The Most Controversial Naruto Characters

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Catchdog

Catchdog

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@catchdog
@catchdog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching friends! Satori and I go deep in the original recording. However, it was over an hour long so I just had to cut a lot out. Would you guys like to see the full video unedited and uncut????
@ketto2034
@ketto2034 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Danzo fully understood his own actions like with Shisui it’s stated he didn’t trust Shisui and would “defend the village his way” not to mention as Shisui and Itachi admitted Danzo was right in the fact a new head of the rebellion would form also Danzo specifically during itachi graduation sounded straight to me like he despised the uchiha from the jump as soon with him plotting their downfall
@ketto2034
@ketto2034 Жыл бұрын
Also some good relation for Konoha can be the child soilders in WW2 they are pulled in some cases in other asked to join a cause for “nation” or they’re home would be destroyed
@ketto2034
@ketto2034 Жыл бұрын
Just saying Old Man Hiruzen still fought Orochimaru for a HOUR straight before edos were summoned without Emma(might be remembering this slightly wrong the order) but overall point is they fought for a while there
@deelaw.
@deelaw. Жыл бұрын
Danzo was written to be the bad guy. He's a good antagonist for the story, he's like Geoffrey everyone hates him but the character was actually good.
@ausiidnd
@ausiidnd Жыл бұрын
I would've liked him more if he wasn't such an obvious afterthought... Danzo, in the context of his introduction in Shippuden and absence from the grounded politics of Part 1, is just a martyr that was created to bear the sins that would've otherwise been laid on characters we already knew and liked (especially Itachi but also Hiruzen and indirectly Sasuke)
@Abjectbutterfly
@Abjectbutterfly Жыл бұрын
What people forget to mention is that the reason The Uichica wanted to revolt was because of actions taken by Danzo and his fellow elders so he basically created his own dilemma and solved it in a very shitty way
@aut0mat1c11
@aut0mat1c11 Жыл бұрын
Uchiha* but you are absolutely correct. It's like starting a forest fire then you blame the fire and start putting more fuel to the fire by cussing at it for burning the forest down.
@СергейКочан-ь3т
@СергейКочан-ь3т Жыл бұрын
No actually?He could not allow them to help fight the Ninetails, since it was obvious that Ninetails was controlled by an Uchiha and he had no guarantees that this Uchiha was not in collusion with the clan or one of them, also that Uchiha could dissappear(dissolve) among them or someone from The Uchiha (Fugaku) ​​could take control of the Nine-tails and continue attack the village.
@СергейКочан-ь3т
@СергейКочан-ь3т Жыл бұрын
He also took Shisui's eye for fear that he would join the clan's side, besides, his Kotoamatsukami is ideal for both coup and control of the nine-tails. Moreover, in a sense, this particular action helped in the future, because he destroyed his Mangekyou and Obito couldn't get it. If Obito had Shisui's eye, the 4th Shinobi World War would be over very quickly and sadly
@СергейКочан-ь3т
@СергейКочан-ь3т Жыл бұрын
I dont want to say that Danzo is a positive character or a hero,but he is more complex than people try to portray him.There is no Black and White in Naruto.
@isrealgolden1913
@isrealgolden1913 Жыл бұрын
Facts, danzo the hero the village needs,needed, but not the hero it deserves.
@indrainspace2601
@indrainspace2601 Жыл бұрын
KAKAZU'S RAW DURABILITY
@BitchChill
@BitchChill Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily
@blueprinceyt4620
@blueprinceyt4620 Жыл бұрын
Sasuke was literally the most human character there, he didn’t have a reason to like the village so I don’t see why he would go with itachi’s wishes when he’s spent his whole life hating itachi
@aut0mat1c11
@aut0mat1c11 Жыл бұрын
I don't know why fans say that Sasuke is selfish for not fulfilling Itachi's dying wish when Itachi never made such a request to begin with. Hell, Itachi wanted to use the Kotoamatsukami on Sasuke to be a loyal Leaf shinobi in case he would die by Sasuke's hands. That was the reason why Edo Itachi was wondering where Sasuke was and why he didn't go back to Konoha. He probably thought why Kotoamatsukami didn't work.
@justinarzola4584
@justinarzola4584 Жыл бұрын
​​​​​​@@aut0mat1c11 and sasuke eventually did become a hero the village for participating in the war and sealing kaguya and breaking cycle of hatred of indra and ashura with naruto so itachis wish was granted.
@sir_paniccakettv1263
@sir_paniccakettv1263 Жыл бұрын
To counter this Sasuke was dickish to naruto a lot and he also wanted to kill naruto every time they met. He's also better dad to baruto then his own daughter. But I get people's points
@SatorisYT
@SatorisYT Жыл бұрын
One more thing I thought of after the recording is that Obito's love for Rin may have actually been a coping mechanism for him. Something to cling to and hope for, since everything else in his life was going so poorly. This is a bit headcanon, but I think it's interesting to think about. Think the video turned out great! Thanks for having me on (:
@FriendlyDarkwraith
@FriendlyDarkwraith Жыл бұрын
It also doesn't help that Rin literally confesses to Kakashi over his still warm presumed corpse.
@SatorisYT
@SatorisYT Жыл бұрын
@@FriendlyDarkwraith True
@Gentledegenerate
@Gentledegenerate Жыл бұрын
26:50 Kimimaro is from the Kaguya clan, they look very similar in design and have a similar bone technique, although Kaguyas is on a whole different level
@bigcarnotaurus8857
@bigcarnotaurus8857 Жыл бұрын
so what if we then see haku’s parents actually be otsutsuki’s… does that then mean it was forshadowed?
