The Marvels: 10 Reasons The Marvels Flopped!

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

It’s a weird time on the internet. Some comments here are accusing me HATING the MCU now. Meanwhile a video posted yesterday calling me out as an MCU shill. Haha PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! The internet is a wild place.

[@marvelboy2]

I know you are a honnest marvel shill and not a racist like #geeks&gamers and #nerdrotic and so on

[@Bmoney1337]

It’s pretty clear to me that you, like myself and many others, are a fan of marvel, which is why we are critical. We’ve seen marvel at its best, and this isn’t it. We are critical because we want it to be better, and we know it can be, because it was before. Love ya Sean

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

Asking the internet to make sense and to not attacking you is like asking two parallel lines to intersect... It just doesn't happen.

[@darwinbowman8512]

Look man, I've followed you a while and even if I don't agree with some of your reasons here, you are coming from an honest, legitimate place. And your reasons are valid

[@WillowGraceMoffat]

Don’t listen to them man. For what it’s worth I’ve always seen you as an honest man that is willing to give all these films a good go. I always appreciate your opinion and am always excited to see what you think about mcu projects.

[@mellow3995]

They focused on quantity over quality, it's a shame really.

[@miraclemomentsweddings]

I don’t like seeing this argument keep popping up, in 2021 it was a valid argument, but in 2023 there were only 3 movies and 2 Disney plus shows The quality is just lowering, quantity is the same as 2018 + 2 shows

[@Charcoaledmarmalade]

Sometimes less is more

[@davionnebrantley6609]

The quality had nothing to do with it…people just don’t like Brie Larson period

[@everardo2345]

Finally a marvel year (2024) where only one film will be released

[@abhishekmahanti5320]

@@everardo2345But Sony has its Marvel movies.

[@colbyrice5993]

Thankful for your final point, Sean! It's refreshing to hear from you! Movies are fun and should be fun, and I'm glad your discourse and opinions reflect your view on movies in general, that cinema is a place to escape and enjoy ourselves. I hope more people will have that viewpoint! Appreciate your work, man.

[@urty24]

I agree with half his point. Attacking people b/c they enjoyed something is idiotic and ppl shouldnt do it. However, sticking your head in the sand and acting like the culture war isn't happening b/c you don't like it, isnt helpful either. Disney brought politics and identity into the MCU in a very intentional way over the last ~5 years. Saying ppl shouldnt notice that and they should just continue to consume next product without criticism is kind of silly.

[@kasrasadrehashemi174]

​@@urty24Disney oh you mean put gays up front and people of color and you say it is political ,no Hollywood has always been political but because some reason you never seen because of it was clearly impeded in the films except whe the evil gays showed up.

[@colbyrice5993]

@@urty24 I wasn't super clear! I definitely have plenty of criticism with Marvel/Disney/MCU, and The Marvels is, in my opinion, a mess and just plainly not good. I just think any strong negative emotions invoked by both sides of said culture war is not the way to go! Great point tho

[@G82Watts]

U really didnt see where the Marvel movies have been going? I would of bet my life saving this movie flopped. Looked so corny . Only kids like the MCU now. If they dont go a darker gritty route maybe rated R its over. Even if captain america came back to make a movie or iron man it would flop compared to the originals. Its as simple as they need less jokes, and more seriousness. That simple

[@patricklarsen182]

My favorite point he made is that this just jams too many sequels together (Reason #3)

[@gabrielhagedorn5942]

I definitely think that the biggest factor was just the premise of the film. The team up of characters that we really don’t care about never would have lead to a good outcome. The reason why the Avengers worked is because there was at least one movie (that was good) for almost every character, and the more minor characters in the film (Hawkeye and Black Widow) were expanded upon in the movie. We cared about all of the characters.

[@danielfisher8539]

The 65% male number is especially telling: it turned OFF women if GOTG3 was 60% male. Women don't want to be pandered to.

[@kauetadaieski3131]

Woman like romantic movies, romantic comedies, etc. They like beatiful, powerful man acting masculine and still flirting with a female at some point, if she is a heroine even better for those who are more geek. That is how It is and always will be.

[@GenEXReviews]

Along with everything you mentioned, I also believe most families are struggling financially and are only paying for the essentials. What's the cost now for a family of 4 with snacks at the theater? $100.00?

[@G82Watts]

U really didnt see where the Marvel movies have been going? I would of bet my life saving this movie flopped. Looked so corny . Only kids like the MCU now. If they dont go a darker gritty route maybe rated R its over. Even if captain america came back to make a movie or iron man it would flop compared to the originals. Its as simple as they need less jokes, and more seriousness. That simple

[@grizzlygrimgaming1530]

@@G82Wattsthat’s just wrong. Not every mcu movie has to be dark and r-rated. The have a ton of characters that can fit that mold, yea. It would be a welcome change. But there are also plenty of lighter stories that can still work with the right characters and a good script.

[@Akinwalesegun]

people said this and mario came out and it made billions, if a tood film comes out tomorrow people will spend momey

[@G82Watts]

@@grizzlygrimgaming1530 what another movie where the good guy can't die and kills the bad guy. With some cgi fight scenes.

