The Most Important Stat Benchmark in Pokemon

[@powerbolt2846]

we're living in an age where 100 speed is the bare minimum to not be considered slow

[@blu6295]

youd be surprised by the amount of pokemon that get outsped at minus one by a max speed ev Nidoking, and still gets outsped by a max speed haxorus. like, a max speed garchomp is outsped by max spatk, almost max speed nidoking, and thats almost a twenty point difference in base points. the max speed 252 ev nidoking can outrun this way is 134 base speed with maximum investment. and that number of course only goes up, when giving nidoking the nature boost, so even base 85 is still quite speedy.

[@sohan2362]

@blu6295 so your logic is nidoking is fast because you made everything else slow. sure thing buddy.

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

​@@sohan2362 ...Never heard of Sticky Webs/Icy Wind?

[@emperortoho]

welcome back, gen 1 ou

[@theshatteredseas]

​@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutionswebs hyperoffence nidoking 💀

[@shushanthswinderballs1122]

95-99 vs 100 speed is literally the equivalent of 5’11 vs 6 ft for Pokemon.

[@nickminaj99]

So real 🤣

[@anthonyt425]

This is the perfect comparison.

[@Galiaverse]

So does being 6'1 make me Garchomp?

[@galaxyquestminute7490]

⁠@@GaliaverseGarchomp is 6’0.5

[@wedding2710]

literally?

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

Garchomp was partially the menace it was because it was 2 points higher than the base 100. That's how important that baseline is

[@Utopia7281]

Which is also the reason why the mega was atrocious

[@kwolf130]

And also the reason why it has been confirmed is that GF hates Flygon

[@MrCrossmoss]

​@@kwolf130Zygarde and its many forms

[@nerddwarf]

333 / Garchomp / 102 / +Spe / 252 331 / Landorus-Incarnate, Thundurus-Therian, Dedenne, Pidgeot, Sandy Shocks, Simipour, Simisage, Simisear / 101 / +Spe / 252 331 / Whimsicott/ 116 / Neutral / 252 329 /Azelf, Starmie, Raikou / 115 / Neutral / 252 328 / Blaziken (Mega), Charizard (Mega-X), Charizard (Mega-Y), Charizard, Celebi, Comfey, Entei, Fearow, Flygon, Chi-Yu, Gardevoir (Mega), Glalie (Mega), Jirachi, Kangaskhan (Mega), Linoone, Linoone-Galar, Manaphy, Medicham (Mega), Miltank, Ninetails, Palafin, Palkia, Regigigas, Salamence, Shaymin, Slaking, Staraptor, Tauros-Paldean-Aqua, Tauros-Paldean-Blaze, Tauros-Paldean-Combat, Tentacruel, Toedscruel, Typhlosion, Victini, Volcarona, Zapdos, Zapdos-Galar / 100 / +Spe / 252 326 / Genesect, Xerneas, Yveltal / 99 / +Spe / 252 324 / Hydreigon / 98 / +Spe / 252 322 / Haxorus, Lunala, Solgaleo, Urshifu / 97 / +Spe / 252 320 / Mimikyu, Togedemaru / 96 / +Spe / 252 319 / Diancie (Mega) / 110/ Neutral / 252 317 / Arcanine, Articuno-Galar, Darmanitan, Drapion, Gliscor, Indeedee-Male, Kyurem, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Obstagoon, Rayquaza, Sharpedo, Silvally, Tapu Lele, Typhlosion-Hisui, Zygarde / 95 / +Spe / 252 315 / Terrakion, Virizion, Cobalion, Keldeo / 108 / Neutral / 252 315 / Tinkaton / 94 / +Spe / 252 313 / Oricorio / 93 / +Spe / 252 311 / Garchomp (Mega) / 92 / +Spe / 252

[@88porpoise]

Yeah, that would be what "Garchomo being busted because it got the jump on the 100s with its base 102 perfectly poised to troll them" would be referring to

[@ivanbluecool]

Pokemon with one speed point more than the opponent: I'm basically light speed

[@vashthestampede4090]

The God's poweeeeeerrrr!!!

