What Toyota Doesn’t Want you to Know

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Watching this back, I noticed that the talking heads pushing this narrative seem to intentionally use hybrid and plug-in hybrid interchangeably. This might be a bigger part of their strategy to confuse the public into thinking a hybrid and plugin the same. If you see examples of this online please submit them to our team here! bensullins.com/fud

[@OasisAmps]

@BenSullinsOfficial Hey ben no worries, EV’S will kill ICE in any form, naturally. Price will win. The 3k parts ICE engine and transmissions will never be cheap to build , service or maintain. Why OEM’S love it. Keeps people on he expensive service hamster wheel wheel that earn billions per year. No good for consumers, but they think they are better. Remember VCR's?? Betamax was far superior to VHS in every, but VHS won the popularity race. Why? Price!!. People could afford it, as prices fell and quality rose Betamax died. EV’S prices are dropping and range and quality are rising. It always happens with Electronics, greater performance and power at cheaper prices.

[@OasisAmps]

As a retired software engineer and used car dealer, we are promoting EV adoption and creating ways for people to earn income while saving on purches from their Green Technology investments, EV’S, Solar Panels, etc.

[@MsJustice4ever]

@@OasisAmps even used ICE cars, from a reputable manufacturer, will drive for more than a decade before any expensive engine parts are needed. My husband’s car is 14 years old, a CRDi diesel engine, and it still drives like new. Maintenance is routine servicing on schedule and yearly MOT. It’s not expensive to maintain at all. Given the astounding price difference between that car and equivalent size and equipped EVs, it would take decades to break even with the cost, after paying for and EV. How much will a new battery cost for your EV by the time costs would break even?

[@OasisAmps]

@MsJustice4ever your missing the point. EV’S are now and will continue to drop in price. Maintenance on EV’S are nonexistent in comparison even to diesel which is the most pollutioning of ICE engines. So the initial price difference is moot. But m9st of all any ICE vehicle keeps you a forced consumer of the massively polluting oil industry. If done correctly I can get my EV and home completely off the grid for the first time in human history. Imagine no external government or industry can wake up one day and raise the price of something you need everyday to live. We are at an inflection point. Ride the wave or ......

[@LeeWinkler]

Im not sure if its an intentional strategy but slapping "hybrid" on something is akin to what happened when we were kids.....everything was "turbo boost"..... RC cars had "turbo boost"...yes...electric RC cars... didnt matter that name meant nothing, but in general it meant EXTRA POWER and it was slapped on everything...even cleaners...It wasnt until i was older that i found out what a turbo actually was and understood how ridiculous that was. In summary I think you are right....HYBRID is a branding campaign without the teeth behind it.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

Unfortunately, the media have done such a good job hammering the public charging infrastructure, that it has a bad reputation that's going to take some time to correct. Meanwhile, as of yesterday, all of GM's EVs are now able to charge on Tesla's charging network. That adds 17,800 superchargers to the available locations where GM EV owners can charge their vehicles. Question: How many media outlets covered that development, showing how EV charging infrastructure just keeps improving?

[@davidpearn5925]

Only bad news sells.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@davidpearn5925they aren’t giving the bad news about gas car sales

[@amyself6678]

GM maybe can only charge at version 3 superchargers, 15000 as GM says, out of 50000. So maybe every 2 of 3 places won't be usable so it's a LONG way to drive between Tesla places GM cars can charge at? And old Bolts need a visit to dealer to update software. So yes Tesla access makes life better but GM I think knows some will be disappointed so aren't over hyping this event. I also have no idea of the PRICES that Tesla charges, is it a lot?

[@ikani1]

Given earlier this year I did a 10,000 mile road trip in a 2018 model 3 and had zero issues across two countries and 32 states and provinces, road trips in EVs are honestly just fine.

[@acoble9015]

Ben this might blow your mind... but the Amish LOVE solar. Their resistance to electricity was really about being dependent on the outside world. Now that they can own their own power generation solar panels are everywhere and they are all riding e-bikes. That does vary from community to community, but many communities have now adopted solar. So even in Amish country you can probably find a place to plug in.

[@joecushman6030]

Exactly! It blew my mind that the Amish drive EV’s fully charged on solar. They have been looked at as backward community but in reality are probably the most forward thinking people around.

[@krause79]

How is that not making them dependent on the outside world? Do they manufacture their own solar and eBikes?

[@jimthain8777]

That is so cool to hear. I'm not really surprised though, as they've always struck me as very practical people. That whole idea of owning your own power, is just so... powerful.

[@sakidickerson]

​@@krause79dependant on those purchases but not ongoing dependance I guess

[@deanmcmanis9398]

I've been driving plug-in hybrids for 11 years now, and they are a great move from gas-only vehicles. But I did recently buy a used Tesla Model Y and it is better overall. First off, the majority of todays BEV owners (80%) charge up at home overnight. And most people in American drive less than 40 miles per day. So then for most of us charging stations, range and charge speed are NOT problems. For longer drives I've found the Superchargers convenient and relatively quick. Plus as Ben mentioned, for longer trips I usually fly. Actually, in the past when I wanted to drive a long distance I would rent a car because it was smarter than putting a lot of mileage on my own cars. I do think that hybrids and plug-in hybrids will be a growing market, but I think that most of the sales will be replacing gas only vehicles. Many of the early plug-in hybrids had a very short battery-only range. But the Chevy Volt changed that, and now the Prius Prime offers similar capability. But at the same time BEVs are getting more range, at lower prices.

[@CoralSea]

Toyota chairman said 30% in the world, not just some countries.

[@vhateverlie]

@@CoralSea and I don't think he's been proven wrong yet. Maybe it's different where these people live but in Canada the locals are buying hybrids and now EV's because a $60k EV is not going to fly when your budget for a new car is $24k...

[@charlescourtney4412]

Had a plug in Hybrid -- a Kia Niro. It was a very satisfactory car, but I found that I was having to put fuel stabilizer in the tank as I was going 3 to 6 months between fill ups. Also, to maintain the warranty I was having to change oil, etc., at the manufacturer's recommended miles/months intervals even though the ICE engine was hardly used at all. I now own a Mustang Mach-E.

[@burnx45]

I have a 2023 Tesla Model Y LR and was thinking about getting rid of it and buying a plug-in hybrid such as a Toyota RAV4 Prime, but then I realized you still have to do the engine fluid changes even if you don't use the engine much, usually 10,000 miles or yearly, whatever comes first.

[@SigFigNewton]

@myhome772EV is the present. Many are living in the past

[@SigFigNewton]

@myhome772east for me to say I own no car😂

[@yvongauthier4409]

@myhome772 so why are people who are evacuating Florida with their ICE vehicles panicking? They can just stop and get gas? Oh, wait... There's a gas shortage! (due to hurricane). And guess what? No power, no gas either! But yeah, much easier to bring gas to someone than "electricity".

[@bluetoad2668]

This is all about money. Half the oil production globally goes to fuel light vehicles. That's a massive disruption to the oil industry. The incentive to slow the transition is huge.

[@shannonwoodcock1035]

Here's the irony. As more EV's increase in sales, that's less demand for gas, as gas prices fall. The money governments get from gas taxes drop, so they will just increase the tax, keeping the price high.

[@yvongauthier4409]

@@shannonwoodcock1035 governments have already started taxing EV owners.

[@NVclosetmedgrower]

I might be in the rare circumstance that owning a plug in hybrid has been perfect for me. I recently purchased a 2014 Chevy Volt and love it. Previous to this i was driving a 2001 chevy 2500 hd truck. My daily commute for work varies between 35 and 60 miles. The volt gives me 35 to 40 miles on ev only, and i can charge at work for part of the time im working. So 4/5 workdays a week, i dont need to use gas. I do have a property in a different state i need to check on and love to take road trips when available on the weekends. Having the gas availability for driving through rural america has helped a lot. I agree the quick charge infrastructure is improving rapidly, it is still not nearly as available nationwide as gas station infrastructure. So i agree there are a lot more parts and maintenance than full ev. The versatility of having multiple energy inputs has been helpful. One last bonus is that i can utilize the 12a 110v plug to charge the battery to full on this car in about 10 hours, so i dont have alot of need to upgrade my garage electrical or buy a high amp charger with this vehicle. In the long run, I'd love to keep the volt as a backup car and buy an ev only vehicle as my daily driver, but 1 step at a time.

