The Mini Split - REINVENTED.

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@mindfornication4funn
@mindfornication4funn Ай бұрын
Ladder Crane set up is super sweet !!
@vmcprojects
@vmcprojects Ай бұрын
He should patent it or turn it into a product, if something like that doesn't exist already. It' simple and effective, so I can imagine lots of people needing something like that.
@CharlesManess
@CharlesManess Ай бұрын
Wow that lift is genius I would love to see a full video on that 👍👍👍
@will1498
@will1498 Ай бұрын
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@joell439
@joell439 Ай бұрын
Suggestion for future installs - consider marking off your ceiling cut lines with the edge of blue painters tape. And by using a couple of additional widths of tape around the perimeter of the initial cut, you protect the paint from smudges 👍
@spinkey4842
@spinkey4842 Ай бұрын
man, watching this remind me of the many years i spent in florida attics running lines, ducts, drains, attic change outs, etc. i don't miss it one bit. the young bucks coming into the trade will have cake work after these units replace the traditional systems. clean works boys!!
@Val-xi4we
@Val-xi4we Ай бұрын
I would disagree. instead of 1 line set to change, you now have 4+. Instead of 1 drain to worry about clogging, you now have 4+. Imagine having to deal with 4+ condensate pumps!!! Time will tell I guess.
@spinkey4842
@spinkey4842 Ай бұрын
@@Val-xi4we fair enough. but i tried showing new kids in the trade how to build spider plenums, all i got was a deer in head lights. seems as if 4 condensate pumps is lite work to running proper ducting for the new gen. maybe it was just my area and the kids that needed work bad enough to hang out in a 130 F attics all day with another sweaty dude.
@johnalvitre3154
@johnalvitre3154 Ай бұрын
I remember installing my first one... I was in Iraq and re- built the failing fun room in front of my "Container Housing Unit" or CHU. I built on a new roof and put up rafters, reinforced the exterior walls, added a couple windows, and I ran a 220 volt 60 amp line to my add on via a new main panel. The only thing I needed was temperature control so I got a hold of a mini split. I then needed a vacuum for the lines since it was brand new. I used my medical suction and was able to get the desired vacuum in the end. That served me well and the new tenant, once I returned to the US, inherited the whole deal. It was a fun project on FOB Warhorse in the Diyala Provence of Iraq.
@speciesofspaces
@speciesofspaces Ай бұрын
All I would add is cleaning these. I know many people think these head units don't require much cleaning but they do. It's unpleasant enough to clean wall mounted units but these on the ceiling also look hard. I have a pretty good method for cleaning my wall units but unless these ceiling units are more serviceable then I'd stick with the wall units. What all these units should have is a simple way to remove the necessary parts for cleaning without getting into all the interlocking plastic parts (and tabs) which makes getting it all back together and quiet a tedious task. If the blower wheel on these ceiling units simply drops down and out (without removing too much plastic housing) then I might be sold. But something tells me that is asking too much.
@karlInSanDiego
@karlInSanDiego Ай бұрын
@25:45 They have a filter at the intake before the fan to keep dust out of the unit. The filter lowers down to help you clean (not change) it. They copied this from the Japanese manufacturers. Do people tear down their attic based central HVAC equipment to scrub the fan blades? No they do not.
@mwrcrft
@mwrcrft Ай бұрын
I do like the idea, practicality takes over and service on each unit can be tedious. Condensation drain on each unit needs to be checked and cleaned. Great idea, still requires more maintenance than a central unit , but if a central unit isn't possible, this is a good workaround.
@Korrea00
@Korrea00 Ай бұрын
​@karlInSanDiego we do pull and clean evap coils and blower motors.
@freonpeon472
@freonpeon472 Ай бұрын
Hope you have ample crawl space in attic because any repairs/maintainance will be a bear. Replacing condensate level sensor, replacing condensate pump, cleaning condensate pan, etc., etc..
@GregKrynen
@GregKrynen Ай бұрын
@@freonpeon472I believe that is all accessible from below as the attic side is really the outside of a steel spot welded box.
@Verb130
@Verb130 Ай бұрын
In Florida because of wind loads and stress on the roof, and especially since you have access to the interior of the gable end wall, I would do a reinforced wall mount with extra king studs to jack studs and two headers to attach the wall mount to. With investment in a few 2x4s, some 8d nails, and a rated mini-split wall mount bracket, a wall mount will not only remove load from the roof but also make roof maintenance and replacement much easier in the future.
@stevegraham3817
@stevegraham3817 Ай бұрын
You don't need to go to that sort of effort, most indoor units only weigh about 10kgs - 20lbs, or about the same as a 40-50inch TV.
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Ай бұрын
@@stevegraham3817 I believe he's talking about the exterior part. "wall mount" not ceiling mount for a ceiling cassette system.
@stevegraham3817
@stevegraham3817 Ай бұрын
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket In that case, the compressor/condenser part of the unit only weighs around 30kgs, so it doesn't need reinforcing for a 300kg load.
@andriiflach7008
@andriiflach7008 Ай бұрын
Use some foam board around the units in the attic. Insulate around the unit and reduce all the loose insulation build up around the unit.
@stevec7272
@stevec7272 Ай бұрын
I'd also add 6-12" of blow in insuation
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
@@stevec7272 The insulation doesn’t cool the attic it acts as a barrier to the hot air in the attic to the cool air in the home below.
