The MFSQ - The Binding Coils of Bahamut (Large Spoilers)

[@trifontrifonov4297]

So Nael is a weird situation. Originally Nael, in 1.0, was meant to be a woman dressed like a man, but it was not made clear and there was a mix up between the writing and translation team. So Nael was both female and male , got translated as male in the international version, and then was dead, so nobody cared. (It makes sense in Japanese as they have neutral gender pronouns build in the language) Then they brought Nael back for Coils and tried to retcon it. So the Nael we face is meant to be a copy of the original Nael, but gender reversed. That was not good enough, so the final retcon is that the Nael we fought was the original Nael's female twin. There was also a rumor that Nael was female in the JP version and male in the US version, but it does not seem to be true.

[@MisshapenChair]

I'll pin your comment so other people can see. I'll give myself an excuse and say it's supposed to be some dramatic irony when Urianger tries to explain Nael to us but he doesn't really know the truth either.

[@KaminaTribal]

Yeah the original Nael died young before the events of 1.0 and his sister wanted to honour him by joining the Garlean army posing as him. It's more or less a Mulan situation.

[@MisshapenChair]

I now realize you can run Coils in New Game Plus and I feel like an idiot more than I usually do. I could record all the cutscenes again, but I think it's an innocent enough mistake and feels more genuine this way.

[@unit2a766]

Also your hat is stoopid

[@pklifeupa7064]

That's what happens to Warrior players, smooth all over...

[@kuronanestimare]

You forgot to make fun of the fact that at level 80, Summoners say "You know what? Fuck the vow of silence, I'm summoning Phoenix as a part of my rotation."

[@unit2a766]

@@kuronanestimare nah, I just don't like that hat

[@pklifeupa7064]

@@kuronanestimare if Alphinaud stayed a Summoner, he'd be reunited with his Grampa. 😆 🤣

[@keyblitz_]

After all this time, I can finally experience the full story of Bahamut past "getting gatekept by Nael in minimum ilvl no echo parties"

[@lethargicwizard]

As someone who progged that fight back when it was relevant, and when jobs actually had full kits at 50, why would you ever willingly subject yourself to that hell

[@brutejustice8593]

I would have no idea what that experience was like but I did get gatekept by ucob nael for a month

[@hughborsilli6170]

I remember for the longest time I didn't know why Summoner could summon Phoenix when we never fought Phoenix in the game. Then I did the Coils after I beat Shadowbringer and went "Oh, so we DID fight Phoenix I guess"

[@bclxprss]

The requirement to summon an egi of a Primal is to bathe in its aether. All of Eorzea bathed in Phoenix's aether when it reborn'd the realm.

[@robrobPS2]

suzaku is also phoenix and an optimal boss from stormblood

[@boanoah6362]

True but no one knows that, Phoenix is meant to be an Uber special secret and the only reason we or any of the NPCs can summon it is because they know. 99.9% of Eorzea has no clue what a Phoenix even is and probably just assume you're doing some bird magic.

[@mushious]

"can you solo this fight unsynced" Yeah, just go slow until 65% then do your burst phase to nuke her before golems spawn.

[@KZorander]

At 90 you can easily one-shot the golems before they have a chance to even move towards each other. Cleared it in about three minutes as an i580 RDM and most of that was waiting for all the meteors to fall. Duo 90's can clear the savage version just as easily.

[@RealNikoPlush]

8:27 Why did you do this to us Chair? Why you bring back our PTSD like that

[@tacojoe7996]

"Just imagine it is a purple haired cat girl samurai" I do that for everything.

[@seriodenoyarohi7403]

One Correction: The Original Nael was a man but died long before the events of 1.0 After his death his sister took his Armor, name, position, his whole identity and basically pretended to be Nael. We never meet the original in the game. Ethys Asher has a good Video regarding the subject if you're interested.

[@Aluc1d]

Damn you mean exactly like Lyse? Lol

[@spicy.d]

That's a Nerrel level quality thumbnail, which is about as high a praise as I can give. A definite 10 out of 10.

[@Longlius]

I wish they'd make a slightly undertuned version of coils suitable for Normal Raid roulette. The story is actually pretty important to the overarching plot and it sucks that most new players don't experience it until they're well into Shadowbringers or Endwalker.

