The Most Powerful DUAL Mid-Drive E-bike motor on the market! Biktrix XD

[@bikeninja956]

so I worked on the original CAD concept for the XD a few years ago, including that hub design that integrates the rotor and disc brake on one side. I still have the prototype adapter here in my shop. lol. They did a really good job of fine tuning that concept, developing it further, sourcing the right parts and components and turning it into a reality! Proud to have been part of it! Go Biktrix!

[@patrickderp1044]

whats the actual motor they use

[@bikeninja956]

@@patrickderp1044 I believe it's a custom designed unit, Biktrix would know more..

[@Dstylz]

Will the battery be hidden soon?

[@quantumfx2677]

This what we need these guys are doing things better and always striving for improvements. We are still in the beginning and just imagine what the future will bring.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Ohh yeah their rear hub is so much better balanced versus other ebikes I tried.

[@jpjay1584]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace its a mid drive. why is this called rear hub? or is that their branding?

[@kerllyson2292]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace quanto é o valor

[@kerllyson2292]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace é meu amigo quanto é que tá essa bicicleta Branca aí dos pneu elétrica manda o link dela para mim por favor

[@kerllyson2292]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace boa noite meu amigo gostaria de saber quanto é essa bicicleta aí Branca aí eu gostei dela manda o link dela para mim por favor

[@theknifedude1881]

I guess it depends on if you want to pedal or not. I’ve had 3 Sondors ebikes and liked them a lot. But I got a SurRon and if you want an electric bike, and don’t want to pedal, this is the answer! I love it. I wish I had kept my Sondors FOLD-X. Small enough it’s easy to move around, 500 Watt motor, plenty of electric boost when you want it. I’m upgrading the SurRon to 72 Volt. I got the controller a few days ago and am waiting for the CHI Battery 72 Volt/38 Amp Hour Gladiator. I’m 79 years old and I wish ebikes had been available when I was a kid. I’ve had some kind of ebike for the last 25+ years. I finally had my METACYCLE delivered…and it’s the WRONG COLOR! Over 14 months late and the color is wrong. My life is pretty darn good! This is the largest problem in my life @ the present time. Merry Christmas,Happy New Year, Happy Hanukkah and any other Holiday you celebrate.

[@catsbyondrepair]

You are going to die in a couple of months you best get ready to meet the lord

[@Tygor3533]

First world problems lol

[@mksundstrom]

As overpowered and ridiculous as this seams, I'm just happy to see innovation and attempts to push the envelope.

[@buffalomind6838]

Their drive train is what mid drives need. There won’t be damaged, or even the worry of having a chain/drive get damaged putting so much force a mid drive will on a bike. I only wish there was one side instead of two you have to concern of keeping running well. Also a full suspension would be not only nice, but a must with all that power/speed.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Yes I thought the same

[@jregras]

We haven't found the hard tail configuration to hold us back whatsoever, fat tires do the trick! The second chain (power side) requires very little attention. We use motul chain lube which has a much longer lube interval compared to any bicycle chain lube, this is an advantage of using motorsport chain.

[@EnergyNewsToday]

I don’t know brother. A full suspension set up especially on a stronger carbon frame would be pretty amazing especially if this was on 27.5” or 29” wheels with 2.6” dd Maxxis tires. That would be a whole other level. Not knocking what you are doing just saying there is a whole other level you could go to that people would pay for to get this if you could master the linkage, chain and that power. Tires only have so much travel and on chatter at speed you could go down hard.

[@jregras]

@@EnergyNewsToday yea if it shakes at speed, you just hold on harder! Want fancy wheels, carbon/titanium frame, top shelf front and rear suspension, and willing to pay 20 grand? Cause almost nobody is.

