The Most Dramatic Trade Announcement in NBA History

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Ryan Van Dusen

Ryan Van Dusen

2 жыл бұрын

June 30, 1993 - With one of Michigan's most elite basketball prospects in state history penned in as a no-brainer No.1 overall pick, it was only fitting that the Palace of Auburn Hills, located a stone's throw north of Detroit, would host the 1993 NBA Draft. Chris Webber received a prolonged standing ovation the moment his name was initially called that evening, so NBA commissioner David Stern appeared to know full well what he was walking into when he approached the mic to announce a trade involving Webber moments later.
For the record, the three future first round draft picks acquired by the Magic yielded Todd Fuller (1996), Vince Carter (1998), and Mike Miller (2000). One year following the Webber deal, Orlando packaged two of those picks (1996 and 1998) alongside Scott Skiles, sending all to Washington in a salary dump intended to facilitate the Magic's signing of Horace Grant.
Four months later, the 1996 and 1998 future first round picks (Fuller and Carter) returned to Golden State, the original owner of the picks, once again in exchange for Chris Webber, who was sent to Washington following a second-year fallout with Warriors head coach Don Nelson.
Todd Fuller averaged 4.0 points over two seasons with the Warriors. Carter, drafted fifth overall by Golden State in 1998, was sent to Toronto on draft night in exchange for North Carolina teammate Antawn Jamison.
Webber went on to enjoy a 15-year Hall of Fame career. Hardaway, meanwhile, teamed up with Shaquille O'Neal to lead the Magic to the Finals in 1995 before leg injuries prematurely dulled his ascent. Hardaway made four all-star appearances in Orlando then gently winded down his career as a role player in the 2000's.

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@YoyoF37
@YoyoF37 2 жыл бұрын
This is one instance where social media kinda ruined things. Announcements like this, in person with no one knowing before, are amazing
@mikemartin5749
@mikemartin5749 2 жыл бұрын
Not just isolated announcements. For me, there is no joy in watching a draft anymore, in any sport. It has all been ruined by the 24/7 broadcasting of prior knowledge and speculation leading up to draft day.
@YoyoF37
@YoyoF37 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikemartin5749 Yes exactly. I mute the insiders when it's draft day, but it's already too late, you basically know the top 5 every time
@silverfang4583
@silverfang4583 2 жыл бұрын
@@YoyoF37 I mean if you watch the players in college you likely already know the picks based of just watching them. And if you don't watch college who cares who is drafted 1t or 60th because at the end of the day you only care how they preform once in the nba
@TheRadFactor
@TheRadFactor 2 жыл бұрын
ONE instance??
@ronaldthump793
@ronaldthump793 2 жыл бұрын
Are you joking, it's all set up. It's the entertainment industry.
@jeffthomas8043
@jeffthomas8043 2 жыл бұрын
Lol David Stern was enjoying every moment of this
@tylerlynn3617
@tylerlynn3617 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P the legend
@conanbdetective
@conanbdetective 2 жыл бұрын
Also when Portland drafted Sabonis, he had to snicker a lil bit too.
@yossimelamed9555
@yossimelamed9555 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if he enjoyed it as much as when he vetoed the Chris Paul trade
@lucasdias7689
@lucasdias7689 2 жыл бұрын
Attention merchant 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@vellstraus1555
@vellstraus1555 2 жыл бұрын
@@conanbdetective they did my man arvydas dirty:(
@mrsuns10
@mrsuns10 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the crowd’s groan gets intense every time he announces something new
@georgetyler6823
@georgetyler6823 2 жыл бұрын
Right 😭
@mattthomas1442
@mattthomas1442 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the pre internet or atleast internet on your phone days where you could get a reaction like this. Now everybody will already see the news on social media before the announcement.
@jrus690
@jrus690 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that Anfernee Hardaway did not fit the Warriors and Chris Webber would not have fit the Magic, so it was really good for both teams. Now, if Shaq had just not given up and ran for Los Angeles in 1996.
@luisgustavo5450
@luisgustavo5450 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrus690 webber played only 1 year in gsw
@thecoldcallerguy
@thecoldcallerguy 2 жыл бұрын
It’s like he’s Maury telling the audience about his guests secrets 😂
@blackphillip564
@blackphillip564 2 жыл бұрын
My man, D. Stern holding court. He had great timing, pace, adjusting the mic. Acting like he was about to tell them they were all getting $1 million.
@bhata1234
@bhata1234 2 жыл бұрын
You mean billion 😁
@KanyeMeatrider47
@KanyeMeatrider47 2 жыл бұрын
He rigged a whole bunch of stuff but rip anyway
@yossimelamed9555
@yossimelamed9555 2 жыл бұрын
@@KanyeMeatrider47 ye like Chris Paul lakers
@TWolfyG
@TWolfyG 2 жыл бұрын
@@yossimelamed9555 bro Lakers would’ve never lost lol
@TWolfyG
@TWolfyG 2 жыл бұрын
@@yossimelamed9555 also how weird would Odom, Scola, Martin, and Dragic on the Hornets have been lol
@805Bruin
@805Bruin 2 жыл бұрын
I was in the 10th grade when this went down. After hearing the terms of the trade, I remember thinking how far away the year 2000 seemed to be.
@Lymbe06
@Lymbe06 2 жыл бұрын
Heh I feel u bro.
@eddyecho
@eddyecho 2 жыл бұрын
Damn when i was in the 10th grade, bron and melo were dueling each other in high school
@deenice9169
@deenice9169 2 жыл бұрын
Damn this comment is interesting. I remember when I first saw IRobot and thinking how 2035 (when movie took place), was 31 years away. Watched it the other day and was like, “damn it’s only 13 years now”
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 2 жыл бұрын
now its long past day from a distant memory
@bigfleece
@bigfleece 2 жыл бұрын
When I was in 10th grade NBA 2K13 was the game of the century and Andrew Wiggins & Jabari Parker were projected to be the next Lebron & Kobe
@jonathanorr44
@jonathanorr44 2 жыл бұрын
Dude had WWE level promo skills. Knew exactly when to pause and milk the reaction. I miss Stern.
