Why Snorlax Dominates GSC

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

tiny disclaimer: technically, a few elite players have theorized about super hardcore, dedicated stall teams without snorlax, so yes, it is POSSIBLE...but they haven't been used in serious tournaments (yet). here's the remix used: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fobMfZKEbLaJmck

[@DarianTrinity]

Might wanna pin this

[@ZyrusSmith]

This video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix myself a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm a really shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I could introduce myself. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she had a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I wanted the best for her and I harbored no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seems happy with her boyfriend, so I did not bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it. I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already since I first saw her. Besides, I am quiet happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wanted to live some other life without me in it, so I said, "Okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness." My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally couldn''t take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, "you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get myself a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got so distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video." She said, "You know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer." So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.

[@naganut9718]

Salute for writing a damn paragraft just to make a joke

[@shinji1264]

You don't see comments like this anymore, felt like I was in 2006. *Its a compliment btw cuz everything from that time was original**

[@ExpandDong420]

What a strange coincidence, as I'm reading this there's exactly 2 minutes left in the video

[@fink7968]

This comment was too long, halfway through it I

[@LuckyX1113]

This video is almost as long as a battle against a Snorlax

[@monkeyjosh339]

almost

[@Luna__137]

although snorlax is only 1/6 of a team so thats a extra 5 hours if you want to win

[@KashifVGC]

Hahahaha

[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

Of course, the obligatory GSC haters.

[@ILiekFishes]

@@TheBestFormOfHumor of course, the average victim of an r/woosh

[@ciaranpatrick6859]

Why finish my homework when I can watch an hour long video about a metagame I don't even play

[@haroldnecmann7040]

Thank u for wasting ur time

[@owenvincent2176]

Why sleep when I can also watch an hour long video about a metagame I don't even play

[@Mebibit]

So in summary, the only real downside to Snorlax is the species clause, got it.

[@breadeater1194]

Gen 2 anything goes when?

[@wertyuser798]

5 snorlax 1 mewtwo team vs 5 machamp vs 1 umbreon team lets go

[@Colteor7761]

Snorlax booms 5 times and Mewtwo uses black belt submission with recover to beat Umbreon, gg ez

[@charizardpropaganda]

@@Colteor7761 Protect Machamp

[@0RatedChess]

@@charizardpropaganda Machamp in competitive almost never runs protect

[@ktvx.94]

FSG: How GOOD was Snorlax ACTUALLY? BKC: WHY was Snorlax good ACTUALLY?

[@shady8045]

You probs know but BKC writes for FSG now

[@maagic2031]

the illusion of choice....

[@hangfire5944]

@@maagic2031 lmao

[@michaelmagaletta3474]

Now I can stop hoping for False Swipe Gaming to remake their Snorlax vid

[@TheMathBoi]

i mean there are gens other than gen 2

[@NamelessP-wv6lf]

I still want a remake lol but is will hold me over

[@harb1ng3r82]

Either Lax or Tar is the most necessary remake imo.

[@sephikong8323]

@@harb1ng3r82 Mmmmhhhh, I'd say Starmie or Gengar are just as important as those two if not more considering how lackluster the original was (like Snorlax) and how long and continuous their role was in metagame (like Ttar) Ttar 's vid isn't up to par to the current standards, it still explains things at least decently. Starmie and Gengar have not been covered adequately I think (but I am not dissing on him at all, in fact I joined the channel around that time and the goals of the channel have shifted dramatically in those three and a half year (damn it that's a longer time than I expected)

[@caloom3393]

Why are you reading this ? I also think Charizard needs a redo. Like the just skipped like 2 out of 6 gens worth of stuff

[@aceattorneynegativeharmony7114]

Glad that our special attackers can now miss Snorlax super-effectively

[@shady8045]

"technically aerodactyl resists normal and ground, but it is also frail and not good" lmao, savage.

[@kvltofsobek90]

This is why close combat and focus blast were invented

[@Rarest26]

Man, this video was longer than an average GSC match. In fact, I even used Rest IRL halfway through.

[@terminusest9179]

There was always one thing I always wanted a "what-if" for: What if snorlax was 110 special in RBY? Would he have also been potentially the best OU pokemon over tauros?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

probably, that'd be insane

[@autobotstarscream765]

Snorlax gets Amnesia, so with 110 Special it would've been picking fights with Mew and Mewtwo in Gen 1 as well.

