The Most INSANE Aspect of Steph Curry's Legacy

A breakdown of the legacy of Steph Curry, and the most under-appreciated aspect of his career so far.
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[@jonnyarnett]

Is Steph the greatest Point Guard to you, and if not, what would he have to do to pass Magic??

[@nobodybelievesunderscores4122]

I say Magic's better and Steph would have to better to pass Magic. Easy Enough

[@dusty407]

Needs more accolades, especially FMVPs.

[@TheeKing7]

Curry #1

[@dravidcampbell4926]

Steph is #1

[@daryld149]

I think it’s a bit of comparing apples to oranges with this being a pass-first, facilitator vs a shoot-first scorer. Magic’s play style made him a “traditional” PG while Steph’s size is the major reason he isn’t considered a shooting guard. Magic never led the league in scoring. Steph never led in assists. It’s not a true position comparison IMHO.

[@SnarleySteve]

The best thing this did for Steph's legacy is, in the US, no matter who your team is, on this day, Steph was on your team. This allowed you to appreciate him and applaud him. He came through for your team.

[@DDT61586]

BIG FACTS!

[@skipodap1]

Steph deserves lots of credit. He's been loyal in the modern era. To me, that consistency and dedication speaks highly of who he is.

[@nomercyinc6783]

he watched kobe stay with the same team for 20 years. other superstars dont do that.

[@judyseager4450]

Xcuse me steph curry 🍛 is not in life OK murder man back years past and coach dekker Kerr 🎉ka.pai aka nei moari Ora steph curry murder man 🤣

[@gold-man9]

Fun fact, At 39 and 36, Steph and Lebron are the most profitable nba stars, whether by game ratings or jersey sales.

[@rockysalvatore435]

Fun fact, they are the most glazed guys, despite being past their primes

[@gold-man9]

@@rockysalvatore435 most entertaining

[@yoitsSmitty2004]

@@rockysalvatore435most watched* don’t be mad that you’re a TikTok kid that lacks attention from his own family😂

[@rockysalvatore435]

@@gold-man9 *most glazed. They're not entertaining wo their little superteams. You guys pretend and cope lol

[@rockysalvatore435]

@@yoitsSmitty2004 you're literally black. Try again boy

[@leoneilbacon9152]

Everything you mentioned was already accomplished by Steph even before the Olympic Games; it's just that many people only truly recognized his greatness after the Olympics since its the game where all US states watch the game without bias. As many people realized " So this is how it feels to root for Steph"

[@nomercyinc6783]

we werent rooting for any of the singular players on team usa but the entire team to win. singular players dont matter in team sports on their own

[@patrick05Morgan]

I saw someone say that curry played with “the most help of any superstar.” This is one of the dumbest takes ever. For context. Steph curry got drafted to a 29 win warriors franchise whose net worth was 315 million dollars in 2009. The influence of steph curry has propelled them to be worth 8.2 billion dollars today (making them worth more than any other nba team). Magic Johnson got drafted to a 47 win lakers team who had just made it to the second round of the playoffs and had a Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar on it. A second round playoff team got the number one pick and Magic got drafted to play with one of the top 5 greatest players ever. Kareem won the regular season mvp in Magic’s rookie year and averaged 33 points,14 rebounds, and 5 blocks in the finals that year. Magic was the third leading scorer during the regular season on a loaded team. Then, 4 years later, the lakers got to select the number one pick James worthy after WINNING 57 GAMES. They continued to dominate. So don’t tell me Steph curry playing with Klay, draymond, and Durant is too much help.

[@penkima4923]

Don't tell me KD's move to the Warriors didn't affect Steph's legacy. Magic won his first finals MVP as a rookie. Steph 5 years after his peak.

[@savonsanders8684]

@@penkima4923Don’t tell me that Magic could win without Kareem and ever showed me that he could without Kareem!! Steph is better and will be greater, when he finishes his career.

[@Brantley_ZA]

​@@penkima4923Magic played with a top 5 player in history and people want to say Magic had less help? 🤣💀... Also didn't he play with Worthy, McAdoo & Kareem?

[@CrazyxEnigma]

If we want to quibble about who had more "help" Steph got prime KD(plus Klay and Dray)for three seasons. They won two of three and would've spanked Toronto going three for three had they not gotten hit by injuries. They were the overwhelming favorites all three of those years and for good reason. Magic had prime Kareem for only a couple seasons. He won his last MVP in 1980 and began to decline not long after. By 1983 it was Magic's team and by 1986 Kareem wasn't the number two guy anymore at 39 years old. Worthy was a great, great player and underrated by today's generation but he wasn't a superstar and never made an All NBA team until they added a third team he's more comparable to Klay and Draymond than Kareem or KD. I'd say the help they had was pretty similar until KD left and injuries and age sapped Klay and Dray. Remember only two other players, Kareem and Michael Cooper, were on all five Showtime Lakers championship teams.

[@floydparr8006]

​@@savonsanders8684Magic did win game 6 of the 1980 NBA Finals without Kareem. The Lakers won the game by 16 points in a series where the first 5 games were decided by 10 points or less and the Lakers were +16 for 5 games. It is false to say that Magic couldn't have won without Kareem. Kareem couldn't win without Magic or Oscar. Here is Kareem's playoff record the 5 years between Oscar and Kareem: 1975 missed playoffs 1976 missed playoffs 1977 4 wins 7 losses 1978 1 win 2 losses 1979 3 wins 5 losses. The Lakers weren't going anywhere until they drafted Magic Johnson.

[@bartomiej9807]

I disagree with 1 thing - getting rid of Klay allows GSW to compete. Dude was phenomenal, but he suffered 2 potentially career ending injuries and become extremely unreliable. More streaky than ever. He had great games mixed with terrible ones. Unfortunately this second type occurred when it mattered more. He mentally still thinks of himself as 2018 Klay, but 2024 version is not a championship material no more. He proved this in last 2 seasons. It was hard, it was harsh, it was needed to be done. Good luck Klay in Dallas, wish you well.

[@gravelburn]

I absolutely agree. Klay had to go. He’s not worth the salary they would need to pay him. Now the Warriors have flexibility to bring in a bonafide 2nd scorer. My sense is Kuminga has until the trade deadline to show he can be that guy, and if be doesn’t, they’ll ship him off with some picks for someone legit. Draymond also needs to prove he can be reliable. When he’s on his game he’s among the best players in the NBA. So don’t close the book on the Warriors just yet.

[@larryyoung5757]

Right on! Everyone forgets how Klay was so good as a Splash Brother. Let him go and get a title with Denver.

[@markcarey67]

agreed

[@bartomiej9807]

@@larryyoung5757 I guess you meant Dallas, not Denver. And yes, Klay may still achieve much, even title. But it can happen because he changed environment and needs to adapt to new teammates, rules and strategies. If he stayed this year would be most likely similar to previous 2 from him..