@Fivepointstang2
@Fivepointstang2 2 жыл бұрын
“What?”
@targusmacintosh7506
@targusmacintosh7506 2 жыл бұрын
"The Brooklyn Nets have acquired the draft rights to BROOOOOCK LEEEESNAR!!!"
@sade237
@sade237 2 жыл бұрын
@@targusmacintosh7506 bro wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Antonin1738
@Antonin1738 2 жыл бұрын
that draft where he was waving his hand for more boos lmao
@bigmac375
@bigmac375 2 жыл бұрын
@@targusmacintosh7506 looooool
@Swove2204
@Swove2204 2 жыл бұрын
For those wondering about the three future first round draft picks: Orlando retained the 2000 pick and selected Mike Miller. They sent the other two picks to Washington in 1994, who then sent those picks BACK to Golden State for, you guessed it, Chris Webber. The Warriors used those picks on Todd Fuller (1996) and Vince Carter (1998), though Carter was immediately traded to Toronto in exchange for Antawn Jamison. Basically, the Warriors traded Anfernee Hardaway, Chris Webber, and three future first round draft picks for Tom Gugliotta and two of those same draft picks.
@splashnskillz37
@splashnskillz37 2 жыл бұрын
What a bad trade, damn
@nutmeghoops6015
@nutmeghoops6015 2 жыл бұрын
The process 🤣
@SchmupKing
@SchmupKing 2 жыл бұрын
Sawinggggg and a misssss
@frankiethefrog1752
@frankiethefrog1752 2 жыл бұрын
Oh lawwwd!
@el_emilio22
@el_emilio22 2 жыл бұрын
You are the best!
@danielallyway
@danielallyway 2 жыл бұрын
Stern was serious about this kind of drama!
@rodwavelover123
@rodwavelover123 2 жыл бұрын
aight bro no disrespect but why are you everywhere.
@Goonin666
@Goonin666 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodwavelover123 how is that disrespectful
@weallnpc
@weallnpc 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodwavelover123 he’s a bot or a no life
@danielallyway
@danielallyway 2 жыл бұрын
@@weallnpc You think? Can you make a better assumption?
@danielallyway
@danielallyway 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodwavelover123 I choose to be. How do you see me everywhere?
@northernlight1000
@northernlight1000 2 жыл бұрын
RIP Sir David Stern, The NBA was at its peak when you were around!!
@user-mc1ir2ri9i
@user-mc1ir2ri9i 2 жыл бұрын
Hell naw
@nomnom9992
@nomnom9992 2 жыл бұрын
Fax
@dipper5835
@dipper5835 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah because the nba was as scripted as wrestling when he was around
@cjvaye99
@cjvaye99 2 жыл бұрын
F david stern
@adriandurlej9266
@adriandurlej9266 2 жыл бұрын
lmaooo whats wrong with the nba today
@Hackaveli
@Hackaveli 2 жыл бұрын
Love how Stern really leaned into his supreme heel role lol
@bushysowavvey
@bushysowavvey 2 жыл бұрын
Really channeling Vince here
@jeffmiller3499
@jeffmiller3499 2 жыл бұрын
Sith lord
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
David Stern was the perfect heel.. He was the guy that everyone loves to hate.. I wish someone do a list of the perfect heels in Sports (Outside of Pro Wrestling)
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
@@bushysowavvey Yes!!
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmiller3499 Oh hell yes!
@PatNeedhamUSA
@PatNeedhamUSA 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the crowd here acted like a WWE crowd and yelled "What?" after every pause
@Erix7810
@Erix7810 2 жыл бұрын
LOLOL
@williamchristopher5653
@williamchristopher5653 2 жыл бұрын
That would be super annoying just like in wwe
@victoriannecastle
@victoriannecastle 2 жыл бұрын
Or, "USA, USA, USA."
@deangeloj4349
@deangeloj4349 2 жыл бұрын
It would be fitting cuz the nba is scripted just like the wwe
@therevanchist9986
@therevanchist9986 2 жыл бұрын
@@deangeloj4349 It ain’t. Only the refs are bought.
@wmaneker
@wmaneker 2 жыл бұрын
I was a young magic fan at the time, I think this was the summer before 7th grade. When the magic received the number 1 pick, my brothers and I dreamed of Webber and Shaq in the front court. We were booing on this day, but the next few years with Shaq and Penny were amazing.
@anon2414
@anon2414 2 жыл бұрын
Shaq said he wanted Penny all along he didn't want Chris Webber cuz he wanted somebody to pass him the ball in the post. Shaq was mad when they drafted Chris Webber cuz he didn't know the plan
@back2back379
@back2back379 2 жыл бұрын
I was a Magic fan too, Shaq/Penny was awesome.
@cjwrench07
@cjwrench07 2 жыл бұрын
If Shaq had stayed skinny, and not been such a homophobe that he changed his FT shooting motion down to that stupid wrist flick; he could have been on the level of Kareem or Russell as a beast until his last game.
@williamdavis9562
@williamdavis9562 2 жыл бұрын
@@cjwrench07 Not sure what shack being a homophobe has anything to do with him being a better player. Would not being a homophobe made his free throws go in or something? What in the world are you talking about?
@joshmcdonald7472
@joshmcdonald7472 2 жыл бұрын
@@anon2414 which is hilarious cuz Cwebb could pass beautifully for a big man. They would’ve bullied teams nightly
@geoffreyrue8026
@geoffreyrue8026 2 жыл бұрын
This felt more like a WWE promo than a trade announcement.
@kevinvila9760
@kevinvila9760 2 жыл бұрын
For real hahahah.
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
@Wizard Far as front office I would say Entertainment purposes but those players are playing for real.. but yeah David Stern was a heel and he loved being one..
