The Most Average PC 2022

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RIP the GTX 1060 6GB. The 1650 is now in first place, so we went digging through the rest of the Steam Hardware Survey to see if any other major changes have come about in the last two years.
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[@horuslupercal3872]

I have a feeling the majority of these 1650 that steam reports are from laptops, as all the popular entry and affordable laptops have 1650s

[@DarkestKnightshade]

It's really sad that the 1650 is considered the average considering I've found so many 3050 ti laptops for cheap.

[@hailgod1]

yep, therefore the 3060 is actually the most popular, because they split it up this year.

[@mrpiratefox4497]

@@DarkestKnightshade i mean the only saving grace of the laptop 3050 is DLSS, its still limited to 4gb of vram compared to the 1660/ti laptops and specially the 3060 laptops

[@mrducky179]

@@DarkestKnightshade 3050 laptops aren't cheap everywhere, i love in india and they are usually and 1k usd thereabouts, whereas a 1650 laptop can be had for just 600

[@Smile.911]

Even if it's cheap people don't upgrade all that often

[@Na0uta]

the avg going down is crazy, you'd think so many years later we would have a big step forward.

[@volvo09]

I am surprised. I really thought something like a GTX 1070 8gb would have moved up to the top spot, especially with them being roughly $100 to 150 used.

[@TheZoenGaming]

It's because there are many more gamers now who got a PC during the Scalper War.

[@poochyenarulez]

there will probably be a big change next month with GPU prices having gone way down.

[@KikiAelita]

I wonder how much of this is due to economic hardship in existing markets, how much is due to gaming emerging in new markets with less economic resources to begin with (developing countries in South America, Africa, or South East Asia etc), and how much (lol) is people realizing that it doesn't need to require what the cutting edge looks like now to make a really great gaming experience.

[@RMSLtnick]

well the thing is... the GTX 1060 was eventually avaialble for that oh so sweet 200 bucks mark... finding a DECENT, ACTUALLY MIDRANGE GPU for 200 us hasnt really happened since.. so when the current "midrange" is actually low end in sheeps clothing the average becomes... you guessed it worse (if only marginally and tbf the 0.1 and 0.01% fps numbers went up due to faster CPUS) THAT BEING SAID... buying USED at the 600US for just the system should be pretty fun nowadays

[@matthewbyrne2755]

You Could Almost Call it the "nPC"

[@Caporal_Hicks]

Non Playable Computer 💀

[@nicofischer788]

You need ryzen 5 5600+rx 6650 xt, at least for ultra graphics at 1080p resolution. This is bare minimum for gaming. 15 days of salary in the USA is enough to buy it.😁🤣😄

[@fenixspider5776]

@@nicofischer788 ah yes the advantages of living in a first world country

[@nicofischer788]

@@fenixspider5776 I'm not from USA. I live in Europe little country Georgia. Average salary is $200 month. People in my country paying credit 2-3 years for iPhone.✅🤑🤞💲🤣🤗🤏😱😂😁😁

[@waynebutane1338]

@@fenixspider5776 Trust me, there is plenty of people living in first world countries that can't afford much more than rent, food, and what they need to live.

[@jakubblaha4904]

I wouldnt say the "average GPU" went down in power. GTX 1060 was simply very VERY popular and once people start upgrading (be it to new or used), they disappeared into the void like cotton candy in water, some to 2060, some to 2070, some to Super variants, some to 3050, some to 3050Ti, some to 3060....which ended up putting 1650 as "most popular" because no GPU properly picked up this lower end segment.

[@Carnology]

That's not really accurate. The GTX1650 was relaunched by nVidia during the GPU shortage and is still sold today by major outlets, many people buy it because it is significantly cheaper than a high end 30 series card and offers good performance in most popular titles.

[@goncalomoura9816]

@@Carnology He's kinda right, but I also think people buy it because they are misled by the low 75W TDP when in reality an RTX 4090 or RX 6950 XT use even less power than a GTX 1650 at the same 1080p settings with locked FPS, and also because people like to cheap out on the power supply, and assume you need an high end one to run a midrange GPU when in fact you can get away with a good quality 400/500W PSU even for high end cards.

[@borademiray1997]

I think the main reason why the GPU shows up as GTX 1650 is because since the 1000 series, there are no more mobile variants (minus the max-p and max-q variants) and many cheaply priced laptops kids play on seem to have GTX 1650 in them. Reckon this is a result of a bunch of gaming laptops swarming the survey.

[@mryellow6918]

instead of this they should have done a video on what is the average performing gaming system is, where you convert all the gpus/ cpus on the list to a performance metric ( probs an average of a few games ) then average that data with the percent of people with the different systems, then pick the gpu that performs the closest to what ever the average is.

[@jakubblaha4904]

@@mryellow6918 I would definitely watch it if they do this

[@StaviKay]

5:48 yet another demonstration of Linus' brilliant dropping skills

[@andrejohn9104]

amazing

[@madnessofmen]

Another episode of linus drop tips

[@mr.atombomb8014]

I think he may have shattered the side panel if you listen closely at 6:50

[@halowize]

Another entry for Linus dropping things in 2023 compilation.

[@DekkarJr]

drop it like its hot

[@akaluke]

Only Linus can somehow manage having 3 sponsors in the same video

[@WayStedYou]

Regular TV has entered the chat

[@techworks.]

yeah

[@Iambestforreal]

linus moment

[@KrakkenXXX]

Yeah greedy asf all he thinks about is taking more money from the viewers. Makes a easy cozy life for him atleast right?

[@sj-red]

@@KrakkenXXX taking more money from the viewers? 😂 you pay for sponsor spots do you? So entitled, it costs money to plan, record and edit videos so of course they’re going to make as much as possible

[@j.m.mendez6091]

As the owner of a Lenovo Legion 5 with a ryzen 7 4800h / gtx 1650 combo I can say that so far it has been able to run pretty much everything I throw at it. Totally recommended if you, like me live in a 3rd world country where everything is hella more expensive and the idea of been able to play any games at all at 720p - 1080p sounds attractive to you.

[@arvindraghavan403]

Its understandable. But i would rather suggest peeps to get Rx5500m, 6600m laptop or 3050 atleast. i also live in 3rd world country as per westerners terminology Xd. i have an 1650 laptop and Rx5500m one aswell. and my god was i surprised how good the 5500m really is. compares equally to a 3050. i saw so many mixed reviews about it. but its well better than 1650 tbh. i got mine for 600bucks. MSI brvao 15 with ryzne 5600h, 512gb ssd, rx5500m, 8gb ram & 144hz screen

[@j.m.mendez6091]

@@arvindraghavan403 600 bucks? That's a pretty good deal man. Was that brand new of refurbished? Here in DR that's what you would pay for a good, office laptop with integrated graphics and not near as good screen.