[@sowishful]

AGRREED. He was a Debbie downer, and when he’s on the court, the team feels obligated to get him looks but he can’t make the shots

[@rudyardganuelas6254]

In the late 2000’s, you can get discounted seats for 7 dollars at the Oracle Arena. Lower balcony would have been 150-300 and even then, it was half empty. These days 200 gets you nosebleed seats behind a post.

[@Atm_0830]

Went to his very first game bro $10 only

[@taylorsilver2566]

End game capitalism yeet

[@jtrader3000]

What Steph just did in front of a Billion + eyes is worth 2-3 NBA championships IMO. Can you imagine if Team USA had lost? The loss in prestige and reputation, not to mention the NBA brand would be highly diminished. How much is that worth in Billions? Steph saved us from all that! A real American hero!

[@regal394]

Yep he saved the integrity of the NBA

[@poly_g6068]

They weren't going to lose. If anything, Steph's poor showings early in the olympics would have led to more quality possessions for KD and Ant. The same would have happened in the medal games.

[@regal394]

@@poly_g6068 there's a reason the ball was given to Steph, only he could do it

[@poly_g6068]

@@regal394 Yes, they had to feed him the ball a LOT.

[@HypocritesExposd]

@@poly_g6068 Steph is and was not a volume shooter. Look at his absolutely insane TS% and efficiency those last two games. Your narrative here is just plain false.

[@patrick05Morgan]

Magic got drafted to a 47 win, second round playoff team with prime Kareem on it. Kareem won mvp magic’s rookie year and led them to the finals. Then 4 years later they got to draft number one and got James worthy after winning 57 games during the season. This would basically be like Steph curry being drafted to the Cavaliers with Lebron in 2009 and then 3 years later the Cavs being a top seed and yet still drafting Anthony Davis number one. Magic had arguably the most help of any star. He never played on a less than elite team until his last year in 1996, where he only started 9/32 games he played and was no longer the best player on the team at 36.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

The Lakers got the 79 pick from the New Orleans Jazz in exchange for Gail Goodrich back then FA was different and teams received compensation for losing a player. The 82 pick was thanks to the infamous Ted Stepien, he has a rule named after him of being unable to trade successive first round picks. Sure Magic got drafted to one of the best situations a player could ever hope to be in but without him? Lakers would be lucky to win even two of the five rings they won. Kareem was at the end of his peak in 1980 and was carrying some garbage like 2005-2007 Kobe Lakers garbage in the 70s idk how they even made the WCF in 77. Let alone make nine finals berths in eleven seasons. Michael Cooper was a rookie in 79 and Jamaal Wilkes had just gotten on the team. Otherwise Kareem didn't have a whole lot of help.

[@agustindacunto4638]

@patrick05Morgan Magic had a super team but to win championships he had to beat another super teams (Sixers, Celtics, Pistons) while Curry won 2 championships in a super team with Durant where there were no other super teams those years, so It can be considered that Curry won only 2 championships being the best player on his team and having real competition. Besides the prime of Kareem was until 1981 (for example in 1982 finals Kareem scored 18 points and had 7,7 rebounds): Kareem since 1980 is not even close like Lebron since 2009

[@vladleon2307]

If Cleveland 2009 drafted Curry we would know him today as a some bum Lebron have to carry to the finals. Steph could have no any legacy. People are underestimate how hard to find own place near huge legendary shadow for a young player. Just looke at Kobe. That's a pretty hard path too.

[@split_head_776]

Magic played with a goat contender. Steph rivaled a goat contender for an era of basketball. Kareem and Jordan had no rivals. Kobe and Duncan were about even.

[@iamtheonlywilly]

😮😮😮

[@Amarillo-be4xh]

I think it is very possible Curry is a better player while Magic is a better point guard.

[@AustinMulkaMusic]

That’s how I feel. Steph is a shooting guard to me.

[@dero2430]

Steph shoots better, that's it.

[@yp1c]

@@dero2430 horrible take

[@Amarillo-be4xh]

@@dero2430 No, he can shoot while he is covered by an opponent. Few can do that.

[@Amarillo-be4xh]

@@AustinMulkaMusic agreed

[@CodyMein111]

Man It feels good now that Curry, Lebron, Durant are like fully validated as All-Time Greats imo. Thx to winning Gold! Edit: What I mean is that all 3 played together and proved that they are all time greats regardless if the team is good or not

[@kaan4943]

Bro said the GOAT himself hasn't already been validated as an all time great 💀💀💀

[@penkima4923]

KD isn't a fully validated great.

[@arkadiuszrogala1359]

Curry and Steph weren’t validated all time greats? LeBron is the GOAT and Steph changed the game. KD is the only one who has underachieved.

[@penkima4923]

@@arkadiuszrogala1359 LeBron isn't the GoaT. And Steph changing the game isn't validation.

[@woo_shynen8805]

@@kaan4943i didnt see mj's name up there

[@smooth-handle]

I thinks stephs biggest accomplishment is going from an injury riddled player early, leaving Nike, and being a smaller player Then transforming into a once in a generation player

[@penkima4923]

Steph was a generational player in college.

[@TobyKBTY]

Steph was a demon those last games. And what a treat it was to see him, KD, Bron and the rest cook the rest of the world.

[@marcobattiston1702]

No disrespect to Kobe but Steph's shots were more clutch in this gold than Kobe's in 2008.

[@dero2430]

Kobe was still a way better player than Steph ever was...

[@arizonaFIREent]

​@dero2430 nobody said that until he passed...

[@Placid_Falcon]

@@dero2430 Kobe can do more with less. Curry can do more with more. In other words, Kobe is the more versatile player but Curry is the better glass cannon.

[@antonioguglielmetti2661]

Specifically the shots maybe, but not on both ends

[@cycleoflife565]

@@Placid_FalconCurry has less size, height and athleticism than Kobe. They’re both sons of ex players.

[@split_head_776]

This Steph legacy conversation has made me realize that Magic is the most coddled great of all time. Kareem legitimately gets less credit despite winning without Magic. Those narrative machines do wonders for some of these players. Must be nice.

[@penkima4923]

If by winning you mean winning chips, then Kareem wasn't winning without Magic.

[@aob6671]

​@@penkima4923 Kareem literally won without Magic what are you talking about. Magic would notwin without Kareem.

[@penkima4923]

@@aob6671 Kareem played the entire 70's decade without Magic, but won only one chip. While Magic's career was cut short after Kareem retired.

[@floydparr8006]

@@split_head_776 The two years before Magic arrived the Lakers starting lineup was Kareem, Jamal Wilkes, a hall of famer, Adrian Dantley, a hall of famer, Lou Hudson, a hall of famer and Norm Nixon, a 2 time all star. What did Kareem do playing along side 3 other hall of famers and an all star? Lost in the first round then lost in the second round 4-1. Kareem couldn't win anything without the greatest PG of all time, Magic Johnson, or the second best PG of all time, Oscar Robertson.