[@amberhernandez]

I remember being heartbroken when I wanted to use a scarf mon to check Koko, only to learn it was 393 at max, boosting nature, and scarf. Koko at max hits 394 ;--;) Also, I don't recall what the Pokémon was. It was probably garbage anyway lmao

[@vashthestampede4090]

@@amberhernandez

[@Shadow-zh4ih]

​@@amberhernandez do not know about garbage but it has 70 base speed

[@asierx7047]

The Greninja / Meowscarada / Iron Boulder / Weavile scale where they're all exactly 1 point apart

[@Newbmann]

Id like to give 404 HP an honorable mention.

[@mr.krustykrust]

That’s also base 100 right

[@terraSpark902]

​@@mr.krustykrust105 I think

[@thelaxfromthespace8665]

​@@mr.krustykrustyes it's base 100 with max hp EVs.

[@Newbmann]

​@@mr.krustykrust yes it is Ironic how those things work out.

[@Oscarus4250]

​@@mr.krustykrust Yes, and it creates 101 HP Substitutes whoch can withstand Lv 100 Seismic Toss/Night Shade

[@37Jhian]

Iron bundle to Koraidon and Miraidon: "One point is all I need to run circles from both of you"

[@Nick-yl4qp]

Dragon dance.

[@thescorchingpteranodon7986]

​@@Nick-yl4qp they don't have it.

[@slimestudios9748]

​@@thescorchingpteranodon7986Scale Shot (Koraidon)

[@thegloriouskingkronk8422]

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ice Iron Bundle Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Electric Miraidon: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Ice Iron Bundle in Electric Terrain: 874-1030 (345.4 - 407.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[@georgecortes3416]

"I won't let anyone destroy me!" - Iron Bundle before facing Miraidon

[@Sketch_XR]

"How TIMELESS Is Zapdos Anyways?" remake video for the best birb inbound. I can feel it.

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

Timeless for Zapdos is hella accurate. It's like it was made for competitive

[@danielmaynard239]

*BLASTOISE NEEDS ONE MORE THAN ZAPDOS*

[@CabbageMuncher13]

@@Gold_Gamer_100 OU in gen 1 and 9 somehow

[@Shgfx10]

​@CabbageMuncher13 OU in every gen except gen 5

[@studs9796]

The most pretty solid pokemon of all time

[@sai6724]

Seeing how goated Zapdos was in this video made me want a remake of "How GREAT was Zapdos ACTUALLY?"

[@Giratina575]

That would probably be at least an hour and a half long covering both of them

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

@@Giratina575Double that Zapdos is the true Smogon bird, and also VGC staple

[@D461Sage]

"How pretty solid was Zapdos ACTUALLY"

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Alternative Title: The importance of being able to outspeed Zapdos.

[@YOSSARIAN313]

In nat dex ubers even super defensive arceus ev spreads are made fast enough to outspeed yveltal at minimum. Otherwise you cant absorb the knock off and recover as easily

[@hosni4064]

As someone who loves Hydreigon dearly, that thumbnail was a real gutpuncher, but it's so funny XD.

[@Uohhhh777]

Dragon dance life orb hydreigon slaps nuts

[@Deerifius]

Hydriegon is great but it got completely boned by fairy, in singles against my boyfriend I run a pixelate, pixie plate, quick attack Sylveon and even though it's attack stat is so bad the fairy priority does way too much damage for the poor dragon boi :(

If we ever get a regional or mega Hydreigon, I hope that it gets an anti-fairy ability.

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

Here’s an idea: Vantablack: flash fire but for fairy moves and boosts dark moves

@@shirshobanerjee7751 I feel like I am missing a reference with that name.