[@Techridr]

You have to do you. In your situation, I don't see why you would need to change a thing. I'm a huge EV guy, but was a Hybrid driver since 2000. I drove a Volt for a bit too. In your case, the longer you milk that Volt before moving to EVs, the better the EV space will be for you once ready to jump in. It helps that the Volt is a good looking car still.

[@Jaw0lf]

Best thing of owning an EV is being able to charge at home and never visiting another gas station.

[@jacobheinz8236]

I haven’t been to a gas station for more than a year…ever since I bought my Tesla M3. Trust me, it’s a great feeling esp whenever I drive past a gas station.

[@Jaw0lf]

@@jacobheinz8236 Same for me! In my 4th year with an EV which is now a Tesla Model 3 RWD and loving it.

[@genelane2243]

Not to mention oil changes! Radiator anti-freeze! Transmission! I leased a '21 Model 3, now own a '24 Model 3. I expect to get many years of reliable transportation.

[@allankoivu3263]

This spring, myself an owner of a Bolt EUV and a Tesla owner were the only two people to show up, one morning, at the same time at our local gas station. Turns out we were both there for gas for our lawnmowers. Same time next year 🤣

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Yeah I'm embarrassed to admit the first thing I did when I bought an EV was to look around for public chargers, even though I had a perfectly functional 30A outlet at home. Took me a little while to snap out of it. The problem is even pro-EV youtubers are responsible for this public infrastructure hype, so being properly educated without actually experiencing this technology is practically impossible.

[@namsmog]

An ICE car has 2000 moving parts, 35% efficiency, 25 cents cost per miles, must go to gas station to get gas. An Electric vehicle has 30 moving parts, 95% efficiency, 8 cents cost per miles, plug in at home 99% of the time for most peoples. A Hybrid car has 2020 moving parts, 50% efficiency, 17 cents cost per miles, can plug in or pump gas. When it comes to repair, hybrid car is the worst because it has all the components of ICE and Electric combine toghether.

[@jaaklucas1329]

In a nutshell. Im a BEV believer also but many of my friends have a hard time thinking this way.

[@1337Jogi]

Somewhat true but there is another way to think about the whole situation. Many people use their car for short distances 95% of the time - lets say 50 miles or less. So what should they buy? 1 small city-BEV (with

[@justsomeguy934]

Actually, only about 15% of the potential energy in a gallon of gasoline actually makes it to the wheels. That includes waste heat loss (75%) as well as parasitic losses (air conditioning, alternator, water pump, etc.).

[@foam27]

Yep big oil has a lot to lose, and since they're so greedy they'll do anything.

[@holmiumh]

"BEVs are great if they don't need batteries or charging." Yup, I agree

[@Radium3D]

The lies against Tesla and ev are out of hand

[@thomasruwart1722]

Misinformation from EV haters is not so much "out of hand", rather, it comes "out their a**hole"... Basically the EV haters are just passing gas😊

[@isaac827]

I agree but I think there are lies from ideologs on both sides, this is one of the biggest cherry picking channels on YT. EVs work for some people under some circumstances in some countries, their contribution as a percentage to total energy consumption is minimal (~6% of total emissions in Australia, with the vast majority of charging done overnight with coal)

[@robsengahay5614]

@@isaac827Even when charged from coal generation an EV is responsible for fewer emissions. However with proper planning that can be changed. For instance if workplace and other car parks can provide cheap solar generated energy (slow AC charging) then much of the overnight charging becomes unnecessary. Destination charging makes far more sense than fast charging unless you are on a road trip. Additionally the coal is at least Australian coal rather than imported oil. Plus the reduction in air pollution. I always have to drive with my windows up and aircon on simply because of the noxious fumes from traffic and people have to live in those fumes every day. Now please tell me where I am wrong.

[@thomasruwart1722]

@@isaac827 - As YT channels about EVs go, this is one of the better one IMHO. It isn't so much "cherry picking", rather, there is only so much one can report in a 10-minute video hence Ben chooses his data, facts, and information carefully in order to provide insight into what he is reporting on and the message he wants to get across. He is just being an EV advocate who, fromt what I have seen, also has a lot of integrity: He doesn't have to make stuff up or misrepresent things like Scotty Kilmenow does. As for charging EVs at night from coal-fired electric plants, that coal was going to be burned whether or not EVs were using that electricity. Yes, it does sound somewhat ironic, but consider that we are in a period of transition from fossil fuel electric plants to renewable energy that will take a few decades to happen. Eventually, EVs will be the norm and fossil fuel vehicles will be in museums. Incidentally, if you want to see an amusing film from 1906 that shows a variety of vehicles in a crowded city (horse-drawn carriages, gas cars, cable cars,...etc), search for "A Trip Down Market Street". Back then there was a great deal of angst about gas cars aka "horseless carriages" much the same way people view EVs now. Anyway, enjoy the video (find the video with the soundtrack titled "La Femme D'Argent" by Air)

[@freeheeler09]

At least half of Tesla’s potential customers won’t buy a Tesla because of Musk’s fascist politics. And, actually affordable, home storage batteries will go a long way towards swinging the market to EVs. We need home batteries that have an installed cost of less than $100 per kWh.

[@loums52]

I did buy a used Chevy Volt years ago just to test the waters for a BEV. After a few months, I realized that going full electric made perfect sense for me. I then bought a used Tesla Model S and now drive a Lucid Air Pure. It seems like the media frequently uses worst case scenarios when talking about EV purchases. Right now there are fantastic deals for lease purchases or low mileage used EV’s. I live in San Diego and have not had any real issues with the Electrify America network and I also charge from home. And as you pointed out, renting a car for those periodic long road trips is a great option. I have talked to so many people who have thought about an EV but have been scared off by the current negative media blitz. Instead of a full rounded balanced discussion, it seems like “slowing BEV sales”, “too expensive”, and ‘lack of infrastructure” are now the common narratives…and at the same time, China is rapidly expanding their market. I fear we are possibly going to repeat our “Japanese car disruption” experience of the 80’s unless we change our mindset. Thanks again for the informative video.

[@smarzig]

Bolt was the Bomb

[@jxmai7687]

I know there are people have a plug in hybrid but doesn't know much about it, just think they have a short range EV and drove on electric only, never full up the gas since the first day for the whole year.

[@sambira]

We will repeat our “Japanese car disruption” experience except for Tesla. We are on that track and I don't know what will stop it. The legacy OEMs are falling into the same trap and they don't see it. Well, I guess that is what it takes to get the US to understand that there is a change over and there really isn't much that can stop it.

[@gerrylum]

Same story for me, though I went from the Volt to a Leaf to a Rivian. The Volt really was ahead of its time and was a really nice car.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Gas cars are excellent for rentals. No wear and tear on your EV and you don't need to worry about all the maintenance to keep the gas car from falling apart. Plus they're generally cheaper to rent than EVs. To own, well EVs for sure.

[@marclacroix8758]

Thanks Ben

[@gaydybwad1321]

Well done! Excellent EV support. G. Dybwad, Phoenix, AZ

[@BlindedByLogic]

China is at about 55% on NEV sales of total market share, and that number is increasing rapidly.

[@yo2trader539]

Half of which are hybrids.

[@Sergio_Loureiro]

Because of government subsidies.

[@yulusleonard985]

@@Sergio_Loureiro Its already gone years ago.

[@yulusleonard985]

@@yo2trader539 Chinese hybrids are closer to BEV than Toyota Prius.

