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@haapysoxoxo53869 ай бұрын
I like that Angela said that the question to ask is not "Will I make the summit?" but, "Will I get safely back?". If you feel shame in turning around, you don't belong on the mountain.
@kkonrad41659 ай бұрын
@@Mt.Everest. which part of that comment is gossiping? People die on mountains all the time. They have a phrase 'summit fever' for a reason.
@pollypockets5089 ай бұрын
@@Mt.Everest. I'm annoyed with you not understanding the definition of gossip.
@VladRadu-tq1pg9 ай бұрын
what a clown..@@Mt.Everest.
@kegsofvomitspit9 ай бұрын
I have never climbed in the Himalayas, but I’ve lived in the Rocky Mountains and have climbed many 14ers in my day. Always remember: the summit isn’t the destination, it’s the half way point. Descents are riddled with danger and being constantly cognizant of that fact instead of basking in the post-coital glow of a minor accomplishment is in your own best interest. You can pat yourself on the back when you’re back at home.
@kegsofvomitspit9 ай бұрын
@@Mt.Everest.: You are quite literally passing judgement while simultaneously telling others to not pass judgement. If lacking self awareness was a sport, you’d be an Olympian draped in more gold medals than Michael Phelps.
@JustOutHereTinkering9 ай бұрын
I feel like a Sherpa's job should be to guide you on your route, give recommendations on rather its safe to climb, set your timeline, double check equipment and safety apparatus, tell you when to go or turn back.... Specifically "GUIDE" you up the mountain. If you require a Sherpa to pull you up with a short rope or physically carry you down the mountain then you probably have no business making these climbs.
@19thnervousbreakdown805 ай бұрын
Maybe. But if you have people who worship the dollar because a trivial amount to you or I could change their future, don't depend on them carrying too much about your health. You better get a guide who deals in the same currency you do. The sherpas and guides know better. What about that? Just because you don't like a certain type of person and will always support another type renders one incapable or honest discourse.
@xenophagia5 ай бұрын
@@19thnervousbreakdown80???
@rudimatt34322 ай бұрын
There’s a lot of people in the mountains that have no business being there, but the have the wealth to buy their way in, at least for a time.
@js703715 ай бұрын
The rivalry and competition between these two women led directly to their deaths. Personally, I would not be any more impressed by a person who had climbed fourteen 8000m peaks than I would be by someone who had only climbed one. Great channel you have here. Liked and subscribed from Canada!! 🇨🇦🙏
@EverestMystery5 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and thanks so much for subscribing. I will be following the story about the planned retrieval of the four bodies that are still up on the mountain in the spring of 2024. Good having you here
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posts
@rickwrites26129 ай бұрын
Wow i didnt realize it was Lama Sherpa that died. He had just summited the 14 peaks. What a man. Damn so tragic.
@xenophagia5 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's tragic, man.
@theresachung7034 ай бұрын
This was so unnecessary
@tsjackson729 ай бұрын
I absolutely LOVE her! This woman is not afraid to be honest instead of gentle and calls a spade a spade. I hope this will lead to saving lives. Go Angela!! I loved this interview and thank you for bringing it to us.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Angela is a rock star! Unsung hero 🔥 thanks for watching ~ I’m glad you enjoyed it
@tsjackson729 ай бұрын
@@Mt.Everest. Thank you for your input, but I consider her to be heroic. There is nothing that leads me to believe she is a gossip. 4 lives were lost. Perhaps if folks realize the truth might be told, they won't engage in dangerous behavior putting not only their lives at risk but their sherpas' as well. Remember none of the pros went up for a reason.
@stanislavkostarnov21579 ай бұрын
@@tsjackson72not necessarily a gossip, though quite likely... I think she gave her real motive with her "72! too many people summiting" statement... whether a good climber or not, calling a spade a spade, she is quite clearly reaching retirement in her career as a mountaineer... and the fact that climbing the Sacred-Chalices of mountaineering is becoming so commonplace clearly bothers her... what are her achievements if hundreds of climbers have summited the highest most esteemed peaks??? what people think of as healthy or unhealthy competition is questionable... genuinely, big sportsmen/sportswomen often have a nemeses in achieving there goal.... this is probably unhealthy but normal for that high tier. one can even say that, arguably, healthy sane people do not go climbing the most dangerous mountains they can set their eyes upon... it is insane to think that going to the mountains is safe, and ones who hire young Sherpa are usually the kind of people who want the help but ultimately make their own decision rather than rely on a guide.