@FriendlyDarkwraith
@FriendlyDarkwraith Жыл бұрын
Itachi was a giant dumbass in OG Naruto. He basically giftwrapped his little brother to the local snake necromancer and alleged pedophile, and if not for Naruto (who he wanted Sasuke to kill), he'd be wearing his skin like a fancy new suit. Even with a freshly awakened Mangekyo and Orochimaru losing his arms, there's no way he would have been able to turn the tables on him like he does in Shippuden (and even then that was partially planned for by Orochimaru). Also, it's nice not to see Boruto slander on a Naruto-centric channel for once. The story is probably the most interesting it's been since Isshiki died, and I still don't think anyone could tell this story better than Kishimoto himself, even if he's decided to go in a somewhat bizarre direction.
@mgreysanders
@mgreysanders Жыл бұрын
I think the reason Itachi's plan makes little sense is because he was almost obviously retconned from being just a menace, to being a caring brother because he was so popular. Kishimoto probably wanted to add a twist to him. People want Itachi to be some like 200 iq dude, but he has no idea how things will play out in reality, like the crow, or putting his brother in a coma, he doesn't fully know he could've gotten out of in a hasty recovery. That clearly doesn't sound like he's in control if Sasuke goes to Orochumaru, the very thing he doesn't want to happen
@СергейКочан-ь3т
@СергейКочан-ь3т Жыл бұрын
I agree with u so much about Boruto.Its actually great and i even think the hate is temporary,several years in future people would think about Boruto at least neutral,i think.
@SatorisYT
@SatorisYT Жыл бұрын
Been hyped for this one coming out! Interested to see how it turned out
@AwkwardBunny0522
@AwkwardBunny0522 Жыл бұрын
The whole Neji "destiny" thing in part 1 would have made more sense if Kishimoto had his way originally with the story.
@TenseiPatuYGO
@TenseiPatuYGO Жыл бұрын
I will maintain that Boruto as a series still continues on what it means to be a shinobi as the world around you changes, with the scientific ninja tools and Kawaki creating conflict around the concept of Shinobi.
@acleus
@acleus Жыл бұрын
I mean, in regards to Danzo and the discussion about how the characters in Naruto are crazy indoctrinated to think anything is justified when done for the village, they are definitely not all good. Even on the surface level and ignoring the root of konoha, they have a torture corps and pretty openly respect the leader of that corps.
@trapmatrix5942
@trapmatrix5942 Жыл бұрын
I’d just like to point out that Minato was thinking about a potential future Madara Uchiha when he sealed the 9 tails in Naruto. It wasn’t just about saving the village.
@GoldenDragonMonkey
@GoldenDragonMonkey Жыл бұрын
People ignored the fact that Naruto and Ashura had to work their whole life to even use Kurama and Hagoromo’s power. They couldn’t wake up over powered like Indra or Kakashi or Itachi
@hobbyhorse5848
@hobbyhorse5848 Жыл бұрын
The five kage summit straight up assassinated Sakura’s entire character. It was one of the worst pieces of character writing in the manga imo.
@MFShro0m
@MFShro0m Жыл бұрын
This is the most based analysis video of these characters I’ve seen. Well done 👏🏻
@hobbyhorse5848
@hobbyhorse5848 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know if he actually is but I feel like Hiruzen is pretty controversial in some ways. We had this entire rose colored view of him from part 1 which presents him as a kindly old mentor figure protecting the village (there was still problems like wtf is he doing letting Naruto drink spoiled milk) but then in Shippuden we learn that he was pretty ineffective politically and enabled an entire genocide to happen under his watch which is, oh boy not great.
@richhornie7000
@richhornie7000 Жыл бұрын
He probably took Minato's estate to enrich himself 😂
@kevinxaislis
@kevinxaislis Жыл бұрын
Keep hearing tobirama is the best water style user ever but I can only recall him using water jutsu once. And that is only when Orochimaru attack the leave and fought the the 3 hokage.
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
He used it in the war to cut the tree and possibly created water needles in his mouth to pierce madara. 👍
@kevinxaislis
@kevinxaislis Жыл бұрын
Oh yeh huh thanks. But then again if we included those two times with it, in the whole series it would be 3 times only. Which is barely anything, compare to hashirama spamming different wood style techniques.
@hiddenmarco
@hiddenmarco Жыл бұрын
Kakuzu is a strange one bc he's not even controversial bc of the story he's controversial bc of ppl outside the show lol
@cupidsproblem3915
@cupidsproblem3915 Жыл бұрын
"The only good Uchiha is a dead Uchiha" Tobirama Senju
@robmarsh918
@robmarsh918 Жыл бұрын
I think you forgot that when a tailed beast is extracted from a person, they will inevitably die. It was stated that she took exceptionally longer to die because she was an Uzumaki and had a resilient life force. But she was going to die. So if they put it back in her, Kurama would have died with her.
@viktoriabiryukova7478
@viktoriabiryukova7478 Жыл бұрын
Naruto didn’t die after Kurama had been extracted from him and resealed during the war arc
@robmarsh918
@robmarsh918 Жыл бұрын
@@viktoriabiryukova7478 Oh yeah. You’re right. Putting the tailed beast back would prevent death. I forgot.
@bigcarnotaurus8857
@bigcarnotaurus8857 Жыл бұрын
so obito was risking never completing the red moon plan?
@mgreysanders
@mgreysanders Жыл бұрын
Saying Ashura is an L magnet is just cap. Your only examples are kid naruto when we learn Kurama is just blocking his Chakra and the only other incarnate is Hashirama, the strongest non-6 paths character the second we're told about him and he's shown
@Tobi_10k
@Tobi_10k Жыл бұрын
Right that was CAP
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou Жыл бұрын
Danzo is kage level, people who say otherwise are blinded by their hatred for him. All of his feats are good, his narrative implications, lore, and statements are even better. He’s easily up their and high Akatsuki level on a conservative level.
