The Meticulous Home Espresso Machine

[@BrianQuan]

Hope this was interesting! It's always awesome to see innovative machines coming out of countries you generally wouldn't expect. Please feel free to leave any questions and feedback for the Meticulous team here. ☕

[@ericbaluya361]

The most innovation usually comes from small companies

[@z_nar349]

Probably the most interesting product in coffee for a while. Also, the founder seems very approachable and down to earth, which bodes well for the future. Especially when comparing to others, namely John and Weber. Finally, as a software engineer, the fact that the software is already so polished intrigues me even more.

[@s96822]

Yet the most pressing question is did he bring you some mole from Puebla? They have great mole.

[@georgelien]

Thank you, Brain, I always wanted to know who made these beautiful coffee machines.

[@NashvilleFanatic]

Is it reasonable to ask what your opinion is on the value proposition here? How do you think it compares to other products in its proposed price range? Is this as good a deal as it seems? Would you buy one???

[@uncola6028]

You can definitely tell he was a product designer because the aesthetics of the machine are so clean. Super attractive machine

[@marcusannegarn8497]

Yeah, it's interesting what can happen when people outside the coffee world come in and make a product. I.e Niche Zero, Decent Espresso, and this!

[@meticulous_home]

Thank you 😊

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

@@meticulous_home wish the two controls (button + dial) had a pop of color like yellow to match the yellow dial

[@braxtonjens7839]

This is so rad, it’s like an F58 and a decent had a love child. This opens the possibilities of easily using custom water like a F58, but then have the repeatability of profiles like a decent.

[@aanmaaklimonade]

I love the fact that it’s a stealth espresso machine.. no sound and beautiful espresso! Nice new approach :)

[@dimaangert]

Stealth AND tiny espresso machine. The levers are stealth or close to it, but usually bigger (like La Pavoni) or considerably bigger (like Profitec Pro 800).

[@fratista]

now we need stealth grinders

[@p4lxrich]

Wow ok I’m impressed. I hope they make white version

[@meticulous_home]

🤫😉

[@fulltimebitcoin2124]

This is BRILLIANT. I am so blown away right now. Streitman and a decent had a baby and it’s beautiful. I will be first on the list!

[@khungreen9773]

3 years in the hole and he lands here - incredible! Bravo and wishing you all the best 🎉

[@cktse_jp]

Love the aesthetics, simple yet super functional.

[@SarntAKluss]

Thank you for this video - what a great machine! This is thinking outside the box! I hope to hear a lot more about this machine! Great idea - now make it count!

[@meticulous_home]

❤

[@MrDistill]

Really impressive. What a brilliant designer. Not only uplifting espresso but his country 🇲🇽!

[@ChrisPCC]

Perfect solution to those who want Decent-level control over variables AND want to experiment with coffee water without worrying about destroying the machine. 150 mils is enough to pull a crazy long allonge too. I wonder if they are thinking up a solution for those who want a steam wand that would blend aesthetically with this. I'm hyped!

[@error.418]

Yeah, +1 to steam wand, no need for a hot water tap

[@daydriper]

Buen trabajo Carlos! Con gusto apoyare la campaña! Brian Great work too! Your channel is great! Not bias as others have became! Thanks for your videos!

[@managereda]

This is brilliant. Look forward to seeing this machine available to purchase.

[@c4li]

very cool concept. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[@jinushaun]

Looks amazing. UI is gorgeous. Decent should copy your homework. I hope you guys have a milk steamer in your design pipeline, whether as a companion device or a v2 model.

[@error.418]

Yeah, +1 to steam wand, no need for a hot water tap

[@hungngngng]

Man am I hyped about this! Thank you Brian for showing it off, will definitely get 1 when it launches

[@bigwave_dave8468]

Nicely done!

[@KombaskeN]

This is genius. I want one!!! PS. matte white color option would be nice

[@m4tth3wh]

Thanks for the video and helping show off this machine. Some impressive stuff going on and some wonderful design. I did wonder about the brew button located above the water reservoir area and that condensation. Look forward to seeing this machine progress.

[@yusupbambang8243]

This is a game changer for espresso lover

[@yanivbk]

Carlos and his wife are definitely living the dream

[@greysuit17]

This is fantastic and when it’s available I’m getting one!

[@meticulous_home]

❤

[@josepascual3535]

Que bueno ver a latinos en el mundo del café. ¡Te deseo mucho exito Carlos!

