The Modern Screamo Paradox, Explained (easy to understand)

The Modern Screamo Paradox, Explained
0:00 - 0:39 intro
0:40 - 5:30 early day
5:30 - 6:10 hi
6:11 - 11:13 The paradox basic
11:13 - 14:27 The 4 Pillars of Modern Skramz
14:28 - 15:49 Theory Explained!
15:50 - 18:27 Conclusion/outro/plugs
Knumears photo in into by Cade Meyers
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[@danframpt0n]

this is by far the most effort i've ever put into a video. hope you enjoy it :)

[@trashcanjam]

It’s amazing bro

[@niaboctruk138]

Great video essay. I support this.

[@jordanzumwalt2983]

🙏🙏

[@the_real_tay_loud2072]

Dan you been crushing shit and we here for it! Salute to you my favorite Canadian other than Dra... Nah you my only favorite Canadian😂

[@jslaughterofthesoul4939]

Nailed it, youngblood

[@seanstoopid4136]

Hotstuff productions has been a hero documenting the scene

[@alexannae]

Yesssss those videos smooth out my brain sooooo much who needs hate5six

[@Commandercolt44]

I love Graeme he’s the homie

[@piercestormmusic7708]

Real I’ve been watching their videos all the time

[@DangoTangoBigPenis]

truly

[@reach_for_heaven]

real.

[@waknart3559]

not mentioning saetia or orchid the entire video is absolutely bonkers

[@chrisold97]

In/humanity , Antioch arrow, Union of Uranus ….

[@allegedartistlessons]

Or Frail Body.

[@diontes1480]

​@@allegedartistlessonsit's weird to see FBs name so often, those are the actual homies

[@Christianmspence]

@@diontes1480💪

[@Iusedtobescene]

he posts pics and vids with them

[@moonlitaqua1366]

Millennial here. im so happy this younger generation is bringing back this genre in the local music scene here in SoCal. Younger me longed for a time to experience shit like this. Especially seeing these young females fronted screamo bands makes me wanna start my own band haha it’s truly inspiring.

[@moegerms]

Yeah it’s very cool to see. I’m 28 now and I can’t really be in a crowd with 17 year olds lol I would have loved to have been in THIS scene when I was a teen :(

[@creativenothing666]

@@moegerms The local shows I have been to has adults and teens. Some of musicians are older than the rest of their band. - They don't give a shit. haha

[@vpn333]

I feel so happy by seeying this. Every time i see people talking negativity about the new generation i fell bad, like, i feel unable. I see that in the past, the peoples was just about to live their lives and support bands, and today, when people see some guys with like, emo hair, punk hair, punk clothes, corpse paint, grunge clothes or trying to be somebody useful, the only thing they make is talk bad shit about it. I think that today, the peoples just need to support themselves. Every day i woke up and see people saying in the internet like "dont judge another people when they just trying to be herself" but the same people that say this, make the same thing, its just hard to explain. Here in Brazil, me and my friend are the only guys with an different hair on my class yn, so people talk every time about my hair, but like, they make sarcasm of my hair, saying to me like "bro, cut your hair" or "what the fuck is this hair bro", or they just make sarcasm on me because i like rock music yn, its hard to explain.

[@WILD__THINGS]

How old you is?

[@RMPalm2000]

There was a cool screamo thing in the 2010s too with bands like Gillian Carter, Pianos Become the Teeth and Ampere.

[@jarvisangle85]

Gillian Carter! 👍🏻

[@mcviggyfilet]

as someone who was active on CMHWAK, your video basically skipped over 20 years of music. screamo continued through the 00s and 10s... loma prieta, suis la lune, funeral diner, matsuri, takaru, amanda woodward, hot cross, bright calm blue...

[@xEMOANHATARON]

Loma. Prieta. My favorite Punx band.

[@zax_.138]

funeral diner is so fire, early 2000s skramz rules

[@SoilentGr33n]

Jesus christ I haven't read the words "Suis la Lune" in a VERY long time.