@dana1020839 ай бұрын
@stanislavkostarnov2157 wow... Annapurna being one of thecmost. And arguably is the most dangerous mountain eith k2..you don't need to be a mountain trainer to know lineups is a death sentence in the death zone, in close areas, avalanche zones and the remoteness. 72 people is absolute insanity when statistically around 30%, that 22 people on the mountain could die.. no more info is needed to make that assessment. To go after her age and ego isn't called for. No one knows anything so best not make any assumptions on either side.
@toebeans65688 ай бұрын
@dana102083 absolutely agree with you!
@djohnson24499 ай бұрын
I hope Angela Benavides comes back for follow-up interview after subsequent coverage. Obviously, a very important topic that needs broadcast. Thank you for video.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Angela is a rock star. I'll certainly have her back again sooner than later.... Thanks for watching
@divinecommerce39129 ай бұрын
Let's start making safety rates more important than Summit rates...
@carriemummy9 ай бұрын
I recently watched a documentary of an experienced mountain climber who trained really hard for Everest, including lots of breathing exercises to get his oxygen levels up and he still struggled on the mountain. Then you have people with no mountaineering experience who think they can just go and climb Everest no problem. It's absolutely crazy!
@chek63038 ай бұрын
That is altitude sickness in one sentence. Also, younger people tend to die from it more because they ignore the symptoms
@melodymacken97889 ай бұрын
Great interview. I feel that egos on a mountain can be dangerous. RIP. New Zealand 🇳🇿
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching.....so true about the egos on a mountain...and sad!
@bizzo19549 ай бұрын
"I've said it a thousand times; emotions have no place above 8,000 meters" - Dave Hahn
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posts
@stonehengeconstructioncc1705Ай бұрын
Please say that again,🙄
@donhearn22488 ай бұрын
Sherpas out there in front of the group running rope to the peak, in some cases towing "record setters" tied behind them .....how is any of that a record.
@EverestMystery8 ай бұрын
Many ask the same.... thanks for watching!
@angelmartin73105 ай бұрын
Can the sherpas not refuse to continue when things get too dangerous?
@sergejmaher1449 ай бұрын
If nims purja and mingma g turn back on their last mountain before the record, u know its time to get the hell out
@Nimrod-BuckysHuntingTips9 ай бұрын
Another great interview. The mountain doesn't care how beautiful you are or how competitive you are. It doesn't even care about how much or how little experience you have. But,the mountain should be respected and it doesn't look like that's the case here. RIP
@kamakaziozzie3038Ай бұрын
We love you Thom! You continue to make quality videos about Everest and often include interviews. Don’t know why you sometimes get negative feedback. Just letting you know your content is much appreciated👍
@EverestMysteryАй бұрын
I really appreciate your kindness and for taking the time to comment. It means a ton to me. Having been at it for awhile now, the negative comments represent an extremely small slice of those that visit the channel. Thank you so much, it's good having you here!
@peteredwards52989 ай бұрын
These mountains are no place for hubris and egos. The lack of respect these climbers are showing towards them is the antithesis of mountaineering
@ew65889 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. Couldn't have said it better.
@brendanoneill14669 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing this story. This story made my ears twitch when I read it originally, it just seemed odd. Knowing that there was competition, and not friendly makes it all the more tragic. I really mourn the sherpas and appreciate that you stress their presence.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
I wrestled with this story and this video for some time, as I feel it's important to truly explain what's happening in the world of mountaineering now. Angela is very honest, and puts the right words into the 8000 meter peak scene. Thanks so much for your support of this channel, and thank you for watching!
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
Guiding is not viewed the same way in. Himalayas Asia as Europe, North America, Australia or other locations. Labor and route finding and summits are more of a focus. They viewed as being accountable from other guiding communities around the world. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments.
@denim_ak9 ай бұрын
So glad I found this channel
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you found it, as well! Thanks for being here
@effkay36919 ай бұрын
I don’t think a mountaineer dying at 8000 mtrs is a tragedy. Dying at over 8000 mtrs is actually quite expected and completely normal. A tragedy is whilst walking to work of a Monday morning a tree falls on you.
@SHARON.I9 ай бұрын
🤔wasn't it about the landslide 🤔
@CarLa-dn9ms9 ай бұрын
Exactly 🤷🏼♀️
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments
@effkay36915 ай бұрын
@@davidrioux611 Yes. It is.
@simbalantana45724 ай бұрын
It's most definitely a tragedy when a Sherpa dies working as a guide to support his family.
