The Mercedes AMG GT Black Series is a 720HP, Front-Engined McLaren - Two Takes

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Unlike other previous Black Series Benzes, the new AMG GT Black Series has a totally unique engine. This is important, because it goes, feels, and sounds completely different from all other AMG cars on sale right now. But the engine isn't all: it has wild, GT3-style aerodynamics, super sticky track day tires, and a host of weight reduction features aimed squarely at making this the fastest, most agile Mercedes of all time.
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The Mercedes AMG GT Black Series is a 720HP, Front-Engined McLaren - Two Takes
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[@TheSmokingTire]

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[@CraigBrosRacing]

Cant wait till matt realizes that elon is buying MERC and his precious gwagon will be made by his best friend,pin pal,life coach elon...lmfao!!!!!

[@Twobarpsi]

Please no more Zack.

[@AjayKumar-yj9jf]

One video on Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren review please sir request ❤️

[@JDub33333]

This is what the “faster edition” of a car should be. Not just different wheels and blacked out badges but in essence a different car with numerous improvements.

[@davidknuckles6330]

Expensive. People buy the badged up ones for $15k+ extra, so you have to imagine how much money they lost (comparatively) re-engineering so much for the sake of lower number that matters less and less to less and less people. Mainly a flex to competing manufacturers than something that other automakers would have any incentive to make without that impetus

[@papa_pt]

It's what M used to do before switching over to turbos (S58 is great but the TT v8s aren't different enough from the 50i cars)

[@BrendanEvan]

Incredible stuff

[@JacesOwnWorld]

@@papa_pt I was just going to say this

[@Audfile]

What car has ever been advertised as a "faster edition" with just blacked out wheels?

[@BrendanEvan]

In 10 years when there’s an AMG Black Series Electric car, this thing will still be hugely sought after

[@stevenbowman5894]

Definitely and think sooner

[@sund5]

You guys sure black series will be electric? Has AMG said that? Not just guess please :-)

[@snape1464]

I like that it's actually focussed. Not some half ***ed attempt to please everyone, but a car built for one purpose. More cars should be that way I think

[@xtnuser5338]

I agree with that. If you've got the money for something like this, you can probably afford a more comfortable daily driver too. Why would you want one car that's compromised to do everything if you can afford separate cars for each task? I've got a GT3RS, an Exige, a 335i, an F250 and a '93 Civic VX.

[@opmike343]

As I get older, lightweight, naturally aspirated cars that aren't constantly trying to kill you are becoming more and more my favorite cars. But the 720S and GT are so fucking nuts, I can't help but lust after them.

[@sund5]

??? The kill you factor is what to go for? I have a 2005 Zx10r. That's 170 kg, 175 HP. No ABS, No TC. No nothing. Yeah I am kinda badass, no doubt. The bike is also called a widow maker. Live a little son 💃

[@DeliriumzzZ]

@@sund5 Alright EdgeLord.

[@aluisious]

@@sund5 LOL "I am kinda badass." Nah.

[@R03333]

@@sund5 "but at least he was so badass" - Mourners at your funeral after emergency services have hosed you off the road after your inevitable wreck

[@sund5]

@@R03333 you will get this one, my fine sir: "A helmet is really just a legal requirement after 200 km/h. Only a true petrolhead loves the feeling of crossing that line and oblivion is the price of failure, and the only reward is the thrill of speed." I wish you a lovely evening ❤️

[@saarangsingh3656]

Sublime. Will be regarded as one of the all-time Merc’s as time goes on.

[@RadDadisRad]

For sure. It’s an incredible car but this hits a bit different compared to most.

[@lifesAtrip513]

Merc is the nickname for Mercury lol not a Benz

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

Mercedes-Benz: Builds a purely track focused car for setting lap records. Journalists: Why no comfort? Could be harsh on long trips.

[@flyingphoenix113]

It's the same thing as when people/journalists (and mostly influencers) complained about the Pista, 765LT, 600LT, 812 Competizione, Aventador SVJ, etc. These are *track cars!* The road is *not* their natural environment, and their laurels do not rest on their comfort over a speed bump.