@stevec7272
@stevec7272 Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjr no sh*t
@aznative_
@aznative_ 12 күн бұрын
​@@jackrodgersjr😂 Captain Obvious strikes again
@Ytrahcodo
@Ytrahcodo Ай бұрын
In climates with any humidity, ceiling cassettes installed with their open backsides extending into unconditioned space are going to sweat with condensation. The entire case needs to be well insulated and sealed with a vapor barrier to prevent this. Otherwise there will be mold and possibly ceiling damage from water.
@BelleChasseHome
@BelleChasseHome Ай бұрын
I have had a Mr. Cool AC/Heating System in my detached garage/shop for over 4 years with no issues...Love it. Im considering removing the HVAC connection from my master bedroom and adding a Mr. Cool Ceiling unit for it. This seems like the perfect idea. Thanks.
@aytviewer2421
@aytviewer2421 Ай бұрын
@8:38 - love seeing those old knob and tube wiring connectors. What a sense of nostalgia!
@solarforfuture
@solarforfuture Ай бұрын
saved many tubes from old retrofits... cute windchime dream catcher
@b4804514
@b4804514 Ай бұрын
Hey Dave I suggest you blow in another 8 to 12" of insulation. It makes a HUGE difference in how much energy you will use and it is all DIY
@diyhvacguy
@diyhvacguy Ай бұрын
Yes it’s crazy how much that stuff settled. There was a solid 14” when I blew that in and now it’s touching the rafters!
@arsenicjones9125
@arsenicjones9125 Ай бұрын
@@diyhvacguyblown in insulation is always a lie like this. It’s impossible to get truly even. You need to understand every job will always need a second visit to add material after it’s had time to settle. Therefore blown in should only be used as the addition to the r30 batt or roll already laid in the attic. Used that way the blown in gets to add all its benefits w as few of its downsides as possible.
@profitgreenly5991
@profitgreenly5991 Ай бұрын
Can you cover these ceiling units with insulation? What about air sealing between them and your ceiling with caulk and spray foam? I love the look of these units, but I fear they’ll lose a lot of coldness to the attic and let air leak up there. Would love to see how they affect blower door test and thermal camera.
@SyddlesFuzz
@SyddlesFuzz Ай бұрын
I'm SO glad slimline units exist, now! Every ceiling cassette I saw, before, was a big square. This would be PERFECT for my house
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
Similar units have been available from Honeywell and others for decades and used in hospitals and other institutions.
@SyddlesFuzz
@SyddlesFuzz Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjr At residential joist standard sizes?
@anthonygasparini1734
@anthonygasparini1734 Ай бұрын
Nice install. In most states, it's against code to have your condensate drain line going into a wet stack. Love the homemade ladder hoist.
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
Homeowner installations don't require an inspection (complying with codes) so many problems I see in this install won't get flagged. The insulation, dust, bugs, mold etc in the attic will be pulled into the air handler. And the plastic filters will have to be removed and rinsed out rather often. Easy enough in the units mounted horizontally on the wall but I don't know about these. The units will vibrate if very softly and this will cause some problems with the structure of the house. The wood will transmit these sounds.
@WinstonSmithGPT
@WinstonSmithGPT Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjrIOW you don’t sell these.
@matt8474
@matt8474 Ай бұрын
Two comments: 1) Ceiling cassettes require condensate pumps. Make sure to add algae prevention to your maintenance plan to avoid clogging the pump (PITA to access the pump on our Mitsubishi units) and 2) Individual room temp controls is fantastic, EXCEPT in Spring/Fall. If you have multiple heads on a single condenser, it can only operate in cooling or heating mode (of course....but people forget). In seasons with big temp swings, folks in different rooms may want heat or cold for comfort. Typically, the first unit turned on in the system will be the master (setting cooling or heating), and the others will be master to that setting.
@speciesofspaces
@speciesofspaces Ай бұрын
I personally don't like the idea of having the pump and any service issues like that. It being up high and flush just makes me think getting in there is going to be even harder than with a wall mounted unit. On my wall units I do one cleaning each season to help keep any clogging of the gravity drain line and other grime from building up. Getting to the blower wheel is hard but I have found just using a self-cleaning and washing formula is better than trying to take it all apart each time. I simply turn the wheel and spray it lightly which helps the formula dissolve much of the dirt. BBJ Micro Coil Cleaner etc.
@surfguy777
@surfguy777 Ай бұрын
Great comment, thanks.
@ZERO-F2G-
@ZERO-F2G- Ай бұрын
Mitsubishi makes units that can heat and cool at the same time, pricy? oh yeah....but the tech is there....just saying.
@9HighFlyer9
@9HighFlyer9 Ай бұрын
Mr cool cassettes have a built in pump. Iirc it's rated for 29" vertical.
@michaelsnead3018
@michaelsnead3018 Ай бұрын
One person wanting heat while another wanting air condition is a non issue. I can’t imagine who would have this big of a discrepancy in house temp and not be able to easily make a compromise. And what would these same people do with a ducted system? Total BS argument.
@omegaudio
@omegaudio Ай бұрын
That Ladder Crane is Genius!!
@pbrezny
@pbrezny Ай бұрын
Thumbs up on your ladder crane! Nice implementation!