[@split_head_776]

@@penkima4923 Winning is hard, idk what to tell you. Not that Magic could ever relate to that sentiment. Wilt lost a ton despite being arguably the most dominant player ever. Shaq, likewise lost a ton before he found success in LA. LeBron had to form the Heatles, then choke horribly, before finally winning. Jordan got dogwalked by the great 80's east before his team became competent. Hakeem has to wait for Jordan to semi retire. Kobe wasted his prime on a bum Lakers squad before they finally bounced back. Curry had to figure out his injuries, then wait for his team to draft solid, not great, players. Klay and Draymond are MID in terms of great dynasty players. Duncan's team was good early, but never dominant enough to stay in the finals, he only went to back to back finals once. Bird had a great team, but the east was pretty damn competitve. Magic and Russell are the only outliers here. Bill Russell clearly took advantage of it and put the league in an unbreakable chokehold, and he didnt even have a Kareem. The more I look into the context, the worse it looks for Magic. Im perplexed as to why anyone has him top 5, outside of pure winning bias. In that case, Russell is the goat and Jordan/Kareem are top 3.

[@gold-man9]

Someone said that Steph has not hit a go-ahead shot in the last 50 seconds of playoff games, his stat is incorrect. The correct stat is Steph is 0-12 in shots that take the lead in the last 50 seconds of playoff games. Steph has hit multiple lead taking and tieing shots in the last minute of playoff games.

[@gold-man9]

It also ignores free throws

[@CavsFanDallasFanSinceFebruary]

@@gold-man9 Go-ahead shots are shots that take the lead…

[@gold-man9]

@@CavsFanDallasFanSinceFebruary According to the person (Timothy) it was shots to tie as well

[@sablecal]

Sources please. Also confirm for me if LeBron is 0-7 on such shots in the Finals.

[@poly_g6068]

Just by arbitrarily changing the seconds on the game clock and shot clock, you can make any NBA legend look like a bad clutch performer.

[@mjsup1]

After watching Johnny's, I watched Uncut Hoops, and it was put into perspective, the MVP was selected before the semi finals and final games and if I didn't know better I would bet the LeBron knew that. Great video Johnny!😊

[@GMoneyXL1969]

I believe it depends on what you see as being a point guard. Magic is a distributor, which is the normal way people think what a pg is, while Curry is a pure shooting guard playing the position. Either way they are great players no matter how you look at it.

[@penkima4923]

Curry isn't a pure shooting guard.

[@zolus3569]

I feel like this is a bit of double standards. Didn’t Magic play the forward and center positionnat times? Why is he considered a pure point guard? Just because curry does not rack up assists does not mean he isn’t orchestrating the plays. Off ball play making is still play making. Non of the plays they run will work without Curry manipulating the defense with his gravity.

[@split_head_776]

West and Oscar existed before Magic, they were scoring pgs. Steph is the quintessential pg

[@markcarey67]

I've got Steph over Magic now. The Bird-Magic rivalry was kind of engineered by David Stern. No-one was asking for what Steph did. He just showed up and bent the game.

[@CoolDudeFilms74]

The intro is my favoirite intro of all KZbin!

[@RemoWilliams1227]

@@CoolDudeFilms74 The MJ turnaround is like visual crack to me, I could watch MJ make fade aways til the cows come home.

[@CoolDudeFilms74]

@@RemoWilliams1227 Hehe he used the perfect clips.

[@christianpaul-cp6746]

Very smooth intro😎

[@CoolDudeFilms74]

@@christianpaul-cp6746 true

[@davisantos2187]

I think this discussion should go back to that question everyone was asking after the 2022 title: is Stephen Curry a top-10 player all-time?

[@davisantos2187]

Because if he is creeping up on Magic, has his legacy surpassed guys generally ranked below Magic, like Tim Duncan, for example?

[@sergioa.9695]

There are 12 players for 10 spots so it's not easy to decide the 2 guys out but lately i find myself gravitating for Curry on the top 10, also because how he changed the game and how impactful was on his franchise.

[@bboywolf]

​@@davisantos2187i misread the comment BUT no he's not creeping up on magic considering he has considerably less accolades

[@rockysalvatore435]

0 defense, hospital rings, always got humiliated by LBJ, and some of his best rivals were questionable. Delly, Lonnie Walker

[@nickchatzipantelis4109]

Magic eould have stayed Tragic without Kareem

[@jdagreat4595]

See yall only see his career from a far. As a person born and raised here in Bay Area California. Im 35 years old, been warriors fan my whole life. Since curry came to bay in 2009 he has been nothing short of spectacular.

[@Drcoconut4777]

Always love watching your videos keep up the good work God bless you

[@woo_shynen8805]

I've come to the conclusion that steph is top 10. He's just a legendary player man

[@alex4833]

Excellent video, Jonny! I can definitely vouch for what you said about the Warriors. I remember the Warrirors not being a good team for a long time. I live in California, and I honestly don't recall much excitement for the Warriors until the 2010s (sans the 2007 playoff run). There were Warriors fans for sure, but I don't recall seeing nearly as many Warriors jerseys/merch or hype as I did in the last 10 years or so. Like you, I'd hate to see the last few years of Steph's career to be on a struggling team. I am a Kings fan, but still, I'd be sad to see him on a team that would make the play in tournament at best. He is incredible and I was in awe as I watched him shoot and make 3 pointer after 3 pointer in the final game of the Olympics. Of course, I prefer the Kings over the Warriors, but I think it would be cool to see another Kings-Warriors series (and generally to see Steph in the playoffs). Nice video again. Take care and have a wonderful rest of the week :)

[@HypocritesExposd]

You didn’t live in the east bay then. There was always hype around the Warriors, which explains why Oracle sold out every game in consecutive seasons even during all those losing years. Fans wore Warriors gear everywhere and Warriors gear was constantly sold out at the Warriors and NBA online stores. You just see it more now because the sheer number of fans have grown exponentially.

[@RemoWilliams1227]

Damn Johnny another one already, heck yeah man.

[@insanepolygon]

The Olympics just showed how much the NBA in general needs Steph to be in the playoffs. The Celtics Mavericks finals was the lowest in the last 3 years. Lacob and Adam Silver needs to wake the eff up, we don't have much more of this left.

[@JacobCounts-db2ie]

Thankful too have a basketball historian who makes amazing content.

[@xBlacKxScoPex]

Totally agree with u that Steph best thing about his career is his impact on the franchise I literally grew up in Oakland and seen with my own eyes how strong the fan base was after his greatness arrived I hated the bandwagon but it’s incredible to look back and see how he made them popular like literally one year there was no warriors then the next year I see my whole high school warriors fans it made me legit hate the warriors lol

[@ryangrice2430]

Never been this early before

[@AustinMulkaMusic]

Don’t get used to it

[@larryyoung5757]

First and foremost Steph is not a point guard. He can play point but normally that’s Draymond Green controlling the offense with Curry running around off ball screens. Steph is that rare talent that plays guard, sometimes shooting guard sometimes point. He is special.

[@xfacta334]

Steph hasn't ran lead Point in over 10 years. Why are ya'll still forcing this Steph/Magic thing?