[@johnlogan4053]

Why are you emphasizing race. It's all about a man working hard and making the coffee world a better place.

[@andfromearth]

Definitely stoked for this machine if it can really do all that for $1500!! Seems like it will really change the game for home espresso!

[@meticulous_home]

We will reveal more soon!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

17:44 Funny, I was just thinking about brew temperatures, my old Rocket E61 HX machine had the boiler PID set to 120c by default and said that would give you about 200f (93c) brew temperature at the group. My Current ECM dual Boiler E61 machine I believe the PID setting is supposed to give you the actual brew temperature or that's what it's designed to estimate anyway (PID is still setting the boiler temperature but has an offset based on their testing on how much temperature loss you get while the water travels from the boiler to the brew group, it might be 10c loss or whatever, and they factor that calculation in) that's my understand of it anyway. I tested with an E61 group thermometer and found the Setting of 200f on the PID would give me about 196f max brew temperature, 198f more like 193-194, which You'd think is too cool, but the thing is, even with light roasts the coffee still turns out good. I know Decent brand machines their default temperature is lower, like 91c I believe which is about 196f, So I'm wondering what is the actual brew temperature most people are brewing at? The 85c /185f brew temperature here seems pretty low, why would you say it didn't need that hot of a temperature with this type of brewer?

[@emadventures6975]

Man if decent have an app that looks that clean it would be amazing… love the live view of the shot and how easy to read 19:04

[@sdjohnston67]

Wow! Amazing. And because there are no boilers or water pumps and no tubing, scaling should be a total non-issue. It looks like this has Decent-like minute control of a shot, with the very easy maintenance and dependability of a lever machine.

[@meticulous_home]

Exactly! Experimenting with water receipts without scaling issues make us very happy

[@theBEACHB0Y]

I am really excited about this machine! Since Kickstarter is only in March you have time to look at the condensation, the patent worries, the declining tem profile, etc. I would love a plumb-in option so only a 1/4" line with an electronically controlled valve to fill the reservoir in an integrated way. This would remove the pour-over step and leave only the frothing on the side.

[@Mon3yBagSs]

Awesome video! Super excited to see the Meticulous out in the wild

[@thestudio.coffee]

Love that you've got a bag of Hatch in the background. My favourite roaster in Canada!

[@wanttoseeafight]

Love the design and I'm sure it will do well. For people that just want an espresso shot its a great design but for those of us that like our micro foam $1500 is rough when you need to buy additional equipment to steam milk with.

[@meticulous_home]

It’s a problem we want to solve for sure 😅

[@wanttoseeafight]

@@meticulous_home honestly I'm still thinking I'm gonna buy into the kickstarter. That built in scale with stop by weight? Dayum

[@emil_k]

Carlos sounds like a serial entrepreneur and a great engineer. I immediately think of the bosetamper, an engineer bringing a product to life. Wish it had a water tank but that certainly complicates things. Would say to make a little more profit, want the company to be around and support early models, this will take money. Carlos, good luck, hope its supported well.

[@sharpedance]

Love this concept. I’m all-in on the design - a dream come true. Quiet like a lever machine but easy like an automatic! I love that you don’t NEED the app to use it. My only suggestion: I feel that low-tech is elegant, so I’d like the option to turn off Wifi communication and bluetooth and just use buttons once preferences are set. Thank you for this review, Brian and I’m on the list at Meticulous Home! Great design!

[@meticulous_home]

Yea you will be able to do that! We want to make it as easy as possible to get great results :)

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

Wonder about de scaling if you're not using super filtered water

[@hoseinmohamadzadeh4212]

My new favorite machine

[@_kwak]

Love to see this 🤌

[@stavroskypraios2014]

Any thoughts about meticulus milk steamer whould be much appreciated!

[@taejaskudva2543]

I love how much childlike Christmas excitement Brian has while looking at it!

[@meticulous_home]

Yes, Brian was super cool 😄

[@LimitedWard]

I noticed a good amount of condensation around the top black part near the brew button. Is that a concern for long term durability?

[@officialMainspring]

oh!!!!!!!! I'm in. 😁👍👍👍

[@dvu0704]

I love how the machine look and all the features, it would be nice to integrated hot steam for creamy milk?

[@meticulous_home]

Thank you

[@AzuritSK]

Version with a steam wand would be cool. That's a must have for me.

[@AlessandroLara345]

Grande Rey Panqueque

[@Ali_Shafai]

Thank you, @BrianQuan. I recently became aware of the Meticulous, and I plan on getting in on the Indigogo in the next week or so. Are you a backer for it as well?

