The Messed Up Origins of The Lion King | Disney Explained - Jon Solo

[@ImCassy]

Lion King doesn't seem too similar to Hamlet with a few exceptions, but Lion King 2, Simba's Pride is very similar to Romeo and Juliet. They leaned into Shakespeare the second time around for sure....well except the ending. That is very different haha

[@anneliesew4853]

I'm sometimes a little sad they never kill the characters at the end but you can't have everything lol

[@night4263]

@@anneliesew4853 you want Kovu and Kiara to die? damn

[@karolinakuc4783]

@@anneliesew4853 Do not kill characters? Like what Zira and Scar do not count. Besides now Disney films often do not even kill villains as they prefer redemption arcs.

[@brendenroberge7424]

I agree. In Simba’s future, his pride has an enemy lion pride, he wants his daughter to avoid.

[@christopherjimenez4578]

Even the movie about Timon and Pumba is a, somewhat, reference to Shakespeare taking on a parody of Hamlet in which they tell the story from the point of view of 2 characters who are responsible of the events of the original story, can't remember the name, but's cool Its called Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead

[@helenkrane6313]

The breakdown on archetyps would be very interesting!

[@patrickwhatsittoyou8059]

Agreed

[@thegloriousdipshit4274]

I'm so down!

[@uypuckm4240]

Agreed

[@NicholasChorba]

Yes - this

[@PS-dm1dq]

Yes!

[@tigerqueen007]

Can you please do the origins of Thumbelina? Please!

[@chantellmoller5384]

Yesss that would be awesome 😀

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

And/or Tom Thumb.

[@BACKSHITSBETTY]

Thumbewhat?

[@bernak4541]

@@BACKSHITSBETTY lol

[@ars.has123]

YES!

[@Ish_on4k]

Solo you can literally talk about how gum gets stuck under a shoe and I'll still watch it!!!!!

[@jazzsax357]

Wait a minute. If Lion King was "allegedly" their first original story, on what was Lady and the Tramp based?

[@molybdomancer195]

according to wikipedia a book called "Happy Dan, The Cynical Dog," by Ward Greene

[@Oturan20]

The Lion King is a loose adaptation of Hamlet.

[@kaiser9109]

@@Oturan20wouldn’t say that after watching the video, considering hamlet was inspired by an older story

[@amyschildgamerlive4519]

​@@Oturan20no it was a blatant copy of Kimba actually :)

[@omarvazquez4075]

​@@amyschildgamerlive4519 kimba and the lion king are nothing alike

[@JKB-qp6sf]

Great Job (Always). Are you going to do "Robin Hood" "Mr. Toad" " The Lady and The Tramp" "The Sword in the Stone" and "Oliver & Company"?

[@darkashtar]

I kinda hope if does do the sword and the stone he covers Le Morte d'Arthur (the death of Aurthur) which covers his death at the hands of Mordred. It really is a very dark and twisted.

[@zakfett92]

@@darkashtar More likely he'd mention The Once and Future King.

[@darkashtar]

@@zakfett92 we'll have you read about the death of Aurthur? It really is a fascinating tale

[@natishabobb3156]

I'd love it , if he did Oliver and company

[@8Forester]

Mr. Toad would be SO GOOD!

[@JonSolo]

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[@nourrasoul9123]

Jon Solo yesss. i was waiting for thissssss thank uuuu

[@DryBones271]

Thing is.... we don't know who Nala's dad is... there aren't any other male Lions in the pride... so either Nala is the daughter of Scar (which would make her Simba's cousin) or Nala is a daughter of Mufasa and another Lioness making her Simba's half-sister. Or her dad is just some shmoe Lion, who had a one night stand with Nala's mom.

[@sandrixhozart7838]

Sometime in the future can you do my Oliver twist

[@bigmandaniell694]

Hey Jon Solo. Do you know there is a lion king 2? Just wondering.

[@HyperionaSilverleaf]

please do the archetype and other story tropes break downs.

[@DonnyHoferIRL]

I watched the Lion King with my kids a few weeks ago for the first time in a few years and I'm not crying you are

[@meltingdoggo4647]

Donald Hofer I never cry in a movie, I don’t get it. If it’s not real then why care at all, for example: any “heartwarming coming of age” film I never watch. Because all it is is cheesy crap attempting to even be remotely good, even though it always fails for me. I’ll only cry if something real, and really really really sad happens. A movie is not real, so does not deserve real emotion. Also the “I’m not crying you are!” Is super overused and almost as cheesy as the films that makes people say that.

[@meltingdoggo4647]

I’m not the only one am I?

[@lehahiah81]

@Tingle gamer I think it's different when it comes to a show compared to a movie, because the longer the amount of time you are with a character the more you are going to feel for them. A movie doesn't give us nearly enough time to get used to the character compared to someone in a show, game, or book does.