[@Matpit18]

Now I’m just imagining an outline of Zapdos on a carnival rollercoaster sign that says “You have to be this fast to be viable”

[@gretchling5012]

while the base 100 speed tier has fallen by the wayside in gen 9, one aspect of the tier i think is interesting is its emphasis on the mid-80s base speed pokemon. gholdengo at 84, hisuian samurott and rillaboom at 85, glimmora at 86, and great tusk at 87. other pokemon that have either been banned or fallen by the wayside such as archaludon, quaquaval; rotom-appliance, and baxcalibur also hover at these numbers. particularly since a lot of these pokemon use choice scarf and/or speed boosting moves, i think it creates a lot of interesting metagame interactions. it also opens up some opportunities for pokemon with speed stats in the low base 90s to excel, such as moltres and tinkaton.

[@brandontherabboat4850]

Thundurus-T and Landorus-I with base 101 Speed: *Wiping sweat from their brow*

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

A video on damage threshoulds sounds complicated but would be pretty interesting. When a Pokémon becomes a staple in the meta, there are only three types of matchups: those who can onehit it with their daily driver, those who can onehit if they pack a silver bullet move, and those that don't

[@BlazingCyberKnight95]

In Generation 12, 150 speed stat will be considered to be average.

[@madjester9844]

Finally, Calyrex Shadow will be allowed in OU

[@thomassmith2605]

Deoxys speed will have to max invest in speed to not be outpaced by everything 💀

[@YOSSARIAN313]

​@@thomassmith2605 deoxys speed would be pu

[@galaxyquestminute7490]

Can’t wait to see Electrode and Ninjask on Trick Room teams

[@asierx7047]

This is basically how it feels rn with Boulder and Valiant outspeeding Electrode

[@andronmillerjr.9158]

How dare youtube hide this from me for 15 seconds

[@thirdegree101]

Big deal, it was hidden from me for 60 times longer.

[@sai6724]

You could say it had some... *hidden power* okay i'll see myself out now 😂

[@silvinity4939]

It didn't meet that speed threshold.

[@SteveScapesYT]

One could say of Gen 8 and 9 is that even when not present, in incredibly min-maxed power creep the impact of base 100 is felt because Pokemon have to pick a side above or below it, and their min/maxing in design revolves large around whether they sit above or below it. Example: Even though it’s only sitting slightly above 100, GF still has designed Ogerpon’s BS to look like a Mon that wants to be speedy offensive rather than a balanced Mon or tank.

[@huyphan7825]

In Pokemon the strongest numbers for speed is either 100+ or less than 30.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Now a days it’s more like 120 as the new standard

[@Vidar93]

​@@ultimaterecoil1136I was about to say the same lol. 100 nowadays is like the ideal minimum or sub 50. Being in that 70-90 range is the absolute worst..

[@themelonzone38]

Can't wait for the day that speed powercreep makes rampardos a trick room sweeper ​@@ultimaterecoil1136

[@RFDN0]

Just wait a few years and 150 will be the base minimum of a decent speed pokemon.

[@antassingh2991]

@@Vidar93 Both Great Tusk and Gholdengo are in 70-90 speed range and both of them are Top 5 in OU

[@sheldonzs]

269 special attack to 1 hit ko garchomp (4hp/0sdf) with non-stab ice beam. That bench mark is still sitting in my head decades later because Garchomp was so dominant in gen 4 before it got banned.

[@watsonwrote]

An interesting follow up would be to cover speed control in VGC. Options like Tailwind and Trick Room make the speed really dynamic and players seem to build teams that can function in and out of Trick Room. It's interesting how they do it!

[@JJBeauregard1]

The only benchmark that I could think of to maybe come a bit closer to 100 speed's prestige would be the 100 HP stat. With that you can get over 400 HP to tank up to 5 Seismic Tosses.

[@SumThingFawful]

I seethe everyday knowing Hydregion just about doesn't make the speed tier. Then theirs my boy Houndoom at 95.... sucks to suck I guess

[@fennecfoxfanatic]

this hurts so much. Justice for devil dog!