[@hirokjyotideka5571]

I cleared ShB. Post MSQ and 3 ultima weapon (primals) fights have connection to CoB. I didn't do it, so I had no clue what was going so I stopped paying attention.

[@WhiteRKnight1]

Doubly so for SMN players as, I think, this is where you get the aether that allows you to use the Demi-Phoenix summon. So if you never did the coils, you's just think Phoenix popped up out of nowhere.

[@UltimateSoulX]

I spat my drink TWICE for cool alphinaud and cute alisae. You'll normaly owe some grape juice, but this video was very nice so I'll let it slide. Looking forward to the others.

[@CloudStrifeXX1]

Having started playing in 5.5, coils holds a special place in my heart as my first raid series. So naive that I somehow did the first 4 turns through duty finder (blessed 40 min queues) and was so happy to beat what I thought was "difficult" content in Twintania. And I eventually cleared the rest of the tier w other sprouts that didn't want to miss any optional content. The aesthetic and story for the raid tier is still was one of the best- it being in that weird liminal spot of "not hard enough to be savage, but harder than other future 8-man's" is something truly unique to the game, and probably the peak of ARR. Fuck Nael tho.

[@Longlius]

Mad respect for not only queuing in the first place but also sticking out duty finder parties.

[@Zadamanim]

The reason all the Garlean locations are called Castrum is because its their word for Fort, like Fort Lauderdale or Fort Wayne. Castrum Occidens can have two meanings, as Occidens means lost/ruined but Occident (a derrivative) means the Western world (opposite to oriental meaning the Far East). So it could mean Western Fort or Ruined Fort and both are fitting.

[@facetioustitan3900]

Also, a lot of Garlean naming and military conventions are based on Latin and ancient Rome. Castrum is the Roman word for fort.

[@tcoren1]

@@facetioustitan3900 I'm assuming it's the word "castle" is derived from?

[@TheGalderis]

Cheers for doing this one. A great refresh on the Coils lore with the added Misshapen spice.

[@Verpal]

All catgirls looks exactly the same so I think your alts are fine.

[@remjoleea5560]

Yo wtf! I’ve been playing for around five months, just completed the stormblood raid quests, and am only now realizing that there’s more to the coils of bahamut than just the first five turns… I was always confused how the story just went nowhere, but I guess I got caught up in heavensward and stormblood proper to ever finish this quest line. I’ll come back to this video when I’ve experienced it for myself to hear the rest of the jokes :)

[@Astares9]

as someone who skipped coils because i was already at ShB by the time my friend told me it existed, thank you for explaining to me the gist of the story. i kind of hate slogging through story. you made it easy and i wanted to know about bahamut.

[@tulnekaya1054]

Nael's gender is explained in the Encyclopedia Eorzea. Basically, the actual Nael was a dude. He died in battle due to their father's poor tactical acumen. His sister, Eula Darnus, murdered their family and his close associates, took his armor and name, and then just lived under his identity. So it was Eula, posing as Nael, that invaded Eorzea. Then died. Which is why we have a Garlean lady turn into a crazy dragon woman.

[@nickycastro3229]

I've been considering soloing these raids for the story recently...but if Chair is going to explain it to me for free, then I'll take that all day

[@iaxacs3801]

Have fun soloing Second Coil Turn 4

[@Zadamanim]

At level 80 some of those were fairly challenging to solo, because of how the mechanics work

[@Juulji]

everytime u upload it feels like my birthday

[@Morscrow]

finally!! i still have PTSD from nael even if its unsync with Friends

[@Skyace13]

I love these, keep it up man

[@Vale-vw5fr]

The MFSQ - Final Fantasy XIV version 1.0 when?

[@facetioustitan3900]

As someone who didn't start playing until 2ish years ago and was basically only able to speedrun this unsynced with some nice max-level peeps in partyfinder, I really appreciate the recap. I know you said you only had this and Crystal Tower planned for now, but if there's ever room for it in the future, I'd love to see you do the Eureka storyline.

[@gmkgoat]

I went through and solo'd bcob just to see the story for myself a few months ago and HOT DAMN the Nael fight was a bastard.

[@ellasbian]

i don't think nael deus darnus is really a "different nael" as you said, and reading the wiki (since i never played 1.0) leads me to believe that "nael" has always been eula darnus, the "real nael"'s sister, and the "real nael" from the coils is just eula after being untempered like louisoix

[@Obokralipsis]

multiple Naels is what happens when translation team keeps rolling with their screw up.