[@anibus8315]

why would you get a laptop starting with really low specs, is pc building a dead business

[@mudit1]

​@@anibus8315mostly college students buys gaming laptops

[@eggtarts286]

Because you can't lug even an ITX, screen and keyboard everywhere and also expect to have decent power everywhere you find space to work in. You don't buy a gaming laptop because you want to squeeze 40 minutes of elden ring out at your university canteen, you buy it because your computer has to spend the day in five different classrooms and then still return to the dorm for some heavy homework overnight.

[@EdwinPohan]

Key takeaway for budget/bang-for-buck is that it’s important to find the balance of budget and what most people are running on their system so devs actually optimizes it for the hardware that would benefit you the most.

[@derf5045]

at first i was like "700$ ???? i paid around 600$ for my 10400f rtx 2060 build" then i remembered i already had a monitor, keyboard and mouse and i also tried to not spend too much on my case

[@raikitsunagi]

Who needs a case, when all you need is a motherboard box 🤔

[@Karv3r]

@@raikitsunagi I don't know, a large pizza box sounds like a nice investment

[@raikitsunagi]

@@Karv3r imagine being rich enough to buy PC parts *and* a large pizza smh

[@derf5045]

@@raikitsunagi put your standoffs in the wall smh

[@kyles8524]

in all fairness a 40 dollar case works just fine, as long as it can house a 120mm fan in front and back your good to go.

[@owenmcalevey7206]

We need an "oldest pc" build

[@atharvabhosale3529]

Yessss it would be so fun

[@RealCyberCrime]

Windows 95 gaming pc lol

[@atharvabhosale3529]

@@RealCyberCrime that would be too easy something like oldest pc of this year a pc some one from the audience can easily build and they won't have to hunt for parts

[@MrDrewseph]

Plenty of people running old old stuff, for fun "Mac colour classic" is a thing, plenty of 486 dos boxes out there, and xp computers are popular again

[@Sossingro]

The "Turing" build

[@ev-ezaye3580]

Best segway yet! Holiday deals from Micro Centre.. the 'weather outside might be frightful, but these Holiday Savings are so delightful'!! In keeping with the Holiday season, just awry how it came so close to 'frightful'! And yeah those MC deals are just Super!! I believe I first heard of them through LTT some 5 odd years ago! But this year I made the jump!

[@casedistorted]

Oh my god kill me lol

[@Ziddane1996]

Hey Linus, I love watching your video and always feel like I learn things about computer, I'm not computer illiterate but since I started my career I've fallen out of the scene. But one thing I always wish is a video where you explain the benchmarks and what the 1% lows mean and why these graphs are important for people who aren't versed in all of the micro details of computers. PLEASE make a video explaining what the info means. I get its 20% better but the true why always eludes me. Great content thought my man. Its been a blast watching your channel grow.

[@UnlightenedWolf]

1% low means, the lowest it can drop to when it stutters or loads alot of stuff, the avg fps changes very quickly, it can go up or down, 1% low is like 1/100 times it will drop to that fps, hoped it helped

[@axipher]

0:59 I love the "built-in (intelligence chip name) chip" that they put in their chargers, really makes me feel warm and fuzzies for a brand when their marketing can't even make up names for things properly

[@seifenspender]

Wow, nice catch!

[@bodhum]

LOLW, authentic Chyneese experience

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Amazon is full of these. It all is the same cheap-o Shenzen OEM design with a different label. Which is a serious problem. It is a black box. Sometimes you get somethin better than some premium chargers imcluded with big brands and sometimes they are dangerous crap with lacking important security circuits. Then there is the whole mess about counterfeits. And real brands fucking up once they earned themselves a good name. I was a big fan of Syncwire back when they made cables that lasted for years and even delivered a free new one when you break them due to stupidity like tripping over the cable. Did some reviews back then even. Now they are bottom of the barrel quality.

[@bigbubba0439]

Bro I didn't even notice that lol. I just skip the sponsors most of the time. That's why I don't buy from KZbin sponsors, especially since a lot of them tend to be scams

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

@@bigbubba0439 - hey you can totally use a high quality Kamikoto knife to slice through a certificate that declares you to be a Scottish lord. 11/10 legitimacy!

[@Voltaic_Fire]

This should be a yearly thing. I enjoy knowing this information, it's right up there with building the Steam system survey.

[@joshjlmgproductions3313]

I doubt the entire survey results change enough within only 1 year to make this an annual upload.

[@thienphucvu9654]

@@joshjlmgproductions3313 maybe 2 year?

[@zuubu]

2:53 Used LGA2011 Xeons have become increasingly popular among low-end gamers, I myself know a couple of people who use such kits. I think that might also play a role in this.

[@marcelodemoraesielpo8068]

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

[@BroFestorDota]

saw some of the benchmarks and actual gameplay they do stutter sometimes.

[@Hamborger-wd5jg]

i used one, a Xeon E5 2667v2 with a GTX 1660 Ti

[@CH0NKIN]

This is actually my complete first build - part for part (other than the motherboard and power supply). I STILL have my G502, but I upgraded a bunch since then and now have the G PRO :)

[@atomicgearworks]

I suspect the increase in the 1650 popularity is also related to the suspected increase in laptop usage for gaming. A lot of gamer-branded laptops under $1000 are using the 1650.

[@robertopazsoldan9641]

I have a nitro 5 1650 and i can play elden ring on high 1080p 60 fps is an awesome game i love my 1650.

[@MiDLiFECRYSiS]

​@@robertopazsoldan9641 I have a Victus 15 with it and it's the same deal. Thing runs great for my needs on a laptop. I'm not here to push crazy graphic settings for that. Will satisfy my needs until I can build a rig when I move to a bigger place

[@Garykun_]

i have a 1650 in a laptop it works great 700$ for it total

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

It isn't. It specifies which ones are laptop versions.

[@mrbuttocks6772]

@@theindooroutdoorsman Yeah and BECAUSE they are in laptops, they are shit. Seriously mine has a 1650 and it gets thermal throttled so hard by the terrible cooling of the laptop. I can only 'just about' run No Man's Sky on low settings comfortably. Instant I turn it up though, it lags worse than pig shit smells.

[@brandinio]

I love how since Anker was dropped, Ugreen stepped up to the plate and took that opportunity real quick lol

[@ArturoTabera]

R.I.P. Anker! Long Live UGreen! At least until we know better. That's the circle of life now, i guess.

[@thebabno]

I was thinking the same thing. Shout out to Linus putting his money where his mouth was. On the podcast, he said he liked Anker but this is something that just has to happen.

[@nathansavage8692]

@@BahhBahhBrownSheep anker is the parent company for eufy, on WAN show, linus said they were done with them over the privacy scandal

[@MrChezco1995]

@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Anker's sub-brand, Eufy, did something stupid.

[@realmadru394]

@@BahhBahhBrownSheep The parent company lied about on of their security devices storing data locally. They talked about it in a couple of recent WAN shows.

[@blindfaith8777]

For deciding the GPU, it may be helpful to sort the list by performance benchmark, then find the median.