[@jregras]

@@EnergyNewsToday Actually to tell you the truth, I've been biking for 20 years grew up in BC with MTBs including full suspension, I still don't really care for FS. I prefer carbon rigid forks, high-end tires, and great (rigid) frame design, including titanium frames. With the advent of 27.5" mid-fat tubeless tires, evolved fatbike frame design, heavy-duty racing carbon fatbike forks, the innovators of the world brought together what I consider the perfect everything bike. Simple and robust, low maintenance, comparatively low weight too. There is absolutely nothing calling to me from the full suspension, or even suspension fork side of things. They simply aren't necessary for a fit rider who's willing to put in the time to actually learn how to ride skillfully... The other more elementary components are more important to focus on.

[@dicky1961AD]

Ordering an XD in Spring.Can't wait...

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

same here.

[@anthonyiocca5683]

I converted my Raleigh Venture 4.0 with Bafang 750 watt mid-drive 48 volts. Upgraded double walled aluminum wheels with 14 gauge stainless steel spokes, Shimano 7 internal gears. My build is about 65lbs. I did speed tests changing out sprockets and programming smaller wheel sizes… My results was much more power consumption to roll over 30mph. My display showed over 1,000 watts going into my 750 watt motor. My comfortable speed is 22 mph in my highest gear. Going up a steep hill in first gear is about 8 mph. Mid gear 4th is 16 mph is a comfortable cadence. If the rider doesn’t down shift going up hills it will over heat to motor resulting in motor failure eventually. I have my power assist setting at 9 options. 1&2 are very weak, so I start out in #3. When I get on a stretch of road to shift into my highest gear I raise the power assist with the gears so 4th gear gets power assist #4, 5th gear gets power assist #5 and so on. I think matching the power level with the gears is practical. That puts less stress on my chain and gearbox. I need to fabricate a chain tensioner for my back axle, just like dirt bikes have. My 750 watt mid-drive can put more torque on the drive system than I can with the peddles… I try not to go above 4th gear my motor works better with me, it’s a happy medium…

[@jackoneil3933]

FUN marketing video! Loved hill climb video.

[@MashiroMartinez]

This is incredible!

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Absolutely

[@VMH721]

OH WOOOWWWWWW I WANT ONE OF THESE

[@nautika1]

Omg very nice work i love this bike

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@andrewpipitone1572]

I have been riding ebkke for 5 years been waiting for someone to come out with a well build pedal bike and stronger chain and gears / motor. ;'- )

[@worzelb1709]

Hi there. What a great bike.do u ship to the uk? I would love to buy one.

[@peteowens3033]

Wow! Nice setup. I love the separate drive chain idea. I was thinking about that just the other day. Nice to see it's been done. ;-)

[@enam100]

Is this similar to LMX 64 ebike?

[@budwhite9781]

300 NEWTON METERS OF TORQUE?? Now that is impressive!!

[@utubeape]

Outstanding. For people to ditch vehicles and move onto bikes they need power up hills with trailers hauling groceries or tools, not just speed on a flat to match city traffic. I would like to see that setup as a trike with a big box between the back wheels enough for 2 children and various things.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

very good point. I hope we see this applications soon.

[@ANONYMOUS-nx8nk]

Hey Vitali love form paramvir's channel from india💞💞

[@fredmench4552]

Here is the advantage of a mid drive bike.. Here is how we made are bike better by removing that advantage. So you you added weight to the bike and your motor is stuck in one gear ... Thas wonderful

[@johnnysteez5124]

Id like to do a head to head with my 72v BBSHD @ 70a fatbike. I've been running @ 5kw for a couple of years now and this thing is an absolute beast.

[@Bozemanjustin]

what was the quarter mile time?

[@nycbullriders2435]

Your right V! The hill climb test was failed by the rider not the bike!!

[@jregras]

Sort of yes! We had to ride up in a straight line approach, I didn't have a low enough gear on the (stock) ultra I was riding there, and it is a damn steep incline on the upper half. Basically just lost balance from too low climbing speed in a straight line.

[@jbacmafi]

Which glove recommended for cold weather and snow ride

[@jregras]

Hestra

[@diyelectricbiker9361]

i like the Madness here, however a NON Fat Bike frame would be more interesting for few peoples.