[@axroes]

Very nice! Love the look and think that at this price point it fills the gap between regular machines and the decent. The integrated scale is also excellent btw. People won’t have to fork over 250-300usd for a great scale. Great innovation and good luck with the kickstarter! Best wishes

[@meticulous_home]

Thank you 🙏

[@TheDusty0ne]

This is so cool! Really gives the Decent a run for its money if you are only into Espresso.

[@cameronbatko]

Very cool video. Super cool that coffee KZbin is connecting to people from everywhere. Such a cool design for an espresso machine.

[@meticulous_home]

We learned everything we know about coffee from KZbin and now the same people want to try our machine and are excited about it. It’s been a wonderful experience, and people are super nice!

[@Caffeine.And.Carvings]

If this thing delivers, it's a Catch and my Dream machine. I have a flair pro 2 since 3 years and I haven't pulled more enjoyable shots even on much more expensive or sophisticated machines. Sometimes it's just a Hassel to heat up everything, and the cleanup involved. Basically a flair with automatic kettle and automatic water refill would be my dream machine. Notes to the DeV: include a flow profiler for your machine that I can put into my flair. I then create my favorite profile the way I pull it on a real manual lever and then plug it into your machine which does the same but automatic. I'd spent more than 1k on that ^^

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Do you have to release the excess water if you're planning on doing multiple shots? Can you just wait for pressure to die down and then top it off the water for the next shot? Or it needs to push through all the water to release the pressure.

[@JohnDennery]

Looks incredible. For me, great design and simplicity go hand in hand. Designing products that work well and are easy to repair/service is what I like to see. My current espresso machine works great but does not have any way to customize preinfusion or pressure and this machine seems like it does everything I would ever want, while also saving space, energy, and with far fewer parts!

[@KrishnenduKes]

Gosh! I am super excited. And I will probably end up buying this product. My only thing is, how am I going to steam milk?

[@sewerynmichalak4158]

Wow, Great idea. Looking forward for the campaign. Hopefully it will be available wordwide (in poland😊)

[@donaldmorgan5265]

I would love to give it a test drive! I am a Flair Signature Pro 2 user and really like the options for pulling multiple shots faster for my friends!!

[@mikni4069]

Looks so intriguing, a temperature stable automated flair58 with added decent tech, dream machine right there, will definitely consider backing it if it comes in 220-240v and you can back it outside the Americas.

[@meticulous_home]

Yes, we will offer 240v and international plugs!

[@cristofhersamperio]

Todo un grande el Rey Panqueque 🙏

[@scottintexas]

What components require cleaning and replacement, how often, and how easy to manage? I love the integrated scale! Needs to be a trend in machines. I love that it’s quiet! The simplicity of it means less to go wrong. I see no reason it can’t include a water tank to eliminate the water pouring, but not a big deal. It will depend on the price point and footprint if a reservoir is added. Thanks for the preview! PS They need to embed this video on their site.

[@meticulous_home]

Thanks for your suggestions, you can think of an electric kettle like a reservoir 😂 but yeah good ideas for future improvements !

[@MartinBleazard]

@@meticulous_home I enjoy the pouring part, so used to the whole pouring, heating, pouring etc of my flair so think I would miss that part, I dont want a reservoir personally 😂 embedded scale is INCREDIBLE, interested in calibration and servicing of that but def getting this as soon as you launch 🔥🔥🔥 been burnt by kickstarter but keen to back you guys 👌 also, a steam wand would be cool but I like my separate devices so not a big thing but I feel that could be a separate companion product or V2 with a wand

[@TheGroundedCoffee]

Man, nerding out over legal l, addictive substances is the best kind if nerding out.

[@themrgumbatron]

Interesting product

[@Mooza1]

I still use a Cafelat Robot because I love the customisable piston pressure and feel that I get. This seems like the next upgrade. A few big concerns for me though is the condensation above the water boiler - it needs a spout big time, maybe a turnable one that opens in one position when pouring then turn to close. It will also prevent dirt, dust, critters, etc. getting in there when not in use. Also, Temperature stability is not imo a selling point in all respects. I want my temp at the puck to drop throughout the shot, that's the 'lever profile'. I can see this being relatively easy to do. Lastly, the height of the portafilter above the cup is a bit much. Three smaller things - we saw flow rate profiling, but does it do pressure profiling too? That's far more important to me. What is clean-up like? Once you take the portafilter off, how much water comes out? How easy is it to clean the water boiler and the piston? Serviceability - how easy is it to replace the scales if/when they break, replace seals, upgrade software, and all that stuff that allows this to be used or 10+ years. That's a lot of money for a coffee machine and must be addressed if you want me to buy this. Look at Decent, when I buy that machine, I'm guaranteed that it can be serviced, fixed and upgraded thoughout it's entire life.