@atleticomadridusa
@atleticomadridusa 2 жыл бұрын
David stern: *breathes* Crowd: ooooohhhhhhh
@yingghit97
@yingghit97 2 жыл бұрын
This was before I was born, but I still really loved every moment of C-Webbs carerr (except the injuries) with the Warriors to Washington to Sacremento to Detroit everybody respected and loved him opponents and teammates alike
@jakerojas4756
@jakerojas4756 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah coolest game for a 4. Orlando should've kept him. That southeast US Florida vibe with the 2 best young big men prospects...
@slingblade8963
@slingblade8963 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakerojas4756 Hardaway was a better fit with Shaq. They just needed to stick together and avoid injuries.
@Yes-No-123
@Yes-No-123 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakerojas4756 shaq wanted penny, not webber
@jakerojas4756
@jakerojas4756 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yes-No-123 You still never pass up on a prospect like that cuz team needs. Look at Melo not going to Detroit.
@oldarthurmorgan6319
@oldarthurmorgan6319 2 жыл бұрын
@@wiiiz3 bro I was born in 2006 and in 16
@mikesharon2177
@mikesharon2177 2 жыл бұрын
David purposely kept the suspense here 🤣😂 man what a trade they got outta that! Penny Hardaway was a stud but his injuries delayed and hurt his legacy unfortunately:( but he was fast, could move, shoot & dunk! He was one of my favs in early 90s. And not much needs to be said on Webber if you know his career or watched his games back then. RIP Mr. STERN🙏🙏🙏
@quenderasjuaro7028
@quenderasjuaro7028 2 жыл бұрын
Penny Hardaway Career Highlights (Best on KZbin) 🔥🔥 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHeUgKaoeKZ0r7M
@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw
@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw 2 жыл бұрын
At that time it was a "win-win" for both teams... you had a big man that did play small ball in GS and you had a young explosive PG in ORL...both teams had a great season.. and the future was bright... too bad Webber got out after that season... imagine him alongside with Tim, Spree, Chris and Ronny..
@jrus690
@jrus690 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad that Shaq had to skip town on Anfernee, they could have challenged the Bulls.
@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw
@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrus690 always thougt he left afraid of MJ
@jrus690
@jrus690 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw It is really hard to say, I never took it that way at the time, not that he did any better out west with the Lakers. The Utah Jazz wiped their butts with the Lakers in 97 and 98, proving just how good the Jazz were, so Shaq did not gain much.
@tchalla7828
@tchalla7828 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrus690 yep because remember Kobe was a gamble by West obviously he became legendary but nobody at that time except for West saw the greatness.
@FuShengAlex
@FuShengAlex 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw he and Orlando won a playoff series vs Jordan and Chicago. It had nothing to do with being afraid. Orlando offered him a 7 year 95 million contract on par with what Washington was willing to pay Juwan Howard which Shaq felt was a slap in the face as he was FAR above Juwan as a player. Jerry West came in with a more lucrative offer of almost $30 more to join the Lakers. And plus Shaq was petty and not happy sharing the spotlight with Penny.
@JB-qt4hp
@JB-qt4hp 10 ай бұрын
Stern, love him or hate him, was such an iconic commissioner. He had all the behind the scenes shrewdness, along with stage presence that absolutely belied his calm, composed public demeanor. This clip really encapsulates all those assets at his disposal.
@Skier10
@Skier10 2 ай бұрын
And he spit all over Seattle
@michaelmesolellaesq
@michaelmesolellaesq 2 жыл бұрын
David RIP. What a time in the NBA, and the nation. Special times. Talk about a ‘trade’ that ran deep.
@chrismoltasanti
@chrismoltasanti 2 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title, i said to myself "This better be the Webber/ Penny trade "
@jackpot9482
@jackpot9482 2 жыл бұрын
The way he only said Orlando and everybody was like OHHHHHHHHHH, and everytime he progresses throughout it’s just more OHHHHHHHHHH at different levels 😭🤣🤣
@ndrocca
@ndrocca 2 жыл бұрын
I knew what trade it was before I clicked on this video. It always makes me chuckle when I listen to this announcement. Stern’s timing, Webber’s reaction, the crowd, everything made this so much more dramatic than it had any right to be.
@ends15
@ends15 2 жыл бұрын
As a 40 y.o. who lived all his life in Orlando, I saw 1st hand the excitement that came with Shaq and Penny. I have thought what if, However I still in my mind stick with penny and here's why. Sure we lost an amazing power forward To get the next best guard, however That gap was filled the next season by Horace Grant. Horace was exactly what we needed defensively. Didn't require huge numbers, and had the mindset of a champion. We do not beat Chicago in the 95 playoffs without him. As good as C-Webb is, I believe he needed his offensive touches and him and Shaq would have clashed and left that void at point gaurd with just Scott Skiles. because of this, In handsight, I think it was the best decision for everybody
@dashantyler1475
@dashantyler1475 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds right,until you remember WEBBER was one of the original point forwards in the nba...so I believe he would have taken Orlando to the next level
@doctorx1924
@doctorx1924 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 2 years younger than you but you make great points. For years I believed the Magic made a mistake by not getting CWebb. You make great points about how Horace filled the gap defensively and how without Penny they would have only had Skiles to play the PG. As a Spurs fan I can say having two big guys in Robinson/Duncan wasn't enough. That the Spurs need good perimeter players to win a title which is why they had a gap of 4 years between the '99 title and the '03 title due to guys like Elie, Elliott, Avery Johnson all declining and retiring. It wasn't until they reloaded with Bowen, Ginobili, Parker were they back to winning titles again. The Magic would have faced the same problems by not having a good PG.