[@peacetotheworld5051]

Got here so fast I'm probably a Choice Scarf Regieleki

[@maui3893]

under tailwind

[@mattyorshin]

And three agilities

[@GhoulishCard1319]

and jolly

[@ShinyTillDawn]

even in spite of trick room

[@Bjix]

While the opponent is holding a lagging tail

[@ParTwo]

I think base 90 deserves a mention as another important benchmark, not as much in OU, but *definitely* in Ubers with how ubiquitous Groudon and Kyogre were for some time, among so many others. Box legendaries got slapped with that speed tier so often back in the day, lol.

[@ktvx.94]

RIP base 100, you will be missed

[@PinkaholicOfficial]

I think that base 1 HP is the most important stat benchmark in Pokemon because if you have less than that then you can’t be alive

[@Coolquip43]

4:29, I've been playing this game for 25 years and I don't think I've ever seen milk drink's animation until today

[@JoshTrager-j9g]

Really? How'd you get past Whitney without seeing it at least once?

[@SussyBaka-nx4ge]

​@@JoshTrager-j9gCould have played with animations off

[@randomtrainerx.3424]

Zapdos: Hold up! I need to do a base speed check before letting you in.

[@typemasters2871]

One thing about the speed stat is how it can currently be manipulated Choice Scarf for fast Pokemon who want to move first against other fast Pokemon Tailwind normally seen used for Pokemon with a speed just under the benchmark Trick room for Pokemon with less than half the benchmark Plus a number of moves to manipulate your own Pokemon or your opponent’s Pokemon Tailwind and Trickroom are seen less in singles due to a whole turn being needed to set it up I am surprised that we haven’t gotten a weaker version of Choice Specs, a Muscle Band or Wise Glasses but for Speed even if it only boosts a Pokemon’s base speed by 10%

[@skeetermania3202]

Icy Wind and ElectroWeb can also be added (though you can thank Flutter Mane and Regieleki for making them relevant).

[@typemasters2871]

@ yeah, Icy Wind and ElectroWeb being moves in the “moves that manipulate your own or your opponent’s Pokemon speed”

[@cameronmyers5716]

I keep thinking about this item, but every time I just come back with the same conclusion: it would probably make most meta games less interesting. Having to use a choice scarf to add that speed to a Pokémon means we don’t have random outspeeds that don’t have the drawback of a choice scarf, and this item would prolly be public enemy number 1

[@mpregsonic5874]

“Oh you wanna talk about base 135?” -Flutter Mane

[@axearmor214]

Didn't expect this, especially when I said a while back in the mythical vid, "100 stats across the board just isn't enough these days." Holy cow. 😳

[@armorbearer9702]

Zapdos & Volcarona: We are all that is left of a once proud order of speedsters.

[@Nullmeo]

Ngl, 92 speed for Mega Garchomp was such a stupid decision. It would’ve made sense to give it Sand Rush, but nope, because we can’t have nice things. Meanwhile Mega Salamence knows Dragon Dance, has a better ability and stat distribution, and is already able to keep pace with Pokemon like Arceus.

[@bmac4]

"Zapdos is, unsurprisingly, pretty solid. Zapdos is the most 'pretty solid' Pokemon of all time. When Zapdos comes to Scarlet and Violet, it will probably be pretty solid." - Reverend, 2022 Might as well just call it The Zapdos Theorem lol

[@avitraangelica9278]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had this come to mind. ^v^

[@justafrog3167]

Base 100 speed so important that it killed mega garchomp

[@averygamerdude7911]

Smogon: Base speed below 100? Automatic NU!

[@EggscellentTree]

Meanwhile ferrothorn with 20 speed

[@averygamerdude7911]

@EggscellentTree Exceptions exist, but are very rare.

[@EggscellentTree]

@@averygamerdude7911 Gliscor , lando-t , geat tusk , clefable , corviknight skarmory , alomomola , raging bolt , dragonite , ... You want me to continue?