[@pnutt2532]

Did I miss it or what ??? Is there a throttle as well or just pedal ??

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Has both

[@pnutt2532]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace wow !!! Right on , might b interested in this one , this will be my 3rd ebike . Thank you for the content....

[@Trox2018]

My E bike has a Bafang bbshd running 3Kw @ 72 volts with bac855 controler and single speed drive train. This Biktrix dual drive is very exciting. I wonder what it could be capable of?

[@Dana5775]

You're three thousand watts and regular midrive integration would far out perform this presentation. The question is how are your gears and chain holding up to the torque you create in low gears going upgrade?

[@johnnysteez5124]

@@Dana5775 I use an 8spd chain with my 5000w bbshd running at 72v 70a. I have never broke a chain and I ride this thing like a dirtbike, all throttle. a good chain line and proper tension you'll have zero issues. I have this setup on a fatbike and ride all year. even in the deep powder. I can climb hill most couldn't walk up and hit 40+ mph on the flats.

[@BT_life2]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@johnnysteez51245000w BBSHD? Gee I hadn’t seen them tuned that high. Which controller are you using? Did you say you’re using an 8 speed cassette? I’ve never heard of an 8 speed chain.

[@joshualapurga3431]

This probably solves all bafang issues maybe. I like how they use the thicker chain on the non drive side but I wash they put some sort of protection to keep the chain and rotor apart. But 2000w vs 1000w bafang!? Come on

[@johnnysteez5124]

My Bafang bbshd is running at 5000w with the Ludacrous V2 controller. 72v @ 70a. I've been running this setup for a few years now no issues. Absolute monster !

[@cornelius6115]

wowser's. I am looking to build a chopper trike with 1970 dodge chellenger magnum 500 rally rims. I want enough torque to get me up to speed fast and maybe able to do a burnout. what kind of battery pack would I need for this motor and 40 mile range? any help is greatly appreciated thanks....

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

It depends on so many variables

[@polize911]

Such a powerful motor with a tiny battery. They should use a 72v controller with 30amp battery.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

I think they can do that.

[@jregras]

48V 25Ah is really awesome, but 60V 20Ah is even more awesome (!)

[@Hey_You_Me]

That's badass

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Indeed

[@SvetlyootSofia]

3:30 Thank you for honest review!

[@TuffCheez]

What is the distance on these bikes?

[@3_E_E_E]

Bro Biktrix Xd And Juggernaut XD Duo are same or ?

[@spiro5327]

Can I get it with dual suspension ?

[@jregras]

Not yet, but something we'll consider. For now we already love how it rides in rough terrain with fat tires.

[@mroso1142]

More speed to root make..?

[@MRGOLD99.999]

How come you can't find this exact bike on there site

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Yes it is on the website

[@MRGOLD99.999]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace every one I was looking at was not the dual motor

[@MRGOLD99.999]

Is the a link or do I need to contact them and ask for the dual motor

[@RR-rk5gj]

What this will bring is requirements for motorcycle license and plate, insurance, motorcycle helmets... In DC the law already states that if you have a class 3 e-bike with a throttle you need all of the above.

[@jregras]

I guess that's DCs fault already isn't it? In Canada we don't care so we ride whatever kind of ebike is capable of riding everything, including winter and rural commuting. Cheers!

[@RR-rk5gj]

@@jregras You may not care but 8 of Canada's provinces do, and there are Federal regulations that all provinces and territories must follow.. Those laws limit "whatever kind of ebike" you're capable of riding whether you're aware of them or not.

[@jregras]

@@RR-rk5gj outside of metro centers like Toronto, no enforcement, so no the "provinces" typically don't care. As long as you don't ride like a jerk and endanger others you'll be fine. Don't damage trails, be responsible, courteous of others, and respectable in traffic.