[@paradisecity0406able]

Sean's breakdown of 'The Marvels' is truly *MARVELous*

[@Nicholasmcmath-cr1xl]

Same

[@Moom20]

“Great marketing starts with a great product” is something Disney really needs to listen to. Sure, you can get away with great marketing with a crap product, but it’s so much harder. Marvel at its peak was so successful because they made good movies consistently, and fans trusted them to tell interesting and fun stories. The longer the streak of mediocre to bad movies and shows continues, the less fans are willing to believe it could be a great movie or show.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

Yep

[@reyfan011]

I know and it so frustrating, marvel can promote and hype the movie as much as it wants it doesn’t make it good. So many marvel shows/movies feel like barely any effort was put in. I’ve only liked Spider-Man no way home and guardians 3. I’ll include Loki cuz I love him and like the show.

[@bobcobb3654]

The “homework” angle was where they lost me. Watching the first movie in a franchise before you check out the sequel is one thing, but being told you have to see like 6 movies and 3 TV shows to get the story, you begin to feel it’s not worth it.

[@frankmorelli9366]

“Don’t bring the crap of the real world into my fun talking about grown ups in cosplay punching CGI aliens in the face!” That is so hilariously worded but also hits the nail right on the head. The fact that this kind of toxicity is centering around superhero films is complete idiocy! Let’s just enjoy the films for what they are and friggin get along!

[@catsofsherman1316]

That's hard to do when the studio is putting out movies that purposefully alienate the majority of the most loyal fans.

[@bibek12332]

I found your channel few days ago And now i am binge watching all your videos So fresh to hear a movie fan who will say he loves a movie if he loved it and says he hates a movie if he hated it May you grow to a million soon❤️

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@noahduncan4095]

What a great breakdown! I appreciate you calling out toxicity on both sides of the haters and your connection between points 3 and 4 made a lot of sense.

[@archdogg879]

The only two truly good Marvel movies after Endgame have been No Way Home and Guardians 3.

[@NinthShinigami]

I mostly agree. I thought Shang Chi was kinda solid. No Way Home, I thought was phenomenal on first watch, but on subsequent viewings, went from a 9/10 for me to like a low 8. It is still good tho definitely. Guardians 3, personally I loved.

[@Corey41929]

Shang chi was pretty good as well and wakunda forever

[@benjaminlivingston9706]

I’m so tired of the culture war nonsense too. I audibly grown when I see “GET WOKE GO BROKE!!!” or “M-SHE-U!!!” in people’s thumbnails just as much as when I hear someone say “WE NEED THIS TO APPEAL TO EVERYONE!!!” or “I CAN’T CARE IF THERE ARE NO MINORITIES!!!”

[@doctormanhattan2400-z3d]

Marvel needs to change the way they do things. For one, stop going into production with half baked scripts, plan ahead, give writers more time to write a cohesive narrative and that will lead to less reshoots & less likely to put more money on the budget. That’s why Loki was as good as it was

[@nickpotter158]

They need to quit working like we got nothing better to do in our lives. Marvel...take...your...time!

[@elementonly08]

I would like if they showed they can have a white lead without the movie being about a woman.

[@G82Watts]

I would of bet my life saving this movie flopped. Looked so corny . Only kids like the MCU now. If they dont go a darker gritty route maybe rated R its over. Even if captain america came back to make a movie or iron man it would flop compared to the originals. Its as simple as they need less jokes, and more seriousness. That simple

[@normsti000]

😊 I agree, it doesn't seem from here that the process was very disciplined, I heard of reshoots, cost over runs and disagreements, who was in charge?

[@robertmarginean164]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think waiting too long is a problem. The difference between the release dates of Captain Marvel and The Marvels is pretty much the same as the difference between the release dates of The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, and both of those Batman movies were incredibly successful

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

That's because people like Batman unlike Captain Marvel 😂

[@robertmarginean164]

​@@申月営無営月無営有申right. But that's a different problem, it's not related to the time gap between movies

[@charlesevanshughes3638]

People loved the Dark Knight. People were indifferent to Captain Marvel. There's no comparison.

[@zackarydecicco3919]

The difference between this is The Dark Knight trilogy was more beloved, The Dark Knight was this incredibly beloved film. It’s not part of a shared universe. Captain Marvel is and there’s been a lot of franchise and genre fatigue lately. The Dark Knight Rises didn’t have fatigue going into it, not one bit.

[@robertmarginean164]

@@zackarydecicco3919 I agree, but those are different issues, that aren't "the gap between the movies was too big"

[@eleven2614]

I watched the movie opening weekend, but to be honest, the fact that this was a (kinda) follow-up to Secret Invasion, a show so bad it makes She-Hulk looks like Breaking Bad, really burned me down to the MCU. No only this movie seriously damaged the MCU brand, it damaged the Marvels' section of the MCU brand.

[@frenchful1]

I am a huge MCU fan and it is a bit heartbreaking to watch it spiral in this direction, the Marvels was good but not great, and the trailer wasn’t what sold me… it was just my being a fan. I truly think that chatter and plot point breaks as well as too much shown in trailers take the fun out. I hope Deadpool trailers are as limited to what we see as the endgame trailer was

[@anthonyfernandez4261]

Well spoken Sean, well spoken

[@Mattyboy-dn4oo]

Reason #10 is just too real. And it’s not just with the movie scene. It seems that with everything, especially “geeky” hobbies there’s no room for nuanced opinions. You either like it or hate, and your identity is based on how you feel about “x”. It really makes me hesitant to call myself a fan of something when all the videos I see are either “woke Disney fails again 😂” or “bigots cry over x movie” Like you said it’s just so unpleasant and it makes it tiring to have actual discussions about the film without it turning into some damn culture war or “anti woke” crusade

[@ed36363636]

Not fun to watch people on the screen who just told you how much better their morals are than yours. Who wants to be constantly preached at. In the end you might have a great movie filled with people who think they are so much better than you. They could be a little bit humbler.

