The MONSTROUS Expectations Of First Commanders - One Piece Discussion | B.D.A Law

First Commanders are held to a higher standard normally. Is it justified? Or are they just like the other commanders?
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[@NaturalHypertrophy]

13:18 I think people dislike Shiryu because he's not being built up as the type of swordsman whose ambition is to become the strongest. I see him as an anti-Zoro. He's just content using his sword to slash people regardless of their level of competence, while Zoro actively spares unskilled fighters by using the flat of his swords. Shiryu is also presented as being sneaky, using surprise attacks to kill people he would have had no problems beating fair and square: he is vicious (his new fruit also exemplifies that). Both he and Zoro are predators, but of a different type: it's Jaguar vs Tiger.

[@Alex-dl7ew]

well said!!

[@toufiq309]

I mean its obvious Shiryu is not gonna be first mate/commander... he maybe stronger but he is also too unreliable/untrustworthy same goes with Kuzan.

[@revolutiondragon1156]

Blackbeard needs total loyalty, burges should be his first choice as first commander because he was with him from the beginning and their relationship more like a friend, shiryu could switch side at any moment if he feels like it same goes with all those from impel down

[@lucabertani225]

Shiryu is the epitomy of a shit man that would do any dirty stuff to accomplish what he wants Said that, he's been portrayed as a fucking monster and not all people have quite realised that yet

[@shadowfoxx4]

I've never heard that anyone disliked shiryu

[@lostmarimo]

I have always seen the beast pirates as pure powerhouses with insane durability and stamina. Not speed and observation haki

[@tevinm4292]

Agreed, but some things are standard.... Even for meat heads...

[@thefire-man4527]

king definitelty seems like the speed type tho

[@lostmarimo]

@@thefire-man4527 maybe the word i was looking for was awareness or maybe responsive. Pure speed can be a power trait for sure.

[@narutoshippudensas]

They would be the best physically including speed, strength, defense, etc.

[@thefire-man4527]

@@lostmarimo yea i gotchu. i agree

[@felaax4265]

Jesus Christ, it's not like Izo shot his devil fruit out of him.

[@mikeyxstyles]

@@Its_Dhruvik that man dead lmao

[@wallaceiseasy3459]

Oda has stated King to be a Swordsman Imagine Ussop shooting Zoros swords out of his hands Bro most of the King slander are just jokes anyway

[@anihxamv1596]

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[@felaax4265]

@@wallaceiseasy3459 but the gap between Usopp and Zoro is far wider than between King and Izo I would say

[@yusufonepiece]

@@felaax4265 Exactly. And by surprise - like in the previous chapter, Usopp most likely could disarm Zoro imo. Heck, even Kaido barely had time to react to the ambush, aside from talking.

[@elrana8224]

I think it speaks more to whitebeard’s status and legend, that he was able to get 16 incredible individuals under his flag. Kaido and big mom are top heavy. Straw hats , red hair , black beard are more well rounded.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Top heavy both literally and figuratively. Kaido's been skipping leg day and Big Mom needs to chill with the cakes

[@eVill420]

Kaido's definitely less top heavy, he has some actually formidable people outside his 3 strongest. There's the tobi roppo, Hawkins and Apoo omiwabanshu leader and the mimiwamigamafaraafngsfsg something leader, while Big Mom had... 3 commanders, one of which was asking what to do from Baron Tamago and not to diss the Egg he didn't exactly seem strong. There's Daifuku and Oven, they were pretty good, and of course there's the Snack and Perospero, that totals to 8 competent people, (9 before Bege dipped) for Big Mom while Kaido has way more with 13 (14 if counting yamato) Just overall my perception of the Tobi Roppo and the supernovas is WAY higher than Oven, Daifuku, snack or Tamago. If you ask me which is stronger a fucking allosaur or a kitchen utensil I'm probably betting on the allosaur. to be fair though, Bege was really impressive, but he's outta there now while Drake is still with Kaido, for now.

[@eVill420]

Oh and I almost forgot, Kaido had Doflamingo and his crew on his side too didn't he, with that he'd be at... 16 competent people working with him, adding Doflamingo and Vergo to the list, as the rest of those fools weren't anything too special

[@pillsenthe3rd795]

@Playboy538 that's because they weren't fleshed out much

[@goldmo2427]

Playboy538 he didn’t show much of them

[@realmencry981]

Strength isn’t linear in One Piece, you can be strong in different ways King is probably physically disgusting and it’ll take A LOT to put him down for good He’s dominant in a different way, he probably hits harder and is more durable than Katakuri Katakuri having future sight counters the durability difference by “not getting hit” If King had Dino durability + future sight, it’s make him too strong imo. Izo is an elite marksman, so I don’t see the problem with Izo using his best skill + surprise attack to be able to disarm King for a second Kaidos crew are dangerous because of their physical might, you won’t learn future sight if you’ve never had the need to since your such a unit. Katakuri learned it because he wanted to protect his siblings, BPs don’t give a fuck about each other only Kaido

[@ohnono8273]

don't forget that king can fly. I don't get that some fans wants every strong characters have future sight because katakuri has it . not every characters should have the same power, that's pretty lame imo .