[@romeda5156]

Who was the pg then? Draymon?

[@xfacta334]

@@romeda5156 Yes.

[@romeda5156]

@@xfacta334 ok explain why.

[@xfacta334]

@@romeda5156 Hop into the thread under Jonny's pinned comment. We breaking it all down in there.

[@jamesgibson538]

The final two games of the Olympics established Steph Curry as the MOST VALUABLE player: no Steph, no gold medal.

[@HypocritesExposd]

They voted for the MVP before the semis, which is really dumb, so that gave Curry no chance to win it. If they voted after the final game, I’d imagine he might’ve won it

[@UnknownTheGreatest72829]

idk bout yall, but I perfer playing against a team with 1987 magic than 2023 curry on it Edit:Jonny you should consider during a video on this topic

[@Posesso]

I really like the franchise transformation argument. It truly puts Steph next to MJ. Like, I stopped watching NBA around the Lakers-Sacramento feud, Sac 'got robbed' and anyway it represented the 'give up showtime for a stronger chance at winning' that I understand, but it is anyway a white flag, that Luka, eg, has never waived nor felt the need of. But Curry brought me back to NBA and to post things believing I know what I am talking about. The guy made me come back to my fav sport and made me feel smart just by speaking of objective stats: 'Do you know that Steph made in 2 years as many 3pts as Bird in the whole carrier?', 'what?', 'yes, breath'. Maybe you can do this, Jonny. I think the true power of greatness, is not in achieving skills, and not in pure longevity, the absolute greatness is in standing bad slumps and recovering. So many NBA prospects getting crushed into oblivion out of nowhere after a life of only outperforming everybody... and then champs, or Hardens, being utterly destroyed, 'I showed you how good basketball can be actually played, and now you are a sophomore giving me a beat down on national TV.... Do you Westbrook out of it, or do you Steph them all out of the room and make a queu of haters waiting to get back in? For example, Curry clearly overcame the valley, climbed the hill, and shone. Klay overcame the valley, came back an played better than most, and did not shine. Recovery is the true test. And I feel is mostly not physical the ultra impossible part. Durant came back like an outtter space emperor game-wise. But no winning. Jordan might seem like not attacked by the world, not slumped. But yeah, he was, he just always overcame slumps. Can you reflect all this mess in a reasonable way if luckily it clicks at least for you in a video? Sorry

[@manesmarcellon]

Curry got robbed

[@RyeAkai]

In this case, I do think the "final act" was more important than the "whole picture" for the MVP of the Olympics. This is mostly because the games before Serbia didn't really need an MVP, so to speak. I'm absolutely confident that for those games you could've replaced any player (LeBron, KD, Steph or whoever) with me and the US would've still won those games quite easily (assuming Kerr doesn't put me in the court, at least). The real test for the US Olympic basketball team was really the semi-finals and the finals. That's when they needed pretty much everything they had. Steph was not only necessary against Serbia, but the fact is that without him, the US likely gets absolutely blown out by Serbia. And against France, they absolutely needed his monstrous clutch performance to win. Nothing against South Sudan (props to Luol Deng's job there btw), Brazil or Puerto Rico, but stats against those for the US feel incredibly empty (for any player). I'm willing to bet my house that if Tatum and Hali had played all the minutes instead of LeBron and KD, result would've been mostly the same. But what Curry did when it mattered the most... now that's something that was most definitely not replaceable.

[@dloveantaeallen3430]

U cant say hes not clutch after seeing the olympics where he turned when it mattered most to win gold AND having wiggins as his 2nd best player to kill the celtics in 6...

[@penkima4923]

Steph has been clutch for the last 3 seasons, but for his 15-year career he hasn't been very clutch.

[@judyclarkson5887]

​@@penkima4923Only to narratives-fed ppl perhaps.. For us who watched his gms without bias, we always know that he's had his clutch moments and failures just like any other greats. Problem is both naysayers and haters try to portray his legacy from that 2016 finals alone. It's like me doing the same to Bron by holding him to that 2011 failure. Or Kobe when he choked a 3-1 lead against the Suns.

[@penkima4923]

@@judyclarkson5887 You're calling me as narratives-fed and biased. And you then call me, and/or maybe some strawman, both naysayers and haters. A strawman argument isn't an argument. You're only name-calling. Unlike you, at least these strawman "naysayers and haters" have one argument - the 2016 choke-job. So, your own strawman just won a debate versus your self. You don't sound very unbiased. Or somebody who should have a voice.

[@judyclarkson5887]

@@penkima4923 all that BS and you happen to validate exactly my accusation towards y'all. Pathetic tbh 😒

[@penkima4923]

@@judyclarkson5887 Y'all? Some strawmen you claim to see or hear. You were the one talking BS about me. And then calling it pathetic when I responded. You shouldn't be talking at all.

[@martyemmons1859]

I remember when Kevin Durant went from the Oklahoma City Thunder to The Warriors. The Warriors were absolutely so dominant those two years that 'everyone' wants to swept those two years 'under the rug'. Those two years were like a celestial phenomenon. Like Halley's Comet.

[@sergioa.9695]

Magic and Curry are very different so it's not an easy comparison, people who are young are gonna choose Curry for sure older guys would still prefer Magic but it's getting very close.

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

Magic has 3x FMVP’s , Curry only has 1x . 😂

[@sergioa.9695]

@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 Why you laugh? I have Magic ahead of Curry but it's getting close. Curry should have 2 FMVP by the way.

[@agustindacunto4638]

@@sergioa.9695 and Magic should have 4 FMVP because in 1988 he was much better than Worthy

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

@@sergioa.9695 I was just pointing out the fact that it isn’t as close as. Magic had 5 titles and 3 FMVP. While Steph has 4 titles and only 1 FMVP. And Steph isn’t on a contending team as of now. So how will he close the gap?

[@sergioa.9695]

@@agustindacunto4638 It's never ending if we go this route, for example if Kareem didn't get injured in 1980 he would have been finals mvp insted of Magic. You can argue that Curry gravity was more important than Durant higher scoring output. Magic is top5 all time, Curry top10ish so why you are bothered. There is a gap definitely but is closer than many thinks, that's all.

[@StephanieRenton-c6i]

After this goldmetal is Steph a top 10 player of all time now.

[@noybnoyb356]

I would not compare Steph to Magic based on the fact that Steph is more of a combo-guard where Magic is more of a point. In terms of rankings, Steph is the best combo guard of all time.

[@Brantley_ZA]

Magic isn't a pure point guard either. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@split_head_776]

West and Oscar existed before Magic, they were scoring pgs. Steph is the quintessential pg

[@sablecal]

Magic defends wings on defense. He even plays frontcourt on offense...

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@Brantley_ZA No. But he plays the point guard position better than anyone ever has.

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@sablecal But when it comes to running a team he is the best ever.

[@nogoat23]

I thought it was crazy that even on a team as stacked as USA they decided they needed to leave LeBron, leave KD so they could go double Steph. And he scored anyway.