[@mr88cet]

So, I’ve taken the full course of “gateway drugs,” as you describe them, from pure-gas, to Prius, to Prius Prime (plug-in hybrid, “PHEV”), to Model Y. There are two main rationales for plug-in hybrids: - Tesla superchargers work very well, yes, but there’s still simply no denying that gas is considerably more convenient for road tripping. That, especially if the trip is urgent or can’t realistically be planned ahead, such as if you need to get to a friend or relative in trouble, or you’re going somewhere “waaaay out in the sticks” where no DC fast-chargers exist. Yes, that’s a rare occurrence, but it does occasionally happen. So, even though I have a Model Y, I’m very glad to have a PHEV at our disposal, in case a huge surprise were to come up. - Toyota’s argument for making PHEVs over full-electrics is simultaneously reasonable, and a cop-out: You have 80KWh of battery capacity and you have two options: You can make 1 pure-EV that drives emissions-free 100% of the time, or you can make 10 PHEVs that drive emissions-free 90% of the time. Given that viewpoint, then yes, I agree that the 10 PHEVs will be a greater net-positive for the environment. Now, the flaw in Toyota’s reasoning above there is that it assumes that battery-manufacturing capacity is fixed and out of their control. Obviously, Toyota is a huge force in the industry, so it’s very reasonable to expect that if they were to push for a huge increase in battery-manufacturing, they will get it.

[@BigCarKilla]

They don’t *want* to exclude Tesla, Tesla no longer offers sales data.

[@gringoviejo1935]

they cherry-pick this "days on dealer lots" stat because Tesla eschews the whole dealer paradigm for selling their cars. it's that simple.

[@SigFigNewton]

How many days on lot for jeeps😂 The stuff that really isn’t selling is gas stuff

[@shaggydogsales]

Keep up the good work Ben. Endless amount of misinformation and content. Makes me wonder who's paying for the majority of this misinformation? Toyota? Other brands have a bigger toe in the EV water.

[@robinbennett5994]

Yes, we've heard all the arguments many times, but I'd love an investigation into where they come from. How much is just pandering to people who like to feel outraged about change, and how much is deliberate propaganda, and who is paying for it?

[@ScrappyDoodad]

The one with the most to lose because of renewable energy and EVs, the Petroleum Industry has trillions of dollars in profits to protect and they have an experienced, well funded, well connected, and talented, corrupt propaganda machine

[@vinumcopia9850]

Ben, I really enjoy the new videos where you combine your love of EVs and expertise in Data Science to debunk the FUD out there. Keep up the great work!

[@Techridr]

I've owned hybrids for 20 years and I'm now on my 2nd Tesla. It's important to note, the 114 MPGe on the Prime is only a city figure, since on a road trip you will not plug in every 40-200 miles or whatever, so you revert to the 48 MPG number. The next note of importance is that OEMs still can't make money on EVs. They are all going back to the drawing board playing catch up with Tesla years ahead, so of course they are collectively pushing the narrative that everyone wants hybrids. Even Toyota didn't want their BZ4X out in numbers and recalled because "wheels were falling off." They just can't make a good EV. If we want to talk about slowing overall sales, there is a combination of reasons. #1, we're still not fully recovered from the Covid period, and that's for all cars. #2, The non-Tesla charging infrastructure (CCS-1) has left a bad taste in the mouth of many transitioners here in North America, some of which have either moved to Tesla or moved back to ICE. #3 is the poor offerings from most OEMs. GM with the exploding LG cars (Bolt), the underperforming, overweight, VW iD4 with electrical infotainment issues including few updates, and decent cars like Hyundai that couldn't compete dollar for dollar with Tesla, but otherwise decent cars. Musk said we're between growth cycles and I'm actually in agreement. Tesla has new cars coming, including a reduced priced model, a refreshed Y, and in the next 12 months, we'll see the gradual transition for other OEMs to use Tesla's NACS port. Add some competition for charging by IONNA, updated EVgo, EA and others. Finally having a charging standard is a bigger factor than some think. And what's important is, if these companies want the federal assistance to build, they need to provide a very high uptime. And, if they want Tesla to add their stations to their navigation, they have to meet their strict uptime criteria too. So, there is a lot of reasons to expect good things to come soon. I personally think 2026 will be the start of another big shift mostly for the reasons stated.

[@stargazer3828]

OEM auto makers have been pushing for hybrids for one reason and one reason only - - They can still make a profit on them without drastically modifying their current manufacturing process. No CEO of an OEM auto maker wants to admit that in order to fully transition to BEV vehicles it will require negative profits for multiple years until they can ramp up production and lock in battery materials so they kick the can down the road until they retire and it becomes the next CEO's problem.

[@ihearttesla]

💯 And unfortunately, most people just foolishly believe what the salesperson and media tell them. I absolutely love my Tesla and will only buy Tesla...It's a no brainer!😆

[@natehill8069]

No, theres two reasons, hybrids break down more often than EITHER pure BEV or pure ICE because they have ~all of the components of both. And service is where dealerships make money, and _dealerships_ are the manufacturers customer.

[@yo2trader539]

If all the customers only wanted BEVs, Toyota would only be manufacturing BEVs. The reality is BEV demand is sluggish and heavily reliant on fleet sales and government incentives. And yes, Toyota can make profits in hybrids because they've started research from the 1970s during the last oil crisis.

[@josephpt9540]

Thank you for your good work against EV misinformation. As a token I subscribe you.

[@KaiPonte]

lol - a plug-in hybrid as a "gateway drug" - love it. Also, I haven't public charged in months.

[@robinbennett5994]

I like to think of it as an "emotional support engine" for people who aren't ready to commit to an EV.

[@KaiPonte]

@@robinbennett5994 LOL!!

[@joecushman6030]

@@robinbennett5994A plug in hybrid identifies as BEV

[@RussellFineArt]

I owned a Volt plug in hybrid for 8 years, loved it but realized pretty quick, we almost never used the gas engine and had to plug in, every day, as the battery was pretty small and degraded quicker. We sold it this spring and bought a Tesla Model Y, and love it even more!

[@jalexand007]

Another great video. We need more myth busters like you. Amazing how people can still make stupid comments out there. But hey I still see stupid comments about smart phones.

[@fritzbang4805]

The only thing killing the EV revolution is the HIGH PRICE. If you can get a Mitsubishi Mirage or a Nissan Versa for $17,000 you should be able to get an electric one for 20k. They are blocking the cheaper Chinese EV further blocking people from getting an EV. They need to back off on the greedy price gouging system if you want people to get into them.

[@Davy_D]

While I own and defend EVs regularly, Toyota failing is just not going to happen. They make some of the best vehicles and have a loyal following for a reason.

[@richardcoughlin8931]

I bought a Honda clarity PHEV 5 years ago and followed up with a Tesla model Y 2 years ago. The PHEV was definitely instrumental in my moving to a BEV. With the PHEV, I got used to plugging in every night to a regular 110v outlet to top off the battery. When I needed more of a charge than the 110v charger provides level 2 are widely available in my area. I only use gas when I go on road trips. Even with Teslas supercharger network I find the PHEV more convenient for road trips (about once a month) simply because there are so many gas stations. I will go completely BEV in my household when it’s almost as easy to find a charger on the road as it is to find a gas station.

[@consolemaster]

Good point on PHEV. The top issue with me on EV for driving long distances is other EV owners saying I'm doing it wrong.....they want me to wait 20-30 minutes to stop, they want me to stretch my legs for 20-30 minutes....they also want me to eat at every stop.....alot of these don't apply to me when I'm driving on a pHEV/hybrid/ice car.....I can rotate drivers, stop only to pee and while doing the walk spend 30 seconds to stretch or so.....eat with one hand.....I think being forced to do multiple stops and resting 20-30 minutes for me, I don't like it.....hence why I will never be an exclusive EV family....these folks need to start focusing on these issues instead of going against one another, forcing one towards another...and at the same time wasting tax payers monies

[@richardcoughlin8931]

@@consolemasterEveryone has their own personal preferences with respect to stopping en route. As a retired older driver who makes more frequent stops I don’t mind the extra time. The issue I ran into is that while Tesla superchargers are readily available in urban areas and along interstate freeways once you get off into the less traveled areas finding a charger can be a headache.

[@mattkeith530]

The problem I see with plugin hybrids is makers like jeep don't use a big enough battery and end up with a 25 mile battery range or Toyota does have a good battery for useful electric only range but don't make many prime vehicles. specifically the rav 4 prime. If you don't make it you can't sell them

[@tgrupp1247]

EV ignorance is alive and well in Arizona!

[@jxmai7687]

Because the media is under control.