@jeeperguy4290
@jeeperguy4290 13 күн бұрын
Great video & attention to detail. I should have went this route when I added AC to my furnace a few years ago. I like the fact that you can still heat or cool if one device fails for whatever reason. Nice work.👍🏻
@sophiegrisom
@sophiegrisom Ай бұрын
Downside of the Mr Cool pre-charged is that it cost much more than an equivalent mini-split where you evacuate the tubing with a vacuum pump. You can buy a pump for ~$70 (much less than Mr Cool premium) and use it in future AC work, including on your cars. Also, you can't cut and flare the Mr Cool tubing to fit so need to coil the extra.
@cryptogenik
@cryptogenik Ай бұрын
Also they have lots of other minor issues after about 1 year....
@michaelgleason4791
@michaelgleason4791 Ай бұрын
You also need a set of gauges.
@joeyscleaninglady2877
@joeyscleaninglady2877 Ай бұрын
they are ewaste if anything fails...
@MadLadsAnonymous
@MadLadsAnonymous Ай бұрын
How do you feel about the Mitsubishi mini-splits? More reliable? Better performance?
@markolmstead4709
@markolmstead4709 Ай бұрын
@@cryptogenik 7 years with a Mr. Cool. Zero issues.
@krg038
@krg038 Ай бұрын
I did not use Mr cool but went with another unit 24" square. 5 units. Ceiling units. My old outdoor heat pump went bad. For the same price I did a seer 21 5 zone. Controls each room independently. My GF was always less cold in her office so she can turn up the temp. All I had to run was power control cable and two freon lines each unit. Install took me a weekend. Im no expert. Lots of youtube videos. Bought a vacuum pump and torque wrench which I loaned out to neighbors doing mini splits. Abandoned the old ceiling ducts and blower. Huge electricity savings. Old unit 30kw. New unit all going 15kw.. Heat and cool. Great for 3 years now. Maintenance just clean filters monthly.
@ebullientwhee8878
@ebullientwhee8878 Ай бұрын
What brand did you go with?
@krg038
@krg038 Ай бұрын
@@ebullientwhee8878 c&h
@MadLadsAnonymous
@MadLadsAnonymous Ай бұрын
Which brand?
@krg038
@krg038 Ай бұрын
@@MadLadsAnonymous Cooper and Hunter. CH
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
The best thing about these minis is the end of the bug and dust filled ducts. One reason why I don't use our ac.
@kv5958
@kv5958 Ай бұрын
4unit to 1 condenser saved space but if the condenser break down, the whole house will be no cooling or heating. Another thing is the 4 to 1 condenser setup has the cooling efficient issue when all 4 in house unit turn on. The first turned on in home unit will be the primary to cool the house and then the next unit. 2 to 1 or 4 individual condenser will be better. If cost concern, you can consider 2 to 1 unit and hook up the living room with one of the less used bedroom, and another 2 to 1 condenser for the dinning room and another bedroom. At lease when one of the unit breakdown, you can utilize another one for its cooling or heating.
@gimmeaford9454
@gimmeaford9454 Ай бұрын
If the 2 to 1 unit fails you lose two rooms and if a regular ac unit breaks down no rooms will get heat or cool air. Either way, if the unit fails you lose something. If you base your life on what if it fails, you’re gonna have a lot of wasted money.
@dalepres1
@dalepres1 Ай бұрын
You're exactly right. And preparing for failure is the smart thing to do because everything fails. If someone wants to save the most money on their AC, as one reply to your post suggests, simply don't buy one. We are in the middle of restoring a 60 year old house that, when first built, had central heat and air. Apparently, sometime in the past, the central quit for some reason and, rather than having it repaired, the owner installed a bunch of window units, even cutting into the wall to frame one window unit. We've ripped all of that out but redoing the HVAC is still months away. What I am considering is a couple four zone systems with one zone off of each system into the large living area and split the other areas between the two, alternating between condensers as one would travel with the idea that, should one condenser fail, there would still be some cooling through most of the house and no single region in the house is dependent on just a single condenser. Some can choose to save money by not providing any redundancy, it's certainly their choice, but we live in a region that gets to 110 in the summer with very high humidity, resulting in heat indexes over 120 degrees. We're going for redundancy, whole-house generators, stand-by swamp coolers, and just about anything else I can think of to provide comfort and security for me and mine.
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
@@dalepres1 The window knits do what you say you want to do but they are quite noisy.
@productcheck
@productcheck Ай бұрын
great info, I like the video. I used to do duct cleaning and system coil cleaning, both sides. So, never ever make drywall dust with ac running. it will mess up the clean system coils! that's how we were called to clean. You can probably run it make it cold, then turn off and work or work at night. or leave the old one running while installing this. but if you are ready to clean them up, go ahead. Go ladder crane!
@jeffhopper3526
@jeffhopper3526 Ай бұрын
love the old original K and T (Knob and Tube) electrical fittings. see a lot of those in older houses.
@Studmn
@Studmn Ай бұрын
On tool lift setup, you didn't need to lower the voltage, the winch would just run a little faster. Been there done that.
@munozinni
@munozinni Ай бұрын
Hola 👋 señor Dave!!! What a great video for this weekend 😊Gracias for always sharing your knowledge and insights and best reviews on ac units and let me tell you that the only unit that has impressed me was the mini split unit powered by solar panels that will be the ac system that I will install in our garage but also improving the attic insulation and seal any possible gaps around the garage door to make sure the unit will work properly and also a unit for my mother house in mexico that will be a great unit to have so she won’t be worried about high electricity bills 😊…Gracias!!! Saludos!!!👋 😊👋You have a great day and weekend!!!😊
@munozinni
@munozinni Ай бұрын
@@eastpark4864 she does have electricity Is just that she doesn’t want to have a unit that increases her electricity bill that is what I meant I know y’all think that is a poor country but it’s has developed slowly but surely
@KingFox76
@KingFox76 5 күн бұрын
Ladder crane is an awesome idea, liked it a lot!
