Taken from JRE #1497 w/Joe Schilling: • Joe Rogan Experience #...
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@morganbartman60924 жыл бұрын
I’m on the coaches side for the first 45 seconds. Give the kid as much encouragement to get back in there but a a certain point. When he’s said call it 5 times. You gotta know that kid doesn’t have it
@lt.generalofsalt42734 жыл бұрын
I think the coach just thought he was pussin out .... his coach would never make him fight if he honestly thought he couldn’t do it ... that’s why he told the reff to call it too when the ref asked , that let him know he was serious
@charlieeleftheriadis96463 жыл бұрын
Facts
@Thawhid3 жыл бұрын
@@lt.generalofsalt4273 well put
@foryourlugsonly3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I thought, give him all the encouragement you can but when the whistle goes and the ref is about to start the round and he is still sitting there saying call it, then you call it man
@allainangcao282 жыл бұрын
He knew he could get seriously injured, it’s not that he not prepared it is when you know that you could have CTE and end up like Gerald McClellan who is currently paralyzed and lost 95% of his hearing. He doesn’t want to end up like that. Edit: Joe also mentions Gerald went blind so if you still want to say Max should have continued fighting, go somewhere else and get away from combat sports if you want to see peoples’ lives and careers end with one severe injury.
@roflmao21334 жыл бұрын
it really sucks we can't watch what they're watching
@roflmao21334 жыл бұрын
@Liam Foster I don't, does that mean I can't be interested?
@morphkogan86274 жыл бұрын
@Liam Foster cringe
@roflmao21334 жыл бұрын
@Google User hopefully!
@kevinb3144 жыл бұрын
For sure!! It’s the most annoying thing. I get why, because KZbin is stupid and Joe is high profile. But soo annoying
@roflmao21334 жыл бұрын
@@kevinb314 LOL I feel you bud
@jeno53474 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for Brendan to change his mind now that Rogan said this
@JBOM-qp8nq4 жыл бұрын
Hahahah facts dude
@Cryptum4044 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@joeyhernandez59804 жыл бұрын
brenda slob? great guy... never met him
@carsonwentz83014 жыл бұрын
Brenda? I don't get this debate. The fighter can always tell the ref he's done. If the fighter doesn't trust his gut over his coach, that's on him, not the coach
@j.a.r.family25764 жыл бұрын
So true!!!
@jamieldn2 жыл бұрын
The kid took the fight 5 day notice for the money. He looked drained and possibly cut too much weight without a proper camp against an experienced pro who was ready and had a full camp. Had nothing left after the second round and felt like dying. Pretty courageous move to go against his coach and take himself out of there bc you can get hurt badly in this sport. He's back now and won his last two fights since then. Good luck to him.
@blackdaripper4 жыл бұрын
Respect to rogan, he knows his boxing even boxers from england. Nigel Benn was the man back then, his wars with Eubanks were classics
@Vudoo134 жыл бұрын
The Dark Destroyer, what a killer.
@bslygh4 жыл бұрын
McKellen is the guy who don king convinced him to fire Stewart and hire a guy who couldn't speak English for his corner. if I remember right there was something up with the ref as well. Fuck Don king. I can't remember why don king wanted to get rid of Manny tho money, power, or both I think. Can't say it enough fuck don king
@replynotificationsdisabled4 жыл бұрын
A Prayer Before Dawn is an amazing movie. Check it out peeps.
@Moari4lyfe14 жыл бұрын
He don't know shit about boxing 😂
@Tabish294 жыл бұрын
@@Moari4lyfe1 you know more than him. We know.
@tomdrake37874 жыл бұрын
Understand Max wanting to stop, but I don't blame the coach for trying to motivate his fighter
@tomatoesofdoom4 жыл бұрын
@Zachary Hoy go find a girlfriend you angry weirdo And dont start beating her either
@itsdecaylsd5514 жыл бұрын
Zachary Hoy Are you mentality challenged?
@carolsmith56894 жыл бұрын
@Zachary Hoy 🤦♂️
@Trackformers3 жыл бұрын
There is a point where its not "motivating" him anymore. There is a point where he simply doesn't do what the fighter literally asks him.. CALL IT x 7 times.. That ain't motivating that is neglecting your fighter.
@Trackformers3 жыл бұрын
@Dankenstein If u wanna coach do your job..
@evanodum5634 жыл бұрын
I see why his coach was encouraging him. He won the first round imo. However the short notice fight had his cardio not up to par and its ok that he quit. Last thing we need is a death from a cardiac event in the cage. This isnt boxing. People dont need to die while competing
@OIFIIIOIF-VET4 жыл бұрын
Oh you mean like Dada 5000 and Kimbo when Dada had a heart attack? lol
@ziggs1234 жыл бұрын
Perfectly summed up 👍
@carsonwentz83014 жыл бұрын
The fighter can always stop the fight. He can tap or just tell the ref he's done.