[@LooneyTiksCrap]

Getting emotional over a movie simply means that a person is invested in what they are watching at least for the duration in which they are watching it. Of course we know it's all fake. Crying over a movie is kind of on par with getting scared over a movie for this reason. The events never happened, they just got in a person's head. Nothing wrong with feeling emotions over a movie, so long as it doesn't interfere with your real life. Some people are just more sensitive than others.

[@Homie_Naledi_9424]

Here's a quote in relation to the Kimba situation: (Takayuki Matsutani, president of Tezuka Productions in Tokyo, said there is some similarity between the animated creations on two counts: the son grows up to be the king's successor after his father's death, and the symbolic scene where Simba stands on a rock in "The Lion King," whereas in the Japanese version, the opening scene has Kimba standing on a rock. He also agreed there were similarities in the baboon, the bird, the hyenas and the evil lion. "However, quite a few staff of our company saw a preview of 'The Lion King,' discussed this subject and came to the conclusion that you cannot avoid having these similarities as long as you use animals as characters and try to draw images out of them," Matsutani said. "If the Disney Co. had gotten a hint from 'The Jungle Emperor,' Osamu Tezuka, a founder of our company, would have been pleased," he continued. "And, we feel the same way, rather than making a claim. "Therefore, our company's general opinion is 'The Lion King' is a totally different piece from 'The Jungle Emperor' and is an original work completed by the Disney production's long-lasting excellent production technique.")

[@ritzy2975]

How long did it take to write that

[@malpaul]

That is very gracious of them. Doesn't mean Disney didn't lie about it. No one in huge animation company not knowing about an internationally known cartoon? None of their animators, lawyers, publicists, archivists? C'mon...what a load of horseshit.

[@RandomPersonProbably]

malpaul There isn’t really too many similarities between them except design, and people at Disney including the voice of simba said they’ve heard of Kimba before.

[@DaveDrawsAnime]

disney is the thomas edison of production companies.

[@Yasashiao]

Even if the story is different, it still copies quite a lot when it comes to visuals and all of that. Things like using the back legs to push the bad guy in the air and over the cliff, the sunset, the roar at the end of the huge battle, Zazu and the other similar bird in Kimba, and the scar on both of the villains. Those are just *a few* similarities.

[@theoperator3712]

You forget the true origin of The Lion King's story though. For that you need look no further than the mythos of Ancient Egypt. Just swap Mufasa for Osiris, Scar for Set, and Simba for Horus. Almost exactly the same plot.

[@richardranke7878]

There are only a few basic plots for stories and they have been recycled for centuries. I heard someone say,"People have been writing stories for 5,000 years and they used up all the original ideas during the first 500."

[@theoperator3712]

@@richardranke7878 This is true. My point was that Jon never actually finished getting to the bottom of the origin. I'm well aware of archetypes.

[@molybdomancer195]

Hm apart from Simba/Horus's mother becoming impregnated by Mufasa/Orisis after his death by use of magic - but that wouldn't be family-friendly enough for Disney :)

[@ratgirl34]

@@molybdomancer195 Also Mufasa wasn't brought back from death three or so times by his wife. And I feel like Mufasa would have done something about Scar after the first time... And not only that, but several versions of how Horus eventually ascended the throne involve competing with Set and them being equally matched in pretty much every way, the other gods were about to give Set the throne due only to him being older and more experienced and Osirus piped up from the underworld with, "Do NOT make me come up there. I WILL bring an army." And thus Horus was crowned.

[@incasolja1]

actually the real african history of sundiata keita the founder of maliian empire is the real historic lion king literally called that and his story is nearly verbatim to disneys version.

[@SN0Ww1te]

Would love to see a mini-series. Have you thought of making "Messed up Origins" of Nursery Rhymes or am I a bit late in my suggestion?

[@Airbender1023]

Crafty Cat Chick yea he has those on here too.

[@SN0Ww1te]

@@Airbender1023 Thanks - will check it out =)

[@tpgjspeed495]

@@Airbender1023 which ones?

[@McEezy94]

Spoiler alert: Most of em were extremely racist

[@lt.patterson6081]

Ring around a roseys came from the black death,I think.

[@yuialcane9583]

It is pretty sad that the company that owns Kimba wasn't able to do much of anything. Hopefully Kimba gets more recognition

[@santiinx737]

Yui Alcane It has been stated to be the Lion King of Japan, it’s the mascot of one of their teams

[@yuialcane9583]

@@santiinx737 I mean recognition outside of Japan

[@mikepellerin4611]

I grew up in the 1960s. Kimba, Speed Racer and Gigantor were all syndicated on our local UHF stations. I seem to recall Kimba came on before Dark Shadows, but I had to switch to VHF to catch Dark Shadows. For those who don't know; VHF was your 1-13 channels, and UHF was the larger number channels like 38, 56 and 27. It took two indoor antennas to get the TV channels. Rabbit Ears for VHF and Loops for UHF. If your Dad was into Popular Science Magazine, he usually erected a large stand-alone antenna on the roof. I remember my Dad saying: Nobody will ever pay for FREE TV. Guess who bought the first Video recorder and had our whole 3-tenement building wired with Cable! Yup! My Dad. Sorry I hijacked your post. Sometimes Dad stories need to be told. :)

[@vivienneclarke2421]

As a 4- 5yr old child in the late 60's I LOVED Kimba. I would make ears like his using paper and bobby pins, or sometimes pink ones like his gf Kitty,,and play imaginary games.....🤣(I was an only child with a vivid imagination lol!)