[@RR-rk5gj]

@@jregras Again, there are laws on the books and they could be enforced at any time. It's great for you that they're not. The point is that e-bikes like the one in the video are very powerful, just the time of ebikes that will attract the eyes of law makers.

[@jregras]

@@RR-rk5gj it's unlikely, it honestly depends how folks behave while using them. I'm not going to be content to design 750W 32km/h bikes, we build whatever it takes to ride the unrideable. The law will evolve at its own pace.

[@Bengy22]

Was the drag race with a stock m620 or with a high power controller like the Archon x1 3500w?

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Stock

[@Bengy22]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace Dang I want to see how it compares to one of those high power m620's

[@jregras]

Archon are really disappointing in practice. On paper they should be in the ballpark to compete with XD, but in reality they actually feel gutless and struggle to hit peak wattage... Whereas the XD can output peak wattage continuously and can draw as high as 90 amps with the right battery 😉

[@HullioGQ]

Why not use just the stronger chain instead 2 chains?

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

It balances the frame and works better. Having to much strain on one side will bend the frame.

[@jregras]

Also, we want the pedal side to use normal bike drivetrain, so you can maintain/customize as needed with off the shelf parts. This also provides redundancy, if one drivetrain fails, you still have a way to get around (or get to the bike shop!)

[@ayyongnolasco3680]

Suron meets pedal assist. Best of both worlds. Slap some dual hubs and slap some hub motor there and ???

[@georgekrpan3181]

The ancient Currie US Pro-Drive Electric Bicycle Conversion Kit was dual drive so it's nothing new. The Currie kit came with a wheel with a sprocket on the left side of the hub which was driven by an ordinary bicycle chain from the motor. Unlike the Biktrix the motor was not mounted in the mid-drive configuration. It's hard to describe how the motor of the Currie was mounted, you'll have to Google it for a pic - Currie US Pro-Drive Electric Bicycle Conversion Kit. Any any rate the Currie kit was weak but it was uber cheap, unlike the Biktrix.

[@jamisonhinton5837]

Can this motor be pushed pass 2000w? Bbshd can push 4000w

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

I think it can be...

[@jamisonhinton5837]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace I see a few new mid drive motors coming out but hardly any compare to bbshd with a high voltage kit on 72v. Or at least none I've seen

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

@jamisonhinton5837 I posted cyc x1 pro 7kw will smoke the bbshd day and night.

[@jamisonhinton5837]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace yeah about the only mid drive I've seen compete with bbshd . Soo many hub drive options just wish it was the same with mid drive

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

@@jamisonhinton5837 don't worry more coming

[@tomindia9420]

i think a bit misleading , the bafang has less wattage, if you tune them equality, the difference would be small depending on motor efficiency...

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

This is a custom set up way more advanced the standard bafang.

[@arminv8169]

Welcome to the future!

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Not really but close

[@arminv8169]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace I'm owner of a Coswheel T20. the diference is supelative. Greetings frpm Osorno, Chile

[@authentic4225]

How many km/h?

[@ayeejiff9847]

that's the first thingi noticed watching this, The chain is reinforced.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Not just the chain.

[@xpndblhero5170]

I really like this bike and I like how the mid drive is on one of those freewheel sprockets.... But like every other electric bike I'd have to ride it around for a few weeks to see if it fits my needs. I just wish they'd start adding dual hub drive motors on bikes so you can run two 5kw hubs or even bigger.... I want something that's gonna be a bit scary at full power. 😉😁

[@andymartinez1426]

Get a surron lol 😂

[@jregras]

@@andymartinez1426 Surron aren't scary. They're fairly tame actually

[@mad151maxx4]

I have one for you

[@xpndblhero5170]

I know they already have dual drive bikes that are pretty powerful like the Arial Grizzly and a few Chinese bikes (can't remember the names) but what I'm talking about is something like a Razor Mx650 w/ 96v and two QS hub motors capable of 20kw each w/ dual Kelly controllers.... It would be almost unridable at full power but it would be an amazing bike for where I live, I'm on my way to building one and right now I have it at 48v 2000w and it does 30-35 mph which isn't bad but on hills I'm doing 15-20 mph. I need alot more power so I can keep up w/ traffic then I can get it registered as a moped in my state.... Just need turn signals, headlight and brake lights and the lift kit then it'll be a monster.