[@zygot3060]

I have an idea, why don't they make a phone that has a battery that only lasts about 20ish mins, outside of that it'll have a little engine and a gas tank to support it. It'll be a lot faster at filling up than charging a regular phone will be. That is about what I think of plug in hybrids.

[@markfrancis5164]

Ben - I always appreciate your perspective. I am an EV evangelist for the past 14 years based in SE England. I’ve had 2 EV’s and still believe in their EVentual domination but for the next 20 years I now realise Hybrids are going to dominate. From initial cost, lack of incentives (Europe), cost of energy, availability of roadside energy, insurance & accident resolution complexity, servicing availability, catastrophic depreciation, manufacturer devaluing their cars with massive discounts, this all adds up to an EV in Europe being more expensive in whole life costs than a hybrid. This is the case across Europe. Even self charged hybrids, get double the fuel economy I got- going from 35 to 70+ miles per gallon. All these factors have stopped the growth of domestic EV sales dead, now stuck at 10%. Only the incentivised company sales are growing, now accounting for 90% of new EV sales in the UK. This has resulted in a lively second hand market in Hybrids who sell much quicker and cheaper than 2nd hand EV’s.

[@TheEelnoraa]

The economy for EV doesn’t work any more. As a 85D owner, my cost/mile at California electricity rate is 1.5x-2x of gas car of similar quality level. Our off peak tier 2 rate is $0.65/ kWh.

[@EricStephani]

They are pulling back and focusing on hybrids because they can't profitably make a BEV that is better, or even as good, as a Tesla.

[@gerrylum]

I am one of the anecdotes. I owned a 2014 Chevy Volt which I loved, but that was the car that showed me I didn't need to use the gas engine as a crutch and I could go all electric. Like you mentioned, I literally filled the gas tank around 2-3 times a year. Switched to a Leaf shortly after that, and now to a Rivian. Will never go back to Hybrid or ICE again.

[@steelehere1]

Out of Spec reviews had a good piece recently about the charging infrastructure in the Los Angeles area being a less than pleasurable experience because there are not enough working chargers to meet the high volume of EVs that have been sold in that market. As an owner of multiple EVs (non-Tesla), I agree completely that it’s an issue. Additionally, another major issue is the lack of public EV charging stations in Las Vegas to meet the demand of those drivers that take a trip from one of the California coastal cities since waits to charge for the return trip can often be hours just to have access to a charger.

[@fjalics]

I'm a big fan of taking the chargers to the cars, not the cars to the chargers. So, where are those visitors parking? Start putting up lots of level 2 chargers there. I'd love to see some kind of cheap systems emerge for hotels that ties the unlock of a charger to a room, and can manage the peak power usage across dozens of chargers. And ultimately, like in cities, you want to aim for enough chargers, that people will accidentally end up within reach of a charger often enough that they seldom have to go out of their way to charge. The US added nearly 1.2 million EVs to the fleet last year, and will likely add more this year, so it's not surprising we find some issues.

[@Excelcior58]

Very true. Drove the Tesla to LA from Phoenix for the first time. Wow, we have never had to wait for a charger in 20,000 miles..... until we got to LA. I've never seen so many Teslas, and I have never waited so long to charge. That being said, LA is probably compounded by the percentage of people who have expensive homes yet still don't even have access to a garage to charge at home. Forcing more people to superchargers.

[@tomooo2637]

It is a shame in the US, but I think there is a back door damage being done by the oil industry. I am from the UK, and have a Tesla while my wife has a e208 (a small car she really likes ). We have been on several long journeys in the e208 and not had any problem with charging, the biggest issue is the longer charge times, but then it is a pee + coffee and snack rather than just a pee in in a Tesla during a stop. In the UK, it is not ideal, but we don't consider a long journey in a car that has a practical stop distance of 150 miles (about 3 hours !!!!) any problem. We can change with touch and go credit cards, and the chargers were always working and there was enough chargers. The prices are crap of course (same prices as petrol/gas per mile). Yes, it is easier in a Tesla, but most important, my wife does not consider it a problem have a e208 regarding charging. At home we pay 7p/kWh over night - so 90% if very cheap, and a perk from my workplace is free charging..

[@MIKExMASSACREx]

Done quiet a few road trips in my model y coming from LA, never had a problem with waiting for chargers, the trick is to supercharge before you get into LA , than I just plug it in at my house once I’m home

[@ElMistroFeroz]

If you pay attention to the entirety of the Out Of Spec channel, you'll notice it isn't about EVs, but charging infrastructure. They're completely obsessed with it. The EVs are just there by proxy. I remember one of them even saying the one thing that's good about Tesla is their public chargers.

[@BigCarKilla]

“Public charging all over the place” doesn’t mean it’s working 🙄

[@durinok]

What are U.S. annual sales of three categories of vehicles, ICE, EV, and hybrid (+plug-in hybrid?) - without any data manipulation?

[@SigFigNewton]

Auto-industry-wide slowdown Media: EVsales are slowing! 😂

[@poporbit2432]

There are 190k+ gas stations in the USA servicing 50million gas cars. There are 17,000 Tesla supercharger station's in the USA serving 2+ million teslas.3000 gas cars per gas station vs100 EVs per supercharger. That's 30 times better convenience for EVs than gas cars and home charging eliminates any concern , period.

[@andresd6193]

Hybrids, plug in or otherwise are silly. For a few simple reasons. Most people don't drive more than 60 miles a day, almost any EV nowadays will give you more than that range. Most cars are parked 22 to 23 hours a day. Plenty of time to charge them. 99 of driving for most people is local driving not road trips. Many EV's sold today can supercharge from around 30% to 80% in about 15 to 20 minutes. That should be convenient enough for most people. "Range anxiety" is a term created most likely by Toyota to scare people from buying EV's. And it is only suffered by people who own gas cars and are thinking about an EV, but only in their heads, not in real life. Those of us who have been driving EV's for years suffer no range anxiety whatsoever.

[@ruslanboyko1225]

Hi. I completely and respectfully disagree. Before going any further, I’m a proponent of EVs, love the technology believe in it and agree that it is more efficient. However, this video is talking about bunch of hypotheticals with EPA ratings that are not necessarily real world. And this video is very superficial. Let’s talk fuel economy. Take a minivan for example. Best family and cargo mover. Previous gen sienna. In town around 18mpg. Now let’s take new sienna, 36mpg. Double the efficiency, half the pollution. Awesome. Now for the EV option, none is available, for the same $ and functionality and spaciousness. However if such an option were to exist it would be quadruple the efficiency 80-100mpge. (Model X too small inside and no cargo room, EV9 not enough cargo, EQS tiny inside, R1S tiny cargo) this is with reference to 6-7 people family or larger. Now compare price. Take Odyssey base price under $40k, base EV9 - $56k, base X - $80k, base R1S - $77, EQS - $90k. Base model EV9 is closest, but still $16k more. The others nearly double. So pricing does not make sense. Don’t even mention tax credit, because most people in community do not qualify, and most earn into 6 figures. Not let’s talk driving. I live in big city, even though everything is near house my wife drives closer 100 miles a day. School, store, appointment, practice, school, church, it adds up. Most people in my community drive this or more, and my community is over 1000 people. Sure most modern EVs can cover that. So if there was EV minivan with comparable pricing would buy it tomorrow. Nor weathers affect on batteries. Range continued. Now most people in my community take 1-2 trips to Florida a year sometimes more minimum 12hr trips. Their cars are loaded up with 2-3 teenagers and 2-3 kids. For a total of 5-6 kids. And car top carrier and luggage for the week or two. Taking that into account. Most minivans will get 19-20 mpg @75-80mph. Making gas stops between 4-6 hours. Every 300+miles if one drives thru night. Not take EVs range. Let’s use EV9 for example. Typical EV9 without people onboard gets 2.7-2.8mile per kWhr. And using long range wind model, EPA range of 280miles per battery charge. However Kia does not recommend going below 10% and fastest charging is to 80%. Quick calculation puts effective range per charge to 196miles. Now add to that people and cargo, and best case scenario now the effective range is down to 167miles (15% less). Now subtract another 10-15% for 75-80 mph and now you are down to 141miles of effective range. I’m not even going to add car-top carrier to these calculations. So now it’s drive 2hrs charge for 30 mins. A 12 hour trip has become 15-16 hours. Oh and by the way, if you get to a fast level 3 charger and if it does not work or is derated, now you can’t charge that fast. Gas or hybrids - 7 mins and you are back on road. So while rage anxiety is “not real” (locally), it does exist on longer trips. Renting a car for a week or 2 is extremely expensive. Rented a minivan for weekend, 2 days- $500. Imagine 8-16 days. And now to address the elderly in my community. They don’t go anywhere. Store and back, Appt. Etc. their pollution is extremely low. And being on fixed income, why spend $55-80k is their 10yo Toyota 4-runner runs them around perfectly fine? And will keep running for a while. And there’s gas station on every corner, but with charging you would have to download a ton of apps to just try to charge. While there are a bunch of reasons to go EV, none of them can make a decision spend that kind of money. I’ve said a bunch. Unfortunately, we as country, do not have charge stations, applicable vehicles, nor vehicle pricing, that is to switch in over to EV en mass. Even though, if there was a minivan like product I’d all over it, buying it. Maybe after 2yr depreciation