[@selcouthnosvkota6214]

I loved kimba as a kid...

[@hailedspace25]

It’s actually really weird you’ve never done Lion King before lol

[@JonSolo]

Lmao I know right?

[@bigmandaniell694]

Hello pepole.

[@bigmandaniell694]

Have you done one on the lion king 2 movie?

[@bjp1101]

Truth

[@bigmandaniell694]

Hi

[@milmil5350]

They should've just owned up to the fact that it was Kimba inspired. Japan would've seen it as an honor and *it'd be a homage to Tezuka and Walter's friendship.* Disney chose to be an @$$ instead and rip off a dead man before the corpse got cold. *Like they've done to Stan Lee.*

[@kiralee7942]

I really didn't understand on what you meant by Stan Lee but even Stan Lee wasn't the only person who wrote the comics and I completely get that it may have been a Kimba rip off but I'd suggest looking at @King Bolt's comment which as far as Im concerned pretty much says that it would be better for their friendship and Walt Disney wasn't dumb so he would have known about the benefits of that so my personal opinion is that please give evidence before you make a claim in the comments.

[@kiralee7942]

And also if you really want to make an accurate claim watch Jungle Emperor Leo as well. If you are extremely interested I would suggest doing as much research as you can on more that 5 websites before you make a claim and remember to credit them. The idea of watching that was from @sinister Sweet. PLEASE double check so you dont misinform someone.

[@almahayworth4280]

Kiralee Heinz mm My personal opinion is that you study up on your grammar and basic English before you put your own brainless statements out there.

[@luhvva]

they killed him for the plot 😳🧏🏽‍♂️. stay "WOKE"

[@sallytheuselessbird]

Ugh, I knew it wouldn't take long to find a comment like this! It was a coincidence!

[@prolender1]

Yes, please do the Archetype Overview Series. --- This was a great video for such a short edition it sure contained a ton of content!

[@AntiFaGoat]

Obsessive Kimba fan here to make a small correction… Kimba's original name in Japan is Leo, so Tezuka didn't use the Swahili name. That was the American translators' decision. I've heard that it was actually taken from a producer who frequently called his daughter "Kimba" as a shorthand for "Kimberly." However, that was only something I read from a fan site without any verification. It would be pretty cool if the translators new about the word "Simba" and created the name Kimba around that, but given how generic the other characters' names are (in both the English and Japanese versions) I doubt it. As for the inspiration theory, I think that Disney was hoping to remake Kimba or at least make a Kimba-like movie shortly after Tezuka's death in 1989. However, they realized that they couldn't acquire the rights and the director team changed enough to where the crew made a unique story with some unfortunate parallels thanks to early concept art and possibly artists recycling inspiration. I highly recommend anyone watch some "Jungle Emperor Leo" yourselves and come to your own conclusions.

[@Junepaintstheveil]

Thanks for being so open-minded about it. I like both Kimba and the lion king, and do not think anything of it and simply love them separately. However some fans must continuously accuse one another of theft and whatnot. I totally agree with you, by the way!

[@anneliesew4853]

If you ask me, I think they took most of their inspiration from Hamlet and the other stories mentioned in the video, and most of the slight similarities are coincidences. I love that you're very polite and opened minded about it though. One of the biggest similarities are the villains. Claw and Scar. The fact that they're dark skinned? That's a coincidence. It's extremely common for animators to make the villains much darker then the other characters to further drive the point across that they're evil goth villains lol. Hades from Hercules for example. He's much darker skinned than the other gods of Olympus. And this makes sense since he's the king of the Underworld.

[@curlyfries2956]

@@anneliesew4853 racism kinda I guess

[@Chiller-pc1dv]

@@curlyfries2956 Well, not necessarily, the whole idea of dark and light as a trope is pretty much everywhere.

[@curlyfries2956]

@@Chiller-pc1dv I know, I was joking

[@StainedBrain]

I hope he talks about Kimba the White Lion. Yay

[@JonSolo]

Oh, I do :)

[@mysryuza]

I was fearing that because of possible bias and tunnel vision like a lot of Kimba fans have done. Gets old real fast.

[@StainedBrain]

@@mysryuza I was hoping for it because the same can be said for The Lion King fans. 🤷‍♀️ Saying that Kimba is a rip-off. There was a lot of comments like that in a Kimba the White Lion video. People still thinking that it's a rip-off even though it was made 50+ years before. Many many people. Apparently they can't read descriptions, listen to videos or do proper Google searches. 🙃 Now, reading "Kimba is a rip-off with ugly animation!!" Gets old fast. This is coming from someone who grew up on The Lion King, loves it, but can't ignore Disney's wrong doing. I think it's okay for people to spread the word. There's a lot of misinformed people. His videos are about getting details on where the stories originated from. There's too many similarities to just ignore this. So I kinda expect him to add it in, but of course he didn't have to though.