@alessandroreyes8250
@alessandroreyes8250 2 жыл бұрын
Ok
@jepoybengco
@jepoybengco 2 жыл бұрын
Its gonna be hard for Shaq to play along side CWebb they both gonna be asking the ball from the post lol
@dashantyler1475
@dashantyler1475 2 жыл бұрын
@@jepoybengco webber had a mean face up game too...in Sacramento he posted up,but also ran the offense from the outside as well and did it very effectively. With his handle and shooting ability,he would have been a nightmare to guard knowing SHAQ was in the paint...you wouldn't have been able to double both
@kidsmithree
@kidsmithree 2 жыл бұрын
No one at the time realized how good a deal this was for Orlando. Hardaway is one of the greatest PG's ever....
@byHeaLiiAU
@byHeaLiiAU 2 жыл бұрын
No he wasn't, he had 3 good seasons and then it was over due to injuries. I'm sure he had potential to be a great, but he was a 4x all star, 3 time All-NBA player. It was short lived
@Chris-kk6cw
@Chris-kk6cw 2 жыл бұрын
@@byHeaLiiAU lots of things factor into stats and longevity but nobody can tell me Penny wasn’t one of the most talented pg’s of all time
@LessGo7921
@LessGo7921 2 жыл бұрын
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
@kwho4286
@kwho4286 2 жыл бұрын
he's like a mixture of Magic and Mike
@kidsmithree
@kidsmithree 2 жыл бұрын
@@kwho4286 I agree...
@DloHeadBussa
@DloHeadBussa 2 жыл бұрын
I remember back in a day on 2k Watching David Stereo calling up MyPlayer in the draft and watching this now just brings back so many good memories David Stern will always be missed
@sulomiller4945
@sulomiller4945 2 жыл бұрын
Chris Webber for Penny is a good trade (if Penny stayed healthy). They were both excellent players. The 3 first round picks make it a little lopsided
@jquaite
@jquaite 2 жыл бұрын
Big men were still valued way more than perimeter players back then.
@michaelwainscott2633
@michaelwainscott2633 2 жыл бұрын
Time out! Time out! Let me get this straight...... 😂
@leonzaduncan2438
@leonzaduncan2438 2 жыл бұрын
Golden State got there draft picks from Washington the next year
@JamesDeBall
@JamesDeBall 2 жыл бұрын
In retrospect it was a good trade but at the time people thought Webber was going to be a great player.
@gringobronx7670
@gringobronx7670 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesDeBall Webber was a great player
@CelebornGaming
@CelebornGaming 2 жыл бұрын
David's timing was on point! RIP to the legend!
@LifeDeCrescendo
@LifeDeCrescendo 2 жыл бұрын
You know, I really appreciate the level of context in the video description. Thanks for going to the trouble of explaining things
@DloHeadBussa
@DloHeadBussa 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard all the stories about this trade And now watching it for the first time brings chills even just knowing what had happened in NBA history. Respect
@acnicodemus4734
@acnicodemus4734 2 жыл бұрын
Pat Williams (Magic GM) really finessed the Warriors in that trade, imagine 3 first round picks (along with Penny in exchange for C-Webb) even though it didn't matter to anything significant, but still.
@PyroPuffs777
@PyroPuffs777 2 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure one of those draft picks was for Vince Carter.
@bumblebity2902
@bumblebity2902 2 жыл бұрын
they bringed back two of three picks via Chris Webber trade to Bullets.
@bumblebity2902
@bumblebity2902 2 жыл бұрын
baecause of Orlando dumb Scott Skiles trade.
@fusionn4316
@fusionn4316 2 жыл бұрын
@@PyroPuffs777 Yeah it was. What's interesting is that the Warriors traded that draft pick to the Magic in 1993 for Webber and the pick ended up getting passed around and in 1994, the Bullets ended up trading it back to the Warriors for Webber.
@805Bruin
@805Bruin 2 жыл бұрын
@@fusionn4316 Yup. Orlando traded Scott Skiles and the 1996 and 1998 picks to the Bullets. Then the Bullets traded those two picks plus their own 2000 pick and Tom Gugliotta for Chris Webber. So Golden State took Todd Fuller with the 1996 pick (one spot before Kobe) and then they took Vince Carter with the 1998 pick (which they traded for Antawn Jamison). The Magic kept the 2000 pick that they acquired from the Warriors and took Mike Miller in the 5th spot.
@droidgracie4121
@droidgracie4121 2 жыл бұрын
Those 3 future 1st round picks turned into Todd Fuller (#11 in ‘96) for the Warriors, Vince Carter (#5 in ‘98) for the Warriors (the ‘96 and ‘98 picks went back to the Warriors via trade in 1994), and Mike Miller (#5 in ‘00) for Orlando.
@Pijonty
@Pijonty 2 жыл бұрын
0:16 “Orlando.” *_audible disappointment_*
@speakthetruth414
@speakthetruth414 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Shaq tells this story from his point of view. After Shaq and Penny filmed blue chips, Shaq told the magic you better draft Penny. So when Shaq saw that magic drafted webber, Shaq was furious. But all along Orlando was offered 3 first rounders and penny for webber by warriors. Orlando could have drafted penny first but instead completely fleeced the warriors and got who they wanted.
@qbconnect
@qbconnect 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Brilliantly played
@ebiii3106
@ebiii3106 2 жыл бұрын
David Stern was dragging the hell out of that but I loved it
@Jive33
@Jive33 3 ай бұрын
I watched that live. It was a pretty awesome moment. Trades on draft day are so exciting.
@YankeesFan0620
@YankeesFan0620 10 ай бұрын
The man sometimes regarded as one of the most sleeziest, possibly corrupt Comissioners of all time YET possibly the one who saved basketball from disappearing. RIP David Stearn
@otaviofrn_adv
@otaviofrn_adv Ай бұрын
David did everything his job required to make the NBA what it is today. He had his question marks, but his bar is high, not only on the NBA but in all sports.
