The Melee Bug you NEEDED to Know about in Helldivers 2 (fixed)

[@EravinVT]

Just a quick tip before I pass out another 8 hours, i'll be back on the warbond video grind in the mornin

[@wesselvanharrewijn3082]

Also, the shields are bugged when interacting with melee enemies. Their animations go through your body to hit you from behind. The only shield that doesnt have this is the shield generatlr backpack.

[@corysteiner1218]

If you want a funny short, the new "This is Democracy" emote can be used as a melee attack.

[@giantslayer9335]

That means the stun spear is even BETTER than I thought it was. I’ve only been using the primary fire with peak physique and it’s been chewing through adds and stunning Overseers

[@EravinVT]

yep! it one shots voteless to the body

[@michaelc6473]

That's a crazy take. I was severely disappointed in the spear with peak physique. I've been using the viper commando armor since it came out because it makes my HMG god tier, but the lack of melee damage was VERY noticeable. Yes it stuns the big bois, but then I have to stab them 4-6 extra times to kill them. It's not time efficient when your in the thick of it.

[@agentqshmickelfritz8714]

Oh man! I already though it was good against the overseers, now it's gonna be crazy!

[@jamieamcmaster4752]

So they do do damage and not just stum ?

[@louiesatterwhite3885]

​@@jamieamcmaster4752yes. Their damage stat is not listed in game but still does damage

[@ObsidianG]

Classic Arrowhead. Guess I'll be pressing the F key a lot to pay respects to the Voteless.

[@TotPocket]

Very fitting

[@gregorbonne9089]

F

[@rasmusniller6411]

On console pressing the stick to melee is going to be horrible

[@Kaiserin_Emmeline]

@rasmusniller6411 I play on PS5 and am not looking forward to that lol. Here's hoping they patch it before I get 400 more super credits from my super couch cushions and blow it all immediately on the warbond.

[@msm007]

I too came here to comment classic AH.

[@Gammy7]

I don’t think many people know but your able to kill chargers in 5-7 stabs to the leg with the stun lance. It also stuns them in place after 1 hit

[@deanofett]

Goodness that's strong. It has enough AP for that? I wish the stats screen gave any information other than "recoil 8"

[@UnkyJosh420]

@@deanofett Bro I agree! There needs to be more info and statistics shown. Many games like AARPGS show everything! We get like 3 vanilla stats. Like... I really want to know why there's a stun lance.. and stick? I wanna see the stats.

[@curtisbrown547]

​​@@deanofett bruh ah stats be like "idk man... it shoots some bullets probably.. more than 5.."

[@daviddavidson2357]

​@@deanofettIt's classic arrowhead "we know better than the players" "We don't want to swamp the players with information" Maybe they should add an *advanced stats* button in the options menu. Bet 75% of people use it.

[@SeneschalStudios]

@@daviddavidson2357 No joke, compared to something like Armored Core there's just NO information to go off of with the weaponry. People play that game just fine.

[@sammy_wills]

Fun fact. Melee weapons will absolutely LAUNCH the cars in the cities.

[@coffeeconfirmed3609]

Yes!

[@moebeans72]

You can also merge with them if you equip a ballistic shield (don’t recommend though, it’s a bit hard to move with 2 tons of steel on your arm

[@LethalOwl]

There's another, arguably crazier bug going on, but it has a 'positive' effect (until it's fixed). The new armor passives. It supposedly increases primary weapon reload and mag count, but it actually boosts the same for secondary weapons AND support weapons too. Suddenly I ran around with 10 liberator mags, 10 verdict mags and 4 mags for the MG. Literal bulletstorm with no end in sight. I'm sure this will be fixed soon though (will feel bad when it does, though. 'Nerf', even though it was never intended to be this good). I doubt it gives more rockets to something that uses a backpack though, like the autocannon or rocket backpacks.

[@AdmiralTails]

Can confirm that it doesn't do anything for backpacks.

[@Zebrastripegum-m2j]

@@LethalOwl Snitch

[@foorman2837]

Shhhhhh dont let them know please😂

[@LethalOwl]

@@AdmiralTails Yeah, thought it was the case. Thanks for testing.

[@LethalOwl]

@@foorman2837 Sorry xD I'm sure they figured out quickly themselves.

[@HandiNap]

Currently with the new spear weapon plus peak physique armor you can launch the non drivable cars around like they weigh literally nothing. Can even use it to make blockades to force enemies a different direction

[@martinvicktor]

@HandiNap even without it you can, with riot shield you have like bubble around you that pushes them around

[@K1NG_of_ReVeNGe1]

Works with both weapons and not tied to the armor perk

[@krio3060]

I always try to launch them into my friends

[@UnkyJosh420]

@@martinvicktor I love the riot shield. I have not tested it yet against Squids. Tested the new energy shield and it is pretty good but breaks. Had no idea the ballistic shield would do that lol!