[@vivisimonvi]

8:13 I like how it's mentioned that there would be better options in the description and yet there are actually 0 mentions.

[@nathanforrester5140]

I LOVE when people come to my shop with a list like this because it gives me a chance to save them from such a HORIBLE build. I normally get them in an i5 or Ryzen 5 with a Rx6600 and a 144hz 24 inch gaming monitor for around $800 to $850. I encourage them to save a few hundred more so they can move up to a 6700 xt or 6750 xt. That move up really gives that build more life.

[@bigbubba0439]

I have a 5600x and 6700 xt, and I can verify that it is a beast of a build. I paid a bit more for better-looking components, so my build isn't the cheapest you can get the parts, but still a great combo (and you MUST have every one of those 12 gigs of vram, since I've used up to 11.8 gigs while playing Microsoft Flight Simulator. If you're playing games like that, a 6700 xt is a must even if it's just for the vram)

[@beseakos]

Honestly the jump from the normal 6600 to the XT or the 6650XT is worth. Upgraded my 4GB RX570 to a Red Devil 6600XT and oh boy it’s way better for less than a 3050 in my region.

[@phoenixyt124]

Rx is fucking cancer get a 3060 or Ti.

[@beseakos]

@@phoenixyt124 regional pricing is a thing. A 3060 costs 30% more here in the EU for the same performance in non-rt and workstation applications. It’s not worth the extra if you are playing in 1080p. Especially because neither the 3060 or the equivalent radeon card can play RT in acceptable quality and framerates. The budget consciois option is always buying used though, but buying brand new it’s really not an option to go for nvidia at that price range with local availability and pricing in mind.

[@JawKnee86]

​@@bigbubba0439 I second the implication that GPUs should have more VRAM. 8 gigs is not enough, and it hasn't been enough since the 1080 came out. I easily use all my VRAM without even adding mods to most games, but forget about it when I do.

[@gretchman]

Having a museum of average gaming through the years, being able to go from station to station playing the most popular titles from the day would be so fun.

[@beseakos]

They did that once but I think we need a refresh of that video now.

[@randombrit13]

@@beseakos I think the one version of this that they did was dream rigs from each year. And the second part was super rushed, and kinda low quality.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And going through them to see how far back games are still playable. I mean, I played Doom 2016 on a 660 Ti and a Core 2 Quad and it was enjoyable enough. Obviously at low settings, because the 2013 midrange GPU isn't enough for that 2008 CPU

[@bondjovi4595]

Thanks for the heads up on MicroCenter. I just found out they sell solder stations, hot air stations, etc.

[@abekline]

BIG ups to that Sceptre monitor. I have a HUD in my front hall that used the previous gen version of it and it lasted 4.5 years of literally 24/7/365 use. Grabbed this one when it died and it's spectacular for a kickaround monitor

[@ty.davis3]

It's also to note that 26% of gamers have 8GB of VRAM, which might suggest that even though the most popular card is the 1650, the most average card would be something with 6 or 8GB of VRAM.

[@volkswagenginetta]

My guess is a lot of rx 570s and 580s due to then being on sale for less then 100 bucks on ebay and matching the 1650 in performance

[@ty.davis3]

@@volkswagenginetta Yeah that makes a lot of sense. The chart at 13:41 also shows that, even though dominated by Nvidia, the most popular performance isn't that much higher than the 1650 (the 1050ti is up there)

[@lifewhydoyoumockme]

Yes. To get a true average you'd have to dump all the entries in to excel and sort them by 3D mark score or something like that and then pick the median. Looking at how popular the 3060 laptop GPU is, I expect a true average desktop GPU is something around the GTX 2070 range.

[@GigaChadAlucard]

@@lifewhydoyoumockme ehhh i wouldnt say that gen of a gpu, unless talking 2060 instead. For alot of people the 20 series was a massive disappointment and either stuck with a 10 series or went to a 30 series. in fact of all the pc users in my area or that i know on discord, everyone either has a 10 series, 30 series, or an amd equivalent of either, only one person has something like a 2080 super. the 20 series seems to be forgotten to them

[@superpork1superboy771]

@@GigaChadAlucard I think what he's trying to say is that the average gpu performance would be around the performance of the 2070, not that the average card would actually be a 2070. I could be wrong, though.

[@royalmafia22]

Using 12th gen feels like it’s not fully in the spirit of the average gaming pc, you have to imagine that VERY few people are actually running brand new chips vs the massive amount of Ryzen 3000 and intel 10th gen and older

[@DiamondDepthYT]

This ^

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

pretty much! i still use a GTX 1050 and i7-7700HQ (7th gen Intel) laptop lol

[@Andrushe4kanka]

i5 11400f would be better option

[@CanIHasThisName]

Whether you're looking at 2600, 10400, 3600, 5600G, 11400, 12400 or 5600(x), the gaming performance is virtually the same with a GTX1650, making the specific choice of CPU a bit arbitrary for this video. The specific model isn't as important as the fact that we've seen a massive shift away from quad core CPUs and saw a huge rise in popularity of not just hexacore but also octacore CPUs, with vast majority of gamers having hyperthreading. 12th gen isn't brand new anymore and is affordable. Even in the last video they went for an older i7, which absolutely wouldn't be more common than an i5, but a lot of people already had better CPUs at that point, which is also the case now. Right now, the most popular newly purchased CPU in many regions is Ryzen 5600 and 12400 is the same performance bracket. It gets a bit more complex with OEM gaming builds and gaming laptops, but the picture honestly isn't that different. For the next few years, these CPUs will be the golden standard. More than 65% of gamers on Steam HW survey have Intel, making the 12400 a bit more average than 5600.

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@Nurse_Xochitl Man your laptop is slightly less powerful than a Steamdeck. Yikes.

[@bijdikh8516]

I remember about a year ago looking for a new GPU to upgrade my 970, and the 1660 was around $350 at the time. A year later, I was able to pick up an RTX 3070 for $370.

[@eculhane]

Being able to play the game will always be the most important hurdle. Being able to crank up the quality is a bonus.

[@spazzypengin]

This build is VERY similar to my own. I went with the B660M DS3H because it was the cheapest option in stock back in February, and I went without a GPU until I could get a 6650XT for not extortionate prices back in September. Considering how casual my gaming is and we really only use it for doing stuff in the Cricut, it’s been more than adequate.

[@GavinAeilts]

I'm rocking a machine with a 1660 super. I've been hearing the 16 series getting a lot of love.

[@bsigns1935]

same, powerful enough for me even with the latest game titles, if you don't mind the missing ray tracing ofcourse

[@jamezxh]

They suffer with 4gb VRAM. I have a super in my 2nd rig and it really struggles these days. And RX 580 8gb is heaps cheaper and far better.

[@saahus]

i have a 10 year old secondhand machine with intel integrated graphics that cant even hit 60 fps on minecraft lol.