[@misterbadguy7325]

+2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Dragonite: 742-872 (192.7 - 226.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO (admittedly, this is still a OHKO normally) +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Rhydon: 583-686 (141.1 - 166.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (ditto) +2 Snorlax Thunderbolt vs. Cloyster: 325-382 (107.2 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Victreebel: 371-436 (102.2 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO +2 Snorlax Thunderbolt vs. Starmie: 294-346 (91 - 107.1%) -- 43.6% chance to OHKO +2 Snorlax Thunderbolt vs. Slowbro: 340-400 (86.5 - 101.7%) -- 12.8% chance to OHKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Zapdos: 316-372 (82.5 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Exeggutor: 316-372 (80.4 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Tauros: 232-273 (65.7 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 Snorlax Thunderbolt vs. Lapras: 302-356 (65.2 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 Snorlax Thunderbolt vs. Articuno: 250-294 (65.2 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Jolteon: 173-204 (51.9 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Snorlax Body Slam vs. Jynx: 173-204 (51.9 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Snorlax Body Slam vs. Alakazam: 155-183 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 99.5% chance to 2HKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Gengar: 154-182 (47.6 - 56.3%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO +2 Snorlax Blizzard vs. Hypno: 167-197 (44.7 - 52.8%) -- 25.2% chance to 2HKO Snorlax Body Slam vs. Chansey: 268-315 (38.1 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO looks fine to me

[@misterbadguy7325]

So I decided to run some calcs, and a 110 Special Amnesialax with Body Slam, Thunderbolt, and Blizzard that's boosted up to +2 has the following benchmarks: - 1HKOs Dragonite, Rhydon, Cloyster, and Victreebel 100% of the time. Has a sizeable chance to 1HKO Starmie and Slowbro. - 2HKOs Zapdos, Exeggutor, Tauros, Lapras, Articuno, Jolteon, Jynx, and Alakazam 100% of the time. Has a sizeable chance to 2HKO Hypno and Gengar. - Guaranteed 3HKO on Chansey with Body Slam. - Strongest Special move in the game, Articuno's Blizzard, is a possible 7HKO. Yeah, seems balanced to me tbh

[@tdawgmaster1729]

I saw Selfdestruct and immediately thought to make a Belly Drum Selfdestruct set for the lols

[@sephikong8323]

BEGONE SKARM !

[@caloom3393]

I’m helping out with the algorithm to make you a superstar

[@caloom3393]

Lone Ranger nice, enjoy the content

[@shine-ub6eb]

Hell yeah brother

[@nuui2hou]

Replying to help the perosn commenitngh to he,lp the a,geortihtmnsknank

[@Ronbotnik]

@@nuui2hou also repltyijng to help the algorithtimm

[@turbochubz]

I had two Snorlaxes in Gold as a kid. One knew all the best Normal move (Hyper Beam, Body Slam, Headbutt, and I forgot) and the OTHER Snorlax knew all the Elememt Punches (Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch and Mega Punch). Let's just day, Lance's Dragon team was wrecked!!!

[@beetlebun9975]

I was driving listening to this. The sirens scared me

[@allanturmaine5496]

This brings me back. Crystal was the first game I owned for the GBC, and Snorlax was one of my favourites. Keep up the good work!

[@bcdrizzo]

As someone that never heard of BKC until today, I feel like I can relate to his passionately odd and off-the-cuff manner of storytelling. Being in constant battle with scattered thoughts from a mind inherited by schizophrenic parents is a daily struggle. Having multiple trains of thought running all at once and trying to hold onto a single one without losing it has been made painfully clear from conversations with peers. Just trying to type these thoughts into comprehensive sentences was hellishly difficult.

[@victuss1413]

Snorlax can ignore status with sleep, setup with curse, and has a sickness for the thickness. Thats why =D

[@Pishooter]

4:03 he said it 🥹

[@RoGMasterCha0s]

The algorithm has introduced me to you, and I have to say this is one of the most informative competitive Pokémon videos I have ever seen.

[@hulabulia1329]

When looking for certain types, or just anything that isnt a certain mon, you can just type it in where you search for mons (typing “fighting” in will come up with anything with the type which will filter it to only fighting types)

[@martialmushi918]

Anyone here from the NetBattle days circa 2004? Man, if you weren't running curselax back then idk wtf you were doin.