[@realmencry981]

just D exactly, I didn’t even mention that because I was already typing too much But what Marco and King did to BMs ship, Katakuri couldn’t have done because it’s not in his skillset. Katakuri is a good counter for espionage and counter attacks King seems ideal for handling a direct attack on the front line, he can take a lot of damage, deal a lot of damage and fly to scout They don’t have to be identical in fighting ability to be equals in different ways. They’re both good a different things I’m pretty sure Benn Beckman isn’t a physical monster like King but he’s around the same level. So even if he can’t take damage like King he’ll have something he’s better than King at and that’s what makes them unique characters. Just shows the 1-1 strength comparison doesn’t mean much in this series but people will never accept it

[@bilbobaggins3464]

This was an excellent explanation, you're spitting. Izo didn't broke his sword or something like that. He caught King surprised and just shot his sword out his hand for a second. I mean if he can't even do that then he should just drop that gun. People are like "this guy is stronger than this guy, then the weaker dude can't do ANYTHING to the stronger dude." Oda's showing us that even if you are generally weaker than someone, you can still harm them. Like how Hyogoro needed directions from Luffy to not get hit but he could use fucking advanced armament. Power is not one sided in OP, it is versatile.

[@artificialstyle998]

That Oden vision had Kaido sweating and terrified more than Yusake when Toguro revealed he only used 20% of his power in Yu Yu Hakasho

[@RunnerProblems]

@@qarcon3247 one of the best, I think, not the best

[@wayneswrld2855]

I think oda makes it clear through the actions of characters, who is the closest to the captain in terms of strength and respect. Katakuri did what he thought was best and no one argued , king handled the big mom pirates, yamato , and helped with orochi without saying a word, and even before Marco, Ace took it upon himself to discipline teach and whitebeard respected his decision. I'd rather oda show us through the characters than explicitly state it.

[@jhherkert]

Bravo! I couldn’t agree more and I think you can definitely compare re-reading/watching from the beginning really shows this. Luffy’s greatest skill is his dead accurate judge of people, and it’s what’s been shown to be the marks of great captains. The talk with BB and Luffy/Zoro in Jaya showed that.

[@wayneswrld2855]

@@jhherkert Ooh I missed that scene when I went back to look at examples

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Ace is not stronger than Marco LMFAO! You're reaching like hell with the last one. Ace had more of a reason to chase Blackbeard than Marco did.

[@wayneswrld2855]

@@Shark-hn4mv Do you have any way to back your claim?

[@wayneswrld2855]

@@Its_Dhruvik I think first mate and vice captain are the same thing , Zoro has been called the vice Captain in the series. However there is a difference between first mate and first commander. The first mate never leaves his captain's side unless ordered to do so, first commander in most cases is separate from first mate and does more work with their own forces. Just my take on the rankings

[@ionevenkno9432]

I like how all of Whitebeards crew are like nice dudes that help out 😂

[@generalowen4344]

"he single handedly stopped the entirety of the big mom pirates from getting into wano". big mom: *laughs in amnesia*

[@SixthGuns]

I thought Rayleigh, Beckman, and Zoro are Firstmate or Vice Captain. They're not First Commander. There's a huge difference on Roger, Shanks, and Luffy hierarchy compared to other Pirates.

[@eVill420]

they are the second in command, same thing

[@justinalexander1056]

Yes difference in hierarchy but still the same Marco leads now that Whitebeards gone, Beckmann leads if shanks was gone, king if kaido was gone etc..

[@katakuri.jcharlotte8675]

In a way first commander/ vice captain are the same thing. But....... theres the case with jesus burgers who his bb right hand and not that strong but maybe still going to get devil fruit to make him powerfull af. But we take shiryu as first commander.

[@justinalexander1056]

white america's worst nightmare the only time was when big mom ship attacked and he ask luffy for permission to attack.

[@vancover7824]

@Hans C. Are you dumb? Sanji have not relevance over zoro. Zoro is worst generation along with luffy and is his right hand. Sanji doesn’t do shit

[@thatmetalhead9000]

I think this proves we shouldn't use commander lvl as a tier within one piece.

[@thefire-man4527]

i use it because we can immediately kinda gauge how strong an opponent is when someone says 3rd 2nd or 1st commander level. for example, i say luffy is 1st commander level because i feel like he would beat any 2nd and 3rd commander but wouldnt beat every 1st commander

[@Shark-hn4mv]

It doesn't prove shit. Y'all need to stop acting like it was a fight. Izo caught him off-guard. Point blank. This was not a battle.

[@Shark-hn4mv]

@@thefire-man4527, exactly. Whitebeard commanders caught admirals off guard in Marineford. Obviously they can do the same with other commanders. It's like no one has common sense.

[@chloetzpiano6548]

@@Its_Dhruvik no. 2 doesnt mean in strength, but the authority he got and the decisions as leader too besides dragon, pretty sure 4 revolutionary captains is better than sabo, or maybe dragon has someone even more powerful

[@spaceface8504]

@@thefire-man4527 that's the thing though. Luffy most likely can defeat 2nd or 3rd commanders but those commanders might have a strange trick or ability that can beat luffy. You can't assume that Luffy instantly beats all lower commanders because like I said one piece isn't about tiers it's about the individuals power

[@bekhruztursunboev6765]

King kicked Big Mom's ship with Big Mom in it Marco kicked Big Mom's ship without Big Mom in it Sanji kicked Big Mom's ship..

[@devonrounds5583]

Sanji didn't kick Big Mom's ship... Sanji kicked BIG MOM.

