The Most Important Chinese EVs That You've Probably Never Heard Of

Episode 361: Join Francie and Mark from ‪@InsideChinaAuto‬ to talk about the latest Beijing Autoshow. They go over the standout unveils, charging infrastructure, the competitive industry, global implications, battery technology, and much much more!
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[@10lawngnomes37]

One of my biggest frustrations with automakers is they never take any of the tech developed in partnership with Chinese counterparts and bring it to other markets. Honda has had an electric "HR-V" equivalent for like 6 years, and yet still uses GM as a crutch to bring something to the US market.

[@mikecarter2737]

Definitely one of the most interesting episodes thus far. The struggles of Ford to license Chinese battery tech shows how deep the resistance to Chinese dominance in the auto industry goes. It is not easy setting up shop in the US to sell vehicles, as Vinfast is finding out.

[@dianewallace6064]

46:00 Geely has the "dark" factory. That's amazing. I did not know that.

[@nerdbikes3841]

Tariffs against China will only cause Ford and GM to raise their own prices in the US frustrating consumers even more . What we are seeing is the decades-long story playing out where China has invested huge efforts into STEM and engineering in particular. Meanwhile in the US high school football stadiums with prices soaring past $100 million are becoming normal. This is called priorities. Those Americans lamenting the rise of Chinese car sales need only look in the mirror and wonder why we did not graduate Math and Science students instead of business majors and lawyers.

[@evkx]

Great talk. Been following Mark on youtube quite some time. Loved his 2 hours show video. Almost like beeing there.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Really glad to have you on board.

[@urbanstrencan]

Great podcast really nice to see inside in Chinese EV automotive industry, and the market there. Also jump that they made is just incredible, just tested BYD Seal and it's just perfect

[@nicholasfigel4708]

Well prepared host with cogent inquiries with the guest. Congratulations Francie.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Francie came with great questions and knew her stuff. Impressive.

[@dianewallace6064]

Thanks, Francie, for this content. I've been subscribed to Mark's YT channel for about a year.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Great to have you with us Diane.

[@dianewallace6064]

@@InsideChinaAuto Of course! I especially loved the Li Mega video. Interested in battery chemistries and features. I'm a chemist.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@dianewallace6064 Ideal video for you then. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@dianewallace6064]

@@InsideChinaAuto Thanks, I live in North Carolina and we own an R1T and Ioniq 6.

[@Jcesare09]

I think that with all the us government tariffs people will eventually want this ev's in America it is just a matter of time Thank you Francie good insides and smart questions it is great show as always

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Just like an oil spokesman

[@ruftime]

Thank you! I can see fleets benefiting from battery swapping, IF there is a profitable increase in battery life vs fast charged batteries.

[@jeffs6090]

It won't change much if we're going to have 100% tarriffs added to all Chinese built vehicles. That'll hurt domestic companies' vehicles that are bulit there like the Envision and Nautilus that are shipped here.

[@ryankelley6982]

Great episode. I'm headed to Hong Kong and Shenzhen next week. Hey @insidechinauto, anything cool EV specific to check out in those cities?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Check out pretty much any big shopping centre in Shenzhen and you'll find a big chunk of the brands we talked about. You'll also likely see a bunch of new BYD stuff and prototypes. You might even see drone food delivery. It's a super modern city being only 30 or so years old. Hong Kong isn't really an EV haven yet but is an awesome place nonetheless.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth....Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste .. 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊

[@leevandyke8524]

Why doesn’t USA, make Chinese companies partner with American companies when they come to the United States?

[@DatLilAsian]

I think this would be needed for the trust to be there and more people will accept it.

[@michaelterrazas1325]

That would be inconsistent with the treatment we gave to the Japanese, German, British, and Korean automakers over the last 60 years. The Chinese coud rightly claim that this was just as unfair as the tariffs. At least around tariffs there are historical precedents to perceived bad action by foreign governments giving their manufacturers unfair advantages over American companies.

[@Okefenokee_Nole]

@@michaelterrazas1325but it would be consistent with how China treats American companies

[@michaelterrazas1325]

@@Okefenokee_Nole Be that as it may, the actions a nation can reasonably take in trade have EVERYTHING to do with what that country has done before. Tariffs have long been considered a traditional way to limit trade, since they have their own limited uses. The PRC has essentially, with the exception of Tesla, required all nations to partner with a local company to have access to their hge market. The US has NEVER put such a stricture on other nations to have access to its markets. The imposition of such a burden ONLY on Chinese-based businesses will cause many of our partners to ask why. As a country, we will lose face because we will be admiting that we are just too incompetent to compete with the Chinese products. That is a tacit admission that Chinese products must be better than the rest of the world.

