The Most Average PC 2022

[@horuslupercal3872]

I have a feeling the majority of these 1650 that steam reports are from laptops, as all the popular entry and affordable laptops have 1650s

[@DarkestKnightshade]

It's really sad that the 1650 is considered the average considering I've found so many 3050 ti laptops for cheap.

[@hailgod1]

yep, therefore the 3060 is actually the most popular, because they split it up this year.

[@mrpiratefox4497]

@@DarkestKnightshade i mean the only saving grace of the laptop 3050 is DLSS, its still limited to 4gb of vram compared to the 1660/ti laptops and specially the 3060 laptops

[@mrducky179]

@@DarkestKnightshade 3050 laptops aren't cheap everywhere, i love in india and they are usually and 1k usd thereabouts, whereas a 1650 laptop can be had for just 600

[@Smile.911]

Even if it's cheap people don't upgrade all that often

[@Na0uta]

the avg going down is crazy, you'd think so many years later we would have a big step forward.

[@volvo09]

I am surprised. I really thought something like a GTX 1070 8gb would have moved up to the top spot, especially with them being roughly $100 to 150 used.

[@TheZoenGaming]

It's because there are many more gamers now who got a PC during the Scalper War.

[@poochyenarulez]

there will probably be a big change next month with GPU prices having gone way down.

[@KikiAelita]

I wonder how much of this is due to economic hardship in existing markets, how much is due to gaming emerging in new markets with less economic resources to begin with (developing countries in South America, Africa, or South East Asia etc), and how much (lol) is people realizing that it doesn't need to require what the cutting edge looks like now to make a really great gaming experience.

[@RMSLtnick]

well the thing is... the GTX 1060 was eventually avaialble for that oh so sweet 200 bucks mark... finding a DECENT, ACTUALLY MIDRANGE GPU for 200 us hasnt really happened since.. so when the current "midrange" is actually low end in sheeps clothing the average becomes... you guessed it worse (if only marginally and tbf the 0.1 and 0.01% fps numbers went up due to faster CPUS) THAT BEING SAID... buying USED at the 600US for just the system should be pretty fun nowadays

[@StaviKay]

5:48 yet another demonstration of Linus' brilliant dropping skills

[@andrejohn9104]

amazing

[@madnessofmen]

Another episode of linus drop tips

[@mr.atombomb8014]

I think he may have shattered the side panel if you listen closely at 6:50

[@halowize]

Another entry for Linus dropping things in 2023 compilation.

[@DekkarJr]

drop it like its hot

[@jakubblaha4904]

I wouldnt say the "average GPU" went down in power. GTX 1060 was simply very VERY popular and once people start upgrading (be it to new or used), they disappeared into the void like cotton candy in water, some to 2060, some to 2070, some to Super variants, some to 3050, some to 3050Ti, some to 3060....which ended up putting 1650 as "most popular" because no GPU properly picked up this lower end segment.

[@Carnology]

That's not really accurate. The GTX1650 was relaunched by nVidia during the GPU shortage and is still sold today by major outlets, many people buy it because it is significantly cheaper than a high end 30 series card and offers good performance in most popular titles.

[@goncalomoura9816]

@@Carnology He's kinda right, but I also think people buy it because they are misled by the low 75W TDP when in reality an RTX 4090 or RX 6950 XT use even less power than a GTX 1650 at the same 1080p settings with locked FPS, and also because people like to cheap out on the power supply, and assume you need an high end one to run a midrange GPU when in fact you can get away with a good quality 400/500W PSU even for high end cards.

[@borademiray1997]

I think the main reason why the GPU shows up as GTX 1650 is because since the 1000 series, there are no more mobile variants (minus the max-p and max-q variants) and many cheaply priced laptops kids play on seem to have GTX 1650 in them. Reckon this is a result of a bunch of gaming laptops swarming the survey.

[@mryellow6918]

instead of this they should have done a video on what is the average performing gaming system is, where you convert all the gpus/ cpus on the list to a performance metric ( probs an average of a few games ) then average that data with the percent of people with the different systems, then pick the gpu that performs the closest to what ever the average is.

[@jakubblaha4904]

@@mryellow6918 I would definitely watch it if they do this

[@Voltaic_Fire]

This should be a yearly thing. I enjoy knowing this information, it's right up there with building the Steam system survey.

[@joshjlmgproductions3313]

I doubt the entire survey results change enough within only 1 year to make this an annual upload.

[@thienphucvu9654]

@@joshjlmgproductions3313 maybe 2 year?

[@axipher]

0:59 I love the "built-in (intelligence chip name) chip" that they put in their chargers, really makes me feel warm and fuzzies for a brand when their marketing can't even make up names for things properly

[@seifenspender]

Wow, nice catch!

[@bodhum]

LOLW, authentic Chyneese experience

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Amazon is full of these. It all is the same cheap-o Shenzen OEM design with a different label. Which is a serious problem. It is a black box. Sometimes you get somethin better than some premium chargers imcluded with big brands and sometimes they are dangerous crap with lacking important security circuits. Then there is the whole mess about counterfeits. And real brands fucking up once they earned themselves a good name. I was a big fan of Syncwire back when they made cables that lasted for years and even delivered a free new one when you break them due to stupidity like tripping over the cable. Did some reviews back then even. Now they are bottom of the barrel quality.

[@bigbubba0439]

Bro I didn't even notice that lol. I just skip the sponsors most of the time. That's why I don't buy from KZbin sponsors, especially since a lot of them tend to be scams

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

@@bigbubba0439 - hey you can totally use a high quality Kamikoto knife to slice through a certificate that declares you to be a Scottish lord. 11/10 legitimacy!

[@derf5045]

at first i was like "700$ ???? i paid around 600$ for my 10400f rtx 2060 build" then i remembered i already had a monitor, keyboard and mouse and i also tried to not spend too much on my case

[@raikitsunagi]

Who needs a case, when all you need is a motherboard box 🤔

[@Karv3r]

@@raikitsunagi I don't know, a large pizza box sounds like a nice investment

[@raikitsunagi]

@@Karv3r imagine being rich enough to buy PC parts *and* a large pizza smh

[@derf5045]

@@raikitsunagi put your standoffs in the wall smh

[@kyles8524]

in all fairness a 40 dollar case works just fine, as long as it can house a 120mm fan in front and back your good to go.

[@matthewbyrne2755]

You Could Almost Call it the "nPC"

[@Caporal_Hicks]

Non Playable Computer 💀

[@nicofischer788]

You need ryzen 5 5600+rx 6650 xt, at least for ultra graphics at 1080p resolution. This is bare minimum for gaming. 15 days of salary in the USA is enough to buy it.😁🤣😄

[@fenixspider5776]

@@nicofischer788 ah yes the advantages of living in a first world country

[@nicofischer788]

@@fenixspider5776 I'm not from USA. I live in Europe little country Georgia. Average salary is $200 month. People in my country paying credit 2-3 years for iPhone.✅🤑🤞💲🤣🤗🤏😱😂😁😁

[@waynebutane1338]

@@fenixspider5776 Trust me, there is plenty of people living in first world countries that can't afford much more than rent, food, and what they need to live.

[@lukemielty]

Only Linus can somehow manage having 3 sponsors in the same video

[@WayStedYou]

Regular TV has entered the chat

[@techworks.]

yeah

[@Iambestforreal]

linus moment

[@KrakkenXXX]

Yeah greedy asf all he thinks about is taking more money from the viewers. Makes a easy cozy life for him atleast right?

[@sj-red]

@@KrakkenXXX taking more money from the viewers? 😂 you pay for sponsor spots do you? So entitled, it costs money to plan, record and edit videos so of course they’re going to make as much as possible

[@atomicgearworks]

I suspect the increase in the 1650 popularity is also related to the suspected increase in laptop usage for gaming. A lot of gamer-branded laptops under $1000 are using the 1650.

[@robertopazsoldan9641]

I have a nitro 5 1650 and i can play elden ring on high 1080p 60 fps is an awesome game i love my 1650.

[@MiDLiFECRYSiS]

​@@robertopazsoldan9641 I have a Victus 15 with it and it's the same deal. Thing runs great for my needs on a laptop. I'm not here to push crazy graphic settings for that. Will satisfy my needs until I can build a rig when I move to a bigger place

[@Garykun_]

i have a 1650 in a laptop it works great 700$ for it total

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

It isn't. It specifies which ones are laptop versions.

[@The-Singularity-X01]

@@theindooroutdoorsman Yeah and BECAUSE they are in laptops, they are shit. Seriously mine has a 1650 and it gets thermal throttled so hard by the terrible cooling of the laptop. I can only 'just about' run No Man's Sky on low settings comfortably. Instant I turn it up though, it lags worse than pig shit smells.

[@nathanforrester5140]

I LOVE when people come to my shop with a list like this because it gives me a chance to save them from such a HORIBLE build. I normally get them in an i5 or Ryzen 5 with a Rx6600 and a 144hz 24 inch gaming monitor for around $800 to $850. I encourage them to save a few hundred more so they can move up to a 6700 xt or 6750 xt. That move up really gives that build more life.