[@ayanleyusuf351]

Beckman = John Whick

[@deaththekidd2920]

Ayanle Yusuf “whick” I read that in Stewies voice from family guy lol. I’m not making fun of your spelling or anything, just thought of that. I agree with your comparison though! 👍

[@ayanleyusuf351]

Death The Kidd it’s actually funny because I watch family guy and I just remembered the way Stewie said cool whip.

[@deaththekidd2920]

Ayanle Yusuf haha then you know why I laughed, sir! Ps. Ben beckmann is going to be a monster when they finally reveal more about his combat prowess

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

1:03 How did you get this picture of OG Alvida

[@Diametric_]

I think the whitebeard commanders obviously aren't all of the same level of strength, but that those levels aren't dictated by their division number.

[@TheSukari]

Agreed. Take Vista for example. He was the 5th commander but clearly showed he was top 3 behind Marco and Jozu based off prowess in the war

[@justinalexander1056]

Sukari Williams 100% agreed even in the Oden flash back we always saw Marco jozu and vista. And Whitebeard developed 5 divisions since the crew was growing and we know Marco Jozu vista thatch were positions 1 3,4,5 and Oden 2.

[@justinalexander1056]

white america's worst nightmare I’m sure Oden fought one of them. We don’t know how the matches went since they weren’t shown.

[@polimpiastro9857]

I wonder how strong Thatch was...

[@justinalexander1056]

Polimpiastro me as well.

[@grammy5605]

I think Zoro has the presence of the first commander where he is just the beast right next to the captain but sanji has the independent factor of the 1st commander where he acts on his own from the captain

[@vincelarkin3548]

That’s not really a first commander tho. Zoro has shown leadership skills independent of Luffy and devotion to his captain, just as Sanji has shown both of these qualities (Zoro’s moments are much more focused on tho). In order to be a right hand, u have to possess both these attributes. The heiarchy of the straw hats will always be Luffy, Zoro, sanji

[@grammy5605]

Vince Larkin I see your response and I agree but I don’t think Zoro’s are as highlighted as Sanji’s because he literally has solo missions but I do agree on the hierarchy

[@tavmack]

Couldn't have said it any better bro

[@anihxamv1596]

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[@grammy5605]

David Bury what did I say against this

[@H3RAC13S]

Roger's bounty at his death is around 5.6 Billion Berries just imagine Rayleigh being called the Dark King.

[@Leon-un8jy]

Lower than Whitebeard since it was stated that no one ever surpassed those two.

[@reterdedhorse1212]

@@Leon-un8jy where is the correlation lmfaooo

[@Leon-un8jy]

@@reterdedhorse1212 He is talking about how high Releighs bounty might be. So I said that it is maximum below Shanks. But you would have gotten it if you were smart enough to extrapolate.

[@reterdedhorse1212]

@@Leon-un8jy ughh your reasoning to why it was lower than shanks was stupid🤦‍♂️ you said it's lower because "it was stated that no one ever surpassed those two" like what? First of all shanks has the 2nd lowest bounty out of the yonko. Second of all that statement was for WB and Roger. But you would've gotten it if you were smart enough 🤷‍♂️

[@Leon-un8jy]

@@reterdedhorse1212 Ah, my mistake. I wanted to write Whitebeard no Idea why I wrote Shanks. But the correlation is still there.

[@fatdaab]

When Shanks finally sees Luffy again he is going to ask Zoro to join his crew

[@peroperic1251]

He needs one good swords man... XD

[@thechiel3004]

Good bait bro

[@Kujakuseki01]

Lololol

[@laworder6637]

Not gonna happen zolo has too many L’s

[@tharunsankar5568]

😂😂😂

[@Steven-zf8io]

One piece isn't the kind of story where you can just bracket strength. It's way more nuance than people wanna admit. "King shouldn't have lost his sword to a MERE 16th commander" yeah okay buddy. Except we don't actually know how strong Izo is, lack of shown accomplishment and battle prowess doesn't equate to non whatsoever. "Apu shouldn't have hurt luffy and zoro" why, because YOU didn't want that? He has a devil fruit which we didn't know the limitations to yet. Powerscalers just ruin their experience with the story because of their own preconceived notions. If King lost to Zoro 1v1 I bet those same people would love that shit but if it were Izo they would rage about how that shouldnt be possible even though Izo is older and has had more experience fighting in a yonkos crew. Actually asinine. Just take the story as is.

[@Giyuu_YT]

Exactly man

[@swifttheconquer4854]

THANK YOU ONE PIECE IS THE ONLY ANIME THATS BEEN GOING ON 20 years and ALL THE TOP PEOPLE THAT HASNT SHOWED THEY STRENGH WE JUST GETTING WORKED UP CUZ WE FINALLY ABOUT TO SEE EVERYBODY LEVEL

[@dubbgaminglee3863]

I get what your saying but izo beating king would be baloney while Zoro beating him would make sense since he is always a step behind Luffy while being a step above Sanji. Izo having more experience in the new world than Zoro is pointless when you have a group call the worst generation collecting power fast on the rise to becoming top tier in their verse Luffy is 19 and beats up guys in their 40's while being weaker than them at the time Ex: crocodile, doflomingo, katakuri

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Faulty comment. You absolutely can do that in One Piece. We didn't see an actual fight between Izo and King, so no matter what series it was, anything like that would not be conclusive. You people try so hard to make it sound more nuance than it is. The only nuance is match-up.