@OACSOME4 жыл бұрын
Carson Wentz but he can’t.
@zzz7zzz94 жыл бұрын
he wasn't going to DIE ffs. he always has the option to tap out or verbally quit. he 100% would have still been in control of his own health. bet he regretted quitting on his stool 5 minutes later.
@steventaylorgroom3 жыл бұрын
i feel the kid on this one. back when i played highschool football, i tried to get the coach to pull my out because i felt something was wrong. the coach screamed at me and refused. it wasnt fear, but that very next down i went in for a tackle and my leg ended up under the other teams qb completely destroying my knee and keeping me from ever playing another sport again
@aymankhali9043 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that, what exactly happened to your knee?
@Topazvexen2 жыл бұрын
My condolences to you for that. Also, that coach is a piece of work.
@Realmomad2 жыл бұрын
sorry mate,I hope you are doing fine much love
@caspercasper54132 жыл бұрын
High school? Coach was playing for his ego at that point
@randlemarsh2 жыл бұрын
Let me guess, they yanked your division 1 offers after that?
@VoidBL4 жыл бұрын
Boxing is different though they literally get knocked out and they let them recover to probably get knocked out again. There's way more brain damage in boxing.
@a.a.h.s.23454 жыл бұрын
And the gloves allow for more repeated concussive force. It's easier to get caught clean and go out with 4 ounce gloves rather than get your brain rattled for 30 minutes with 8 ounce gloves.
@danleon31433 жыл бұрын
Don’t agree with that spinning heel to the head and you will never get up
@DanielM7963 жыл бұрын
@@danleon3143 yea but how many spinning heel hook knockouts do you really see in mma not very many. Sure a spinning heel hook ko is more devastating but u dont really see almost anyone throw it where as punches every fighter throws them and in boxing thats literally their only form of doing damage. Mma u have more ways to win other than just knocking ur opponent out such as submissions, kicks to the body hell some fights even end in leg kicks. With boxing you're primary target is the head and getting repeated blows there throughout many fights ultimately makes boxing more prone to brain damage than any other combat sport
@GRANDxMEME3 жыл бұрын
@@DanielM796 FACT
@WarrenKirkpatrick3 жыл бұрын
@@DanielM796 completely agree, I always use the example of a 10 seconds window, if you had 10 seconds to inflict as much damage, you might get 2 maybe 3 spinning kicks, but with boxing, just imagine how many hooks they can land in 10 seconds... a hell of a lot and that damage is compound.
@ericwilliams29804 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Stephen A.Smith was commentatinh on this😂😂😂
@carolsmith56894 жыл бұрын
HE QUIT IN THERE
@j.d.83214 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@danzigmcnaniel52264 жыл бұрын
Do you think he’d be yelling?
@jaradrichardsC1374 жыл бұрын
Im sure he will at some point
@lemongeezer11574 жыл бұрын
Hate to admit it, but he was right about Cowboy quitting though.
@bennylevine3874 жыл бұрын
The one thing I will say is that old-school boxing trainers knew how to end a fight when a fighter wanted to quit without the whole world knowing the fighter quit. I don't blame the trainer for encouraging him, but having an overt quit vs. don't quit argument in plain view isn't really doing your fighter any favors from a PR perspective. There are better ways to handle it.
@ippop4pking3054 жыл бұрын
Nigel Benn would be a sick guest on the show
@karljonson32874 жыл бұрын
Idk what people are debating about this honestly. Its a perfectly normal response from the fighter and the coach.
@JBOM-qp8nq4 жыл бұрын
Cause there isn’t anything else to talk about in mma
@kyle15384 жыл бұрын
@@JBOM-qp8nq correct
@AT-qy4jq4 жыл бұрын
cause the little mermaid reporter want to make it a big deal
@Travvv944 жыл бұрын
To prevent death's in the cage
@JustMeELC4 жыл бұрын
Because it shouldn't be perfectly normal ffs!