[@bigbubba0439]

I have a 5600x and 6700 xt, and I can verify that it is a beast of a build. I paid a bit more for better-looking components, so my build isn't the cheapest you can get the parts, but still a great combo (and you MUST have every one of those 12 gigs of vram, since I've used up to 11.8 gigs while playing Microsoft Flight Simulator. If you're playing games like that, a 6700 xt is a must even if it's just for the vram)

[@beseakos]

Honestly the jump from the normal 6600 to the XT or the 6650XT is worth. Upgraded my 4GB RX570 to a Red Devil 6600XT and oh boy it’s way better for less than a 3050 in my region.

[@phoenixyt124]

Rx is fucking cancer get a 3060 or Ti.

[@beseakos]

@@phoenixyt124 regional pricing is a thing. A 3060 costs 30% more here in the EU for the same performance in non-rt and workstation applications. It’s not worth the extra if you are playing in 1080p. Especially because neither the 3060 or the equivalent radeon card can play RT in acceptable quality and framerates. The budget consciois option is always buying used though, but buying brand new it’s really not an option to go for nvidia at that price range with local availability and pricing in mind.

[@JawKnee86]

​@@bigbubba0439 I second the implication that GPUs should have more VRAM. 8 gigs is not enough, and it hasn't been enough since the 1080 came out. I easily use all my VRAM without even adding mods to most games, but forget about it when I do.

[@j.m.mendez6091]

As the owner of a Lenovo Legion 5 with a ryzen 7 4800h / gtx 1650 combo I can say that so far it has been able to run pretty much everything I throw at it. Totally recommended if you, like me live in a 3rd world country where everything is hella more expensive and the idea of been able to play any games at all at 720p - 1080p sounds attractive to you.

[@arvindraghavan403]

Its understandable. But i would rather suggest peeps to get Rx5500m, 6600m laptop or 3050 atleast. i also live in 3rd world country as per westerners terminology Xd. i have an 1650 laptop and Rx5500m one aswell. and my god was i surprised how good the 5500m really is. compares equally to a 3050. i saw so many mixed reviews about it. but its well better than 1650 tbh. i got mine for 600bucks. MSI brvao 15 with ryzne 5600h, 512gb ssd, rx5500m, 8gb ram & 144hz screen

[@j.m.mendez6091]

@@arvindraghavan403 600 bucks? That's a pretty good deal man. Was that brand new of refurbished? Here in DR that's what you would pay for a good, office laptop with integrated graphics and not near as good screen.

[@anibus8315]

why would you get a laptop starting with really low specs, is pc building a dead business

[@mudit1]

​@@anibus8315mostly college students buys gaming laptops

[@eggtarts286]

Because you can't lug even an ITX, screen and keyboard everywhere and also expect to have decent power everywhere you find space to work in. You don't buy a gaming laptop because you want to squeeze 40 minutes of elden ring out at your university canteen, you buy it because your computer has to spend the day in five different classrooms and then still return to the dorm for some heavy homework overnight.

[@owenmcalevey7206]

We need an "oldest pc" build

[@atharvabhosale3529]

Yessss it would be so fun

[@RealCyberCrime]

Windows 95 gaming pc lol

[@atharvabhosale3529]

@@RealCyberCrime that would be too easy something like oldest pc of this year a pc some one from the audience can easily build and they won't have to hunt for parts

[@MrDrewseph]

Plenty of people running old old stuff, for fun "Mac colour classic" is a thing, plenty of 486 dos boxes out there, and xp computers are popular again

[@Sossingro]

The "Turing" build

[@spazzypengin]

This build is VERY similar to my own. I went with the B660M DS3H because it was the cheapest option in stock back in February, and I went without a GPU until I could get a 6650XT for not extortionate prices back in September. Considering how casual my gaming is and we really only use it for doing stuff in the Cricut, it’s been more than adequate.

[@gretchman]

Having a museum of average gaming through the years, being able to go from station to station playing the most popular titles from the day would be so fun.

[@beseakos]

They did that once but I think we need a refresh of that video now.

[@randombrit13]

@@beseakos I think the one version of this that they did was dream rigs from each year. And the second part was super rushed, and kinda low quality.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And going through them to see how far back games are still playable. I mean, I played Doom 2016 on a 660 Ti and a Core 2 Quad and it was enjoyable enough. Obviously at low settings, because the 2013 midrange GPU isn't enough for that 2008 CPU

[@EdwinPohan]

Key takeaway for budget/bang-for-buck is that it’s important to find the balance of budget and what most people are running on their system so devs actually optimizes it for the hardware that would benefit you the most.

[@ty.davis3]

It's also to note that 26% of gamers have 8GB of VRAM, which might suggest that even though the most popular card is the 1650, the most average card would be something with 6 or 8GB of VRAM.

[@volkswagenginetta]

My guess is a lot of rx 570s and 580s due to then being on sale for less then 100 bucks on ebay and matching the 1650 in performance

[@ty.davis3]

@@volkswagenginetta Yeah that makes a lot of sense. The chart at 13:41 also shows that, even though dominated by Nvidia, the most popular performance isn't that much higher than the 1650 (the 1050ti is up there)

[@lifewhydoyoumockme]

Yes. To get a true average you'd have to dump all the entries in to excel and sort them by 3D mark score or something like that and then pick the median. Looking at how popular the 3060 laptop GPU is, I expect a true average desktop GPU is something around the GTX 2070 range.

[@GigaChadAlucard]

@@lifewhydoyoumockme ehhh i wouldnt say that gen of a gpu, unless talking 2060 instead. For alot of people the 20 series was a massive disappointment and either stuck with a 10 series or went to a 30 series. in fact of all the pc users in my area or that i know on discord, everyone either has a 10 series, 30 series, or an amd equivalent of either, only one person has something like a 2080 super. the 20 series seems to be forgotten to them

[@superpork1superboy771]

@@GigaChadAlucard I think what he's trying to say is that the average gpu performance would be around the performance of the 2070, not that the average card would actually be a 2070. I could be wrong, though.

[@brandinio]

I love how since Anker was dropped, Ugreen stepped up to the plate and took that opportunity real quick lol

[@ArturoTabera]

R.I.P. Anker! Long Live UGreen! At least until we know better. That's the circle of life now, i guess.

[@thebabno]

I was thinking the same thing. Shout out to Linus putting his money where his mouth was. On the podcast, he said he liked Anker but this is something that just has to happen.

[@nathansavage8692]

@@BahhBahhBrownSheep anker is the parent company for eufy, on WAN show, linus said they were done with them over the privacy scandal

[@MrChezco1995]

@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Anker's sub-brand, Eufy, did something stupid.

[@realmadru394]

@@BahhBahhBrownSheep The parent company lied about on of their security devices storing data locally. They talked about it in a couple of recent WAN shows.

[@zx-3948]

The GTX 1650 is also available in low-profile variants, meaning it can be put in just about any older, or even modern, SFF office PC and instantly make it a decent gaming machine

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup, that is always a big factor. The whole idea of buying a used prebuild, throwing in a decent GPU and start gaming hasn't dissapeared.

[@erikanybody4298]

Even more importantly the 1650 is the fastest and best GPU you can have that doesn't need a power connector. And it runs effectively in a 3.0 PCIe system. NOTHING in the AMD 6000 or Nvidia 3000 or 4000 series can run in such a system. (The sole one that can fit, the AMD 6400XT, is so shitty that an old 1050 TI beats it in any non-PCI4 configuration). Which means if you have anything made more than 2 years ago that doesn't have another Power connector, the 1650 is literally the best you can get. Nvdia and AMD fucked up BADLY by ignoring the used office PC market. And I mean royally fucked up. There's a huge demand for a 3050-class gpu that takes a single slot and needs only 75W.

[@zx-3948]

@@erikanybody4298 it's a shame companies like AMD or Nvidia aren't making such GPUs anymore. Laptops have gotten to be very powerful in recen years. Just image a 30 series gpu that in the same form factor as the 1650

[@NotRezzOnYT]

@@erikanybody4298 Not the fastest, technically the RTX A2000 is the fastest GPU without a power connector. But it doesn't make sense to buy that for reviving an old PC.

[@ev-ezaye3580]

Best segway yet! Holiday deals from Micro Centre.. the 'weather outside might be frightful, but these Holiday Savings are so delightful'!! In keeping with the Holiday season, just awry how it came so close to 'frightful'! And yeah those MC deals are just Super!! I believe I first heard of them through LTT some 5 odd years ago! But this year I made the jump!

[@casedistorted]

Oh my god kill me lol

[@ven7165]

Because previous gen and budget gen parts are being sold as if they were mid-tier parts. Recently I only buy used or on-deal stuff cause companies don't offer better performance for same last gen price anymore. It's just more performance = more cost even if they don't make last gen stuff anymore.

[@CanIHasThisName]

It's a really weird time right now. People actually don't consider the likes of 3060 being midrange GPUs. It's gonna take a while for the market to adjust.