[@mad151maxx4]

surrons SUCK unless your a teenager under 200lbs. Need 60V1000W2400W PEAK EACH HUB DRIVE MOTOR,DUAL SUSPENSION, DUAL BATTERRY 60V40+AHs. On ultra beast 2 style . frame

[@gra271]

What about the LMX 64 ?

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

To expensive

[@crimsonhawk467]

You need full suspension with those speeds. Very nice though!

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

no neceseraly

[@crimsonhawk467]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace if you want to save your back and knees

[@jregras]

@@crimsonhawk467 I've been riding hard tail since I was a kid in BC, I'm 38 now, still riding hard tail, and my back and knees are fine. Ride hard, ride often, and ride fat tires!

[@szakadimas2]

I am sure it was compared to equal powered g510 with exess controller at its limits. Otherwise its lambo vs kia drag race.

[@bev8200]

Make one dirt bike styled

[@andymartinez1426]

Race test hill against a surron 🥲jk how about the cyc motor gen 3 !!

[@ElmarBon]

Does it not have regen braking?

[@jregras]

Not currently being offered, due to limitations with existing compatible batteries. Stretch goal?

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

All ev's have regen

[@ElmarBon]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace how do you mean

[@evronetwork]

I wish we see a moped bike structure in an ebike. So proper confort and breaking and power, rather than front suspension at best :P All I think is potholes and bad roads and ebikes? not ideal

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

I think there is no need for moped or motorcycles to apply this design since the frame is much stronger and you can use only one chain. For smaller application there are benefits.

[@evronetwork]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace You think but reality is totally different. Stronger but no rear suspension so not much confort. Have you ever riden a moped e.g. Honda Astrea Supra? confort levels vs bicycles are like 20 times better and way much stronger. Also brakes probably would last 2-3 years(pads) while ebikes? well I do change pads around 1 time per year

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

@@evronetwork you need to scroll through my previous videos and you will find your answers.

[@evronetwork]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace no I don't, not really. I mean from the simple fact as a seat(and I do have a Cloud-9 Cruiser seat which is huge) to the suspension, to the pads life etc etc there's no comparison. I did build my first custom ebike like 11 years ago.

[@courcheval]

Pity they dont sell directly in Europe. With VAT transport and import taxes, it s the price of a motorcycle.

[@johnw65]

The Biktrix XD is impressive! But a $6,000 52V 17.5AH ebike still has a very short range...

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

I hope they make more of this model and lower the price. The tech is insanely cool and like any novelty it comes with a higher price tag until later.

[@johnw65]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace HAppy to see tech advances on drive systems. But battery technology is stilll greatly lacking. With the short ranges and long charge times, ebikes are stuck as commuters... or a fun couple of hours... We need a way better power supply! Water powered engines are cheap, powerful, clean and unfortunately killed by the oil syndicate...

[@crustytoenail1110]

@@johnw65 I think graphine batteries might be the answer we've been waiting for, just when will they come tho

[@johnw65]

@@crustytoenail1110 Sounds interesting Crusty, But the ultimate solution is Zero Point Generators. They've been reverse engineered from crashed UFO's and are used to power our space fleet. Presently, we're not allowed to have them to feed the mega trillion $ global power grid, owned by... The globalist NWO... Who are enjoying intergalactic trade at our expense. Yes, funded by black budget tax money...

[@jregras]

20Ah and 25Ah options coming

[@JessNavaG]

Wow, that is damn impressive. But really hard to justify at $6000.😬

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Yeah it's expensive but I like the advancement and progress they are pushing forward.