@mindaugasmazrimas45544 жыл бұрын
Here's my useless thought on the situation. The coach spends more time around his fighter more than anyone else. For however many weeks for camp theyre around eachother for what is probably 6hrs a day depending on the schedule. The coaches have a good understanding of what a fighter is capable of and how much he can push him. If the fighter is prone to hitting a mental wall at a certain point in a fight, the coach is there to break it down. Sure, you could argue that once the fighter says hes done, call it done but some fighters need that nudge because they cant muster it up themselves. Personally, I think coaches should Err on the side of caution and just throw in the towel if the fighter requests it because 30 seconds is not enough time judge if the fighter needs motivation or he's seriously hurt and needs serious medical attention. So let the guy live to fighter another day and let him take the L and work on pushing past mental barriers in camp if it turns out that the problem wasnt life or death. Nobody wants these guys to die in the cage/ring so lets keep these people safe or as safe as possible in a sport where theyre kicking and punching each other in the head
@jagsfan69882 жыл бұрын
He took the fight on 5 days notice don’t know how much time they spent together
@michaelpryor789 ай бұрын
It's actually the opposite. Coaches who have been around a fighter forever have an emotional attachment to both the fighter and the fight. They don't see reality the way an outside observer does. Every coach wants to believe in his guy. Every coach wants to be the coach that talked their fighter off a cliff and then had them turn it around. This is an area where boxing kicks MMA's ass, and it's because coaches are chastised for not being an adult when a fight should be stopped.
@ryabm14044 жыл бұрын
Everyones should read what the fighter had to say in his interview recently, he said thats what he expects his coach to do and he commended him for it. If a true fighter doesn't want to fight noone can convince him to but himself and he knows this
@nickniesman70134 жыл бұрын
Unless your head has been beat in and the lights are on but no one is home. Plenty of fighters get knocked down and get back up but arent even there anymore. So many fighters think its second round but the fight is over. They fight multiple rounds without even knowing they did it. A fighter cant protect himself quite often
@ryabm14044 жыл бұрын
@@nickniesman7013 I agree with your points of disorientation, not knowing the round all these things are true. As a man, a human, the fact is no on is going to force you into that ring, you decide. Thats a fact unless your referring to situations where they physically force a fighter into a ring.
@JustMeELC4 жыл бұрын
Every fighter says the same thing.... My corner did exactly what I wanted smh. Encourage yes... ignoring after NINE+ TIMES fighter says call it NO! Too many corners don't put their fighters health & wellness first & it's got to stop!
@SkarmauFlage4 жыл бұрын
Ethan Seal Anthony pettis quit against tony Ferg he knew he wasn’t going to win people who don’t train can call fighters quitters but at the day end he saved his self from sever damage that ungrateful fans don’t have to experience.
@giodalba15374 жыл бұрын
M Batch Pettus quit because he had a broken hand
@sweetbabyray424 жыл бұрын
Not everyone needs to go out on their shield.
@sachemgromiller18994 жыл бұрын
I believe in going out on my shield, but I dont believe someone should be frowned upon for not sharing my foolish sentiments.
@cavemanlovesmoke43944 жыл бұрын
@King Delevingne I'd love to see ur punk ass fight at this level.
@scrumpoxjnr4 жыл бұрын
Agree. If this was a title fight it would be different, particularly if it's later in the fighters career - but the kid is young and took this one on short notice. If he was getting beat up too badly and his brain was in a fog or whatever he's well within his rights to take the L and come back stronger next time
@0tto94 жыл бұрын
@King Delevingne jump in the ring with him then tough guy.
@aaronforsythe85564 жыл бұрын
@austin M Nate diaz was like that before all the fights
@weindafieldhouse86194 жыл бұрын
People should be much more upset at smiths coaches. He took so much more damage, had nearly no path to victory, and only said my teeth are falling out between round 4-5
@qaz-fi1id4 жыл бұрын
What fight?
@carlcrawford38304 жыл бұрын
It was Smith Vs teixeira
@Justice4Skye4 жыл бұрын
They were not ALLOWED to stop it. Anthony Smith said that if his corner ever stops one of his fights, they are immediately fired. They made that deal to be in his corner. They have 0 blame.
@EclecticBuddha4 жыл бұрын
@@Justice4Skye The corner has the legal responsibility to stop the fight. Smith should have his purse docked and his coaches should be barred from cageside by the commission for a year for agreeing to that.
@Dissenter4 жыл бұрын
@@Justice4Skye Smith's teeth learned that was a dumb idea, the bad way.
@theg35project504 жыл бұрын
HEY JOE AND EDITORS LISTEN TO YOUR VIEWERS!!! IF YOU PULL UP SOMETHING THAT WONT BE A COPYSTRIKE LET IT PLAY ON SCREEN!!!
@wilard954 жыл бұрын
Lol
@MaghoxFr4 жыл бұрын
There's a video of Benn meeting McClelland years later, on a wheelchair. Man, it's one of the toughest things I've seen.