[@givemeajackson]

@@flyingphoenix113 their natural environment is a garage with the battery disconnected... if they're not currently being auctioned.

[@spdcrzy]

They DID mention that "it shouldn't be quiet" either. But the expectation for EVERY segment has always been to expand the performance envelope in every direction - which this purposefully does NOT do. And also keep in mind this IS still a Mercedes. There is an expectation of comfort and refinement, even from the AMG GT63 Coupe, which sits one level below and to the side of this car. They make a good point that people who have bought a model LIKE the AMG GT63 in the past for canyon driving should NOT expect the same kind of experience from this model at all (and you know some people WILL make that kind of comparison, however invalid it is).

[@TheTkpham]

This is Mercedes saying Yes, we make the G-Wagon for celebs and the S-class for Execs, but we also dominate F1 and GT racing in a way none of the other German manufacturers do. It doesn't even try to be subtle or classy. I love my JDM cars, but the best they do by comparison is an A-spec steering wheel that says "We make the NSX" or a moving gauge bezel that reminds the world they once made the LFA. I love how out of character this feels to 99% of Mercedes on the road today.

[@RAZGR1Z]

A Honda motor won the Driver's Championship this year. :)

[@TheTkpham]

@@RAZGR1Z Let's hope that translates into some products to get excited about. They don't seem to be particularly daring with the upcoming Integra so far. I'm still hoping to see a proper RWD sports car, possibly a successor to the S2000, or maybe a mid-engined baby NSX like Toyota's old MR2.

[@XDG_97X]

This is way louder than EU version 🤣

[@jlopez1017d]

Remember when EU would get better versions of their cars than the US spec? Now we get better versions because EU laws have nuetered ICE vehicles.

[@ahemgee9542]

No OPF on US cars.

[@sund5]

You guys got the m6 manual. Will never forgive you! ;)

[@brunobegic3841]

There were actually quite a lot of instances when the US got a better car than the rest of the world. V10 M5/M6 with a stick, that limited edition E36 M3 that was US only and the V8 Land Rover Defender ae the first ones that crossed my mind.

[@jameswillard1]

@@brunobegic3841unfortunately the manual in the M6/M5 was rubbish and didn’t gel with the V10 nearly as well as the SMG

[@RadDadisRad]

This reminds me of Mercedes answer to the Dodge Viper ACR.

[@DolphinDivingChamp]

no its an answer to a 2rs

[@augustortiz]

I think somehow both of your comments apply. This thing is quite literally the mix between an ACR and a GT2RS.

[@ahemgee9542]

The Black Series was never exclusively based on a 63 badged car. The first one was the SLK55 AMG and there was the SL65 also. Also this US car with no OPFs is much louder than the EU version.

[@megu2272]

It seems that Mercedes has come full circle since the dissolvement of the McLaren-Mercedes partneship

[@0wninguplz]

good for mercedes

[@TheMitch12356]

The partnership was mostly for F1. Which ended in 2014. They only made one car to celebrate their F1 success together.

[@fullsendsimracing]

They ended the official partnership but it does seem like they haven't fully ended their cooperation and knowledge transfer. If someone told me that's the same engine from the 720S I'd believe them

[@flyingphoenix113]

@@fullsendsimracing, well. It isn't. The engine in the 720S is a derivative of the Nissan TT V8 built by TWR for Group C/IMSA GTP. The engine was purchased by McLaren and is now assembled by Riccardo. No Merc involvement (sadly, since Mercedes would likely have made it much more reliable).

[@fullsendsimracing]

@@flyingphoenix113 you are correct sir, did not know that

[@RadDadisRad]

It’s a phenomenal car. I haven’t been excited about a Mercedes since the CLK-GTR

[@augustortiz]

Not even SLR 722, CLK63 BS, C63 BS or SLS BS ?

[@RadDadisRad]

Nope. The SLR 722 was a McLaren and the other cars don’t have a proprietary engine.