[@JessNavaG]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace Indeed, these are steps in the right direction. Which will hopefully lead to more options and innovations between regular bikes, motorcycles, and viable replacements for daily drivers and gas powered vehicles.🤞🏽

[@jpjay1584]

just wait until a Chinese will find rock bottom (for price) they will sell it for 2.4k (with fancy looking space bike) lol

[@jregras]

It becomes easier to justify if you ride regularly and have already spent a couple years replacing cassettes, chains, rings on other motors like the Ultra. I put nearly ten grand CAD into my Ultra bike over 8000km between upgrades and maintenance, and it is still totally outperformed by the XD. I could have invested less than that into an XD, and have a much lower "cost per km" now, and less down time.

[@JamesSmith123456789]

You can buy a bike with a 2000W motor for under $3000 just saying

[@aleksandrpruks6019]

I wish they've used belt drive for power transfer. I'd not want to maintain another metal chain

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

maybe in the future they will after seeing all these comments.

[@jregras]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace It's something we'll consider, but we really love the longevity of the 219 chain (plus, it's more versatile, doesn't require a chain-break in the frame, and can't get knocked off by getting a stick in the pulley). These are the same reasons belt drives aren't more common on motorcycles, and essentially don't exist at all on dirtbikes.

[@jamesm6701]

Good luck finding a bike shop to work on this if they didn't sell you this ebike.

[@leopaglinawsn6459]

How much in $?

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Still nobody has gotten an Ariel Rider Kepler to test out.. Pretty much a Magicycle cruiser pro but faster and with a few nicer features for less money. Still under $2,000

[@jregras]

Kepler is running 52V and a G60 geared hub pushed to 1800W peak, it wont compare or keep up at all with the XD. I'm a fan of that motor and use it in a few bikes and custom builds, but it's much less performance in comparison.

[@VovanCBR]

why would you need 40mph on a bike? till first good corner

[@jregras]

learn how to corner and you'll be golden

[@Dana5775]

While the motor to wheel delivery promises reliable engineering for a load of torque, it completely bypasses and negates the real advantage of the midrive motor concept? That is for the motor, not just the rider to take advantage of the rear wheel gears. Dividing or multiplying the gear ratio to climb steep hills or to increase top speed. Both accomplished with less hp than a hub motor. Thus, a smaller motor and battery can outperform the heavier hub and battery competitor. A better idea would be to beef up a proprietary chain and gear system to accommodate the torque of higher watt systems. Those high torque hub motors round out the drop outs despite the added axle arms. I have run 2000-watt hub motors with a heavy load of batteries and the bikes feel more like a motorcycle. Good luck peddling home without the motor. Constant tightening of the rear axle bolts and loose spokes once a week or your dropout becomes round and the axle spins winding the leads up in a mess. A powerful mid drive with a heavier chain and cassette and midrive crank transmission engineered for its own HP. Mid- drive systems are Currently looking like toys compared to what should come next.

[@guyrandom6151]

throwing coffee on the ground , you littering madman lmfao

[@bobcatt2294]

The issue - does a beefy drive and weight compliment a bike you would want to pedal? This is more like a motorcycle than a bike.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

I think pedaling is still efficient here with assist on but I need to test in order to be able to comment on that.

[@bobcatt2294]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace The dual drive is geared to efficiency of a hardy power train. This is a subtle move towards powered vehicle and less to do with pedaling. My preference in a power train is one which does not remove the efficiency of pedaling. Looking at a belt drive with a internal geared rear hub.

[@jregras]

The pedaling is still great, I've tested an XD with full 12-speed eagle drivetrain and PAS, it is really nice. We also test some with single speed, that's basically the best for off-road, since it's unlikely to ever drop the pedaling chain (and no derailleur to smash on logs/big sticks/rocks)

[@rickdeckard9810]

2:00 They filmed it to worse possible way with shitty angles and lots of cuts. It's simple you want to show the speed difference, plant the camera on a tripod and no cuts.