@jasonmata1206
@jasonmata1206 2 жыл бұрын
"IT WAS ME ALL ALONG AUSTIN!!" Felt like he was gonna start saying this🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jasonmata1206
@jasonmata1206 2 жыл бұрын
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@mr.slim6188
@mr.slim6188 2 жыл бұрын
Shaq basically gave Orlando no other choice then to get Penny somehow. He said it many times in interviews that after filming Blue Chips and seeing what Penny could do that's who he wanted as his teammate. Even if Orlando just kept with C.Webb I don't think they would have been as successful as Shaq/Penny simply because Scott Skiles wasn't a good enough PG to contribute to the duo
@spamandjamjamandspam8669
@spamandjamjamandspam8669 2 жыл бұрын
They could've traded for a guard.
@Chris-kk6cw
@Chris-kk6cw 2 жыл бұрын
@@juniord3997 I feel like getting high and watching that game on KZbin. Just knowing all these crisp assists are about to happen
@overratedgm5713
@overratedgm5713 24 күн бұрын
@@spamandjamjamandspam8669 They could have drafted Nick Van Exel with their other pick
@tonygray8909
@tonygray8909 2 жыл бұрын
Mate, great video and excellent description
@scottb3034
@scottb3034 2 жыл бұрын
Man these names bring me back. Growing up in Chicago in the 90s over course I was a bulls fan but man...I miss the 90s magic..and Knicks...and pacers....and sonics....and rockets...and spurs...and even teams like the warriors...what I would give to go back. Guess that's why I still watch the games here. Just wish they were in HD resolution and more of the games had commercials included.
@otaviofrn_adv
@otaviofrn_adv Ай бұрын
had not the Bulls been a machine of domination, the 90's woud probably one of the most evenly contested decades in the history of the NBA. Maybe Houston would be the only two time champion of the period. But the Bulls were such a war machine that Seattle in '96 had a 67 win season and no homecourt advantage in the final. Any other team in the final they would've won it with first two and the final two at Key Arena.
@scottb3034
@scottb3034 Ай бұрын
@@otaviofrn_adv Agree. They also flipped Phoenix's and Utah's homecourt on their head and take care of two of the strongest teams to no win a finals. I think of their finals opponents they denied 5 of them titles. Portland wins in 92, phoenix probably 93, seattle probably 96 and utah both of their years. maybe orlando or new york take 93 and 96.
@timothythomas8082
@timothythomas8082 2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching that thinking as soon as Orlando got Webber with the first pick that the Magic was going to have maybe the best 4 and 5 guy in history. Best power forward and Center match up. Can you imagine Chris Webber as the 4 and Shaq at 5?
@Panda_Po7
@Panda_Po7 2 жыл бұрын
They basically didn't have a good PG that time. That's why they need Penny
@timothythomas8082
@timothythomas8082 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah that's right. Scott Skiles came a year or 2 later
@emanuelmartinez7267
@emanuelmartinez7267 2 жыл бұрын
@@timothythomas8082 it wasn't really going to happen. Shaq really wanted to play with Penny, Chris said as much in an interview saying that as soon as he heard the trade he knew it was to get the point guard shaq wanted. He wasn't upset cause he knew it wasn't personal and Shaq told him prior to the draft that even tho he thought him and Chris would be great together he just thought Penny's game fit in better with shaqs
@Sephiroth766
@Sephiroth766 2 жыл бұрын
@@timothythomas8082 Skiles was on the team already and was good. He was just in his early 30's I believe, He got traded the next year to make room in cap for Horace Grant.
@scottb3034
@scottb3034 2 жыл бұрын
Idk if they match any of the other best 4, 5s though. You have the two HOFers in Houston in Hakeem and Sampson, Elgin Baylor and wilt, McHale and parish...there are some truly great pairings out there. Maybe a fully realized Shaq and Webber surpass em all but no guarantees.
@user-hs7me9vc9w
@user-hs7me9vc9w 9 ай бұрын
This is how I’m going to announce every change in my lesson plans to my students! 😂
@kenhidalgo9477
@kenhidalgo9477 2 жыл бұрын
If Shaq stayed in Orlando. Maybe they would’ve won a title.
@fusionn4316
@fusionn4316 2 жыл бұрын
Nah because Penny was dealing with injuries.
@amare1cro
@amare1cro 2 жыл бұрын
Well in 1997 would be a great chance, because this was Pennys best year. Although it couldve been the Shaq is gone effect. He single handedly won that series against Miami scoring 42 points in 3 straight games. After that he was crushed by injuries and created some drama to force a trade He had a good year or two in Phoenix, but when you play the “experienced veteran player” game in the late 20s, like Grant Hill was also playing, then you know you got some serious injury issues
@moniquewrites9046
@moniquewrites9046 2 жыл бұрын
I loved David Stern. He was so good at his job!
@Antman_9602
@Antman_9602 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he was so good.. i remember this time when he vetoed a trade that would send Chris Paul to the Lakers for “basketball reasons”
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
@@Antman_9602 as I look at it now ( A Laker vs Heat Rivalry) would have been awesome plus ratings would have been up to it's best In years.. But then agree Dallas wouldn't never won in 2011 neither..
@tevinsherrill5653
@tevinsherrill5653 2 жыл бұрын
Hindsight is 20/20. Imagine if that trade doesn't happen. Do the Magic win a title? Maybe, maybe not. But Shaq and C-Webb on the same team really makes you think.
@unappealingundesirable2826
@unappealingundesirable2826 2 жыл бұрын
I was born in 1973 in Seattle, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American. (these show you where, when, and HOW I grew up) The power forward slot was the Magic's weak spot in 1992-93, and I thought Webber was PERFECT to plug that gap. Not to take away from Penny, in his prime. But, I realized something else, in the past 5 years (and, I'm 48 as I write this): So many great centers, did NOT have a dominating power forward! Who were the best championship-winning power forwards the Lakers had? Pau Gasol was awesome. But, Kareem had solid but not superstar Tom Rambis, Shaq's best Lakers power forward was Karl Malone near the end of his career. I guess it IS hard for a dominant center, to co-exist with a dominant power forward. But, look at the greatest frontline ever, of Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish. Believe me, I was on the Shaq-Webber bandwagon.