[@helgenlane]

When 1660ti is the same price as rtx3060, something ain't right

[@janemba42]

I don't think graphics fidelity will take too much of a hit. Maybe a tiny step back before it plateaus, then will skyrocket towards mid/end of life for the current consoles. So like 5-8 years from now.

[@phoenux3986]

There's also been some pretty large leaps on the software side of things lately that I feel aren't taken into consideration. Like Unreal Engine 5 and its nanite system (though there's nothing out there from unreal 5 yet is probably the reason )

[@janemba42]

@@phoenux3986 Notice how a lot of developers are using Unreal Engine 4 now? Because that adds the option down the line of upgrading to 5. I'm genuinely surprised we haven't seen games yet that take full advantage of 5's features. But I get the feeling it's not too far off.

[@wanderingwobb6300]

It's not taking a step back. Devs target consoles first PCs second so as cross gen keeps fading away min specs are only going to go up.

[@steel5897]

Shit is going to get real as soon as ray tracing becomes the norm rather than the exception tackled on top of raster, it's the next huge leap forward in graphics. Probably the next generation of consoles (PS6) will be full on about ray tracing as a core feature.

[@steel5897]

And don't kid yourselves, consoles drive game development. You don't get big leaps in graphics in games until consoles "enable" it. Plus if something like Crysis came out today even PC gamers would hate it because they can't immediately max it out on their midrange GPUs, it'd get review bombed like Portal RTX did. So... stagnation is here to stay for a while.

[@royalmafia22]

Using 12th gen feels like it’s not fully in the spirit of the average gaming pc, you have to imagine that VERY few people are actually running brand new chips vs the massive amount of Ryzen 3000 and intel 10th gen and older

[@DiamondDepthYT]

This ^

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

pretty much! i still use a GTX 1050 and i7-7700HQ (7th gen Intel) laptop lol

[@Andrushe4kanka]

i5 11400f would be better option

[@CanIHasThisName]

Whether you're looking at 2600, 10400, 3600, 5600G, 11400, 12400 or 5600(x), the gaming performance is virtually the same with a GTX1650, making the specific choice of CPU a bit arbitrary for this video. The specific model isn't as important as the fact that we've seen a massive shift away from quad core CPUs and saw a huge rise in popularity of not just hexacore but also octacore CPUs, with vast majority of gamers having hyperthreading. 12th gen isn't brand new anymore and is affordable. Even in the last video they went for an older i7, which absolutely wouldn't be more common than an i5, but a lot of people already had better CPUs at that point, which is also the case now. Right now, the most popular newly purchased CPU in many regions is Ryzen 5600 and 12400 is the same performance bracket. It gets a bit more complex with OEM gaming builds and gaming laptops, but the picture honestly isn't that different. For the next few years, these CPUs will be the golden standard. More than 65% of gamers on Steam HW survey have Intel, making the 12400 a bit more average than 5600.

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@Nurse_Xochitl Man your laptop is slightly less powerful than a Steamdeck. Yikes.

[@Ziddane1996]

Hey Linus, I love watching your video and always feel like I learn things about computer, I'm not computer illiterate but since I started my career I've fallen out of the scene. But one thing I always wish is a video where you explain the benchmarks and what the 1% lows mean and why these graphs are important for people who aren't versed in all of the micro details of computers. PLEASE make a video explaining what the info means. I get its 20% better but the true why always eludes me. Great content thought my man. Its been a blast watching your channel grow.

[@UnlightenedWolf]

1% low means, the lowest it can drop to when it stutters or loads alot of stuff, the avg fps changes very quickly, it can go up or down, 1% low is like 1/100 times it will drop to that fps, hoped it helped

[@GavinAeilts]

I'm rocking a machine with a 1660 super. I've been hearing the 16 series getting a lot of love.

[@bsigns1935]

same, powerful enough for me even with the latest game titles, if you don't mind the missing ray tracing ofcourse

[@jamezxh]

They suffer with 4gb VRAM. I have a super in my 2nd rig and it really struggles these days. And RX 580 8gb is heaps cheaper and far better.

[@saahus]

i have a 10 year old secondhand machine with intel integrated graphics that cant even hit 60 fps on minecraft lol.

[@xeon39688]

@@jamezxh my laptop rtx 3050 has 4GB too

[@ImJustAKwimpOfficial]

@@jamezxh sorry what? I have a 1660 super and mine is rocking 6gb of gddr6? 1650 does use 4gb but that’s not what OP was talking about….

[@NotSoGoodDark]

A lot of people still use old 4th gen i7s. More use 10th-12th gen i3s though. They may not be great but not terrible. I reckon the likes of i7 4790 are gonna be below the minimum at 2023-24 and the i3 10100F would be at minimum requirement. Also, another addition for the "Linus Drop Tips Compilation" at 5:48 if anyone was looking for it.

[@jubayerwasidraiyan5874]

the 12th gen i3s are absolute bangers

[@DiamondDepthYT]

i3 10th and 12th gens are great cpus. As an i7-4770 user, I fully agree with you here. My 4770 is struggling in 2022, barely able to run Virtual Reality.

[@RayanMADAO]

I3-12100f beats a 7700k in basically everything

[@kwlkid85]

4790 won't be below the minimums because laptops exist. Most modern laptops have CPUs worse than that.

[@berkbuyankara777]

i still use i7 4790 but planning to upgrade this year

[@Baligante]

Admittedly, I do believe the reason the 1650 is continuing to get a lot more popular is because of budget gaming laptops still coming with it. The machines coming with 3050s are still a fair bit more expensive, and the 1650 remains as the lowest end dedicated GPU you can get as of now.

[@naipigidi]

I dont think i should call a $800 dollar laptop a budget laptop, its like calling a $1000 phone a budget phone…

[@Baligante]

@@naipigidi Budget as far as as (new) gaming laptops go!

[@zuubu]

2:53 Used LGA2011 Xeons have become increasingly popular among low-end gamers, I myself know a couple of people who use such kits. I think that might also play a role in this.

[@marcelodemoraesielpo8068]

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

[@BroFestorDota]

saw some of the benchmarks and actual gameplay they do stutter sometimes.

[@Hamborger-wd5jg]

i used one, a Xeon E5 2667v2 with a GTX 1660 Ti

[@JoseHenriques97]

The hexa core thing is due to chinese marketplaces sellings loads of Intel old Xeons for countrys like Brazil.

[@virtualtools_3021]

Yeah x5650 is cheap as dirt as is ecc reg ddr3, along with motherboards made from scrapped chipsets

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

@@virtualtools_3021 5650 is outdated now. You can now buy a 12-core Haswell Xeon for less than $50 which is a steal quite honestly. E5 2670 v3 has 24 threads and is mere 20 dollars. You cannot beat its performance per dollar with any new CPU, gaming OR productivity wise.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

probably coupled with an ungodly amount of people who bought the Ryzen 5's and i5's for half a decade

[@iwantum]

@@manoftherainshorts9075 i rather go with Xeon E5 v2, so you can get that cheap DDR3 ECC. Recently build a server for only 340$ Dual socket C602 board 2x Xeon E5 - 2697v2 (48 threads) 64GB ECC GTX 1060 6GB I could have saved 60$ by going with a 2670 v2 10core. Prices are dirt cheap for projects like that

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

@@iwantum DDR4 on Aliexpress isn't that expensive now. Also not everyone can make use of 64 gigs of RAM, 32 will be perfectly enough. In that case more CPU performance and cores is preferable, in my opinion. Also there are specific motherboards that allow using DDR3 ECC with certain v3 Xeons, like E5 2673 v3. V2 is quite honestly just obsolete.

[@TheGoncas2]

Imagine the 1060 being the most popular GPU on the Steam survey for several years, only to be dethroned by a WORSE GPU.

[@jimmymyers]

Likely budget gaming laptops making this happen

[@wanderingwobb6300]

1060 isn't split up into 3 separate SKUs like it should be. Meanwhile the 3060 has both a laptop and desktop SKU in the survey. Combined it overtook the 1060 quite a few months ago anyway.

[@squidwardo7074]

only because of laptops. it should seperate it by laptops and desktops. i bet desktops are way higher than before. most people I know have a 20 or 30 series card by now

[@hailgod1]

3060 isnt worse than a 1060.

[@veol]

Finally we go Linus tech tips average build it been so long

[@matcraftou]

For the MOST average, I have: Prebuilt Acer case 8gb ram prebuilt 8gb ram Corsair Zotac GTX 1650 Toshiba 1TB drive prebuilt mb Core I3 8th GEN I really wished that I had the time but mostly money to build my own PC so I bought a ~500$ Prebuilt acer and frankelsteined it with differents parts!

[@papuce2]

If the Toshiba 1TB is HDD, then definitely upgrade to SSD - it will give you a VERY nice boost in the overall system feeling - fast boot, fast app starts, fast loading... It will not give you FPS, but the system will be actually friendly to use, not slow and sluggish as with HDD ;-) Ofc you will need to reinstall windows on the SSD or just migrate it from the old HDD to the new SSD, samsung and others offer software tools to do that easily ;-) PS: Make sure you buy a correct SSD supported by yout morherboard, e.g. dont buy PCIe 4.0 if you motherboard only supports older variants, or only SATA connections etc.