[@acidrazor66]

this video is like a bible of gen 2 competitive good stuff dude, this is awesome

[@annaangelic2318]

Nice! Cool to see a video on Snorlax that's almost as long as a GSC match!

[@niklasdavind4722]

🚫🧢

[@ashharkausar413]

Even mewtwo struggles against this guy. That's saying alot.

[@backburnt6002]

This man literally talked about snorlax for an hour. I salute you.

[@Dreykopff]

Watching this is a good trip down memory lane, dang it. Easily the most broken mon I have ever experienced (and, well, used) in any format. It looks like the solution to GSC is still what it was when I moved on: Explosions and Snorlax.

[@FenrisRM]

this channel is pretty awesome, informative and with a charismatic voice, if comp pokemon would be bigger, this should be one of the bigger poke channels there is. keep up the good work buddy

[@Frillscar]

Simp

[@oqo3310]

@@Frillscar what he says is true + you can't overstate how much this man is the GOAT

[@Jipay15]

Commenting so you can be as dominant in KZbin as Snorlax is in GSC

[@GabrielRPG12]

Working while listening about my favorite Pokemon is something else in life

[@Reginald_Ritmo]

Gen 2 Snorlax is a lot like Gen 1 Tauros. They both benefit from every single little bit of jank and imbalance in their gen, and as a result, dominate.

[@dawn2955]

Snorlax is a pretty good Pokémon in the second generation of competitive Pokémon because it is very resilient, very powerful and very versatile

[@oqo3310]

"pretty good" "100% usage" Yeah, kinda...

[@skortyspice]

This video is so relaxing. I hope your newer videos are just as cozy as this

[@DarkMario277]

Amazing video! As someone who's been trying (and failing) to get into GSC OU, this is very insightful. It's insane just how customizable Snorlax is in this gen. If you have any more plans for GSC OU Guides, I would love to see a Teambuilding video~

[@ArtisChronicles]

Yeah snorlax has always been awesome in those days because of its wide movepool

[@ArtisChronicles]

Yeah snorlax has always been awesome in those days because of its wide movepool

[@harb1ng3r82]

Autumn hasn’t quite hit yet here, so I envy you. Might have to go back to playing my HGSS Lanturn only run in a month or two.

[@lucio356]

Good luck for your run

[@caloom3393]

Lanturn gang

[@prodjoshkta]

the algorithm brought me. somethings happening

[@EvilApple567]

One interesting thing about Gen 2 specifically (along with the Belly Drum failure quirk I didn't know), is that moves with an increased critical hit ratio have a +2 crit rate instead of +1 (according to Bulb). This means that Machamp's Cross Chop always has a 25% to OHKO Lax, even through Curse boosts (or apparently Defense Curls) which is pretty nifty. Obviously it's not worth relying on, but it's definitely noteworthy imo and can be boosted to a 33% chance with Scope Lens.

[@sebastianlucas704]

Did scope lens exist is gen 2?

[@EvilApple567]

@@sebastianlucas704 Yes, but apparently only obtainable through the Mystery Gift event.

[@sebastianlucas704]

@@EvilApple567 Thank you. Always thought that it was a gen IV item.

[@Ak1r0]

Oh wow. I wish there were more videos like this one explaining GSC competitive (to this extent) since I wasn't there when it happened. Great video!

[@xbico9118]

Love the analytical vids. Keep it up man, big fan

[@nbr6116]

I've been waiting for such an in depth analysis :) keep up the good work

[@christopherballero866]

I think only Cross Chop and Hi Jump Kick along with the very rare OHKO moves/combos were among the only things that could've really hurt Snorlax

[@diophantine6677]

Explosion!

[@RocketNothing]

Yep in OHKO clauses Laxen are seriously nerfed by their speed. Some might say Mew & Tauros would rank above them

[@Barkstopper]

Always has been and always will be my go to in early Generation games and competitive usage. I LOVE YOU GRIZZ!

[@ME-kd1ko]

I really hope this is just the first out of many "Why X is good in GSC". Speaking of Lovely Kiss, is Snorlax anywhere near as good in RBY Tradebacks as he is in GSC?