[@foreverlikethestarss]

Suis La lune is something special man

[@YLBYLB]

Hard agree. I remember when "the wave" bands were active (Touche Amore, PBTT, La Dispute, Title Fight Etc.) and that sparked a sort of revival in the late 00's-mid 10's. Fact of the matter is that screamo/skramz has always existed to some degree or another but it's ebbed and flowed and will probably continue that trajectory. To give a specific example I think it's funny that the video mentions a band from Denton Texas, but ignored the history that just that specific scene has with the bands Two Knights (early stuff is twinkly later stuff is closer to skramz) Fleshborn, and Father Figure (all 3 bands being pretty incestuous in terms of band members). Overall this one really missed the mark and I say that as someone who was pretty involved in the Midwest scene during the '10's.

[@TheosophicalMusings]

I remember this Screamo lady on MySpace, Mary Magdalene blocking me back in like 2006 over something dumb.

[@TheosophicalMusings]

Only vague memories I have had with screamo lol

[@parasitesundinism]

Why did you post this

[@TheosophicalMusings]

@@parasitesundinism Why are you asking why I do anything?

[@the_real_tay_loud2072]

@@TheosophicalMusingsit’s kind of a lame story but it doesn’t mean we don’t like you. We respect what you pushin and we’ve all been there but at least make some shit up to make it a little more exciting. Like maybe the following day you go outside to find the 2006 screamo lady outside your place with a bat and after talking it out y’all are happily married with a brood of young emolings...

[@TheosophicalMusings]

@the_real_tay_loud2072 The last time I made up stuff about a wannabe musican I got a cease and desist with a restraining order.

[@_mattmoo]

hey thanks for using some of my clips and crediting! so sick to see on a channel i watch regularly. i’m also glad people are taking notice of and appreciating us kids bringing back the OG screamo scene and all the admirable stuff that comes with it, while also making it our own unique thing :)

[@danframpt0n]

matti! my pleasure. thanks for chiming in! so sick to know u been watching the channel :)

[@trashcanjam]

This is super special and makes me wanna go to a show real bad

[@andrewdeen1]

I haven't even thought about pg99 since 2002. you just unlocked a memory.

[@trashcanjam]

Dude these edits are never friggen level! Nice job 👍🏼

[@sp1ralg1rl]

i pull up at subway & ask for the skramz sandwich

[@krispykreme]

When my band went on tour last month I definitely spoke with a bunch of young people who basically echoed this sentiment. Good video!

[@MrLouis-of3yl]

Hotstuff Productions the 🐐no 🧢

[@danframpt0n]

frfr

[@vickievale05]

catalyst is genuinely the best band to come out in my lifetime😓

[@Cruzouy]

They tough as hell

[@dethwtch]

Fkn love catalyst

[@AngelRuiz-xq2ie]

Was at their first show and was able to see them consistently for about a year before they really blew up. Moving to Rhode Island had a lot of peaks

[@trashcanjam]

Amazing you’re shouting out all the bands too! Your lives have been amazing for new music exposure and bands to check out or to hit a hard pass on! Haha I think only one band was skipped when I was on your live a few days ago but yeah. Excellent stuff

[@user-hq7zy5sf2t]

the "have you heard about slipknot?!" was painfully relatable😭😭

[@Rightchickenwing]

And your casually leaning on the mic stand, it's rather humourous, I like it, endearing 😊

[@TakeBreakKazu]

Love this video! I'm glad someone made a video covering this scene. Subscribed! :D

[@RobH1093]

Oh damn, VS Self were mentioned? I discovered them a few years ago as a label that did a release of an EP I recorded in 2020 also released their debut on tape in the UK. Also got loads of great Skramz stuff coming out of the UK currently. I recommend Chalk Hands, As Living Arrows, Cassus, incaseyouleave, Cady, and Closed Hands to name a handful of them.

[@girlscoutxoxo]

they're probably legit the current biggest screamo "revival" band rn

[@RobH1093]

@@girlscoutxoxo Oh nice one, I’m admittedly not as clued up with regards to the underground Skramz scene across the pond with the exception of stuff like Frail Body and State Faults but it’s great they’re doing well! Their album was in my top 5 of 2020 releases.

[@LandenYniesta-dy9wl]

its crazy how screamo just keeps getting bigger but im glad it is. its a very innovative genre. many bands keep trying new stuff and it always sounds good. the shows are so much fun and crowds are always hype. thanks dan for covering my fave genre 🙏

[@trashcanjam]

It’s such a fun chat! Love the world tour

[@trashcanjam]

It’s great that it’s being reignited! Heck yeah to a new lease on life

[@AaronTerrapin1]

great job on putting this together!