[@myemailiscool]

wish we could've seen this track beast on the tighter LA canyon roads, but here we got to appreciate the raw speed.

[@TheSmokingTire]

This road was tight enough, honestly.

[@computiNATEor]

Highway 33 is one of the best driving roads in the country. Completely jealous of that experience, haha.

[@sirfriendzone1228]

@@TheSmokingTire According to Shmee150 who owned a Pro and now owns a Black Series, the Pro has a noticeably stiffer and less comfortable suspension than the Black Series.

[@HellzHonour]

Damn, the car is already filled with tons of swirls. Lol

[@undergroundoutlaw411]

Never buy an ex-press car loll

[@RadDadisRad]

@@undergroundoutlaw411 if you can get a warranty it’s the best deal.

[@raygotz1069]

Seen a few of these in person and wow are they stunning! Form follows function and the numbers back it up, great review and loved the front camera view

[@Andrew-zx9wx]

Love the dash to axle and looks of this. What a track monster!

[@webfreakz]

Oooh can't wait for the Lambo STO review

[@goodnightmoon4703]

This car evokes a certain type of emotion that cannot be described by words

[@andeleputo89]

Saw one of these on the road recently, incredible looking machine, has such an aggressive presence

[@bzmaro]

Probably sounds so stupid but I LOVEEE how the rolling shots properly show how much you were mobbing! Excellent video!

[@blackfish4674]

Definitely will appreciate in value. A future classic. May go for around a mil in 5 years

[@rajeevmittoo4221]

The car is an example of innovation🔥the record was broken on semi wet road. Absolute beast and big up for that legendary driver 💪

[@will_l]

Engine drone is so loud I can barely hear Zack speak lol

[@RadDadisRad]

Noise canceling ear protection

[@chrise2329]

I love how OTT AMG went with this.

[@khalidf1]

This spec is so sexy. The way the colors pop is just amazing. Beautiful beast!

[@teamredgutz399]

Wow. That does not sound like any AMG I have ever heard. Very aggressive. Great differentiation from the non Black Series cars as it should be for that premium.

[@fullsendsimracing]

That humongous bonnet is just something else. This car is a unique experience, and the fact that it's the fastest production car on the Nordschleife with that layout is just bonkers. Unbelievable piece of kit.

[@jonbuckley5049]

Absolute work of art!!!

[@vicksss8324]

Zack's subtle jokes here and there are so clever.

[@TheLoopmeister]

If he’s so clever why isn’t he rich?

[@tiborpandza8530]

@@TheLoopmeister damn who shit in your cornflakes bud? Give yer balls a tug

[@jameswillard1]

@@TheLoopmeister maybe because he wasn’t born into wealth and perhaps his father wasn’t the a big shot at Ralf Lauren like other KZbinrs you may or may not know 🤔

[@PsunnProductions]

@@jameswillard1 what KZbinr is that?

[@R03333]

@@PsunnProductions Matts dad is rich from the fashion industry

[@eichler721]

Loved the AMG GTR since it was first out and this is the first Black Series I have loved. The Gullwing, CLK GTR, this and the AMG One are my favorite all time from them and so good. Wish I had the money for one. A GTR I can afford but not this one sadly.

[@Nick22257]

This car would have made a phenomenal “just the noise” video. I hope they put this motor in other stuff! Great video as always

[@mTwMarco]

....not really. The sound in person is not really great....yes the non-eu version is louder than eu, but the tone itself is not good. Inside the cabin its enhanced with a sound-generator, which is just a shame.

[@Nick22257]

@@mTwMarco ohhh so needs modification, that is a shame you’re right.

[@mTwMarco]

@@Nick22257 flat-plane-v8 stays flat-plane-v8

[@supraJZA80s]

"Just the speakers"

[@ks42555]

@@supraJZA80s Lol good one

[@LitleBear]

GTC is where its at, this thing is absolutely awesome but a bit much for the street. I would want the booming V8 and more subtle looks.