[@matcraftou]

@@papuce2 So, since this unfortunately is a prebuild , it says ssd but i thinks it'a a hdd by the speed and soud. And, I don't use Windows, I use Linux BTW.

[@ezecskornfan]

add a ssd to boot up whenever you can.

[@elib2559]

Toshiba sounds like an HDD, if you want to bring this system to life please update to an SSD and keep the HDD unplugged when reinstalling windows/linux.

[@jimmymyers]

I paid $600 for a lightly used MSI Trident 3 with a 1660 Super and i7-10700. Even the msi rgb keyboard and mouse that came with it were brand new

[@NizarElZarif]

the gtx 1650 is popular in budget laptops, that is why it's market share is improving. Realistically, you should pick at least the RX6600, you can get it for around 250$, or if you can improve your budject toward rx 6700xt which can net you close to 360$

[@darkmaster539]

Budget laptops still count to the average gamer. There's no reason to pretend like it doesn't. That said, the steam list shows "laptop" next to the laptop versions. It's the 3060 laptop that seems to be coming for the top spot from the 30 series.

[@unkahussun]

I have a 6700xt in my current build and it hits well above where I thought it would. I play a lot of console-oriented titles on my TV at 4k ultra with a wireless controller and it chooches along no problem. It's an amazing card to be mid range.

[@arthorgaming6687]

Ya I don't get why they recommend a 3050 and the rx6600 for 220 bucks and is just as good or better than the 3050

[@squidwardo7074]

Or a 1650 super, which is like $30 more than a 1650 (at msrp) but good luck finding one new for that price. Imo just save for an extra week or two and get a 3060 for $300. If you're so tight on money that you can't afford an extra 150 when you're already spending a few hundred you shouldn't be building a pc

[@teapouter]

@@squidwardo7074 Why advocate for the 3060?

[@Randomninja47]

I wonder if the average going down has a lot to do with prebuilts. My sister and brother in law both bought prebuilt PCs instead of letting me help them build their own and like almost all of this is what they're running out of the box (we plan to make some upgrades later)

[@lawyerlawyer1215]

I think a lot has to do with the rise in popularity around KZbinrs & streamers and influencers in general. Pc gaming used to be a more “adult” thing. Children or young teenagers would ask their parents for a console and that was that. Pc gaming was more complex , more niche thing. And in its core , it still is. Dealing with upgrades , installing things , updating drivers . Consoles are plug & play. But there is a trend now Every kid, pubert or teen . Wants his RGB computer , with led rgb lights on the walls too. They want the twitch streamer look on their room. I get it , I’m 28 and my room looks like that , I’m not critiquing liking that aesthetic , but compromising a lot of performance to achieve it. They of course have no job or salary, so their parents have to buy it. It’s actually sad , and ironic. For the first time , these young kids , live in a moment , where getting a console destroys PC gaming in bang for the buck. Since , to this day , 2 years after they launched , you have to spend around 1k$ to get ps5/ series x performance , and that’s with out keyboard , Mouse , and monitor. Yet , they choose this moment to become pc gamers Just for the looks. They don’t really understand about hardware, they don’t fully get that just because it has lights and looks cool and big , it is a powerful machine. But they like the looks of it. Honestly I feel really sad for all this young ones.

[@steviejoe66]

I think it's due to an overwhelming amount of laptops coming with 1650 gpus

[@CanIHasThisName]

It definitely is. In fact I think it's mostly laptops (unfortunately the survey didn't start separating desktop and laptop GPUs until the 30 series). During the GPU shortage, getting a laptop or a prebuilt was the most affordable way of acquiring a gaming machine. And the GTX1650 made it into some very cheap laptops.

[@TheNuno190]

You might be right. I bought a prebuilt HP Victus that has a Ryzen 5600G w/GTX1650. Budget couldnt go more but wanting to upgrade to a RTX3060 due to having a 550W power supply

[@aleksazunjic9672]

It mostly has to do with gaming being secondary activity for byers and recession hitting hard. People need something relatively inexpensive for everyday tasks, that could also run some games, not necessarily latest and greatest. PC is after all multipurpose machine, not game console.

[@zackkoukios8123]

GTX 1650 may be the single most popular GPU currently at 6%, but 26% are rocking 8GB of VRAM. If you go by quantity GTX 1650 is the “averagest” but I suspect if you instead looked at average gaming performance across all steam hardware surveyed it would be something more like a GTX 1070 or 1080. With a lack of a clear bang for buck leader these last few years, I have a feeling 1060 upgrader sales have been more evenly distributed across the product stacks of both AMD and Nvidia and the highly competitive RDNA 2 and Ampere matchup have likely spread the market out as well. Pascal was a truly dominating era for Nvidia so it’s not super surprising to see any single GPU SKU less overwhelmingly popular.

[@cheeseisgreat24]

My favorite part about this is that I have literally helped people price out and build these kinds of builds to match their budget and it’s nice to see my usual advice to people be validated.

[@claytonfromtexas]

You should do a Top Gear type leader board. Where after every PC build you run a benchmark and compare it against all the other computers you built that year. And you give each build a fun name.

[@michealkinney6205]

I opted for the Arc A770 16GB for the price and "promise" of performance, but I'm using it primarily for AI.. so only secondary for gaming. But I would I am looking forward to your follow-up Arc GPU for 30 Days with the latest 2x Performance Drivers. It's incredible and Intel "promise" delivered. I think any of the Arc GPU's would make for a way better build, just need more adoption and less fear, lol. Best and thanks for the videos, always great!

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

I think there is a 90% chance the whole AIB GPU branch will be abandoned either before or after the next generation. The CEO is terminating unprofitable branches left and right and Arc made billions of losses so far.

[@Kholaslittlespot1]

Are you having any of the issues that Linus had in his videos on Arc? How is performance?

[@michealkinney6205]

@@Kholaslittlespot1 A few things, there was just a massive update improves DX9 by 2x, and notably improves everything else as well. As far as problems, no not really. I am a computer tech and I mostly got the card for playing with AI, with only some games. I've really only ran into minor issues and most of those have been sorted. With the improvements, I would probably peg the Arc 770 16GB more with the GTX 3070, but with more VRAM. And for AI, it's only half the performance as the 4090 but at a fraction of the cost. I'd like to see more people adopt Intel GPU's.

[@michealkinney6205]

​@@Zrksys I am too.. and Idk, for my new build I got an Intel Core i7 13600K for $270 (best bang for buck, perf & power), 2TB SSD NVMe for $80 (both from MicroCenter), Intel Arc A770 16GB for MSRP $350 (Newegg), and 18TB IronWolf for $270, MUSETEX ARGB MK7-GN5 Case for $60, etc. on Cyber Monday sale (case last year, that's how long I plan and pick up on deals). Last desktop PC was like 2012 build, Dell Precision T7500 with 2x Xeon X5660's and 32GB RAM (Upgraded GTX 1660 Super over original Quadro). Lasted me a decade and still performs admirably but it was time for an upgrade (and power savings, plus no NVME boot support). Think I did pretty good and it's an awesome build for me, so I can't complain. I'm mostly DevOps though, and got it for AI/ML primarily, productivity, etc. so gaming isn't my highest priority and still is quite decent. Plus I'm considering getting a second A770 16GB for the build, and split workload (which offers about the same AI/ML performance as the 4090 24GB but with more overall VRAM, 36GB effectively, and a fraction of the price).

[@eculhane]

Being able to play the game will always be the most important hurdle. Being able to crank up the quality is a bonus.

[@Nikos90g]

After watching Linus for such a long time im pretty sure i can make my own gaming pc (:

[@dergodi]

Same but I still feel like I know jack shit

[@demrasnawla]

Yeah bro you can do it, believe in yourself, I built my first one about 10 years ago when I was 13 just by watching LTT and other channels

[@aarong9378]

I built my first PC in 1986. It was very difficult, including having to install individual RAM chips one at a time. Today’s computers are easier than the average Lego set to put together. The difficult part today is to make sure that all the parts work together. There are plenty of sites to assist in this process, though.

[@thatdudeghosty6817]

That my friend is actually legit That's how I built my first pc, it was just from watching vids to the point where I felt comfortable knowing that i could make semi right choices

[@BlazePas]

If you can put Lego together you can build a PC, frfr

[@mikef8846]

I am actually really surprised the most common amount of RAM is 16GB. A lot of PCs have been sold with 8GB and still are, and a lot of mainstream users never upgrade anything.

[@iiBus]

Mine came 8gb but I upgraded to 16gb literally just 2 days ago. Very good decision.

[@ominoussage]

Yeah, 8GB just ain't enough for a common gamer.