[@Mattyboy-dn4oo]

@@ed36363636 no man I totally get it. Personally I’m all for including messages in stories so long as they are actually applicable to the story, character, and delivered in a way that isn’t beating you over the head. I don’t watch Scooby Doo so I can hear commentary on the patriarchy. That’s not the point of the show or the characters, which is why I didn’t like Velma. It seems that studios are more concerned about the message than the story. It’s a valid criticism but I think some people just push it way too far or exaggerate to where it feels like just beating a dead horse and even the critique itself gets tiring.

[@darwinbowman8512]

Man how do you think I feel?? It's like there are people on one end saying you have 0 taste in films if you like the marvels and then the other saying you're sexist if you don't. My take?? I expected this film to be fun and didn't want to worry about the larger mcu arc rn. And for the most part that's what I got. It is a flawed movie with a ton of problems but for me this is exactly what I wanted in an mcu film rn: simple and fun.

[@AudreyMealiff]

This is excellent, Sean. Brilliant and balanced. I wasn't a huge fan of Captain Marvel, but did like aspects of it, the 90s vibe and especially Annette Bening. I've been losing interest in Marvel for a while now, so haven't seen Ms Marvel or Secret Invasion. I thought WandaVision started out brilliantly but I didn't love the ending. Therefore, I don't have all of my homework done for the Marvel so I won't be going to see it. I even have an annual pass for Cineworld so I could easily go, just not feeling it. I also thought Thor Love and Thunder was terrible by the way, that and the Eternals just make me sad. I'm a huge Ant Man fan too (I know I might get flak for that) and I haven't seen Quantumania yet. It just shows my lack of interest now, in a series which I loved.

[@ironbro2794]

After similar videos like this for The Flash and Dial of Destiny (which I’ve not seen), I was waiting all these months for a similar video from Sean on The Marvels.

[@CarlyneDTQTonPod]

The truth hurts those weirdos 😅 My husband and i enjoy some of your recent video essays on these comic book movies and you’re honest with us; we appreciate that. As a family of 3 with our puppy and baby on the way we canceled our family Disney+ subscription late summer of this year, because it was too many tv shows in the MCU for our liking. We skipped the last 3 films in theaters to see some smaller films and only big ones like Barbie-Oppenhiemer and Spiderman: ATSV Happy Holidays and Wonderful New Year’s 🥂👏

[@jaygibbs_]

We’ve been watching all these films and series for the last 3 years and where are the characters? Shang Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, She-Hulk. Why haven’t we seen any of them meet up since? It’s all just so senseless with no cohesive STORY.

[@GhostPirateEntertainment]

I’m not a big fan of marvel but I just got to say damn good video brother! So well said!!!

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

Appreciate it

[@NinthShinigami]

Dang, tough break for MCU 💀

[@markmorris6721]

Pluse that hulk movie came out at the very start of marvel movies. Came out around the same time of Ironman and punisher warzone

[@dickhornmedicineman2766]

The MCU can recover with more, BLACK GIRL MAGIC!

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Its like Feige isnt concerned about quality control

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

I think he’s spread too thin. I don’t think that’s entirely his fault.

[@richardperaza5083]

Honestly Feige out of all the Disney subsidiaries probably cares the most about the work

[@adrybarr20]

I hope this video is a views-monster for you because you were spot on with your takes! Sadly I don't think this is rock bottom for MCU as next years projects look more doomed than the past few years. Disney hates losing money we all know that, so I'm sure some heads may roll, but will it matter by then?

[@drexeldragon1723]

Very fair point about on-ramps, Sean. My fiance wanted to go see Captain Marvel, and I was excited since I had been an MCU fan from the beginning. On the way home, I explained how there were a ton of other movies and we went back on Disney+ to watch them all together. Captain Marvel was a perfect on-ramp for her. I thought The Marvels was fun, but I can't see it being that same on-ramp for many women like Captain Marvel.

[@geoffreygeorge999]

captain marvel was shit

[@abhishekmahanti5320]

Ant And The Wasp didn’t get the same boost after Infinity War that Captain Marvel got before Endgame. Which is indeed weird but very true.

[@TerrellAustin19941]

Exactly

[@kindofanmol]

EXCELLENT analysis! Very few reviewers actually dive deep into the nuances of film topics like you do.

[@chadkoon]

I had a similar feeling to Sin City 2. Thought they waited too long to do it and when it came out I didn't really care for it and felt it lost way too much if the momentum of the first.

[@daultongray8]

I think a big thing to is it comes out on disney+ in 2 months. So why spend money to see something that we can wait till streaming.