@fluffycritter
@fluffycritter Ай бұрын
Man, I wish these were an option when I got my minisplit system installed in 2021. These are so much cleaner than the wall-mounted units I have!
@mikeglasgow9618
@mikeglasgow9618 Ай бұрын
One of my accounts was the City of Ontario, Oregon. They have a multi-zone system for the Courthouse. Just like this. Only difference is that they had 36 zones. Controlled by Automated Logic DDC CONTROLS.
@jimphillips2004
@jimphillips2004 Ай бұрын
you made my weekend. my old 2 story house bleeds money every winter, thanks so much, there is hope.
@heroesandzeros7802
@heroesandzeros7802 Ай бұрын
I love the Ladder Crane idea. I use a Ladder Carriage that I built. This is like a platform or shelf that is lifted by a 12V winch. I have used it to lift some 24ft trusses and some solar panels so far.
@iangb3869
@iangb3869 Ай бұрын
I've installed these with two split units but not ceiling type split. It was inverter type so it used a lot less wattage. Thank you for the Vid.
@ezdeezytube
@ezdeezytube Ай бұрын
Your method of putting the compressor on the roof is awesome!!!
@wesdiezy
@wesdiezy Ай бұрын
That ladder crane is awesome.
@BigBlueMotors
@BigBlueMotors Ай бұрын
Now if only Mr. Cool would make a solar system for their mini split systems.
@RoHo702
@RoHo702 Ай бұрын
I have two of the Eg4 Solar ACs. In most cases, youd be better off using a dedicated solar system supplying a battery and inverter to an AC system. Even in the southwest, where most days are cloud free, the fluctuation in solar production causes the AC unit to ramp up and down, causing inconsistent cooling through the day. Powering the AC off the solar alone, with out a grid connection doenst cool the house on the hottest of 120 days.
@gg-gn3re
@gg-gn3re Ай бұрын
mr cool doesn't even have good nor that efficient of units. all they have is pre-charged + pre vacuumed units. EG4 has much more efficient units also has the solar availability and the pre-charging + pre vacuumed Hopefully more places do this it is silly to use different solar systems to charge specific devices, all your excess power is wasted then. just do a full 1 system
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
@@RoHo702 Most ancient ac units us a fan and condenser inside a closet in the hot and recycle the cooled and warmed air making them more efficient and cheaper than these units that cool the hot attic air and force it into the rooms. Then the moisture that is removed from the air must be dealt with and in South Florida this is a lot of water and the gunk that grows in the drip pan can be a problem and clog up the pipes and cause an overflow ruining the ceiling. I wonder how these units will handle the algae build up? And the bugs that crawl up the drain pipe and clog it.
@FrequencyOfThought
@FrequencyOfThought Ай бұрын
When I build my Shopdominium with living quarters this is definitely a consideration, I only like to cool the rooms I am in the most and if you get a big enough solar panel setup you can save big bucks with this kind of setup.
@Bowhunters6go8xz6x
@Bowhunters6go8xz6x Ай бұрын
I didn't know you could mount any of these in the ceiling, excellent information.
@car9167
@car9167 Ай бұрын
Same here. Planning to put one in my 2 car garage since I'm spending lot of time there and no wall is free for a traditional unit.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
Ceiling cassette it's new
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
It's the worst place as it will have to cool 130 F air versus the under 80 F air inside a house. Mount it on the wall and save electricity $$.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjr it's heavily insulated
@Bowhunters6go8xz6x
@Bowhunters6go8xz6x Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjr NOPE I don't think so - Mini splits have heavily insulated freon lines (not air ducts) from the unit outside (compressor) to the unit in the wall or ceiling. Traditional HVAC's ducts would be far worse up in the attic.
@rachaelb9164
@rachaelb9164 Ай бұрын
Use an oscillating tool to cut through drywall. It’s like butter. So much easier than a saw. I imagine these need to be mounted outside. It’s very convenient that you have a place to mount it that’s close to your crawl space. Do they heat ok in the winter since air rises?
@motekm3
@motekm3 Ай бұрын
Wow! Awesome video. I definitely prefers ceiling mounted look. You probably know this, but if you spend some time insulating the roof rafters with even one layer of foam board, I’m sure your house will be super comfortable!
@kw_boeing
@kw_boeing Ай бұрын
Great house updates Dave! I’m sure the separate zones are awesome!
@MacLimitRange
@MacLimitRange Ай бұрын
Pretty small room to have two 9k BTU units. Just one 12k BTU would be fine, and probably a 9k too. Ah, that all Midea stuff. Mr Cool doesn't produce AC. Still nice stuff. Midea make like 70% of the WW market stuff. And those have inverter motor, they don't turn on/off, they just modulate the amount of refrigerant you get, by change the speed of the motor.
@chuckmurray1825
@chuckmurray1825 Ай бұрын
I like this channel. Learning so much.
@crazyhank99
@crazyhank99 Ай бұрын
love the ladder crane!