[@averygamerdude7911]

@EggscellentTree Guess it isn't so coveted after all.

[@joelsmemes4140]

"Why is Base 100 Speed important?" "Zapdos, Charizard, and Mew are Base 100 Speed and top threats in multiple metagames"

[@joelsmemes4140]

ngl could probably just shorten this to just "Zapdos"

[@YOSSARIAN313]

It is basically required in high level nat dex ubers play for defensive arceus to be faster than yveltal. Otherwise you get taunted and ruined

[@FatherOfDeinos]

I swear every time I see Hydreigon in the thumbnail I just know they are going to crap on her.

[@justinnzamora5366]

For two things: a speed tier that's two points short of the benchmark and/or getting bullied by Fairies. Still my favorite Pokémon though.

[@FatherOfDeinos]

Seriously though. The fairy weakness I could work with since many fantastic Pokémon have a quad weakness like Garchomp and Ferrothorn. That speed issue though really was an intentional smack and I think dropped the attack to 100 and raising the speed to 103 would have been all she needed. Gamefreak tried to fix her with Iron Jugulis but…where is the return to sender on the future paradox pokemon that aren’t Iron Treads.

[@Nick-yl4qp]

Her? HAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA

[@FatherOfDeinos]

@ Yep. The Lotus flower design of Hydreigon’s heads has lead me to have exclusively female ones since XY

[@thegloriouskingkronk8422]

​@@Nick-yl4qp it's got a 50/50 ratio and most people refer to these 'Mons with masculine pronouns anyway. What're you suddenly taking issue with Hydreigon being referred to with femine pronouns for?

[@daltonfreeman6551]

The reason speed feels so important compared to any other single stat is because it's not affected by anything else. Attacks and defenses are all mixed together along with the power of moves that you are dishing out or trying to tank, plus various effects based on the attacker's typing, the moves typing, the defender's typing, plus a whole bunch of other math. Basically, 100+ attack doesn't mean much if your only good stab is something like flame wheel or thunder fang. Meanwhile, if you have a higher speed than your opponent, then that's all there is to it, you go first. Only exceptions are priority moves and trick room, and even then it's kind of the same principle, compare two simple numbers and that determines who goes first.

[@Exaskryz]

Surprised the entire video was about the 100 tier and not the evolution of the game beyond 100 speed; it had some mentions of how 100 speed fell behind but not how that tier was competing among itself.

[@qsdaee-m4z]

It is probably out of place but i think the how good was Hydreigon actually deserves a remake since how his story went up and down and all around especially in the recent generations

[@nocturnenugget]

Lowkey in Gen 9 I'd say the "benchmark speed" is somewhere between 110 and 120 cause Ogerpon at 110 is fast sure but not THAT fast, this certainly wasn't helped by the speed creep posed by protosynthesis mons, such as great tusk who would otherwise be a middle of the road mon in terms of speed suddenly becomes much faster

[@spritemaster8980]

Finally. The video promised all the way back in the Charizard remake!

[@blumountian]

So after all this time watching your stuff I’m just really glad that my second favorite pokemon zapdos is just that guy.

[@paleoscinkus542]

Tyranitar having 61 Speed means it can outrun base 100’s with an Adamant nature, or 115’s with Jolly at +1 Speed or with a Choice Scarf, so even being able to pass that benchmark by some other means is important too.

[@worldwithcuriosity148]

Finally the most requested video

[@xavier.mauricio]

I think the only other benchmark nearly this relevant in Pokemon history is 404 total HP for singles to get around Seismic Toss. And even that got less relevant with time.

[@benjaminshinar9509]

speed is a weird stat, it doesn't have variation like other stats. with attacking stats, there's always a range of possible outcomes. but speed is deterministic (up to speed ties), the greater speed stat moves first. I propose a motion to make speed also roll for range, which would be beneficial to slower pokemons.