[@jaws2003]

I remembered when my homegirl rented a tesla. She hated it, but i loved it. What I will say, though, is that we were able to charge just fine. I do see more people losing their mind because she was driving an EV. There was a guy who was driving very erratic around us. He didn't want us to pass him.

[@foam27]

That's why for now I drive an Audi e-tron, looks no different than the gas variant. Keeps The crazies at bay.

[@jaws2003]

@@foam27 that's good to know. Crazy how an electric car makes people lose their minds.

[@DS-mz7dy]

Those of us who drive the Chevy Volt (best, even today of the PHEV's) have "gas anxiety" as opposed to "range anxiety."

[@burgers8]

Are the tanks really tiny on those? I drive a gas Spark, and I think I can only fit 35L in mine.

[@holmiumh]

I guess if you have anxiety you will always find it somewhere.

[@tonypires8816]

My first try of PHEV was the Volt too. And it was great 12:53 car. I did all the maintenance and we charged at home. One of the great things it kept track of was the percentage of time it was on just the battery and 85% was just electric. So our next jump was to the Bolt and we both love that car. Both the Volt and Bolt were my first American cars in my 71yrs on this rock. Even working as a mechanic for most of my life ICE always struck me as stupidly complicated and a bandaid on an outdated bad idea. I will keep my Nissan Frontier for hauling but it only gets very little use otherwise. Right tool for job at hand.

[@Allister2000]

I do. Until the car broke down and is sitting in my garage until I figure out how to fix it (GM has disowned Volts)

[@MsJustice4ever]

@@Allister2000 I would keep it out of the garage until it’s diagnosed and repaired. If there is an issue that’s to do with the battery, stay safe and park it outside, thermal runaway is no joke.

[@robsengahay5614]

I smile when I read how FUD evolves. Here in Australia EVs have come down in price markedly and the influx of Chinese models is set to continue that trend. So instead of arguing that EVs are too expensive to buy which was the common refrain they now say they are too cheap so your new EV will be “worthless” in 3 years time. They don’t of course recommend you save even more by buying a used one because of course that will allegedly need a $20,000 battery replacement. When the arguments are this fluid and ignorant you have to accept that it is deliberate misinformation and that this is being coordinated.

[@tedfigler2563]

Most people are on the Second step... First step: I need to be more fuel efficient and pollute less. First action: Buy a hybrid Second step: I run on battery most of the time. Why don't I use some energy from the grid? Second action: Buy a plug-in hybrid Third step: Why do I have to use my battery to haul this engine around when I don't really need it? Third action: Buy a BEV

[@rossdavis2294]

I live in Ireland - a new M3 RWD is roughly equivalent to a new Toyota Corolla (2nd lowest spec model), it’s 3k cheaper than a new base model hybrid CHR, and 8k cheaper than a new Prius plug in hybrid - to me and for my needs the RWD M3 is perfect - I love it and saved a load of cash too over ICE equivalent (not that they are even equivalent!!)

[@MsJustice4ever]

I live in the UK. I spend £1400 a year for fuel for my ICE car. I do about 10k miles a year, and diesel is £1.45 a litre at the time of this calculation. My car is a diesel automatic, large tourer with no shortcuts, proper family car. It has a range of close to 700 miles with one tank of fuel. This range and fuel economy is with full AC blasting in summer and heating in winter, including heated seats and heated steering wheel on, daytime running lights, dash cam continuously recording, stereo on, etc. All of those features on will reduce an EV’s range. I’ve bought the car for £10k used, but in great condition and very low mileage (below 15k miles). I was able to buy it without taking out a loan. I own the car. An equivalent sized and condition EV (note my car is large and for my needs I need a larger car, not a small hatchback like a Leaf or VW eGolf) so equivalent EV would have cost me at least 2 times as much here in the UK, even used. This means that I would need to drive that EV for 10 years to break even with the fuel cost. Likely sooner than that, that EV would depreciate in value, and the battery would deteriorate too, with any warranty running out. In any event by the time I’d break even on fuel, I’d need to buy another car again. Additionally, public charging costs are increasing, so unless someone only charges at home and doesn’t go further than 150 miles radius, it’s hard to predict how much the running costs of EVs will fluctuate in the next 10 years. So. No. I’ll hold off for now. P.S. the sales of EVs in the UK is slowing and some dealers don’t even take electric cars as part exchange. The market value of those cars seems volatile. I’m puzzled why 🤔

[@robsengahay5614]

We all assess these things differently but you at least seem open to the idea of EVs once they make sense for you economically. There needs to be enough adopters upfront in order to drive the lower costs down the line. That is likely to happen and is happening. As a society it is far better that we rid the roads of as many dirty diesel vehicles as soon as practicable though - and I say this as someone who drove one 10 years ago in the UK (and we loved that car back then). Now in Australia and have owned a Tesla since 2019 (which was by far and away the most expensive car I ever bought) so know both sides of this. Hoping the Tesla is good for another decade so that it pays its way. Love the Tesla by the way. Amazing to drive but definitely not the same comfort level as my old Skoda Superb.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

@@robsengahay5614 Yeah good point. I noticed most ICE owners hyperfocus on public infrastructure, and most diesel owners focus on longevity and range. My favorite are people who generally can't afford a new car focus on depreciation (instead of benefiting from it). As an owner of both ICE and EV tech I look at the entire picture. Anyone who does can easily conclude that after 150K miles or so, no matter how pristine your ICE is or how much perceived market value, it's already negative equity because of the $$ it took to get it there, and all the $$ that will take to keep it going.

[@robsengahay5614]

@@ElMistroFeroz True. Every ICE car I have ever owned in my life has ultimately been a matter of diminishing returns. So many things wear out or otherwise need replacing and maintenance costs escalate until eventually I end up with a potential bill for more than the car is worth so it is almost worthless scrap metal. There is definitely far less to go wrong mechanically with the Tesla or any EV. When the battery eventually dies I will have a choice. Replace the battery or see if the car has a value on sale. Batteries may be relatively cheap by then and I would likely have a car with a better range than when I first bought it if I replace the battery for just a few thousand dollars. Unlike many other owners my Tesla seems to have decent build quality so intrigued to know how it fares over the next few years.

[@MsJustice4ever]

@myhome772 have even you read what I posted regarding the prices and my requirements? No, I can’t get a decent EV for a reasonable price that fits my requirements. EVs are not a one size fits all solution for everyone.

[@MsJustice4ever]

@@ElMistroFeroz why do you need both an ICE and an EV? Just curious, can you elaborate? Normally people have one car, you can’t drive 2 cars at the same time. Or if you need 2 cars for some different specific reason, why aren’t both EVs? Genuine question.

[@billbell3737]

I looked at a Nissan Leaf in 2012. I really liked it for daily commuting plus I could set up charging at work so 'fuel' was free. I do about 4 longer trips a year so renting a car was still a good option. My only concern at that time was battery life. There was no solid data. If that battery had to be replaced it voided any savings. With all the battery life data on Tesla I would be an old man before I ever needed to replace the battery. There still may be a VERY RARE instance when I need to rent a car.