@sundeep18
@sundeep18 2 жыл бұрын
@@unappealingundesirable2826 Duncan / Robinson comes to mind. Olajuwon and Sampson too
@profitcs8506
@profitcs8506 2 жыл бұрын
Webber aged better, but penny jumped out earlier in their careers. Shaq and penny went to the finals.
@michaelrobinson540
@michaelrobinson540 2 жыл бұрын
They would've destroyed Chicago in the paint and had 2 bigs to compete with Hakeem. But they would've never signed Horace Grant (whom was a perfect fit for them) and an old Scott Skiels would've been their pg. They would've not gone to finals in 95' and it probably would've been New York or Indiana
@EGarrett01
@EGarrett01 2 жыл бұрын
By all accounts Penny's predraft workout was legendary. They might have just taken him at #1 over Webber but Webber was so highly touted they realized they could get the extra draft picks too by trading Webber for him.
@verbalstormborn
@verbalstormborn 2 жыл бұрын
Stern’s face reading it to the crowd’s reaction priceless
@iphone4s438
@iphone4s438 2 жыл бұрын
This felt like watching WWF I was waiting for JR to cut in like “you gotta be kidding me! Stern you sick SOB!”😂
@Hamzz25
@Hamzz25 2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine if this trade never went down . That magic team would’ve been scaryyyyy 🤯🤯
@thebadaids
@thebadaids 2 жыл бұрын
Knowing what we do now, that was an amazing trade. What are you talking about?
@adrian11gaubeca
@adrian11gaubeca 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebadaids idk maybe he meant to say golden state LOL
@scottb3034
@scottb3034 2 жыл бұрын
Penny, especially in the 90s when the magic were a threat was better than web.
@UFOsAreRealArea51
@UFOsAreRealArea51 11 ай бұрын
​@Scott B I don't care for penny because he wasn't a big man like Chris Webber. I like to watch big men play. I would have liked to see Webber and Shaq on the same team. That trade pissed me the hell off back then.
@michaelcorcoran8768
@michaelcorcoran8768 10 ай бұрын
​@@thebadaidsI don't really think so. They never won a title and hard way had a very short lived career. The ceiling would have been way higher with Weber.
@nathantibbs4602
@nathantibbs4602 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was an All Time Player and just got hurt and was never the same. Grant Hill also was great. Two of the most talented 3 year primes in the history of the NBA. Vince Carter also. All were “supposed” to dethrone Mike at some point and take the Torch….. But Mike wasn’t giving up that Torch for no player. Mike was a gift that I’m blessed to have witnessed. Nothing was as Box office as seeing Mike do something amazing every single night. The highlights don’t even tell the half of it.
@user-ck6fc2dq3o
@user-ck6fc2dq3o 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for that… nice follow up 🎉
@ricbradley5323
@ricbradley5323 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent delivery
@rosenamajunas1159
@rosenamajunas1159 2 жыл бұрын
As the title said most dramatic for a sec i thought this was the Kwame Brown and Pau Gasol Trade. During that time I said Jerry Mr. lowballer you did it again
@doraima29
@doraima29 2 жыл бұрын
Good trade at that time. Definitely need a guard that can play with Shaq. GSW got Chris Webber.
@lukecage3485
@lukecage3485 2 жыл бұрын
It never stopped being a great trade for Orlando. Its unfortunate that Penny never came back from that injury but when he was in his prime he was a 1st ballot HOFer.
@justsomeguywithoutamustach7122
@justsomeguywithoutamustach7122 2 жыл бұрын
Did he just said anthony hardaway? 🤣
@justmakemeaname
@justmakemeaname 2 жыл бұрын
@@justsomeguywithoutamustach7122 anfernee with an accent
@jenesaisquoijones5423
@jenesaisquoijones5423 2 жыл бұрын
Yooooo! Stern was laughing in his mind all the way through. 😂😂😂
@matthewtorres6692
@matthewtorres6692 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that. What was crazy as they even had a basketball card already out with both Shaq and Webber on it in Orlando uniforms
@profitcs8506
@profitcs8506 2 жыл бұрын
I'm taking penny over Webber too. Penny was a superstar and along with shaq were a dynamic duo. Webber didn't suffer the injuries later in his career and did really well too.
@TimSimmons653
@TimSimmons653 2 жыл бұрын
🤡
@guesswhonot1620
@guesswhonot1620 2 жыл бұрын
Penny isn't in the HOF, is he?
@sgshumblecrumb6046
@sgshumblecrumb6046 2 жыл бұрын
Penny + 3 picks was actually pretty sound by Orlando, just didn't work out with Penny going down, and I don't think those 3 picks translated to much. They filled the PF spot with Horace Grant not much further down the line and along with Shaq and Penny, formed the core of a conference champion team. Not too bad if you ask me.
@scottb3034
@scottb3034 2 жыл бұрын
@@guesswhonot1620 that doesn't refute he wasn't a better player or a superstar. That just means something robbed him if that opportunity...that being injuries. Hardaway was the best player out of that draft until the end of 1997. And Webber wasn't very special until after 00. Given the names that have made the hall in recent years penny may be deserving just for that short 4 year stretch of dominance as arguably the best point guard in an era of great points in the mid 90s.
@jbg.goetting
@jbg.goetting 2 жыл бұрын
Stern got to feel like Woj for once
@cheefpoker
@cheefpoker 2 жыл бұрын
I will never ever forget this. I was a little kid at the time but I remember being in complete shock.
@moonmc1047
@moonmc1047 2 ай бұрын
Why so shock?! This is nothing
@cheefpoker
@cheefpoker 2 ай бұрын
I was in 3rd grade..... LOL @@moonmc1047
@inallairness
@inallairness 3 ай бұрын
The pause after "Orlando..." 👏
@DStabs720
@DStabs720 2 жыл бұрын
They MLB needs someone like Stern. He knew how to market the game!