[@michaeljoyce6766]

Great video explaining the reasons Sean! I respect it. Now that said, i had an absolute blast with The Marvels and i felt that they made Carol Denvers so much better in this film than her debut film. I do feel really bad the superhero films keep underperforming

[@TiashniqMiller]

Don’t feel bad. They need to be taught a lesson

[@kevinarnold7957]

The entire point of the movies for most of us, is seeing our childhood hero’s coming off the comic book pages onto a movie screen. The source material is abundant and full of quality storytelling. They decided to throw it all to the wind in an attempt to push an agenda through our beloved hero’s. They wanted to push an agenda. So, they searched for something popular and getting the attention of everyone - because their agenda would get more views. They found it in Star Wars and Marvel. Now we have are left with destroyed characters, destroyed storylines, and destroyed faith in humanity. They used our love for something positive and inspiring - to tarnish family values, relationships between men and women, society’s view of men, and feminine women. This is not the stories of hero’s struggling through daily life while also fighting against the forces of the current evil situation. This is an activism propaganda brochure said through the voice acting of paid political actors. And we see it for what it is - not a movie. It used to be advertising was free and paid for by the advertising company. It was something we had to endure at the beginning of our paid for movie or during commercial breaks at home on tv. Now they expect us to give up our money to watch 1 1/2 to 3 hour advertisements on how they want to restructure our society. We aren’t buying it . . . the tickets, or their view of society.

[@granttownsend1175]

I really appreciated what you said about reason #10. I don't come to Sean Chandler talks about hoping to hear why any cultural beliefs or opinions I have are right and why people who disagree suck. I come to Sean Chandler talks about hoping to hear Sean Chandler talk to me about movies way too much. If studios would start trying to make more movies for people who like to talk about movies way too much rather than try to make movies for a cultural war, I really think we'd see the quality of movies in any genre or franchise improve drastically.

[@darwinbowman8512]

Yea and honestly I don't personally agree with all his points. Heck, I don't agree with all his points stated in the movie but dang it if I don't respect him for his take. Cause he has a logical and honest reasons for it and isn't just jumping on a bandwagon.

[@TraderJoe888]

I respect your opinion. Here is a thought experiment. Imagine a $300 million movie set in the Barbie Universe, but with no Barbies, just a few Kens being the heroes fighting a Ken villain. Say it is a "fun movie experience". Do you think that would sit well with the moms and daughters that loved the first Barbie movie? Would it sit well with female empowerment activists? Do you think they would show up to that movie? Do you think Hollywood would ever think about making that movie? Of course not, yet they basically made the same movie in The Marvels set in the MCU Universe, and are somehow surprised no one showed up. BTW, no one goes to the movie theatre to watch a "fun movie". They watch those on Netflix or Amazon, etc. They get in their cars, find parking, pay for overpriced tickets, popcorn and soda, get into a closed space with strangers for GREAT movies and GREAT movie experiences not capable of being replicated on a large screen tv. Saying it is a fun movie tells everyone stay home and wait a few weeks for it to show up on Netflix.

[@garrettpodratz9328]

I definitely agree with what you said about the toxic fans on both sides being negative towards each other. I do miss the days when people weren’t as toxic on every little thing that everyone says about every subject.

[@hemantks4353]

Captain Marvel was the reason MCU started getting gate

[@kcnoise]

Both sides? That is such a cop-out. The DEI truthers at Disney were hired by them, were they not? As a fan that's completely on Disney, not the people who just watch the movies. If the audience is saying they don't want that in these movies, that's not toxicity. Maybe Disney should LISTEN to its audience.

[@darth_chipmunk]

I agree with all your points, but I do have a question regarding point #10. Sure there are toxic fans, but Marvel and Disney in general have been sort of gaslighting the culture war for years now since they put messaging into their films almost unapologetically at this point in time. My question is how do we handle it? It's personally driven me away from the MCU and I almost have to agree with what some of these Marvel-attacking KZbinrs are saying about these movies. I don't agree with the toxic part of it all but I'd like to know how the fans who have been turned off by all the messaging can handle it without being toxic.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

It's all a matter of how you respond. People taking issue with messaging and flaming culture wars is totally reasonable. Criticizing ideas and arguments is fine. Attacking people and questioning motives is toxic. Making broad sweeping generalizations is bad. There's people attacking anyone who liked the film. Even though I gave the film a negative review, I've been called a shill for saying it's fun. That's toxic...and pretty stupid. But likewise, there's all these people broadly painting the criticizing of the film as being fueld by sexism or racism. That's also toxic. It's that stuff that' toxicl

[@taylorpack7705]

It flopped because nobody wants to watch a movie about a superhero who thinks they’re better than everyone else. Plus Brie Larson is a Karen in real life

[@furynotes]

When you think about it. Some of these issues apply the Ahsoka show as well. Ahsoka is popular but needs homework to watch.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

Yep. And I raised those issues with that show as well

[@bobbiedylan9758]

Toxic? I’m attacked for not liking it. I’m sexist even tho I seen CM, Wandavision and Ms Marvel. I’m done with the MCU!

[@emmon5377]

Disney knew this was a bad product hence the delay on release. So satisfying to see the flop after Captain Marvel "succeeded" using deception.

[@colsonrosa4127]

Sean! I love your videos! Keep up the great work! I really appreciate your balanced perspective, highlighting both what works and doesn't with a story. You are neither a hater or a fan boy/schill. I know it's easy to focus on the negative comments. Hopefully the positive comments on your videos outweigh the bad ones! I'll have to throw on my "I Talk Movies Too Much" t-shirt. Don't let the hate get you down. God Bless brother.