[@johnpoldo8817]

No, don’t let these Chinese brands come to US. Learn their technology and produce a better EV here.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Prototypes are easy

[@10lawngnomes37]

Even at a 2X markup I think many of the Chinese EVs would be cost competitive against what we get now

[@MrBaskins2010]

you gotta link with wheelsboy

[@dandaigle4546]

GLOBAL, if you are not on board it's almost too late, cause you'll be playing frantic catch up and catch up

[@4rwayner7]

I saw Geely in the Philippines. It was equivalent to the US models but equal in price. Once you compare apples to apples Chinese isn’t so cheap. Just like the Japanese when they first came here in the late ‘50’s with Hondas and such that were the lowest priced they had and the lowest quality.

[@mike168168]

The US is erecting trade barriers to protect domestic car industries, especially in an election year. I just hope that the domestic carmakers don’t get complacent and slow down their technological development pace. They might be protected in the home market, but the Chinese EVs are going to outcompete them everywhere else.

[@frankcoffey]

It's really embarrassing when you have to have tariffs to "protect" you car companies. It's just admitting they didn't innovate and can't compete in the global market.

[@iMaxPatten]

You’ll never catch me driving a Chinese car 😤

[@normt430]

Ha! That's right as your Polestar is from Sweden!

[@iMaxPatten]

@@normt430 sarcasm :)

[@johnpoldo8817]

ME NEITHER 😡. Money you spend on Chinese car helps the CCP military.

[@ploplmao2655]

​@johnpoldo8817so it's okay for your tax dollars to support the genocide in Gaza right ? 😂

[@liveslowsailfastonlanier1374]

What vehicle are you driving and where do the components come from?

[@kelRGo]

It’s called training your own destruction and undermining your business model. It’s not learning it’s stealing. We shouldn’t be there and now we will pay the consequences

[@nicholasmuni7995]

The Chinese cars will be sold in the States when they are built here in the States.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Cheap chines evs can be gutted channeled extracted from battery to use for home energy storage Click click

[@kelRGo]

FSD data will have stay in china before Tesla is allowed to use it. You can get into china but the data must stay when you give up or “sell it back“to the CCP.

[@nicholasmuni7995]

I think the Chinese cars are affordable but dangerous not made well?

[@normt430]

There are a couple in the U.S. now and some in Canada. Have you heard of their problems?

[@davidwill1320]

That has changed. Yes, there are cheap quality vehicles made in China today, but all the experts agree most Chines manufacturers are now very competitive with the quality of vehicles made in the US, EU, Korea and Japan. Volvo is now a Chinese made vehicle. MG appears to be of better quality than when it was British owned.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Very much an old trope this one. The real cars, not those ridiculous cheap baby cars you sometimes find on US videos, are excellent quality, in some cases even better than your mid-range Benz and BMWs.

[@yulusleonard985]

Just be aware channel like China Observer/Insider are funded by Falun Gong so they really have axe too grind. I live in Indonesia and soo far have no problem with their cars, although only limited to state sponsored brands like SAIC and CHERY.

[@spcneary]

Americans know Chinese products are rarely of high quality. I would have to see journalists that I trust driving production Chinese EVs on American roads and comparing them back to back with EVs we know before I would even give a Chinese EV a second look.

[@Indypacecar82]

The Chinese built Lincoln Nautilus has the highest build quality by Lincoln this century. Everyone at our Lincoln dealership is in agreement on that.

[@sirenbrian]

That was only true when they started making cars. They learned (or copied if you like) from European and American makers how to build them right. Tesla's Chinese cars are as good as the Euro/US builds, Polestars sold in the US are built in China...look at this review by Autoline of the $10k BYD Seagull. It's fine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vZlYJjr8mfgck There are other reason to not buy a Chinese built EV, but build quality isn't one of them.

[@bullshitbingo2259]

Lol Americans talking about quality...Chinese EV technology is the best of the industry, over 75% of all EV battery cells are chinese and nobody complains here. Car manufacturing has become pretty easy nowadays and everyone offers decent quality

[@DatLilAsian]

So would it be more true to say, the Mazda and Honda and Tesla and Lincoln built in China are fine but a Chinese company building cars is not fine? I’ve heard a lot of bad things about Chinese brand Chinese made cars. While nothing about Chinese built none Chinese brand cars.

[@spcneary]

@@bullshitbingo2259 I have dealt with Chinese parts, motorcycles, batteries, and general products. Never been overly impressed with a Chinese product. When foreign companies design and QA things and the Chinese build them sometimes a very good product can be made.