@bigcarnotaurus8857
@bigcarnotaurus8857 Жыл бұрын
same people would put sasori and deidara in kage level while danzo would clap them in a 1v1
@JinxeBlaq
@JinxeBlaq Жыл бұрын
14:22 On the Kushina thing, she said she wanted him to seal the nine tails back into her so she could drag it to the grave, she had a giant hole in her stomach, she would’ve just died with the nine tails. And then the nine tails would reincarnate and it would be free ball for whoever got to it first, which would’ve destabilized the nations. He sealed it into Naruto to prevent that.
@BattleMaidAstarte
@BattleMaidAstarte Жыл бұрын
the will of fire is basically just American nationalism
@robertlee9602
@robertlee9602 Жыл бұрын
Everyone secretly loves Danzo.
@Prince_Luci
@Prince_Luci Жыл бұрын
Of the five in the thumbnail i believe there are legitimate complaints one could have for Kaguya, Boruto, Sasuké, and even Neji. But dislike for Tobirama is a misunderstanding of the character. All the “uchiha hate” stuff is Danzo. Danzo perverted everything Tobirama stood for and worked to achieve for the unity of the village. The only Uchiha Tobirama ever hated was Madara. And for good fucking reason.
@superanimegod1234
@superanimegod1234 Жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion but I LIKE DANZO TOO!
@rasen-shinobi8125
@rasen-shinobi8125 Жыл бұрын
your opinion is unpopular for a reason
@superanimegod1234
@superanimegod1234 Жыл бұрын
Danzo loved the leaf just like how Obito loved Rin
@aut0mat1c11
@aut0mat1c11 Жыл бұрын
Danzo is my favorite Villain, Madara and Obito are just cartoony and too philosophical. Madara and Obito wanted to rule the world through Self Indulgence by Denying Reality, meanwhile, Danzo causes problems but its for the short term benefit of the Village, what happened to Sasuke is the byproduct of all the problems he caused, its only poetic justice that he became his executioner.
@russianbot5302
@russianbot5302 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, everything he did was for the village. He's the only realist in the village and gets hate for it.
@aut0mat1c11
@aut0mat1c11 Жыл бұрын
@@russianbot5302 that..what he did...Danzo started a war in another country....that ain't being a realist, that's just making unnecessary enemies.
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
Minato is definitely the most liked character. Not hated ❤
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
No he is hated a lot because hes so loved
@LegendaryCaptain
@LegendaryCaptain Жыл бұрын
Kakashi, Gaara, and Shikamaru are very consistently loved too
@bigcarnotaurus8857
@bigcarnotaurus8857 Жыл бұрын
mostly because he sealed kurama inside naruto and made him a junchuriki, although its hard to make an analogy its like if he changed narutos gender without consent 😂
@boshman11
@boshman11 Жыл бұрын
Can‘t be convinced on Sasuke and Itachi, but this was a great vid
@talesthesalesman3106
@talesthesalesman3106 Жыл бұрын
People started saying they like danzo out of the blue just for the sake of being edgy 👎
@ZERARCHIVE2023
@ZERARCHIVE2023 Жыл бұрын
Danzô was fine, and introduced in the first part, was seen as the evil counterpart to Sarutobi the 3rd. I mean, c'mon
@bigcarnotaurus8857
@bigcarnotaurus8857 Жыл бұрын
there are normal people that can still see him as a good proper villain and like him for that
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
Hot take, but i like how zetsu just knows everything, i dont really like zetsu so much as a character, but i like that you can almost see how different the same story from his point of view, i love that, and as for zetsu if you lob him in as a part of kaguya, then it does not look that terrible as otsutsuki should be not only more powerful than shinobi, but for the most part more intelligent as well.
@azureascendant994
@azureascendant994 Жыл бұрын
The character I dislike the most is Madara and I hate that the manga tries to make you empathize with him. He's a self-righteous bastard with a god complex and a terrible plan. Ppl try to blame Tobirama for starting the Uchihas downfall but the responsiblity fall in Madara's actions. Madara saw the Uchiha clan as traitors to himself and everyone seems to forget this fact. When Madara threatened the lifes of ppl, children and his own clan with Kurama that's when the Uchiha started to decline. Tobirama used the Uchiha police force policy to help the Uchiha clan. Madara pretty much wanted to destroy the Uchiha clan for betraying their god. For Danzo it would make more sense if he propagandized an Uchiha uprising to get rid of the police force so his take over can be easier to complete. This time the Uchiha were under government watch 24 hours of the day, an uprising would fail from the start.
@BetrayedTangerine
@BetrayedTangerine Жыл бұрын
Honestly I like Zetsu. After the whole Hashirama cells 'reveal' with White Zetsu, I found it interesting that we never learned much about Black Zetsu. Then Madara and Obito got introduced and pretty much distracted the audience from the true threat. I absolutely get why it frustrated a lot of people, but I thought it worked pretty well!
@TheAlex010
@TheAlex010 Жыл бұрын
Hiruzen is super controversial, some people think he's the strongest kage, god of shinobi, others think he's weaker than the sannin. There's also him as a hokage, some peole think that he was a great hokage that led the village to victory across multiple wars, others think he is bad for his treatment of naruto, and giving danzo too much power.
@r.a.panimefan2109
@r.a.panimefan2109 Жыл бұрын
Ur taking the neji was right argument totally out of context. It's got nothing really to do with power. The neji argument is about the fact that there wasn't supposed to be destiny. Like at all. It's not about Naruto being powerful It's about the mere fact he had a destiny. Now Naruto being ninja Jesus. Is a different argument. These two generally get conflated.