[@mmis1000]

8GB is likely to be completely filled by your background programs and a browser together. And full memory would cause disk swapping and shutter, result in a very uncomfortable user experience. I don't think it is useful for gaming in nowadays standard. Selling a non upgradeable 8gb gaming pc or laptop in 2022 is simply a scam in my opinion. (Unless you only do paperworks with them)

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@iiBus Yeah nearly every game I play uses more than 8GB of RAM nowadays. Not _drastically_ more mind you, around the 9-10GB mark seems to be most typical. I figure 16GB will probably be fine with the majority of games for a few more years of modern releases. Probably for the remainder of the current console generation.

[@craiggerhardstein7305]

@@yewtewbstew547 the ps4 had 8GB of ram and the PS5 has 16 but those are shared between the GPU and the rest of the system so we most likely we see at least 24 in a ps6 maybe 32 if sony really wants to push the system

[@aidanocallaghan169]

This is great for me to hear, going from a 2core 10year old i3 with 8gb of ddr3, up to a 5600x with 32gb of 3600mhz ram. I'm looking forward to those performance increases.

[@Anonymoose66G]

No need for the 32GB of RAM just get 16GB and spend the remainder on another upgrade (unless you do editing or something along those lines) 16GB is fine for gaming.

[@aidanocallaghan169]

@@Anonymoose66G 32gb was on sale, only an extra tenner. And I do modelling so that extra ram is always nice.

[@Anonymoose66G]

@@aidanocallaghan169 In that case the extra 32GB is extremely worth it 👍. Where did you get it from?

[@aidanocallaghan169]

@@Anonymoose66G I got it on amazon, I'm European though so the German site. It might have been an extra 20, it cost me 110

[@Anonymoose66G]

@@aidanocallaghan169That's interesting for me 16GB is 49.50 and 32GB is around €100 on Amazon goes to show how being in a different region/country may drastically effect pricing.

[@bijdikh8516]

I remember about a year ago looking for a new GPU to upgrade my 970, and the 1660 was around $350 at the time. A year later, I was able to pick up an RTX 3070 for $370.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

I'm glad a review site is benchmarking a $100 motherboard and a $60 case. Also, the 1650 might be due to the Pandemic insane prices and people saying "I'll get something to hold me over until the price gouging is over..." I got a Black Friday laptop for around that, which has an RTX 3060. The screen is crap though, and you'll need to upgrade the RAM, but it works well.

[@-KayK-]

Technically the 3060 is the most popular gpu, as if you combine the mobile and desktop versions together its 7%.

[@kooldogkid149]

That’s exactly what I was thinking too

[@quackatit]

The mobile version is technically different.

[@re4796]

@@quackatit yes, it's better Has more CUDA cores and is only 20FPS behind the desktop variant 🤣

[@rkjj.]

@@re4796 how is it better then lol

[@Ray-dx2pf]

@@rkjj. Well in my experience you can undervolt it slightly and outperform the desktop variant. With significantly less watts l.

[@blubullie4850]

I got my G502 Hero mouse from Game Stop for free with the purchase of a Blue Yeti microphone. Don't be afraid to keep looking if you don't find the deal you are looking for.

[@nisnast]

And four months later, the RTX 3060 has taken the top spot as the most popular graphics card on Steam Survey, with over 10% of users having one

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Uh, no it hasn't. It's in third with 4.51%. The laptop version is in fourth with 4.35%. They're not the same.

[@nisnast]

@@theindooroutdoorsman there was an error in the survey that was revealed shortly after I made this post.

[@cutieapplepie]

@@theindooroutdoorsmannerd

[@jdog631]

The interesting thing with the 1650 is that there's also GDDR6 models out there! The bus is still only 128-bit, but the faster memory does help it a decent bit.

[@jamezxh]

The DDR 6 version is the super version. Either way I don’t understand how the card is still relevant in 2022 with its 4gb VRAM, when you can easily source a 8GB RX 580 for half the price.

[@junaid12345678901234]

@@jamezxh there are 1650 gddr6 non super variant. For me personally 1650 is the safest bet considering 580s were used for mining.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@jamezxh Given the choice, yes few would pick 1650 over 580 but two things to remember; there's A LOT of 1650 laptops, can't GPU swap those obv. And two, 50 cards are easier to source than 580s in many markets (IE India/South America).

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@jamezxh easy, you're buying cheap "gaming laptops" or crummy prebuilds and never touching the components.

[@rinsenpai135]

@@jamezxh GTX 1650 Non-Super has multiple versions: - Base Desktop: 896 CUDA cores, GDDR5 and 75W TDP, on TU117. - Base Laptop: 1024 CUDA cores, GDDR5 and 40-50W TDP on TU117 - Also has a Max-Q variant with 30-35W TDP. - Refresh Desktop: 896 CUDA cores, GDDR6 and 75W TDP, on TU117. - Refresh Laptop: 1024 CUDA cores, GDDR6 and 40-50W TDP on TU117 - Also has a Max-Q variant with 30-35W TDP. - There is a GTX 1650 non-Super model with TU106 chip - same chip as the 2060 and 2070 but RT and Tensor cores disabled. They have a TDP of 90W, so they require a 6-pin power connector. It has GDDR6 memory and 896 active CUDA cores. - There is a Desktop GTX 1650 non-Super variant with the TU116 chip - used for GTX 1650 Super and all GTX 1660 variants). It also has GDDR6 memory and 896 active CUDA cores. - Some laptops also have a GTX 1650 Ti Mobile variant based on TU117 chip with GDDR6 memory, they have the same amount of CUDA cores as the other TU117 GPUs (1024 cores) but they run at lower frequencies. They also have a Max-Q Variant which is also rated at 50W TDP, but runs at much lower frequencies. - There are also GTX 1650 Ti Mobile variants on TU116 chip, also with GDDR6 memory and 896 CUDA cores.

[@210Artemka]

I think the reason why this build seems a little awkward is because you take in account North American prices for new and used hardware. GPU market is different in Europe, China and Russia. That also might be the reason why the average CPU clock is so low: I know that there are quite a lot of people running old Xeon processors in gaming rigs.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup 1650 is starting here around 190€, 6500 XT at 200€ and 1660 around 270€ for new cards. That has to be either Xeons from the Core 2 lineup or from the Nehalem (1st gen Core i) generation. After that the most popular Xeon was usually the E3-1230, which was the equivalent of an i7-2600/3770/4770/4790, but without iGPU and in price close to the fast i5 (2500/3570/4670/4690)of it's generation. Basically the same thing as a 13700F nowadays. And saving money by getting an i7 at the price of an i5 means 100 bucks to throw into the GPU, which easily got you from a 670 to a 680, from a HD 7870 to a 7950 or from that to a 7970, from a 760 to a 770, from a R9 280X to a 290, or from a 1080 to a 1080 Ti And precisely these earlier Xeons are easily overclockable. On the Core 2 chips via FSB, on the Nehalem via BCLK (which didn't have half the system hanging on it, so upping it by 50% isn't a problem) Those CPUs usually go anywhere around 3.6-4.4 GHz. They can also be cooled with the Hyper 212 Evo. I have one of those machines myself. TL;DR, the old Xeons are easily overclockable to much higher speeds than what their stock clock reports and the later Xeons were clocking higher and could give you a step up on the GPU basically for free.

[@210Artemka]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I have mostly addressed the e5 series of xeons. Those CPUs can be found on AliExpress under 50$. They have 8-14 cores and base clocks of 2-2.5 MHz. Overclocking them is quite a challenge, especially if you are using refurbished MB from the same ol' good AliExpress, so most people running them on

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@210Artemka yup, the sandy bridge and later have basically no headroom since everything is tied to the BCLK

[@brokenarrow726]

Can confirm 3060 will be #1 next year. Was a huge sale on/around black Friday on both Newegg and Amazon, and im sure others where it was about 30-50% off. Got mine for about $279 on amazon. Definitely worth it.

[@Evan-xs8ts]

A used 6600xt or 6700xt is cheaper and better

[@Rentta]

You underestimate rest of the world where it wasn't on sale.

[@FFXfever]

@@Rentta What do you mean?? The US isn't the rest of the world???

[@zadsazhad]

I do think rx6600 might be on top cause of it's price is even lower than rtx 3060 but almost the same performance

[@terminaldeity]

No it won't

[@Taatkela]

I have a pc with no graphics card, cpu with speed of 1.6ghz and 4gb of ddr3 ram for over 7 years. A pc like this is my dream

[@DiamondMan_]

I have no pc. a pc like this is my dream

[@socat9311]

I found that my father had 2 old pc towers from 25 years ago. I am talking 5-pin Din slot for the keyboard on the motherboard and S3 Virge video card era ! I would love to see a video from that time, maybe building a "new" old pc from that time and settimg up nextstep and/or Dos. What a time :D

[@af-photography]

10:57 Poor Linus, I think this time we cannot save him, he just decides to add another day of the week like it meant nothing 😬 i imagine the imaculous amount of hours his workers have to do per week

[@conduit64]

Just think though, if there was an 8th day in the week that would be like 4 more videos they could upload.

[@Reelix]

It's a KZbinr thing - Instead of sleeping for 8 hours, you sleep for 4. The extra 4 hours saved per night gives you an extra day of your week.