[@xeon39688]

@@jamezxh my laptop rtx 3050 has 4GB too

[@ImJustAKwimpOfficial]

@@jamezxh sorry what? I have a 1660 super and mine is rocking 6gb of gddr6? 1650 does use 4gb but that’s not what OP was talking about….

[@andrewb9595]

Just built a PC with a 1650 GDDR6 (single fan) a few days ago. Although this is a custom build which absolutely required the use of the 1650. It's only 4L and uses a pico-psu and power brick instead of a standard PSU, so power efficiency and size were HUGE factors. It also has a 5709xt, 16GB (4000MHz) ram, 4TB nvme m.2, a B550I Auros Pro AX and noctua NH-L9a. I'm still setting up emulators and such, so I haven't really done any gaming on it yet, but it only uses about 35W at idle.

[@jorceshaman]

It's nice to see you're using Red Dragon. I never heard of them but picked one up at Micro Center. $50 for a keyboard, mouse, headset, and mouse pad. I was iffy but it looked like a decent deal. Edit: I wrote this before seeing the end sponsor. Rather fitting. The Madison Heights, MI store is closest to me and I always enjoy going there. It's about 40 minutes from me and it's nice not waiting for things to be shipped.

[@RothAnim]

I've had remarkably good luck with them. I'm using a Perdition MMO mouse and the Devrajas mechanical keyboard with aftermarket Akko switches. The software is not good, but the hardware is pretty solid! The mouse, especially is outperforming the Razer Naga and G600 that came before it, primarily because the tracking doesn't completely freak out if a cat hair gets into the sensor.

[@TheGoncas2]

Imagine the 1060 being the most popular GPU on the Steam survey for several years, only to be dethroned by a WORSE GPU.

[@jimmymyers]

Likely budget gaming laptops making this happen

[@wanderingwobb6300]

1060 isn't split up into 3 separate SKUs like it should be. Meanwhile the 3060 has both a laptop and desktop SKU in the survey. Combined it overtook the 1060 quite a few months ago anyway.

[@squidwardo7074]

only because of laptops. it should seperate it by laptops and desktops. i bet desktops are way higher than before. most people I know have a 20 or 30 series card by now

[@hailgod1]

3060 isnt worse than a 1060.

[@veol]

Finally we go Linus tech tips average build it been so long

[@TheFirstNellah]

I saw the TR2 box and was waiting for the shower of sparks when the PC was switched on. Slightly disappointed in no fireworks

[@phil2of3]

The subtle glass break sound at 6:50

[@zx-3948]

The GTX 1650 is also available in low-profile variants, meaning it can be put in just about any older, or even modern, SFF office PC and instantly make it a decent gaming machine

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup, that is always a big factor. The whole idea of buying a used prebuild, throwing in a decent GPU and start gaming hasn't dissapeared.

[@erikanybody4298]

Even more importantly the 1650 is the fastest and best GPU you can have that doesn't need a power connector. And it runs effectively in a 3.0 PCIe system. NOTHING in the AMD 6000 or Nvidia 3000 or 4000 series can run in such a system. (The sole one that can fit, the AMD 6400XT, is so shitty that an old 1050 TI beats it in any non-PCI4 configuration). Which means if you have anything made more than 2 years ago that doesn't have another Power connector, the 1650 is literally the best you can get. Nvdia and AMD fucked up BADLY by ignoring the used office PC market. And I mean royally fucked up. There's a huge demand for a 3050-class gpu that takes a single slot and needs only 75W.

[@zx-3948]

@@erikanybody4298 it's a shame companies like AMD or Nvidia aren't making such GPUs anymore. Laptops have gotten to be very powerful in recen years. Just image a 30 series gpu that in the same form factor as the 1650

[@NotRezzOnYT]

@@erikanybody4298 Not the fastest, technically the RTX A2000 is the fastest GPU without a power connector. But it doesn't make sense to buy that for reviving an old PC.

[@janemba42]

I don't think graphics fidelity will take too much of a hit. Maybe a tiny step back before it plateaus, then will skyrocket towards mid/end of life for the current consoles. So like 5-8 years from now.

[@phoenux3986]

There's also been some pretty large leaps on the software side of things lately that I feel aren't taken into consideration. Like Unreal Engine 5 and its nanite system (though there's nothing out there from unreal 5 yet is probably the reason )

[@janemba42]

@@phoenux3986 Notice how a lot of developers are using Unreal Engine 4 now? Because that adds the option down the line of upgrading to 5. I'm genuinely surprised we haven't seen games yet that take full advantage of 5's features. But I get the feeling it's not too far off.

[@wanderingwobb6300]

It's not taking a step back. Devs target consoles first PCs second so as cross gen keeps fading away min specs are only going to go up.

[@steel5897]

Shit is going to get real as soon as ray tracing becomes the norm rather than the exception tackled on top of raster, it's the next huge leap forward in graphics. Probably the next generation of consoles (PS6) will be full on about ray tracing as a core feature.

[@steel5897]

And don't kid yourselves, consoles drive game development. You don't get big leaps in graphics in games until consoles "enable" it. Plus if something like Crysis came out today even PC gamers would hate it because they can't immediately max it out on their midrange GPUs, it'd get review bombed like Portal RTX did. So... stagnation is here to stay for a while.

[@BenieTheDragon]

NICE to see a Thermaltake PSU be a good deal (and safe to use) for a budget build, like my 700W.

[@mattthemouse1]

10:40 the Razer Bassilisk Hyperspeed is usually on sale for $35. It’s dongle and Bluetooth capable, making it great for laptops

[@claytonfromtexas]

You should do a Top Gear type leader board. Where after every PC build you run a benchmark and compare it against all the other computers you built that year. And you give each build a fun name.

[@Baligante]

Admittedly, I do believe the reason the 1650 is continuing to get a lot more popular is because of budget gaming laptops still coming with it. The machines coming with 3050s are still a fair bit more expensive, and the 1650 remains as the lowest end dedicated GPU you can get as of now.

[@naipigidi]

I dont think i should call a $800 dollar laptop a budget laptop, its like calling a $1000 phone a budget phone…

[@Baligante]

@@naipigidi Budget as far as as (new) gaming laptops go!

[@matcraftou]

For the MOST average, I have: Prebuilt Acer case 8gb ram prebuilt 8gb ram Corsair Zotac GTX 1650 Toshiba 1TB drive prebuilt mb Core I3 8th GEN I really wished that I had the time but mostly money to build my own PC so I bought a ~500$ Prebuilt acer and frankelsteined it with differents parts!

[@papuce2]

If the Toshiba 1TB is HDD, then definitely upgrade to SSD - it will give you a VERY nice boost in the overall system feeling - fast boot, fast app starts, fast loading... It will not give you FPS, but the system will be actually friendly to use, not slow and sluggish as with HDD ;-) Ofc you will need to reinstall windows on the SSD or just migrate it from the old HDD to the new SSD, samsung and others offer software tools to do that easily ;-) PS: Make sure you buy a correct SSD supported by yout morherboard, e.g. dont buy PCIe 4.0 if you motherboard only supports older variants, or only SATA connections etc.