@lescook90219 ай бұрын
I've been fascinated by mountain climbing since the early 1960's when I learned of the 1st successful summit of Everest. However since the 1996 tragedy, with the rare exception, I've looked with disdain at most climbers, who aren't actually climbers, but more like baggage. Large sums are paid to haul that baggage up to the top and back. No lessons were learned from '96 and none have been learned in the tragedies that have occurred since. And I don't have much compassion for those who suffer the consequences. Exceptions maybe for those who are trying ti earn a living and feed their family.
@6Haunted-Days9 ай бұрын
These were professional climbers not rich people being dragged up the mountain so I’m not sure what you’re even blathering about. Most these 8,000 peaks you’ve always needed help …..weird you’re AOK with it even with the 1st summit of Everest….
@lescook90219 ай бұрын
@@6Haunted-Days Perhaps a reading comprehension course would help, or maybe mental health treatment
@pollypockets5089 ай бұрын
Exceptions maybe?
@meredithheath52725 ай бұрын
I've only seen the beginning of story yet, but those two women look very arrogant. I do feel very bad for the Sherpas.
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
The two women were not professionals. They were being guided Asian guides and being lead in short roping technique. The guides share responsibility for the accounts. I invite you all to read my 2 posted comments.
@raheelhashmi90769 ай бұрын
Angela is always very detailed, authentic and unbiased.
@FC-cz6zd9 ай бұрын
Excellent, no nonsense presentation. Seems vanity will, on occasion, win out over humility and maturity.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, I agree. I'm glad that you took the time to watch!
@aptepushkaraj9 ай бұрын
Two sentences have got etched on my mind. 1. The mountain dictates the next move 2. It brings a false sense of invulnerability
@puma13044 ай бұрын
Everest expeditions without Sherpas are ABSOLUTELY impossible, but they never get the credit they deserve!!! THEY are the critical factor! And the same applies for all the others involved in logistics (porters, cooks, medics, pilots, etc), which in another way are also essential in all the effort. It would be interesting to know how much they are paid to do such dangerous and indispensable job, is it a fair share of the earnings? And the Nepali Government? how does it spends the money collected in permits and the like? Does it benefit the local communities? perhaps in providing clean water, education or medical facilities? That is a report I would want to see! Greetings from wild, wet, windy and wonderful Western Patagonia, Chile
@Tenebarum4 ай бұрын
Small groups and individuals have summited with no support.
@Kazwell1119 ай бұрын
What a senseless tragedy. Two people who were ready to die to feed their egos. I hope this is a message to people who put getting likes on social media above their own safety.
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
I believe social media may have influence them as well. I believe other contributing factors. I invite you to read my two post comments
@robertg.arbuckle68387 ай бұрын
Thank you Thom ! I see real people who know real things on your posts. The real people you put on make me ashamed for the people who twist things. Thanks again.
@DL-iq5zo8 ай бұрын
I appreciate Angela's clarity and wisdom regarding this incident.
@alaskabarb80899 ай бұрын
I always look forward to, and appreciate, Angela’s experienced, well-balanced reporting reporting on mountaineering news, especially in the Himalayas/Karakoram regions. Yes, the pressure of summit successes for commercial outfitters contributes to the statistics. But also just individuals’ competitive need for ever more individualized, extreme “firsts,” to elicit notoriety and sponsorships. “First ascent, first American ascent, first American ascent of all 8,000ers, youngest American, to whatever- youngest American amputee with asthma who skis and BASE jumps in a wing suit off the summit,” increases urgency and risk in an already hazardous sport.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your thoughts. Angela is spot on....damn good writer and super thoughtful and insightful. You can be assured I'll ask her for another interview sooner than later. Thanks again : )
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
I agree with some of perspective on commercialized guiding. and for recorded achievements. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments. I add they may have in fact been chasing first American woman to summit all 14 , but elite definitely not. They have been guided through there ascents.
@kattypatty85819 ай бұрын
I think we can agree....this should not be called an accident. They didnt want that outcome but they did little to ensure their safety....tho call it an accident is to minimize their responsibility
@bangDdrum9 ай бұрын
Great interview. Been following Angela's coverage carefully during this whole bizarre, needless tragedy. Really sad. Thanks for the thoughtful, insightful interview with Angela and all your fascinating videos.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. It means a lot and keeps me stoked to continue bringing more
@SmithTrek5 ай бұрын
It seems like some people climb with their ego, experience or not if you cannot put the ego aside, the mountains will humble you. And unfortunately, some of these people only learn the lesson when it's too late. Reminds me of the events on Everest in 1996.
