The Moment Catelyn Realized Littlefinger Played Her For A Fool 😲

[@DavidMyrmidon]

I think Tyrion's Hypothetical made more sense than The Original Question itself. "Why would I arm The Assassin with a Weapon that would implicate Me?!" 🤨

[@troperhghar9898]

that question has been running in the back of my head since I read the first book

[@exekutorarcardos]

Just like when joffrey died when he meant he wouldnt be at this wedding if he was the murderer.

[@carlosdonado8903]

He definitely wouldn't but the question is who is trying to frame him? Tyrion thinks it's joffrey and almost outright says it in the books

[@AegonTargaryen-x8p]

​@@troperhghar9898why? It's a simple statement, re you that slow?

[@Phantom19913]

@@carlosdonado8903Littlefinger had framed him. Catspaw was Littlefingers dagger he lost it to Robert when he made the bet. His motive, he wanted to create a scenario that would increase his power.

[@BlackTalonGaming]

Tyrion always bets on his brother, no matter what. Its kinda touching in a way.

[@khaleesireyna731]

The books really highlighted the fact that out of all of his family, Tyrion genuinely loved/cared for Jamie because Jamie was actually decent to him and didn't treat him as "The Imp" the way most of the family did. Jamie is genuinely a good man... when he isn't being influenced/manipulated by his father or his sister.

[@yo5526]

Where does it touch

[@XSacredX27]

@@khaleesireyna731 I'd add Gerion Lannister too, perhaps not as much seeing as Gerion left Westeros not long after Robert's Rebellion, but he does recall his uncle fondly. But his relationship to Jaime was very wholesome.... until the end of book 3

[@khaleesireyna731]

@@XSacredX27 Gerion Lannister as well, but like you mentioned, he left Westeros after Robert's Rebellion. That was the uncle Tyrion asked for a dragon for his nameday as a child.

[@XSacredX27]

@@khaleesireyna731 Ye, hope we learn about his fate in winds. Maybe he found Brightroar but was turned to stone. I dont recall if it's been confirmed in the books if Valyrian steel is effective against the others, but if it is then they'll want as many of those weapons as they can find

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

Her trust in Littlefinger is what lead to House Stark’s near total downfall.

[@tj7094]

Stark dies with Bran not having heirs. At least I can’t see him having any. House Stark will be but a memory.

[@O.G.H.]

@@tj7094You forgot Rickon though. He might play a big part in restoring House Stark.

[@amaterasu1322]

@@O.G.H.is the dead

[@laurenbarnes4918]

​@@amaterasu1322 Rickon isn't dead in the books think Wyman Manderly knows hes hiding on Skagos and is attempting to get him to get the boltons out of winterfell as they all think Bran is dead still

[@amaterasu1322]

@@laurenbarnes4918 oh I thought you meant the movies

[@marcosantonio-hj7vp]

Tyrion and Jaime was full loyal to each other.

[@bonbonvegabon]

lol In the books jaime betrays Tyrion and they are sworn enemies lol

[@Yazzieeee]

@@bonbonvegabonit’s not even a “real” betrayal. But I understand why Tyrion would see it that way since it was the worst thing done to him

[@VampireNinjaBunnies]

Considering the obvious chokehold Tywin has over his children I think this brotherly relationship can be repaired. On some level Tyrion knows Jaime is being truthful when he says Tywin forced him into that betrayal. That on his own Jaime would never betray him.

[@Hydrosphere13]

Jaime betrayed Tyrion both in the show and worst in the books.

[@mkhanman12345]

They are brothers.

[@flyingelvis8850]

Many people say Eddard Stark was a bit slow and Catelyn Tully-Stark was very intelligent. But Catelyn fell for Her sisters secret message (which was Littlefingers) at the beginning of the Books when King Robert visited Winterfell. The note said the Lannisters poisoned Jon Arryn. Catelyn convinced Eddard that her ridiculous sister was telling the truth. Catelyn convinced her son Rob to make a deal with Walder Frey, even though she said her father would never trust Walder Frey. Catelyn pushed Eddard to Wed Sansa to Joffrey, without even investigating what kind of person he was. Catelyn released Jaime Lannister, negating Rob Starks only Bargaining chip with the Lannisters for Sansa. Almost every decision Catelyn Tully-Stark made throughout the 5 books was a complete disaster for the Starks. And Catelyn Tully-Stark convinced Eddard Stark to be King Roberts Hand of the King. Eddard wanted to stay in the North. And Catelyn Tully-Stark Maester helped convince Eddard to be Hand of the King. Conclusion: Intelligent(?) Catelyn Tully-Stark is the person in Game of Thrones most responsible for Eddard Stark, Rob Stark, & Rickon Starks deaths and the fall of Winterfell.

[@AtomicWendigo]

As far as we know Rickon isn’t dead in the books

[@flyingelvis8850]

@@AtomicWendigo True. But I think he dies in the future Books.

[@late-bloomstrategy9694]

Her hate towards Jon made her blind, i think. I only watched the show, so I don't know if that is also true in the books.

[@HeviltheDevil]

Who on earth says Catelyn is very intelligent - she careens from blunder to blunder. She’s the dumbest in House Stark… and there’s no lack of contenders.