@texling93
@texling93 Ай бұрын
Awesome install. I really like the multi head setup. My only concern is the filter type. I have a Midea U shape 12000 btu window unit and love the way it cools and it low power draw. It uses the same screen type filter and it allows dust buildup in the blower cage fins and ducts. The problem is cleaning these area's. On a KZbin video someone put a video up on how to take unit apart to clean the blower cage and ducts. I know your usually do follow ups, so I will hope to see later.
@jonsaircond8520
@jonsaircond8520 Ай бұрын
That is the problem with all these low static units
@speciesofspaces
@speciesofspaces Ай бұрын
On my wall units I do one cleaning each season to help keep any clogging of the gravity drain line and other grime from building up. Getting to the blower wheel is hard but I have found just using a self-cleaning and washing formula is better than trying to take it all apart each time. I simply turn the wheel and spray it lightly which helps the formula dissolve much of the dirt. BBJ Micro Coil Cleaner etc.
@fox156
@fox156 Ай бұрын
With no insulation over the heads in the attic these ceiling systems must be less efficient than wall mount overall.
@johngalt97
@johngalt97 Ай бұрын
Use Frost King foaming cleaner, as is used for automotive applications that are too difficult to 'take apart'? When you see dirty discharge, you know at least some benefit is gained.
@legoalert33
@legoalert33 Ай бұрын
you'll want to throw some fiberglass batt over top of the cassettes in the attic to insulate the conditioned to unconditioned spaces and improve the cassette efficiency
@ryanwatson263
@ryanwatson263 Ай бұрын
Would love some post build insulation tips. I have foam spray in my room, but my house is still quite leaky. What love to explore what all the options are out there. pre/post build.
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
Actics have several opening to the outside. Walk around your house and look up at the edge extending from the walls and you will find them.
@diegojines-us9pc
@diegojines-us9pc Ай бұрын
from a electrician, a knock out is really made for knocking in, work it from out side the box. and also the cheapest way to save money. ADD insultation, he might be in CODE. but thats the min not whats needed,
@michaelgleason4791
@michaelgleason4791 Ай бұрын
I was about to say the same thing.
@dalepres1
@dalepres1 Ай бұрын
Besides, drilling with the unit in will also be hard and leave filings that can lead to a short circuit and failure. Just knock the knockout out while the indoor unit is on the ground. So I am glad the channel shared the problem but I think he gives the wrong solution.
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
In this house the attic insulation is meant to keep the heat out of the house, not the attic. And the ac unit will use the hot attic air regardless of the insulation and have to cool it, unlike the units installed in a closet in the house which use the recirculated cool air in the home. The attic temperature can soar to 120 or hotter, ask any duct installer. So instead of cooling 80 degree air to 70 you'll have to constantly cool 120 degrees to 70. That's lowering the temperature by 50 degrees rather than 10 or less.
@diegojines-us9pc
@diegojines-us9pc Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjr look its a small insulated box. air in and out in seconds. and the difference on which side of the drywall its on dont matter. and the closet one you are talking about, it runs hundreds of feet of insulated air duct thru the attic, leading it to more exposure to the hot air.
@mathehack1
@mathehack1 Ай бұрын
Awesome content, this is really flexible for people with a house with no or super crappy duct work. I'm getting a new ducted system installed because i have some quality ductwork and that's a lot simpler than installing heads.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
Room by room saves thousands tho
@mathehack1
@mathehack1 Ай бұрын
@@AgentOffice with my house the payback on room by room vs ducted is non existent. Just the equipment, extra line-set, and plumbing the drainage would cost a fortune. I'd need about 6 heads for proper coverage. Plus I like the higher merv rating on the filtration I get with ducted instead of just a mesh screen. Go run a seer cost calculator on what you actually save vs a less a efficient unit. If you don't have Cali electric prices the payback isn't there. Now if there wasn't ductwork already in place I'd be installing ductless for sure.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
@@mathehack1 true I'm in cali and can keep one room freezing when outside is 110 almost free
@mathehack1
@mathehack1 Ай бұрын
@@AgentOffice oh yeah if you're in Cali it'll save thousands for sure. I live in NC our electric rate is .11 cents per kwh and will go down next year due to fuel prices. I use like 1600 kwh a month and with taxes and bs fees from Duke Energy my bill is $250 to $280 a month during the summer with highs in the 90s when we were on our old 12 seer R-12 unit. Getting a new Bryant 2 stage split ducted unit installed next week cause our old unit died. I'm hopeful it'll lower our bill like $30 or $40 bucks a month but that's about all I'm expecting.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
@@mathehack1 wow here if I use central maybe 1500 in summer
@sissymurphy9620
@sissymurphy9620 Ай бұрын
I may put this system in my guest house I built years ago . All I have out there now is a window air conditioner and electric baseboard heat . Thank you for the info
@99mrpc
@99mrpc Ай бұрын
Franklin Sensors has the best stud finders I've ever used, I have a M210.
@cafemolido5459
@cafemolido5459 Ай бұрын
Hey, that was way too easy to bring that to the roof💚
@GreyRockOne
@GreyRockOne Ай бұрын
Love this! What a game changer! Thank you!
@imnitguy
@imnitguy Ай бұрын
I thought this looked like a great solution until I saw the four strings responsible for raising and lowing the filter. I bet that is the first thing to break on these. Otherwise it looks like a cool system, and great video!
@phamlam3720
@phamlam3720 Ай бұрын
How often are you lowering your filter. I would like to see you break the steel braided cable.