[@Shark-hn4mv]

@@dubbgaminglee3863, thank you. People don't seem to realize that series are made into Shonen so the characters can get away with being powerful so quickly.

[@elijah8987]

Zoro is the right hand, first mate and vice-captain. No debate 🤦‍♂️

[@ricardocorreia2542]

right hand and first made yes, but not vice-captain

[@uranolodo3280]

there is no vice captain on the ship, it’s never stated outright by Luffy only by characters who know nothing about the Straw Hats and Bartolomeo who even says he’s not sure, the first mate has many roles on the ship and in the Straw Hats they all kind of play a part they don’t run on a hierarchy.

[@TheKxc]

Ricardo Correia how are they not synonymous?

[@goldmo2427]

First mate means vice captain lol

[@alanbrad4564]

I disagree. Brooke is the vise-captain, Coby is the first mate, and Luffy's right hand is the right hand.

[@Deadleigh925]

You spot on bruh, you don’t need to state who is the strongest outside of the Captain because it is always shown by how much attention they get or how much influence they have within the crew. This is a story, it’s not being written to even focus on who’s stronger than who most of the time, but Ota will give the second in command a lot more screen time than everyone else.

[@davesuvill1761]

Biggest plot twist. One piece is actually One Peace

[@mackONmaple]

Won peace

[@fredo8564]

Based on what Big Mom said to King, King isn't even a human?

[@MrMegaSuperDuperMe]

Well, those big wings on his back may or may not be decoration. Plus, he's covered head to toe in leather clothing. So we don't know what he looks like.

[@henrykasenburg1115]

Damn Shiryu didn’t make it on the thumbnail

[@eVill420]

he's invisible

[@francescoferro760]

Yeeeee

[@emperordrizzt2165]

He won’t and can’t kill Hawkeye

[@gregorywright9971]

Isn’t it there job to kill the members that run. So that would be why Marcus told Ace to stand down because pops told him to and said chasing Black beard would cause more issues knowing he took one of Rocks fruit.

[@sonzhu5984]

King is to Kaidou exactly like Katakuri to Big Mom: quietly making sure everything is ok while captain trying to party. Although character wise I like Queen, Whos Who and Ulti, King is defenitely the most competent and reliable one in the crew AND YES, the Izou scene doesnt mean shit but a suprise moment. About Kaidou, I really believe he has grown to be careless even when he could do something ( letting Luffy punch him down ) I would too if I know that I can't die anyway at the end of the day

[@jopoulard]

Why can’t we just say izo did a smart move and not over react

[@trevon444]

I hope oda gives us zoro vs king, Marco vs king would be cool but why give King a sword if not for a zoro matchup? Zoro hasn’t been tested post time skip yet

[@fabricefidegnon485]

The First commanders that we haven’t seen in action are gonna get the zero squad treatment at this rate🤣

[@lekanosagie]

Lmaaao anything but that 😂😂😂

[@shanmuganathan947]

a treatment like ichibei would be nice anything other than that will make me cry

[@alexcruz8024]

Oda is bringing back the Whitebeard pirates to setup the black beard arc. After this, Marco will warm the straw hats about the dangers of Blackbeard just like Shanks warned the world government of a certain pirate. I believe the WB faction will be ready for that day.

[@carpetjuise]

Numbers don’t matter on Whitebeards ship, he put a 500 mil Ace “above” Jozu and Vista who are both arguably better than Ace

[@raystowers1670]

I agree. Ace always been mad overrated imo

[@seank3336]

Yer I was always thinking ace isn’t that strong. I thought he could beat sweet general 3 because his devil fruit gives him an advantage because he could burn the biscuits

[@hotshotsongohan2898]

I disagree with u. Poor Ace who got seriously injured after losing to Blackbeard Pirates, sent to Impel Down, tortured and left starving...how could he put a good fight in Marinford with that condiotions?

[@hotshotsongohan2898]

@@raystowers1670 He's clearly wounded and weakened.

[@carpetjuise]

MUHAMMAD 'IFWAT BIN PAKRUZZAMAN I wouldn't even say Ace is better than Sanji or Zoro, his devil fruit post time skip seems useless, Haki exists and literally anyone can create fire plus fire isnt that damaging in One Piece combat anyways, Jozu is seemingly impenetrable and Vista is a great swordsman that put up a good duel with Mihawk, both of them are miles ahead of Ace

[@stewmzhimself3907]

Bro I really enjoy your videos. Lets give it up for BDA Law for keeping us fans well fed and coming back!! Good job brobeans!! You're my One Piece aniki

[@new777new3]

Lol I just realized that queen and king have a combo attack lol listen king Flys and drops queen like a bomb lol like he did to big mom 😆 (king calls it massive ass airstrike)

[@dadi5458]

😂😂 queen would name it bomb cracker or someshit 😂

[@Shellshock39]

This community confuses me. As soon as a strong character shows even a hint of vulnerability, they're considering trash and weak. People were calling Kaido trash when Luffy hit him with an elephant gun.

[@emperordrizzt2165]

I know but Mihawk is Yonko level and it’s a fact

[@LordMasterJin]

Please pay respect to the Mega Church of Katakuri!!!!