[@Abdul-Akeem_Akinloye]

I think it's also important to state that she disregarded Lord Eddard'd orders to get back to the North and get them ready for war _before_ escalation with the Lannisters. Instead, she kidnaps Tyrion Lannister, son of Lord Tywin, a man she knew (to paraphase her thoughts) had never suffered insults againsts his family lightly ever since he was old enough to go to war (the Reynes of Castamere and House Tarbeck of Tarbeck Hall can attest to this... or not, Tywin obliterated them completely, in part for kidnapping his cousin). Catelyn Tully wasn't all that smart of a woman.

[@DVRKSTXR]

Just goes to show how strong of a brotherly bond that Tyrion and Jaime Lannister had.

[@flyboymb]

Cat pulled such a Cersei move, it's no wonder Jamie offered to sleep with her.

[@grzegorzmj4881]

Savage but hilarious xD.

[@ivanrodriguez5402]

To be fair to Cat, her objective wasn't to kill Tyrion, she had her doubts about him and wanted to interrogate him to find out more. It was Lysa who immediately went through the deep end and completely ruined the situation

[@Promislandzion]

Also Cat is good looking in the book right?

[@Kibatsume1]

​@@Promislandzionyes and much younger in the books. From what I recall the book she is like 33, the TV series she's in her 40s Sansa is described very much as a young cat.

[@quavondingle3490]

@@ivanrodriguez5402 Do you think Littlefinger contacted Lysa after Tyrion was captured telling her to try and make sure he’s executed?

[@pacocheung1864]

Catlyn sometimes feels like a more realistic version of Cersei, she acts mostly on emotion and her motherly instincts, and although not as crazy as Cersei, her rash decisions (and trusting little finger) always cost the starks dearly in retrospect, and she is not half as smart as she thinks she is Compared to Cersei, the main difference is that Catlyn at least has morals and character, while the Cersei is just straightup delusional, they’d still do anything for their family (and children), but for Catlyn this means her options are fairly limited. She’s just an overprotective mother / widow blundering politically due to her emotions, so we can kinda relate with her Although in the books she’s now Lady Stone Heart, so maybe that morality has faded, and we might see some similarities between the two powerful mothers

[@raisaulolopezlima2063]

​@DagwoodDogwogglenooooo bud, c'mon. List a few reasons for us

[@7eddiii]

@DagwoodDogwoggleokay I was gonna say NOT ALL TULLYS 😂 my man the blackfish was a badass

[@MFShro0m]

If you really think that delusional people who have not a shred of morality and massively overestimate their own intelligence don’t exist then the world is bigger than you know. There’s an abundance of people like that in world

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

​@@7eddiiihe'd have to be if he was the only recent Tully to be in real combat. Hes a vet of the last Blackfyre Rebellion and one of Robb's top commanders. Come Winds of Winter hes gonna be better than a badass

[@admiralfrancis8424]

@DagwoodDogwoggle Come on, dude, don't torture us. Please list us the reasons.

[@rachelclark6393]

I feel like as much as we talk about sansa's naivete, we often forget about catelyn's naivete. I think she's the one who fostered it and nurtured it in not only sansa but also in robb. Her southern courtesies and fantasies were not inherently valueless or wrong. But she was clearly never trained enough to handle the rougher, darker parts of politics. This makes sense from a girl who was raised by her father to marry well, not rule. She was by all accounts the 'dutiful, good daughter'; she she didn't even have any experience with getting punished. She'd been loved and coddled her whole life. It makes sense that she had too much ignorance to safely play games with people who had been backstabbing and murdering for decades. She wasn't used to the consequences of her actions being so deadly, either. She overestimated what she was capable of handling. I see this sort of blind spot in robb and sansa as well, and somewhat in bran. The most southern of her kids tend to have a blindspot when it comes to other people because they've been loved and cared for by loyal men their whole lives. So when someone new who technically owes them fealty swears to obey and be trustworthy, they dont second guess that. So long as that person is directly obeying them in their sight, they dont question that obedience. There's no, 'why does this person listen to _me_?' , it's just , 'of course he listened to me'. And they have very little concept of malicious compliance. It's very interesting to me, because none of them are stupid or even bad at reading people. But they dont understand how fragile their positions are or how easily they can lose their inborn status. And without that status, they dont realise how little help, respect, and obedience they will get from others. I think this is a consequence of being born with unchecked privilege. Having never even been the 'trouble child' and experiencing punishment or loss of privileges, they had no idea how fragile their power actually was and were too secure in something quite flimsy. Jon and Arya had both experienced powerlessness in their childhoods, not in a traumatising way, but they both understood that their authority was limited and could be revoked at the whim of others. Ironically, catelyn herself was the authority most likely to exert dominance and overrule them. Arya because she was rebellious and willful and her mother was always fighting her desire to live her life the way she preferred. And usually winning. Jon, because he literally only had as much authority as his father let him borrow at any moment. If ned stark grew tired of jon at any point in time, jon was aware he would be out on his own with nothing. It's one reason he went to the wall. I think you see this concept that their power is limited - that it depends on the allowances of - play out in their interactions with others once away from their family. They both cope better with being powerless or submitting to other authority figures. They both reclaim some personal power for themselves. And, they are much more aware of the potential stress fractures in loyalty and trustworthiness of the people they are dealing with.

[@muiresuilgorm3452]

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis.