@masalachaimasta
@masalachaimasta 24 күн бұрын
Sawzalls and jigsaws can be fun, but I find the oscillating multi tool (I have a Makita XMT03Z) works surprisingly fast and precisely on drywall cutout jobs like you did on the ceiling. Thank me later and you're welcome.
@JustinVManes
@JustinVManes Ай бұрын
Sick ladder winch!
@Zorlig
@Zorlig Ай бұрын
When I build I'll run 10ft ceilings in the bedroom and 8-9ft in the hallway, then route the AC lines above the hallway inside the air barier + air handler over the doors.
@rteune2416
@rteune2416 Ай бұрын
Very cool install, love these ceiling units as they are not so noticeable as on on the wall. I am not sure but in Ontario we use vapor barriers to prevent air going from cold to hot areas and create condensate. This must not be a problem in your area as I see no kind of vapor barrier used in your install.
@goldblueberries326
@goldblueberries326 Ай бұрын
The downside to the minisplit systems is the lack of a quality filter system. The coil will get very dirty.
@af.7992
@af.7992 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, all of the air conditioner manufacturers seem to design most, if not all of their window units and these mini-split systems too, in the same way. With cheap plastic and Styrofoam that readily grows mold and mildew, they're not maintenance or serviceable - friendly, and they all use flimsy, pathetic filters that don't filter the air anywhere near enough to protect the unit from getting excessively dirty and clogged up with mildew, dirt and mold, that's nearly impossible to get clean again, at that point! It's frustrating to spend hard earned money on something and then be forced to have to replace it, in just a few years, because you can't keep it clean enough to continue operating normally, nor efficiently, or just can't clean it well enough, at all, in general. Everything nowadays, seems to be designed as disposable, but with the price of something that should last for decades! So you’re forced to spend more money, sooner than ever before! It's despicable, as far as I'm concerned.
@Only60GamesPlayed
@Only60GamesPlayed 26 күн бұрын
THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR INSIGHT😊
@sgtdrinkho
@sgtdrinkho 16 күн бұрын
Bravo!!!!!! Bravo on the ladder Crane!!!!!
@BobJohnson-h3k
@BobJohnson-h3k Ай бұрын
We installed a mini split system with one outside compressor running 4 interior room HVAC wall units. I'm NOT saying these aren't perfect for some situations, but please beware of a couple of considerations. 1. Our mini split cools and heats the air perfectly, except there is no air exchange. Unlike with a conventional system, if you are dealing with something or someone that smells - you can heat or cool the smell, but it's not quickly removed as with a traditional HVAC system. Lastly, our system lasted about 6 months past the warranty. When the installer came back to service he was embarrassed to say that the parts were so tiny in the outside compressor, we would have to replace the unit as repair would have been more expensive than it was worth. Separate conversations with friendsnwho have similar systems exposed the same problem. As of this point in time, we simply aren't running the system at all, and will likely go back and install a traditional duct system.
@phamlam3720
@phamlam3720 Ай бұрын
A standard HVAC unit would just spread the smell out throughout the house. A ERV would be the tool to bring in fresh air, not your furnace or heat pump.
@kadmow
@kadmow Ай бұрын
@@phamlam3720 - yes ppl may not realise that ventilation with an ERV - can be done separate to the AC... Air changes with energy retention beats old school..
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
Could you use the eating old compressor with some modifications? The external unit he installed outside is just the same concept of the standard one outside a house. Don't know what the dynamics would be, of course, but you could find out.
@OddJobFix
@OddJobFix Ай бұрын
That attic was so big and unobstructed I would have had no problem running ducts but these hew units seem to be getting better and better.
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
They are self contained condensers and so don't need ducts which means no dust, bugs or bad smells. I enjoyed them in the hospital since I could clean the plastic screens that filter the air.
@OddJobFix
@OddJobFix Ай бұрын
@@jackrodgersjr No shit. Thanks for the lesson.
@axmajpayne
@axmajpayne Ай бұрын
New drywall placed straight over the old popcorn ceiling. A flipper has definitely had their hands on that house.
@icandreamstream
@icandreamstream Ай бұрын
Probably tested positive for asbestos so they just covered it up.
@SilvaDreams
@SilvaDreams Ай бұрын
Oh yeah, wonder what other fun half assed "repairs" and "upgrades" he'll find over the next decade of owning that house.
@ajcarrico1
@ajcarrico1 Ай бұрын
If done correctly, what is the issue with that? Especially if asbestos is suspected.
@robertball3578
@robertball3578 Ай бұрын
It saves the cost of asbestos abatement.
@earleford8889
@earleford8889 Ай бұрын
@@robertball3578 What asbestos are you talking about? Could easily be tested but I doubt it was asbestos. Many homeowners get taken for thousands in unnecessary “remediation”. Just because it may look like something that was once made with asbestos does not mean it is asbestos. If it was asbestos simply covering it with drywall would not make it safer.
@scottkolaya2110
@scottkolaya2110 Ай бұрын
12:23 be careful with he magic eraser on mate or flat finishes. It will make the surface slightly shinier. You won't see it around the edge of the head unit, but if it's used in the middle of the ceiling or wall and the light is right, it doesn't look that great and you've got no way to make it flat again except for repainting.