[@chrissnyder4439]

I haven't really cared about anything from the MCU since Endgame. Sure, I enjoyed Far From Home and GoTG3, but neither were anything I wanted to see in the theater. Everything coming out is subpar

[@marineboy1964]

According to the marvels director most of the audience is racist, maybe she could of gone about this slightly differently

[@Wizardbane-ev9zk]

This is why i dislike the Marvels. I am a major Marvel fan. They took the decades of rich history of Ms. Marvel who becomes Capt. Marvel to honor her mentor Mar-vel. (A male) 1. Capt. Marvel starts as Ms. Marvel, Then became in order Binary, Warbird, Ending as Captain Marvel. So much rich history lost in the movies with her. They Ignored all of the history the comics created from her. 2. Monica Rambeau our amazing African American character has been Captain Marvel, Photon, Pulsar, and Spectrum at various points in her rich history. who held the title and her powers was all Light based. AGAIN ignoring all her history in comics she has for over a decade. 3. Then the young Ms.Marvel which is a Inhuman NOT a mutant or some fancy bracelet powered kid..A third time ignoring all the comic history.. As a Comic reader from decades of reading these characters I am mad that the MCU/Disney ignored the history of these women and made them a dumpster 🔥. The writers a open Male Hating Feminist hired by Disney/Marvel. Is it to much to ask for a rich decades history based story? As far as Madame Web Trailers. This is not Madame Web of Marvel comic. This is some knock off spider woman theme. This is Marvel's Madame Web: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Cassandra_Webb_(Earth-616)

[@jamesg8175]

You can't say Captain Marvel only made a billion because it came between Infinity War and Endgame, John Campea will cry! Even tho its absolutely true.

[@mugen9147]

Like if he doesn’t cry 24/7

[@ethanabraham6830]

What makes this box office so much worse is that I just read the book “MCU: the reign of marvel studios” and the reason they green lit the Incredible Hulk was because they believed franchise films perform around 100mil of where the previous one performed. The Marvels would be lucky to make 1/3 of the first captain marvel movie (377million).

[@dayv6368]

The misogynism vs feminism discourse is not only tiring, but INTENTIONALLY disingenuous at best. Those claiming people hate the movie because it has girls in it: are we just going to ignore the fact that we all love movies such as Alien, Halloween, Terminator 1 and 2, The Help, Black Swan, Room, and other incredible movies with female leads that don't crutch on the simple fact that the film stars females? Are we also going to ignore the films we hated that starred male leads such as Incredible Hulk, Thor Dark World, Iron Man 2, Jurassic World Dominion, or literally any other critically despised movie with male leads. This isn't to say there aren't unreasonable people who hate movies simply because they star females. but to even attempt to focus the narrative around that inarguably miniscule population is silly. No reasonable people hate movies because they star males or females these days, they hate movies if they're bad movies.

[@christscrackers647]

That last point really resonated with the common audience. Movies are movies, they’re supposed to be enjoyed together by a common audience, not turned into some kind of battleground for opinions. Any movie that has that kind of connotation attached too it makes it nearly impossible to go and see because people really don’t want to deal with that. It’s like goddamn whether you like or dislike the movie, can’t we all just agree to disagree and shut up and enjoy the movies we see?!?!?

[@jordansweet8054]

This might be the first time you've ever used a Simpsons clip in your videos. Cool! Love to see that. Great analysis overall.

[@geminipanda2631]

I personally largely tuned out of the MCU following Endgame, and I haven’t regretted it

[@loganklein5031]

Not the flex you think it is. Hating is lame. Missed out on No way home, Shang Chi, Wakanda forever, etc. There’s been a lot of bad but some great too. not worth tuning out

[@geminipanda2631]

@@loganklein5031 not hating. Just my personal preference. If you still get a kick out of the MCU, more power to you. I caught movies like NWH and Guardians 3 and enjoyed them. Guardians 3 will probably be my last MCU project

[@darwinbowman8512]

​@@geminipanda2631 that's fair. If you're just ready to move in general from the mcu power to you.

[@monkehotdogs2227]

That final reason is why I didnt see it, so toxic

[@tyleroutland435]

The only reason I didn't see the Marvel's is because I wasn't interested in seeing it. As much as I liked Ms marvel season 1 I wasn't interested in the other characters besides ms marvel and her family

[@joneklund581]

Speaking for myself and for all recent marvel films. After ‘no way home’ I found I was watching the movies more for the post credit scenes than the actual movie. Like those 5 min scenes were more anticipated than the movie itself. And as such, why would I pay & go watch a movie from a franchise that has underwhelming, Disney channel quality stories, when i can just KZbin the post credit scenes

[@YasserUM]

Too many chefs in the kitchen resulted in this over-baked pie that released months later than planned (Happy Meal Toys for it were coming out 3 months before rescheduled release dates, and secret invasion may have been collateral damage with re-shoots)

[@4523bgb]

I would argue that The Marvels is better than Captain Marvel. I'm not saying it's great, I just really didn't dig Captain Marvel and actually had fun watching The Marvels. The only reason Captain Marvel made a billy, imo, is the fact that it was in-between two of the biggest movies of all time.

[@2ToyBoys]

Here's a big reason: nobody wanted to see it. The only reason the first one did well was because it came between the two Avengers movies and people thought they had too see it to keep continuity. If Cap'n Marvel was released after Endgame it wouldn't have done as well.