[@cwpandalum]

You can also push around pelican one with the cars

[@noxlumine]

It sounds like some spaghetti code. When the Armor perk was introduced, the only Melee was your melee button. With melee weapons, it may still be registering as 'Fire'. Most likely issue on addressing this fix? Either all of the Melee weapons will get classified as 'Melee' for the Perk, the Perk breaks, or more spaghetti and the attempt at fixing doubles Secondary Weapon damage by accident.

[@artyomnikulenko7096]

My guess? The melee weapons have two attacks: let's call them "QuickMelee" and "PrimaryFire". They are identical copies in every way, except one is considered "quick melee" and the other "PrimaryAttack", hence Peak Physique doesn't apply. As you have stated when Peak Physique was introduced we only had Quick Melee, so devs didn't bother creating contingencies for exotic melee weapons. Pretty funny

[@zhongxina2257]

me and my friend were thinking about this. So we tested it on bots. It works fine both LMB and F. Armors without peak physique kill twice longer

[@kaden-sd6vb]

@@zhongxina2257 yeah same here, I've clearly got a faster TTK with peak physique than without despite only LMB stabbing.

[@nitwriter4804]

@@zhongxina2257 It works, it's a bug people think is a thing but really still functions fine.

[@thewitchidolsachika6682]

Same, without peak physique my TTK on bugs dropped tremendously, from "actually a fun way to play" to "rofl build".

[@noblejullien6990]

Hey thanks for the call out! I was a little confused by it😅

[@miemsliva4464]

Another is that using the melee (at least with the baton) will cause stamina to begin regenerating immediately.

[@franklinclinton3211]

Holy shit thats some spaghetti code right their wtf

[@Necro_fury]

rather than spagetthi they probably completely forgot to add the scaling to something other than the melee button

[@MorganSaph]

@@Necro_fury I woulda thought it would be a damage type. That was it wouldn't matter what you pressed, melee is melee.

[@Steir12]

​@@MorganSaphIts an attack type. Perk is coded to interact with melee attacks only, but they coded melee weapons to have primary attack that is virtually identical to its melee attack but its missing the melee flag.

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

@@Necro_furythat’s what we call spaghetti my dude

[@Gekquerel]

​@@muscularclassrepresentativ5663its not spaghetti code, its an oversight

[@BillabongPhoenix]

you can also use the new emote kick to make combos , deals not much dmg but dont cost stamina

[@decat4]

Basically the melee weapons are just secondaries but with a rescripted primary attack that is exactly the same as melee, but they forgot to label the attack as a melee

[@Joseph-mw2rl]

In my testing they do the same amount of damage, hive guards die to 3 stabs to the face, whether or not you're using melee or left click

[@ncgzeal]

same here, maybe it's fixed?

[@colonelsouffle3042]

This is a certified Arrowhead moment. Thank you for the PSA! Doing Liberty's work as always.

[@eduardvandenheever8565]

Thanks for the PSA Eravin. Good to know.

[@manray005]

An interesting thing I noticed as well is the constitution bayonet doesn't count towards your melee kills. At least it didn't before this patch. It may have been fixed

[@HonestNotModest80085]

Actually coming back to note fixed in the title is such a W move

[@PIGEON5265]

Woah woah woah- so you mean i was dealing LESS? Sweet liberty, that is awesome!

[@antoniszlazak]

Such a banger that it appeared thrice in my recommendations

[@Deadsnake989]

That's WILD, what a weird bit of spaghetti code.

[@LethalOwl]

Honestly didn't really notice very much, I had fun spamming LMB through all enemies with the lance and baton and doing 'okay' xD Knowing I can dish out even more damage and exit the match with even more melee kills will just be even more fun.

[@DirtyMike124x]

Jesus I'm glad I know at least now, I was JUST gonna try the combo out this morning

[@kingkiller_mata]

Do throwing knifes count as melee dmg can you use peak physique with them?

[@K1NG_of_ReVeNGe1]

*Throwing* knifes don't count as melee, tf

[@diegotorres1746]

I mean... the video demonstration shows that first aim then attack xD Thanks for the video.

[@stephenyoung3909]

Sick! I am glad we have all come to the conclusion that was a bug.

[@ScorpoCorpo]

Insights like this is why I subbed. Not just for Helldivers, too

[@kyiore]

I WAS LITERALLY WONDERING THIS

[@popattara]

but kick Emote work with peak phys.