[@AlfredoPuente8]

The 101 speed Pokémon be like 🤑

[@TrueReverse74]

You must be this fast to ride this ride

[@Trench_Thumb]

"Why stats... might be everything: The Shedinja Theorem"

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

No way...

[@BurnadaKnigter]

More like almost definitely everything

[@baka1fred642]

more like why typing is everything

[@BurnadaKnigter]

@@baka1fred642 Moveset and stats hold it back. Think Mawile without mega evo. Amazing type, decent ability, but horrible stats and a not too great moveset

[@RFDN0]

The better things is why stats can ruin a pokemon. The farther we go into the franchise the more often a mon needs good typing, stats, moves and abilities to be viable.

[@justinnzamora5366]

TFW your favorite Pokémon is two base points shy of the important speed bench mark. :(

[@ChinaGovernmentOfficial]

which is?

[@GhoulishCard1319]

try 40 off 😭

[@blu6295]

haxorus?

[@justinnzamora5366]

@ChinaGovernmentOfficial The other Pokémon on the thumbnail that isn't Zapdos.

[@ChinaGovernmentOfficial]

​@@justinnzamora5366 One of my favourites as well

[@soma467]

Zapdos is really the goat of Ou

[@donkarasu-9644]

Raising Pokemon in Platinum for the Frontier, and I gotta say, it does feel sweet to see your Pokemon have reached 167 number or more on its speed.

[@AvianAnimator]

Gotta be above 100 speed or tanky enough to survive things above 100 speed

[@The_DGO]

IMO, in gen 9, the new benchmark is Great Tusk. 300 speed is now the “bulky but kinda quick” benchmark. 328 (100 base) is fast enough to get by, and the rest are simply fast.

[@keksauce]

Honestly I think Oger is still not in the "simply fast" tier at base 110. I think smth like Darkrai is like the speed tier which you need in your teams at a minimum, if not just going straight to Dragapult

[@ciuppaaa]

this video is basically “how good was zapdos actually “ 😭😭

[@Mach_Knight]

base 100 speed, such is an honest speed tier lets go choice scarf

[@gudrunlourinho4688]

I am always baffled when I see how *sandy shocks* of all pokémon has over 100 speed.

[@blueorange31]

I always felt bad for the mons in the 85-70 range: not fast and not super great for Trick Room

[@ZardMasterRay64]

The Zapdos Theorem.

[@stardf29]

If we're talking about speed, I'd like to see a video on the history of paralysis in competitive Pokemon. I would say that is the most impactful status condition throughout competitive history without ever being banned . Though really, I'd like to see a video on the history of all of the major status conditions except Freeze (since that's more of a "history of the Ice-type" thing). We already have a video on Sleep, Poison is definitely also very impactful, and Burn has some interesting points in its history (coughScaldcough).

[@juanrached4523]

Zapdos being the first one and the last one makes me feel something 😢

[@beauvogames]

Can't remember if you've done this video already but I'd love to see the reverse of this: where Pokémon are so slow or slow enough that it's to their benefit - where they can benefit in Trick Room, reliably hit second on certain moves etc and also which Pokémon are just a bit too quick to be truly slow and miss out on these benefits 😊

[@lol0999]

Take a drink everytime "Base 100" is mentioned.

[@Wrulfy]

Alternate title: How FAST was Zapdos ACTUALLY?

[@gameboyn64]

Feels so weird to look at a base 100 pokemon and be like you're not slow but you're not fast... what do i do with you?

[@Nidodavis]

Thanks for reminding me to train my volcarona

[@RAWR26633]

i feel like the title of this vid should be the zapdos theorum or the zapdos benchmark

[@noahberan6498]

I wonder if Oricorio had 103 speed instead of 93 would it not be untiered for 3 of its forms? Also how GOOD was Oricorio Actually please?

[@chattychatotchannel]

Pompom oricorio is my favourite pokemon!