[@MrAnthonyIII]

@@mysryuza It's not bias or tunnel vision to call out that "The Lion King" is based on "Kimba". It's just presenting the facts. I'm not a "Kimba fan" and I barely heard of it until now. But the evidence is undeniable

[@gargoyles9999]

MrAnthonyIII Disney did it better

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

The Kimba thing is BS because, while, yes, "Simba" rhymes with it, it's also the Swahili word for "lion", as "Mufasa" is the Swahili for "king". And I believe "Nala" means either "princess" or 'queen", but I'm not certain which one.

[@JStryker47]

"Nala" means "gift", actually. But yeah.

[@gabe8072]

most visual similarities between kimba and the lion king are actually from post lion king productions of kimba YMS did a huge breakdown of why the lion king is misinterpreted as being inspired by kimba that i would recommend if you are interested

[@Alejandroigarabide]

I was thinking of comenting the same but decided to check if someone had comented before just in case. I can tell you're a person of culture! Keep spreading the truth!!!

[@tatianahidalgo2666]

Been waiting for The Lion King Messed up Origins!! Yaaas! ♥️☺️ Love it keep up the great work!! Also, your shirt is messed up, if you look at it very closely. Instead of Simba, it’s actually Mufasa!

[@_forg_3047]

I was just watching The Lion King. Now it will never be the same....

[@GAMEBOIMARCUS]

It's fine, the only thing Disney was wrong in was calling it an original story.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

@@GAMEBOIMARCUS tell me one example of original story/movie nowadays without drawing any reference to the past.

[@GAMEBOIMARCUS]

@@alexanderchristopher6237 Why?

[@piriyaj1347]

Liars are liars. Even the Japanese admitted it when they got ideas from Bambi to make Kimba. But of course some just have to shamelessly announce ‘originality’

[@GAMEBOIMARCUS]

@@piriyaj1347 And that was the only thing and it was pointless. The Lion King was like their 32nd film, no one cared if it was inspired or original.

[@arinfilms15]

Please do Messed Up Origins of Thumbelina!!

[@sabercat5490]

And Tom Thumb

[@HulluitsCece]

Mufasa’s death still hurts 😿🥺😩 that wound will never hear I’m tellin you

[@megancrager4397]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@ashaya2475]

only time cats didn’t land on their feet 😻

[@peppermintparasite]

"Your son is awake." "Before sunrise, he's your son."

[@Tasoq]

Because the light wasn't touching him yet lololol

[@men_del12]

"But honey, you're the one who make me have him."

[@anneliesew4853]

My parents right there

[@insanelydead7451]

I clicked so fast when I got the notification... I totally regard what I was originally watching, I was half way into the video. But I can’t miss Messed Up Origins.

[@JonSolo]

HAHAhaha you are awesome. Thanks for watching Zane :)

[@TheeKingRayzor]

"Circle of Life" (Lion King) Lyrics From the day we arrive on the planet And blinking, step into the sun There's more to see than can ever be seen More to do than can ever be done There's far too much to take in here More to find than can ever be found But the sun rolling high Through the sapphire sky Keeps great and small on the endless round It's the circle of life And it moves us all Through despair and hope Through faith and love Till we find our place On the path unwinding In the circle The circle of life It's the circle of life And it moves us all Through despair and hope Through faith and love Till we find our place On the path unwinding In the circle The circle of life.

[@Spacelozzy264]

Since I found your channel I've been binging on them so happy this came out today. Atlantis is one that could be worth a look depending how deep greek mythos goes?

[@patricequeen1156]

Just want to say that I appreciate the depths you go through just to present a well thought out and cohesive narrative about... well whatever topic you talk about. I just love your content!

[@JonSolo]

Thank you so much! :)

[@patricequeen1156]

@@JonSolo you just made my day! 😀

[@ValenciaOranges]

I'd love for you to do a revisiting of this topic because 1- saying that Lion King isn't based off of Hamlet is a bit silly, because the creators of Lion King were very open about using that story as a blueprint. Sure, some aspects of the story are different, but just because something isn't a shot for shot copy doesn't mean it wasn't inspired. 2- Lion King didn't actually copy Kimba, and while this is a very popular belief, most everything people use to compare is all coincidence. I highly recommend YMS's review of Kimba 😊

[@MollyOKami]

I see a lot of calls for *Lady and the Tramp.* The scene where the Tramp is falsely accused of attacking the baby is quite similar to the Legend of Gelert.