@EverestMystery5 ай бұрын
yes, so true.... I think we will be hearing more about this story in the spring when teams go searching for their bodies....
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
Worse I believe. I invite you to read my posted comments.
@NefariousEnough9 ай бұрын
Thanks again, Thom. Be well.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thanks, you too! Thank you for watching
@emichin70108 ай бұрын
As soon as I heard they were ‘short roped’, it was an accident waiting to happen.
@humbertsmith88649 ай бұрын
Hmmm...maybe the mountain DID know what was happening, the motivations, the egos, the games being played...and decided "enough is enough". So sorry for the lives of these Sherpas in particular. Great presentation as usual Thom.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching! Appreciate your thoughts
@pollypockets5089 ай бұрын
I feel really bad for the Sherpas. And angry at their egos meaning the deaths of noble people who need to take care of their family.
@humbertsmith88649 ай бұрын
Beautifully put!@@pollypockets508
@angelmartin73105 ай бұрын
@@pollypockets508do Sherpas never refuse to keep going when conditions are unsafe?
@mariavieira64389 ай бұрын
Love your channel. When I saw the news, I thought was so oddly that there was two women after the same record. Thank you for explaining and thanks for being kind telling the history. I will dig more to your channel bcs I want to learn more about your life too!
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thank you and welcome! There is some good content on the way ~ good to have you here
@Thankyou423.39 ай бұрын
Great conversation, thank you for this
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@strummercash56012 ай бұрын
Just found this channel by the grace of the Gods of Algorithms. The stories are riveting and fascinating, your presentation is fair, insightful, honest, and delivered with humility, empathy, and grace. (Plus a very pleasant voice for listening. Anyway, thank you for great content. 🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota
@doreendaykin66939 ай бұрын
Respect & gratitude for the info, honesty and sharing! This was an excellent interview. 🙏💙
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@Dressagevids8 ай бұрын
The mountain made them equal
@Trish.Norman9 ай бұрын
Thom, thank you for posting. “What we have here is a failure to communicate.” -Cool Hand Luke movie Clearly, there was a lack of leadership and a chain of command in this instance. “Leadership isn’t one person leading a team. It is a group of leaders, working up and down the chain of command to lead” -Jocko Willink (Nims should have known this better than anyone.)
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Excellent insight....yes. A bunch of little mistakes and oversights led to the loss of four lives. It was very careless and unnecessary. Thanks for watching Trish!
@virginia29495 ай бұрын
One needs to park their ego at Basecamp if they are attempting to climb to the summit. Myself - I park my butt in front of the YT video about climbing there.. and enjoy it immensely - Thank you!
@frankwitte10225 ай бұрын
Great interview. It is a sad state of affairs, these races. If a climber puts themselves at risk by stubbornly going against the conditions that is one thing, we can all make assessments of conditions that turn out to be wrong. But if it involves the health and safety of others, caution should always prevail.
@picahudsoniaunflocked54269 ай бұрын
Not sure why YT turned this up for me but it was great, much food for thought.
@peek-a-moose24916 ай бұрын
Irresponsible women who were chasing a false dream of being the first woman to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter mountain peaks. Irresponsible expedition companies and possible questionable leadership. Collaboration and cooperation was not their game -- which is the opposite of mountain climbing. You cannot celebrate the summit until you are down. Personally, I don't like summit celebrations at the top, because the goal is not over until you have returned safely. This competition for record breaking and being the first at this and that has definitely proven to be a liability not only for mountain climbing, but for backpackers and people in other sports. There are more and more stories of people dying needlessly. Not bringing the right equipment, not making logical decisions and being selfish. The families of the Sherpas who died and got injured hopefully have contacted a good American ambulance chaser. Climbers must always collaborate. We don't know what casued the avalanche, but we do know both women walked off theregular route in new snow and very dangerous avalanche conditions. It is not unusual to trigger an avalanche by walking on unstable snow. I have seen avalanches, but thankfully never got caught in one. They are beautiful and extraordinary to watch from a safe distance. We must remember the collaboration of Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay! They shared the glory and got bac k down to celebrate with their friends and families....