[@FahimAzizBackpacker]

great questions.

[@caenorstfuji]

since the portafilter is the only exit, I believe pressure can be mathematically deduced from flow

[@skompie]

I'm pretty sure a lot of your questions are addressed in this video. You might have missed it but they do discuss the condensation issue briefly (planning on adding a fan I think). They also talk about servicing and cleaning as well. They even mention that it can do both pressure profiling and flow profiling.

[@jsikke]

Is there a step missing? Weighing beans (nice!), xxx, then adding water, and the espresso. Do you need to use an external grinder, or do the whole beans go into the machine?

[@tcgunner90]

Is the condensation from the water heating up an issue? I see on the front-top piece (with the button) lots of steam is coming up and getting it and the button wet.

[@christianls8224]

Orgulloso del rey panqueque

[@erihsehc2]

the front round button at the right bottom corner is wet and covered with steam water, would it be nice to relocate the button to the top right corner?

[@johncoleman1930]

This is honestly the most I have ever been about an espresso machine, trly I would love to own one of these one day!

[@meticulous_home]

❤

[@johncoleman1930]

@@meticulous_home Very excited to see where y'all go, I suspect this will be a game changer in the industry!

[@richardshaw7449]

Pretty interesting!

[@coffeecove7058]

I love this unit. I would prefer most of the controls to be on the machine though, with option to also access Internet for updates or to get profiles.

[@meticulous_home]

You will be able to do pretty much everything from the machine. But creating custom curves and node structures is easier in a tablet or computer. It depends on how deep you want to dive!

[@DasSuperschaf7]

Wow - this looks fantastic! If I hadn‘t just got a dual boiler, this would have made the top of my short list.

[@Streetsight]

Thanks for sharing this exciting product. I'm just curious how the workflow would be when brewing multiple shots in quick succession. Wishing him the very best!

[@randyhou8522]

This is really impressive, and nothing else like it on the market. One question I have is can you do intra-shot temperature profiling? Like mimic a lever declining temperature profile?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Good question, it doesn't seem like it does currently but I wonder if it could. Seems good even if it just has a single stable temperature. I heard from someone with a Decent machine who's experimented with rising or falling temperature profiles that a straight temperature worked best. But that's just one persons experience so who knows. Would be fun to play around with that and experiment.

[@glennianaro6594]

I’m really excited about this machine. Ended up watching the video twice in the past week. Currently I use a La Pavoni, which isn’t ideal when making coffee for several people. I love the silence of a lever and definitely don’t mind pouring water into the reservoir. This machine has everything I would want. I might just keep the La Pavoni just for frothing milk when guests want that.

[@robz9988]

Looks great. Anyone know what is the material inside of the "water reservoir/boiler"?

[@meticulous_home]

Stainless steel

[@leeandyleee]

If this could do something like Scott Rao’s filter 2.0 profile, this could replace someone’s whole setup for a very reasonable price. Wonder if you could do sprover by just continuously pouring water into the funnel.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I don't think you can continuously add water since it seems to have a step where it sucks the water down into the brew chamber and pressurizes that. But 150ml or 200ml or whatever they're increasing it to, is likely more than anyone would need for an espresso machine. I'm not a fan of the Spro-Over type things, more of a ristretto type guy.

[@marcusannegarn8497]

I was wondering the same! Spro-overs are my absolute favourite way to make coffee. I personally find a simple 4ml flow with an 18:200 more forgiving than the Rao Filter recipe

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Looks very nice and promising! Nice if we're finally getting a good profiling / smart espresso machine for a decent price. One down side of going with a thinner brew chamber might be that it will end up getting hotter on the outside, being less insulated maybe. That's one down side of the typical lever machines like La Pavoni Europiccola. The display on the machine looks beautiful but maybe could be larger or maybe switch between modes if that's possible, like just show the weight scales numbers (so that it's larger) until it detects water being added and switches to brew mode or something.

[@pithyginger6371]

I'm ngl, ever since I got a lever machine, I've always wondered why machines aren't built this way (motorized piston). Hope to see how this evolves in the future!