[@nejiloto]

The Second Son

[@oomar4597]

amen

[@TheMixni]

Nice analysis. I agree that people hype up some character to much and when Oda doesn't make them god like they all start to rage. Even when they do a small mistake. Oda definitely shows us the most competent and strongest of each crew. So I think it's okay in that regard. People just need to stop setting unreasonable expectations. I'd like to know what do you think about the Straw hats with Jimbei added to them. But actually maybe we should wait until the end of the Wano arc and see if someone joins and the new big 3 power is shown. I personally think that Zoro and Sanji will be mostly equal they were always shown like that pre time-skip. After it we never saw a good moment from either of them: Sanji kept getting L and Zoro never took his fights seriously, plus neither of them went all out. With Jimbei idk know yet. He is definitely a heavy hitter but he will most likely be bellow Zoro and Sanji, since they are technically Luffy's right and left hands respectfully. But Oda can always surprise us. I just wanna see all of them going all out.

[@monkeydee]

Agree with you man

[@MrMegaSuperDuperMe]

Y'all remember when Zoro got stabbed by Killer when he wasn't paying attention to Gyukimaru and everybody started raging?

[@Rich-kq6cw]

Jimbei is stronger than the other 2... easily

[@TheMixni]

@@MrMegaSuperDuperMe yep. That's a good example.

[@TheMixni]

@@Rich-kq6cw from what we saw it's possible. But that's why I said we need to see them go all out this arc. I'm just saying that Zoro and Sanji will most likely be stronger (in the future no doubt) since they are Luffy's right and left hands. But we will see. Oda can change things. But with what we saw currently, Jinbey definitely is no pushover and even his bounty is second in the crew currently.

[@Flower-.-]

i like ur videos because u take things logically and not overhype everything like others. u also make many valid points so ty for the vids

[@cadaval12]

Tbh, I really think King and Queen are supposed to be equal. Just think about it - King fights in the air, Queen fights in the ground; They both are the higher card in the deck; They're always arguing, just like Sanji and Zoro. Just like Sanji represents speed and Zoro strenght, I think King represents speed and Queen strenght. And I honestly think ppl dont appreciate Katakuri enough. In a fight betweent Katakuri and King, I would put all my money on Katakuri. Could be wrong tho

[@wiillyxX]

If King skill set is based on speed won’t he have the upper hand agains katakuri. Oda already showed that speed can still beat advanced observation and king got an ancient Zoan df and katakuri will get worn out in a long fight due to king’s enhanced durability

[@laworder6637]

Nah! My money on (KING THE WILD FIRE)

[@cadaval12]

@@wiillyxX That's a good point, but just remember how Katakuri handled very well luffy's speed. The advantage of luffy it wasn't speed alone, it was the fact that his arms would stretch infinitly until he hits him

[@triplethreat8405]

I agree. Also I think if Katakuri was as brutal as they are, his bounty would be higher than theirs.

[@cadaval12]

@@triplethreat8405 bountys doesn't tell the strenght of a character, just how much of trouble they made in the world. A pure example of that is Luffy who got way stronger after the time skip, but only when he did something did the bounty go up. Katakuri doesn't get higher bounty because he's mainly almost of the time eating Donuts, lmao

[@JJDALEX]

Random theory: kaido-BM alliance was sealed because kaido gave king to BM for her collection

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Pretty sure it makes more sense that Kaido told BM what the WG is doing and his plan to counter them. He even said they'd fight each other after their alliance succeeds.

[@Castle963147]

The issue is the bounty gap between Luffy and Zoro/Sanji/Jimbei whoever is too high. If we want Zoro to be acknowledged truly as a first commander his bounty by end of wano has to be at least 800,000 beli. Wano is the arc which will portray a huge character development for Zoro, with the explanation of the Black Blades and probably Zoro vs X would allow him to forge his very own first Black Blade (Vs Pica was a first development process).

[@revenantronin8377]

The beast pirates actually have a system of ranking their members' STRENGTH period! Portrayal or leadership is not needed specifically because the strong members were all once captains(leadership is already there) HOWEVER The WB pirates had a family thing going where the father's bias played a major role even if the commanders deserved their spots! Ace was not his right hand but he wished Ace would be his successor, he made Odin his right hand in the short time they knew each other even though there were other candidates for the spot before Odin even joined! He got stabbed by his 'son' because he felt left out and there is BB; Blackbeard was a long time member of the crew and not even WB knew his strength nor the danger he posed. Even after he killed a crewmate, WB did not seek justice not because he couldn't but simply because he didn't love both parties as much to chase the killer. Even when Shanks warned him about the threat BB could pose, he made nothing of it just because he didn't care... I guess all I'm trying to point out is the fact that Commanders' ranks do not always mean strength alone. Big mom ranks her commanders based on how USEFUL they are, Kaido ranks his commanders based on how STRONG they are, SHANKS ranks his commanders probably on how RELIABLE they and Whitebeard ranked his commanders based on how LOVABLE they were. Now if you understand all this, It's not too absurd for Izo to match King in a 1v1 since King is the strongest commander on his crew currently making him the Right Hand and Izo was not very much loved back when he was on WB's ship making him a low ranked commander even if he was one of the strongest.