[@yo2trader539]

Nissan Leaf is one of the few BEVs that actually indicate battery health. Used BEVs are so difficult to judge/price because most models don't show how much battery life there is left.

[@johnnyquid-xj4kk]

Tesla is the most reliable ev of the bunch, but yup, the media “overlooks” it and lumps them all in. That’s like saying a Toyota is en par w a GM vehicle.

[@jimsEVadventures]

More people live in multi-family dwellings (percentage wise) in Norway than they do in the USA. It is time to stop using that as an excuse and get chargers in place where they are needed. Excuses are like armpits. Everybody has two and they both stink!

[@gs-xmastree7013]

After buying a BYD EV here in Australia I did a long interstate road trip. It needed a little planning for where to charge. My car couldn’t use the Tesla chargers at that time, but I still did it easily. The most common model of car EV, ICE or otherwise I saw on the road doing this trip were Tesla Model 3s. Once people get past the FUD they will see how good BEVs are. No engine sound droning, and the driving assistance tech made a very comfortable drive. I guess people who uh… urinate in a bottle while driving might find stopping to charge inconvenient. But for me stopping every 2-3 hours for a quick break also makes the journey more enjoyable. Obviously people need to buy what works for them, but a BEV is excellent for most. I still occasionally do a trip on my motorcycle for something different, which has around the same range as my EV. I’ve actually experience range anxiety on my bike more than my EV because I don’t plan ahead with my stops as much. Fortunately always made it to a gas station. One time I literally rolled to a stop coming into a gas station 😅

[@joecushman6030]

Most EV range is better than most people’s bladder.

[@cgmoog]

Aren't they excluding Tesla because they do not report monthly sales (only quarterly). This is laziness on their part.

[@andybak7575]

It's like charging networks without NACS wondering where all the cars are. You need to support and count the most popular EV: Tesla.

[@raypalmer7733]

When the people state "best value proposition" in their statements about hybrids, what they really mean is "best profit proposition". A hybrid is more complex and as such means it will be more costly to maintain or more costly to repair. This leads to more profits by the car makers and lets not forget they lock you in for maintenance with IP/Warranty blocks so that others cannot do ANYTHING for you should you choose! The notion a hybrid is a stop-gap measure is not entirely correct since the need to be more "green" is not there with hybrids. You carry around a battery and motor as backup which is a burden on the ICE component every time you drive the vehicle.

[@consolemaster]

hybrid are not more complex....can be worked on at home by anyone....lol....I think hybrid being more complex is old at this point

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Exactly. They're just gas cars with extra complexity. One of the greatest advantages of EVs is ditching that antiquated inefficient technology, yet hybrids manage to drag it along like a parasite.

[@dwnrange7812]

Rag on Toyota all you want, but they have the largest sales of any other manufacturer

[@kensmith5694]

You know the way that a lot of "right wing opinion" on the internet has been traced back to Russian funding. I suspect that a lot of the "ICE opinion" can be traced back to oil industry funding. It is really hard to bite the hand that feeds you when you make your money by having an opinion.

[@jamesphillips2961]

^^^This. Russia is essentially a corrupt petro-state, this is obvious. So an effort to kill electrification makes sense. This involves misinformation against elements in Western societies that are pro-electrification. Time is leaving Russia behind. Their failure to become a modern nation is pretty sad.

[@airgunningyup]

Im "right wing "and drive a tesla.. Im also pro choice and college educated , it really confuses people.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

@@airgunningyup Same. Except I might be worse. I don't believe in the Climate Change narrative and drive a Model S And a gas guzzling F250.

[@kensmith5694]

@@JanKowalski-vj9py You are saying there are pro-EV lies. How about who pays for the pro-ICE lies. Did you consider that? Since EVs are in fact better for most people, there is a far bigger cost to the pro-ICE

[@kensmith5694]

@@airgunningyup Yes, I suspect that a lot on the right, here in the US would call you a communist. This is how a lot of them avoid thinking about any of the issues. The same happens with people on the left. There are a fair number of great big trucks sold to that sort.

[@RobK-x3x]

I don't get how a plug in hybrid can be manufactured for a reasonable price, as it must include both the gas and electric motors and battery, etc. However, they are being sold for "reasonable prices

[@gerrylum]

Because they have a little gas engine paired with a little battery and little electric motor, none of which are particularly expensive.

[@richardcarpenter6167]

Ben, have you looked into the data around EV fires being more in plug-in hybrids than full EV's because the smaller battery packs in the plug-in Hybrids are smaller battery packs and worked harder than full EV's battery packs? I have seen this mentioned by a couple of people on the web. Thanks

[@aussie2uGA]

If a fire ever happened from battery use, even constantly, it would be recalled immediately.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

A lot of the EV fires are actually electric bikes and scooters, not cars.

[@richardcarpenter6167]

@@rugbygirlsdadg udertand that, but there have been a number of electric vehicles fires reported.

[@ebaab9913]

You are the voice America needs to listen to. Sadly they are watching Disney...

[@danielsteven4885]

The video maker thinks the world is only USA, while the CEO of Toyota acts by analyzing the needs of all countries. not wrong, just shows how broad your insight is, because not all countries have enough money to develop electricity infrastructure quickly. besides, in many countries they use cars for a longer period than in developed countries, so according to the nature of the battery which has a lifespan and must be replaced after some time, it will burden the people's finances because the price of the battery can reach half the price of a new car

[@stevencole7331]

The problem I see with plug in hybrids is if you don't you the gas side of the equation that has will go bad in a matter of months. This can be owning a gas car with your Bev and you rarely use it . The two are not really compatible. I originally thought the hybrid was a bridge to a bev but Tesla changed that for me when they got a range over 200 miles and the creation of their supercharger network so the last bastion to keeping a gas car was greatly reduced with the opportunity for long distance travel

[@mylesgray3470]

Yea, it’s a little crazy to lug around an engine and fuel system as a range extender. Just go EV.

[@JDMSwervo2001]

@@mylesgray3470that’s a stupid argument. Nobody cares what the car is lugging around as long as it’s efficient and reliable

[@mylesgray3470]

@@JDMSwervo2001 I’d argue they do care when they need to pay for it when they buy the car and maintain it. Still needs oil changes, smog checks, coolant flushes, etc. I own a Prius and a Tesla and I’m personally tired of all the maintenance the Prius has required. Clogged EGR system, bad water pump, spark plugs, and the head gaskets fail around 175k miles give or take which I’m at 150k. All stuff I don’t need to worry about with an EV.

[@JDMSwervo2001]

@@mylesgray3470 head gaskets failing isn’t that common of an accountable considering how many Priuses are on the road even ones from 20 years ago

[@mylesgray3470]

@@JDMSwervo2001 he head gasket problem is really a 2010-2015 Prius issue. The older ones rarely failed. Some fail at 100k miles and some last past 200k miles but they all fail if you drive them long enough due to thermal cycles of the engine. It’s about $3k to repair so most people just scrap the car at that point. The hybrid battery also usually fails at about 12 years old. Replaced mine last year for $2,500, plus labor. These cars are money pits in their old age.

[@bradleyanderson4315]

A stop sale on VW EVs isn’t helping right now .

[@Brad-sb1dk]

Why doesn't Tesla educate the public on the reality of BEV ownership? Elon start meaningfully advertising!

[@Bomberm4n]

Doesn't jibe with his current political bedfellows views.

[@robsengahay5614]

The best advert for EV ownership is EV owners. Having the best selling car in the world without marketing is testimony to that and, let’s face it, the Model Y ain’t a thing of beauty.

[@wrefk]

Wonder if companies that struggle to make hybrids (Japanese, Chrysler) are paying these fud pieces. "Plug ins are so much better" even though it's baseless and incorrect, some company wants phevs to take off, and are hoping to eat Tesla's sales to get it

[@mylesgray3470]

Toyota made their big investments into hybrid and Hydrogen cars, the later being a wasted investment. They should have gone EV on a model or two a long time ago. They want everyone in a hybrid because it serves them.