[@creativedreamstv.5848]

The messed up origins of the black cauldron

[@solveigelisabethhenne1739]

Thank you for doing The Lion King! Keep up the great work! :)

[@enriqueramirez0615]

The 1994 film was something but the 2019 live-action remake is excellent with Jon Favreau as director who previously directed The Jungle Book, and with photorealistic CG animation by MPC who did the same thing with The Jungle Book and later Prehistoric Planet.

[@thatgirlamber602]

Yay I'm so excited to finally hear 'The Messed Up Origins of The Lion King'! As an avid Shakespeare and Disney fan I've never really thought Hamlet and The Lion King were all that similar. I'm glad that you touched on this and showed proof of why. Amazing video and I love the shirt Jon! **Edit: I think a mini-series of the different archetypes would be amazing! Please do it!

[@luciafrost4856]

Can you please do the mini series on the archetypes!!!!! Ps. I love you and your content and will definitely buy your merch when I get paid

[@kaleleaff]

Angela Santiago I s e c o n d t h i s !

[@darkunykorn404]

It's even harder to deny the Simba-Kimba connection when we realize how awfully similar they look. I mean, even the VISUALS are similar.

[@LUchesi]

I think Jon must have wanted to not directly state his opinion on the matter, but there is a lot of evidence that he left out. Including concept work of Simba as a white lion before they even knew what style the art was going to be. For me, the fact that Disney's stance, even after being asked about it for decades, is that they still have never even heard of Kimba is the nala in the cloudfin.

[@LUchesi]

The entire controversy is about how blatant it was, not that it had thematic similarities.

[@darkunykorn404]

@@100percentNotaBot Star Wars and Stark Trek look completely different, even though they're both sci fi. They've different stories, themes and the like. Look at the scenes Jon showed of Kimba. Some aren't just similar, they're practically the same in the way they are drawn.

[@darkunykorn404]

@@LUchesi Pretty much, it's fairly obvious for anyone with eyes. I won't say it was wholesale copied, but denying they were HEAVILY inspired by Kimba is absurd.

[@darkunykorn404]

@@100percentNotaBot Dude, I don't know why you feel so terribly compelled to defend this company, but here's the thing: I said there was a connection. I never said it's a rip-off, or a copy, what I said there is that there is a connection. It's very visually clear there is when the shots are even drawn in similar positions, framing, etc. I also didn't mean art style (though that wasn't clear, sorry), even because in style they're very different, but when we see scenes set in very similar ways, the stories resonate in similar ways, even the Big Bads look alike, it's really hard to come around and deny there is a connection there. Sure, it could be a HUGE coincidence, but let's be real here. It probably wasn't. I don't need to work for Disney; I have eyes. And you're very naïve if you don't realize art inspires/influences other art. Tezuka himself was inspired by Bambi, and admitted to it, although I can see a wider gap between Bambi and Kimba than between Kimba and Lion King. I don't know enough about Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry (though while they draw from the same source, they're also very very different in many ways, thematically, story-wise and visually), but it wouldn't surprise me if one by inspired by the other (whoever came first), either. That's the way of art. And yes, Marvel and DC are also awfully similar in many ways, but they're *aware* of it, too. Ironically TLK is my favourite Disney movie, actually the only one I genuinely like, but I still think it's shitty to deny the obvious. If they just came out and said "yes, we drew inspiration from Kimba" nobody would say a damn thing, and it'd be way more honest than trying to deny what everyone with eyes can see.

[@NoArtisticLimitation]

I think the biggest problem with the Kimba/Simba situation is just how many people knew of Kimba when making Lion King, and how many thought it WAS a Kimba remake. There have been a number of people who thought it was, including one of the animators (I don’t know for sure if it’s the head animator, but I think so?) so there are visual similarities. As for me, idk if it was or wasn’t, but one thing is clear, people did know of Kimba on the team. Also - there was a Kimba movie made around the same time of Lion King, that was only shown in America once, before Disney took legal action because it was too similar to Lion King. You hadn’t mentioned it, so I wasn’t sure if you knew that.

[@arladicey]

If I was the gambling sort, I would lay money on the fact that Disney was completely aware of the intellectual theft they were committing with Kimba; but, being the pop culture/entertainment behemoth that they are, they knew they'd get away with it. Then, to turn around and try to sue the company whose property they blatantly ripped off to get them to back off from making their plagiarism obvious to American audiences with the Kimba film... also, so Disney. Look, this is a conglomerate that will sue a *preschool* for painting their characters on the school wall! Of course, they're nefarious enough to openly rob a successful idea from another successful creator! They're shameless. I enjoy Disney content... but I also see them for what they are, or rather, are capable of.

[@shadowdancer344]

a few people from the lion king team personally knew the creator of kimba the white lion

[@ginnyjollykidd]

I remember that.

[@lightyagami8645]

@@Ivan-vu5zz atleast smarter than Japanese

[@Ivan-vu5zz]

@@lightyagami8645 not really. Check your literacy rate. See how your kids are doing

[@samjames7869]

I really like your idea of a miniseries about different archetypes. Go for it!