[@revenantronin8377]

FACT: KING is winning against IZO in a 1v1 but not unscathed When WB fell the WB pirates individually were left with 2 choices, grow stronger or decline just like Luffy had to choose when he regained consciousness. Marco tasted immediate defeat after trying to fill the void WB left and so he took a long break to better himself while Izo, Vista, and thems were spread out at sea doing God knows what to get stronger in hopes of 1 day taking revenge on BB. You can't say Izo is weak based on the old Izo we've seen alone, King, on the other hand, is well known to be a monster who has been acknowledged by BIG MOM as well as KAIDO... just like KATAKURI, he is definitely gonna play a major role in this arc

[@wpower7435]

@@revenantronin8377 King will definitely be a powerhouse.

[@revenantronin8377]

@@wpower7435 Most definitely! He will be a pain to deal with lol.

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Whitebeard did care. He told Ace that it worried him and therefore to leave it alone. He just was putting up a front to Shanks. He did the same when he arrived at Marineford and pretended that he sent Ace.

[@revenantronin8377]

@@Shark-hn4mv Exactly, he did care about 'ACE' and not very much about Blackbeard and his sin. He literally doomed his entire fleet just to save the 1 kid but did not send out a crew at least to hunt down Blackbeard to begin with... Ace set out to hunt Teach on his own because he valued his men equally just like LUFFY whereas WB's only flaw when it came to handling his fleet was being unconsciously biased and paying less attention to his "sons" when FAMILY is the whole theme of his brand. For ACE, it was like Ussop killing Jimbei for a devil fruit, do you think Luffy would sit around and do nothing? The reason why I pointed out WB's flaw was to backup Izo as a strong guy even though he was low ranked. Izo as a character was not recruited by WB, he only tagged along to protect his Lord and when the time came he chose to stay as a pirate because he had made new friends... It's not surprising for him to not strife for a higher rank with his strength considering WB probably didn't pay much attention to him anyway

[@joachimstamm5857]

Hey BDA. I think what could be added is that Izo being the 16th commander doesnt imply a level of strength because it could just be a chronological reason. After all, the 16th division could just be the last on founded. So at the time WB had the crew size it got necessary to form a 16th division Izo was the one chosen.

[@ShanksLeRoux_1]

I like how Shiryu is invisible in the video thumbnail.

[@WolfX48]

In the straw hats its like obvious that Zoro is luffy's right hand, however I feel that he is lacking certain skills that would make him a proper vice captain. Dont be mistaken I like Zoro and he definitely have the strength and competence for that position, but if you compare him to someone like Jinbe, Zoro is lacking certain traits compare to him.

[@WolfX48]

@@Its_Dhruvik Well thats true, wouldn't mind if nami became the vice captain

[@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979]

Ah yes my favourite one piece character white bread

[@kristophertamarra5754]

When it comes to the izo and king, red scabbards and Kaido moment we have to take into account the element of surprise and what effect that has on will. I believe that it keeps getting driven home that will power is ultimately the true strength. Kaido's will is broken down by the imagery and nostalgia of the scabbards that they very may well cut him.

[@a_jerry808]

I think the main thing to take away is that king was caught slipping. That doesn't make him weak or Izo ridiculously strong. Sanji got taken out by kalifa so that doesn't mean he's weak. It's just the situation characters are in.

[@varunnarayanswamy8084]

I do wonder if Roger had other "major" commanders. We've met some powerful figures from him crew, whether that's Oden, Nekomamushi and Inurashi and others but nobody stands out like Rayleigh. From the interaction with whitebeards crew Rayleigh and Gaban did give off the vibe of a Zoro and Sanji so maybe Gaban is that figure but it's really hard to tell. I wish we got more with their crew, such as more recruitment and character dev for the crew, but obviously there is a lot to be covered in the manga already and that might be another tale for later.

[@Kujakuseki01]

People caring this much about the Izo King thing...the element of surprise played a big part. It’s a big deal that they got the drop on them and panels like that communicated that to the reader.

[@robinmkimanzi]

I was looking for this comment

[@MrMegaSuperDuperMe]

Right? If it was Katakuri in this situation, he'd just look into the future. That's the only reason why Katakuri would be able to react. And as far as we're aware, only Katakuri has that Future Haki. Not even the Yonko themselves have it. Besides Luffy, of course.

[@bomboclat4817]

Oda draws third commanders really big (Jozu,Jack,Cracker in his biscuit form, Lucky Roo) the second commanders always have a tattoo (Smoothie has one on the leg, Queen has one on the arm just like Yasopp and Ace)

[@FinixX-07]

Lucky Roo is the second commander not third and you will see

[@williamsodonon7081]

There's only so much one man can do. Badman Katakuri is the perfect example. He showed the competence of a vice captain since the moment he was introduced but the strawhats escaped.

[@Chritin]

9 months later and king fans like myself are still desperately waiting...

[@stephendoyle6287]

Personally I would love king's bounty to be less than the other 2 as a way of Oda shocking the fan base. He may not have the strength in a way but is the Mastermind in using all the pieces. In chess the king is valuable but also not the strongest piece when attacking the rest is there to protect it

[@wpower7435]

Not have the strength? *King attacked Big Mom's ship one of the largest ships in the series we've seen far, he kicked it the air like it was nothing and doing that requires sheer strength King has it*

[@illenessOne]

Beats pirate= devil fruit, strength and durability. Shanks pirates: haki and speed. Big mom pirate: devil fruit and somewhat haki. Blackbeard pirates: devil fruits, stealth, strength and arrogance. Luffy pirates : strength, haki, and speed.