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
Like it or not he did know how to market his league..
@SadDad01
@SadDad01 2 жыл бұрын
Penny imo was the right choice.. Orlando had a great thing going with him and Shaq. It's just one of those things that makes you wonder. What would 2 young beasts like Webber and Shaq looked like, playing together.
@jamespuso1627
@jamespuso1627 2 жыл бұрын
If they played their cards right they'd have had T-Mac and Vince Carter later.
@GabrielGarcia-jf2uc
@GabrielGarcia-jf2uc 2 жыл бұрын
@Fries Grant Hill
@GabrielGarcia-jf2uc
@GabrielGarcia-jf2uc 2 жыл бұрын
@Fries if penny stayed healthy and they keep Shaq MJ second 3peat would've been at risk.
@Cityoftrees1911
@Cityoftrees1911 2 жыл бұрын
As much as I liked Penny but Cwebb and shaq in the frontcourt😮
@jamespuso1627
@jamespuso1627 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cityoftrees1911 Shaq always played with an elite guard or guard like player, another big man would have probably just gotten in his way. Hardaway was the right fit for him.
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great deal for Orlando Penny was the bomb and three first round picks great moves by Orlando that day.
@anthonymoore7196
@anthonymoore7196 2 жыл бұрын
I was 11-years-old when this happened. We lived in a small town just north of Orlando back then - big Magic fans. I remember my dad almost putting his foot through the tv. 😂😂😂
@charlesgilbert2054
@charlesgilbert2054 2 жыл бұрын
Chris Webber: "Wait, timeout. What just happened?"
@tpstrat14
@tpstrat14 2 жыл бұрын
I love that he is absolutely relishing being the guy who gets to spill the beans lol
@youtubeaccount6539
@youtubeaccount6539 2 жыл бұрын
The delivery was amazing
@someparts
@someparts 2 жыл бұрын
Best "playa haters ball" style crowd reaction ever.
@juanpabloromero7814
@juanpabloromero7814 2 жыл бұрын
Anfernee “penny” hardaway. Un terrible crack. Sin las lesiones hubiese hecho historia. Un súper jugador
@bobbyc87_
@bobbyc87_ 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was the best!! Loved the Shaq and penny duo!
@edwardgarde924
@edwardgarde924 2 жыл бұрын
Before kobe and Shaq it was Penny and Shaq...
@quenderasjuaro7028
@quenderasjuaro7028 2 жыл бұрын
Shaquille O’Neal Orlando Magic Highlights kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHeUgKaoeKZ0r7M
@nameyourchannel2712
@nameyourchannel2712 2 жыл бұрын
Damn c Webb and hardaway. Elementary school years were fire
@Salazar824
@Salazar824 2 ай бұрын
Mr Stern u are very much missed. So glad i grew up in your NBA.
@unappealingundesirable2826
@unappealingundesirable2826 2 жыл бұрын
You MUST know this about me, to understand where, when and how I grew up: I was born in 1973 in Seattle, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American. 1993-2002 was a mostly good time of my life. So, seeing this 1993 footage brings me back to GREAT times. 1993-94 was one of the BEST times of my life! 1996 was pretty good, too. I have long thought that I'd live to be 48, and pass away in 2021. My Dad unexpectedly passed away in 2003, and life hasn't been as happy since, with the exceptions of 2012 and 2016. I have long planned for my 2021-2022 funeral. If I'm indeed in the last few months of my life, these 1990s NBA memories are what I will cherish, during these final months of my life.
@MustafaKhan-fz1go
@MustafaKhan-fz1go 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, chin up, brother. Make the most of your time while you're still here instead of counting down. We never know when we'll go.
@joenichols3901
@joenichols3901 2 жыл бұрын
Jeez man. It's never too late to find some joy. Adopt a puppy/kitten combo, start reading philosophy and pick up daily exercise. Plus, don't ever miss watching NBA games
@unappealingundesirable2826
@unappealingundesirable2826 2 жыл бұрын
@@joenichols3901 I DO love cats! That's the truth!!
@unappealingundesirable2826
@unappealingundesirable2826 2 жыл бұрын
For years, I have planned for my 2021 funeral. I want it to be MUSIC based! I just want it to be two hours of MUSIC. Mostly, from things reminding me about good times in my life: Sports music, video games music, Christmas music, TV show theme songs (mainly from the 80s), Japanese kid songs, Mother Goose, patriotic songs. The NBA on CBS up to 1990, the NBA on NBC theme song, are among the songs that I want played at my likely 2022 funeral.
@joenichols3901
@joenichols3901 2 жыл бұрын
@@unappealingundesirable2826 Jesus christ. That's either super sarcasm or super dark man
@Travdust
@Travdust 2 жыл бұрын
Webber and Shaq might have been unstoppable together for a time back then
@UFOsAreRealArea51
@UFOsAreRealArea51 11 ай бұрын
Those do do birds didn't want to win. Orlando Magic.
@orlandofields1973
@orlandofields1973 Ай бұрын
I was there. Palace of Auburn Hills. CWebb representing UofM was awesome, and having the draft in Michigan made it better.
@bingbong1222
@bingbong1222 2 жыл бұрын
I remember my dad screaming at the tv at this when I was a kid 🤣🤣
@frankmelkonian7676
@frankmelkonian7676 2 жыл бұрын
Magic rly got the steal right there lmao. It’s always those draft day trades that have people going “damn I guess that wasn’t a dumb move after all”
@tavo_dzaps746
@tavo_dzaps746 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus ❤You
@GrandinquisitorIK
@GrandinquisitorIK 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was my first real favorite nba player. I had those air pennys 1 to 4. But looking back, isnt he a bit overrated? Is he better than Brando Roy, Luka, Lamelo and so on?