[@paakdisayaniyom]

*"Imagine the cruel memes"* -Dr. Drakken, 2019 Kim Possible DCOM

[@WillowGraceMoffat]

In my experience I wasn’t interested in watching this film in the theatres because I’m not a fan of this character and her first film. That’s the only reason why I haven’t seen it as I’ve seen everything in theatres since endgame. And especially now with Disney plus I’m just waiting to watch it on streaming. And the only reason I will be watching it is for miss marvel because I thought she looked like so much fun in the trailer.

[@bigheadfilms1299]

Lack of promotion definitely played a role, a lot of people I talked to had no idea what the Marvels was

[@noahmagana137]

Superhero fatigue is sadly real and it saddens me

[@loganklein5031]

It’s not superhero fatigue. It’s just bad movie fatigue. If the quality stayed at phase 3 level, no one would care. But now there’s too much meh coming out. Everyone was excited for Wakanda forever, No Way home, Guardians 3, etc. Ppl are just tired of bad movies like this, love and thunder, quantanmania

[@King-mg7vy]

In the 10 plus years this MCU train has been running there has been at LEAST one or two "flops" per phase. And yet the MCU continues to thrive. So, maybe JUST THIS ONCE, we stop this narrative that they're somehow going to "die" based off a couple of financial missteps. People still liked it, and that's all that matters.

[@krishniarumugam]

The number 1 reason - a lack of writing and execution conviction

[@bluemeister22]

Most fans are just fed up with woke Disney thinking diversity is more important then quality...

[@xposhboyx]

Good points about the demographics/on ramp issues. My wife likes this type of stuff, she likes Marvel heroes in general and is a deep geek. She saw the trailers for this and said "that looks stupid and annoying."

[@scruffd0g193]

#10 is spot on, so many other dumb KZbinrs have just feasted on hating on the actors and actresses.

[@ed36363636]

Yeah because they hate many of their potential fans and come right out and say so in the media. So let the fans who the fans who they made the movie for support them

[@patricklarsen182]

I do not like Brie Larson as an actress but that is not the reason I disliked this movie. She starred in the Glass Castle. Her bad acting was not the problem, it was that it completely undid the book.

[@scruffd0g193]

@@ed36363636ok but fans are not at fault here, their is a history of fans giving actors death threats online. It’s known. Look at Star Wars that was a war zone.

[@robertbarga3694]

This is probably the best video on the topic of The Marvel's failure that I've seen. I have nothing against the film, but I skipped it because after so many really, REALLY trash Disney Plus shows and several underwhelming theatrical releases-I just don't care about the MCU anymore and I've moved on. It was my favorite movie franchise and it had a great run, then it all sorta went to hell and I can't be bothered to care anymore.

[@darwinbowman8512]

Thank you for reason number 10. The discord on this film has been tiring and it almost makes me not want to state my film opinions anymore if it's gonna be this toxic. I can't stand how some people have been ridiculing others for loving this movie saying that they have 0 taste in film. As if they're wrong for liking it cause it's not the majority. We are entitled yo like what we like. Heck, if you didn't like across the spider-verse YOU are entitled to that opinion. May not agree with it but you are you man. Why can't we all just get along😂😂

[@lukeschroter9389]

Hey Sean great video Do you think modern cinema is dying because I just watched Chris stuckmanns video on the current state of movies and it doesn’t look good

[@mugen9147]

Modern cinema is not dying just because this dookie flopped. There’s still good movies, only more bad ones currently.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

I haven’t seen his video yet so I can’t comment. I think there’s a lot of issues right now. There are some serious threats to cinema. But there’s always challenges. The current issue of studios treating films as content seems particularly freightening

[@TraderJoe888]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think you are an honest person sharing your true opinions, and I respect you for that. Here is my honest opinion, the culture wars you are seeing in movie reviews is a reflection of the culture wars that are actually happening in American politics. IMO, Disney is completely out of touch with their FORMER audiences (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, MCU, animation movies), as evidenced by not only The Marvels but also the previous Star Wars trilogy, the last Indy Jones movie and the current Wish. When Disney is supporting a third grade teachers right to discuss transgender and homosexuality in her class room in clear opposition to the wishes of the parents of those children, it no longer right to remain silent. IMO, we have lived in a world where the entertainment industry has been totally controlled by people attacking the core foundations of the American political system, seeking to shut down any honest discourse that may somehow offend a trans female or gay African American female. They are following a Marxist philosophy and playbook where only their side of the story has the right to be aired. And finally they are being called out for it. And no, it is not ok to look the other way and stay silent. IMO The Marvels movie was conceived, developed, produced, and marketed by group of woke individuals that had a spiteful hateful in-your face attitude towards the core MCU fanbase, and they got the audience they deserved. And all you have to hear is the commentary by the director and leads of this movie blaming out-of-touch MCU fanboys for the box office failure to know I am right (even after Brie told the core male MCU fanbase that this movie was not made for them). IMO, the problem is not super hero movie fatigue (GOTG 3 did just fine), promotion was not the problem since the 3 leads are NOT popular with Brie being cancer on the promotion circuit, and women not showing up for a female led action movie without a strong male character is par for the course (Charlie's Angels, Harley Quinn, female Ghost Busters, Atomic Blonde, etc). It is your second reason that points to the real problem, Captain Marvel wasn't popular as a comic book nor as a film character, despite the $1 billion box office which was nothing more than a bait and switch where people thought they would be watching Infinity Wars 2 before End Game. Disney execs saw the $1 billion Captain Marvel box office and just plain misread the room. They thought there was a massive audience for a female led superhero movie, inclusive of gay and straight women but excluding anyone that has a penis dangling between their hairy legs. The problem was there is no massive Barbie like female audience for that movie, and since they wrote off the core male fanbase by not including any male they could relate to, there was no one showing up at theaters.