[@RoninCatholic]

This video + Your Movie Sucks giving an over-hour length debunking of the idea that The Lion King actually is a Kimba ripoff = yeah, it always was more original than people gave it credit for. Though definitely some of the important people involved in making The Lion King had to be somewhat familiar with Kimba (who is only called that in the English dub; in Japan he's Leo the Lion which like Simba just means "Lion the Lion").

[@Droemar]

I think the darkness and seriousness with which The Lion King treats its themes defeats the Kimba theory. Kimba tended to be silly and offer easy answers. The Lion King does the opposite, so it's not a copy. It's a powerful, dark derivation of the same concept, and execution counts more than idea.

[@unknownig3529]

FINNALY ITS HERE

[@ouch3420]

You know what.. My math test can wait

[@ouch3420]

Dah rainbow wolf 12 right 😂

[@JonSolo]

lmao just promise me you'll get to it!

[@ouch3420]

Jon Solo I make no promises mwahaha

[@raven3067]

@@ouch3420 Lol! That's funny

[@ouch3420]

Haha thanks@@raven3067

[@MoonlitNyxx]

When he says merchandise, he’s not kidding! I’m loving the theme of the emblems 😃 there are several types of items to choose from for each design... Every type of shirt you can want (short sleeve, long sleeve, hoodie, kids, men, women). Also not just shirts, but bags and mugs and phone cases 💣 💥🔥🔥

[@WiscoKnight0806]

I know this is 4 years old now, but since then YMS has done a great breakdown of the difference between Kimba and Lion King. The similarities are as surface level as it is to Hamlet. Highlights include the fact that of course the animals are the same, they're based on the actual wildlife so there's only so many options. Also, simba doesn't drag Mufasas corpse around with him. Also, their journeys are COMPLETELY different. It definitely worth a watch.

[@psycologo121]

Now that I know anime Bambi exist, all I can do is picture Bambi with super siyan hair.

[@BigCatTalks]

Thanks Jon for listening to my suggestion

[@captainkid9005]

An archetype video sounds good. You had also mentioned doing a series on mythology in a previous video I'm SUPER EXCITED for that! Keep up the good work.

[@JonSolo]

Thank you so much! I’m SO pumped to dive into the mythology series 🤪

[@nothisispatrick4644]

I believe the lions ruled the sahara as dictators, I mean they literally eat their subjects if they become hungry

[@marilenemamaclay2993]

I know this question was idiotic but is that a Hitler reference.

[@spectre.shadows]

@@marilenemamaclay2993 Yes, Hitler frequently ate his subjects when he was hungry.

[@MoonlitNyxx]

IKR!!!!! It’s crazy

[@larrydarnellrembertiii6258]

We must respect all the creatures from the crawling ant, to the leaping antelope. - Mufasa

[@judekanawati7467]

Was Hitler Vegetarian? I never once heard it read about him eating subjects. I’m not defending him, but it’s kind of unlikely for a dictator like Hitler to do so. Imagine Stalin was doing that, he never gives a damn crap about anyone, his own people, germans, Jews, US people, no one. If you’re talking about men being cannibalistic, I think you’re referring to Vlad Dracule the impaler (known later as Dracula in Bram Stoker stories). He would impale his people and even eat them a lot. Cheers!

[@RhondaRooBug]

I was so sad when I found out Disney ripped off that story. Seriously, all they had to do was admit they took inspiration from Kimba and maybe give the creator a small cut of the profit, I mean they could definitely afford it. Pure greed right there

[@SakridSelf]

Thank you for explaining, in-depth, why Lion King is my favorite Disney movie of all time

[@ginniem9779]

I like how you go back and forth between addressing us as SoloCups and SoloFam. I can tell you have done much research to make this clip. It's great :)

[@lelandpowell2421]

Very Interested To See The Origin From The Perspective Of What I Don't Know Already

[@blessingroberts7416]

FINALLY!!! Been waiting for this 😈😁

[@d.sack2727]

Please do a King Arthur / Sword In The Stone video.

[@theoperator3712]

Entire documentaries have been dedicated to trying to figure out the true origins of that one.

[@stanleyteriaca2184]

I would be interested in the Messed Up Origins of Sailor Moon, where you could talk about Serenity and Endymion. No...not the anime version of them, the Greek version.

[@bellaswan3616]

I need this mini series plz

[@HyperionaSilverleaf]

Hi! Keep up the good work! Your videos make unwinding after a long busy week so much more fun.

[@peekaboo21284]

💀💀💀@ Timon! "what mook made that up!" (One of my favorite lines from the movie)

[@brianmichaelseymour6913]

Amazingly insightful as always. and love the Archetype idea, waiting on Aesop, and still trying to find a truly challenging-yet-approachable tale for you to investigate. Have you seen Chuck Jones' animations of Rikki-Tiki-Tavi and The White Seal?

[@fredarok579]

BrianMichael Seymour Ooh, those sound great! I wanna see those!

[@matthagen67]

Scar and Jafar are the greatest Disney villains ever.