@billwoods6759
@billwoods6759 Ай бұрын
I can't change a light bulb, 😂 so I love watching you work. 👍
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 Ай бұрын
I'm really considering this my main AC 4 ton goodman rooftop unit went out in Aug 2022 I'm in Phoenix wife wanted it fixed by next day. HVAC company took advantage got me for $8900 to replace it with same unit suppose to be 14 seer the old one was R22. This one my electric bill is at least $100 more a month had it checked it's pulling 20 amps a leg. What I think is the R22 seemed to reduce current more when it was cooler like at night, or later in year like now were in the low 100's. I put in a 12k Pioneer inverter mini-split in my garage can't believe how cool it keeps that garage I set it to 79F my home AC is set to 74F go in the garage it feels cooler. I run it on ECO mode it's a 240V model pulling 1.4 amps. I could wall mount it to the side of the roof like yours I have a flat roof and a pitched roof in the middle. My roof is foam so have to mount it on the side of the siding.
@james6275
@james6275 Ай бұрын
Always gonna me a bit mess, nice video!
@dchall8
@dchall8 Ай бұрын
At our previous house I had a Carrier mini split installed for our bedroom and bathroom. Each head unit had an aftermarket condensate pump. I don't know why they did that, but we had to clean the condensation tank about every 3 months due to mold building up inside and inside the drain pipe. Furthermore, the pump motor only lasted a year, so we had to keep replacing the pumps. Our experience was not a good one.
@zigavucic754
@zigavucic754 29 күн бұрын
in europe we were installing this over 25 years ago
@kennixox262
@kennixox262 Ай бұрын
I like it but prefer the attic cassettes with short run ducting. We do have one Mitsubishi ceiling cassette in a home gym. The rest of the house, 8 zones are vented out through slot defusers. These type systems however, should become the norm and to just say to conventional ducted systems. No phone apps in my house, just a Mitsubishi thermostat in each zone.
@benm3574
@benm3574 Ай бұрын
Two strips from a plastic pallet would be a great set of shims for the base
@kw_boeing
@kw_boeing Ай бұрын
Also I’d definitely blow in more cellulose insulation. My parents did that and our house is almost too warm in the winter now. 😂
@edgardelgado9937
@edgardelgado9937 Ай бұрын
Can’t wait 2/3 years for the DIY “replacing our mini split” videos
@abrahamgarcia2171
@abrahamgarcia2171 Ай бұрын
im mexican, here minisplits are the most common thing to have, even on big houses of rich people, you can see mini splits with more than 10 years still running pretty well. The only reason a lot of people started to changing their old mini splits was because inverter technology came in and bring a lot of benefits with it. So i don't know, maybe try to investigate a little bit 🤷‍♂
@davidwright4211
@davidwright4211 Ай бұрын
They can last 20 years no problem. Mine are getting that old.
@du5tyl
@du5tyl Ай бұрын
I believe your p-trap is upside down.....
@garfieldisgod
@garfieldisgod Ай бұрын
Wish you guys would show and install in a large home>>>>>I would like to see ceiling cassettes installed in a 4 bedroom house with 3 baths. How about adding 1 or 2 cassettes to a garage to heat and cool it also.
@superspeeder
@superspeeder Ай бұрын
You should be boxing those in, air sealing and insulating them, and topping off your attic insulation so you have more than R10 up there. This is a pretty shoddy install.
@Average_Middle_Aged_American
@Average_Middle_Aged_American Ай бұрын
LOL
@maxbiker99
@maxbiker99 Ай бұрын
You may not want to do that actually
@superspeeder
@superspeeder Ай бұрын
@@maxbiker99 why?
@robertgregory2618
@robertgregory2618 Ай бұрын
@@superspeeder He foamed around them.
@jessemurphy8871
@jessemurphy8871 Ай бұрын
Yeah I was thinking that. Not sure what the climate is where this was installed, but there was nothing in the video about vapour barrier tie ins
@andrewsliwa669
@andrewsliwa669 Ай бұрын
you NEED to secure the bottom of that ladder!
@rickwatson1000
@rickwatson1000 19 күн бұрын
Great video Thank you
@tizben
@tizben Ай бұрын
Can you do a guide for that ladder lifter?
@guapo1270
@guapo1270 Ай бұрын
Very nice work!
@jkmarshall3553
@jkmarshall3553 Ай бұрын
That ladder-lift is awesome! Totally make that a one man job. Ahhhh... they drywalled over the popcorn... how funny! Still looks a whole lot better than popcorn! 2 questions: Is 3 tons too large for your home, or are the specs different b/c it's a mini-split AND how far from the exterior wall does your condenser need to be to provide decent airflow? Thanks for the great video!!
@matthunter1424
@matthunter1424 Ай бұрын
Isn't that P trap installed by your helper upside down??
@jcjpjvcd
@jcjpjvcd Ай бұрын
I notice that too, but they could say they were joking
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
They would notice that the first overflow.
@edwardpaulsen1074
@edwardpaulsen1074 Ай бұрын
Something to note about "knockout" tabs is that they were never meant to be directly struck with a hammer... you get a screwdriver at the corner opposite the thin 'join' line and tap it until you have enough room to use the screwdriver as a wedge to widen the gap. Then use Channel locks or needle nose pliers to grab the tab and twist and/ or wiggle the tab loose... swinging hammers around electrical equipment is bad juju in most circumstances, even without power connected. Also be extra cautious that you meticulously clean up the chips from that step drill and don't let them get into anything or you will have arcs and sparks and a dead unit to replace. I am also curious to know why those are 3 Phase breakers in a house (which is a rarity in most residential units) that is generally wired single phase unless you specifically have 3 phase wiring available...either that or it is being fed by the condenser unit? I may be mistaken, but I would really like to see how they did the wiring distribution for those. Other than that, a pretty decent job overall and I really like the ladder hoist!