@tomk37329 ай бұрын
I just came off Manaslu and for fun I checked the weather as climbing season on Manaslu ends on October 3rd. BC was already dismantled on September 30th. So no one actually went to the very end... Well, turns out local have a good sense of weather as when I checked the weather few days after it was terrible - not just Manaslu, Cho Oyu but also Shishsapangma. Winds were terrible - like up to 100km/h suspended. There was lots of snow. No sane person would have gone in such bad conditions. Fresh snow + heavy wind + 30+ slope. Come on. The two avalanche death shows total ignorance. Going straight for the summit is standard after doing 8000er on oxygen. They were on oxygen even in BC (some say camp 1). The both could have raced later or even next season in spring. 18:14 the problem here is not as she describes - a lot of guides will use "safety" to simply not go to the top, its a big problem.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Super cool that you were on Manaslu. I have some pretty cool videos and shorts about Manaslu on this channel, starting with the horrible weather last year in the fall, and the loss of Hilaree Nelson from the summit. Sounds like you know your stuff, it's good to have you here and for you to share your thoughts. Thank you
@dana1020839 ай бұрын
I totally agree and I'm a couch mountaineer! Kudos to your mountain tain successes/therapy. It's totally new to me to hear guides are refusing g to summit when it's possible to go-- do you think word of mouth is not enough in this community and to go elsewhere? Do you have any specific examples (really curious). But this seems like a suicide mission and the only logic seems to be competition. RIP
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I wrote two comments posted early I invite to read . I believe you will find my take of interest. I have been critical of both women, but was sure to give them credit for physiological adaptations based on prior ascents of other 8000 meter ascents. But participating in using oxygen early question myself, their decisions early on or even their physical status. I presume they were using oxygen early as an additional advantage and not recovering still from a previous climb or not allowing enough time for acclimatization. It’s important to track what the body is doing at lower altitude before oxygen is used or needed at high altitude. It’s been recorded the more used the possibility of higher complications if you run out. Debatable. Using oxygen early would improve performance through ascent but I believe would have a negative effect on acclimatization. Also performing with that aid negates any credit I was giving them for being physiologically well adapted!
@cypriano87634 ай бұрын
with my experience with backcountry skiing its always astounding how many risks some people take with avalanches in the himalaya and karakoram. to me its like having a death wish. you look at the south face of anapurna for example, its so exposed, how could a rational human who understands avalanches decide to go up there. crazy risk tolerance
@retriever19golden554 ай бұрын
As opposed to Hilary and Tenzing, who told everyone they had summitted simultaneously.
@trekkitindia9 ай бұрын
Great Initiative ! Thankyou so much for sharing this !
@jimmirogers34858 ай бұрын
This exact conversation has been going on since the mid/late 90s after the 96 disaster and Krakauers book "into thin air" came out. How do we stop this from happening? What went wrong?, why are so many undersigned climbers on that mountain? These 2 ladies were nit climbers they were riders... being short roped isn't climbing and should not count as a legitimate summit .. it won't chance until the country's that issue permits to climb decide to do something... guide companies won't self police ..
@anthonysears8719 ай бұрын
"What do you mean avalanches don't discriminate. But I'm rich!"
@Mattipedersen5 ай бұрын
These two woman clearly had no business being up there in the first place. Even if they did make it to the summit of all 14 peaks, the accomplishment would always be undervalued by the fact that a Sherpa had to pull them up the mountain. They may stand on the peak, but can someone like that really say that they conquered the mountain. The people in this category definitely deserve an asterisk in relation to their supposed "accomplishment"..
@em84cАй бұрын
I agree. There should be 2 categories of summiting. Those short roped should not be on the same list as though who climb it themselves.
@crusader.survivor9 ай бұрын
Anyone climbing with Sherpas, I regard as babysitting noobs! Sherpa does all the work for at least 2 people. Sherpas should get all the accolades! Summitting recognition should only be for individuals achieved without a Sherpa!
@angelmartin73105 ай бұрын
I agree but I also think Sherpas should turn around when conditions are too unsafe
@HealthCoach-TaiChiGung6 күн бұрын
Well done interview!
@davidrioux6115 ай бұрын
Everyone is focusing on 8000 meters. These conditions and weather exists at 800 meters. Yes 7,200 meters less. 8000 meters specifically designates oxygen levels in air composition. Understanding this changes evaluation of environment at any altitude. Both women had needed physiological adaptations proven with other 8000 meter ascents. They still lacked overall experience and technical skills and experience. They have been guided through all of their other ascents. Former IMCS Guide, Ice and Rock climbing instructor, White MTN MRS
@EverestMystery5 ай бұрын
David, thank you, great having you here....you are absolutely spot on with your observations. Really cool you were with IMCS....that's what got me started in this thing, many moons ago back in the 80's. Cheers and thanks for being here!