[@aasthasingh9854]

Just say strawhat pirates☠ what even is luffy pirates

[@markjosephyap4447]

I think crew dynamic is important in the analysis. Luffys main crew is meant to be the core and most capable members in their roles. Might be pretentious but each will eventually have to face off with their respective counterparts in the black beard pirates. I compare commanders to Luffys grand fleet commanders. Thats probably why the white beards are confusing in that the main crew members became fleet commanders. Interesting topic.

[@yteriaereh6467]

What, no, I'm sorry, The Charlotte family is still the most powerful emperor crew, even going against a fully capable Whitebeard Crew. 90% of the crew are highly skilled DF users. All of them are highly skilled at Haki. And Big Mom can create a tireless army of soul minions to wear down any crew.

[@eVill420]

tell that to Oda.

[@yteriaereh6467]

@@eVill420 Like the Book guy said, only the Pirate King would have been capable of invading WCI and possibly getting out alive. There only loss was to goddamn Joy Boy. I don't blame them.

[@eVill420]

@@yteriaereh6467 Joy Boy was 900 years ago

[@wingu1956]

no big mom and kaido have weakest yonko crews

[@kiddprodigy636]

Why do I have a feeling when Blackbeard sees zoro again he’s gonna ask him to join his crew.

[@souleymaneniang1115]

I like how people easily said that katakuri or king were above marco before wano and then changes their mind

[@BMXK-jx1bi]

I think all of whitebeard a commanders are tough but some def are above the rest and the others were just to show whitebeards massive family, and Oda may not have known what he was gonna do with izo so he didn’t give him a high number originally like maybe in hindsight he would be the 6th commander or something

[@facundosaavedra760]

Wow. That’s reference about Shanks asking Marco to join his crew and how big mom asked king the same thing. That is gold. Do you think that is foreshadowing kiados demise, just as it did for white beards????????

[@juliusjuukulius850]

Zoro is gonna be so strong when he shows his true strength and that's just hype!!

[@vibewithshack6176]

Do you guys think zoro will be named vice captain on the strawhats ?

[@alltimellow]

I know it doesn't tell you everyone's bounty but that is how I like to rank people

[@luckytenor34]

Is it bad that I partially followed for your content and mostly for your opening song lmaooooo

[@Wildcard777]

I still think Nekomamushi disarming Kaido was a much bigger feat than Izou shooting Kings sword.

[@nintendu64]

The division number may not matter but you just have to take into account the lower the number the more senior they are aka the more experience they probably have in battle especially high level battles directly with WB.

[@mnm1273]

Are you sure about that? I think that when a fleet leader is lost they're replaced by the most competent willing non fleet leader. Which means the numbers don't line up with experience

[@ralphsanchez6713]

Well a clear example of this is BB crew, i mean we all know fucking Burguess is not the strongets BB pirates member not even close... and yet he is BB first division commander, so marco just happened to be the first commander of WB and also the strongest, maybe it was a coincidence

[@dadi5458]

What if burguess gets a powerful devil fruit while hunting for some ,the gum gum fruit will look good on him 👀

[@Michael-zt9ik]

Even if Izo isn’t as strong as king that doesn’t mean he can’t disarm him. That’s never how fights work in real life. Queen could have legit killed big mom if he wanted to but then there wouldn’t be a better story with her still being around would there? Just wait until the next chapter ppl don’t freak out ha.

[@scxiao]

Whitebeard 2nd divison commander spot was empty for a long time, there is a reason for that and why Whitebeard didn't just promote all the commanders one step and have an empty spot for the 16th commander instead..

[@EK-on3hw]

The thumbnail straight 🔥🔥🔥 bro

[@niherwitsmallnuts5167]

I think commander goes to the people the captain trusts more and ofc the ones that can hold their own at least

[@manuelahe_]

I think people need to realize and *understand*: we are in the big leagues here guys. This is the level, its not childsplay anymore. We are playing on the field where commanders are the minimum for significance, cause anyone else isn't even an ant in the view of the story. There's thousands of mutant zoan fruit users in this beast pirates crew that would have likely been big bosses in the old blues and the early story archs, and they are nothing to us, NOTHING. They don't matter. There are mutant giants of walking destruction, and they are at the bottom of our list of real honest problems in the story. This is another league, it's true, but that means that while it's another playing field itself, *it's still a plane*. This is just the top tier, and everyone playing in it have worked hard to be there. They are all capable of affecting anyone at this point. The only safe bet we have now is that an Emperor or the Fleet Admiral will likely only fall to someone of an equal title, or an army of equal talent. It make perfect sense that Izo could catch King off guard and disarm him, why would he even be here at this point if he wasn't audacious and capable enough to do something like that.

[@agathajohannbuenorosa175]

I think that in the future, under similar circumstances, Usopp would be able to do the exactly same thing, with Shiryu, for example. Very few people will take a weapon to a fight with Devil Fruit / Haki, so when someone uses one, that someone will probably use it with extreme proficiency

[@jamainebuzzar671]

Nothing people say will convince me that the Commander numbers of Whitebeard Crew doesn't signifies power. Let's be honest; after the 5th division Commander (Vista) they become less significant further down the line...

[@Abdulrahman-du9hy]

Why in one piece the commanders are cooler than the captains

[@Giova-xe2kz]

that's why Zoro is my favourite character

[@animeboy4745]

I love your videos, you always discuss your ideas in lucid, articulate manner.