[@lukewalker1051]

Would love to see you drive it at the track Matt. Best MB in my memory. Dream car for the uber rich. A Leno ride. Wow!

[@CodyU571]

Mercedes went full on gt3 rs with this one and I love them for it

[@xtnuser5338]

I'd say they went full on GT2RS with it.

[@jakesacquitne]

When I started watching this channel I dreamt about Viper ACR’s and Ferraris. Now I lust after Golf R’s and Civic Type R type vehicles. After driving a few really fast cars and seeing reviews like this I’ve realized that unless you have money for a track car and use it, there is almost zero reason for me to go beyond a 40k fast and fun daily thats comfortable and reliable. I don’t do track days so I just can’t justify it. Not saying I can afford this merc but the hassle and worry seems like it’s only for the Uber rich with a track budget. And I’m sure merc would basically admit the same thing. This car isn’t for me… but that’s why I love this channel. Let Zack and Matt sweat it out and I’ll just watch.

[@Ficon]

These 2-3 second cars are super meh in normal driving or even spirited driving unless you are willing to risk the consequences of triple digit speeds on your favorite mountain road. You break the speed limits immediately and can never go fast enough to hear the engine at high revs.

[@leehollister1199]

One thing that people don't realize is that to drive these cars at their limit you yourself have to almost be a professional driver. At 720hp you're dealing with an insane amount of power which increases your speed which then makes your braking and turn-in points extremely vital to hit perfectly every time. I have a C6Z that I've added so much power to it's not even fun to drive at the track because of how easily it rips the tires off the road during corner exit. As they say, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

[@trrmbath97]

Was watching lite Brite nation ride around nurburgring and ended up here. The car rocks.

[@joseph_8486]

Yeah this car sounds sick oh my

[@Dudeman9339]

This is a German Viper.

[@thegirthquake8574]

You know, my initial thoughts on the exhaust were "That sounds like shit", but now that the reviews are out, I'm genuinely impressed.

[@xtnuser5338]

Yeah. If you like the guttural roar, cracks and pops of their usual 4L - and I do - well this ain't that. But it's not just the exhaust, it's the whole engine that makes it so different.

[@OUTRID3R_117]

You may have been hearing the EU version which muffled

[@Jason-ld5fn]

This is how the car is supposed to sound like. Most of other videos are EU version which sounds like total shit

[@poduss44]

Just a freaking beast

[@kentbeitel9966]

I love this spec!!

[@NatedoGP]

What road is that? Awesome video by the way!

[@abduljalilmughal]

Very clever car and beautiful too!

[@TheLambo123254]

Great video

[@jamesvelvet3612]

This looks exactly like the car I was drawing when in 4th grade and the teacher started to drone on and on...Love it. EDIT: that engine sound! Good thing I can't afford one, would probably do a vinyl Big Dick wrap.

[@fgewfee]

Great Cap, Matt!

[@gesalbte]

I agree with Matt. Mercedes, please, make the flat-plane crank a ordering option for the GT's and GT C's! (And maybe the Black Series widebody kit too :3 )

[@Grez6232]

Personally, if I had that kind of money to spend on a trackable Mercedes, I'd buy a old AMG GT3 race car (c.$250-300k) and a Merc SUV to tow it. For track day use, GT3 cars are pretty cost effective

[@4lifeifly]

No they’re not...not even close to being as cheap to run on track vs any road car. Talk to someone that’s done both.

[@EdwardViaTomato]

That magma orange colorway has great presence.

[@zachg9065]

This car is EPIC

[@IdEk5627]

I didnt think it was front mid engine thats really cool

[@hussydahustla]

Just had an eargasm.

[@BS.Wickman]

Happy Belated Birthday Matt

[@E46325mod]

Sounds insane reminds me of the sls amg black series which redlined at 8,000rpm

[@francisgallozzi2595]

Longer than normal is always appreciated.

[@rjnation5042]

That was hilarious, both of you laughed like little children when you first got on the throttle, Rj in Oz

[@moose8337]

Stunning color,

[@reyo4129]

Is like Mercedes go for the American muscle adventure! front engine with a little 720HP!!