@SmithTrek5 ай бұрын
Absolutely I could agree, just as a tree climber myself, I can say I was told a very important lesson from one of my foremen I look up to who said, you can climb all the trees in the world with no problem, get to the top of 100'-200' Oak tree but it's the 20' Mulberry that could end you with simple mistakes! Lots of lessons to be learned for sure, and I continue to learn !
@gaypreator85478 ай бұрын
Inexperienced individuals, social media driven stupidity. Sad-sad, sorry I do not feel sorry for those women, but heart breaking for those young Sherpa’s that did not say “No”. No means no. Agree with if you feel shame in turning back you are not qualified to climb.
@bridget17808 ай бұрын
Foolishness if a person must rely on someone else to get them to the top. If they're not strong enough, don't go!
@kristymoore70528 ай бұрын
So ridiculously tragic. Nature doesn’t care.
@mybrothakeeper70206 ай бұрын
So their ego selfishness killed them
@fiddlersthree84635 ай бұрын
The Desperate Housewives of Everest.
@EverestMystery5 ай бұрын
Single, highly motivated and....unfortunately, caught up in a race against a mountain that could care less about a human life. Thank you for watching!
@butterfliesarefreetofly69648 ай бұрын
They were both greedy in getting to the top & ‘conquer’ the mountain. But the mountain had to humble them. They both put caution to the wind.
@EverestMystery8 ай бұрын
From all that I've seen and heard, you are correct....and two fine guides were pulled into it.
@davidpeters38579 ай бұрын
Excellent,informative content
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
I really appreciate that you took the time to watch, thank you
@Harryjmacneil9 ай бұрын
Ego can kill!
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
It certainly hinders good vision and decision making! Thanks for watching
@FatLittleBirdtheThird9 ай бұрын
I am not a mountaineer, but am a big outdoorswoman-all with minimal danger. I watch videos like this because I’m interested in learning about decisions these mountaineers make and try to understand why they choose to take such risk when are not prepared. This interest goes beyond mountaineering. Why do people make drastic decisions; ones that will change your life and those around you and you can’t take them back.
@angelmartin73105 ай бұрын
Ditto on every point!
@CPE1704TK55 ай бұрын
17:00 this pearl made me think of it a bit like this if we have been conditioned over time to “queue” and be more compliant and if the climbers aren’t the trailblazers that they once were… if you need a certain amount of success financially it could mean you need to succeed within certain frameworks so a level of compliance… there’s some sort of equation here I’m sure but I’m rubbish at maths 17:33 they havnt got the memo that they aren’t the trailblazers maybe because of the advertising
@samkelomambisa18977 ай бұрын
Wow. I'd like to know the story of exactly how it came to be that they both ended up with this one mountain to conquer. Same day.
@deroux9 ай бұрын
Great talk you two. Thank you.
@lovehealthgratitude7 ай бұрын
CORRECTION: Anna and Mingmar were recovered after the first avalanche. Gina and Tenjen are still missing on the mountain. 💔
@EverestMystery7 ай бұрын
I must not have been paying attention when doing the narration, as I do know this. Thank you for mentioning it and thanks for watching the video!
@Target..19 ай бұрын
Ones again ego money and search of fame have caused a tragedy None of these are a reason to climb any mountain and will always result in outcomes like this
@lifesahobby9 ай бұрын
Competition is so old school 1980s to me . Whilst teaching kids tennis i realised the damage competition causes. Great interview and presentation . Its a pity how they can call themselves professionals . If you die its not a profession. Especially tracking a record . But with that said , personal determination is such a difficult thing to turn off . RIP
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I agree....
@snicole0429 ай бұрын
Competition isn’t for everyone but ultimately it’s quite healthy. Many factors in play; determination, skill, and the ability to be okay with “losing”.
@susannahfox71889 ай бұрын
Seems to me there was a strong dose of narcissism in the mix as well.
@iAmazingGrace4 ай бұрын
I’m a climber and mountaineer that always follow Ueli Steck’s words: “Climbing is not a competition”. Because I think mountaineering is too dangerous to start getting “rivalries” or trying to push your limits to much etc
@CarLa-dn9ms9 ай бұрын
Maybe unpopular opinion: If they wanna risk their life (bc of ego), why bothering? Why should there more precautions? Why should there be restrictions? They wanna risk everything to make it into history. Let them. There are many very risky sports out there. Less complaints about them. Some do it especially bc of that. Shark diving, motorsports, climbing in general etc. If their families can't stop them why should strangers do it? There is still self-determination right? 🤔 (*real interested)
@Ali_Ali5094 ай бұрын
Well if I may present my opinion, the commercialization put in danger real mountaineers. I saw an interview with retired high altitude mounteneer who climbed all 14 highest mountains withiout oxygen and he said, that he would not go to those mountains now because there is so much people who create litterally traffic jams and put others in danger.