[@phh.8393]

Underrated comment

[@ZuZu66667]

This was also the case with the Targaryens

[@MichAnoble]

Expert analysis 👌🏾

[@Orblinkluv]

What a truly deep betrayal for her. Peter was really someone she loved growing up, even tho it wasn't in the same way he was in love with her. He was like family to her. She trusted him not only w/ her own life but w/ her children's. I can't even imagine the despair one would feel at a betrayal like that. Someone who said they'd always be on your side....& they've set about the destruction of your family :(

[@jansmit327]

I wish she could have known at the end who Jon really was.. and that Ned never actually betrayed her by cheating

[@ceciliai.ogwude2845]

That's NEDs mistake. There was no need for that dishonesty

[@brianfloyd2279]

Sure there was. Robert would have killed Jon Snow knowing he had a claim to the thrown through his Targaryen blood.

[@owenabruce1368]

​@ceciliai.ogwude2845 he couldn't tell anyone because of Robert's bitter hatred for the Targeyrians. The Lannisters dragged the children from their bed and murdered them and Robert upheld it. Any whisper of a mention about Jon's lineage would mean death for him and the whole stark clan

[@TheMandaloreFett]

@@ceciliai.ogwude2845Ha! He was wise not to tell Cat, she's a fool

[@michalsa136]

​@@ceciliai.ogwude2845 are you mental? She was a disaster. Not telling her was one of the smartest division in the history of the Stark family. First she would say it to someone, soon or later and second I don't know if Robert would tolerate betray like that. Hiding Targaryen in plain sight. That would have consequences.

[@Anthony-dy5cq]

I can't believe she really thought Frey would not have sold them out, that's all te northerners commented on about Freys allegiance being monetary.

[@albaestrada8603]

It's one of those conflicts a writer makes, a world where it makes sense that they are truly loyal and that's how the starks would need to see to be doomed vs the readers reality where the author has to show how blind we were not to see it and how it is just better for the reader to read how evil those backstabbing were instead of a world where everyone was surprised and how great those betrayer were. It would be unappealing to read that after what they did to the starks.

[@TheCheffer76]

She always thought she was better than everyone else in the books and show. In the books she reaps what she sows by becoming cursed.

[@doctorderpage2848]

She was surprisingly precious for somebody from the riverlands.

[@joshuahoover6841]

You are so right! I was just rereading game of thrones, and the part where Mya stone is helping her, all her interior dialogue is basically running Mya down.

[@matthewriley7826]

Lannisters aren’t the only ones with arrogance…

[@no_one01-5]

She was not even nearly as smart as she thought and way too trusting. Bad combination.

[@PoutingScout]

Cat fucking sucks. Nothing but a pact marriage to the starks

[@justicedunham4088]

To be fair, you are likely to believe someone you’ve known and trusted for decades over someone you’ve never liked or trusted

[@no_one01-5]

@@justicedunham4088 When I was younger and trusted people. Life shows that everyone lies, cheats, and steals. Even those closest to you.

[@romanyukhaev4549]

Like Cersei, she wasen't smart at all to begin with. Only proud noble

[@argh432]

That is why Ned never told here who Jon's mother was.

[@slobiden.2593]

I have a theory LF started the entire Rebellion. The starks thought Lyana was kidnapped. She wasn’t. She eloped. Who said she was kidnapped? WHO told the starks lyana was kidnapped? It was a lie. The biggest liar is LF, The immediate result of this was the death of Brandon Stark and Richard Stark, Ned’s older/oldest brother and father when they went to KL. Brandon was the original match of Katlyn, not Ned. I think LF thought the starks would rebel and be all quashed leaving him with Cat.

[@diabloakland]

I’ve always felt this way too!!!

[@radixmaharaj5912]

Exactly, this all started with LF wanting Cat and he went about to get her with a lie. Her sister help to confirm this as she was obsessed with LF. So, killing her husband would get Ned to the Red Keep.

[@Orblinkluv]

I do agree Littlefinger put a lot in motion. & that would definitely serve his goals. But I think that Lyanna knew if she left w/ Rhaegar what would happen. She was too smart to not know the consequences of her actions. She ran away w/ him quietly in the night. I used to think she was very cool but now I wonder how greedy she really was. Many people died because of her lustful choice..I also wonder if Rhaegar truly loved her or just thought she was a key to a Targaryen prophecy & so manipulated her.

[@mikecranapple8878]

It's a well-established, known story arc.

[@charlie172011]

was he already in King's Landing? Littlefinger was like 15 years old during the rebellion

[@gloriamrales-king8606]

Cat WAS a fool!

[@chris_louis]

I hated Lady Stark throughout the show because she simply had made poor judgements continuously. Even letting go Jamie wasn't the right choice.

[@laurenevers8644]

Oh more than that, that was probably the stupidest, most empty-headed thing she's ever done out of all the other stupid, incompetent decisions she made. Her being a trusting fool can at least somewhat be blamed on her being too coddled to understand the consequences of blind trust, but in the thick of war she just let's their ONLY bargaining chip go without telling anyone? I'm convinced she's less of a human and more of a mop with a fancy dress on it that just constantly falls over and crashes into every bad spot it can possibly hit. There are no thoughts in her head, just a yawning chasm where a brain should be.

[@LushTugboat]

“I never bet against my family”

[@the-Albino-Rhino]

Death, taxes, and Catelyn being incompetent

[@QTC1688]

To me Catelyn gets worse every reread. Not only does she make stupid decisions, she does the opposite of the good plan already in place. Ned tells her to go home and quietly start preparing the North and Riverlands for war. Instead she seizes Tywin Lannisters son 2 days ride from Casterly Rock and went to the Vale. Then after Rob has taking the best bargaining chip in the whole game (bar Joffrey/Tywin) she lets him go on the word of the acting hand who holds no real power outside being acting hand. I dunno if she was meant to be written that way but ya she sucks.