[@greyhound4204]

I think that one of the reasons is that with a piston you can't steam the milk.

[@chaddyaniwcellist]

Looks amazing - great work! In addition to the milk challenge, I wonder if there have been any thoughts on building in a small gravimetric grinder for future?

[@paskoh]

This has to be the most exciting espresso machine since the decent especially if they can get it under 1k

[@trevorkurzhal]

Can't wait to see what they're gonna do with this thing.

[@meticulous_home]

Stay tuned, some surprises are yet to be revealed!

[@ThPappas]

What kind of water it uses?I ask it,because I didn’t hear something about some anti scale filter that there is in the machine.

[@ritinfek]

Awaiting for arrival...

[@ThulinMartin]

This guy seems nice. Can he also build a wooden chess boards?

[@NwinDii]

You think there is a possibility of them adding a full manual mode with the knob? So we could basically use it like a flair 58.

[@AbuSalem2099]

A very interesting machine.

[@dtonpbac]

We need more people like this in specialty coffee industry. Innovation is one of the things that this industry lacks the most. There are too many lazy, conservative brands/people who are stuck in the past. Looks at brands like Baratza, Comandante, Mahlkönig, etc.

[@meticulous_home]

Thanks :)

[@r_bear]

This is awesome! I have an Argos on order but otherwise I might have saved up to get this machine. I think you'll find a lot of success with it, Carlo!

[@atavax311]

what kind of network connectivity options is it? Can you only connect other devices via bluetooth?

[@Yirgamalabar]

Looks really interesting. The design is much nicer than a Decent in my opinion (and matches well with the Weber Key grinder). It's also a lot quieter. It would be great if they could offer a lever add-on to attach to the top of the machine, so that one could pull a shot interacting with the machine as if it was a traditional lever, though with a lot less effort since the lever isn't directly linked to the piston and just translates lever motion to pressure. It would be like upgrading from a car with non-power-assisted steering to power-assisted.

[@logan999]

Can i ask about the maintenance? I currently use a 58 and find that i need to lubricate the piston and the o-rings.

[@gimig91]

I only drink espresso so I love it!! Looks like my dream machine! But if the kickstarter starts in March, when will the first batch ship? Will it be for us in Europe as well?

[@darylfortney8081]

Recommend adding an inductively heated and magnetically stirred milk frother on the right side of the base where currently there is nothing. This could also take advantage of the built in scale for dosing out your milk.

[@meticulous_home]

We are thinking about milk a lot, it’s a hard problem to solve!

[@darylfortney8081]

that machine is remarkable and beautiful at the same time... looking forward to seeing more about it and it could very well be my next espresso machine to eventually replace my Slayer. What about steamed milk?

[@meticulous_home]

Thank you! We are thinking about milk a lot!

[@x7w6]

The design is very nice and clean. I wish there were a water reservoir but I suppose just like grinders people like prepping for 1 cup at a time at home

[@meticulous_home]

With an electric kettle next to it, you can prepare espressos almost back to back.

[@meticulous_home]

Once it gets warm, wait time is virtually 0!

[@x7w6]

@@meticulous_home I see. Not a bad idea at all

[@coffeecove7058]

I really like this machine. I would love it to have all (most) controls from the machine, but perhaps the performance "bars", updates, or get profiles from the internet.

[@meticulous_home]

That’s the idea. You would use a tablet just for the most complex stuff.

[@juliastrasser3766]

the completely silent piston mechanic is very intriguing. like a lever machine without all the annoying parts. I wonder if you could do multiple (or at least a few) shots back to back since the water "funnel" fits 150ml?

[@jakevan1969]

Wow. I want one.

[@angelm.8928]

I want to know how they stop air from getting into the brewing cylinder if you don't pour enough water and if that causes false preasure readings or other issues. Thanks!

[@Myusernamehere33]

Fucking awesome. When I’m ready to upgrade my 58, this will be IT

[@meticulous_home]

Thanks!!

[@iNFiNiTE69]

Can't wait till he sends one to James Hoffman!

[@nobantahir]

this is really cool and I wish the best for them but it's also such a niche solution. with all their tech it would be lovely if they expanded their tech to a traditional espresso setup w steaming support so their innovation doesn't "go to waste".

[@surindhatalwatte8176]

Seems like a great machine and beautiful. Really like the display. Could get used to adding water. Love the sensors and software. For me inability to steam milk is showstopper.

[@theankotze638]

Supa Dupa!!!