[@mwrcrft]

I will take one please and please place it on a rack in the garage till I have time from my busy schedule to get a carrier out there to pick it up. Thanks Pal

[@erniesantana508]

You forgot to mention a lot of that cabin noise is piped in.

[@supraJZA80s]

All of it. Though the speakers. Pretty awful

[@DolphinDivingChamp]

its a production race car, not gonna be a quite ride

[@Masterune178]

@@DolphinDivingChamp it is though. All that engine noise is through the speakers.

[@xtnuser5338]

@@Masterune178 First thing I would do is figure out how to kill that feature.

[@blueryxfalls7949]

Dat sound

[@timmietz]

Is horrendous.

[@skeelo69]

Matt...you ever going to get a ride in Ken Blocks Hoonicorn ?.

[@MountainSalsa]

Ty

[@DanielSadjadian]

Imagine driving this monster on track, what a car 🔥

[@ChrisDorgan]

Those road reflectors are cats eyes in the UK 😁

[@mikepawlikguitar]

That dirt and them swirlies on the bonnet makes me anxious...

[@gambanteinodal1246]

No false marketing on Mercedes-Benz behalf... You want superfast - you get superfast. If you want GT - go GTC! Brilliant by Mercedes AMG!

[@corystansbury]

Unpopular opinion: Most (but not all) flat plane cars don't sound great inside the car. This is included in that majority.

[@Globbs]

I like how smooth it is but it is not a great sound at all.

[@Ficon]

Flat plane V-8s sound like two 4-bangers.

[@royshavrick]

I like the way it sounds honestly

[@jenniferalbert910]

This thing sounds like a small prop plane to me. I love Mercedes but this one is not the one for me (or my wallet lol).

[@R17759]

@@Ficon Have you heard a 458 Italia or a GT350? Seems like you haven’t.

[@mattphilip8288]

This video does NOT appear on my subscription list. I had to search for it, I knew it existed because of your instagram/twitter post.

[@TheSmokingTire]

You need to click the notification bell as well as subscribe!

[@evanneiswanger]

Been waiting for this one. A girl at our cars & coffee just got an all black one. Not as pretty as the regular GT’s but it’s awesome

[@phantom2k10]

This is by far better looking than the regular gt's,but that rear wing is ugly as F imo

[@evanneiswanger]

@@phantom2k10 the bigger front end reminds me of Darla from Finding Nemo. But I like subtle, so the GT-C is the sweet spot for me

[@abes3925]

What’s her number?

[@connorkennedy9673]

@@abes3925 lmao right.

[@R17759]

@@abes3925 Cringe

[@christianlekstrom2398]

The first black series was the slk with the 55amg 5439cc v8

[@andrewvare3173]

The Angry Pumpkin. Yeah...

[@dannycalley7777]

A.V. .....................you gotta go with it !!!!!!!!!

[@ZeGermanHam]

Instant collectable.

[@user-jf8gd3lv7q]

Zack is quite wrong with his opinion, that Nürburgring Nordschleife lap records have a "standing time of a snowman". The Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR lap record stood for almost 2 years, until this AMG Black Series came with its claimed record. The new, but for some people "still inofficial" lap record comes from the developed version of the Manthey Racing Porsche 911 GT2 RS, which is 6:39 minutes. The MR kit for the GT2 RS is absolutely officially Porsche, like we all know today.

[@xtnuser5338]

Sure, but you can't actually buy your Porsche with the MR kit on it right from the factory. There is no 'MR Stuff' option in the Configurator.

[@user-jf8gd3lv7q]

@@xtnuser5338 You're wrong! At Porsche "Tequipment", you will find the Manthey Racing option in the configurator! This was communicated long time ago.

[@xtnuser5338]

@@user-jf8gd3lv7q Hmmm...it wasn't there when I bought my new GT3RS two years ago. And of course it isn't there on the 992 GT3 now I guess because MR doesn't have a kit for it yet.