@SatorisYT
@SatorisYT Жыл бұрын
We originally had a much longer segment for Neji, but I guess it was cut for time reasons. Naruto being an Asura reincarnation only means he has to work hard, rely on others and fight his best friend to the death. That's who Asura was. He was a dunce, had to train and work hard to keep up with his brother, gain power from others and kill his brother in the end. Being a reincarnation of this guy means you're gonna take Ls a lot and it doesn't mean you're going to become Jesus inherently. You can still die at any point in your life and none of the other Asura/Indra reincarnates where even famous, known Shinobi aside from the two cases we see in the show. About destiny, Naruto's two main themes are overcoming hatred and overcoming destiny. He has to overcome Sasuke's hatred and by doing so, break the cycle of vengeance which Pain talked about and break the cycle of Indra and Asura by doing so. There's more to say, but I don't really want to write too much 😅
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
@@SatorisYT what you wrote is enough, i understand what your saying, basically being an ashura reincarnate only means you fight indra reincarnate to the death , and it does not even mean you get any powers from hagoromo. Naruto had many destiny in the show he was supposed to succomb to, he was supposed to remain villified by his village, go rogue and get killed by S class criminals hunting him down from day one for a bijuu he never ask to have, being a shinobi he should just mindlessly follow the "will of fire" just protect the village at the cost of his life without even questioning it, and being a reincarnation means he has to fight his best friend, kill him and continue the cycle of hatred, naruto fought hard to break all these chains over his life to become his own shinobi.
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
14:02 i doubt he could have saved kushina even if he put ninetails back into her, the plan in kushina eyes was she was gonna pull kurama in her and die with it, idk
@jeffreygorden9603
@jeffreygorden9603 Жыл бұрын
I actually got recommended this
@sinoxi2493
@sinoxi2493 Жыл бұрын
I really dont get the tobirama hate either, i think ppl hate him just coz hes popular and try to say he hates uchiha for easy hate ammo
@aut0mat1c11
@aut0mat1c11 Жыл бұрын
Well, the guy literally called them evil for no reason, the Uchiha's who have turned their backs on Madara because they assumed that Madara was a warmonger and sides with the SENJU'S, therefore, supporting Hashirama to be the Hokage, yet Tobiram had the audacity to call THEM evil? How's that possible? But yeah, the hate is unfounded, he is a dumbass, but also a badass.
@vvebsta6237
@vvebsta6237 Жыл бұрын
​@@aut0mat1c11 for no reason? They literally planned rebellion when Fugaku was alive. Madara and Izuna were also retarded. Tobirama was right about this clan in general. He knew that there are some real guys among Uchiha like Itachi, Shisui, Kagami and Sasuke. And he treated them well
@aut0mat1c11
@aut0mat1c11 Жыл бұрын
@@vvebsta6237 "Planning a rebellion." It's called "Coup d'etat," and it means, overthrowing CORRUPT government officials, which means, the Uchiha's are good guys and victims. Now I wonder why would they plan a Coup d'etat? Maybe because they've been stripped of their rights and freedoms by being moved to the outskirts of the Village-that's a WarCrime by the way, it's called Population Movement-and being spied on by the ANBU because they've been falsely accused of summoning the NineTails? They have every reason to launch a Coup d'etat. Besides, the Uchiha clan only planned to genjutsu the Elders so they can retire, step down from their position. That's a bloodless Coup, that won't start a civil war that would spark a world war like Danzo and Itachi makes it out to be. "When Fugaku was alive," well he has a responsibility as a leader to give his people a bright future, so that the children of his clan won't grow up being dehumanized for their eyes. What else could he do? Mind controlling corrupt leaders to step down and retire from their position is the most moral outcome, genocide, killing the Oppressed Minority to preserve the Oppressor Majority is the greatest evil anyone could ever do and it's utterly ridiculous how people like you don't see it that way. "Madara and Izuna are retarded," Waring States Era Madara? He's only doing his job as clan head of the Uchiha by defend his clan through fighting off their Senju enemies, as does the Senju's, same with Izuna. WarArcMadara is retarded, I ain't defending a guy who plans to rule the world through Self Indulgence by Denying Reality. "Tobirama is right about the clan in general," I am at a lost for words to the utter ignorance of this comment. Tobirama knows that the Uchiha's love very deeply and instead of exploiting that, he makes their lives more difficult, thereby making them NOT love the Village deeply. "He knew that there are some real guys among Uchiha like Itachi, Shisui, Kagami, and Sasuke. He treated them well." Didn't you just say, "Tobirama is right about the Uchiha's in general," implying that they are evil as a whole, yet you backtrack saying that there are some among them that are good. Which one is it then? Are the Uchiha's evil in general or are they good? Itachi and Shisui are radical zealots, Tobirama GROOMED Kagami, and Sasuke is a literal victim of their Senju propaganda.
@RheemQ
@RheemQ Жыл бұрын
@@aut0mat1c11 Exactly. People always forget that context. He manipulated the Uchiha to think Madara was a warmonger who didn't care about them and people have the nerve to say he's a good guy?
@nanofate8662
@nanofate8662 Жыл бұрын
Let's be fair, 25:34 to 38:57 are the real controversial characters, the rest are just YMMV and that's okay tbh.
@absolutefictionreborn6253
@absolutefictionreborn6253 Жыл бұрын
Madara did overcome the power difference with hashirama, with his rinnegan.
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
Totally agreed, that is why madara said if tobirama and hashirama were in their real bodies he wouldn't have been as successful.
@RheemQ
@RheemQ Жыл бұрын
@@kelvinallen9327 That's debatable but I still don't think they would've beaten him because the only reason he didn't use the rinnegan abilities in his fight against hashirama was because he was edo tensei. I love how people never mention he only used sharingan abilities in their fight downplaying madara power at that point.
@nah9281
@nah9281 Жыл бұрын
You guys went from deeply understanding naruto characters to the most Normie boruto take. It goes to show that hating on boruto is popular.