@craigsmart19864 жыл бұрын
According to an article in The Observer, McClellan participated in dog fighting.[14][15] McClellan's trainer and family admitted that McClellan was involved with fighting pitbulls, and on one occasion had used tape to bind the jaws of a Labrador shut before allowing his pet pitbull "Deuce" to kill it" Fuck that dude
@cwbyfan934 жыл бұрын
Craig Smart Wow and just like that I’m happy that dudes life got fucked up the way it did. He deserves every ounce of pain he gets and I hope it’s a lot
@MajorCB2114 жыл бұрын
@@cwbyfan93 thats such an ignorant thing to say. the guy and his whole family will suffer for the rest of their lives due to this. nothing could justify the pain caused, even some mistakes he made in his earlier life.
@cwbyfan934 жыл бұрын
justCiaranYT I feel bad for his family of course. I can’t imagine. But Mclelland? Nah. That’s some pure evil shit that he did. He might be a nice guy but that evil exists in his heart, his soul, and his very being. And I don’t have sympathy for any individual in any condition who has that sort of evil inside of them
@MaghoxFr4 жыл бұрын
@@craigsmart1986 was talking about Benn
@captainstubbing14 жыл бұрын
I always look for Joe's context on these debates. Its refreshing and always helps me to understand all view points.
@joebanks95294 жыл бұрын
The Benn fight was crazy
@Dissenter4 жыл бұрын
He was a warrior (his first fight with Eubank was great too), but turned into a chicken when hearing Roy Jones or James Toney's names.
@User-is2kf4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for rogan to talk about Mike Perry GF corning
@hardwellland64074 жыл бұрын
Bahahahahahaha
@Dr.Gainzzz4 жыл бұрын
That's a subject I fear he won't cover for awhile lol
@pokerace4204 жыл бұрын
took fight on 5 days notice...... went 2 hard rounds..... full camp he could go 3
@usamahafeez91524 жыл бұрын
I always think of this fight when fighters want to stop. Im glad Joe mentioned this.
@Tohdette3 жыл бұрын
I love watching Joe Rogan reacting to a youtube video that I cant see, really adds to the entertainment value of the video.
@vernonhampton58634 жыл бұрын
Benn vs McClellan had one of the scariest endings I'd ever seen in sports. Not just boxing, but sports.
@eddy46884 жыл бұрын
It was the one of the greatest fights, obviously a shame what happened to McCellan though.
@nicholasroman19154 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know if they'll be able to show the clips in screen when they move to Spotify
@mikehunt-hertz80204 жыл бұрын
Man that video where Nigel is with Gerald and his wife is a tear jerker. It really shows how many lives that one fight impacted.
@elihernandez8004 жыл бұрын
"That was a wild fight, Nigel Benn had those crazy dreadlocks" -- Joe Rogan 2020
@drinkspecials4 жыл бұрын
like Joe said Only the fighter knows. dude stayed in fight until he realized he was in danger
@xwhite20204 жыл бұрын
Danger? It was a cage fight. Danger was supposed to be there.
@ispartacus13374 жыл бұрын
You listen to your fighter. Period. That's terrible corner work. I may have agreed if I'd never seen the Tyson vs Golata fight. Golata looked completely fine even got booed out of the arena when he quit. Turns out the dude was seriously injured. Detached retina fractured jaw and a list of other injuries. But I cant stress how normal he looked. Always listen to the fighter, when hes had enough hes had enough. Golata could have died from the next punch from a normal boxer. He was fighting Tyson.
@rickfrompawnstars55504 жыл бұрын
“It’s entirely possible”
@Quodge4 жыл бұрын
Can you post a link to the original clip?
@chrisweber60904 жыл бұрын
I recommend everyone watches the Gman Benn documentary it’s my favorite doc ever. It’s something else
@yobum18944 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Rogan explain fights for hours without seeing the actual fight
@CamEraFitnessChannel4 жыл бұрын
Remember that Benn fight like it was yesterday. Benn showed heart like I'd rarely seen before or since in that ring. He was never the same himself after!! Real life Rocky moment!
@oninoyakamo4 жыл бұрын
Link to the fight Rogan is talking about, please?
@nothankyoutube4 жыл бұрын
What difference is there between quitting in that moment vs tapping?
@TheUsurperJoffreyBaratheon4 жыл бұрын
There’s honestly no controversy in this situation, the coach tried to encourage his fighter for the whole minute, the fighter said no and the fight was called off, that’s the most the coach could do.
@gh0un2 жыл бұрын
Bullshit. The fighter kept saying "call it" and the coach kept not doing it all the way until the bell rang. At that point the coach has to call it. What you wanna force your fighter to fight because the bell rang and you didn't call it despite him telling you to? Absolute shit take. The coach can fuck off.