[@Mietek412]

i love that you include a yt video title and uploader info whenever you use somebody's video footage!!! great stuff man

[@Patrick-id9uq]

To me, Thursday will always be a memorable part of earlier emo/screamo adjacent stuff. Not sure if they fit in the context of most skramz, but still a classic. Love that band. Shoutout to Jersey DIY.

[@danframpt0n]

facts

[@bbqjuan]

Thursday is not early screamo bruv

[@CountryMouseCityCrimes]

Geoff was def an OG dood. His basement had some classic shows. Thursday however......was pretty late to this game, quite polished, and not really thst much a part of it.

[@Patrick-id9uq]

@@bbqjuan i mean early relative to like, literally right now. maybe “earlier” would have been more accurate. either way, a really great band nonetheless.

[@_0v.r]

Wouldn't even call it screamo tbh, let alone early

[@TheStepsTx]

we opened for part hats a few times nd they were so sick!! It's awesome to see the kids of OG skramz enthusiasts honing a forgotten genre. I play in a band called Medusa Complex (emo/skramz) I grew up on this type of music. So seeing very young people playing music that influenced my sound to begin with is uncanny. I love seeing it. Glad that skramz finally got the recognition and redemption it deserved.

[@CinFireball]

This edit is amazing! Color grading on point, the ??? are my fave, and the script is immaculate!! End Gang!!

[@trashcanjam]

2:52 rolls so beautifully lol

[@jeffrobe405]

Thanks for putting me onto hotstuff productions! I already am an avid watcher of hate5six, 197 media, and Leo Sypniewski so always good to add another live show channel!

[@olarrist4273]

Whenever I listen to black metal at work all the zoomers think I’m listening to screamo.

[@danframpt0n]

ah the classic conundrum

[@girlscoutxoxo]

tbh they do sound similar in the modern era, ESPECIALLY WITH DSBM

[@girlscoutxoxo]

also TN gang hehe

[@jslaughterofthesoul4939]

Screamo with corpsepaint.

[@spiker1923]

@@girlscoutxoxohiii maisy

[@axldecay3056]

Damn this video is your top man! Awesome job 🍷

[@babazoid123]

I thought Skramz was dead. This is really crazy. Listened to a few of these bands, knumears in particular is special. Thanks for highlighting this. While I feel very old listening to 18 year olds, I'm stoked

[@petesematary]

Skramz 4 lyf bro, I'll never turn my back on skramz

[@saikeo-qv8fj]

Remember being at the boxing ring show the pit was insane

[@danframpt0n]

u were there? 😍

[@dillonschneider9064]

Othiel is KILLING right now

[@Ripped1111]

The othiels are so underrated fr

[@trashcanjam]

Bahahah “of a certain vintage”. Great line 👌🏼👌🏼

[@ElGuayo]

A bit mean to use homie's picture in a comical way tho, as an aging screamo frontman this hurts deeply lol

[@Commandercolt44]

I love Catalyst they’re my boys

[@j4kez]

Never expected this lmaoooo hell yeah

[@Rightchickenwing]

And yes there is a load of awesome editing, zooming in and out etc 😊👍👊😀

[@danframpt0n]

hell ya, that's so kind

[@JTown66]

Love it great work!

[@davidstern6397]

I saw Catalyst and Sevenbasicplots (also shown in the video) open for Camping In Alaska in Providence and stood right next to Hotstuff Productions! I had no idea who any one was aside from the main act. But the room was electric, I knew I was witnessing something special.

[@mrhappy7654]

Top tier pancakes right here, my dude 💖

[@onepathforme]

As an elder skrampa and guitarist of old/current bands, it's incredibly strange (but also pretty awesome) to see kids less than half my age into this music. The PARADOX is real! Stoked.

[@BrendaGonzalez-th5bm]

This may be your best video yet 🥞

[@niaboctruk138]

Your video is doing great. Thanks for sharing.

[@danframpt0n]

your support means so much thank u!

[@trashcanjam]

Loved the ending! END GANG !

[@crssedhearts8842]

Your best video to date 🤘

[@Sam-ro1st]

So beautiful that this is happening

[@Rightchickenwing]

I like the lighting in yout room/studio 😊

[@danframpt0n]

thank you :)

[@trashcanjam]

Autobiographic autopsy… where do you come up with this stuff! Amazing. Haha love it so much

[@danframpt0n]

Suuuuuuuch a good title

[@parrata]

This video is so cool that it even overrides the warped tour post-hxc/mallcore slander. So much stuff to check out.