[@HypocritesExposd]

Agreed, but also that’s just every team’s game plan against Curry. Attach yourself hip to hip when he’s off ball. Smother him when he has the ball, no matter who his teammates are. That’s why his teammates get wide open looks, because of Curry.

[@Zamppa86]

LeBron padded his stats, having the ball in his hands all the time. He is pretty much useless without it. Then Curry arrived and saved the whole team against Serbia and nailed it against France. Curry saved the USA and saved what little there is to save after the '11 finals of LeBron's legacy. LeBron got his stats and his spotlight. But he was yet again saved by another player. This time the whole literal world got to see that LeBron is not a closer and always needs saving when winning is on the line. Ray Allen saved him, Kyrie Irving saved him and now Steph Curry saved him. Without Curry LeBron would have ended up being LeBronze for the third time in his career. LeBron should be praising the ground Curry stands and walks on because Curry saved him.

[@penkima4923]

That's a hypothetical. Can be said that without LeBron, Steph wouldn't have won olympic gold.

[@sablecal]

LeBron was just a role player in a 4 point win against Serbia, meanwhile Curry had 36 and saved LeBronze. It is highly likely that LeThirdPlace would not have won that game without Steph.

[@Drcoconut4777]

Can you do some more videos on the nuggets especially the 80 and 90 nuggets because they are criminally underrated

[@agustindacunto4638]

To me the gap between Magic and Curry isn´t closing: Magic is my goat while Curry is ten in my list. Curry won 2 championships in a super team with Durant where there were no other super teams those years, so It can be considered that Curry won only 2 championships being the best player on his team and having real competition while Magic won 4 (from 1982 onwards)

[@penkima4923]

"Curry won 2 championships in a super team with Durant where there were no other super teams those years" The Cavs were a superteam at least in 2017.

[@agustindacunto4638]

@@penkima4923 To me the Cavs was a big three, not a super teams: Lebron, Irving, Love vs Curry, Durant, Thompson, Green, Igoudala. Warriors had a lot of difference. In fact, in 2016, Warriors without Durant lost the final to the Cavs in the seventh game and with 50 seconds left with a triple that Irving was more likely to miss (on top of that, the Warriors won the series 3 to 1, that is, it is more fair to say that the Warriors lost it, not that the Cavs won it), meaning that final was very even. After that, that the Warriors hired Durant was absurd and stains Curry's legacy that he asked Durant to join the Warriors to become a champion. On the contrary, Magic in the 1980 finals when Kareem was injured raised his game to become champion and he was only 20 years old.

[@split_head_776]

Magic won with scrubs for sure... lmao

[@penkima4923]

@@agustindacunto4638 "To me the Cavs was a big three, not a super teams" They were both. Three star players forming a team via trades is the definition of a superteam.

[@agustindacunto4638]

@@split_head_776 To me the difference between Magic and Curry is that Magic played on a super team but had to compete against other super teams (Sixers, Celtics, Pistons), while Curry won 2 of his 4 titles on a super team with Durant where there was no real competition, there was no other super teams around to beat, so Curry had a lot more help than Magic. It doesn't matter how many good players each player played with. What matters is if the help that each one had from their teammates was not too much compared to the teams they had to beat.

[@joshuafish98]

While I think your point is well taken, doesn't the change in ownership and management that occurs right as Steph Curry was drafted have to be mentioned? The Warriors became a team that drafted exceedingly well and were willing to spend money and regularly exceed the salary cap. Otherwise, Steph quite possibly becomes Garnett on the Wolves or McGrady on the Magic. Steph was great, but Lacob and Myers regularly surrounded him with great talent and ideal role players.

[@realjt333]

Magic had two games where he had 24 assists and 24 points. He was also a good rebounder and pickpocket. Being able to contribute in all these areas is what makes him the greatest point guard

[@kevinhouse4376]

And Magic became a very good shooter later in his career.

[@HypocritesExposd]

They used to run Curry as the main distributor but they learned he was more effective off ball due to his gravity, therefore limiting his assist tally

[@madarauchiha2953]

I love how steph proved every neg aspekt said about him wrong. "He aint clutch" now hes the most clutch player in the league. "He needs a fmvp" now he has one. "He cant play defence" Bro bulked up to have decent defence and not be a liability anymore. What is the next things haters gonna say about this man? Bet if he hears about it, hell prove yall wrong again

[@kirkiedakingpin]

Magic is number 1z Steph is 2z no knock on Steph. Magic has more accolades and hardware in a shorter time

[@insertnamehere2746]

Except he did it with Kareem and James Worthy so he had far more help

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@insertnamehere2746 Kareem and Worthy played for the Lakers without Magic. Kareem before Magic. Worthy after Magic. Neither won jack sh*t without him.

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

Magic Played worst competition while being on a superteam majority of his career and played with a player that's considered as the goat his entire career and Lakers are 20 games better Without magic all time that's how stacked they where we can't say none of the above about Steph warriors have one of the worst records in history without Steph, only MJ, Kobe and Cavs LeBron compare

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

@@insertnamehere2746 facts magic came in the league to a superteam and playing with one of the goats while Curry team was a 23 win team

[@kirkiedakingpin]

@@insertnamehere2746 Steph had Kd Klay and Draymond. Nobody wins with out help. Best 2 players to win without much help are Hakeem and Dirk

[@Jayjayxxx007]

Honestly in terms of changing the game as well as what he has done for his team. He’s basically our generations MJ. Both got drafted to terrible teams, and both changed the game in different ways. Except he had to go through bron in the finals. Imagine how much greater he would’ve been if Lebron hadn’t been in his way. Vice versa too with curry being in brons way. The goat debate could be different if they weren’t born in the same era.

[@bboywolf]

Lakers prior to Magic joining them had last won in 1972 making it back in 1973. Then Kareem joins and they don't even sniff the conference finals. Magic saved the NBA not a franchise

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Kareem had some trash teams around him in the 70s. The 77 team that somehow made the WCF the only player on that team I've ever heard of aside from Kareem is Kermit Washington and that's only because he almost killed Rudy T on the court not because he was a good player.

[@bboywolf]

@@CrazyxEnigma 1976 he had Gail Goodrich and role players. 77 the team was the #1 seed in the West... then lost to the 3 seed. 78 and 79 he had Jamaal Wilkes and Adrian Dantley. What are you talking about?

[@CrazyxEnigma]

​@@bboywolfWere you alive then? Give me some context for what these roleplayers were good at and what they provided the team. Other than Goodrich and Washington that 76 team had Stu Lantz who I know because I've heard him as the Lakers color commentator for my whole life and Pat Riley who I know for being a phenomenal coach not as a player. The 77 team had Kareem and Kermit Washington as the #2(?) who was nowhere near as good as Maurice Lucas was on that Blazers team. Never heard of anybody else. Dantley wasn't putting up big numbers on the Lakers like he did on the Jazz and had the reputation of being a guy who only cared about his numbers and never got along with anybody. Looks to me Kareem didn't have a whole lot of help but I'm down for hearing about the exploits of guys who've been unfairly forgotten by NBA history to change my mind.