[@erikcarp9359]

Lax is definitely good in rby, idk what tradeback entails, but in ou it’s one of the most used Pokémon

[@ME-kd1ko]

@@erikcarp9359 Tradebacks means that Gen 1 Pokémon can be traded from Gen 2, many of which have extra useful moves. Elemental punches for Alakazam, Amnesia for Hypno and Lovely Kiss for Snorlax are among the most important.

[@erikcarp9359]

M E Huh interesting

[@JoRgEChavez-to2xd]

In gen one games (RBY) two Snorlax with the right attacks between the two of them can beat down any team.

[@saadabdullah3225]

Imagine GSC OU minus Lax, the legendary electrics and Suicune.

[@Thund3rDrag0n12]

Pretty much what many people who don’t play GSC already think it is: a stallfest.

[@dillmo28]

short answer, he a thicc boi long answer, he a strong thicc boi

[@pc31754]

16:13 classic BKC commentary moment

[@Burrybro]

Sometimes I use your videos to fall asleep, but they are also very informative! Thank you

[@Slackjaw]

Hell ya the GSC titan. Very nice my man. He's literally everything you need. He wins games almost effortlessly with sleep talk, can ko non resist with boom and lovely kiss his checks. He's just a good boy

[@zeehond604]

slack? what are you doing here bruh

[@Slackjaw]

@@zeehond604 zee 😎 im always laddering gen 2 bro

[@Slackjaw]

Turborachi/Gangstgar thats me bro say hi if we meet

[@zeehond604]

@@Slackjaw im low on the ladders sadly lol, but will keep an eye out for ya man

[@Slackjaw]

@@zeehond604 same man. I just like memin tbh. Just for fun.

[@RsSooke]

I’ve been getting into GSC and I still lose more often than I win, because I am so late to the party. At first I hated it, I felt like the bulk of many Pokémon were so annoying, but then I started using a boom team and have been playing with a bunch of snorlax sets, it’s actually a ton of fun.

[@Spudmay]

It takes a long time to develop the patience required for GSC. Still working on it myself. I have also been switching to boom teams lol

[@grotn_]

Snorlax is both one of the coolest mons and one of the lamest mons lol

[@MenwithHill]

The epitome of the french phrase "la force tranquille" (relaxed strength).

[@fuckcontinentals]

why lame

[@M_Alexander]

Subscribed for that sweet, smooth voice

[@K2NOPS]

Reminds me of the recipe articles with 2 paragraphs about the temperature in Prague before listing ingredients

[@bmonty1915]

My favorite Pokemon and type. Pepperidge Farm remembers the fear Snorlax used to put into enemy teams.

[@justinianga]

1:35 I'm a big fan of the sound of your voice tbh

[@oqo3310]

1:37 That's just completly true, your voice is so soothing to hear.

[@Swampratatta]

Fall always gives me nostalgia of pokémon games, that intro hit close to home bro

[@primosdesegundograu1204]

Wait, Prague? You live in the Czech Republic? Cool, didn't know that. Great video btw.

[@thegipper1215]

snorlax in Nuzlockes and GSC: REAL SHIT snorlax anywhere past RSE: i sleep

[@Rose-ez7yn]

It was good in RSE tho I think

[@SexyPants]

GSC gives major fall vibes. I love how crisp the air gets and about how peaceful the season is. Big vibe.

[@matthewrach9620]

This video is like a freaking cooking blog

[@bantyone5299]

I’ve had a lot of trouble getting into gsc, compared to rby, this video helped a lot as a starting point. Thanks. Also agree Fall is the best.

[@edwardwilson8595]

We do like your voice :)

[@littlebiglsteele4158]

True

[@erikcarp9359]

Yup

[@nelsondaily]

Absolutely love it

[@niklasdavind4722]

Undeniably

[@heff2959]

Amazing voice.

[@lesqueegee]

Back this fall to revisit this certified classic

[@indigo5577]

Thought I was the only one who associates GSC with the fall

[@VirtualStepdad]

currently resetting for a shiny starter in soul silver because I'm wanting to do another fall playthrough :)

[@italocancino2039]

the best of previous gens with a deep relaxing voice

[@mangosteak]

22:27 are u sure about that? Sun and Moon VGC teels a diffrent story ;) +there are a ton of people that used a 50% berry drum.lax on BSS and some madlads even used it in RU in SM

[@whiteglint8714]

There's no recycle and pinch berries in GSC which makes belly drum a bit more worse.