[@janmiguelinocente2392]

I have my 1650 super for almost 2 yrs now and it's still holding up pretty well haha

[@savagegecko4575]

Bless your heart you poor soul

[@jamescooper7878]

i went from a 1660s during the pandemic to a 3060 today, the performance realy did jump there

[@Zevolish]

a good card considering i have a gtx 1050 ti that i bought last year, i bought in a really wrong time and got less performance for a higher price.

[@ber2996]

my broke ass is just about to buy a 1650s from ebay, it's going to be my first graphics card ever. All this time I just play on intel integrated gpu

[@ianndegwa874]

I had a little zotac 1650(non super), nifty card that ran surprisingly well...had to let her go about 6 months ago and got an Msi Gaming X 3060ti

[@Furion223]

being a budget gamer for life , vids like this really help. tyty

[@ayvyr]

why for life? you can be rich one day if you work hard enough bro. keep dreaming and working

[@iKarrott]

LTT be like: "Friendship ended with Anker, now UGREEN is my best friend."

[@nirast2561]

So interesting tidbit: Steam's survey adds the laptop and desktop versions of the 1060 and 1650 as a single number, while it does NOT do that for the 3060. If you add the desktop and mobile versions of the cards together, you get a 8.05% share, beating the 1650's 6.27%

[@Nobody13579ify]

Really feels like they just didn’t do their research.

[@frederickjosephsheppard4681]

Did they say that somewhere or are you just going off the fact that no 1650s laptop version is listed? Which if the latter is the case I'd reckon that it's more likely that they just pry make up less than 0.15% of the market. Just curious because I would be a bit surprised if steam's not just polling from the hardware info of the machine, which should automatically determine the type of GPU unless NVIDIA doesn't mark laptop/mobile [phone] products on the hardware.

[@meinacco]

I see your point. However I think the different approach is justified. In older generations the mobile and desktop versions of Nvidia's chips were actually pretty much the same as the name implies. But in the 30 series they jumped the shark and named massively inferior chips the same as higher tier desktop versions.

[@Ray-dx2pf]

@@meinacco see it gets even weirder though because the rtx 3060 mobile has more cuda cores then the 3060 desktop

[@joemarais7683]

@@Nobody13579ifythey mentioned it, and it seems like the writer just didn’t care.

[@jase240ads]

Linus, it appears that all new versions of the 1650 seem to be GDDR6 now with a 192bit bus and could have an appreciable increase in performance compared to the GDDR5 version, especially at higher texture resolutions. While it seems that Nvidia has been quietly fading out the GDDR5 versions. Could you provide benchmarks for the GDDR6 version as well?

[@flsmidfekar192]

I have a Zotac 1650 GDDR6 and yeah, it performs like 5 or 10% better that the GDDR5 versions based on YT benchs that I saw.

[@akkir6707]

i think 1650 is most popular right because of the recent lockdown which force student/workers to work for home and base on experience with college a lot of people opt for laptop that have this gpu since it's both capable and reasonably priced. partnered with 1080p display it's quite a decent gpu for gaming in 1080p

[@ismailcassoo]

would be interesting if you could do a series of budget vs high end builds by country. Based on availability and pricing in those countries.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

high end is same in every country, budget will slightly differ in countries like China, Taiwan and USA

[@Reelix]

@@vipvip-tf9rw The US pays $150 for a component that I pay $400 for here in Africa. The difference is absurd.

[@pauliwrathddr]

Praise the 1650!

[@jettguymer2125]

As a data analyst student. I would LOVE to see a more in-depth Steam hardware survey with metrics mentioned in the video. Might be helpful if they included the boost & base clock speed of those Intel processors. Also, if Intel Turbo Boost was enabled.

[@suicidepenguin3007]

nobody cares that youre a data analyst student???

[@derfeedy4618]

Wouldn't that infringe on data rights in countries like brazile or the European Union?

[@Kholaslittlespot1]

Pretty sure some of those metrics are in the steam hardware survey, at least I thought clock speed was? Good luck with your studies!

[@Kholaslittlespot1]

@@suicidepenguin3007 yeah, I do... So...

[@grizredford8407]

I'd like them to split the 1060's into 3GB and 6GB versions because they're very different beasts.

[@blindfaith8777]

For deciding the GPU, it may be helpful to sort the list by performance benchmark, then find the median.

[@ty.davis3]

Linus took a chance to say '69' and passed it up? Not nice. 2:57

[@thesinistermilk131]

I use to use a 1650 but bought a 1660 super and it changed everything, 1660 super is so much better then a 1650

[@drunkhusband6257]

Probably one of the worst upgrades I've ever heard of....you literally could have got a 2060 super or 2070 for the same price

[@thesinistermilk131]

@@drunkhusband6257 I got the 1660 super for 150, I looked into a rtx 20 series and most Were 250 or 300

[@thesinistermilk131]

@@drunkhusband6257 still a lot better then the 1650

[@lc756]

@@drunkhusband6257 bro upragade GTX 1660 super from 1650 xd

[@Zevolish]

i wanted 1660s too considering i dont have to upgrade my PSU, i think its a good option especially if you're in a really tight budget. 1650 wasnt even available in my country last year or atleast in the area where i lived, got the 1050 ti instead. A huge problem for cards is that theyre only cheap in certain countries like in the USA, and getting used ones is a pain in the ass and too shady, i always find dumb bargains that sell used for the price atleast a bit higher than the msrp, bought a used 1050 and it didnt even last for a year...

[@Sup_D]

In my Region, currently a new "1650 GDDR5" is almost the same price (depending on site) as a "1650 GDDR6" or a "6500 XT". So, which one would be better compared to them? (Second Hand market isn't useful here, as the price of a used is usually almost the same as a new one).

[@kubotite9168]

easily the rx6500xt..if you can find 5600xt or 5500xt 8gb for cheaper than it is better..but the rx6500xt only show its full power when youre using pcie 4.0

[@jamezxh]

In Australia the 1650 DDR6 ( super) is non existent if you can it’s old stock and criminally overpriced . You can still get the 1650 DDR 5 but it’s around the $250 point. That puts it in RX 6600 range which wipes the floor with it. You can even pickup RX 580 8gb models for around $100 now on the used market. The 1650 makes absolutely no sense at all.

[@Celatra]

@@kubotite9168 bs. the difference is negligable at best

[@nathansstuff1547]

@@jamezxh Yeah, it's crazy that AMD cards are cheaper than NVIDIA equivalents in Australia, almost makes AMD a no brainer. Know I bought a 6700 XT when it went back to MSRP, and that was $500 cheaper than the 3070 at the time.

[@michielvoetberg4634]

I was in your position a couple of months ago. I bought the 6500xt.

[@CH0NKIN]

This is actually my complete first build - part for part (other than the motherboard and power supply). I STILL have my G502, but I upgraded a bunch since then and now have the G PRO :)

[@quinnobi42]

This makes me realise how average my setup is. A gaming laptop with a core i5 10300H and 1650 Ti. And I use the exact Scepter monitor they have in the video. The only real difference is that I have a much nicer mouse and keyboard.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

That's pretty entry level anymore. Nothing wrong with that though if it plays what you want.

[@lyit8993]

This made me realise how bad my setup is . A Intel Pentium d

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

@lyit8993 for modern gaming yes.

[@pasu_teru]

My laptop specs are the same

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

@lyit8993 you could probably get a better cpu for your socket for pretty cheap. Wouldn't be a huge improvement, but could probably get a 4 core.

[@seikatsu.]

Reason why 1650 is super popular now is because alot of people are buying a 1650 laptop nowadays which costs around 600-700usd it has great performance as it mostly has 6 cores 12t has fast ssd and most laptop models have great cooling and 120hz or 144hz displays