[@bboywolf]

​@@CrazyxEnigma do you have to be alive then to know who gail goodrich, jamaal wilkes, and adrian dantley are? why do i need to do anything? you said no help and i listed 2 hall of famers and multiple time all-star lol in 1977 yes kareem did not have the supporting cast of the trail blazers but it wasn't like he was supposed to get swept. dantley was averaging 26 before he got traded to the lakers so he was clearly just taking less shots just like when he got traded to the pistons. Once again sure in 76 and 77 you can say the team didn't have much but in 78 he has jamaal wilkes and adrian dantley who i would put above maurice and lionel that the blazers had

[@CrazyxEnigma]

@@bboywolf No? I was genuinely curious if you had been and could enlighten me about that era and about players perhaps had been unfairly forgotten. Like I said a lot of the people on those rosters I've never heard of before.

[@rykimcruz26]

They can no longer deny the legacy of Stephen Curry, no matter what criticisms they throw, because his monument is already cemented, especially in this event where he is the main reason why the USA basketball team secured a gold medal in a crucial moment. I'm not disregarding the efforts of KD, Booker, even Ant Man, and especially King LeBron, but we must all admit that Master Chef Curry is the main reason they clinched the championship in the last minute, and that will forever be etched in basketball history worldwide.

[@Davivd2]

Greatest PG of all time is a really loaded title. There are basically 2 ways of playing the position. The traditional pass first guard. Stockton is the GOAT at that role. J Kidd; totally underrated because people never mention him int he GOAT PG conversation. Dude is second in assists all time, second in steals all time, has a ton of triple doubles, and went from being called Ason Kidd because he had no J, to an all time great 3 point shooter. The scoring point guard is the other approach to playing the position. In that capacity, Steph is the GOAT. If you want to put Magic as the over all GOAT, he's a great candidate. He fulfills both roles at the same time. But for Steph to "catch" Magic I don't think it can be done. He can't catch Stockton or Kidd either. He doesn't have the assists. I think that there needs to be a qualifier. Best pass first point of all time. Best scoring point of all time, and best all around point of all time. Also, We've seen scoring PG's come and go. We've seen pass first PG's come and go. But every time that that we see a contender for the next Magic type of PG.....they fall short. Penny could have done it, but injuries. Lebron could have done it, but moved to the SF. Ben Simmons could have done it, but.....reasons. Whatever the circumstances, the longevity of PG's that can score over 20 PPG and be top 5 in assists is something that nobody has been able to deal with since Magic came into the league......45 years ago.

[@aaronaiysen7534]

Curry a combo guard not a pure point guard like magic.

[@fortnitejake850]

Magic had Kareem tho. Give Steph Kareem and he has 7 rings by now

[@bonystickmanking1250]

2 of his rings he got playing with a top 2 player in the nba...

[@Rookie30590]

@@bonystickmanking1250 And all of Magic's rings came from playing with the greatest center of all time🤷‍♂.

[@penkima4923]

Magic played with prime Kareem for like 2 seasons.

[@floydparr8006]

@@fortnitejake850 Put Curry on those Laker teams and he has 0 Rings.

[@floydparr8006]

@@Rookie30590 Magic never played with Wilt Chamberlain. He only played against him in pick up games.

[@nvm9040]

Honestly the only thing magic has right now is probably more accolades but Steph isn’t far behind tho Steph definitely changed the game and the Warriors organization

[@cashisclay8474]

You crazy, Klay leaving is probably the best thing for the warriors to win another championship.💯😎 #Facts

[@JM00237]

Steph is a unique and great player, he's played with some stacked teams went up against stacked teams lost and won. What more is there to say? He's not the goat but he's cemented himself enough to be known amongst the best shooters and a top 20-10 guard in nba history.

[@James_utd123]

Steph the greatest point guard of all time people are finally starting to see it

[@terrellbaker1660]

No, you are. Everyone else knows better.

[@ant4613]

The fact that all the kids (disclaimer: not an old head, just think most people pushing this are like 16 years old and I'm older than that) are running with this Steph is the GOAT point guard narrative now and it's catching on is just weird. I don't genuinely believe there's a valid argument placing Steph above Magic. Like there's absolutely nothing you could say to justify that. Basketball discourse nowadays is just not fun to partake in because it's all narrative driven and nonsensical. I have nothing against Steph and think he's incredible. No one can deny that. But the obsession with everything modern being considered "the greatest of all time" just because the kids today need their best/favorite players to be called "the greatest of all time" is beyond lame, and that's what this feels like.

[@pasigiri]

2:47 but Lebron also led in turnovers if I'm not mistaken.

[@mrshanny82]

And minutes

[@sablecal]

And Steph scored twice the amount of points, compared to James, in the only close playoff rounds.

[@SteelNight7]

I don't understand why Steph is considered a point guard and not a shooting guard. Anyhow, I consider Magic the GOAT point guard. If you were starting them both on the same team you would put Magic at point and Steph at Shooting.

[@HypocritesExposd]

You look at the position they play, not the position you think they should be considered as. Think Duncan and Lebron. Duncan is more of a Center but he played PF. LeBron is more of a PG or even a PF, but he’s a small forward. They don’t play their position the traditional way, but you still have to consider it to be their position.

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

Gold Medals shouldn’t be linked. With NBA careers. KD, LBJ, and Steph didn’t even get out of the first round in the playoffs. But they team up to win gold and that suppose to cement their legacy? It’s just a cope.

[@markjackson6431]

yes gold medals should be linked 😂. it’s an individual accomplishment. like come on, horrible take.

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

@@markjackson6431 Carmelo, Malone, Barkley, Stockton all have gold Medals. But will never sniff the Goat debate. Cause they are ringless. Steph, KD , and LBJ had embarrassing NBA seasons. So they did what they do best and team up for an easy Gold. Which they are overwhelming favorites to win anyway.

[@markjackson6431]

@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 you sound bitter. it’s okay to admit that sweetie.

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

@@markjackson6431 It’s not about me . I thought this was a basket ball channel. I’m only talking basket ball. And what players do in college, and in the Olympics . Doesn’t mean anything in the league. No one say Kareem is the best cause he has 3 NCAA titles, or adds Magics NCAA title and Gold medals to say he has 7 championships.

[@markjackson6431]

@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 stop moving the goal post. you are making it about you. and yes the things you mentioned does matter. Kareem and Magic are the most winningest players ever (along with Russell and Jordan) and you mention the national titles. and in Magic case, you mention the gold medal. these things matter when you’re referring to their basketball career as a whole. this stuff matters when you’re discussing the HOF case, just because YOU DONT value it, doesn’t mean it’s not important. it’s okay to have ignorant opinions….just own it.