[@matcraftou]

@@papuce2 So, since this unfortunately is a prebuild , it says ssd but i thinks it'a a hdd by the speed and soud. And, I don't use Windows, I use Linux BTW.

[@ezecskornfan]

add a ssd to boot up whenever you can.

[@elib2559]

Toshiba sounds like an HDD, if you want to bring this system to life please update to an SSD and keep the HDD unplugged when reinstalling windows/linux.

[@mikef8846]

I am actually really surprised the most common amount of RAM is 16GB. A lot of PCs have been sold with 8GB and still are, and a lot of mainstream users never upgrade anything.

[@iiBus]

Mine came 8gb but I upgraded to 16gb literally just 2 days ago. Very good decision.

[@ominoussage]

Yeah, 8GB just ain't enough for a common gamer.

[@mmis1000]

8GB is likely to be completely filled by your background programs and a browser together. And full memory would cause disk swapping and shutter, result in a very uncomfortable user experience. I don't think it is useful for gaming in nowadays standard. Selling a non upgradeable 8gb gaming pc or laptop in 2022 is simply a scam in my opinion. (Unless you only do paperworks with them)

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@iiBus Yeah nearly every game I play uses more than 8GB of RAM nowadays. Not _drastically_ more mind you, around the 9-10GB mark seems to be most typical. I figure 16GB will probably be fine with the majority of games for a few more years of modern releases. Probably for the remainder of the current console generation.

[@craiggerhardstein7305]

@@yewtewbstew547 the ps4 had 8GB of ram and the PS5 has 16 but those are shared between the GPU and the rest of the system so we most likely we see at least 24 in a ps6 maybe 32 if sony really wants to push the system

[@socat9311]

I found that my father had 2 old pc towers from 25 years ago. I am talking 5-pin Din slot for the keyboard on the motherboard and S3 Virge video card era ! I would love to see a video from that time, maybe building a "new" old pc from that time and settimg up nextstep and/or Dos. What a time :D

[@michalev]

A note for an error in the close captioning @4:36 the CC says SETA instead of SATA. Small correction that might want to be fixed.

[@zackkoukios8123]

GTX 1650 may be the single most popular GPU currently at 6%, but 26% are rocking 8GB of VRAM. If you go by quantity GTX 1650 is the “averagest” but I suspect if you instead looked at average gaming performance across all steam hardware surveyed it would be something more like a GTX 1070 or 1080. With a lack of a clear bang for buck leader these last few years, I have a feeling 1060 upgrader sales have been more evenly distributed across the product stacks of both AMD and Nvidia and the highly competitive RDNA 2 and Ampere matchup have likely spread the market out as well. Pascal was a truly dominating era for Nvidia so it’s not super surprising to see any single GPU SKU less overwhelmingly popular.

[@Gabu_Dono]

13:04 A “most budget” 4K build video would be cool. Because a good 4K monitor is a worthwhile long term investment, but not cheap.

[@JoseHenriques97]

The hexa core thing is due to chinese marketplaces sellings loads of Intel old Xeons for countrys like Brazil.

[@virtualtools_3021]

Yeah x5650 is cheap as dirt as is ecc reg ddr3, along with motherboards made from scrapped chipsets

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

@@virtualtools_3021 5650 is outdated now. You can now buy a 12-core Haswell Xeon for less than $50 which is a steal quite honestly. E5 2670 v3 has 24 threads and is mere 20 dollars. You cannot beat its performance per dollar with any new CPU, gaming OR productivity wise.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

probably coupled with an ungodly amount of people who bought the Ryzen 5's and i5's for half a decade

[@iwantum]

@@manoftherainshorts9075 i rather go with Xeon E5 v2, so you can get that cheap DDR3 ECC. Recently build a server for only 340$ Dual socket C602 board 2x Xeon E5 - 2697v2 (48 threads) 64GB ECC GTX 1060 6GB I could have saved 60$ by going with a 2670 v2 10core. Prices are dirt cheap for projects like that

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

@@iwantum DDR4 on Aliexpress isn't that expensive now. Also not everyone can make use of 64 gigs of RAM, 32 will be perfectly enough. In that case more CPU performance and cores is preferable, in my opinion. Also there are specific motherboards that allow using DDR3 ECC with certain v3 Xeons, like E5 2673 v3. V2 is quite honestly just obsolete.

[@Caladas]

Would be cool to see a revamped version of this video in today's PC landscape! :D

[@Furion223]

being a budget gamer for life , vids like this really help. tyty

[@ayvyrfps]

why for life? you can be rich one day if you work hard enough bro. keep dreaming and working

[@ty.davis3]

Linus took a chance to say '69' and passed it up? Not nice. 2:57

[@jimmymyers]

I paid $600 for a lightly used MSI Trident 3 with a 1660 Super and i7-10700. Even the msi rgb keyboard and mouse that came with it were brand new

[@amirkouretchian4954]

the content ya'll post (like this video) have helped me save tons on PC builds - keep up the good work, and thank you!

[@lisandromiereshoyos2606]

I wished I could saw this build with the GTX 1650 GDRR6 version card, I have the Zotac single fan OC one, and it works like a charm for everything from Dishonored 2 (at tweaked settings like rat shadows and such) still amazing video! Greetings from South América

[@IItsIgor]

Dishonored 2 enjoyer 🗿

[@ven7165]

Because previous gen and budget gen parts are being sold as if they were mid-tier parts. Recently I only buy used or on-deal stuff cause companies don't offer better performance for same last gen price anymore. It's just more performance = more cost even if they don't make last gen stuff anymore.

[@CanIHasThisName]

It's a really weird time right now. People actually don't consider the likes of 3060 being midrange GPUs. It's gonna take a while for the market to adjust.

[@helgenlane]

When 1660ti is the same price as rtx3060, something ain't right

[@Nikos90g]

After watching Linus for such a long time im pretty sure i can make my own gaming pc (:

[@dergodi]

Same but I still feel like I know jack shit

[@demrasnawla]

Yeah bro you can do it, believe in yourself, I built my first one about 10 years ago when I was 13 just by watching LTT and other channels

[@aarong9378]

I built my first PC in 1986. It was very difficult, including having to install individual RAM chips one at a time. Today’s computers are easier than the average Lego set to put together. The difficult part today is to make sure that all the parts work together. There are plenty of sites to assist in this process, though.

[@thatdudeghosty6817]

That my friend is actually legit That's how I built my first pc, it was just from watching vids to the point where I felt comfortable knowing that i could make semi right choices

[@BlazePas]

If you can put Lego together you can build a PC, frfr

[@Jacksons2000]

It scares me how similar/identical these components are to my current PC

[@stevenwex8966]

Hope you keep this series going, sounds like good New Gaming PC build guide. I'm rocking a i7-4790, GTX 1060, 16gb Ram, 430 watt power supply and a 15 year old case, but Windows 11 might force a new build in a few years.