[@JabAtLife]

Good to know for the main video, not so much for the end

[@delvinmal1387]

The stun spear tactic I use is aim at the knee, once they fall their head will line up with where you were aiming while their immobilized.

[@Stephen92C]

Never thought of a v-tuber that plays Helldivers 2

[@grungyemu]

Which of the melee weapons are primary or secondary? I dont know how they work yet, and i dont want to use supercredits on them before i know

[@charlestwoo]

All new melee weapons are secondary weapons

[@Predman1227]

They really should make it that melee weapons have two attack animations. A stab and swipe. Imagine the lance being able to sweep from side to side.

[@theredbar-cross8515]

Eravin never misses.

[@youseemerage9711]

Dog breath guard dog, peak physique, and stun baton feels like it's going to be a fun bonk build

[@DinoCopRulezTheWORLD]

JEZUS :) Awesome catch man :) tip for you - Emote THIS IS FREEDOM! - is also dealing a damage, so you can kick your enemies

[@huntersmith60]

I'm on PS5. So far I haven't had a problem with the Peak Physique working and I've been using both the baton and lance. I have only tried the heavy version but it does work for me on PS5.

[@LordEverlost]

Good to know! Thank you!

[@coffeeconfirmed3609]

I literally held together my team by holding out hordes of voteless in a bottleneck alley. Shield up and kept swinging while side stepping occasionally. Loooooove the melee

[@kyze8284]

Wait... *I can rip and tear now?!* No wonder my sniper is wanting me back in the game. Bats and belts, let's ROCK

[@immortalsoldier1367]

I hope they fix that soon because the stun baton is fantastic even with just spamming the regular fire button

[@tfallspark5104]

Wait... So you're telling me that the fucking awesome Baton is even BETTER than what I am already used too!? ... I love this goddamn game.

[@thant0s]

Much appreciated homie, did immediately feel underwhelming doing click hits and dropped it immediately. Will be good to bonk a bit properly.

[@XiahouDun1225]

Okay, just going to have to rebind my melee to an extra mouse button until this is fixed

[@darthvaper4776]

Thank u super earth appreciates this valuable information

[@TheCowboyMartyr]

Spaghetti code never fails us

[@R0N1N_K]

The stun baton should be able to be pulled out with melee key while holding primary, only catch being it takes a bit of time to pull out and put away!

[@rionsgaming7415]

omg.... I was wondering why I was tickling the squids.

[@hunmg3769]

i'm sure they'll solve this little oversight fairly soon. still funny though that they didn't think of that.

[@emeraldhawk5148]

Just thought I should let my fellow meleers know that you can "parry" Overseers, basically right has they kinda lean back or go into the pose about you hit you with their staff if you punch them, they get knocked back and cancel their attack was very satisfying the first time I did it with my fist as it even made a metallic tink when I did it

[@roguestorm2136]

I also saw voteless running through chain fences and even building pillars. Like, straight through them. I wonder if they saw that issue.

[@Spigele]

Can you test that for the baton? I don't really notice a difference

[@11Castle]

I never woulda known that lol Thank you :P

[@electrolitez4237]

I mean this just unintentional right. I’m sure they will fix it eventually

[@epgamer1145]

Well I didn’t even know the primary fire used it like that

[@ItsMadLadSir]

Arrowhead: add to the melee damage The game code: *doubling* damage from melee button

[@MiloPena-yh4bw]

Keep in mind you can stunt Chargers with these weapons as well

[@Ezra411st]

It's likely because like almost all games, there is likely some Spaghetti code in the game so they have to do it this way or it could quite literally break something more important

[@ragnarian]

as someone who has 780+ mellee kills with 78 hours BEFORE mellee weapons came out this is useful

[@lordlahmie244]

So I tested this myself, and short answer there is no difference Long answer, they did think ahead of this. Since the bonus applies to melee damage itself, not a melee attack, it's already applied. I played a mission with the stun lance without peak physique and I HATED how weak it felt. So no, pressing F doesn't deal more damage, the bonus is applied no matter what

[@HoepRemains]

Based on comments and timing, it may have been patched between the video and your comment

[@EpicBob123]

I didn't really notice this issue. When using the Lance with a different armor, it felt like it took way more hits to kill anything I used it against than when I had Peak Physique armor on. Like twice as many hits.. which checks out. Unless they fixed it already?

[@themarlboromandalorian]

Think they changed large stim boxes to only give 2 stims.

[@zemufinman1639]

Thank you greatly chief

[@simonblixt4215]

Great tip! Thx!