@redajun2593
@redajun2593 Жыл бұрын
No Boruto is bad
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
What normie take? Satori gave him credit for his growth.
@ZERARCHIVE2023
@ZERARCHIVE2023 Жыл бұрын
Boruto is bad only because it isn't just about shinobi anymore. Naruto became hokage off-screen. Kaguya ruined the final fight...
@krsnavigliotti4611
@krsnavigliotti4611 Жыл бұрын
The kakazu part made me giggle
@wem_iii
@wem_iii Жыл бұрын
How many years in prison is Mizuki gonna be in there for?
@odio88
@odio88 Жыл бұрын
Honestly if they were to redo the naruto and boruto anime without fillers it would be 1000% better
@unrusoanonimo7818
@unrusoanonimo7818 Жыл бұрын
Black zetsu should be introduce very earlyer, in the first Naruto vs Sasuke should be spying them to make shure his plan comes true, insteaf of coming from nowhere the plot twist
@orochimarupr
@orochimarupr Жыл бұрын
Hiruzen literally had the best 2 prodigies in the leaf village shisui and Itachi. If shisui didn't respect the leaf he would of clapped danzo
@mgreysanders
@mgreysanders Жыл бұрын
Nah, bro. In every iteration, Danzo just poisons and bullies him. Shisui is a good Jonin at best, but he's honestly nothing more than a plot device. He's not as powerful as Itachi, as much as people want him to be
@orochimarupr
@orochimarupr Жыл бұрын
@@mgreysanders Itachi surpass him because shisui wasn't around. Shisui is literally a better version of itachi and also has the 2nd strongest mangaekyo. itachi couldn't even avenge his boy and became danzos puppet. Danzo need it to poisoned shisui and ambush him because he knew he couldn't take him in a 1v1 everyone knows that. Even during the war itachi need it shisuis eye to get out edo tensei lmao Shisui vs Itachi match up is like minato vs Tobirama and Orochimaru vs Kabuto. One of them is always better than the other. midtachi can never be greater
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
As for the backstab, it should not even work how the hell is madara getting stab from behind after getting a god tree buff and a second rinnegan when before that he was taking sekizos from might guy who needed night guy blow off part of madaras body? Is a stab from zetsu= night guy😂? Obviously not, maybe madara trusted zetsu because he thought he was his actual will/ shadow, and zetsu actually having kaguyas genes plus madara being so close to kaguya in how her powers set up, made him kaguya out i guess, but even thats like no sir.
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
12:56 no i dont think tobirama is weak or anything like that hes far from, i just think hes not 10 tails juubito level, and i think when it comes to minato kcm is not as big as a speed amp as it was for naruto, and the fact that he was nerf and only had one arm, meaning tobirama is not as relative, and hes not really relative to hashirama as people seem to think, like in the flashbacks anytime tobirama saw the perfect susanoo and wood golem, hes just forced to sit it out, and despite him supposing to be faster he never is in one of those big madara vs hashirama fights, its because he does not really scale, whereas with minato he was teleporting nibetails attacks and was reacting to it point blank, ninetails being relative to a susanoo with half of its chakra minato reacting to the full thing saving kushina, its also implied like gaining a massive bijuu amp gets rid of the marking of the ftg seal, so the opposite might be true as well and losing a massive amount of bijuu chakra can make the mark leave as well, meaning minato had to run from across the village at that same instance get in, grab kushina, pick her up and jump before the ninetails can make one attack, he was way across the village too, tobirama has great reaction times but even he would struggle to without ftg do sumn like that.
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
I understand, i do, i agree with some of what your saying , obviously madara and hashirama are strongest because of being reincarnations. Also, remember in anime, tobirama said the fourth and i can each teleport one tailed beast bomb that, obito had created 4 and trapped them all in a barrier, Minato and tobirama are not stronger than hashirama or madara but are very useful. Tobirama seems to be much stronger than Minato, he was shown moving on par with hashirama , madara's rival several time and even madara said alive real tobirama and hashirama would have beaten sage mode , one eyed rinnegan madara, its in the manga. Tobirama can teleport tailed beast bombs too. 👍👍👏👌👊
@fentherolar_f
@fentherolar_f Жыл бұрын
nine tails is not relative to the perfect susano
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
@@fentherolar_f madara said his susano rivals the tailed beast, not stronger. Kurama is the strongest tailed beast. 👍
@fentherolar_f
@fentherolar_f Жыл бұрын
@@kelvinallen9327 I was talking about 50% kurama, the one that was being ragdolled by sage mode naruto
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
@@fentherolar_f not forgetting, kushina was there helping naruto out as she did for Minato too. 👍
@michaelstephenson-barreda1018
@michaelstephenson-barreda1018 Жыл бұрын
Neji was my favorite character at the very beginning....then Shippuden said nahh
@rowdyrebel718
@rowdyrebel718 Жыл бұрын
danzo was jus the reincarnation of tobirama
@chrisfair11
@chrisfair11 Жыл бұрын
How many times can you say "indoctrinated"? It's like you're indoctrinated to not knowing any better.
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
5:10 exactly come on people be real to yourself you really gonna go back there? Im not going back anywhere that persecute and destroy my clan and force my brother in to becoming a criminal, not so.
@JinxeBlaq
@JinxeBlaq Жыл бұрын
32:37 I understand what your goin for, but it sounds like you enjoy the IDEA of a character like Sakura. But not Sakura herself..
@TheEternalFlame57
@TheEternalFlame57 Жыл бұрын
Oh this will be fun
@Neku628
@Neku628 Жыл бұрын
14:18 Yeah, but there wouldn't be no show about an orphan with a monster inside him becoming the village leader then, right? If Minato had resealed Kurama back into Kushina and not sacrificed himself and Kushina like they did.