[@donvee2000]

If your testing motor accelerations... Why would you have them pedaling? Are the riders twins of the same weight and BMI with equal cardiovascular training. Otherwise the test was useless.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Not really

[@VMH721]

How much is this bike going for

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

6k

[@VMH721]

I saw that on the website that's a lot of money but I understand you want something good you want something powerful it's going to cost money but at 6 grand I rather buy a motorcycle

[@TheAETHER22]

Price? The equivalent of a 700cc supersport motorcycle i guess

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Complete bike is $6k

[@FattyOn2Wheels]

so yes LOL

[@buffalomind6838]

@@FattyOn2Wheels do you think it’s worth the money when you compare it to a super sport motorcycle?

[@jpjay1584]

@@buffalomind6838 not "worth" if you have a motorbike license. the options for 6k ebike compared with 1k-2k motorbike. no chance. for 2k you already get the coolest classic bikes. or modern race bikes or scramblers, or a Triumpf, BMW with boxer engine, 80s dirtbikes, street legal, can go on highway, forrest do a whole day roadtrip and gasoline gets you very far. 400km or more. 4 day road trip even so is 6k worth the money? just if you like e-bikes and have the cash.

[@buffalomind6838]

@@jpjay1584 ah thank you. Great reply. I didn’t know the prices on dirt bikes. Street legal too. That sounds awesome. 250 miles on a bike non stop is traveling a couple states easy, or a round trip with plenty to spare. Thanks!

[@kileynoble706]

CYC MOTORS CRUSHED THIS

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Speed yes torque not so much. The 5k kit is twice the power and not fair to compare.

[@justinsane7128]

How much for this Ferrari of bicycles?

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

check the link the price is always changing

[@olsonspeed]

Be careful what you wish for, super power e-bikes will bring restrictive regulation, insurance, licensing for both bike and rider.

[@umamichefd]

It'd be interesting to see it with a high power controller and high voltage pack.

[@Odan6969]

Luna ebikes used a 1500 drive years ago. And then boosted it to 2000. Grats on taking credit for a old tech ! lol

[@jregras]

Surprise: It's actually a much more powerful motor, downrated to 2000W. Unlike Luna, it won't burn up and fail on a regular basis. The XD will eat any of their products alive, with room for dessert.

[@Odan6969]

@@jregras I stand corrected.

[@richardolsen1989]

That motor is huge the opti bike is 2500 watts with 190 nm of torque is the best in the world right now for a ebike. Check the opti bike 2500 watt power storm motor how compact and round it is. Way better than anything from bafang I have seen.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Richard, 18K for a e-bike it's ridiculous! This is madness.

[@loubuontempo4964]

I enjoy your channel and i own a Bitrix Beast w/dual batteries, i wish it was faster and or reprogramable to increase its speed...but what i am curious about is the design of having the chain sproket right next to the brakes? I guess they dont recommend to lube the chain? The 2 dont mix, sorry bitrix, wtf are they thinking and Roshan/CEO @ Biktrix is an engineer by trade?????

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

It can be faster.

[@loubuontempo4964]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace the sftwr interface has been changed/restricted, so you cant optimize the setting like on a frey mid-drive, Roshan will validate it for you. I am 6'2", 200lb, fully charged batteries, flat new paved road, no wind, top speed 28mph, with my leg power, maybe 32-33mph...be safe!

[@jregras]

It is lubed chain, and it does not have any issues whatsoever with the brakes. Don't have to be an engineer to test drive thousands of kms year round to determine it's a non-issue.

[@loubuontempo4964]

@@jregras brake caliper and lubed chain? The 2 that close dont mix my friend, buy one, test it for 1k miles and let us know your outcome!