[@randomfeller]

Captain Marvel was *never* popular. It was required watching for End Game or it would have never reached $1 billion. It was an explicitly bad movie and she was rarely sprinkled in other shows because it amounted to adding rat droppings atop your crème brûlée. Her comics don’t sell either. The best part of Captain Marvel is Rogue sucking the powers from her because Rogue is an infinitely more interesting character.

[@eldonwatson7161]

It's the shortest runtime too, even the studio had no faith in the project!

[@daredevil6145]

They should just end here, lol 😂😂

[@budthecyborg4575]

ESG killed Marvel. Anything produced with "diversity first" automatically tanks in production quality, because you can't have the best production quality when half the people working on it weren't hired for their talent.

[@SugarRushTimes2030-gs3qp]

Ironically the most anticipated MCU film since Endgame is Deadpool 3 which is usually a comedy, but at the same time Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine will no doubt balance it out - with smart, clever, and sincere writing of course, if they drop the ball again 🤞hope not, it will truly be over and a hard reboot will be in order

[@hypersleepdialogues8889]

Great video man. Well thought out points, and i think possibly very accurate. Dont let the radicals on each side of the culture war get to you. Ive been reading marvel comics for many decades, and i generally love the MCU, but the last few years have been rough. Gotta call it like it is, most of Phase 4 has been objectively terrible. Here's to hoping they can get back on track.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@tirthpatel1932]

The first Captain Marvel was following films like Endgame and Infinity War. The hype around every single Marvel project was just sky high. This time around, 'The Marvels' had to be a part of declining franchise with people losing their interest in it.

[@conspiracytalks199]

ant man 2 came between iw and endgame only made 600m

[@hemantks4353]

​@@conspiracytalks199Antman 2 didn't came at 2019. Few months before Endgame

[@conspiracytalks199]

but after infinty war amidst hype...@@hemantks4353

[@tylerrumfelt3353]

Maybe captain marvel as a comic character is just lame, there is a reason rouge got to take her powers, much rather have that XD

[@lukerota1547]

A sequel to the most unlikable character in the MCU, not cushioned by the two biggest films in the franchise, co-starring two characters most people haven't even heard of, smack dab at the height of superhero fatigue, using the same played out formula even Disney admits is past it's prime, doubling down on the identity politics, and finally making it to the big screens after years of rescheduling and rewrites… What could possibly go wrong? Apparently everything!

[@MrKingYuji]

I think Captain America: Civil War is the best MCU film so far as far as bringing together multiple storylines and character arcs. It’s a true sequel to Captain America 2, but it’s also a direct follow up to Avengers 2, a Black Panther origin movie, and sets up 5 MCU films (Black Panther, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Infinity War and Antman 2). So it’s possible for a MCU to have a film to build from multiple films.

[@jdolan74]

Here are my reasons why this movie flopped: 1. Disney+ exists- no one feels the need to rush out and see this. 2. MCU fanbase has become super toxic. 3. Too much MCU content - there were so many MCU projects this year, so there’s just fatigue. 4. Box Office overall is down. 5. You had to watch too many things to understand the plot of this movie - it really should have gone straight to Disney+ 6. Loki Season 2 finale the same night this opened and a lot of people waited to binge so they’re just more interested in that than this. 7. The reviews were not great, basically a B - so again people didn’t feel the need to see this. 8. Barbie and Taylor Swift were the female movies of the year and at this point there’s just not enough women who go to movies at the rate men do. 9. Marvel is making too many movies for women and this is just not this brand’s target market. 10. Secret Invasion was a massive misfire and as good as Ms Marvel was, not enough people watched it. And Photon was in a show that was almost 3 years ago and no one really talks about her. The MCU has gotten too big and it cannot service all of these characters now. Okay now I’m gonna watch the video and see how close we came.

[@emmon5377]

agreed, great list

[@LTJfan]

Honestly, the movie feels like it should've been a Disney+ movie

[@StaticBlaster]

These MCU movies need to be direct sequels to theatrical releases NOT sequels to shows on streaming platforms. A lot of people don't have enough time to be watching a complete series.

[@BaithNa]

There's only one reason this movie failed, its a poorly made movie on every level. Even with everything else going against it, this movie could have succeeded if it was a well made movie and both the critics and the fans loved it but that's not the case. The best thing people can say about this movie is that it was "fun", which means its a bad movie but kids and low IQ adults will enjoy it for its jokes, action and special effects.

[@GeekBlvd]

@SeanChandlerTalksAbout you make really great points. I’ll be reviewing the film next week and honestly I wasn’t excited from the get go. Never really liked Captain Marvel in the MCU and she was never developed fully as a character so my expectations are pretty low at this point. I hope Marvel sees this as a wake up call because I’m a diehard fan of the franchise and just want these movies to succeed. But if the mediocrity continues why should I care anymore? It sucks that I feel that way.

[@LegoJourney]

My friend who watches every single marvel movie and tv show skipped The Marvels which shocked me!