[@noahberan6498]

@@chattychatotchannel all of them are mine, but you can probably tell my favorite of the 4 lol. But Pom Pom is the only one that isn't untiered, being NUBL, which is pretty good in gen 9's power crept meta

[@rossthemoss6827]

I think their main problem outside of mediocre bulk for a set up sweeper is their lack of any good moves moves outside of revelation dance + flying move making them pretty predictable unless you are willing to burn Tera

[@notfabio9858]

Awesome way to start the year

[@HikuYEEEEAAAAAA]

The Zapdos Benchmark

[@dukemagus]

From 100 floor to a ceiling so high the current fastest mon alive (regieleki) can literally break trick room and go first anyway

[@benjulesrun9057]

why can I hear dugtrio laughing in the distance

[@tktyga77]

Kinda makes you wonder why Ubers had it a little lower at 90 side from most of legendaries being at said speed

[@teddyhaines6613]

Groudon and especially Kyogre are so strong that being able to outspeed them or not is very make or break. Simple as that, I think.

[@DGFTardin]

I'd say 404 HP is a close second, for those 101 subs

[@Alche_mist]

THIS! These two are pretty much the only benchmarks known by even casual Showdown players.

[@rogue_114]

LET'S GO THEY DID IT

[@blakeslone9820]

Things I learned: How long has miltank been that fuckin fast what the

[@RFDN0]

Since it was introduced in gen 2. It is one of many reasons Whitney's Milktank is seen as arguably the hardest boss pokemon on a gymleader.

[@blakeslone9820]

@RFDN0 guess I just never checked the stat line and miltank never showed up ever again for me so I never gave it the time of day. I just assumed bulky Milk drink rollout fisher was a scary thing to face early game.

[@RFDN0]

@blakeslone9820 it is more so the attract, stomp flinch plus everything else. That makes milk tank a menace. As many will say, there are options available to beat it, but it still is a hard fight going into blind as many counters have to be searched for and can still fail.

[@bluesandman7566]

@@RFDN0 Good thing in HGSS they gave her a lum berry, so you have to burn it twice to reduce her attack power AND scrappy, so ghost-types aren't safe from her stomping rage.

[@RFDN0]

@bluesandman7566 gen 2 it was only thunder wave. No abilities, either. The lum berry just everything back to par for her. Scrappy removed one of her counters entirely. I suffered in her fight for years, only beating her by over leveling. Never found the trade machop, never found heracross, wasn't allowed to play at night, so never found gasley, never got Onix or Geodude because of bias against them in gen 1. Adult me knows where all of that is now.

[@Reinoiro]

The garchomp theorem is real!!!

[@IM_7031]

This video should be renamed to "How good was Zapdos actually?"

[@persen1950]

I'd be interested in a video discussing the Pokemon that have spent the most generations in OU and how they've stayed there over the years. It'd help give an idea of how to counter power creep

[@JumboSizedRichard]

0:03 STILL waiting for “How Good Was Amoonguss Actually…”

[@gnarledcox]

You know what I think about the 100 base speed benchmark? I think when I was a 13 year old boy getting into competitive when XY released, I was very angry to learn what Gamefreak did to Genesect

[@qsdaee-m4z]

For all the hydreigonss watching us, keep remembering that you still outspeed wht the base 100 outspeeds just you're outsped by the base 100

[@shimogane2474]

There was an age, where another important speed tier began to evolve. In times where the fastest pokemon were considered to be 100+, there was room for the speedtiers of 90, 80 and 70 to be considered fast enough, things today nobody wouldn't say anymore. We have the speedtier of 100 which was defined as the upper line of the average of speed. But the Speed tier of 80, defined in DPP and BW was important too. It defined the lower line of average speed. Most wallbreakers considered speedy sit on this speed tier while the fastest bulky checks defined the 100 Speed tier. With the introduction of things like cartana and medicham mega, the 80 speed tier got blown away, losing its importance and moving the 110 speed tier into the importance it enjoys today. Things below 95 just arent fast enough and fall to UU nowadays if they dont bring immense defensive utility, or straight up broken attack.