@JinxeBlaq
@JinxeBlaq Жыл бұрын
She would’ve still died, she was hurt and weak, she even said herself she wanted to drag the nine tails to the grave with her. She had a hole in her stomach for crying out loud.
@sirnoobilus5219
@sirnoobilus5219 Жыл бұрын
Who's the character you hate the most?
@catchdog
@catchdog Жыл бұрын
Code
@marcmcool6059
@marcmcool6059 Жыл бұрын
@@catchdog do think you’ll do any other anime or manga like record of Ragnarok chainsaw man or Akame ga kill ?
@azureascendant994
@azureascendant994 Жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion here... I hate Madara Uchiha the most.
@FriendlyDarkwraith
@FriendlyDarkwraith Жыл бұрын
@@catchdog What if he turns around and BTFOs the entire Leaf? I feel like people are underestimating him at their own peril. Kishimoto made him an L magnet for a reason.
@catchdog
@catchdog Жыл бұрын
@@marcmcool6059 I really like dragonball. But I wanna start Bleach. JJK is really really cool
@ancientgearsynchro
@ancientgearsynchro Жыл бұрын
I like Danzig primarily because of how much I hate him. The only thing I’d dislike is how his final L was a Sasake W, cause I genuinely dislike Sasake.
@jameshollister8294
@jameshollister8294 Жыл бұрын
Naruto struggled for no reason except he was 9 tails
@ZERARCHIVE2023
@ZERARCHIVE2023 Жыл бұрын
Kaguya. Ruined the whole manga for me
@sasukesfan
@sasukesfan Жыл бұрын
The only take I disagree with is the Tobirama point, you can debate if the character is “racist” or not but what he was doing to the Uchiha would make the US blush. He set up the Konoha system in place for the oppression of the Uchiha, from placing the clan next to the prisons, making the Uchiha police force, making the clan on the outskirts of the village, etc. It doesn’t matter what his intentions were because the outcome of the situation just created the situation that put Sasuke in where he was in the story. We can say he “grew up in a time where his family members were killed by the Uchiha” but it was the warring states period, we don’t harp of Madara because of how he reacted so why make excuses for him, he has probably also killed many family members, sisters and brothers in his time. Being wary is one thing but systematic oppression is another. Don’t let cool flashy feats or the title “Hokage” fool you, the systems put in place by Tobirama just festered the cycle of hatred further.
@mastermace7770
@mastermace7770 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you.
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
15:59 i agree they do have rediculously low lows like minato should not have been so relative to obito at 14 which adult obito should be above if even in battle experience and skill, and tobirama should have not died in the way he did i dont agree with those.
@sazude2
@sazude2 Жыл бұрын
Are you left wing or right wing?
@OP._.
@OP._. Жыл бұрын
*2:00** yeah guys,* this isnt _Boruto._
@TruSquid7
@TruSquid7 Жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion itachi the most overrated character in the naruto verse
@NBA38YoungBoySasukeNLEChoppa
@NBA38YoungBoySasukeNLEChoppa Жыл бұрын
Naruto has so many broken characters except danzo
@lnvoke8544
@lnvoke8544 Жыл бұрын
It’s kishimoto’s fault for hyping minato
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
Dude i was watching that stream you guys did last night, and i reach around the 3 hour mark, when i heard something great and dangerous, tobirama destroys base minato, im telling you now if i was on that live chat last night i would have tore satori a new one for that take( love satori btw) his argument is basic like normal casual tobirama wank too i want to get on it.
@catchdog
@catchdog Жыл бұрын
In a few weeks I'll release the recording Satori and I did on Tobirama vs Minato, so look forward to that Momo
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 Жыл бұрын
Naruto is NOT an underdog, ans for the purposes of this story, Neji WAS right, and here's why.... 1. Narutos birth: he was born to a Shinobi of unmatched talent in Minato and an uzumaki jonin. Even without ever knowing them, they still bequeathed him a lot in terms of Chakra levels to rival the tailed beasts. Narutos entire universe uses Chakra and more Chakra has ALWAYS equated to more power, whether it be physical or ninjutsu or genjutsu. More Chakra is always better for battle meaning thar Naruto being BORN with enough Chakra to make 1000 shadow clones is PRIVILEGE. As well as him being given the strongest tailed beast. And even though kurama hated him for a while, most tailed beasts hate most humans. In fact only a few others have been able to become perfect jinchuuriki, so yea being stuck wit a beast that hates u is bad, but at least he was stuck wit the strongest one, capable of taking 5 others BY HIMSELF. as well as the fact thar Minato being his father means he was in closer proximity to be trained by strong ninja more than anybody else. He basically AUTOMATICALLY got access to Kakashi and jiraiya, both of whom are TOP TIER in konoha. And we've seen time and time again that a strong teacher in Naruto can create strong students. He would've never been able to master 9tails or learn rasengan without either of them, and they are basically family, so he was BORN with the ability to eventually learn from them. Jiraiya is LITERALLY his godfather. Yea he wasn't there in the beginning but it's not like he would've ignored Naruto forever. He was literally protecting him from the akastuki. 2. Heritage: NOT ONLY is Naruto the son of 2 TOP TIER konoha shinobi, one being an uzumaki, but his father was taught by the same person who was taught by the previous hokage. Who was taught by the hokage before him. In fact, out of all 7 hokage, 5 of them are related by blood and All 7 have some connection of either family or sensei/student. And we a know the hokage is the strongest in the village, so CLEARLY there's some advantages to being born into certain clans and having certain teachers. And to top it off, 5 out of 7 hokage are also related to the literal God of the earth. Naruto is the REINCARNATION OF A CHILD OF A GOD❗️even if ashura gave him no power, there's a clear narrative that even though indra starts out stronger, ashura ends of always growing in strength and in the end he always wins, so Naruto was honestly destined to beat Sasuke, he wasn't destined to become best friends, but he was destined to BEAT him, just as the other reincarnations of ashura had beaten indra before. Also the sage literally bequeathed all of his power to ashura and THEN ashura reincarnated, meaning his reincarnations were implied to always gain power. Narutos every power up, is a power up that either somebody in his family had had before, or one of his teachers, who are all extremely close to his family, has had before. Naruto IS NOT an underdog, may not have been destined to be THE top dog in the world, but he would've always been ONE of them ❗️