To be honest, relying on Steam survey seems to be to be completely pointless nowadays. Even further, the way the data is interpreted by media (LTT too) is just wrong. 1. Differentiating GPUs just by their names is pointless. GTX 1060 has a single name for all platforms. Are you sure that the majority is 6GB? There is also 3GB variant. Is 2060 and 2060 Super really a different card? They only differ by ROP count (48 vs 64) and VRAM config (6x2GB vs 8x1GB). But wait, there is no separation for 2060 laptop? It is cut down by around 12% in core counts and it has HALF of the memory. So we count desktop and laptop variants that are so much different as the same card but we separate 2060 Super as a different model although it's much closer to desktop 2060 than laptop version is? That's nonsense. To put that into perspective, RTX 3060 is 3.41% of the market and 3060 laptop has 4.63% which adds up to 8.04% of the market. How is it less than 6.27% for 1650? The difference in core counts between 1650 desktop and laptop is 13% and we count that as the same card but the difference for 3060 is just 7% and they are separated. This just does not make sense at all. This data only shows what model was identified but you need to do better job interpreting the data than just picking the first one from the table. 1650 is not the most common gaming GPU at all no matter what sort of interpretation you use. If you want to extrapolate the data, RTX 3060 is 58% laptop and 42% desktop, so we can say that the majority of GPUs in this range are laptop cards. Therefore you should show average laptop, not a desktop. On the other hand, RTX 3070 has 3.37% of the market (laptop+desktop) where 72% of 3070s are desktop models. Similarly RTX 3080 has 2.05% of the market with 90% being desktop cards. You can see a clear trend. The higher end card model you pick, the more of them are desktop. This means that the most common 1650 (and probably 1060) are in the most part laptops. This means that your whole set of analysis and advises about buying 1650 or used 3050 is completely useless as this is not what users want. Most of them don't buy "average" 1650 for their rig, they buy laptop that just comes with low end GPU. I'd expect a bit higher standard from LTT in those terms. 2. The other common problem is that those stats are just the best we have but far from being precise. Judging from them, DirectX 12 went down 1.11% in November. What happened? There's suddenly more old cards than new ones? Are the numbers that off? Well, they may be that much off. I wish Steam was publishing more detail like how many samples did they actually collect each time and most of all, what types of devices they are. Obviously (a you also recognized) the average CPU base clock is that low because the majority of the survey is based on laptops. This may mean that the typical CPU in the survey is like i3 1215u that has 2 performance cores (with HT) and 4 efficiency cores. 6 physical cores? Checked. Low base clock? Checked. It actually has base clock of just 1.2 GHz going up to 4.4 GHz. So in general I find this whole video pointless as you are trying to tell us that current average desktop is a laptop and you try to give advises for buying PC components based on laptop stats. In both Amazon and Microcenter the most popular CPU is i7 12700K. Even if you look at Amazon ratings, the most rated CPUs are 12700K, 11700K, 10700K... Although 12900K is also quite high if you consider K and KF. But if you look at Ryzen, they are almost order of magnitude more popular. It's hard to get any decent data as we don't know what is being sold right now. The most popular CPU by far is Ryzen 5 3600 but it's an aging CPU and that's why it is so ahead of newer ones. So it's quite hard to judge what actually is the average PC right now and it's even worse if you base on market shares instead of current sales. Both reviews, popularity on sales sites and Steam survey show you the current market shares, not what is currently being bought. Let's do it another way just for fun. GPU model and market share over the year (Nov 2021-2022) 1650 6.10% -> 6.27% 1060 7.83% -> 5.77% 2060 5.24% -> 4.64% 3060 laptop 1.82% -> 4.63% 1050 Ti 5.92% -> 4.60% 3060 1.30% -> 3.41% 1660 Ti 3.01% -> 2.46% 3070 1.80% -> 2.44% 1660 Super 2.48% -> 2.41% You can clearly see that things like 1650 do not get more popular, they roughly stand in place. Older cards like 1060 and 1050 are dropping, even 2060 is dropping. At the same time the biggest increases you can see are 3060 and 3060 laptop followed by 3070, 3080... So if you want to be fair, you should rather look at 3060 being the most popular GPU right now, not some e-waste put into the lowest end "gaming" laptops. Similarly, the CPU should not be picked based on whatever is common in laptops. The data is highly limited, so you have to be more creative until Steam figures out that splitting the data between mobile and desktop use makes sense. Besides that, I don't think the survey is any more valuable to game developers. It's just that, a survey. It does not tell you what machines people are playing on, it's not even telling you what are typical machines they use. I have a few computers, I have Steam on 3 of them and I often use Steam on the one equipped with Iris Xe. That's enough because I'm streaming it from the rig in different room but will Steam know that it's not actually used for gaming? I don't think so, it asked me to fill out the survey on this tablet once. To make any sense out of this data, we'd need to also know what they are used for. Is this computer used for playing demanding games? Maybe it's used for remote play? Or maybe you play some older games on it and you have other rig for demanding stuff? There's nothing unusual in having PC and a laptop. It's not unusual having Steam on devices that can only run a few older games. I have some games installed on my tablet but I don't want game developers to make games that have to run on this tablet. I want games to play on my rig, the tablet is just for low end games in travel. Don't count it! If this video was fair, it would just show us average laptop because that's what is the most common in the survey. If you want to give advise on buying gaming rig or at least reflect what rigs people are commonly buying, you have to go outside of laptop driven survey. The whole point of buying PC is getting more power, barely anybody will pay for low end PC if a laptop is all he needs.

[@jorceshaman]

It's nice to see you're using Red Dragon. I never heard of them but picked one up at Micro Center. $50 for a keyboard, mouse, headset, and mouse pad. I was iffy but it looked like a decent deal. Edit: I wrote this before seeing the end sponsor. Rather fitting. The Madison Heights, MI store is closest to me and I always enjoy going there. It's about 40 minutes from me and it's nice not waiting for things to be shipped.

[@RothAnim]

I've had remarkably good luck with them. I'm using a Perdition MMO mouse and the Devrajas mechanical keyboard with aftermarket Akko switches. The software is not good, but the hardware is pretty solid! The mouse, especially is outperforming the Razer Naga and G600 that came before it, primarily because the tracking doesn't completely freak out if a cat hair gets into the sensor.

[@berkayjan11]

If only you tested some recent titles with FSR on this GPU. Could be very interesting and surprising.

[@Enevalence]

8:15 I think they forgot to add those alternative PSUs

[@progamerr4999]

I'm suprised that there aren't that many people who noticed this. I would really like some recommendations for PSUs.

[@Iveresss]

@@progamerr4999did you find one ?

[@josephleoned]

The introduction was a perfect example of feeling so weirded out but can't look away lol

[@theodorawong2143]

It'd be cool to see an updated version of this, with comparisons from all of the previous versions

[@ryanr6994]

The non XT Radeon 6600 can be found for around 200 and is pretty impressive at it’s price point, great video nonetheless.

[@dkline9]

Was wondering why no mention of any AMD GPU's since the 6600 is way better than this at nearly the same price point.

[@hufass]

Upgraded from 970 to a 6600 and couldn’t be more happier, was quite confused as to why he didn’t include it. It’s such a good gpu for its price.

[@quandaliusdinglus3374]

@@hufass it's not linus it's whoever wrote the script. some videos feel balanced while others feel biased but maybe i'm crazy

[@Baobao-qf3wv]

I got the XT version for the same price

[@jette24]

he went with most popular on steam..

[@lisandromiereshoyos2606]

I wished I could saw this build with the GTX 1650 GDRR6 version card, I have the Zotac single fan OC one, and it works like a charm for everything from Dishonored 2 (at tweaked settings like rat shadows and such) still amazing video! Greetings from South América

[@IItsIgor]

Dishonored 2 enjoyer 🗿

[@kekwSpiler]

i've been rocking a 1050ti actually until this october when i upgraded to a 3060 ti and i gotta say, that 1050ti was a true warrior, it held up pretty well over the years

[@2m2a2r2k2]

I'm still using one in my 5 year old laptop. It's full of dust, but still runs Doom Eternal on high settings with ease.

[@Niko-pj8kt]

hell yeah ive been using mine for 5 years so far and it still holds up on new titles at 1080 60

[@Skyhex]

I chose to buy a GTX 1650 simply because i got it used for cheaper in my country, they usually cost around 350$-400$ here, and more importantly, because i didn't want to risk lacking wattage because of the higher spec graphics cards. So.. the main reason is cost.

[@JayzBOT]

Yasss Linus slay the PC king 🫨😩

[@randomguy1371]

Ayo?

[@notfavorite]

Love your vids man keep it up linus!

[@andrewshobbybasement]

Would you guys ever consider making a video about how badly newer GPUs are bottlenecked by older CPUs? While I've upgraded basically every part of my computer since i originally built it in 2010, I've never until recently had enough money to upgrade my motherboard, cpu, and ram all at the same time. As a result my rig is somewhat unusual in that it is simultaneously running a relatively modern RTX 2080 Ti alongside an absolutely ancient Core i7 990X, along with 24 gigs of 2133 DDR3 ram that was super fast back in the day but is considered rather slow now. I want to know exactly how badly my 2080 Ti is getting bottlenecked by the older (albeit maxed-out) X58 hardware so i can decide whether or not upgrading to a newer CPU architecture would be worth it for me at this point in time. Given that i haven't yet made the jump to 120Hz and am still gaming at 1080p60, i want to know whether upgrading to a more recent CPU would even benefit my current setup at all or if i would need to invest in a new monitor to actually see any benefit whatsoever from newer hardware.

[@revdarian]

Heya mate, you can kinda extrapolate that by checking out reviews at tech powerup on newer GPUs, it will have 2080s numbers, then look at how it performs VS your rig. Use stuff that's easy to check like 3dmark. It won't give you a perfect picture but it will be good enough.

[@Jaihso]

bro that's a crazy bottleneck. Check out the ryzen 5 5600x or i5 12600k They're really solid cpus for the price. Youll need new ram and mobo but you will get such an increase in performance.

[@stevenwex8966]

Hope you keep this series going, sounds like good New Gaming PC build guide. I'm rocking a i7-4790, GTX 1060, 16gb Ram, 430 watt power supply and a 15 year old case, but Windows 11 might force a new build in a few years.