[@officialjojoxwolf3306]

Alucard J.B M.P I agree, also I quite like Mother Gothel from Tangled

[@fishramen5390]

And Hades, he's too sassy XD,, I like him

[@AshaEll]

I agree on Scar n Hades

[@skyden24195]

Maleficent...the only Disney villain to say the word "Hell."

[@waihonglai9636]

No. Two words. Shan Yu - Mulan

[@lisaanderson3549]

Love the idea of the archetype breakdown. Go for it.

[@blackphoenix77]

Jungle Emperor Taitei aka Kimba the White Lion is the biggest (unacknowledged) source for the Lion King

[@keeh.5792]

“& remember Jon shot first.” Idk why but I love this line so much 😭

[@emmaelisha1339]

What does it mean tho???

[@siawoo3940]

@@emmaelisha1339 gotta watch his older vids!

[@DeerFox13]

Thanks so much for posting it i was so hyped

[@JonSolo]

Aw thank YOU for watching and commenting, homie :)

[@ivynewark2525]

The tea on archetypes has my mind blond please do a mini series of it .

[@The0ne_alaia]

I just realized that he’s wearing a lion king shirt

[@aelfwynn8]

Great job as always!! So fascinating...yes, please do a video on the 7 archetypes!!

[@kirkbupkis]

The Lion King really isn't that similar to Kimba, YMS does a good job explaining all the differences. They're just both stories about cartoon animals in Africa

[@KasumiKenshirou]

No he doesn't. His argument is that because Disney's feature length movie didn't cram in every story element from a long-running cartoon and comic that somehow proves there was no plagiarism.

[@jeffreystimetoshine4783]

Omg I love this so much. You are the best!

[@JonSolo]

thas u!

[@michellehardiment2693]

A breakdown on archetypes would be amazing! I love all of your videos. They are so cool and interesting

[@tywaller7455]

Hey John I greatly appreciate this video to the fullest keep doing what you doing

[@persephonethebookdragon9520]

Yay! YAY! YAYayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayay!!!!! Thank you Jon Solo! Some Suggestions: The Tortoise and the Hare Alice through the Lookingglass Tom Thumb Thumbelina The Prince and the Pauper The Three Ravens The Sword in the Stone The Black Cauldron The White Cat

[@kevinpaulsecretpaulbrother1426]

I've been waiting for the lion king for tooooooooooo long

[@DroThaKyyd]

Love the vids bro! Keep it up. Definitely am looking into the merc!

[@JonSolo]

Thanks so much man! Appreciate your support!

[@DroThaKyyd]

@@JonSolo #solofam

[@aiieeee5166]

i actually ignored this video for a while because i already knew the story of Hamlet ... im so impressed now that i’ve watched this video and seen how deeply you really go into the origins of all of these stories!

[@AarizKhan-sp7le]

You forgot to mention the African folktale Sundiata, which is often stated as the inspiration for The Lion King.Aside from the story similarities, it is also worth mentioning that the character of Sundiata is often referred to as the “Lion King.”

[@mysteryman9488]

The "evil uncle" trope has been around since Ancient Rome mythology. I don't know why people assume it was a unique idea by Shakespeare

[@Kat66699]

Can you do the messed up origins of Moana?

[@claireshnowske1224]

YYYAAASSS!!!!!!!

[@TearDaTaco]

impossible lel..

[@TheRudzinskiSisters3]

I’ve always wanted to go up to someone and randomly say “You know, I’ve seen a murder when I was younger” And they answer with something like “What? What happen” And I go on saying that the son was getting chased and the father tries to save his only son and the fathers brother ends up murdering his brother to put the blame on his nephew, so he can take of the fathers land. And then I say that I still remember their names, turns to face the person and says in a serious tone “Mufusa, Simba and Scar.” And just watch the person be really confuse. 😂😂 I think that would be really funny. 😂😂

[@octobergirl5525]

Feel like it might not work, who hasn't seen the lion king

[@emiesart]

it wouldn’t be

[@norwegianpride7523]

I suggest to tell someone a completely different story that's more of a mindfuck when you break it down. The story of a married man losing both his wife and his children to a serial killer, all except one son who was left crippled. Later that son was kidnapped and the father has to get help from a mentally disabled woman to help him find him again. Most people would guess that you were talking about the lion king, but this story would be harder to guess if you don't know that you're talking about a disney movie

[@MicaDoodle89]

@@norwegianpride7523 🤣 this is great.

[@bontlemabena8681]

Didn’t they do this on the office?

[@GlassMoonlightAngel]

Big thing I want to mention about the Lion King/Kimba argument was something Lindsay Ellis said in her Lion King video (when she was Nostalgia Chick) was the plot of the 2 stories are vastly different. Where Kimba is more like Robin Hood story wise and Lion King was more reminiscent of Hamlet. I love your videos (because I'm a HUGE Disney nerd) and thank you for mentioning the fact that Simba's name is Swahili (hope I spelt that correctly) for Lion

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Thank goodness I’m also realising Hamlet was a dark parody of Ur-Hamlet, which in turn was a dark parody of Amleth. The concept of Hamlet is actually very Ancient, possibly a few millennia old given its Ancient Egyptian origins, but Hamlet as a character was only created hundreds of years ago.