@m-train2334
@m-train2334 2 жыл бұрын
He was overrated. He made 4 all star games, but should have only made 3. Other than those three seasons, he was mediocre, mainly because of injury. But if he hadn’t been injured, I don’t think he would have had a better career at PG than J Kidd, Stockton, Payton, Iverson, Tim Hardaway, and several others of his era. Even PGs like Kevin Johnson and Stephon Marbury had better numbers. One can blame injuries, but even in his early years I never got the sense that he could dominate the position. Not his fault, however, that he was taken so highly in the draft and he was more than a serviceable PG, but not a Hall of Famer by any stretch.
@jjktng
@jjktng 2 жыл бұрын
He just looked good coz he could dunk and he played alongside shaq as a PG Imagine CP3 with shaq He would average 15+ assists and win multiple rings
@tb7667
@tb7667 2 жыл бұрын
Now it would all be on social media like 30 minutes before it gets announced. All the fun has been taken out of life.
@gman2015z
@gman2015z 2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy as a Magic fan to have Penny even tho he didn't play long due to injury n I couldn't see him in his prime cuz I was too young.
@danielyankun3605
@danielyankun3605 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of those trades I wish never happened. Shaq and C-Web would’ve been insane.
@tan1of1
@tan1of1 2 жыл бұрын
They don’t make the 95 finals without penny tho just sayin
@danielallyway
@danielallyway 2 жыл бұрын
C-Webb was amazing!
@douglasmodesto168
@douglasmodesto168 2 жыл бұрын
I like how Stern looks like he's playing with the crowd.. he's looking like he is about to burst out laughing
@mcsweeney29
@mcsweeney29 10 ай бұрын
Amazing. Also, that was one hell of a trade for Orlando. Penny PLUS 3 first rounders?!
@arqiteq6172
@arqiteq6172 2 жыл бұрын
Stern was trolling hard 🤣 had the crowd in his hands
@rolo281
@rolo281 2 жыл бұрын
Thank Shaq for that..he threatened the Magic to trade for him
@45Dre
@45Dre 2 жыл бұрын
Diva
@nsxdarin
@nsxdarin 2 жыл бұрын
that pop after "Orlando..."
@davidrummel133
@davidrummel133 2 жыл бұрын
I love at the end when Webber's like "yo I just got back from the bathroom and exactly WTF did I miss?!"
@PistonHeaven
@PistonHeaven 2 жыл бұрын
The way he smiles knowing damn well he’s gonna turn the whole room in 30 seconds
@TheDas9582
@TheDas9582 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was a great player, just too many injuries
@michaelkuhne2705
@michaelkuhne2705 10 ай бұрын
I knew it was this trade right when I seen the video title!
@kevinsiedenburg4955
@kevinsiedenburg4955 10 ай бұрын
Without this trade, the Gugliotta era in GS never would have been possible.
@elnardowebster2842
@elnardowebster2842 2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day...huge buzzz...a lot of what ifs...but truth be told both guys underachieved compared to their incredible potential (both of 'em, Penny and CWebb), so no big deal lol.
@2011americanman
@2011americanman 2 жыл бұрын
That’s right. Tho penny did get to a finals and Webber had a decent run with the kings.
@trevorphillips2868
@trevorphillips2868 2 жыл бұрын
I was in Orlando Arena during the trade. I remember everyone booing because we traded for Hardaway. Funny how Hardaway got Orlando to the Finals.
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of The NFL's Philadelphia Eagles fans booing the hell out of Donovan McNabb..
@KingxXxChief
@KingxXxChief 2 жыл бұрын
He really played the heel like this was a script for WWE 😂
@johnawad8752
@johnawad8752 2 жыл бұрын
The crowd reacted with every word he said😂
@flosad8985
@flosad8985 2 жыл бұрын
Penny is my fav player of all time. He is the biggest What If of all time. He was the future. The perfect combination between Magic, Pippen & Jordan. But fate…
@Kk-vo3yn
@Kk-vo3yn 2 жыл бұрын
I think grant hill was the biggest what if he was healthy his whole career.
@captainfluffy4677
@captainfluffy4677 2 жыл бұрын
Drose
@IyoutubeTv
@IyoutubeTv 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kk-vo3yn hill the biggest what if for me next is vc & tmac stayed together
@vulcanraven5491
@vulcanraven5491 2 жыл бұрын
Biggest " What if " had C-Webb and Shaq actually played together. That would've been magnificent.
@flosad8985
@flosad8985 2 жыл бұрын
@@vulcanraven5491 They couldn’t have played together. They both needed to explode and explore their ways.
@royce2k169
@royce2k169 2 жыл бұрын
RIP David stern, doesn't feel the same without him. Adam silver cant replace him.
@syko6046
@syko6046 2 жыл бұрын
David stern was hell
@josephdurnin7698
@josephdurnin7698 2 жыл бұрын
He was a corrupt control freak, nowadays officiating is soft but at least they don't outright fix the results. Except the one ref who hates CP3 😂
@quenderasjuaro7028
@quenderasjuaro7028 2 жыл бұрын
Times Adam Silver looked like an alien 👽 part 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHeUgKaoeKZ0r7M
@brooks71982
@brooks71982 2 жыл бұрын
That smirk lol, that deviant smile
@jessier.4237
@jessier.4237 10 ай бұрын
Remember watching this when I was 12. NBA was golden in the 90s....
@kingdomthinker9794
@kingdomthinker9794 2 жыл бұрын
Look at it this way Penny hardaway and Chris Webber never got a ring. So I think the trade was pretty much even. What do you think?
@SFO14
@SFO14 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Penny stays and the Warriors draft VC and they keep him, that would’ve been a sick duo if Penny had stayed healthy. C-Webb and Shaq dominating the frontcourt in Orlando. League would’ve been much different.
@lukecage3485
@lukecage3485 2 жыл бұрын
Magic won that trade even though Penny was injured. Too bad those 3 first rounders never amounted to much tho. Webber was injury prone too but had great seasons a few times.
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