@justmethenetherlands22183 жыл бұрын
Seems like a sensible boy who knows when he's beaten. Continuing against his better judgment and incurring damage, he has no use for the future.
@Mawzeen3 жыл бұрын
"Maybe it was a good thing he stopped" I really like that statement
@rungeon833 жыл бұрын
Joe is spot on! The nigel benn fight is a perfect example of people having their lives destroyed because they're taking far too much punishment and we need to stop fights sooner, I'd rather fights stop to soon than see a guy hurt.
@Revo20113 жыл бұрын
We all have a limit and this young dude found his, no shame in it, respect for stepping in the octagon.
@enkibumbu3 жыл бұрын
Schilling will be fighting for extra cigarettes soon.
@milano64224 жыл бұрын
He thought Joe Rogan would agree with him on this, kept quiet for 5 minutes when he realized that wasn't the case
@HopeAndrea_HFG4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was awkward😁
@purplemonkeyelephant4 жыл бұрын
It's casual discussion. He said sometimes fighters need motivation, Joe said some fighters know they're done. They're both right
@thetruthwillsetyoufree92094 жыл бұрын
@@purplemonkeyelephant yep, it's not binary, not black or white.
@mr.hgorgan18124 жыл бұрын
i believe it was OK for the coach to try and motivate the fighter, but the kid nearly begged to not continue, and that should have made the coach to accept the situation. Regardless how well they know each other etc etc, the trainer cannot 100% understand what his fighter goes through in that specific moment
@BeatdownGG4 жыл бұрын
@ man, having compassion for humans means hes shilling. Don't you have an egirl to simp on somewhere?
@shrapnel774 жыл бұрын
McClellan fought Julian Jackson before that fight. Jackson was a devastating puncher and hit Gerald with some hard shots. Jackson eventually got TKO'd, but some of his shots could have had a snowball effect on Gerald.
@Mr.Agent.G3 жыл бұрын
Schilling will be punking people for extra bread slices and peanut butter packets soon.
@brianwilhelm37772 жыл бұрын
Prolly but only if theyre drunk as🤬holes or jack'n in his bathroom 🤔
4 жыл бұрын
It’s the fighter’s decision, period.
@Thulgore4 жыл бұрын
I punched MYSELF in the jaw as hard as I could as a teenager (to impress a girl that I wasn't even attracted to). I played it off, for the rest of the day at work I felt like I wasn't quite actually in reality. I never did that stunt again. That was over 20 years ago but I still remember the sensation of doing my job (bagging groceries) while feeling like I was just controlling a robot. I did my job well, no one noticed, but I was designated driver for my body that day, I wasn't in my body. I honestly don't know how to describe it. Your body may break down and you may feel bad about it, but at least you can feel bad and remember what it once was or what it could be like. Losing your mind means you aren't you ever again. Living dead. (which is probably the best way to describe how I felt that day)
@jordandoyle15344 жыл бұрын
I just hope that max takes this as a learning opportunity, and doesn’t decide to give up, because even though he gassed out in the first, he showed some true talent. He just needs to be willing to learn from this, Or if he feels like he wasn’t properly prepared for the ufc environment then maybe he should consider switching camps
@bradywordsworth77253 жыл бұрын
He was on 5 day notice, credit to him for stepping in that octagon
@jaw39642 жыл бұрын
Here after schilling finally got a win. It was vs an extremely drunk guy in a bar that Joe sucker punched, but a wins a win. Congrats Joe
@11ASCT3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the Benn fight, scary shit
@KillyJoe4 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if Roy Jones fought mcclean in their primes.
@ragingbull31574 жыл бұрын
I remember that fight joe. It was pure brutality at its height. Gerald was a beast. God bless him
@chohawk13 жыл бұрын
Saw highlights of the fight, and the outcome was so brutally bleak... Saw Gerald McClellan in an interview taken after 6 years, and his condition was heartbreaking... Saw Nigel Benn vs. Gerald McClellan after 12 years of the incident, and that shit had me in tears...
@ragnarlodbrok12334 жыл бұрын
Coach wasn't that wrong, but the fighter was absolutely not in the wrong!!!!
@mmmyum47794 жыл бұрын
@King Delevingne ok, armchair warrior
@TRIIGGAVELLI4 жыл бұрын
@@mmmyum4779 He's not wrong though. The greats just don't quit.
@funkyjunkn96594 жыл бұрын
2 wrongs sorta made it right lol
@user-hh2is9kg9j4 жыл бұрын
Now I need to look up the fight they were talking about 😣 anyone got a link.
@aaron4walg4 жыл бұрын
McClellan vs benn it’s on yt..
@user-hh2is9kg9j4 жыл бұрын
@@aaron4walg Thanks
@huflungdung82522 жыл бұрын
Joe didn't mention that Benn hit Gerald with dozens of rabbit punches.