[@morepanicboy7120]

@@xtnuser5338 the MR gt2rs is now a factory option, just like weissach package has been for years.

[@xtnuser5338]

@@morepanicboy7120 What do you mean, "now?" There is no GT2RS available, "now."

[@alexturnqest6202]

It looks like a street legal GT3 car. Here… just take all of my imaginary money.

[@CryptoJoeTrading]

Awesome car awesome video

[@chedhead3278]

Cheers guys, daft and desirable in equal measure.

[@JustinSeara]

Remember when all of Mercedes cars, or at least the AMG models, made more torque than horsepower? I’m glad that’s changed 👍🏻 this thing screams

[@CARS-PEOPLE]

you guys did not stop complaining about the Gt the entire video...crazyyyyyyy

[@Resist_Oppression]

What is the point of testing a car if you only leave it in the comfy mode because you like it? Test and try them all!

[@AjayKumar-yj9jf]

One video on mercedes benz slr McLaren review

[@PUR3xNinjaz]

incredible car just a shame the noise is lacking

[@amazigh8776]

AMG Warhammer destroying porsches ferraris lambos and mclarens.

[@scoobydoo5164]

Not the 765lt

[@amazigh8776]

@@scoobydoo5164 around tracks yes

[@user-jf8gd3lv7q]

@@scoobydoo5164 Of course it destroys the 765LT too! You seemingly have no fucking clue about the speed of the AMG GT Black Series. Maybe the McLaren 765LT is very fast on the straight, but on the track it has no chance against this very focused quasi AMG GT3/GT4 race car for the road. These new Michelin Cup2 R tires on the AMG GT Black Series are kind of a gamechanger. This is something, some little fanboys like you aren't very "aware" of.

[@scoobydoo5164]

@@user-jf8gd3lv7q check out McLean 765lt kill the game on KZbin

[@user-jf8gd3lv7q]

@@scoobydoo5164 Stupid "drag racing" bullshit isn't motorsport at all. On the racetrack, the AMG GT Black Series totally kills this stupid and flashy McLaren 765 LT piece of crap.

[@talalalmashaikhi4318]

That paint needs some TLC

[@backseatdriver569]

Can’t speak in terms of Mclarens, but that does not sound like the 4.0 benz “Hot V” twin turbo I know. Never really liked the more aggressive variants of the GT because I always thought they rode too rough, but this is wicked!

[@R17759]

It has a flat plane crank

[@gpaje]

To the true fastest production car at the Ring, not the Manthey racing modded 911, which never left the production line in that specification. Just because Porsche bought Manthey doesn't make that car "production".

[@amazigh8776]

This car run the ring in the wet experts saying this can shave another 7 sec off

[@morepanicboy7120]

Lol butthurt AMG fan. By considering the MR gt2 rs as modded, might as well say that every weissach package porsche are modded, and yet no one ever complained about that.

[@gpaje]

@@morepanicboy7120 Actually I hate Mercedes and love Porsche, you should see my F1 comments about Red Bull vs Mercedes to clearly see how I detest Mercedes. But production is the word here, if it didn't come off the assembly line that way, it's not a production car. If you buy a car, then take it to another place yourself that until recently was a private company to upgrade it, then it's not production.

[@nightdriver7216]

@@morepanicboy7120 The only butthurt here is Porsche.

[@SwapBlogRU]

I feel like this might become a cult classic in the future, like the CLK DTM of old, for example.

[@Frank930]

18:40 😂

[@DizzyMan24]

Would love to see someone prove that 10.3 1/4 mile.

[@princesekyere9679]

It's possible if its able to hook up well, it's all about how better the car can manage its traction. This car does 5.6sec 100-200kph which is very fast.

[@DizzyMan24]

@@princesekyere9679 True. I'm sure someone will take theirs to a drag strip and run it.

[@nameatrandom9234]

18:44 he thought he was gonna tramline into the ditch under braking

[@Ben-bg2eg]

In that car? Not a chance

[@BorisBidjanSaberi11]

Wasn’t there an SLK55 Black Series?