[@albertoascari9390]

Magic was drafted to the Lakers champions, Steph is an average sized guy drafted to the worst team in the NBA (Cleveland browns kind of bad) yet he managed to establish a full on dinasty by changing not just the league but the WHOLE SPORT during ALLEGEDLY another guy's era. 1 Michael 2 Kobe 3 Steph. ALL TIME, ALL TIME. (Magic can have the best PG title though is irrelevant because Steph has surpassed the position)

[@markjackson6431]

Steph Curry bumped Timmy off my top 10 list.

[@bonystickmanking1250]

Lmao

[@d3adyoutubeaccount]

Hell nah

[@Ash38122]

?????

[@Brantley_ZA]

Curry top 5!

[@timothy1949]

the most insane part of steph curry's legacy is he is 0-12 in go ahead shot in the last 50 seconds of the playoffs. lebron james has a significant better percentage because currys percentage is 0%, lebron has multiple buzzer beater in the playoffs alone together with a large samples of made shots in the last 50 seconds, including jumpers , yet lebron gets all the hate and curry is the greatest shooter of all time. it might be too extreme but objectively speaking we could call curry a choker, there is no way any super star do this in the playoffs and dont get called a choker, except curry.

[@ctrlawpdelete8266]

They’ve been saying he’s not clutch where have you been ? And he still is the greatest shooter of all time unless you can name someone better

[@Reaper13-hi3yo]

Louder for the people in the back. Steph is also a one way player who has had the most help of any superstar, ever. 1 Finals MVP in 6 Finals appearances says it all.

[@NotBlackWolf]

Curry misses 12 shots over the course of his career. This guy: "What a scrub."

[@gold-man9]

@@Reaper13-hi3yoThen where are his teammate on the nba 75 list? I see Lebrons teammates, I see Jordan’s teammates, I see Magic and Kareem’s teammates but Steph only has Durant for 2 9/10 years

[@timothy1949]

​@@ctrlawpdelete8266 that is the interesting part, skillswise curry is clear the greatest ever, but yet he is not clutch. when it matters the most and you can't hit one, yet you are the greatest shooter of all time, kind of contradictory. im saying this not because i hate the men, but i just think it is unfair to other players because they got so much criticism but curry not only get away with it but is forever the best shooter of all time. greatest regular season shooter of all time, sounds strange to me. there have been many players who are amazing in the regular season, then they disappear in the playoffs, curry certainly showed up in the playoffs, until the last minute.

[@ohride]

Steph is the Anchor Being

[@joelacosta2432]

I've never seen steph put his team on his back and carry his team like magic DID in the finals when Kareem was out for the two final game in the finals. Now steph had the chance in the 2019 finals in game 6 when gsw was up and klay and Durant got injured steph couldn't deliver and Toronto got the W.

[@MaxPotentialGreatness]

2022

[@joelman1989]

Magic is in my top 3. So I can’t see anyone surpassing him in my book as goat PG. but I never thought I’d see someone get close. That’s Steph.

[@ReggieMCH]

Magic is still on Top as the best point guard

[@mikekn7033]

The Greatest, scariest and the most spectacular to watch player of all time: Stephen Curry! Nobody commands the double, triple team defense to guard him from 40, 50 feet away from the basketball regardless he has the ball or not! Opposing team’s defense is designed solely to just slow him down and they are exhausted, scared, helpless, confused when facing Curry. In the past, they could bully him. Now no more because he packed 15 more solid muscle. His handling, passing, finishing around the basket, relentless non ball movements, court vision, bb iq…. are among the best. He’s a complete package. (And he’s only 6’2”). Not only, he single-handedly change the game of bb, he enabled the Warriors to play the most beautiful yet most lethal brand of bb ever. Telling he’s only the best shooter is insulting!

[@antoniotutt4894]

Curry was the MVP.

[@hollins625]

The thing that always will separate Magic and Steph is that Magic was a star and winner from day 1. Steph needed some time and maybe we are underestimating the impact of coach Kerr? In terms of longevity Steph has a case for being one of the best guards to ever play the game, though.

[@ronniejohnson196]

Due To Steph Curry's SIZE As A Basketball Player And What He Accomplished Regardless; That Impacted The Game At Such A Phenomenal Level That He Became A Transitional Game Changer, Whose Effect Will Be Felt For Generations To Come... IOW>That's Hard To Beat By Any Measurement... Peace...

[@romeda5156]

Steph is the best pg in history, argue with a wall.

[@darlingj.canela]

Bron was consistent since minute 1 of the first exhibition game till the final game. There's question who deserves more the MVP.

[@HypocritesExposd]

Exhibition games don’t count, but yes he was the most consistent USA player

[@eegrul1]

Since his last champ personally I tend to rank him higher than Kobe, Tim, Shaq and Hakeem

[@HailKingCeezer]

At this point, i'm probably taking Curry over Magic, but i completely understand Magic is undoubtedly still the better career. Cons for Magic: -Benefitted from playing entire career with Kareem and Worthy/Lakers organization. -Benefitted from a horrible 80s Western Conference while Bird and co. in the East beat themselves to shit jus tto arrive to the Finals exhausted vs Magic and Kareem. -Despite his amazing FT% and showing he very well could be a knock down 3pt shooter with enough focus on it and even with that funky shot-it's still only as a spot up shooter and his lack of dynamic jumpshooting is hard to envision in the modern era. I still think he'd be a great fit, personally as he can play PG, SG,SF,PF and with his post and hooks could be small ball C. -Lateral foot speed a weakness for switch everything defense and defense in general, but his size advantage yields far more advantages than Curry. Cons for Curry: -Biggest knock-lack of FMVP's and only 2x MVP's. If he ties Magic with another MVP-the lack of FMVP's becomes hard to use as an argument b/c everyone believes Curry should have gotten Iggys and Kareem shuol dhave gotten Magics rookie FMVP which means they would be tied in MVP's and FMVP's if history was corrected. -Late bloomer star wise due to ankles. Stat totals suffer due to it but he's making it up by playing well into his late 30s. -Teaming up with KD despite already having a 73 win team -Losing the Finals and allowing the Cavs to come back 1-3 vs their 73 win team(Tragic Magic and Lakers losing to Rockets/or swept in Finals are far more passable failures vs losing as a 73 win team). -Despite having the ability to outdo the top dawg of the league-LeBron-he has lost to LeBron in the FInals as a favorite and lost to him as a Laker in the playoffs. Magic beat Bird more than lost to him so in essence-Curry has less time at the top spot than Magic. Curry could only really top Lebron with KD or injuries to LeBron's team. To argue for GOAT PG, you have to have best in the NBA status. Bird/Bron. Mike/Kobe. Wilt/Shaq/Russell/Kareem/Hakeem-now Jokic. Duncan. Magic. All have had argument that they were the best player in the world and not just for a fluke season or two. Is it fair Curry's rival is LeBron? No. But, was it fair for Magic to go against Bird?Wilt vs Russell? Duncan vs Kobe/ vice versa etc etc? -The style of play. Despite being the GOAT shooter, we've seen him on the biggest stage struggle to make shots and that's always been the big thing with 3's. Live and Die by the 3. Magic is far more versatile if his shot aint falling. *though prime Curry is an elite and crafty finisher* If Currys dynamic 3 pt shooting aint falling-his team can easily lose.