[@wapandaforever242]

How good is the baton(not lance) should I buy it or save up creds for warbond

[@EravinVT]

batons ass, deals 50 damage a hit but is only 20% faster then the lance with less reach, its basically a melee attack replacement that stuns

[@wapandaforever242]

@EravinVT k good to know thank you for the reply and all your content!

[@philipdrainville3592]

Omg thats why i thought it sucked so bad 😂😂 hit the legs then they will crawl towards you easy bonk to the head 2shot combo pretty fun. thanks as always

[@TulsinDerbeck]

For a fun time: Grab a shield and the baton and shout "You have the right to remain silent" "Stop resisting" "He's got a gun"

[@alexanderandersson4093]

What weapon slot do they occupy?

[@Dstryrr]

I had a feeling it would be as simple as that

[@kurtisdeakin]

The new cinderblock armour passive doesn't seem to work either. My conclusive has no more bullets than normal and reload times feel unchanged

[@YummYDelicious0]

I’d love to say I’m surprised but that’s par for the course with Arrowhead

[@elliotcovington5739]

You can dive at overseers and stun them until they die

[@charliestepson90]

Does the ballistic shield actually bloke melee hits when paired with the spear? It seems like it doesnt work for me.

[@zssdfounder4607]

Unfortunately, the ballistic shield has never been able to block melee strikes from enemies.

[@charliestepson90]

@zssdfounder4607 Ah boo.

[@DogDoesStuff]

How do you get the baton?!

[@Sadcatblake]

I wish that stratagems were locked behind warbonds, good primary’s sure but stratagems are way to important to have to grind credits from when those are super rare to find.

[@K1NG_of_ReVeNGe1]

Play the game more or use your PS Stars points to buy credits. PC takes the L

[@micdoge1566]

Also hitting cars with the baton sends them flying

[@SuperSurferDan]

Suggestions for ps5 controller bind for this?

[@zhongxina2257]

me and my friend were thinking about this. So we tested it on bots. It works fine both LMB and F. Armors without peak physique kill twice longer

[@Stix2654]

I still used the melee with m1 unknowingly not dealing more damage I still felt unstoppable with my ballistic shield being a Roman soldier dropping hundreds of melee kills

[@zemufinman1639]

Arrowhead says it works just fine and they used a debug mode that shows damage to see the damage was correct What test did you do to get these results?

[@Johnj1002]

Heya Eravin!

[@EravinVT]

heya!

[@Soullessnite]

We need an axe and battle hammer for this game next That would be awey

[@Hackerman9784]

I don't know if Eravin is smoking crack or not, but there is no difference in damage whether or not you hit the melee button or not. QA reports literally confirmed it themselves, he made a mistake somewhere. If I had to guess, it's probably the weakspot multiplier that messed him up.

[@HoepRemains]

Or it got patched

[@alejandroacero6690]

I've been trying this with the voteless and I still kill them in the same 2 hits.... But if this is that case it's a big problem since you can not aim and cover with the melee button

[@ethanlowe5162]

I never noticed this, and was experiencing placebo effect the whole time 😅

[@loboseesthings6269]

I'm sure for the melee they'll fix that for sure

[@thebosstre]

The melee also makes cars have zero weight And float (The cars in the city not the drivable ones) it's funni

[@Pardo_Giftshop]

so i have press F?..the default key for melee?..or any melee key we bind?

[@chaplainrex]

Does this effect controllers as well?

[@gbishel]

So..is a feature. You can do soft damage, or full damage.

[@zombielordsavior2580]

Hopefully a fix for that is coming soon. I dont wanna wear out the thubstick on my controller

[@XalenPrime]

So are we just screwed if on ps5? Or is there a mele button?

[@skotari]

right stick? i'm somewhat amazed you've gone this long not knowing there's a melee attack. you can parry bugs with it.

[@greenquartz8554]

thats a fair mistake to make, they never had a melee weapon before so they just tied that 100% damage buff to the melee key instead of the melee attack

[@zenicwave3696]

So are they going to fix that?

[@RoniDraws]

Thats a funny oversight

[@dodobird679]

might be just me, but it seems like this bug has already been fixed? using melee key or primary fire both seem to deal the same damage now, at least on bot side

[@jackey6149]

i hope they fix this but knowing arrowhead it will make all weapons do 100% more damage

[@alexnewsome24]

Thank you!!!

[@maliticus7474]

Arrowhead always gonna Arrowhead... PS: Gotta love that we're back to having to run into the middle of spawn bases to chuck a grenade in a hole again because even the recoilless can't pen warp ship armor...

[@louiesatterwhite3885]

Just get an angle