[@KarinaCappucci]

You're awesome Dan 🤘🏻

[@danframpt0n]

THANK UUUU AHHH SO KIND 😭😭😭

[@j0j0kay]

I loved this video! You're doing great lately man. Love it.

[@the_BattleGoose]

Im so glad this video popped up in my recommended. I was on tour with my Prog Metal band (The Judge The Juror if youre looking for something technical, psychedelic and surely to piss off death metal and prog fans alike) and on one of our dates, we played with this band called "Astrology Girl" which was certainly a little more on the emo side of it, but 100 percent had the old screamo feel and they filled me with so much nostalgia, Im stoked to hear that there is a resurgence. Id highly recommend AG btw.

[@JamesMoody-zp3fu]

Great Video!

[@jaxguy1930]

Great video! Good job!

[@mydudechris]

No State Faults mention? Literally 0 skips band. So good.

[@riiseingirl]

idk anything about skramz/screamo (sorry, unsure of what to call it lol) but this was in my recommended and i enjoy ur passion for this music :D i will definitely be checking out the bands u recommended!!

[@ghoulinthegraveyard399]

The Accused, Martha Splatterheads maddest stories ever told great album does that count? I still love listening to that album.🤩

[@audiocoven]

Valeska Suratt - Nameless EP, you're welcome :)

[@valeskasurattfan]

I second this I’m from mn seen them a few times they’re insane

[@MATHMASTAAAA]

my buddys band just played a show with catalyst

[@pieceandquiet]

beautiful video

[@raymondshirley4797]

So glad skramz are getting more attention on social media

[@oopirates96]

Envy, Heaven in her arms, Nervous light of sunday, Killie, Sans visage, Endzweck are good Japanese Skramz bands that i recommend.

[@jimmihendix13]

Killie goes hard

[@gagechase1413]

seeing catalyst in a disgustingly hot, tiny thrift store changed my life

[@danframpt0n]

That sounds like a religious experience

[@gagechase1413]

@@danframpt0n it changed something in me

[@mattyice210]

Since I found catalyst in 2021 they’ve been my favorite band. Seen them once and need to see them a lot more.

[@hashdrowned7698]

Spotting myself in the background of the solace boxing ring show （＾∇＾）

[@mincermuncher]

thank you hotstuff

[@_c3a3m_88]

Anyone know who the songs played throughout the video are

[@danframpt0n]

They are all credited as they play and in credits at the end

[@thezachlambert]

I feel like lot of sub-genres of the umbrella category known as Vaporwave also have this "paradox". Skramz hits different though since it's guitar/rock instrumentation based music when there has been such a heavy shift to purely electronic instrumentation over the past couple of decades. Sano Ex Machina, Fiesta Bizarra, Cassus, Steeples, Choirs, are a few newer bands that have emerged in the past 15 years that I thought did a cool thing with Skramz torch. Great will be the day when a Zoomer Skramz band can put out an album as hard and well rounded as Lineage Situation by Neil Perry.

[@jordanzumwalt2983]

All my homies tangentially tied with end gang ✊

[@danframpt0n]

EG4L

[@deadwhip1077]

I didn't know onewaymirror and knumears were popping like that. Seen both of them live as openers for vsself and seeyouspacecowboy. They're good

[@lesliegonzalez2030]

What’s your opinion over the hardcore and grindcore Bay Area scene like Sunami, Out of Pocket and Aseptic?

[@0svvan0]

i somehow missed a lot of this stuff in the haze of all the old bands reuniting.

[@DanPantzig]

This man is putting in WORK! Cross my SCROTUM with a knife, GOTEM! It truly is pretty insane that hearing some of these bands can take me back to a show from 20+ years ago, a band's gotta really rule hard to do that.

[@rileerilee]

i apologize for my last comment on the news vid just found the chanel this is fire

[@danframpt0n]

no worries at all. happy you're enjoying the content. stoked u hopped on. thank u 🙏

[@digital.hamaki]

Not me finding the genre in 2020, seeing myself in this live set footage, and wearing my Habak hat that I wear near daily at work 😅

[@lin-jn3kf]

Vs self is from my hometown apple valley, I went to a show with maximum 15 ppl and all of the Widowdusk boys were there too I’ll never forget that show bruh

[@trashcanjam]

Let’s gooooooo

[@rickyblaze-starwarsbattlef4413]

Catalyst is getting me into screamo bro I used to hate screamo too

[@jslaughterofthesoul4939]

Am I hearing Infest style vocals at the end of the Catalyst set?