[@JDMSwervo2001]

@@mylesgray3470and people are buying them in droves

[@foam27]

Big oil

[@yo2trader539]

@@mylesgray3470 To the contrary, Toyota's hydrogen fuel cells are now being used in public buses in Japan. HYBARI is a fuel cell train developed by JR East, Hitachi, and Toyota. They're also developing semi-trucks for North American market too. What you fail to understand is companies like Toyota think in decades. Hybrid research started in the 1970s during the last oil crisis. But Toyota only start designing one in 1992 when rechargeable battery technology matured, and launched the Prius in 1997 in the Japanese market. Toyota lost money in the Prius project for a nearly decade but they continued to improve the technology because they understand the significance of fuel efficiency, especially in a country like Japan which imports all of its oil. Fast forward to 2024, nearly 40-50% of all global sales from Toyota and Honda are now hybrids. Because of decades of R&D, Toyota can manufacture hybrid vehicles for about US$2,000-3,000 more than regular ICE vehicles, which is why hybrid models are offered at comparable prices. That said, most of Toyota's hybrids are regular hybrids. So I've no idea where the Plug-in-Hybrid push is coming from.

[@Aero-Dynamic]

Love your debunking videos! My wife and I both own Mach-Es. I also work for Ford and sell a ton of Mach-Es and Lightnings. One huge pushback I see when I have someone who is EV curious is either 1st hand or word of mouth nightmare stories of rental companies like Avis and Enterprise incentivizing renting electric vehicles (typically non Teslas) without properly demonstrating how to charge those vehicles on public charging stations. I've witnessed it 1st hand having a level 3 CCS charger at my dealership in Las Vegas and having an Ionic 5 or ID4 pulling in where the customer has no understanding of how to initiate charging. In every instance of negative charging experience it deters and postpones EV adoption. It's a complicated issue with half of it being the CCS infrastructure and the other half being the rental companies. But I think its a topic worth it's own video.

[@PygKLB]

I had a Prius before I got my Tesla, and when my son was looking for a car, I suggested he look at PHEVs. This was a year and a half ago, and it turned out PHEVs were even more expensive than plain hybrids. I see this is still true.

[@robsengahay5614]

They are more expensive mainly because they have a bigger battery.

[@PygKLB]

@myhome772 to be honest, I was disappointed that my 2005 Prius was a hybrid that had no battery-only mode.

[@PygKLB]

@myhome772 compared to my 18 mpg Eurovan? Abosolutely.

[@billyehh]

You did not mention insurance. I investigated and found out that insurance for a Model Y was 5 times what I am paying now. My brother in Vancouver had to wait 4 months for parts for his Model 3. He drove his diesel VW Jetta instead. My mechanic around the corner said that it is so difficult to get information and parts that he does not know of any independent mechanics who fixes them.

[@armandoreyes1029]

Man, you inspired me, really, I'm from Panamá (not the US city) and man, here's the same, people here are die hard petrol heads. I bought a brand new SUV EV for 20k!, yeah, it's a Chinese brand, but man, it has so much things packed in that it doesn't really feel like a 20k car! I've been looking to make a similar channel to yours but localized for my country to make awareness of the advantages of EVs and debunk some myths and misconceptions; our country is a speck of dust compared to yours in terms of size, so EV range is not a big deal at all, yet people still believe they'll get zeroed out on the road. I charge with a LV1 charger at home at that is more than enough for me, imagine the possibilities with a LV2 or a LV3 carger.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

At the Everything Electric Canada 2024, Sandy Munro of Munro Live repeated the following at multiple panel discussions: "Hybrids will become the pet rock of the automotive industry." I agree. Hybrids make no sense. When you look at PHEVs, such as the Toyota Prius Prime, Ford Escape, etc., they provide sufficient all-electric range to more than cover the average daily requirements for US drivers (40 miles). Meanwhile, when operating on only battery, the vehicle must carry around hundreds of pounds of an unused internal combustion engine. Then, when operating as an ICEV, the vehicle must carry around hundreds of pounds of a depleted battery. Buy an EV for everyday driving and rent an ICE vehicle for the edge cases.

[@consolemaster]

Hybrids are still almost 1000 lbs less than an EV. And, since most people who drive hybrids, they generally on occassions will want to drive long distances to see family and relatives. Unless they have money to buy two cars, one for EV and one for ICE, that's their alternative is to buy PHEV. On that note, they probably have limited time to spend on vacation so if they have to wait 20-30 minutes each and everytime to charge up, doesn't make sense to them.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@consolemaster I'm an EV owner. Mine is a Bolt EUV that weighs 3,500 lbs., which is about the same as comparable subcompact ICE SUVs (Chevy Trax, Mazda CX-30, Buick Envista, Nissan Kicks, etc.). You can look it up. Looking at an example of a true apples-to-apples comparison, a Kia Niro (ICE) weighs 3,071 lbs. The Kia Niro PHEV weighs 3,336 lbs. and the Kia Niro EV weighs 3,721 lbs., just 385 lbs. more than the PHEV. So, an error of more than 250%. As for charging on roadtrips, the time difference between charging (10% to 80%) vs. fueling is pretty negligible. As an example, when I stop to charge, I also take the opportunity to use the restroom, top up the ice in my tumbler, grab a drink and/or some food, perhaps stretch my legs a bit. I did the same when driving my ICE vehicle and fueling stops were about the same or just a little less. So that argument's a wash, as well. On the flip side, I recently traveled over 1,000 miles each way. The total cost of charging? $230. Assuming $3.25/gallon at 18 mpg, the cost of fuel would've been $395. That equates to a 42% cost reduction.

[@dayoadeosun1520]

@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt Even though the weight of ICE/hybrid or EV may not be that much diff from each other, not everyone would frequently love to stop and spend 20 - 30mins to stretch their legs and use a toilet that long. Also, this journey you mentioned, ...traveled over 1,000 miles each way, why compare the cost of your journey to an inefficient ICE car that does 18mpg? a Kia Niro HEV or PHEV would do this journey at least 40mpg and reducing the cost to $162.5. Even Toyota Prius/Corolla/Camry would even do it better at 50mpg. It is cheaper and less time consuming to do a road trip with an efficient HEV/PHEV than EV, especially if the road is way more longer than the range of the EV.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@dayoadeosun1520 I'm guessing that you missed the point that mine was a personal example. I had the choice of either my Bolt EUV Premier, or my ProMaster. I don't own a more efficient ICEV and renting one for the trip would've made the economics even worse for ICE.

[@dayoadeosun1520]

@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt I get the points you have made in your earlier chats. I feel that you were making a counter argument, why EV show be adopted, and the masses should see ICEV as a staled technology, based on your personal example. I just wanted you to see that your scenario may only work for you and not for many people. You encouraged someone to 'Buy an EV for everyday driving and rent an ICE vehicle for the edge cases' but you realised that 'renting one for the trip would've made the economics even worse for ICE'. It may not always be convenient to rent an ICEV for road trips that are more than the range of an EV, especially during an emergency hospital visit/family trip. Also, you may not have enough time to choose the ICEV you prefer. But it makes more sense to get one efficient HEV/PHEV that can do both trips. I drive a Toyota Prius Excel PHEV in the UK and it is the best of both worlds to me. When I bought the car 3yrs ago, it was comparable to either MG5 or Nissan leaf and both cars were more expensive to own than my car. Telsa was out of my budget

[@grahamcastle8189]

Hi a UK viewer here. Please keep up your great work educating the public. We have a new government here and they have just announced that hybrids can be sold here until 2035, they have yet to reveal what they mean by a hybryd.

[@ShadLife]

Since I own a home I had a level 2 charger installed in my garage. I drive about 5 - 7 days and then plug in overnight to have a fully charged car again ready for another 5 - 7 days of driving. And wow is it cheaper than owning a gas powered car....by a lot!

[@AdventuresAtHome1]

That's our sleazy MSM! I stopped listening to them 7 years ago.

[@ScrappyDoodad]

Hybrids are ICE vehicles with EV parts

[@letsgotospace1900]

Some are BEVs with an ICE generator to charge the battery.

[@kestrelglassingsystems6704]

It’s important to note that the data coming out on PHEV usage indicates that a majority of drivers do not plug them in and therefore they to not see anything near to the stated mpgE. Driver behavior really matters with PHEV.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

I’d love to learn more, can you send me the data? [e-mail]

[@troym79]

These are so good. Keep'em coming. Thanks Ben!