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
I think in part 1 naruto was an underdog he had to struggle to do a lot, and i think as far as the status quo in terms of perception from the village, naruto way way too underrated in part 1 like he literally was in the forest just fighting the #1 tails jinchuriki which is the sands ultimate weapon, so in naruto part 1 it was justified, as for part 2 yeah it makes sense right that naruto is kinda gifted with a lot, but naruto didnt casually unlock those abilities and just mastered them immediately , he worked hard to, worked hard for sage mode, rasenshuriken, rasengan, train with the toads, always training doing sumn to improve. Also all of his powerups has massive drawbacks like him using v2 kurama chakra shortened his life, mangled his organs reshape his bones and burn his flesh right off as well as stocking him with so much chakra he couldnt move due to the insane weight, hes going through hell just to mentain a simple 4tails transformation which again proves my point about that great drawback that naruto has to navigate. Now yes i would admit naruto has more than most, but theres no way im gonna accept people saying sakura and rocklee are better options for "main characters" than naruto, the series could only be about naruto as the show was never about hard work trumping natural talent, it was always about the cycle of hatred and breaking that cycle and no one deserve to hate everything and everyone more than naruto tbh he should have hated everyone, but he tried to gain recognition as something more to the village and shinobi and try to end the cycle of hatred, sakura and rocklee could not have ever related to any of the characters naruto could, so yeah maybe rocklee embodies hard work vs natural talent more than naruto( maybe not just giving the benefit of the doubt), but thats not the main them of the show and plus naruto had it worst than all of them.
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 Жыл бұрын
@@momotheone9700 I see when ur saying but regardless of how hard he worked, Naruto as a series has never been just about hardworking. It'd about CLANS and CHAKRA and power. In this universe YOU NEED a strong clan an strong Chakra to make it far. For example Sakura who had no special genetics was taught by tsunade, a senju most likely taught by other senju and high konoha Shinobi. As well as being taught by hiruzen. This proves that Naruto would've never been even CLOSE to how strong he became without his clans prowess nor his PROXIMITY to the most POWERFUL teachers. This proximity comes from his family. From the fact that his dad is the teacher and student of BOTH of his teachers. Naruto was DESTINED to be the greatest, and without being an uzumaki, with uzumaki Chakra, he would've never been strong enough to make all the clones that he did, all the rasengans he made, which means he'd never have been strong enough to ever take the 9tails Chakra meaning he'd never would've had kcm 1 or 2 unless the 9tails just suddenly started liking him. This means he probably wouldn't have won ANY of the fights he ever won. Maybe your right, and destiny isn't the theme of the show, but regardless Naruto STILL is NOT an underdog lol. He's the privileged orphan, and as OPPOSING as that sounds, he's literally this most privileged orphan in his whole show 🤣💯
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
@@ramonsanders651 an oximoron, 2 words with opposing meaning used to describe a complex or simple thing, a priviledged orphan, makes sense naruto as a series has always been about contradictions as well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, art is subjective, i see nothing wrong with naruto having a lot of potential from youth, but one thing i would say if naruto did not show his potential for jutsu, he would not have gotten any training from kakashi or jiraiya, they both tested him first, and he had to pass that with help from others, not because he was minato and kushina child, yes he had a lot of chakra, but he had to work to control and master that chakra, he had the ninetails but he had to learn to befriend and bond with the ninetails to use its power effectively without shortening his life, i think its kool naruto had his birth right, got it stripped away as a baby literally his first year of life, yet has to utilize his talent, work hard and retrieve what was taken from him the first day he drew breath.
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 Жыл бұрын
@@momotheone9700 i agree that its very subjective cuz i feel like he was lucky he had anything to get back that was taken or in a simpler sense, lucky to be a strong orphan, surrounded by ppl close to his family. Kabuto didn't get that. He lkterally got taken in by a mad scientist psycho, not even 2 more relevant niggas like Sasuke or nagato. Yea you could say Sasuke aquire sharingan but he literally had to CAUSE a mental disorder in order to activate it, and nagato never had to "befriend" the rinnegan , but it was never really his to begin with and Madara used him.There's a theme of "lucky orphans" in Naruto cuz how else are these literal babies gonna survive in a world based on war, militarism, lies, and tragedy, UNLESS they miraculously survive by some plot induced Amp or characteristic lol. All I'm saying is Naruto is the "luckiest" of them all and thus, he is not an underdog, a VERY hard worker, yes, but no underdog.
@Connor-wc6jr
@Connor-wc6jr Жыл бұрын
4:07 🤣
@CH1C4N0444
@CH1C4N0444 Жыл бұрын
Two Tails knocked off Blind Madara's arm. Two Tails Jinchuriki>Two Tails Biju Alive Two Tails Jinchuriki>Edo Two Tails Jinchuriki KCM1 Naruto~Edo Two Tails Jinchuriki Kakuzu>Alive Two Tails Jinchuriki Kakuzu>Alive Two Tails Jinchuriki>Edo Two Tails Jinchuriki>Two Tails Biju>Blind Madara's Arm 😏
@catchdog
@catchdog Жыл бұрын
Kakashi > Blind Madara
@CH1C4N0444
@CH1C4N0444 Жыл бұрын
@@catchdog W
@yesnp6313
@yesnp6313 Жыл бұрын
western 150yos are not the best readers. IM SHOCKED and i cant type 15yo WHAT EVEN HAS THE WORLD COME TO OR TOO?? AAAAAAAA
@Skyprison-nj8cr
@Skyprison-nj8cr Жыл бұрын
Hi
@johntrains1317
@johntrains1317 Жыл бұрын
I like Danzo
@saul_goodman3932
@saul_goodman3932 Жыл бұрын
Tobirama is the goat
@dcwavii
@dcwavii Жыл бұрын
defending the uchiha massacre like defending racism
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
I understand, but Scaling Tobirama is very easy, it only becomes difficult because some people dont want Tobirama to be placed above Minato, so the make up excuses and ignores Tobirama abilities and underrate him.