[@JimBTannenbaum]

Yes. Check out the vocalists other band F.A.T.E

[@SoilentGr33n]

2:38 actually yes I have. There is a band called I Don't Want To Know Why The Caged Bird Sings. Glad I could clear that up for you.

[@terrenbrown4941]

W vid 🙌

[@ericraven138]

Couldn’t agree more

[@EthanWane]

And once again, Refused and The Shape of Punk to Come continues to predict the future

[@maxonmendel5757]

Sadness just had their first show at the beat kitchen in Chicago! super underrated artist and a great show. is skramz and black metal totaly different?

[@Zero-zj8qp]

bro this is for real i saw Orchid's reunion show with I Have No Mouth and Thou SCRAMZ IS BACK

[@kilouak]

super interesting to hear a perspective from someone who isnt in the generation you’re talking about in this video, thanks for taking the time to make it. super funny to think about what impression this video would give to someone who’s never been to a show before hahaha

[@C.good2damax]

Dude I great video.I noticed a lot of local bands in Texas are growing within the Skramz community. 💀

[@falsegawd9050]

Holy shit idubbz knows his stuff

[@zacharyg7302]

Flooding mentioned???

[@abanana2561]

as a zoomie who was a senior when the quarantines began, who played in a band that got pretty popular in the scene (played with vs. self during their first gig), and who often frequents these shows around LA cuz I got friends who love going, it doesnt take alot of science to understand how the fresh minds of youth conform to whatever is trending. Playground mentality, they want to be seen having fun and uphold something as having a good time, so they ride along with whatever is happening. HxC shit is an easy pill to swallow for the youth, it "just sounds cool and rebellious and full of raw energy" I Dont really see this much as a strange phenomenon. When the zoomies finally discover that imagination in music is really what began "cool" Ie. non conformism, individualism, and creative freedom, etc. thats when history will again pay attention to "rock music" or "popular music" or a future branch for new music. For now, we plant the seeds of influence.

[@FellDestroyedMusic]

fuckin makes sense

[@ThatBoyishaunted]

Ngl it's kind of wild how much you talk about California bands (almost exclusively?) and then talk about the torch being dropped like the scene wasn't still happened for years inbetween. Like I appreciate you giving love to the newer bands and the legends of our scene, but you really didn't seem to do much research outside of what's popular now for bands from the early 2000s and what's popular now. There were so many incredible bands after that and so many thriving scenes and spaces that you had the opportunity to touch on. There's some genuinely sick stuff I think you'd like if you went back and read up on it!

[@abcxyz-pd8ux]

yeah, flowers taped to pens, ostraca, state faults, loma prieta (mentioned), etc were all bands that kept it going

[@CinFireball]

If you liked this killer video, check Dan Frampt0n out LIVE most every night 10/10:30pm EST for the best chat on YT!

[@declanharnish8944]

Attack Attack! is good though. Great even.

[@pongugy9828]

i feel like theres only rules like that in hardcore bc theres mad oldheads. skramz was actually so small back in the day its wayy bigger now

[@puddleglum666]

there was a skramz resurgence in the 2010s too

[@ChristianGarcia-gy5yc]

I’d like to add some more to the topic and share about the 2010s screamo scene in the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas. Bands like Loma Prieta, Beau Navire, Calculator, and honestly probably one of the most important sleeper skramz bands LEER. Most of these bands came from the Bay Area and would constantly have shows in places like Pomona and La Puente at places like VLHS and BRIDGETOWN DIY and Alladin Jr (still having skramz shows under a different name) which is where a lot of the bands of skramz bands are coming out now. 2014 to 2017 was an incredible time for skramz and definitely the precursor to everything coming out of SoCal now. Sadly LEER and calculator have broken up but it’s good to see Loma still going at it and Sean being in Jeromes Dream now. California has always had a strong but small skramz music scene even before the 2010s but honestly I’m not too familiar with that time lol

[@danframpt0n]

Beast comment 😤🤝

[@ChristianGarcia-gy5yc]

@@danframpt0n thank you bro just had to add to the archives