[@riceracm]

I really like the archetype idea...sounds like I could learn a lot....

[@khatdubell]

The biggest flaw in the lion king, is why did scar not just kill simba too. No one else was around. He literally had his head in his hands. **snap** Completely different ending.

[@Revanbzn]

Bad guys that think they won become too confident and make mistakes

[@lemuellcabahug6460]

Character flaw. A typical antagonist trait.

[@lemuellcabahug6460]

No was jus answering why scar didnt kill simba. In a story you need to give all characters their flaw to make a story. If its too perfect then it wouldnt have any sense.

[@eshuthequipster7353]

Actually didn’t he try to get the hynenas to kill him

[@khatdubell]

@@eshuthequipster7353 thats my point. He was in the perfect position to just kill simba. Killing simba was always part of the plan. He mentions it in his song. but then he tells him to run away and never come back. then 2 seconds later the tells the hyenas to kill simba.

[@ladynikkie]

Yes! Thank you Jon

[@aliciao3075]

I really enjoyed this messed up origins....mainly because I love The Lion King! I also think it would be a great idea to break down the 7 archetypes!❤️

[@thetiniestpirate]

Every time I think "I wonder what that's about" he jumps in there with the explination or an assurance that he'll get there and that's some solid intuitive script writing my dude.

[@roaringlions7252]

2:49 The sun is rising over the Sahara? I think you mean savannah. xD

[@JonSolo]

Yeah I can’t believe I confused those. So embarrassing

[@Localaceken]

'Kimba' is English dub name for him.His real name is 'Leo' in the Japanese series.Hell even the series name is originaly 'Jungle Emperor Leo' in Japan.

[@Alejandroigarabide]

Most people who argue that TLK ripped Kimba off have never watched Kimba apparently. The lion with an eye injury is a minor antagonist in 2 or 3 episodes of a massive anime series, the hyenas are neutral comic reliefs, the mandril has nothing to do with Rafiki and more with Donald Duck's personality, and the same goes for the parrot. Besides, Kimba is a story about a lion trying to adopt human culture for his people. Also, Kimba is not the first fictional lion king ever, as that's a common animal archetype. To all Kimba fans out there: I'm not trying to offend you or take away from Tezuka's legacy. Please don't reply if you haven't seen YMS' video on the matter. It will really open your eyes on the Simba/Kimba controversy.

[@Pennfarmgirl]

Do the archetype breakdowns, I think it would be a worthy addition to your other videos. Thanks so much for all you do to entertain us!

[@JonSolo]

after all the positive feedback I’m definitely going to do the archetype series! And of course! Thank YOU for the continuous love and support :)

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

@7:17 well there are some theories suggesting that Mufasa was Nala and Simba's father so....in a way he sorta (well maybe) killed "their' dad...unintentionally of course

[@ogreface8]

The Crooked Man or Homeward Bound next.

[@the-nina-beans88]

Of corse... Kimba is the name we know in America. In Japan the white lion is called Leo. The story is Jungle emperor Leo. Plus the Name Kimba is said to mean “ coward”.

[@anneliesew4853]

And "simba" is Swahili for "lion"

[@Neevkl_7]

"Messed up origins of Lion King" -Has an image from Lion King 2 in the thumbnail

[@JonSolo]

The audacity

[@damagedcatdad]

Lol, I remember as a kid, hearing Hamlet and, until high school, thinking it was slang for a ham omelet. Also, been having a great time marathoning these videos!

[@Jaclynantes1]

I love it, please do archetypes as a series!

[@namidakoh1027]

I’m a new subscriber and I am binge watching all your videos. Amazing research and insight to all your videos, please keep up the good work, take good care of yourself, and never stop making videos!

[@storytellerfan1420]

There is also the similarity to the Egyptian Myth of how Horus son of Pharaoh Osiris and Isis reclaimed the throne after his uncle Set killed Osiris

[@staceybaggott8676]

I have just started watching these videos. As a movie and disney lover i find it fascinating learning about the origins behind my favourite films and stories. Your attention to detail is brilliant . I think I have found my new favourite KZbinr. I will recommend your videos to friends and family. Keep up the work .😁👍👍

[@jenaepeabody3795]

Yes! Definitely do a mini series about the 7 archetypes, please

[@jabby6709]

“Imagine if in the process of killing Scar, Simba accidentally killed Nala’s dad” Well since there’s only one male lion in a pride (aka Mufasa in The Lion King) that would mean Simba would kill his own father, after he already died. That also adds a *whole* new view on Simba and Nala’s relationship...

[@08fighter08]

I was thinking the same thing. They are basically siblings or cousins if we follow the real life lion prides.