[@mangosteak]

@@whiteglint8714 That is NOT the point of my comment. All I claim is that snorlax doesn't suck in the gens that came after gen 2

[@GHeinz]

totally agree about that fall GSC feel. thanks for another great vid

[@tecul1]

:0

[@pichuflash2769]

I'd be happy to help with the algorithm. You were very nice over discord, and I love your videos.

[@nsiderultimaseth]

Is there any chance Snorlax could get banned from GSC OU? It definitely meets Uber criteria by various other generations' standards. I assume the only reason it hasn't been banned is because its presence is something that the diehard GSC fanbase genuinely enjoys, essentially "Yeah it's broken but we want it around anyway." Which, you know... if that's how they want to do it, they certainly can.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

no chance it gets banned. it's been tried before, and the lax meta is way, way better than the non lax meta.

[@nsiderultimaseth]

@@BKCplaysPokemon What's the non-lax meta like?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

stally as hell since teams just replace lax with bliss for the most part

[@darnell16player]

Fall hasn't hit here yet. Though i want to know how or what program you use to calculate moves like that.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[@ethanbusse5723]

Something something algorithm this channel is dope

[@TheMathBoi]

That HP stat tho

[@thorwannabe6810]

Thiccc boi

[@primosdesegundograu1204]

If we consider Lax the absolute best mon in GSC, who's the second best one? Mew or Mewtwo?

[@elitepippopaperino8625]

Mew is 2nd, Mewtwo is 3rd

[@primosdesegundograu1204]

Thanks.

[@elitepippopaperino8625]

@@primosdesegundograu1204 Check this out if you want to see the rest www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-ubers-viability-rankings.3654941/

[@N12015]

I honestly think that GSC would be a more beloved tier if wasn't due to Snorlax, because with that existing there's no reason to ever use another normal type, because even Blissey is only decent on stall teams.

[@herrabanani]

I've heard that ou without Snorlax has been tested but people prefer it with him. Just cause he's the strongest doesn't mean he makes the meta worse

[@igorstark9514]

@@herrabanani In this case, he did. I'm not into simply banning Snorlax and everything is okay, but it would have been much better if Snorlax didn't over centralizing the metagame too much. That being said, Snorlax isn't the only issue about GSC OU metagame.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

​@@igorstark9514 a laxless OU has been tried in small-scale experiments before, and the conclusion if I recall correctly was that it's way too stally and nobody really liked it.

[@igorstark9514]

@@henriquepacheco7473 That's why I've said Snorlax is not the ONLY issue about GSC OU. Limitless Leftovers, lack of powerful offensive items, 100% HP Rest + Sleep Talk (Rest active), Cursers and such lead the metagame to a slower pace. Some slight changes could have been made in order to improve GSC OU skywards. When GSC Snorlax is an "answer" for it, it's crystal clear something is very wrong in the metagame.

[@honestshao6160]

The voice is truly great...

[@Sam56856]

seems like a good mon, cant wait to add it to my gsc teams!

[@machinat3636]

Winter for sinnoh, spring for kanto, summer for unova and hoenn and yeah autumn for johto

[@Spudmay]

Video makes me play GSC and look forward to fall. GSC reminds me of Christmas, because thats when I got my copies (well, Crystal in September for my bday).

[@meghanaingleshwar]

Lax in gsc is rlly good with its stupidly amazing movepool and by gsc,stupidly amazing stats and stupidly amazing bulk for gsc basically all Pokémon games in gsc will prolly have lax 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of games.

[@bapsverse6182]

Yo I’m only 6:43 into the video thus far but I had to stop and comment when you scrolled over the items. Gen 2 has a berserk gene? That looks so fun and wild like sure, it would probably make current games become way more luck-based but damn I wish they kept that. Also never played gen 2 so very interested in your Snorlax commentary.

