams in ADV (I don't know whether it's a viable strategy or not)

[@yourdagan]

In my opinion, Sun as a whole team isn't viable. Sunny Day Charizard, and Moltres, can be very threatening when positioned well. Rain on the other hand, both in isolation and as a whole team style, are heavily underrated threats with a high potential for success. Hail probably wouldn't be good, but I've never tested it nor seen it tested. But to phrase it as "weather clearing" specifically, you may as well go for a dedicated Snorlax team, as it's the main mon that would benefit from getting rid of Sandstorm. I had Blastoise for the bulky water to get Rapid Spin and Rain Dance to reset the weather.

[@Curelax]

3:56 I had to pause to really appreciate this joke good job

[@thugtearsofficial1337]

no joke?

[@elSteeler]

Do you think restalk Lax would still be viable today with its original implementation? I remember it was everywhere during NetBattle and a staple of my teams, I don't know how it would hold up now

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it'd be better, but it still has the same flaws and requires a metric ton of support, so I don't think it would be too much of a change

[@rayquaza5059]

On certain styles liked mixed offense, could naturally bulky and strong pokemon like Jirachi help Snorlax and the team out as an extra special check?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

jirachi doesn't switch into zapdos, calm minders or things like kingdra at all, that's the problem

[@notimpressedbyyourm4932]

Or moltres and other fires

[@chemicaljackfruit1799]

Hello BKC I I would like you to talk about nidoqueen like how you did clef in its vid

[@notimpressedbyyourm4932]

BL Knights with that Medicham team??👀👀

[@ricardoludwig4787]

At this point blissey offense is actually interesting with how hard it can be to switch into sometimes

[@typhlosion108]

Is there any viable way to run anti-sand (not just weather less) in OU?

[@alessandropoma6049]

Dugtrio lead :^)

[@ricardoludwig4787]

I've seen people run dugtrio plus either rain dance suicune or sunny day Moltres in tournament to some success, but those teams flopped just as often as they succeeded there so seem to not be very reliable

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

like ricardo ludwig said, some players run dugtrio + weather move, and despite their flaws, they can be good. example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpfLiWZqgt6ce80

[@yourdagan]

It depends exactly what you mean. A good anti-sand team can be your own "sand" team, that isn't hampered by opposing sand in the first place. Sand immunity and instant recoveries accomplish that. Actual Rain teams are also arguably viable, and would have a great matchup into Sand. One of the big problems of Blissey is solved by Dugtrio, and Tyranitar has to come in on likely a Water type to try to re-summon sand, which is dangerous for it.

[@unknownaccount1729]

gotta ask and i dont know if this is already a video idea you got with your other shit ton of video ideas, but ive always wanted to know how raikou dropped from ou viability in ADV, in that ADV tiering change thread i saw that raikou dropped to BL and called niche, and its always interested me how a previously legitimately ou pokemon fell out of relevancy to the point of being considered a gimmick

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

yeah, it's been on the list for a while. thanks for the comment, I'll try to tackle it soon

[@yourdagan]

Dugtrio, Blissey, Celebi, Aerodactyl to an extent, and the need to choose between HP Grass and HP Ice. If the opponent does not have a resist to Raikou, the substitute calm mind set rips through teams. But removing its checks can be hard, and nowadays evidently requires Dugtrio. It theoretically can slot in to any balance or offense team well enough on its own but offers much less utility and self-sufficiency than Zapdos to justify the slot, so it's been relegated to Special Offense Calm Mind spam as its most successful team style niche. It remains one of the most threatening mons in the metagame that just became a phantom threat because its specific checks became too common. That's a theme with mons like it and Heracross and Snorlax who can be infamously terrifying to deal with but, again, are stopped by common mons though few in number.

[@ricardoludwig4787]

Hey, honest question from a beginner here. Why doesn't cb lax see more play? I can see how it would make it's longevity problems even worse without leftovers but since current lax has to predict so much to be effective, wouldn't it be better to at least maximize how much you get from these predictions with cb? Return/double edge, shadow ball, earthquake/focus punch and self distruct sound like it could have similar upsides to cb gross but with significantly better special defense(although it would obviously lack what meta brings with his amazing typing)

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

some players have been experimenting with cb lax, yeah. no use bothering with anything other than return/double edge and selfdestruct though. the idea is to boom as quickly as possible, before you can let spikes up and/or get worn down and become unable to get one off

[@yourdagan]

Because Snorlax is often the only special "wall" on an offensive team, and bringing Blissey (which could provide Wish support) exacerbates certain weaknesses the team could have due to bringing them. Choice Band Snorlax is very strong and often unexpected; it's similar to Slaking however in that it can be switched around once the opponent knows what's up. A lot of players on ladder use the recommended sets for mons, and there's no standard choice band set to select. Curse Rest is easier to think about bringing, whereas a good Choice Band Snorlax team would be trickier to compose.

[@hackinggamerxd]

BKC listens to CAN? Based.

[@mrniceguy7168]

tfw we will never go back to a time with good ADV sleep mechanics

[@zxien1]

I have been having some success using CM Blissey with Boom lax as well as Claydol. CM Blissey with tbolt/ice beam helps with the special threat pokemon like suicune, zapdos, and most notably can really drive home threatening skarm so snorlax isn't spread too far. Claydol is nice since it can come in against gengar, keeps spikes away, and helps get chip on metagross, ttar etc. The extra boom can sometimes really punch holes as well with Claydol before committing to your sweeper. Also, people don't see CM Blissey coming when you go in with a boomlax, if you manage to kill the physical threats such as ttar and metagross blissey will often sweep especially since blissey can live 1 hit from a CB aero / +1 DD ttar Or CB metagross without Explosion.