[@crackajacka87]

Lol this setup is similar to mine, I currently have an I7 4790k (was I7 4790 recently), GTX 1060, 32gb ram and a 600 watt power supply. I'm currently looking at getting a new GPU, either the 3060ti or a 3070 but maybe better depending on value in FB marketplace and I hope the I7 4790k will hold otherwise I'll have to get a new board, new ram and the new CPU and I'd rather spend that money on a new monitor instead.

[@NotSoGoodDark]

A lot of people still use old 4th gen i7s. More use 10th-12th gen i3s though. They may not be great but not terrible. I reckon the likes of i7 4790 are gonna be below the minimum at 2023-24 and the i3 10100F would be at minimum requirement. Also, another addition for the "Linus Drop Tips Compilation" at 5:48 if anyone was looking for it.

[@jubayerwasidraiyan5874]

the 12th gen i3s are absolute bangers

[@DiamondDepthYT]

i3 10th and 12th gens are great cpus. As an i7-4770 user, I fully agree with you here. My 4770 is struggling in 2022, barely able to run Virtual Reality.

[@RayanMADAO]

I3-12100f beats a 7700k in basically everything

[@kwlkid85]

4790 won't be below the minimums because laptops exist. Most modern laptops have CPUs worse than that.

[@berkbuyankara777]

i still use i7 4790 but planning to upgrade this year

[@josephleoned]

The introduction was a perfect example of feeling so weirded out but can't look away lol

[@ninkanoob416]

Just watched the Average Pc build 2020 yesterday and here we are again

[@XzTS-Roostro]

As an associate at an Amazon sort center, I've seen that NZXT case go through our building a lot.

[@NizarElZarif]

the gtx 1650 is popular in budget laptops, that is why it's market share is improving. Realistically, you should pick at least the RX6600, you can get it for around 250$, or if you can improve your budject toward rx 6700xt which can net you close to 360$

[@darkmaster539]

Budget laptops still count to the average gamer. There's no reason to pretend like it doesn't. That said, the steam list shows "laptop" next to the laptop versions. It's the 3060 laptop that seems to be coming for the top spot from the 30 series.

[@unkahussun]

I have a 6700xt in my current build and it hits well above where I thought it would. I play a lot of console-oriented titles on my TV at 4k ultra with a wireless controller and it chooches along no problem. It's an amazing card to be mid range.

[@arthorgaming6687]

Ya I don't get why they recommend a 3050 and the rx6600 for 220 bucks and is just as good or better than the 3050

[@squidwardo7074]

Or a 1650 super, which is like $30 more than a 1650 (at msrp) but good luck finding one new for that price. Imo just save for an extra week or two and get a 3060 for $300. If you're so tight on money that you can't afford an extra 150 when you're already spending a few hundred you shouldn't be building a pc

[@teapouter6109]

@@squidwardo7074 Why advocate for the 3060?

[@cheeseisgreat24]

My favorite part about this is that I have literally helped people price out and build these kinds of builds to match their budget and it’s nice to see my usual advice to people be validated.

[@Zrksys]

for gaming yes, for anything else the r7 5700x can slay anything in its path value wise..especially if its 1440p and/or higher gaming included...the power supply tho...ugh..get a bronze at least people..1080p monitor.. hurts my eyes for the past 5 years how low that resolution is..like most of the games people play can be played on a qhd resolution..dont cheap out on the monitor...you will upg your system sooner or later to that level where it can handle it with ease and the monitor wont die on you...your eye sight health is way important than a 100-300$ cheaping out..

[@Lycosa]

It was actually less than 2 years ago when you made the first "average gaming PC" video. Feb 2021. But yeah it's been a while and these are fun :).

[@akkir6707]

i think 1650 is most popular right because of the recent lockdown which force student/workers to work for home and base on experience with college a lot of people opt for laptop that have this gpu since it's both capable and reasonably priced. partnered with 1080p display it's quite a decent gpu for gaming in 1080p

[@VaioStreams]

nice work. When I priced out an average sub 1k machine for some of my friends, that was about the price point roughly hitting the same specs. I usually recommended the AMD ecosystem was the only big difference. I usually harped on them about the case, suggesting the better air flow (as you did)

[@-KayK-]

Technically the 3060 is the most popular gpu, as if you combine the mobile and desktop versions together its 7%.

[@kooldogkid149]

That’s exactly what I was thinking too

[@quackatit]

The mobile version is technically different.

[@re4796]

@@quackatit yes, it's better Has more CUDA cores and is only 20FPS behind the desktop variant 🤣

[@rkjj.]

@@re4796 how is it better then lol

[@Ray-dx2pf]

@@rkjj. Well in my experience you can undervolt it slightly and outperform the desktop variant. With significantly less watts l.

[@clintonjones2404]

I’m in the process of building a whole new rig but for now I’m still rocking the EVGA 750ti. That little old card really is a beast. I’ve had it for around 5 years and it’s still going strong

[@blobofblutack]

I'm running an FX8350, GTX970 (bought second hand from a friend after I had to RMA a faulty RX card that they couldn't replace or repair), 24GB DDR3, SATA SSD for Windows, SATA HDD 2TB for mass storage. Most of the games I play (Flight & Racing Sims, Logistic Games, RTS, Base Builders/Sandbox, Engineering Games) I feel like I'm bottlenecking with my CPU since I'm more than willing to drop graphical settings. More recently I'm starting to feel the struggle and have to be more careful before I purchase a game.

[@kualajdm]

YES! Linus justifying my choice of a H510 Flow! I took one look at the base and elite variants and those look like they would hotbox any system. A bit finicky to install a front mounted AIO and minute tolerances on the top for a single fan rad. Not a tonne of intake but very nice to build in and looks really nice, its a work of art compared to my CM Storm Enforcer. The magnus opus of generic 2010 Gaming PC cases.

[@nirast2561]

So interesting tidbit: Steam's survey adds the laptop and desktop versions of the 1060 and 1650 as a single number, while it does NOT do that for the 3060. If you add the desktop and mobile versions of the cards together, you get a 8.05% share, beating the 1650's 6.27%

[@Nobody13579ify]

Really feels like they just didn’t do their research.

[@frederickjosephsheppard4681]

Did they say that somewhere or are you just going off the fact that no 1650s laptop version is listed? Which if the latter is the case I'd reckon that it's more likely that they just pry make up less than 0.15% of the market. Just curious because I would be a bit surprised if steam's not just polling from the hardware info of the machine, which should automatically determine the type of GPU unless NVIDIA doesn't mark laptop/mobile [phone] products on the hardware.

[@meinacco]

I see your point. However I think the different approach is justified. In older generations the mobile and desktop versions of Nvidia's chips were actually pretty much the same as the name implies. But in the 30 series they jumped the shark and named massively inferior chips the same as higher tier desktop versions.

[@Ray-dx2pf]

@@meinacco see it gets even weirder though because the rtx 3060 mobile has more cuda cores then the 3060 desktop

[@joemarais7683]

@@Nobody13579ifythey mentioned it, and it seems like the writer just didn’t care.