@SandTiger42
@SandTiger42 Ай бұрын
This is pretty much what you see inside Japanese commercial buildings. I believe, I could be wrong. Japanese residential houses have single units or splits that look like single units. No central heating or cooling. I think they are more efficient than US HVAC, but most Japanese homes have very inadequate insulation and they end cycling a lot more than they should.
@larrycater-tx613
@larrycater-tx613 Ай бұрын
This looks like it would be perfect for a SIPS built house.
@echoeversky
@echoeversky Ай бұрын
That tool is a million dollar idea.
@jonkirkwood469
@jonkirkwood469 Ай бұрын
The ladder crane was worth pulling over for.
@howtodoitdude1662
@howtodoitdude1662 Ай бұрын
The drawback of these ceiling mount units is drainage and accessibility.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
They're amazing tho
@robertball3578
@robertball3578 Ай бұрын
The unit is now in the hot attic, it's more energy efficient to avoid the attic.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice Ай бұрын
@@robertball3578 it's heavily insulated inside
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
And the 130 F attic heat they are constantly having to cool instead of the 80 F inside the house.
@jackrodgersjr
@jackrodgersjr Ай бұрын
@@AgentOffice The insulation is for the ceiling of the home below, it has nothing to do with the air in the attic which these ceiling mounted units will have to cool. Install them on the wall for more efficiency as they will the use the cooler air instead of the hot attic air
@SoulSingingFella
@SoulSingingFella Ай бұрын
Are these rated for direct contact with insulation on the attic side? Seems like you would want to cover it to minimize heat leakage.
@syedullah613
@syedullah613 Ай бұрын
It’s an installers dream, but customers nightmare. More components to go bad, I went on a call customers roofing had a leak and the 2 units where full of water damage. Parts were on back order. Bathrooms had no ac was their biggest complaint.
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood Ай бұрын
Oh yes! Bathroom A/C is a must for all those hours spent in there.
@sharonp4446
@sharonp4446 Ай бұрын
My bathroom must have a AC I’d never get dried off without it and a small fan blowing on me
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood Ай бұрын
@@sharonp4446 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@uhjyuff2095
@uhjyuff2095 Ай бұрын
Flex style wire cable can be unsecured with a maximum length of 6 feet. The trick is to run flex cable type wire and secure it according to NEC code to within 6 feet of the unit and install a j-box. Then come out of the j-box with your unsecured flex whips.
@kicapification
@kicapification 6 сағат бұрын
what are those loose grey stuff in the attic? are they dust? sand? insulating material? shouldn't they clean those?
@gentlemanbirdlake
@gentlemanbirdlake Ай бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for this. The only thing I would change is to have hardwire ethernet and not require wifi. As install requires running the supply/return lines to the cartridges anyway really no problem to run cat 5 or 6 along with them. wifi is undesired security risk / more complicated that it is worth for permanent install, imo.
@tonyru303
@tonyru303 Ай бұрын
Is it a good idea to mount that unit on the roof next to the plumbing vent? Could there be a problem with sewer gases.
@markfrancis5751
@markfrancis5751 Ай бұрын
What was you total cost of the equipment and an estimate of labor costs?
@heroesandzeros7802
@heroesandzeros7802 Ай бұрын
You may want to change your tywraps to the stainless steel type. They will last longer.
@YIKES615
@YIKES615 Ай бұрын
Can these mini-splits be used as the primary heating for your home? Where do you live? Costs? Thanks Tim
@rayraap3905
@rayraap3905 Ай бұрын
Why not just replace your old air conditioner with a High efficiency inverter heat pump you’ve got ductwork? Heat in the ceiling, always leaves the floor feeling cold.
@revog7
@revog7 Ай бұрын
soo my question is does the cassettes have a built in water pump to defy the gravity of those ptraps. cause ive never seen water travel up a like 10 inch without assistance
@kianooshehtiatkar
@kianooshehtiatkar Ай бұрын
Hey there may have been a reason they put drywall over the popcorn ceiling. Did you test it for asbestos? I know it’s painful…
@Natureboy1607
@Natureboy1607 Ай бұрын
I love the comedy !😅
@tomtxtx9617
@tomtxtx9617 Ай бұрын
I hope that popcorn didn't have asbestos. Common method of dealing with asbestos-laden popcorn ceiling is to just add a layer of drywall...
@earleford8889
@earleford8889 Ай бұрын
It may be a common way to deal with asbestos but it really does little to solve the problem. A local Ag extension can easily test the material. Many materials suspected to be asbestos are not. After its ban, manufactures continued to make the same style of flooring, siding, and ceiling panels as well as texture materials with alternative materials. This catered to existing marketing styles. Many homeowners have been taken by unscrupulous contractors for expensive remediation that was not needed. If it was asbestos drywall will not keep you safe. Baring full encapsulation, removal with air quality monitoring is the better solution.
@tomtxtx9617
@tomtxtx9617 Ай бұрын
@@earleford8889 Oh, I'm well aware of asbestos testing. Generally the cheaper PLM method will overstate the amount of asbestos. I set up a policy that we would screen with PLM, then if it's 5% or lower, we would verify with the point count method, which is far more accurate.
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