[@shady8045]

"0.1 percent chance to 4hko" "this is a clean 4 hit ko" lol

[@zander2758]

Clean 4hitko with sand is what he meant

[@shady8045]

@@zander2758 oh thanks

[@sthxldhx999]

Super new player here, just wondering wouldn't lax make a somewhat good core with pursuit gross and moltres lead? Moltres scares out skarm/forri lead to not give up spikes and gross con trap will-o gar so lax can spam his stab and it comes in on ttar and mence lead. Only real problem i see is this core gets eaten alive by zapdos but maybe I'm too new to see other flaws

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

I appreciate the idea, but that doesn't do anything to fix the issues snorlax and its teams struggling to break through opposing defensive cores while getting worn down really easily

[@sthxldhx999]

@@BKCplaysPokemon yeah true true, thx for answering, adv is a pretty daunting meta

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it might seem like that at first, but stick with it. the patience required is well worth it.

[@sthxldhx999]

@@BKCplaysPokemon oh for sure, loving the tier and how much you can play around with evs and creative sets, also getting into gsc and the offensive teams feel real nice(all thanks to the gsc offense vid, great work)

[@turok645]

I suck but I win a lot of matches with a stupid Curse/Amnesia/Rest/Return Snorlax. Just have to make sure Gengar is dead and pray for no timely crits.

[@yourdagan]

At the point you're running Mono-Attack Snorlax like it's GSC is the point you should consider building a dedicated Snorlax team, in this case one that has Pursuit. Without Snorlax's few checks around, and yes in the absence of crits, it becomes a game-ender.

[@-_soy_-888]

I knew I was in for a BKC video sooner or later Don’t play ADV but nice nonetheless

[@awoolensleevelet]

Ooh more adv

[@thatonekidthatnobodytruste5406]

Blissey has a lot of the same flaws as lax, it gets forced to soft boiled so many times, it gives so many mons (especially metagross) free switches and setup, so is it still good and used often?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

blissey does not get forced to softboiled easily at all. something like zapdos barely scratches it so it has a ton of free turns. it can wish to keep its teammates healthy, passing it to skarm and offsetting the free turn it gives to metagross, or it can simply wear the opposing team down. the whole point is that its access to recovery allows it to outlast pokes like meta that don't heal (as well as keeping its teammates healthy with wish). it is the complete opposite of lax in this regard.

[@yourdagan]

It has Soft-Boiled. If Snorlax had Slack Off its viability could have been much higher.

[@AdumbroDeus]

I'm curious if the reason it was considered so good back in the day was a kinda meta to it or just people underrating its liabilities.

[@yourdagan]

Curse Snorlax is nigh unkillable if you don't bring its dedicated checks; last mon Snorlax cannot be phased either. The thing is, most people bring a check or two to it on every team, so now it seems less deadly than it really is because you're not thinking about it too hard in the builder if you're bringing a standard team. When you notice you don't have a real check to it is when you really feel its S Tier potential; it along with Suicune.

[@AdumbroDeus]

​@@yourdaganso you're saying that the meta was much kinder to it back in the day, that makes sense.

[@yourdagan]

@@AdumbroDeus Perhaps, but these days it has definitely become a lot more optimized, and that can be as simple as Focus Punch Tyranitar and Choice Band Metagross. Curse Snorlax is forced to choose two of Body Slam / Return, Shadow Ball, Earthquake, and even Brick Break. If it does not bring EQ or Brick Break, then it usually loses to the threats I just mentioned and more. Falling out of love with a mon like Curse Snorlax is finding out that you have to build around it so much and even then your success isn't guaranteed, neither with the specific mon nor team as a whole. After using it a lot, you're going to get tired of getting Exploded on, Focus Punch'd, and phazed.

[@quimartolas12]

At least snorlax is pretty good in 1v1

[@corazondepapel9346]

I will never not like Lax

[@ME-kd1ko]

Oh no! Derogatory statements concerning the most dominant OU Pokémon of all time! This cannot be tolerated. If Snorlax is no longer good in Gen 3, then I will no longer consider Gen 3 a generation. Instead of mocking Snorlax for his decline in ADV, how about a video detailing Jynx, Golem, and their rise in GSC?

[@kstiemsma]

i'd love to hear about the development of thief in GSC as well

[@llamaryder1]

@@kstiemsma ttar is more dominant in ou gens:P

[@maxmustermann5590]

He really did my boy like that What I don't get, you bring skarmbliss in nearly all of your teams, but rank them pretty low?

[@tecul1]

hm? i don’t see where they are ranked low

[@maxmustermann5590]

@@tecul1 well they are below ttar gengar metagross, zapdos and swampert, all mons which he used less. If you take a random bkc Team and have to guess 1 mon which is on it, skarm or bliss are your safest bets by far

[@c_f0rce]

@@maxmustermann5590 Some mons are easy to slap on a team. That doesn't make them better than other mons.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

I still ranked skarmbliss very, very high in the grand scheme of things. usage doesn't always directly correlate to viability. I used ttar less, but that doesn't mean ttar is worse than they are. it depends on the teams being used. also things like metagross/swampert are sometimes interchangeable, whereas skarmbliss are fairly unique in what they do (if you slap a dif special wall like celebi or jirachi over bliss then you need a different moltres counter for example)

[@Dankyjrthethird]

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[@degradaddy2636]

Why snorlax is garbage

[@ZyrusSmith]

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[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

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[@ZyrusSmith]

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[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

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[@Rortikk]

I love your vids, but I have to watch them on 1.25x speed, you talk soooooo slow.

[@camsill342]

He literally talks himself out of breath every 5 minutes tf do you mean

[@tecul1]

he needs to scream nonsense all the time like all the other 9million sub youtubers ofc

[@ricardoludwig4787]

I watched him sped up too but he doesn't really speak slowly tho