@CarLa-dn9ms3 ай бұрын
@@Ali_Ali509 I think I have seen this too. And sure, if you are a danger to others, you should be removed. But if you are only a danger to yourself, it's just on you.
@Ali_Ali5093 ай бұрын
@@CarLa-dn9ms Yeah, but you never know in advance.
@ismailsamsodien28509 ай бұрын
These 2 are experienced climbers and have lived to see a good age, because they respected the mountain and allowed the mountain to dictate the next move. I personally don't see the appeal of doing what climbers do. So I will nor be putting myself in any such risk. But to those who do such adventures be safe and listen to the mountain
@darksoul4793 ай бұрын
There's a fine line between a hero and a fool.
@somjasa9 ай бұрын
People's hubris has no limits...
@susannahfox71889 ай бұрын
hubris.....without a doubt
@davidbriseno77199 ай бұрын
I understand that some folks have a bucket list as they get older. We need to understand that when we do these activities, we not only put ourselves at risk but that puts others in your party at risk.
@meredithheath52725 ай бұрын
Comes down to Money - and quantity over quality.
@kgejalaxmikanthaswamy55519 ай бұрын
The mountain won the race.
@robertpresha95048 ай бұрын
I worked serch and rescue on the mountains..It does not matter how good you are once you get beyond 8000 feet you are dieing or dead.And if you push it too far and cross that line you will stay up there.Most of the best climbers in the world are dead. It is nature and bad calls.Now it is money getting people killed. If you have never climbed a mountain before in your life and jump on everest well your chance of staying alive is slim .And if you make it to the top and come back down you are a bad ass in my book and hats off to you.And they say the death zone is 26.000 feet.😅 It starts way before that .
@EverestMystery8 ай бұрын
Awesome to hear from a rescue professional...thank you for taking the time to watch and to share your insights!
@rocketrider14059 ай бұрын
The ‘without supplemental oxygen’ thing always strikes me as odd. If the Sherpa are genetically predisposed to function at high altitude then that gives them an at-birth advantage over most others. So why do non-Sherpa climbers think it’s a badge of honor to not use oxygen canisters when they actually probably should?
@cyndiborys50872 ай бұрын
Physics!! Truth!!!
@johnreilly86728 ай бұрын
Blows my mind they were on the same mountain going for the brass ring? RIP ladies.
@czarcastic14589 ай бұрын
No thanks, I prefer sea level, 72 degrees F and a barometric pressure of 29.92. The mountains sure attract some Darwin award winners. Great stuff thanks . Get ready to bust out your bird feeders.
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
Bird feeder season is upon us....haven't seen many bears this year, so the feeders should be safe Thanks for watching!
@carolbradley48459 ай бұрын
I have one word for this. Ego
@ExhaustedNik7 ай бұрын
as a nepali i would say not only completion with other climbers but also the record set one after another and everyone wants to be the person to set record they fail to take in safe concerns
@EverestMystery7 ай бұрын
So glad you took the time to watch and to share your thoughts. It's wonderful having you here! thank you
@Badgerlife9 ай бұрын
Climbing is not a sport when you walk over dying or dead people!
@EverestMystery9 ай бұрын
For sure....not sure if you have seen this video of Kristin Harila detailing her experience on K2 this year: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naqspo14d6d0fM0 Thanks for watching this video!
@Za7a7aZ9 ай бұрын
The sherpas very experienced...their clients very experienced and all making a simple and lethal mistake...its not a game climbing these tops
@kimwiser44522 күн бұрын
I can understand wanting to climb but I cannot understand ignoring the rules or warning signs. Life is to precious to take that many risks.
@AkarshGoel327 ай бұрын
18:45 she is talking about NIMS PURJA
@EverestMystery7 ай бұрын
Essentially, yes....
@DavetheTrader4205 ай бұрын
Nimsdai and team had brought Anna and mingmar down to camp 2, he’s returning April 2024 to retrieve the bodies and bring them home!
@sterlingmatsui1542 ай бұрын
Reckless ambition led to foolish and selfish decisions~May the Sherpas RIP☆♡☆!!