[@majesticpurple5540]

aye that red dragon kit was my first mouse/keyboard/mic kit lol

[@NotOkayChamp]

5:40 I myself got a WD Black SN850 1TB for 100 bucks! I was eyeing the 970 Evo Plus but the WD Black had Gen 4 speeds so I grabbed that. NVMes are surprisingly very affordable now. Kinda crazy

[@pauliwrathddr]

Praise the 1650!

[@Randomninja47]

I wonder if the average going down has a lot to do with prebuilts. My sister and brother in law both bought prebuilt PCs instead of letting me help them build their own and like almost all of this is what they're running out of the box (we plan to make some upgrades later)

[@lawyerlawyer1215]

I think a lot has to do with the rise in popularity around KZbinrs & streamers and influencers in general. Pc gaming used to be a more “adult” thing. Children or young teenagers would ask their parents for a console and that was that. Pc gaming was more complex , more niche thing. And in its core , it still is. Dealing with upgrades , installing things , updating drivers . Consoles are plug & play. But there is a trend now Every kid, pubert or teen . Wants his RGB computer , with led rgb lights on the walls too. They want the twitch streamer look on their room. I get it , I’m 28 and my room looks like that , I’m not critiquing liking that aesthetic , but compromising a lot of performance to achieve it. They of course have no job or salary, so their parents have to buy it. It’s actually sad , and ironic. For the first time , these young kids , live in a moment , where getting a console destroys PC gaming in bang for the buck. Since , to this day , 2 years after they launched , you have to spend around 1k$ to get ps5/ series x performance , and that’s with out keyboard , Mouse , and monitor. Yet , they choose this moment to become pc gamers Just for the looks. They don’t really understand about hardware, they don’t fully get that just because it has lights and looks cool and big , it is a powerful machine. But they like the looks of it. Honestly I feel really sad for all this young ones.

[@steviejoe66]

I think it's due to an overwhelming amount of laptops coming with 1650 gpus

[@CanIHasThisName]

It definitely is. In fact I think it's mostly laptops (unfortunately the survey didn't start separating desktop and laptop GPUs until the 30 series). During the GPU shortage, getting a laptop or a prebuilt was the most affordable way of acquiring a gaming machine. And the GTX1650 made it into some very cheap laptops.

[@TheNuno190]

You might be right. I bought a prebuilt HP Victus that has a Ryzen 5600G w/GTX1650. Budget couldnt go more but wanting to upgrade to a RTX3060 due to having a 550W power supply

[@aleksazunjic9672]

It mostly has to do with gaming being secondary activity for byers and recession hitting hard. People need something relatively inexpensive for everyday tasks, that could also run some games, not necessarily latest and greatest. PC is after all multipurpose machine, not game console.

[@Boinkera]

crazy how different the australian market is but also just how much the market has changed recently.

[@loveableterror674]

I have felt I built a nice middle of the road machine back in 2021, 10700KF, 3070, 1TB NVME with 2TB SATA. Only non-middle of the road thing I have is the 64GB of DDR4 RAM I have, that has been a constant headache to get running at advertised speed. I literally only have this much RAM due to a freebie I got and it occupies all slots and looks nicer (eh?). Seeing that the 1650 is the card of choice is so weird when you have the RX580 8GB which is still a baller GPU to this day with more VRAM and better shaders, and 20 series cards are getting affordable to the point that a 2060 is not much more to pick up. I can only guess it is the rise of gaming laptops that are available at big box stores like Walmart and Costco that have 1650/ti in them that are easy to grab and dont require much thought when buying.

[@berkayjan11]

If only you tested some recent titles with FSR on this GPU. Could be very interesting and surprising.

[@jdog631]

The interesting thing with the 1650 is that there's also GDDR6 models out there! The bus is still only 128-bit, but the faster memory does help it a decent bit.

[@jamezxh]

The DDR 6 version is the super version. Either way I don’t understand how the card is still relevant in 2022 with its 4gb VRAM, when you can easily source a 8GB RX 580 for half the price.

[@junaid12345678901234]

@@jamezxh there are 1650 gddr6 non super variant. For me personally 1650 is the safest bet considering 580s were used for mining.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@jamezxh Given the choice, yes few would pick 1650 over 580 but two things to remember; there's A LOT of 1650 laptops, can't GPU swap those obv. And two, 50 cards are easier to source than 580s in many markets (IE India/South America).

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@jamezxh easy, you're buying cheap "gaming laptops" or crummy prebuilds and never touching the components.

[@rinsenpai135]

@@jamezxh GTX 1650 Non-Super has multiple versions: - Base Desktop: 896 CUDA cores, GDDR5 and 75W TDP, on TU117. - Base Laptop: 1024 CUDA cores, GDDR5 and 40-50W TDP on TU117 - Also has a Max-Q variant with 30-35W TDP. - Refresh Desktop: 896 CUDA cores, GDDR6 and 75W TDP, on TU117. - Refresh Laptop: 1024 CUDA cores, GDDR6 and 40-50W TDP on TU117 - Also has a Max-Q variant with 30-35W TDP. - There is a GTX 1650 non-Super model with TU106 chip - same chip as the 2060 and 2070 but RT and Tensor cores disabled. They have a TDP of 90W, so they require a 6-pin power connector. It has GDDR6 memory and 896 active CUDA cores. - There is a Desktop GTX 1650 non-Super variant with the TU116 chip - used for GTX 1650 Super and all GTX 1660 variants). It also has GDDR6 memory and 896 active CUDA cores. - Some laptops also have a GTX 1650 Ti Mobile variant based on TU117 chip with GDDR6 memory, they have the same amount of CUDA cores as the other TU117 GPUs (1024 cores) but they run at lower frequencies. They also have a Max-Q Variant which is also rated at 50W TDP, but runs at much lower frequencies. - There are also GTX 1650 Ti Mobile variants on TU116 chip, also with GDDR6 memory and 896 CUDA cores.

[@Ametisti]

I'm really surprised. Last time around my computer was hanging on as about average, and even though I've done nothing other than upgrade the PSU and storage a bit, it's now... differenter. i7-4770, 16GB DDR3, 8GB RX480, 1TB SATA SSD and 2x 2TB HDDs. I do have that mouse though, and did get it on sale, paired with a G910 I got on a different sale, on cheapy multimedia Dell board before that. I /did/ spruce up my monitor from 21" 1680x1050 @ 60 to 27" 1440p 165hz, and can say the bump to 1440p didn't hurt framerates too much, though I don't make use of the refreshrate bump much, I wanted the Freesync more, and for when extra frame were available to maybe make use of 'em.

[@nightcrawler2615]

bruh that steam hardware survey doesn’t even appear for some players, and when you wanna force it with command taks absolutely nothing happen…

[@aidanocallaghan169]

This is great for me to hear, going from a 2core 10year old i3 with 8gb of ddr3, up to a 5600x with 32gb of 3600mhz ram. I'm looking forward to those performance increases.