@HarperJones4 жыл бұрын
Link?
@chriskb24954 жыл бұрын
I think they’re both right and it just depends on the situation. At the VERY LEAST, you need 100% transparent communication between coach and fighter. When you’re exhausted you’re not gonna speak eloquently so the coach needs to know the difference between somethings seriously wrong or the fighters just having a hard time with the bright lights cause the words and demeanor can be the same. Whichever the case is, you NEED the communication no matter what.
@MenacingSnail Жыл бұрын
Only sane comment
@sumuqh4 жыл бұрын
I like how Joe paints a picture of past fights like how big the fight was & all
@philipmalaby81724 жыл бұрын
I always think of GSP telling his coach that his groin was torn and his coach said ‘hit him with your groin!’
@jdizzled41144 жыл бұрын
Benn vs Gerald one of the most underrated fights in history
@JAw17294 жыл бұрын
It’s super hard to watch knowing what happened to McClennan
@jdizzled41144 жыл бұрын
@@JAw1729 great fight is a great fight regardless of what happened after
@PacMan78Classic4 жыл бұрын
Joe summarized almost what happened to Gerald McClellan.... Almost. What actually happened was Gerald won the belt from Julian "the Hawk" Jackson a couple fights before and to describe the fight as anything less than a war would be an understatement. When you put 2 of the hardest punchers in boxing history against each other in the G Man vs the Hawk, someone is getting KOd violently. Gerald proved to have the better chin. Absorbing powerful punches that have put every other opponent to sleep. Jackson was ultimately KOd in the 5th round and after the fight Gerald during his interview said Julian punches very hard and would need to sleep a few days straight to rid himself of the terrible headache he had after the fight. During a sparring session with fellow Kronk Gym fighter Tarick Salmaci in training afterwards, McClellan was hit with a jab and this caused the session to be terminated. Gerald claimed that he had gotten thumbed in the eye but a little later in the locker room he told Salmaci he was seriously hurt by the jab. Salmaci noted that after he hit Gerald with the jab, McClellan began blinking rapidly just as he did in the fight against Benn and this was a year before the infamous fight with Benn. Once you take this into consideration and go back and watch the fights against Jackson, then rewatch the entire fight in London vs Benn, only then can you really appreciate the warrior the G Man truly was. This is not to take anything away from Nigel Benn because he did afterall get the W, but he had LOTS of help in getting it. Im not trying to make excuses for McClellan losing but if you go back and watch the fight you cant argue with what happened. From the ref constantly impeding Gerald from finishing Benn (who was the hometown hero) to the no test for steroids which Benn admittedly would have failed for if tested for steroids, the list goes on...... Im not directly blaming Jackson either. Im only bringing it to the attention of those who dont know Gerald's history before his fight with Benn. Gerald's granite chin actually worked against him in many ways because he was able to take shots that would knock anyone else out & keep coming forward. Benn was a hell of a hard puncher but he wasnt a Julian Jackson hard puncher. I think it was the 8th round when Benn swung at Gerald and missed causing him to stumble forward and accidently headbutt Gerald in the face. Actually more like the eye area but that was the beginning of the end for the G Man who still fought back valiantly for the next 2 rounds but ultimately he took a knee followed immediately by another knee where he allowed the ref to count him out. Then he walked back to his corner & before they could get the stool under his ass, he slumped in his corner. His trainer squirted water on his head to which he replied "that shit feels like its inside my head" seconds later he was unconscious. He woke up in the ambulance & asked his trainer what the fuck happened, I got knocked out? The doctors had to do emergency surgery to remove a blood clot that would have killed him had it not been removed and he was in a coma for almost 2 weeks. When he woke up he was completely blind and 80% deaf with difficulty comprehending words when spoken to. Its a tragic tale of the brutal reality of boxing and the risks the fighters put themselves at for the fans' entertainment. People like to make it seem as if Benn ran clean over the G Man but thats NOT nearly what happened. Not even close. Had Gerald not had the injury coming into the fight with Benn and was 100% healthy, Nigel Benn would NOT have made it through the 3rd round under any circumstances whatsoever. Few things are impossible but that would have been impossible on every level. No disrespect to Benn but the G Man was just on another level above everyone else. Who else could KO Julian Jackson not once but twice but the G Man himself? Go watch some Julian the Hawk Jackson highlights and some Gerald McClellan highlights. I rest my case
@jungshin87 Жыл бұрын
Based write-up very nice
@thestoik54404 жыл бұрын
Im not mad at the coach but he should've stopped the fight and saved the guy the sting of calling his own fight on national TV
@tomatoesofdoom4 жыл бұрын
@Zachary Hoy he sounds like an adult who can see the world past Black/White to me
@TV1stTime4 жыл бұрын
The fight with Julian Jackson is where the damage was done You could hear his speech change after that fight happen
@nostalgiaman68163 жыл бұрын
Glad someone brought that up
@davidca964 жыл бұрын
ooo ooo aaaa aaa the joe rowgunn text to speech
@pullt3 жыл бұрын
"He came out of it okay?" "No."