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
@@momotheone9700 mo mo , im kinda listening to westlife, ill get back to ur comment. 👍
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
Tobirama does not scale to juubito, does not scale to hashirama wood golems and things like that, he lost to kinkaku and ginkaku and while they are strong, they are not implied to be above hashirama tiers of power, and we know tobirama alive should be above edo. Minatos kcm was nerfed, he only had 1 arm and was dazed, the half kyuubi amp might not be as great a speed amp as it was for power, as minato was already kcm1 naruto level arguably kcm2 as he was dodging attacks from full ninetails, so minato in base~ nerf kcm minato~ tobirama. On top of this minato has better feats while alive like beating someone whose comparable to madara in terms of feats, beating Ay and killer bee as jonin and sealing the ninetails, whereas tobirama beat a weaken izuna near blindness and lost twice to the gold and silver bros regardless of their team. All in all minato is not only faster than tobirama but he can neg tobiramas abilities and out do him in the fight.
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
@@momotheone9700 mo mo. Mo mo mo mo 😄. Dont take me seriously, i know Minato is strong... we all know minato's stronger than ..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................minato. 👍
@kelvinallen9327
@kelvinallen9327 Жыл бұрын
@@momotheone9700 at kelvin Allen liked your comment 👍. Dont take me seriously , were all part of the fan base, im just messing with you. Minato is certainly stronger and faster than Minato? Even Minato said that Minato is better at body flicker and or teleportation than Minato? Even edo Minato can use sage mode, something that alive Minato couldn't? Edo Minato out speed hashirama madara's rival, Minato is faster than Minato? Why the tobirama haters can't see the big picture, young killer bee never reacted to young minato's FTG two times and stalemate him. Minato rather died than use his perfect sage mode, he is so so humble, he chose death over sage mode? Kushina wasn't holding down ninetails with her very very special chain sealing jutsu that is unique to her and a few or all Uzumaki's? And tobirama and hashirama are definitely not descendants to hagoromo, they don't have powerful Chakra and they can't seal tailed beast, unlike all the other villages that were able to seal their tailed beast, who dont have a single clan that is stronger than the SENJU'S ? The senju clan is not known as the clan of a thousand skills, they never asked their cousins the Uzumaki's to teach them sealing jutsu? Minato and young obito's fight wasn't a very very CLOSE one, either of them could have touched the other, Minato was miles miles faster than young young obito . Young obito wasn't just about to touch Minato? so if edo Minato can out speed hashirama , then does that mean young young obito would have been able to touch hashirama and teleport him into his kamui dimension. Since he did so well against Minato the fastest DC and Marvel . character ? And since we see hashirama madara's rival is much much slower than edo Minato, young young obito is much faster than hashirama? 👍 we kool. No offense 👍🤜👊🤛
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
@@kelvinallen9327 obito has advantages in his fight vs minato
@saadsami8860
@saadsami8860 Жыл бұрын
Putin is the goot
@momotheone9700
@momotheone9700 Жыл бұрын
2:19 100% i nevwr agreed with the "neji was right" argument, especially while him himself never believe it either, neji was a hypocrete and naruto called him on it.
@yoshter135
@yoshter135 Жыл бұрын
Neji was right, though Naruto is literally the child of prophecy, all the hokage are related to him somehow except Kakashi who was his teacher, speaking of teachers, he was trained by literally the best shinobis in the ninja world. Your argument for why Neji wasn’t right was because Ashura loses a lot. But the only person that can even fight him, let alone beat him is his brother Indra because they are literally demigods, but that’s the thing. People who became hokage were destined to be hokage and that includes Naruto. Even in the first chapter/episode, he learns how to do a difficult and forbidden technique because he was born with so much Chakra.
@Infamous1892
@Infamous1892 Жыл бұрын
The Neji Argument is accurate. It was never implied or mentioned that Naruto was a child of Destiny until a little before or After the Pain arc. Then once he gains control of the Nine Tails, becomes the reincarnation of a God. That was far different from when Naruto learned Sage mode. It was personal, but the reincarnation made all that growth look less earned more given. Sasuke is peak bad writing. Compare him to Zuko from Avatar Sasuke never questions himself on is he doing the right thing. He's just focused on paper goal at hand before someone changes his miGarrard. Him and not himself. Sasuke is just a walking plot device and less of a character. On top of the fact that Sasuke is talked about as if he is top 2 badass characters that live in this universe, but how many fights has he walked in and got carried out on a stretcher? Killer bee? Raikage, Donzo, Deidara, Garra. As for Tobirama. I'm upset that he wasn't the first Hokage. He was a genius who represents the ideas of hard work and dedication defeats raw natural talent.
@kingkeke6235
@kingkeke6235 Жыл бұрын
3rd hokage. He is the worst hokage
@sgtcojonez
@sgtcojonez Жыл бұрын
Neji was right
@phantomface9211
@phantomface9211 Жыл бұрын
Nah neji was right.
@Kenshinxxx0019
@Kenshinxxx0019 Жыл бұрын
filler for kaguya and zetsu
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