[@Anonymoose66G]

No need for the 32GB of RAM just get 16GB and spend the remainder on another upgrade (unless you do editing or something along those lines) 16GB is fine for gaming.

[@aidanocallaghan169]

@@Anonymoose66G 32gb was on sale, only an extra tenner. And I do modelling so that extra ram is always nice.

[@Anonymoose66G]

@@aidanocallaghan169 In that case the extra 32GB is extremely worth it 👍. Where did you get it from?

[@aidanocallaghan169]

@@Anonymoose66G I got it on amazon, I'm European though so the German site. It might have been an extra 20, it cost me 110

[@Anonymoose66G]

@@aidanocallaghan169That's interesting for me 16GB is 49.50 and 32GB is around €100 on Amazon goes to show how being in a different region/country may drastically effect pricing.

[@ismailcassoo]

would be interesting if you could do a series of budget vs high end builds by country. Based on availability and pricing in those countries.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

high end is same in every country, budget will slightly differ in countries like China, Taiwan and USA

[@Reelix]

@@vipvip-tf9rw The US pays $150 for a component that I pay $400 for here in Africa. The difference is absurd.

[@TheGoober404]

the pvc bending when putting on the cooler scared the shit outta me

[@nisnast]

And four months later, the RTX 3060 has taken the top spot as the most popular graphics card on Steam Survey, with over 10% of users having one

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Uh, no it hasn't. It's in third with 4.51%. The laptop version is in fourth with 4.35%. They're not the same.

[@nisnast]

@@theindooroutdoorsman there was an error in the survey that was revealed shortly after I made this post.

[@cutieapplepie]

@@theindooroutdoorsmannerd

[@alun1038]

A small reminder that there are GDDR5 and GDDR6 versions of 1650. In some games the GDDR6 ones perform much better, like in Cyberpunk for instance.

[@Enevalence]

8:15 I think they forgot to add those alternative PSUs

[@progamerr4999]

I'm suprised that there aren't that many people who noticed this. I would really like some recommendations for PSUs.

[@pxrks888]

@@progamerr4999did you find one ?

[@twocows360]

it's worth pointing out that there are 3 or 4 identically named SKUs of the 1650, which you can see more clearly on wikipedia's page on the 16 series here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_16_series#Desktop they're similarly specced for the most part, but they *are* different... most significantly, the transistor count, die size, and NVENC support change depending on the SKU.

[@cat5kable]

It’s December 2023 and I’m looking forward to an update! VERY curious to find out if and what GPU the average PC now uses!

[@iKarrott]

LTT be like: "Friendship ended with Anker, now UGREEN is my best friend."

[@blubullie4850]

I got my G502 Hero mouse from Game Stop for free with the purchase of a Blue Yeti microphone. Don't be afraid to keep looking if you don't find the deal you are looking for.

[@dbadaddy7386]

GPU RAM is so crucial. My Alienware 17R5 has a 1080Ti with 8GB, and I have the Graphics Accelerator with a 2060 with 6GB. Other than ray tracing, both cards have essentially identical performance. Depending on the game, one will be consistently 2-3 fps over the other. I considered upgrading the 2060, but the lid on the Graphics Accelerator doesn't lock right now because it pinches the GPU power cable. The GA has more than sufficient power, and there's more than an additional inch of horizontal space, but vertical space is cramped.

[@jahbless6955]

I guess the reason why GTX 1650 is very popular in steam is that the computer shops are mostly using this card. Whenever I visit a computer shop, it has 1650 in it. I have my own pc but I tend to visit my old mates in the computer shop sometimes just to bond.

[@ZaHandle]

The actual reason: It’s cheap and have acceptable performance

[@curtheisler1200]

This build is a lot like mine in some ways. Ryzen 5600G stock cooling, 3050 (which I overpaid for during the peak of GPU prices), B450M pro S, 16Gb Vengance LPX (8x2), and some M.2s, and a bunch of Noctua P14s for the case, which is a Thermaltake S100. Using 3440x1440 monitor @ 75hz. The only RGB on mine is the small strip on the motherboard that I didn't know existed. Feelin' pretty average!

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

I'm glad a review site is benchmarking a $100 motherboard and a $60 case. Also, the 1650 might be due to the Pandemic insane prices and people saying "I'll get something to hold me over until the price gouging is over..." I got a Black Friday laptop for around that, which has an RTX 3060. The screen is crap though, and you'll need to upgrade the RAM, but it works well.

[@generalwhine5350]

Maaaaan. 2020 pandemic year (ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO) I found LTT KZbin and built my first hackintosh for under £600 - AMD 3100, MSI B450, RX580, Corsair 2x8gb 3200MHz, EVGA 500W, Corsair Spec-05... Amazed to see this is still slightly above average and was budget for 2020! I did my research apparently... Hoping to upgrade to a RX5700XT and 5600x CPU for blender renders soon! Amazed at my 2020 self!

[@that_flight_guy]

You guys should definetly look in to the best DCS world setup, since you made the best MFSM

[@210Artemka]

I think the reason why this build seems a little awkward is because you take in account North American prices for new and used hardware. GPU market is different in Europe, China and Russia. That also might be the reason why the average CPU clock is so low: I know that there are quite a lot of people running old Xeon processors in gaming rigs.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup 1650 is starting here around 190€, 6500 XT at 200€ and 1660 around 270€ for new cards. That has to be either Xeons from the Core 2 lineup or from the Nehalem (1st gen Core i) generation. After that the most popular Xeon was usually the E3-1230, which was the equivalent of an i7-2600/3770/4770/4790, but without iGPU and in price close to the fast i5 (2500/3570/4670/4690)of it's generation. Basically the same thing as a 13700F nowadays. And saving money by getting an i7 at the price of an i5 means 100 bucks to throw into the GPU, which easily got you from a 670 to a 680, from a HD 7870 to a 7950 or from that to a 7970, from a 760 to a 770, from a R9 280X to a 290, or from a 1080 to a 1080 Ti And precisely these earlier Xeons are easily overclockable. On the Core 2 chips via FSB, on the Nehalem via BCLK (which didn't have half the system hanging on it, so upping it by 50% isn't a problem) Those CPUs usually go anywhere around 3.6-4.4 GHz. They can also be cooled with the Hyper 212 Evo. I have one of those machines myself. TL;DR, the old Xeons are easily overclockable to much higher speeds than what their stock clock reports and the later Xeons were clocking higher and could give you a step up on the GPU basically for free.

[@210Artemka]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I have mostly addressed the e5 series of xeons. Those CPUs can be found on AliExpress under 50$. They have 8-14 cores and base clocks of 2-2.5 MHz. Overclocking them is quite a challenge, especially if you are using refurbished MB from the same ol' good AliExpress, so most people running them on

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@210Artemka yup, the sandy bridge and later have basically no headroom since everything is tied to the BCLK