@mikemclean62424 жыл бұрын
Coach should stop the fight when the fighter can no longer win, especially when injured. But short of that...fighter should choose.
@alextownsend66624 жыл бұрын
Injury - ok. How do you determine can “no longer win”?!
@XxPunxunite4 жыл бұрын
@@alextownsend6662 oh shush. Stop looking for an argument. There's nothing wrong with what OP said
@jacobforeman6044 жыл бұрын
@@alextownsend6662 fatigue or a obvious concussion
@Dekartz4 жыл бұрын
@@XxPunxunite It's a valid question "Can no longer win" can mean behind on the scorecard. It could mean they're starting to gas out. It could mean a bunch of things and asking for clarification on a statement isn't looking for an argument.
@jerff54114 жыл бұрын
@@alextownsend6662 when the guy can barely fucking stand. He's not gonna win
@zachary5106 Жыл бұрын
This is insane Austin is from my area !! & this crazy how’s he’s made it so far !!
@mylescasey76644 жыл бұрын
Please show the footage while discussing it.
@nononsense58984 жыл бұрын
You get 20 seconds to get back in the ring it's not the normal 10 seconds for a knockdown
@jctai1004 жыл бұрын
McClellan story is sooo sad.
@zepole874 жыл бұрын
There is no discussion. If a fighter doesnt want to continue, thats it. Its over.
@lokithejokester5994 жыл бұрын
Max is known to quit on his self. The coach knew Max was like that. He was doing his job as a coach trying to get his fighter back into the fight. Read Max's interview he says the same thing.
@Alex-sg3yz4 жыл бұрын
there is always more than one way to look at something
@Dietze94 жыл бұрын
Than the fighter can do it himself and say it himself to the ref. Simple as
@thersten4 жыл бұрын
The real question is, does Rogan have a photographic memory?
@Bobbybianchi4 жыл бұрын
Remember when Pennington wanted to stop and then got her nose severely fucked up like two seconds later? Dom said it best, the athlete almost never wants to stop. This kid was gonna try and hit a single-leg, and then be helpless for the rest of the round knowing he took the fight on ten days and doesn’t have the gass tank, his corner isn’t gonna throw in the towel and dude he’s fighting isn’t gonna submit him. In boxing the best corners throw in the towel as soon as their fighter is taking unnecessary punishment or can no longer win, otherwise they jeopardize their fighters livelihood and career moving forward. Anthony Smith is still all about his coach, meanwhile I bet you anything he never fights the same again after that Glover fight. A coach’s job isn’t to force a fighter to participate when they feel they can’t, a coaches job is to provide fucking coaching to their fighter. Which sometimes means telling them it’s okay to call a fucking fight before suffering an injury that could result in a lay-off or potentially ruining their athletic career.
@jaxonluraschi86774 жыл бұрын
Your missing the point bud
@jaxonluraschi86774 жыл бұрын
Come at it In a way you understand. If you have ever been in an mma ,bjj,wrestling , kickboxing match think of it you go in there win round 1 lose round 2 and his safety was not at risk at all he was not injured just exhausted. I’d no doubt expect my coach to push me no matter what. Max is going to look back and regret this decision becuase in the moment extausted and tired I’ve made that same decision and if it weren’t for my coaches I would have lost all of these fights
@Pulsed1014 жыл бұрын
First time i've ever seen Joe Rogan with frown lines
@CingCasper4 жыл бұрын
Is there something Rogan doesn’t know?
@mickeyfromthesix50244 жыл бұрын
Rip to G Man 😞
@aaron4walg4 жыл бұрын
He’s not dead
@suckmex38994 жыл бұрын
If a fighter cant continue it's up to the fighter his coach and even the cage doc can stop the fight for whatever reason seems necessary. Cuts, dehydration, or even damage.
@BriceTooNice4 жыл бұрын
The difference is the coaches didn’t stop the fight. The ref did. The coaches were trying to force him to fight.
@acuralee4 жыл бұрын
I wish we could of seen what they were looking at... seems like Joe doesn’t really show the screen anymore.
@drphalanges15203 жыл бұрын
If the fighter wants to stop you have to let them. You can encourage them to go on, but if they insist, it's time to call it.