[@aprilmae274]

When listening to this clip, refer to the clip where Tyrion and Jaime are discussing the dagger in Tyrion's cell. See where that dagger came from really.

[@justicedunham4088]

It’s believed by many that the dagger was a part of Robert’s treasury and the most likely culprit is Joffrey. Like, in his twisted way, it’s a mercy killing. He’s also one of the few characters that could have access to the treasury/armory and be dumb enough to arm an assassin with Valyrian steel

[@aprilmae274]

@@justicedunham4088 It wasn't Joff-the dagger was already there in the North. Jace will be taking it there when he heads North.

[@MFShro0m]

@@aprilmae274Jace who? Jacaerys Targeryan?

[@AegonTargaryen-x8p]

​​@@aprilmae274re you blind or slow? He never said it was Joff's dagger, he detailed his words carefully that joff took it from Robert's treasury to arm the assassin.

[@aprilmae274]

@@AegonTargaryen-x8p I'm probably both. Obviously I am far too feeble for any of this. I have never even read the books, let alone bothered with the shows.

[@joshuahoover6841]

Wish there'd been a moment where she realized that she started the war of the 5 kings

[@N.U.R_Music]

Little finger started the war of the five kings

[@joshuahoover6841]

@@N.U.R_Music he lit the match, she threw a pot of wildfire on it. All she had to do was take Tyrion to King's landing and it would've been sorted

[@THEHEAVYSPITTERSDVD]

THEY HAVE MY SON!!! Tywin felt disrespected

[@kimmehamehaaa7241]

​@@joshuahoover6841 he strategically laid out the wildfire, like Aerys did in King's Landing lol she was the spark..

[@joshuahoover6841]

@@kimmehamehaaa7241 I like your thought, but I think he wasn't that planning ahead. I don't know what his plans were for having John killed, but he certainly didn't plan on what happened to bran and subsequently getting ahold of the cat's paw dagger. But you're right, he definitely did have caches of wildfire here and there

[@joyboy_3165]

The Starks are always called idiots yet most of their failures are because of this blind Tully foul

[@m.williams4971]

That’s bullshit.

[@extraplain2412]

If you believe that then you might have some Tully blood in your veins

[@20footlongburmesepython]

Lol did you forget Ned's dumb ass?

[@paul-antonywhatshisface3954]

Not really ​@@m.williams4971

[@joyboy_3165]

@@m.williams4971 Ok let's go in order then, in KL Ned is always blamed for trusting LF yet out of all the members of the small council barriston was only one that could be called trustworthy but Ned couldn't rely on him so what does he do? He decided to rely on the one man his wife vouch for even with his own misgivings about him. Secondly during their meetings in KL Ned gives her many instructions to follow that could put them in an advantageous position in case war brokes out against the lannisters what does she do instead? Kidnap Tyrion and have a sham trial in the vale for a crime he didn't commit. Fortunately Tyrion finds a way out but still because of her actions Jaimie attacks Ned, breaks his leg and wipe out most of his remaining northmen forcing him to have to rely on LF and Janos slynt when Robert dies ultimately sealing his fate and this is just how much she fucks ned over I could go on as far as robb is concerned too but I will stop here.

[@Anukii]

I don’t wanna hear SHIT about Petyr being “almost a brother” when Lannisters are also in the same conversation 💀

[@joejohnson6210]

Is anyone else coming to the realization that George will never finish this story?

[@mounirmugen3900]

Indeed and that s why i didnt even start Reading novels

[@jeffreysmith236]

Technically, he already has. He just let D&D add lousy details.

[@HeviltheDevil]

@@mounirmugen3900 Wise move.

[@HeviltheDevil]

Yeah. His two best friends have passed away in the last couple of years - and they were hardly older than him. He’s also the most out of shape of all of them. Given that he’s working on everything but the main series - it’s highly unlikely we’re getting another book… and book 7 is mathematically impossible.

[@tj7094]

@@mounirmugen3900 novels put the show to shame tbh, worth the read regardless if they get finished. There is no Night King in the novels like the one on the show. There is a story that inspired the one for the show however.

[@paleriderpublishing451]

Cat cost rob the war

[@cmcgurren479]

It wasn't just Catelyn that lost Rob the war.

[@JagmasterGeneral12374]

Cat caused Robb's war

[@PoutingScout]

@@JagmasterGeneral12374there you go

[@icecoldnut5152]

@@JagmasterGeneral12374 Littlefinger caused the war. Cat may have taken the first shot, but Robert would still die and Ned would still stand for Stannis and get duped by Peter

[@thehermit8723]

Rob himself cost himself the war with his childish approach in politics. Being a general and being a king are two entirely different things ...

[@brettmorrow4785]

Catlyn was one of the worst players in the “game”

[@alisade127]

Not due to being dumb, more being sheltered from the true treachery of the players and too trusting of Little Finger.

[@MarcusWilbourn-fb3ic]

She never was in the game 😂

[@superkenalmighty]

She wasn’t a player. She was a pawn.

[@shadowtheimpure]

@@superkenalmighty She was a pawn that was acting like a player, thus making the position of her house weaker and weaker with each action.

[@romanyukhaev4549]

She was a complete Idiot to think littlefinger will be loyal to her after how she spurned him...