@Chief-Solarize9 ай бұрын
This is tragic but I must mention it reminds me of the kid on the Tinan sub. He wanted to solve a Rubix cube 4000m under the ocean for a world record. Instead of going to Titanic for the experience he also wanted to be famous for something so he took the cube. Don't let vanity control your actions people.
@mattk88109 ай бұрын
The kid was pressured to go by his dad and made something of it. Do you research before talking nonsense
@orfamayQ9 ай бұрын
@@mattk8810 That's right, we do not know what really happened, his mother gives a very different account than his aunt, the rubik's cube thing is really stupid and vain, but I think that he wasn't that serious about it and it seems it was more about father's day and making his dad happy. We will never know, so we shouldn't judge. One thing is for sure, his mother makes him look like a rich spoiled sucker by telling the rubik's cube detail with so much pride, as if he achieved something (that said, solving a rubik's cube is impressive enough for me, I wish he could have lived to do that on sea level for many decades to come, poor lad).
@Chief-Solarize8 ай бұрын
@@mattk8810 I know light-years more than you about that sub and Rubix cubes ..... and I'm allowed to voice opinions online. Now if you want to report me to KZbin for voicing an opinion based on facts go right ahead snowflake.
@em84cАй бұрын
@@orfamayQshe was supposed to go on the Titan and when she changed her mind the son took her place. She probably wants to believe he really wanted to go so she doesn't feel guilty
@orfamayQАй бұрын
@@em84c That could very well be what's behind that behavior, yes!
@h.nguyen41939 ай бұрын
Climbing has been a money industry for the last 2 decades. The only way to save climbing now is to either close everything done or do the opposite and open everything up and not care who lives and dies. Just like car accidents.
@DrRockso05 ай бұрын
Summit fever seems to be getting ahold of even the more elite expedition company’s. Summit fever is a real thing, but there always has to be the expedition leader making the big decisions.
@jacquigonzalez54477 ай бұрын
Seriously? Shouldn’t be expected to stand up to a cruel and demanding employer. They are in a position of power, and as an employee, I am at their mercy. The porters are victims.
@peckerwood7804 ай бұрын
No matter how talented or prepared you are, no one can dodge an avalanche. I get it tho it'd be like not driving because you may see a wreck.
@veroniquepare93949 ай бұрын
Quand vous payez des milliers de dollars pour une expédition qui a pour but de vous faire atteindre un sommet, faire demi-tour - même pour des raisons de sécurité - sans y être arrivé peut créer des conflits intérieurs chez plusieurs. On peut devenir facilement aveuglé. Ajoutez la compétition malsaine à cela et tous les ingrédients sont réunis pour une catastrophe. 🤷🏻♀️
@trinity69939 ай бұрын
Omg!!
@rudimatt34322 ай бұрын
Hobbies for the elites.
@stonehengeconstructioncc1705Ай бұрын
Let's just face it, the only mistake that the Sherpas made here was to go along with the insanity of the two women. Often we feel discriminated against when certain truths are pointed out; for instance that women are mostly ruled by emotions and feelings, making them unsuitable to lead certain projects or activities, ever heard of a similar incident involving male climbers? And what part of success is attributable to you if you have to be short roped to the summit of a mountain like some injured donkey?🙄
@srstrand019 ай бұрын
I think you described two "Murder/Suicides." Basically, the Sherpas were sacrificed(murdered) and the two women committed suicide!!! All for the sake of competition between two women!!
@mattk88109 ай бұрын
Everyone can talk after an accident. Notice they werent the only ones up there? Notice the Sherpas led them the way they went?
@N0N4M309 ай бұрын
@@mattk8810because those sherpas have no other choice !?
@annalau25969 ай бұрын
@@N0N4M30I don't agree in this case. These sherpas were not some unknown and unexperienced porters, they were well known mountaineers that were very respected in the community and as mentioned in the video one of them went for his own record. The rich western and poor exploited sherpa narrative is too simple here. In general, I agree there is a lot wrong and exploitative but there are huge disparaties in pay and opportunities betweens sherpas and a lot of the big players in the industry are Nepalese companies.
@Chief-Solarize8 ай бұрын
@@mattk8810 you get dumber the longer you're online.... take a break
@angelmartin73105 ай бұрын
@@N0N4M30are Sherpas slaves? I thought they were guides. What makes you say they have no choice to turn around? I thought that was their responsibility when leading novices up these mountains. Sherpas can't make the client leave but the client will leave if the sherpa does 9/10 times.