@darenanderson49614 жыл бұрын
I wish they would show us the screen that they are watching and talking about.
@sbreacts3 жыл бұрын
Max lives in my town lol
@LuckyDT4 жыл бұрын
Damn, I went and watched an interview with McClellan 6 years after the fight. Just a sad story, almost shed a tear for the guy.
@CRACKEDSCREEN Жыл бұрын
Joe Rogan sounds like Matt Hardy
@gavinmceneff56123 жыл бұрын
Nigel benn was never the same after this fight
@alishafi96454 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opnion: The corner was trying the best to motivate thier athlete to go into the next round. Although it is very difficult for fighters the corner has to try to keep thier fighter spirts up.
@mjriemen4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you. If you trust your trainer/cornerman, know hes a pro, and know he has your best interest at heart, than you know hes telling you the truth and what you need to do. Of course thats if you have a good trainer. Most guys, certainly myself want to quit after that first shot to the face. You brain goes “holy smokes, this sucks!” But your coach keeps you in the fight. Its just part of the sport. So many people think they are not capable of so much more than they are, especially in that environment. You need a good coach to keep you in the fight.
@rajunaidu77514 жыл бұрын
The coach said he was going to call the fight off if by the Bell his fighter didn't want to continue but the ref asked the fighter before he could call it off when the bell rang. The kid fought on 3 days notice and was drained from the weight cut. If anything he's a Hero for taking the fight on super short notice.
@LoSTRaMaiR4 жыл бұрын
You reminded me of Jamie Varner saying he couldn’t continue after getting hit in the balls by Cerrone
@zayors4 жыл бұрын
Joe “maybe you should call before the guy calls” rogan
@nickmorton23544 жыл бұрын
Zayors Bmx Joe “what a old tired joke you’re repeating” rogan
@zayors4 жыл бұрын
Joe “but I’m to dumb to realize I’m using it to” rogan
@nickmorton23544 жыл бұрын
Zayors Bmx no nice try 😆
@BillyTheKidder4 жыл бұрын
And people say Rogan isn’t a useful part of the UFC.. He is the best a giving context imo.
@marcgottlieb95794 жыл бұрын
A new mindset is required...If any fighter ever says I'm finished that's it..Sooner or later if forced to go on someone will die...Then the real shit hits the fan !
@lokithejokester5994 жыл бұрын
Read Max's interview. He quits on his self. He needs the coach to keep him in the fight.
@roarblast73324 жыл бұрын
That’s too extreme. I think coaches just need to be more sensitive about when a fighters done. Ask more questions. Learn how to figure your fighter out better. Maybe even have a sports psychologist on hand. Improvement can always be made without having to going too far in one direction. Problem with people is that it always has to be one way or the other. It’s like you can’t walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.
@roarblast73324 жыл бұрын
Jojoe. Once again, way too extreme. Sure, nothing is perfect. So that means what? Let rapists rape people because nothing is perfect? Let murderers kill because nothing is perfect? How about, we can make things better and let people do what they want at the same time. You know you can do things at the same time right? You want to completely throw out one side of the issue, while at the same time saying nothing is perfect. It’s a contradiction. You’re being a hypocrite, which is what being extreme leads you to.
@russell60754 жыл бұрын
@ Once a fight stops being competitive whats the point in sending a guy back out there to get ko'd
@Frost-kh9mg4 жыл бұрын
Russell You’ve clearly never seen a comeback fight huh?
@albertveneg28134 жыл бұрын
What’s the name of the guy they were talking about?
@b7031444 жыл бұрын
Gerald McClennen
@Mohawks_and_Tomahawks4 жыл бұрын
I mean, why does a fighter have to either get KO'd, or get the shit kicked out of him to lose a fight? When a guy is done, he's done, and he knows when his body has had enough. What's the difference in tapping out from a submission to tapping out from fatigue? The fight is over, right? I've been hit so hard, but still been conscious, and knew I was done. Nobody wants a death in the sport. IDK, just my thoughts. I don't hold anything against him.
@i_haveA_DUI9894 жыл бұрын
if he quits and regrets it that’s on him, props for even fighting tho
@sabationlayton58344 жыл бұрын
Coaches should do as they are told
@followyourideas4 жыл бұрын
Had he continued and won everyone would be praising the coach now.
@beardedcracker2354 жыл бұрын
Johnny woulda won the all valley tournament if ole pat didnt push danielson to crane kick him in the teeth lol.
@modest19894 жыл бұрын
Joe really took the conversation so far away from the point schilling was trying to make about the coach just trying to do his job and the criticism he's gotten for attempting to keep his fighter mentally in the fight