[@flavius5722]

Is very realistic , many people do wrong to us în childhood ( or we do to them ) and they are walking away from it without a sweat , or even forgive at all what happen For that kid my be a tragedy who mark him for life ,but for the one that did him wrong , anything is in the past and dosent matter

[@TheMuseSway]

@@flavius5722 Totally true and it wasn't even just a throw a words he was physically wounded from that spurn. SO it makes sense he wouldn't forget about it or easily toss it aside.

[@Shannon-vv6rr]

And he was a complete idiot to think ruining Cats entire life would make her love him.... Also f+cking her sister to get the closest thing to Cat. Petyrs psychotic but okay

[@jeffallen4393]

This is when she should have told tyion that little finger set him up and they together could have killed him but no the starks are dumb

[@lewismoreton4856]

Correction, the Tully's are dumb, and those they advise by proxy

[@scrilluchiano4789]

The tullys fs are.

[@georgeprchal3924]

The Tully's all have donkey brains.

[@propogandalf]

This idea is kind of dumb. How could she secretly communicate with Tyrion without anyone knowing? What sort of plan could they hatch with their resources to set up Littlefinger? How would she know she could trust Tyrion who is still loyal to his house at this time?

[@jeffallen4393]

@propogandalf well she is standing right next to him and the only people around is her men and bron who is with tyrion so how is it dumb there is no need to be cautious they could have made their plan right there and they never could trust each other but they were civil to each other and to find out that they have a common problem that is trying to make their houses fight and destroy both families then yea i think they could and came up with a compromise and both still be loyal to their houses hell robert and ned would have loved to kill little finger and have their houses together at least in a civil form rather than fighting and killing each other be smart think logical

[@braedenh6858]

Every decision Catelyn made was the wrong one

[@mykhailohohol8708]

was right about Theon.

[@HeviltheDevil]

@@mykhailohohol8708 Broken clocks and all that sort of thing

[@braedenh6858]

@@mykhailohohol8708 got me there. She was also correct about Walder Frey. That's 2 things. The list of wrong things is much, much longer! - trusting Littlefinger/Lysa - telling Ned to trust Littlefinger - who sent the assassin for Bran - arresting Tyrion - leaving Bran in charge of Winterfell - Jon - trusting Roose Bolton - releasing Jaime (an act of treason) etc. etc.

[@mykhailohohol8708]

@@braedenh6858 and from her point of view these were all rational choices. Ok, I give you Jon lol

[@graylonperson9012]

fatally wrong

[@AMightyStorm]

I think it's neat to consider that Sansa had a lot of Catelyn's qualities when it came to being too trusting, naive and unimaginative. And well, simply too slow to catch on to what needed to be seen. Sansa said it herself, she's a slow learner, but she learns. She went from being a dumb and helpless girl to being wise to the motivations of all peoples around her and even knew ahead of time that Daenerys was bad news. I think Sansa really surpassed her mother in this way.

[@smackyfrog6046]

Catelyn believed all the worst people, when all the information necessary was always in front of her. She knew Petyr had a thing for her, and she knew Lysa had a thing for him. She should have worked out Petyr's ambition and motivations. She should have guessed the truth when her father was speaking to Lysa about her miscarriage/abortion. Instead she assumes he's speaking to her about her children. She has the right information about both of these characters, and she comes to the wrong conclusion.

[@flavius5722]

Jaime is the one who puse Jofrey out the window ,why would be hard to belive that he also sent the assasin

[@smackyfrog6046]

@flavius5722 he pushed [Bran] out of the window. No one suspected Lannisters until Little Finger implicated Tyrion. Both Catelyn and Ned wholeheartedly believe Tyrion's guilt, but they shouldn't have. Catelyn captured Tyrion at the inn but didn't believe his story though it made more sense than anything Petyr said.

[@diabloakland]

She also tells Robb to choose roose Bolton over Greatjon in the book when they gather the banners!!! Greatjon Umber was at least loyal.

[@flavius5722]

"Cersei keeps no secrets to me " you poor simp Does it matter ? Jaime is still the one who push him out the window

[@THEHEAVYSPITTERSDVD]

I never liked Jamie after he pushed Bran I didn't care what type of redemption tour he was on

[@maelguiraud3568]

@@THEHEAVYSPITTERSDVD taht's the first episode

[@THEHEAVYSPITTERSDVD]

@@maelguiraud3568 I know and I hated him ever since

[@komikbookgeek]

I can't for the fucking life of me understand why the fuck she trusted Littlefinger.

[@SergioMendoza760]

She just thought she knew him. I agree with you, after the trial by combat with Brandon I cannot fathom how she thought littlefinger held anything for her other than outright hatred. Or maybe deep down she truly thought she still had some level of power over him assuming Petyr was still in love with her. Idk it was a really bad lapse in judgement no matter how you look at it.

[@piyusarkar3065]

A lot of people trusted littlefinger on the books, he had that personality where you don't feel threatened. He plays his cards and games carefully, he is friendly

[@komikbookgeek]

@@piyusarkar3065 they did, but his actions towards her - the duel with Brandon especially - showed he did NOT see her in a brotherly way. And she hadn't seen him in years. It was just. *Stupid*.

[@komikbookgeek]

@@SergioMendoza760 that's the thing! The entire thing with Brandon, and with her sister like. Fuck lady *think*.

[@piyusarkar3065]

@@komikbookgeek that's true. If there's anyone who should have looked right through his games, that should have been her

[@Ashbrash1998]

It's interesting how many people forget that NOBODY told her differently about the assumption. Not Ned, her guards, or anyone.