[@johnnyforeigner11]

Once you realise that no legacy car maker can produce an EV without making a hefty loss, you can understand why they are pushing hybrids It's an act of desperation, using the excuse that it's what their customers want.

[@mateharris]

Good point about plug-in hybrids leading people to the realization that they don’t need ICE, and a rental could cover that infrequent road trip concern.

[@leeedens9497]

What the media fails to tell people, is that car companies are offering more hybrid and hybrid-only models than what they used to, so, by this very fact, more hybrids are selling, but are those new hybrid sales just displacing the non-hybrid ICE sales those car companies would have gotten anyway, the better question is, how are these new hybrid models doing that didn't exist 3-years ago vs existing hybrids vs non-hybrid ICE models

[@kjakan79]

Toyota is the new Kodak

[@kjakan79]

@myhome772 the point was the dangers of being slow to adopt new technology, not where the company was founded. EV is the future. And that didn’t fit in the Toyotas 100year plan. They wanted to wait, and now they are fucked.

[@yo2trader539]

@@kjakan79 I'm confused. What's the point in losing US$5bn each year like Ford for selling BEVs? And Toyota sales are very strong, so much so some of the customers are forced to wait months for their hybrid vehicles.

[@kjakan79]

@@yo2trader539 confused? There are few corporate blunders as shocking as Kodaks missed opportunities in digital photography. Kodak sales were strong. Then they went bust. Still confused?

[@jackhong1981]

I travel to other cities regularly but I still love travelling on my EV. Find a hotel with ac charger, which is everywhere now and it is fully charged in the next morning.

[@LeeWinkler]

Hey Ben, really really enjoying this debunking series. I took to facebook a while back before you started this and did my own series. Its started quite a few interesting conversations. Ive even linked a couple of your videos in it. Anyway, comment on this. I dont think that hybrids are the worst of both worlds... though i have said that in the past. Depending on how the hybrid is spec'd and its design. A full ICE over electric, like the new Ramcharger or the one that Deboss is doing custom....with a battery pack capable of 80 or so miles....to me....thats IDEAL out here in rural Nebraska. Having a VERY usable daily electric range along with ICE backup is fantastic. Now the REAL difference is...."Are we designing a gas car with electric, or are we designing and electric car with gas backup?" To me, that perspective is the difference between a good hybrid and a hybrid in name only.

[@simoncrooke1644]

You're right about one thing, the internet doesn't need any more opinions, including yours.

[@Larry-Hi]

Waited 1.5 yrs for my Toyota RAV4 hybrid and I love it. Avg 43 mpg combined, May eventually buy the model Y juniper.

[@UTArch1]

Anyone in marketing will know that the strongest emotion to evoke for sales is FEAR.

[@Melchirobin]

1:55 it’s because Tesla does not have dealerships to sell vehicles from. You can’t really know how many days the vehicle has been on the lot if there is not really a tracking of which vehicles are on the lot.

[@balkanleopard9728]

Have a look at the range. Maybe that's an issue? Where I live public chargers are typically 50 to 60 km apart and one or two are often not working. That means that after charging I must immediately reduce my range by 50 km so that I have the option to go to the next charging station if I arrive and find a station out of service. Next there is the huge decrease in range at highway speeds - around 20% - and more if I'm running the heating or cooling. So, the stated range of all ev's is almost meaningless; you've just got to plan for a stressful day if you're going more than two or three hundred kms away from home. My wife and I have therefore changed our travelling patterns - we just don't go if at all possible.

[@TheDaniel9]

One reason that plug-in hybrids might be laying in sales is that there simply are much fewer options. I just got a Ford Maverick and would have greatly preferred a plug-in version, but it simply isn't offered. I like the trade offs of PIHs, having a smaller, cheaper battery that covers most or all my daily use and the generator to supplement when needed.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

An old adage applies to the CNBC story, as well as those like it: Numbers don't lie, good accountants do. The sad truth is that it's possible to use certain numbers to support a narrative. In this case, CNBC used a metric that's not objective or quantifiable. Year-over-year growth is objectively the best metric by which to judge growth of anything. Why? Because it can only be downwardly influenced by a single factor: Supply. Assuming no supply chain issues, labor strikes, or manufacturer production limits, supply should be able to keep pace with consumer demand. While it's undeniable that EV sales growth has slowed, year-over-year EV sales remain healthy. Why has growth slowed? Could it be that the market for the current crop of EVs is reaching saturation? Could it be that manufacturers aren't producing the vehicles for which the market is ripe (right-sized, affordable BEVs)? A new Tesla Model 3 sells for $40,390 (Destination and Order Fees included). Less the $7,500 clean vehicle credit, that brings the price to $33,130. That's a killer deal for one of the best selling vehicles in the US. The numbers, data and statistics don't lie.

[@schofieldmoss4357]

After our new government here in New Zealand removed the EV subsidy and introduced per km tax on EVs earlier this year, Hybrids have taken off and EV sales have reduced by ~70% compared to the same period in 2023. Hybrids are cheaper to buy than EVs, and with the per km tax on EVs, hybrids are cheaper to run too, even when compared to charging an EV on a cheap overnight tariff. So it's easy to see why people prefer hybrids over EVs. Currently the per km tax on EVs is the same as diesel (petrol cars don't pay per km tax because they are taxed at the pump, diesel is not). PHEVs pay half the per km tax compared to EVs. EV proponents like myself are hoping that the planned introduction of per km tax for all and the removal of tax from the pump will happen sooner rather than later, but is currently planned to happen from 2027. This will level the playing field, as currently a hybrid is paying 50% less tax than an EV to use the roads.

[@elainebradley8213]

We have no infrastructure close to us in our rural area, but our home charging takes care of our driving needs. If we drive 2.5 hours we get to our first Tesla charger, but we still have enough power to drive to the next Tesla charger in the next city with room to spare. Nice.

[@makerspace533]

I look at hybrids as the compact fluorescent lightbulb of the car world. Sort of a temporary bridge between ICE and EV. As an engineer I can't ever imagine what good comes from taking two complex drive trains and combining them. You would still have an ICE engine with hundreds of moving parts, a clutch, a transmission, oil changes, and a tank full of volatile fuel. Then add to it the electronics and battery of the electric drive train.

[@danielperrine1728]

Great work man. Keep these informational videos coming!

[@KenPaulsen13]

Toyota's CEO didn't say max 30% EV adoption b/c he believed it, he said it so you might believe it and therefor retain a larger, profitable ICE marketshare longer (i.e. slow the inevitable EV switch).

[@scwyldspirit]

Ben, I saw a video yesterday talking about how the Tesla Superchargers degraded the guys battery and that he had to have it swapped out 3 times.

[@dyemanoz]

Also note that the plugin hybrid mpg figure includes an assumption that owners will plug in every day. This may not be the case - a year or two ago there was a survey of plug-in drivers in the UK which reported that 92% of drivers never plugged in (so actually used more fuel than regular hybrids due to additional weight of the larger battery). To be fair this set of vehicles and associated running costs were provided to drivers as part of their pay package so there was no financial incentive to plug them in….

[@consolemaster]

they don't user more fuel...site the source please

[@tonystorcke]

Batteries exist that are absolutely impossible to set on fire. The average EV battery has at least a slim chance of catching fire. The hybrids that are out now have those inferior batteries. Gasoline is flammable 100 percent of the time.

[@makerspace533]

Teslas are not sold off the lot, they are sold on order. It is generally 4 - 6 weeks to receive the Tesla after you order it. So their time on the lot is actually a negative number. That wouldn't work well in their narrative.

[@tpro68]

I have a 2017 volt, lifetime 250 mpg, it will be a long time before I buy a BEV. I'm at 20% gas 80% electric. Electric all the time local driving. Drove to northern ca last weekend. BEV is out of the question for me

[@BigCarKilla]

Wait, what? If I need to drive a 400km round trip, there isn’t an ev on the market that has the highway mileage to achieve this.

[@rp9674]

Autoline daily seems to regularly reference the EV slow down, then quarterly announced the increase in EV sales like it's a surprise