[@terraSpark902]

Cool video but the gen 1 part was cope, just say 110 was the important benchmark in gen 1 lol. Could have gone into detail about how 110 is so important for Tauros by naming the reasons that people like to theorize about how Tauros would be much worse and how the meta would change if it WAS just 100, could have even used Dodrio as an example. Smh

[@terraSpark902]

You also could have mentioned how Gengar leverages it's speed to a similar effect as a lead, and how it's partly because Starmie and Alakazam surpass the 110 benchmark that they are often used as leads against Gengar. Instead of naming 1 interaction between Zapdos and Jynx that almost never comes into play. Gen 1 robbed again

[@LunaT-u8v]

Zapdos is pretty much the lock to win best electric type right

[@riccardocasu5576]

This actually caused Delphox to have some relevance in Regulation H of VGC. People realized that not only it works like Armarouge (STAB Expanding Force + Fire moves to shoo Pokémon like Rillaboom and Kingambit) but it also sits at 104 base speed, making it not only faster than base 95 or 100 (Annihilape, Hisuian Typhlosion, Volcarona, Charizard and the Paldean Tauros to name the relevant ones) but also faster than Garchomp.

[@nerdcorner2680]

Im so torn on how to handle speed in pokemon. The current way lends to such a focus on moves/abilities/and defense to handle speed difference, but on the other hand it does create a binary and invalidates so many pokemon just because they were 1 point slower in speed. Maybe speed being increasing likelyhood of going first with a major gap in speed becoming 100%?

[@merabledawnspark5827]

Zapdos is really a very good Pokemon OU. Managed to hold as much as possible throughout the years AND still keeps going. That’s amazing!

[@lemondemonster]

5:57 OMG I had to rewind and read it again cuz I thought it said "your MOM will be faster" 😂😂

[@lakeelmpine5351]

Runner ups are 100 HP, 150 SPA and 1 HP

[@TheAdminSlayer]

Speed has everything to do with it. You see, the speed of the defender informs the attacker how much pressure he's supposed to apply. Speed's the name of the game.

[@Jolfgard]

A subtheorem of the Deoxys theorem can't be accepted at face value until we have established that the Slowbro theorem does not actually apply.

[@chunnin33]

The way I see the gen2 zapdos situation is that the stat ratios on faster mons have them lacking the necessary att/spatt to break zapdos' bulk with their extra attack and the slower mons have just too little bulk to survive the extra attack zapdos is able to get in first. It really is the standout in that generation imo.

[@SJrad]

Alt title: How GOOD is base 100 speed ACTUALLY?

[@milesedgeworth3010]

Miltank is faster than Rayquaza

[@ChrisPTY507]

I remember back then when 70-80 was at least considered average. Now it’s borderline slow smh Power creep is getting out of hand

[@franslair2199]

It's not "borderline" slow, it's considered terrible speed

[@ChrisPTY507]

@@franslair2199 See what I mean? Power creep is getting crazy nowadays tbh...

[@pokemaster361]

The Zapdos Theorem: Why Balance is Almost Everything Even when you have Pokemon whose stats are min-maxxed, they have a habit of using the optimized BST distribution as an excuse to shore up their lesser stats. One big example is how defensive Chandelure destroyed Gen. 5 UU, Chansey/Blissey in general, and the guessing game that was Zapdos's EV build. You also have Palafin doubling down on improving its bulk instead of its offenses to get into Ubers and many a VGC mon that would make slower Pokemon faster to hit certain speed tiers or players manipulating defensive EVs and IVs just to get around Download boosts from Porygon2 or, for Singles, Genesect.

[@skeetermania3202]

Could some VGC virtuoso talk about how this speed benchmark interacts with standard speed control (Tailwind, Trick Room, etc.)?