[@sayandewan2860]

Moral of the story: Do not send lovers to brotherzones. Just do not do it girls.

[@Ariana-wv4pf]

She was really dumb. Putting too much trust in Littlefinger. She should have known that Littlefinger would want nothing more but to destroy Ned Stark.

[@kidneyproductions2169]

I hope that Lady Stoneheart is actually the one to kill Lord Baleash (dunno how to spell his name.) I feel that would have just such a nice bow on that present

[@bonbonvegabon]

Nope. All the foreshadowing in the books points to Sansa who will do it just like in the show. In the books, Arya meets a witch lady in Bravos who gives her a prophecy about a princess slaying a giant in a castle made of snow. Littlefinges sigil is the giant since his grandfather was from Bravos.,

[@griffinthebarbarian7954]

Every time I here “Did you know, in the books,….” I now immediately think “no, I did not know.” And listen intently

[@daydreamergirl03]

Lady Stark is a terrible judge of character

[@tonyjunior-thefirstgentlem410]

Catlyn realized the error of her mistake, but she still wouldn't admit it even though she still thinks she is so honorable, like her headless husband.

[@deny3638]

When the simp betrays you haha

[@TDKiller415]

And we're supposed to believe Baelish was so easily tricked in the TV series? Yeah right 😂

[@VincentVanHalen55]

Cat really was completely oblivious to the reality of the people around her. Never seen a worse judge of character

[@EdwinBetancourtJr]

Cat wasn’t Ned and Ned wasn’t fit to be Hand of the King. Ned was a Warrior and he lead his people through service not by politics! Being hand of the King requires you to see all the pieces on the board and to make the right decisions. Ned was out of his element as Hand of the King, just as Cat was without Ned! Robert almost ended the Starks by putting Ned in a game he had no idea how to play!

[@clownkilla7003]

The only thing Cat got ever got right was figuring out she was wrong

[@TheyCallMeVincenzo]

I like how, as a non-book reader, this is a bromance moment of "My kid brother always bets on me when I get in the fucking ring."

[@antoniobentivoglio4488]

It's easy to judge people from readers prospective. As readers/viewers we already knew so many things. But for the involved characters the situation was pretty complex and difficult. In the book for example Baelish at the beginning seemed to be a very trustful person (I mean he was really like a brother to Cat). In my opinion overall Catelyn was a very smart lady, a true lady of westeros. But you need to contextualise every decision. She didn't not convince Ned to be the hand of the king. She only reminded Ned that the king is the king and he couldn't accept a refuse from Ned. She wanted also a good marriage for her children. But if you read deeply her chapters, you realise how many times he warned Robb about his future mistakes. She warned Robb not to break the promise with the Freys. She was the only one who suspected Bran did not fall casually from the tower. She was among the first people to suspect about Lannisters incest. She warned Robb about not sending Theon back to the iron islands (witch it lead to the fall of winterfell). She was the only one during the war who called for a peace with the crown (the lords of the north laughed back at her), instead of keeping fight in the south. She negotiated a very good alliance with Renly and she was the only Stark who almost at the end understood all that shit that was coming. (Remember her words: "Walder Frey is a dangerous man to cross") If Robb had listened more to her, many disgraces wouldn't have never happened. She was a complex, human, flawed character. But in the end, very smart, smarter than Cersei for sure. But she was also very impulsive. She cared a lot about her children, but not in a selfish manner like Cersei. I guess you just need to give some context to the character and to the whole situation. I love her character so much and I think she's one of the most well written and tragic characters made by Martin.

[@martincamacho2444]

Littlefinger plays, both ends against the middle

[@ladylily]

That drawing of Littlefinger is amazing!

[@bonbonvegabon]

In the GOt Histories and Lore, Catelyn admits she should have let Brandon kil* Little Finger when he had his chance.

[@dcle944]

The thing is LittleFinger said that in front of Varys. So Varys should have known LittleFinger was behind it. If he really cared about the Realm, he would have found a way to inform her.

[@adtoxic3344]

Varys wants aegon on the throne. The chaos only benefitted him

[@ComradeQuestion091]

I'll be honest, Cat's decision-making was often terrible and I think Robb had a better chanve in the war if she had been left behind in Winterfell

[@HeviltheDevil]

Absolutely - he even tries sending her back, but she digs her heels in and refuses. Soon after she releases Jaime Lannister.

[@ComradeQuestion091]

@@HeviltheDevil it was frustrating to watch. And she kept babying him in front of public, how did she expect that to look? 😒

[@maelguiraud3568]

@@ComradeQuestion091 in the show she didn't baby him

[@CD-qc6mk]

The characters that can do most damage to innocent people are ones who have low iq but thinks the opposite. Catlyn is one of them.

[@baptistamercado1380]

Similar to her treatment of Jon Snow, Catelyn was blinded by her rage.

[@johnstockley6976]

If Catelyn was smart she'd keep Jon in the North, marry him to the freys, then promise Robb to Shireen to ally Stannis.

[@psicoepop]

WTF 😂

[@christopherchuauhang4829]

What

[@caa6909]

Huh ??

[@notyourfrind9415]

After everything the Starks and the Tullys had put the Freys through for centuries, Walder would not have accepted anything less than the King in the North. Ned Stark's bastard is below even Edmure Tully.