[@flow8836]

Great video! Can't watch the whole thing but I'll comment for the algorithm

[@danieldendy701]

My favorite version of snorlax is stockpile, rest, belly drum, and whatever attack you feel like covers your team the best... granted idk if stockpile was even a move in gen 2 but its a very effective moveset for this classic badass pokemon and the best part I feel is it always seems to be a snorlax set that catches the opposition off guard.. stockpile stockpile rest wake up to a chesto berry then he's an 8hko normally one more stockpile for fun 12hko. An unbreakable wall

[@Thund3rDrag0n12]

Stockpile wasn’t introduced until Gen 3, and Snorlax couldn’t even get it until Gen 4

[@Rose-ez7yn]

41:23 Ash's Snorlax: You called?

[@lua-yq8ux]

Interesting and fun video, posting a comment to boost the algorithm! ❤️

[@niklasdavind4722]

Heard Prague is nice, we swedes have about 7 degrees Celsius and constant rain Also nice video!

[@spcooper94]

You should do more videos of overpowered gen 2 Pokemon

[@typhlosion108]

Love the vid BKC. How do you separate the difference between a great Pokemon that necessitates team composition, and an overpowering one that does the same thing?

[@niklasdavind4722]

Great question, don't mind me I'm just commenting to get notified with the answer

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

I think this is a really good question, but I just want to clarify what exactly you mean - are you asking what would make a pokemon you are required to check too much for a tier to handle?

[@orshteinbok7762]

Every time I think of GSC Snorlax I just toss my mind in so many different directions, because just looking at it makes me think Lax is so ban worthy, as its way too centralizing to the point where you are guaranteed to face one in any serious game, yet the general playerbase keeps it and the meta can hang with it. Sometimes I really just think how would the meta shift if Lax were to be banned, since Im no GSC expert really, all I know is that mons that are used solely because of Lax, like Skarm and Growltank and Charmbreon are going to see a major drop in usage, but as for rises its really hard to think, but general thoughts are strong sp.atkers like the Electrics

[@latrodectusmactans7592]

Without Snorlax the electrics completely take over because of Hidden Power Water.

[@aceclover758]

If lax were to have been banned, Raikou and Zapdos would have to be too since Snorlax was their only counter. Because of hidden power water, they could easily beat rock and ground types and with their high special attack, HP will always OHKO a pokemon like Rydon or low SP def ground type like Marowak.

[@imaginaryboy2000]

Snorlax makes special attackers have to tread lightly. Without Lax to stop them, Zapdos and Raikou reign supreme, and the only mon that could take them somewhat consistently would be Blissey; It wouldn't be as centralized, but it'd be more rock-paper-Scizors than the complicated web of 'Which set is this?" and the ensuing chaos.

[@descplan9979]

Any tips on optimal movesets for using snorlax on a pokemon stadium 2 team (like for beating round 2 poke/prime cup)?

[@Reece8u]

Can't you swap to pursuit t-tar on gengar/misdrevious, and not need ghost coverage?

[@Dankyjrthethird]

A L G O gang May the algorithm bless you with 1 milli subs

[@BlaximilianD00d]

I'm not too big on gen 2, my current favorite gen is gen 7 but I enjoy gen 2 topics regardless.

[@dinoman6481]

you must like the remake version of ecruteak city

[@davidbelanger9952]

Snorlax is love. Snorlax is life.

[@graylyhen9490]

The movepools in GSC are atrocious for a lot of Mons. They made moves like Megahorn but forgot that any other Bug type exists so they just left it at that and Fury Cutter. Gligar didn't get a single Ground move til an event. Yanma is just unspeakable and if Forretress didn't have Spikes and Rapid Spin it'd be a joke because holy shit it uses special attacks and HP Ghost. The devs didn't do shit for the majority of the Mons. So when Cross Chop is the only Fighting move and it's on I think two Pokemon it ends up boosting Snorlax even more than it already was

[@breadeater1194]

Is there a good video or article on why Snorlax is allowed in OU? You made some comments near the end about how it's been proven to be more balanced with the current Uber list, but how was that proven?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

there have been several non-snorlax tournaments held and pretty much all of them were massive stallfests because there's no other way to safely handle the legendary electrics. stall is very good in a lax gsc of course but lax also threatens stall and makes offense not just viable, but also very good. without lax, it really is just a stallfest, which didn't make for a very healthy meta.

[@breadeater1194]

@@BKCplaysPokemon Thanks!

[@nelsondaily]

All hail the fallen king of OU!

[@vvvvaaaacccc]

I totally agree that the Gen 2 games just feel like fall. I love that about them.