[@syaojyn]

The corrupted crystals in the first shot look like fried chicken

[@BoyBadtrip]

Rewatching this, I know know where the Telophoroi got their inspiration from.

[@SeinenGuy]

As a new guy who started on Shadowbringers release Saga instead of being with majority of the community playing since 1.0, I have to say, there were some parts that made me go, "Huh, that's surprising" given fighting Bahamut in ShB and seeing the extent and capabilities of his powers. Enjoyable as the MFSQ vid is, I'm probably still not gonna care for the raid too much to even play it. As Hyurbert from Rabtoons said, "This probably should've been a main story quest(or requirement like the Crystal Tower) instead of being swallowed whole the entirety of ARR side quests."

[@ellasbian]

What piece of body gear is that at 0:09?

[@Enrakyotens]

This should’ve been in ARR’s MSQ rather than important side content

[@SanraiDalris]

I can not stress enough what a bad idea it would be to let the dragons out of their cages.

[@AdamG3691]

What if we were with Tiamat and rubbed a small floating pig on them first?

[@SanraiDalris]

@@AdamG3691 true, but that’s like, 3 and a half expansions later.

[@Jon_the_Wizard]

I honestly kind of wish they’d make the Binding Coils mandatory like they did the Crystal Tower. Yeah it’s a lot of running around and bloating out ARR’s runtime, but it sets up stuff that ends up being called back to as far in the future as Endwalker. No I will not elaborate, play the game and find out for yourself.

[@Bupernox]

"It's always the fucking Allagans" Occasionally swap Allagan with Ascian and you essentially have the entire plot summarized.

[@Geekezf]

After all the extensions MSQ, i'm wondering if even Bahamut can beat the WoL. (Spoiler: i doubt)

[@suprizeoptomist4680]

I fighting the MSQ boss in Darkbringers when I found out that Binding Coils was... a side quest?

[@kokayinewsome9308]

I keep asking this but I need to know. Why didnt the Ascians possess all the Scion each time they got overworked or depressed. They could make them wall off cliffs or at least remove the ability to use magic. Why didnt they do that or at least all the Ascians attack all the Scions at once?

[@boanoah6362]

You do free the dragons... by killing them, they were all on life support and you rip the cord by turning off the coil.

[@BronzeApparathus]

Loui is voiced by the same voice actor that did grigori in dragons dogma

[@burnout02urza]

It's so weird to see Alisae wearing blue

[@1ShotByeBye]

What a great time~ Can't queue bahamut quest in normally~ at begin i though Lv.70 ninja solo whole series quest should be piece of cake… and then they 1 shot kill me… realized played wrong way DPS i am where should improve~

[@g.l.4707]

The garlic empire.

[@noelleweiss3772]

Should probably do an Omega mini-series like this before Endwalker tbh. Kind important info in there.

[@miamha]

Aw sweet, a Rivenroad thread

[@izaac05]

Now I'm excited for Chair to crap all over the Alexander storyline.

[@CNote-lx3ws]

doing these quests after the events of 5.4 makes it hit a little different

[@LatiosXDHalo]

Why does this samurai have a gun barrel on her sword all of a sudden? It's really out of- *bang*

[@Brandon-ld5eg]

Thank you for these videos because I didn’t stop skipping cutscenes until 5.3

[@jw5931]

>Nintendo pfp Adds up

[@verdantmischief7092]

Who in the hell plays a JRPG and skips the story

[@xryuu5464]

Please do the lv60 trials history I'm begging you

[@hotpenguin607]

Lmao the thumbnail Im dead

[@seancatacombs]

dang this girl has a really deep voice

[@RyuNoZero]

7:11 nope it isn't, "van" is just your Legatus Bongo, "deus" stands for god ^^

[@bxnaxmxxnaxx1914]

I'll be honest.., it wasn't too hard to imagine reddish head catbreaker as Iris purplerai..,

[@hobobeard]

“Ooti-ehn-jer”. Tell me you play with japanese audio without telling me you play with japanese audio.

[@echo_9835]

Who is this Nael guy/girl?

[@AwkwardBird]

positive comment

[@SwipeDrako]

Why would you make alts of the same race. Are you insane?!?!!?