[@emdeejay7432]

​@notyourfrind9415 exactly. Walder was a stubborn old fart and the bastard of winter fell would have been a slap in the face. Maybe he'd have let him have one of his disturbing monster daughters but not the one that Robb got and it wouldn't have brought the union they hoped for and even then I don't think he'd have accepted the offer that's just the best offer I think they could have hoped for. Speaking of g.o.t. I need to finish a dance with dragons. I'm so worried g.r.r.m. is going to die before he finishes the series. He's 74 already, he may finish winds of winter but to expect a finish to the final book!? It just seems impossible at his age and in that unhealthy body of his and at the rate at which he's writing.

[@XxSTACKxX]

The way these are edited is pretty good

[@steelpookie7597]

A little off topic but still about crappy Catlyn overall...Many people blame Catlyn and Jon's bad relationship on Ned because he didn't trust his wife enough to tell her the truth about Jon's mother. But everything we know about her reckless behavior points to the fact that Ned knew his wife very well and (especially her shortcomings). He likely suspected she in spite of loving him would betray Jon's secret if the situation ever came up similar to how she freed Jamie at the expense of Rob and the war. Loving your kids is a good quality but not at the detriment of all others. Just take a look at Cersei, she has that and her check bones and she's still horrible, lol. Catlyn was always trash to me in the show and my opinion didn't change after reading the books.

[@sherryfreeman1141]

Exactly look at how quick Sansa told everybody

[@csguy3223]

She literally would have told Littlefinger within moments of finding out and he would have exploited that for power and gotten everyone killed in the process.

[@steelpookie7597]

@@sherryfreeman1141 oh please don’t mention Sansa, she’s my trigger 😂😂. I could go on for days about her. Most useless & untrustworthy member of the family and worst character in the show, imo.

[@s.i.cbeats3066]

I despised Catelyn and Sansa immensely!

[@ace24680]

Ngl but in that entire show since I never read the books😂 those two brothers were close close almost stark like levels even after the sister believed he had harmed her child he refused to believe it until she gave him no choice

[@SergioMendoza760]

I feel like this is still bullshit though. Jamie says “Cersei keeps no secrets from me.” And that straight up could not be further from the truth. We see countless times from not only Cersei’s pov, but Tyrions and Jamie’s own pov that Cersei will bold face lie to Jamie’s face and not give a shit if he knows or not. I’m not saying Cersei did send the assassin to kill bran, I’m just saying from our perspective as the audience it’s still supposed to be up in the air and just an unanswered question we’ll always theorize about. That being said joffery sent the assassin in my opinion.

[@bonbonvegabon]

Originally Answered: Who attempted to kill bran in A Game Of Thrones, the first book of ASOIAF? Joffery Baratheon /Lannister,Confirmed by Tyrion in later books. Reason because he wanted to be considered a good son to his father Robert Baratheon.

[@travelingparadise2823]

⁠@@bonbonvegabonwhy killing Bran would men Jeoffrey a good son by Robert? I read on other comments who says Littlefinger sent the assassin?

[@bonbonvegabon]

@@travelingparadise2823 LF did not send him that is a lie. Joff sent him to make his dad Bobby B proud

[@OlPalJoe]

I hope Stoneheart and Jeyne both get a crack at him.

[@RaineMaven]

Unfortunately, both she and Edard lacked the intellect and skill to accurately interpret the myriad schemes swirling around them. Her fatal error was not being more forceful with Robb in holding him to the commitment he made to Walder Frey. His father mother and father's inabity to provide wisdom on such matters doomed him to his tragic fate.

[@georgiann6412]

Catlin was probably too dumb to put 2 and 2 together.

[@xslonk]

"I never bet against my family" -Tyrion

[@patrickftw8464]

“Did you know in the books” has gotta be the most played intro for my KZbin shorts lmao, every other video I see.. I’ve gone too deep

[@masonwickliffe3851]

Little finger started the whole game by killing the hand of the king jon arryn

[@jonathanbradley4896]

Catelyn truly was a lot more dumb than she let on. Her and Cersei were similar in many ways.

You gotta admit Catelyn looks pretty hot in the thumbnail to this video.

[@natemyers4946]

Littlefinger = Johnny Sack Cat = Paulie Walnuts

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Good. Catelyn is so pretentious in the books

[@halfbloodprinc3284]

Funny that kepa can be that type of keeper😅

[@1HalfbloodPrince]

Interesting! Thanks for the cool info

[@creativewriter3887]

Catlyn was the anti-Cersei but just as dumb.

[@juse4507]

The starks have honor and dignity but lack allllll the cunning and strategy to truly play the game. In the end they won by technicality

[@aviwegexa9031]

Sansa,Bron and Arya all developed that cunning ability that is why they won.

[@cod73]

The technicality being the writer f**king up

[@B.Scruby]

The Starks? Those moves were all Tully. It had Catelyn written all over them. Rob was winning that war with the Lannisters. So much so that Tywin was legit worried and had to enlist the Tyrells but only after the death of Renly.

[@jasonthompson8147]

Littlefinger wants the Wolves and the Lions to kill one another but I can’t actually understand really why. I kind of think he tried to kill Tyrion at the wedding feast. Wife and Groom share a cup at wedding feast. Joffrey is the only one who at Tyrion’s pie however and littlefinger just happened to not be there for the wedding. He wanted Tyrion dead before he figured out what he was up to.