[@FrokuBabayy]

The only time Steph was ever arguably the best player in the league was the same season he blew a 3-1 lead in the finals with a championship roster while his legacy was saved all throughout by Klay Thompson especially against the Russ/KD led OKC in the WCF. He isn't the passer/distributor, rebounder, finisher, clutch assassin, not even the defender Magic was. Magic was a versatile rebounder at 6'9 while being a 4x assists champ, (averaged 10.9apg for career - NBA record) who led the league in stls twice ('80 and '81), and who played all 5 positions. He did this all while being a 20ppg scorer while yall wanna act like Magic didn't get buckets😂 Him winning 5 championships/3FMVPs/3MVPs (2 against a *PRIME* Michael Jordan) in just a 10yr span carrying a dynasty speaks to how much Magic contributed to winning in such a short period of time. The largest factor being he won the championship and FMVP in his 1st season dropping 45-15-7 with 3slts on 60TS% in a finals close-out game while Kareem was out with injury. More than what Steph did individually in 15 years, try again Steph doesn't even come close to touching Magic when it comes to running an offense. Magic ran actual rotations dishing inside the paint, drive to the baseline and dish to the far right wing/left wing, driving inside and kicking it out to the corner 3s, and did while being one of the flashiest passers in NBA History. And on the fastbreak he was even better. Magic did things on the regular that the opposition never saw coming. You dont average 10.9apg (NBA record) for a career as a 4x asts champ for not knowing how to run an offense. The man had eyes in the back of his head. Knew where the defense was located at all times, who was sagging off, who was playing too close, who was about to double etc. and did this all while averaging 20ppg... Steph can't do that and doesn't. Never has Steph isn't the on-court general, have the IQ, awareness, or skill to run an offense like Magic did. He doesn't even run the offense on his own team. Constantly calling for screens to shoot 30ft isn't running an offense😴

[@Ahilliard44]

i really don't understand the praise for stats in blowout wins but i guess that's just me...

[@davengeance4811]

The fact of the US 24 Olympic nTeam is that if they started younger players they would have crushed the competition, but, for some dumb reason they wanted old geezers to lead the way

[@K3andK4]

No great franchise is a solo project. Lacob and Gruber pulled a lot of good triggers, the biggest may have been Jerry West. Without him the Warrior key players may not have stayed together. Curry gets a ton of credit for being the face of the franchise, but we should also honor what Jerry West did. Curry wouldn't have won 4 chips if he went one pick earlier in the draft, but Jerry West would've still made the Warriors a much better franchise.

[@nickchatzipantelis4109]

Not sure how relevant rings are in this case because Magic had either the best or second best team for most of his career. He was drafted in a team with Kareem (who also won MVP that year). Not comparable to Steph who had only 3 years of playing with a top 5 player of his time in Durant. Yet somehow people detract from Steph and not from Magic.. weird social media LOL

[@caiofelipesilva8202]

Steph is my GOAT

[@ignitionsv7347]

I mean I do think you could argue that Magic was robbed in 1988 of FMVP by Worthy but with that same logic Magic robbed Kareem's FMVP in his rookie year because of his triple double in game 6 when Kareem got injured despite the fact Kareem was dominating in the first 5 games. Also same could be said about his 1988 Regular Season MVP which should have been Jordan's if the best player on the best team logic was not used.

[@FoSho949]

The Olympic mvp is interesting because the criteria seems to change every time its stephs turn to win any award. Mvp, finals mvp, all nba teams, and now even Olympic mvp. When Steph is better all around, “nah gotta hit the big shot”. When he hits the big shots, “nah it’s about all around game” 😅

[@nicksamp515]

Same can be said about LeBron right now. Y'all acting like it's applicable for one player. LOL

[@CrazyxEnigma]

People will be more rational about it when he's been retired for a few years and we can look at his career objectively without being so influenced by bias for or against him.

[@DScott-nk1lo]

Magic is still the best PG, but if I were assembling a best 5, I would take Curry because he is a lot better off-ball

[@terrellbaker1660]

And if Magic is on the other team, you would lose.

[@17thN.O]

I agree with you. I like and respect Steph Curry. I am not his biggest fan like most people, because of his irrational fanbase. Butnam old enough to remember the Run TMC Warriors, The Webber Warriors, The Sprewell Warriors, The "We Believe" Warriors, then Mark Jackson coming in and making them into playoff regulars and the losing and irrelevance of all those years in between. Then around 2014/15 Steve Kerr came in Steph Curry immerged and they have been the best team overall in the NBA every since. Steph Curry is the main reason while that happened. Jonny you are right, Steph Curry is to the Warriors, what Michael Jordan is to the Chicago Bulls. Both had the same impact and made their teams #1 in the NBA. Who would have ever thought the Warriors would be bigger than the Lakers and Knicks in the NBA? Not me. I remember Chris Gatling, Manute Bol, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond, Chris Webber, John Starks 2 different times, Muggsy Bogues even played for them, Tom Goggliota all them dudes. They have come a long way since all of that.

[@HypocritesExposd]

Don’t forget the J Rich Warriors (more losing years but him winning back to back dunk contests were huge highlights)

[@HypocritesExposd]

Nice of you mentioning all those OG players! Warriors basketball on Channel 6 was the best (because we rarely got nationally televised games)

[@jastheman13]

How about what Lebron did for Cleveland?

[@apexx_prime8313]

i usually would be on the side of why Bron won olympic mvp (consistently good - great throughout), but because there were so few games and when u say out loud they literally might not even medal without Steph's last 2 performances i feel like it shouldve been Steph

[@Jose-st3fq]

Lmk when magic johnson wins a ring where his best teammate was Andrew Wiggins

[@benberry792]

Thinking about what is, what could've been, and what may be... Magic could've been one of the greatest what if's as far as continuing his career thru the 90's... Steph Curry will be as serious a GOAT conversation as any.

[@penkima4923]

It's unlikely Steph will win another chip as the best player. He might not win another chip at all. So chances are he won't be in the GoaT-conversation.

[@terrellbaker1660]

No he won't. There is Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Lebron. And then there is everyone else.

[@benberry792]

Guess who just ensured Gold for Team USA... 😎

[@jasonpascual5426]

Curry is the michael jordan of the 21st century... You cant change my mind

[@gregorybrown2856]

True fact right there Curry is a Bad all the time. Let's go Warriors will Win the Championship next year 2024.

[@yahozak]

I still don't get it. Why is Steph considered a PG and not a Shooting Guard? He's not the 1 bringing up and controlling the ball to set up plays and run the offense. Why not just consider him an SG?

[@ritchierich6133]

Curry deserved the MVP but you knew it was going to go to LeBron. Curry has done more not just for the franchise he play on but the nba as a whole than LeBron has done. Curry is the greatest player of this generation

[@quanemerson1054]

Steph should have been the MVP.