[@Jemstoness]

I heard Nael was just cross dressing the entire time and coils is when we find out , but idk thinking about it too much is a waste.

[@quiknik22488]

Hey I have a purple haired catgirl tooo!!!!!! ♥

[@Blaumagier]

They could not have made Nael more confusing a character. In 1.0 there was absolutely no reason to suspect Nael was not a man. In the current game, I have heard everything from the Nael we find in coils is not the same as the one we fought in 1.0 to Nael was always a woman because the original was her brother that died long before 1.0 began. However I honestly have not found any kind of in game lore to support anything other than "it's complicated."

[@JohnDCrafton]

If you've done Ruby Weapon it basically confirms that female Nael is 1.0 Nael

[@Blaumagier]

@@JohnDCrafton Yeah, due to this, I believe the "Nael van Darnus WE know was always female" but opponents to that thought can always point to Urianger's reaction to the WoL saying Nael deus Darnus was a woman. However, Ruby Weapon utilizing Nael's female form makes zero sense as it was supposedly a secret to EVERYONE, including her fellow Garleans. She did basically steal the identity of an imperial officer and most militaries in real life and fiction would harshly punish that with exceedingly few exceptions, so I believe she was successful at keeping her secret from even Garlemald.

[@JohnDCrafton]

@@Blaumagier Urianger's reaction is irrelevant to the discussion. If it was a big secret then of course he's not going to know the truth. They didn't use "Nael's female form", they used Nael's combat data. Data which was gathered mostly from the female Nael. Her true form came from that data. The Garleans would have been just as surprised as anyone else to see what that data revealed.

[@Blaumagier]

@@JohnDCrafton This is true. The whole thing is just an odd decision and I don't think it actually adds anything of value to Nael van Darnus's character. Really baffling that they would do so much retconning to a dead character to only bring them back for one fight before killing them again.

[@JohnDCrafton]

@@Blaumagier Do you mean for the coils fight or for the ruby weapon fight? In either case it's not like they didn't have reason to use her. She was integral to the whole Bahamut storyline so it only makes sense to include her here. And as for the weapon, well you know the story for that. Who else could they have used? Some character we've never heard of before? The only reason it's even an issue is because of the gender confusion from 1.0 (Nael was clearly male in the English version but not specified in Japanese), and the way Nael talked in the Bahamut story only added to the confusion. I've heard that some lore book or other confirmed Nael was female, but I haven't read it.

[@Bytesthedust]

I forgot they literally used to dress the same lmao

[@akumetsu-6051]

"Comment"

[@LeroyJ12]

This reminds me of why I skipped the cutscenes in ff14.

[@miau384]

I actually hate the mansplaining parts of Alphinaud in this series so much, it made me hate the whole storyline. And yes, I know it's supposedly written by Ishikawa, I still hate this plotline. edit: I have to add that the cringe of Alisaie + Alphinaud book power cutscene doesn't help.

[@verdantmischief7092]

Understandable. I as a man didn't realize that's what he was doing, unfortunately

[@smidgecoo3848]

I mean. It's still ARR/pre-HW Alphinaud, he hasn't been humbled yet so of course he's still gonna be Smug Li'l Shit. I think it doesn't help that in comparison they were still trying to develop or figure out Alisaie's character -- in character, she hasn't found her "thing" to distinguish herself from her brother, who is "technically better than her" because their main point of comparison is the Studium where he got higher marks than her (or admitted earlier or something). Even though they're both li'l elfy prodigies. So he kinda does the "older brother/first-in-his-class" thing and talks down to her. Which she more than makes up for by spending all of Stormblood on dunking on the boy who isn't very buoyant. All that to say is that there's kiiinda a reason for Alphinaud being the way he is in this storyline, but it's totally understandable to find it off-putting.

[@verdantmischief7092]

@@smidgecoo3848 I actually was going to say something along these lines if some guy got "triggered" over the use of the mansplain word in the replies. Yeah, Alphinaud was a little shit in ARR for the most part so it makes sense if he acts like that in pre-HW stories

[@paveesfox375]

​@@verdantmischief7092holy hell, what is actually wrong with you? People who aren't broken in head the head do NOT speak like this. Get off the internet and walk around actual people. Letting some tard say "man-slapining" over just saying "he's being arrogant as per character arc" makes you a subhuman who I pray to God never breeds since those genes are an objective failure