[@wanyekivincent2883]

Littlefinger loves chaos he saw a chance to make it and took it. And no, littlefinger definitely meant to kill jeoffry not Tyrion

[@tomazpetkos9409]

@@wanyekivincent2883 Littlefinger wanted Sansa by getting rid off Tyrion. He mannaged to get her on his ship but Joffrey died instead of Tyrion who is married to Sansa and thus still a thorn in Littlefinger's ass. Joffrey is the only one who ate Tyrion’s poisoned pie.

[@bonbonvegabon]

lol Watch it again dear. There's a scene with Olenna and Little finger are in his smashed out brothel planning the murder of Joff

[@wanyekivincent2883]

@@tomazpetkos9409 You need to read the books more carefully brother the poison was put into the king's chalice why exactly would Tyrion drink from the king's chalice. It is also garlan tyrell who puts the poison in the drink. Why would he want Tyrion dead. It's all quite clear men

[@tomazpetkos9409]

@@wanyekivincent2883 So in Littlefinger's defence: "Task failed successfully." ;) His plan si to get Sansa. He got her, yet still married. Not to Joffrey, remember?

[@Polo22546]

I don’t want to feel good just to feel bad two days later. Bars!!

[@HeatherHolt]

Littlefinger knew her for so long and so well and was so obsessed with her, he knew how she’d think and react. Not just to the dagger but also to her sisters letter. LF is the ultimate chess player i just hope his fate ends with some LadyStoneheart revenge and not with two little girls besting him.

[@JJ-yx6jy]

I think Littlefinger played you for a fool ese.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

The "13 books tall" depiction of Tyrion is a bit ridiculous. He was a dwarf, not a midget.

[@MiBasse]

...what do you think the word "midget" describes?

[@elizapuissegur9127]

I think about the mental gymnastics that Cat had to go through on the single fact of Bran being pushed from the broken tower. The tower that had at least a page dedicated to how Bran, a fully ambulatory person at the time, had to find the two different ways to climb it and neither were super easy. The question, if you considered that is, who from the kings party would be okay framing Tyrion.

[@AngelRodriguezFritoLay]

Is that a graphic novel series as well?

[@incanusolorin2607]

Yep, it's beautiful and you can find it online. It's worth checking it out

[@Mercurial.]

​@@incanusolorin2607 What's the name of it except GoT

[@AngelRodriguezFritoLay]

@@incanusolorin2607 thanks! I just ordered the set.

[@incanusolorin2607]

@AngelRodriguezFritoLay oh I meant you can read it online for free, as in piracy. But good for you for buying it. I hope you enjoy it

[@incanusolorin2607]

@Mercurial. just google a song of ice and fire comic book

[@StannisHarlock]

"Poor old dead Ned."

[@ericjorgearnezinochea9679]

In the books she fears the thought of everything starting from a mistake from her so she quickly rejects the thought. A realistic character.

[@gamer23xd91]

I only build some death guard modells for now but I really enjoy the step of building a modell. It's like a form of meditation for me. Yes painting is also fun but it's not one the same lvl of I'm just relaxed while doing that as building.

[@mlgmeistros4278]

Petyr wanted to be more than a brother, Bran was proof he'd never be, so he probably considered it merely settling the score.

[@jonbradley4044]

"Did you Naurrrr?"

[@clarkmannen8789]

“I can’t believe she trusted Littlefinger” all of you would have too if the book was told from Catelyn’s perspective alone

[@yusufraage8554]

Nope, anybody with a brain know not to trust someone you’ve scorned why back.

[@bonbonvegabon]

Dont listen to the low IQS, you are correct

[@ugochukwuudeh6625]

This is heartbreaking

[@alearnedman]

Catelyn knew not long after she'd taken Tyrion captive, it's just that there was nothing else she could do

[@michaelratliff7775]

GOT was fantastic! However I would love to see it done more by the book!

[@simbol5638]

One of my favorite moment in the book

[@Shannon-vv6rr]

Notice that scarf wrapped tightly around where she would be cut

[@sage3583]

Cat was playing Checkers with Chess pieces

[@TheWhiteWolf.CowrieShellKing]

*Cue Denzel Washington speech

[@twiceshy9773]

Aargh!! Don't torture me!! The way GoT ended broke my heart!! I've still not recovered- I can't watch a new show unless I know for CERTAIN SURE that there's a proper ending, I curse at bookstores and have a voodoo doll of George RR Martin sitting in front of a typewriter but I'm beginning to think IT'S NOT DOING SQUAT!!! Why did you hurt me when I loved you so??!!😭😭(but I love seeing GoT actors in other stuff- the lady who played Catlyn was playing some business lady in "Suits" and also in that Bridgerton spinoff "Queen Charlotte"- lol I like her in period costume way more than modern stuff. And Davos has been in EVERYTHING lately- I saw him in some vampire thing just recently...a vampire on a boat...lol it was pretty good!!)

[@raynarksatriawibowo6688]

Lf has one of the most severe case of blue balls

[@TheDeadlyKnight]

Catelyn seized both Lannister boy & freed both from hostage status. He also

[@nacreses3544]

Another "He's like a brother to me" issue, seemed to me

[@justinholmesrealtor5604]

Little finger tried to poison the imp but Jeffrey ate his pie

[@Alientcp]

I read the book and watched the first season. I recall that the only detail that was changed from the first book to the show was exactly that. In the book, the origin of the dagger is a bit nebulous, though I dont remember the details. In the tv show Littlefinger is more explicit about the origin of the dagger. Thats the only change I saw.

[@JustinMiales]

Whatever you say I have no idea what you're talking about