[@MrDragonkarp]

1st commanders to me are close to admiral lvl but definitely lose 1v1 high diff

[@jaceprince5385]

i think thats an accurate representation

[@gabenarab4872]

Low-midd diff

[@cooljo5881]

I think they lose against an admiral mid-diff.

[@MrDragonkarp]

@@cooljo5881 I would say 2-3commanders lose mid diff. That's the difference between 1YC>2-3YC

[@shay_3859]

Admirals can 1 shot any 1st commanders except Marco and Benn Beckmann. Stop underestimating admirals, they are either equal to or greater than Emperors as they are clearly portrayed that way, AND are end game enemies. Plus Admirals were shown to be on par with Roger and Whitebeard back in the day (Garp and Sengoku). Even Coby wants to be an Admiral to fight Luffy (the future pirate king) and Roger and Whitebeard were stronger than all emperors so Admirals > Yonkou

[@FragMaster93]

The key point is that first commanders getting sucker punched is something that their character/position should not work on, the big previous examples are marco and the the seastone handcuff, and Zoro and the yeti cool brothers. Both situations they got torn apart at the time and it still marks them to this day with perception. If the right hand can get caught tripping seemingly so easily how can they stand up when the time is right, but they are still "human", Katakuri epitomises this as he is seen as perfect to his family and he made the point to show he is not flawless and this applies to everyone the we as the audience just don't see.

[@janthilakawardana5544]

The disrespect (!) of not including Jesus Burgess...is understandable

[@DanielKeithMorrison]

heals memory also is powerful enough to engulfs Pikas whole body. Just pointing that out from our sanji pika point 10 mins in.

[@goldmo2427]

Brago -Marco been portrayed as the strongest jozu - I made a admiral bleed while Marco has clashes and admirals are left without scratches and I lead the fighting division .. and been hyped as a fighter

[@Usernameping]

I see what you’re saying. Straw Hat Commander Brownbeard is clearly on the same level as Marco.

[@ryanalexander6300]

In regards to skills and status...even Michael Jordan got blocked. Just because you have higher status doesn't mean you're untouchable. Yonkou/First Commanders have more skill and status, but it doesn't mean that they can't get caught offguard. Or even outdone by a newcomer....

[@Orca472]

I feel like white beard just put all of his high level crew members in a commander position, but with other crews like the big mom pirates she has much more powerful non commanders at her disposal such as Oven, perospero, daifuku, and a bunch more of her children. And kaido on the other hand has members like the flying six and his headliners. Then there’s shanks who seems to not have any fodder crew mates.

[@traeviengreen5366]

I love these longer videos

[@deruje6289]

idk why people think when ben stopped kizaru that he was trolling cos if kizaru knew he’d stomp whoever was pointing the gun at him.. he wouldn’t have stopped going after luffy.. and going after luffy and ace were their main goal.. put some respek on my boy ben beckman name

[@ban1621]

“Big mom was an s lever threat, what ever the fuck that means!” Lmfao

[@jimmicrackhead12]

You are only a commander if you command people. Marco commands a fleet so we can say he is a commander, Zoro commands nothing so he is just a crew but maybe you can call him first mate or something. Shanks crew probably doesnt command anything either I would say

[@warcrabcyber9908]

First commander has a high expectation to live up to, and each yonkou first commander so far have lived up to their name except for burgess. My favorite first commander so far is offcourse katakuri, followed by Marco. As for the older generation, Rayleigh is beyond all the current yonkou first commanders. The things Rayleigh did so early on in the series is extremely advanced. Even when Luffy was in udon , he was trying to figure out what Rayleigh did. Rayleigh fired haki from his hand like a hadouken. Rayleigh is severely underestimated sometimes

[@latheefrayyan8674]

This is why grandline review said that there is no powerscaling in onepiece

[@Human_traain]

Sanji strenght comes from keeping luffy out of the kitchen when he wants to steal food

[@vishnucharan1304]

Really great video but you could have included Zoro and fujitora clash as an example

[@ruebuh]

Dude if Yamato does join the Strawhats would be super stacked. Luffy, Yamato, Jimbei, Zoro, all those seem to be hard to know who is actually stronger for now.

[@devonrounds5583]

you forgot Sanji 😑

[@ruebuh]

@@devonrounds5583 Sanji for sure slightly weaker

[@dabitdavo]

There are no pwer levels in OP. Still a fun video to watch/listen

[@joshgeneblazo7042]

you should do a video comparing naruto and one piece power scaling and which does it better and maybe compare top tier characters from both shows

[@antoniolopez7292]

Rayleigh wasn’t a first commander , he was a vice Captain, so is Benn beck man, he’s not a commander he’s a vice Captain

[@oussamalimouni8757]

Not everyone will be able to obtain future sight no matter how much you train your fs you just might be a armement haki charecters in luffys case hes just the future pirate king it makes sence for him to literally get any power up that he can

[@brandonlilly5739]

The names of the top 3 of roger shows their strength in my opinion. Gol(d), silver, and (s)copper.

[@thekillereflection0124]

Zoro will refuse to become the first commander of the crew because he wants to be known as strongest swordsman in the world.

[@dadonezirovic9227]

Is it just me , or does BDA look like a One Piece Andre Iguduodala??? 😂😂😂

[@zabouza146]

Kizaru was kinda meming with each of those commanders tho.