[@grizzlytaylor]

You nailed it with all these points---they are targeting too small of a market with a property & characters that audiences are not enthusiastic for. That said, I sincerely hope they can figure out a good story & position for Iman Vellani because she's one of the few gems "post-Endgame." Forget the Young Avengers, add Kate Bishop to Ms. Marvel 2, give them a bigger story within the MCU, build the characters and their relationship with each other, and have them contribute to a greater central conflict. They also need to stop with the multiverse shit, it's overplayed, it ruins any stakes and consequences and suspense, and writers have no idea how to standardize the rules in a way that makes sense.

[@TheDJEnrique]

great review. fair and reflective of a lot of my views . i actually had no idea what the movie was about based off the reviews. all i knew was it was about 3 female characters who’s powers rotated. ok why is that a movie I should care about ? who’s the villain? why is there dancing and singing? i was confused by the trailers not excited to go see it

[@catsofsherman1316]

Some excellent thoughts there Sean. I personally passed on this one after having been a huge mcu fan and comic book reader and collector for many years. I can't speak to the quality or lack thereof of the film itself. I don't know that the actors going on talk shows wouldn't have done more harm than good for the bottom line. Every time Brie or some other woke Hollywood person goes on social justice rant, Nerdrotic, Ryan Kinnell, etc clip it and run with it ad nauseum in dozens of videos. One thing that I think you missed when talking about the culture war aspect is who fired the first shots in the culture war. The studios consciously decided to actively marginalize the demographic that has been it's largest supporter from the comics to the movies. They are not being subtle in diminishing the white male characters. The Blackrock mandated DEI initiatives try to elevate the women and minorities by pushing down the white male characters. They make all the white males either stupid and incompetent or evil. Examples: Luke Skywalker and Han Solo in the sequel trilogy and Indiana Jones in his most recent movie. They can only get away with that for so long before people start noticing and tune out. So the Marvels flops and Blackrock gives Disney a huge influx of cash so there are no consequences for alienating their most loyal and fervent audience. Marvel movies used to be events that I looked forward to for months before they came out. I have skipped several of them in the last couple of years starting with Eternals. You can say that there is a toxic fandom, but that doesn't take account of the extent that they have been attacked for simply liking the classic characters and stories that they had. Just like in the real world, if you try to elevate a group of people by pushing another group down there is going to be significant backlash. This leftist Hollywood social engineering only works when people turn up or tune in to see the product. Marvel and Disney in general have gone from bait and switch to no bait at all. Disney shareholders should file a class action lawsuit against the company for failing to meet it's fiduciary duty to earn profit. They have prioritized social messaging over creating a product with maximum broad interest in the marketplace. I would much rather watch Friday Night Tights for free on KZbin than go see the recent lineup of Marvel content.

[@unkown34x33]

Dude... Me as a fan, I didn't asked for captain Marvel movie. I don't asked for ms Marvel, which god damn she's annoying... I didn't asked for Monica rainbow, that said that Scarlett witch did good. She didn't! Spoiler alert. Endgame was endgame. And finally... Blaming me for sexism and racism. I roll my eyes

[@daChief-khalife]

Same

[@cavman1590]

You forgot that there are several people out there that just don't want to support Disney anymore. they have lost faith in Disney products

[@awakenedsoul]

Good excuse

[@_Zane__]

I dont really give a flip about the disney marvel universe anymore. People are burned out on bluescreen CGI garbage.

[@vortext1566]

Feels like someone sat down and wrote my thoughts exactly. GGs.

[@rockinrobin9093]

I’ve always thought of the “superhero movie” as a pretty basic formula like in mathematics or science. You can stick to the basics with hero, villain, conflict, act one to three, stakes etc. Or you can add some extra layers/terms to the equation to make it more complicated. But it ultimately depends on what you plug into the variables and parameters like characterisation, character relations, medium expectations, style, themes etc that spits out a “solution” to the formula that hopefully doesn’t look like many other superhero movies seen before. And when it works, this solution can be more than the sun of its parts. But when creators end up putting the same tropes, archetypes and plot beats into the formula, they’re just not doing justice to the “genre” of superhero movies. Hence, “superhero fatigue”.

[@sidsingh9165]

I feel like another thing was people didn't really know who the villain was.

[@andyfilmsandhikes]

While I mostly agree with you on most of these things. I will say the strike had a bigger affect than what you’re giving it credit for. I know for a fact that the studios scaled back their influencer marketing because most influencers with significant following would not promote struck work. So most studios, scrapped influencer marketing. I know for one studio they actually had to let go of their influencer marketing head due to the strike. Now, would that have been enough to significantly change the box office? I don’t know. But the strike did not just affect the actors in the film. Studios had to pivot away from organic and paid influencer marketing to get the word out… which I think hurt them, but there’s no real way to quantify it.

[@mustafachoudhury3368]

FNAF

[@T_R_O_Y_McClure]

I could agree in most cases, but this is a marvel sequel. Which is a brand that has basically sold itself for awhile. I would argue it would be the brand least affected by the strike.

[@alexboyajian2096]

I think its very telling the Marvel or Disney decided to put Tom Hiddleston on Jimmy Fallon right away, instead of the stars of the marvels. Just shows even they knew which was better

[@kcnoise]

Here's another quick take: Disney STOPPED LISTENING TO ITS AUDIENCE. We told you we DON'T want woke movies. All of the woke Hollywood content has been a disaster upon release. But they did it anyway and it was easy to see the golden goose going down like the Titanic.