[@lightsout827]

My dream car. And much more reliable than the Italian stuff.

[@nootology]

As far as Mercedes cars go, this is without a doubt, one of them

[@Boomtowndogs]

Amen

[@razrramon2256]

Correctomundo

[@nickkrenn891]

Is that the one from Mercedes of Temecula?

[@2fast2nick]

That thing is a monster, it sounds amazing

[@williamrobles2600]

Liked because "standing power of a snowman"

[@Sumpula]

So is this a big boy S2000? :D

[@rootsmanuva82]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not not saying it sounds bad but I was expecting an AMG flat-plane crank V8 to sound more special. It sounds… plain (no pun). Fords Voodoo sounds special. C8 Corvette’s Zo6 sounds epic. This sounds more Mitsubishi EVO than Ferrari.

[@MrSupersaiyangoku]

It's a funny thing. Chevy argued falsely in my opinion the Corvette needed to go mid engine layout to achieve higher performance levels. But Mercedes with a front mid engine layout beat all other production cars. The C7 ZR1 beat the Mclaren 720s and FORD GT at VIR. So my point is it was a whole lie to say Corvette's had to go mid engine. From my experience, the front mid engine layout which Corvette's were and Mercedes is sticking with gives you the ultimate track capability. Simply because mid engine cars are like front wheel drive cars They are prone to understeer and when you are at the razor's edge of speeds. You got to sort of wait for the front end to turn and stop the car from sliding away from the track. With front mid engine cars, you simply turn the wheel and the front of the car moves with expedience. Front mid engine cars also have the best records for production cars when it comes to braking distances., Which means you can stop a lot later and still make a turn. Funny, the Mercedes proves Corvette's theory wrong that mid engine layout are the superior lay out compared to front mid engine. Hats off to Mercedes for making a extreme performance machine

[@xtnuser5338]

What? Mid engined cars are prone to understeer? What I think you mean is that many mid-engined cars are set up to understeer from the factory, for the safety of those people who don't know how to drive them fast. They can certainly be dialed in for oversteer if that's what you want instead. It's quite difficult to get my Exige to understeer anymore, even if you're trying to.

[@MrSupersaiyangoku]

@@xtnuser5338 Yes but still. Thats not the only weakness of a mid engine car.

[@xtnuser5338]

​@@MrSupersaiyangoku That's the one you claimed, so that's the one I debunked. What am I supposed to do, read your mind for the list of every incorrect idea you have?

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@@xtnuser5338 no. It's also not debunked. Yes you can change the camber of mid engine cars but that still doesn't give you the feeling and speed that a front mid engine car carries. The viper proved this time and time again with the records they broke. But I do see your point. Just doesn't debunk as much as you say. You still lose your tires a whole lot faster with all that negative camber. Where as the front mid engine layout from factory isn't prone to that. Only thing is most people couldn't bring out the true speed of the Corvette of the 7th generation and down. Or the viper. Too intimidated.

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@@MrSupersaiyangoku There is either debunked, or there is not debunked. You claimed mid engined cars are prone to understeer, and that simply is not an inherent fact of the configuration. Either configuration can be made to understeer or oversteer as desired, without abnormal tire wear. There are a hundred different factors involving suspension geometry, anti-roll, weight balance and distribution, angular momentum, spring rates and damping characteristics, tire sizes and characteristics, aerodynamic forces, etc., etc., etc. You're making sweeping generalizations about stuff you kinda half understand. My tires wear quite evenly - thank-you very much - because I set the camber based on even temperature distribution for my preferred air pressures, and then adjusted OTHER variables to achieve the steering balance I desired. And I guarantee my Exige will go through any turn just as fast as a Viper ACR or a C7 ZR1 or a GT3RS will (with similar tires). In fact I know it first hand, as I've been on track with all three. It certainly isn't as fast down the straights, but it will out break and out turn all of them consistently. Now I'm not saying it's by a huge margin, but it will slightly gain on them in every braking zone and more apexes than not.