[@crackajacka87]

Lol this setup is similar to mine, I currently have an I7 4790k (was I7 4790 recently), GTX 1060, 32gb ram and a 600 watt power supply. I'm currently looking at getting a new GPU, either the 3060ti or a 3070 but maybe better depending on value in FB marketplace and I hope the I7 4790k will hold otherwise I'll have to get a new board, new ram and the new CPU and I'd rather spend that money on a new monitor instead.

[@BrendanP]

6:35 My Mom's first gaming PC build used the NZXT H510. She didn't know much about PC building then; she just relied on what Austin Evans said (I like your Mystery Tech vids Austin) in his PC Building guide a few years ago. She quickly saw the H510's air circulation was not the best, especially during summer, and got a Fractal Design Meshify C months later. Safe to say, she does not like the NZXT H510 case.

[@Yurnex]

I absolutely hate the H510 I had one and it was the worst case I ever worked in I recommend phanteks cases never again will I use a MZXT chassis

[@Neoxon619]

But isn’t the 2070 closer to what current-gen systems are targeting (& as mentioned at the end, the 2060 is on its way up)? Once cross-gen begins to be phased out, the standard will have to be raise on PC regardless. Because of this, I wouldn’t be surprised if the rise of the 1650 is more of a stop-gap GPU.

[@DisamerdScroll]

More like 2070 Super due the next gen consoles yes also Linus forgets total numbers, rise of 1650 is due to laptops If u check 3060 has higher total share (since desktop and mobile variant are separate IDs vs the 1060 and 1650) and TOTAL number u have ALOT of RTX now, 3050, 3060, 2060, 2070, 3070, etc

[@hhvhhvcz]

this basically also notice how the 1060 had decrease of almost 2%, basically if they took survey results one or two months earlier, it would be still the 1060. Personally, i'd be more curious about where the GPUs settles after holidays cuz im fairly sure 30 serie is gonna take its reign judging by my friends who has finally got their hands on it, just two year later than they thought.

[@DisamerdScroll]

@@hhvhhvcz 1060 laptops got replaced with 3050/3060 ones while 1650 laptops are still available to buy as the cheapest options so yeh Also continuing to watch the vid and Linus doesnt even bother to mention how current GPU prices its all Radeon for the best value, a low 200$ 6600 wipes the floor with the 1650 and 3050 lol

[@superscatman4236]

@@DisamerdScroll Why would he bring up AMD cards. This is a video about the average PC. Nvidia has a bigger market share so they are going to be the average.

[@DisamerdScroll]

@@superscatman4236 He is mentioning a better value alternative, the 3050 isnt REALLY it He could even mention the 1660Ti if u want tho since its all around 200$

[@darktube_gaming8592]

I used to have a 1650.... a year later I upgraded to a 3060 for $320, was definitely worth it. The 1650 is a good first gpu but now that games are getting more advanced quickly it is best to upgrade as soon as possible.

[@louzynerd129]

i bought the 3060 for $650 in October 2021 💀

[@lixobounce6588]

​@@louzynerd129 bro 💀 you can build a decent pc for that price now (ofc with used parts)

[@louzynerd129]

@@lixobounce6588 welll yeah it's sad, but i always buy new parts

[@andrewb9595]

Just built a PC with a 1650 GDDR6 (single fan) a few days ago. Although this is a custom build which absolutely required the use of the 1650. It's only 4L and uses a pico-psu and power brick instead of a standard PSU, so power efficiency and size were HUGE factors. It also has a 5709xt, 16GB (4000MHz) ram, 4TB nvme m.2, a B550I Auros Pro AX and noctua NH-L9a. I'm still setting up emulators and such, so I haven't really done any gaming on it yet, but it only uses about 35W at idle.

[@Yummybees]

Why get the 3050 when you can get the RX 6600 brand new for a hundred dollars less?

[@deathFrom4bove]

I saw in Amazon in my country that rx 6600 are same priced or less than GTX 1660ti/super

[@semiedgv]

Yeah got an RX 6600 a few weeks ago and it's a beast. Probably the best price to performance gpu available

[@joemarais7683]

Or a 6600xt refurbed from eBay via MSI or Asus for $220. Only talking about Nvidia here feels calculated.

[@kramermccabe8601]

Agreed. I picked up a rx 6600 for $189 on black Friday. It's closer to a GTX 3060 than a 3050 and like half the price

[@QuackZack]

@@joemarais7683 Cause it was the most popular GPU brand. Nvidia might lose their grip with the insane 40 series pricing? Idk.

[@jasonpoler]

Actually surprised to see 3060 and 3070 so high up. Nvidia must've made a butt load with the 30 series cards with or without the price hike.

[@PixelPioneer23-q5p]

It's because of laptops, and possibly marketing + issues the RX 6000 had with dx11

[@OlaftheGreat]

The latest steam hardware survey has revealed the 3060 to be the new most common GPU

[@jaxsoncookie4169]

I feel so lucky i got a rx 6600 for 210 dollars on newegg for black friday

[@BriBCG]

It's crazy how GPU prices still haven't really adjusted from their inflated supply chain problem + pandemic + GPU mining(that one was huge) prices.

[@yewtewbstew547]

It almost feels like none of those factors were ever really as big as we were told, and GPU companies have just been profiteering the whole time. Almost lol.

[@TheIceholeCanadian]

I would disagree, at least in my area. There are BNIB 3060s,70,and80s on marketplace in my area for HUNDREDS less because scalpers and miners got screwed. hell I just picked up a RTX 2070 for $175 Canadian monopoly dollars for my "Series X replacement" pc. That's 130 Cheeseburgers for the Americans

[@BriBCG]

@@TheIceholeCanadian I was moreso talking about MSRPs, but even the secondary market hasn't seem the impact I would have thought considering all the miners have no use for the cards anymore.

[@superscatman4236]

@@TheIceholeCanadian Yeah, up here in Canada prices are all over the place. Best buy has partner 3070's for $800, but the 3070 TI Founders edition is $820. Who is going to buy a MSI 3070 for $800 when you can get a TI for $20 more. The 3050's on Bestbuy are $400, meanwhile on ebay I can get a used 3070 for $400-500. Canadacomputers had the 6650xt for $350 and the 6750xt for $500. If it wasn't for the fact that I do a lot of VR I would get an AMD card because those are some pretty great deals.

[@TheIceholeCanadian]

@@BriBCG All my research has show Nvidia to be the problem. They made so much money from the miner/scalper days that they are going to keep the prices high to make up for the lower volume. Not much 3rd parties can do when Nvidia sets the prices on their cards. Look at EVGA, they just said screw it and left the market entirely.

[@Arylist]

0:41 you did a mistake in the subtitles by typing "GPS" instead of "GPU's"

[@EpikPaprika]

@@Arylist thanks

[@amirko15]

the content ya'll post (like this video) have helped me save tons on PC builds - keep up the good work, and thank you!

[@philipcampbell4096]

Dang you really did get rid of Anker, respect. Also lets see how the new guy (for LTT ads) fares

[@AMalas]

They've had ugreen for a while, before Anker got the boot

[@bradysadie1]

@@AMalas didn’t they drop ugreen for a good bit though

[@AMalas]

@@bradysadie1 maybe ugreen took a break from advertising

[@commander3494]

What happened to Anker?

[@RiloElton]

What did anker do?

[@bunglr5350]

glad to know I'm always below average!

[@CallMeTheWaffle]

I love how the three things Linus mentions as being only on PC are also available on Xbox

[@ryderostby]

Have fun paying 59.99$/year

[@wanderingwobb6300]

Yeah a Series S blows this thing completely out of the water in value.

[@masterrugg22]

@@ryderostby I've never payed that for xbox gold , and a series s at $240 you've saved $500 over this build its a no brainer

[@jplegend98]

@@masterrugg22 however tou haven't included xbox gold

[@squidwardo7074]

yeah consoles are great until you want to play online lol. or do anything other than play games and watch movies. pc gaming is a little bit more expensive which is why its a lot better

[@michalev]

A note for an error in the close captioning @4:36 the CC says SETA instead of SATA. Small correction that might want to be fixed.

[@Toddimyre]

As another comment mentioned, I agree with the laptops probably being the main reason for the 1650 increase. As a retail sales associate, I know that a lot of my customers are looking for a laptop that can do some gaming while still being pretty affordable. I also deal with a lot of parents that have children wanting an inexpensive gaming computer as well, and they usually fit their budgets pretty nicely. On a personal note, I don't too much care about the latest graphical upgrades when it comes to gaming. I definitely prefer game play over graphics.

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

Most modern games are shit anyway. Pay to win and gambling simulators. Engagement Optimized Matchmaking everywhere, online only DRM bullshittery, etc. Due to that, a GTX 1050 and i7-7700HQ laptop is still holding up fine for most stuff I play.

[@soogymoogi]

Same. I mostly play narrative heavy titles, indie and AA games. Stuff like Disco Elysium, Sunless Skies, and Pillars of Eternity 2, as well as similar, newer games (just naming some all time favorites) run fine on my ryzen 5, 16g of ram and radeon 590 gpu, and I'm probably not going to upgrade unless I get hardcore back into MMOs or an AAA pc only title catches my eye