[@jregras]

@@loubuontempo4964 cool, we've ridden at lot more than that. Don't need to be an armchair engineer to figure out shit in the real world over two years of development. Cheers,

[@laurentfoisy4573]

Idea = use a Chain designed for a {Harley D.}--No a Motorcycle they should be Strong enough, They probably went to Belt Drives, So maybe Use Belt Drives, . . . "Con't"

[@daytonabeachUSA]

yeah this is the reason why e-bikes are about to be over-regulated

[@siriosstar4789]

Cool but keep that beast out of bike lanes . that's something you should be riding in the street.

[@shemgresves6712]

3000 or 5000 watt rear hub drive ebike kit only cost 500 pounds why pay thousands when ebike kits offer more power at a fraction of the cost

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

good ebike don't cost 500 pounds. A good frame alone cost over 2k.

[@katiekumcgil]

how is it a dual mid drive its only got one motor ,and the standard groupset doesnt count as a drive spec, so its telling fibs guys

[@Blakksheap]

Not true. The Sur-Ron's mid drive motor makes this thing look like a kid's toy

[@Mike-xq8bv]

Blow your mind and bank account 😂

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

How will you build a cool bike for cheap?

[@djneils100]

it's 6 grand!!! 😂

[@AAs-vb7pv]

The frame and that look cheap but still good bike s

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

That is a prototype but can be mounted on much cooler frame and look so much better.

[@Alex-uh1mj]

Its all a bit silly without a gear system.. , they need to be looking at what valeo have done with the integrated gearbox when they want to make a high end powerful motor

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

maybe that will be the next step

[@BramBiesiekierski]

Electric motors can have very linear power delivery, and can be capable of extremely high RPMs. You realy don't need a gear system for the electric motor. Human legs powering a bicycle on the other hand, have a very narrow comfortable speed range, and do require gearing to make the most of it. This bike DOES use the box 8 gearing for the conventional pedal side. The box prime 8 spd, wide range (cheap) groupset, while not fancy, will work fine. The weakest link in any mid drive pedal assist E-bike is the gearing. Traditional bike gearing cannot handle the increased power. On my Bafang ultra emtb, I destroyed a 12 spd rear cassette in 50kms, and a box prime 9spd in an about 100kms. One solution is to move to internal gear hubs, and use stronger chains, chainrings and cogs. The other solution is this one, where you separate the electric engine from the human side. Effectively using a different drive train for each. The next step up, is to just abandon using human power at all, and you have something like the sur Ron.

[@Alex-uh1mj]

@@BramBiesiekierski electric motors need to spin fast for efficiency. That's why your bafang motor has reduction gears inside. As i said. Valeo have the solution. We are putting them on our bikes.. blows everything else out of the water

[@BramBiesiekierski]

@@Alex-uh1mj ofcoarse your aren't going to run a 1:1 drive on your motor, and if you look at this setup, it looks like a relatively small front cog, with a large rear cog. So it is already geared down. But the need for a gear system to change multiple ratios is simply not needed.

[@BramBiesiekierski]

Electric cars don't use gear systems to change gears. The motors are reduction geared to the wheel, but it's always a fixed ratio.

[@GrantSR]

So... It's not ACTUALLY a dual mid-drive motor, is it??

[@carlmorgan8452]

So it's got an extra chain ⛓ to throw oil

[@jregras]

no oil is thrown

[@katiekumcgil]

ill put your bike up against one of the custom mid drives i made for a customer ,bring it on, dual stator direct drive hub motor modified into mid drive ,with rear geared hub with custom cut gears,and electronic shifter unit, it runs 2 unlocked sabvoton controllers ,with cycle analyst 3,with custom firmware .over 100 mph he pulls on it ,

[@michelleevans9869]

Wattswagon makes one close to this

[@jregras]

they do not (but they certainly make some great commuter bikes!!)

[@scb2scb2]

I am sure i won't get many upvotes but i guess its telling of the american mindset that they are 'redoing' the muscle car concept. ebikes are a great idea to improve bicycles and move around with in city centers with or without kids and cargo in a safe way. But most reviews of bikes in the usa seem to start with how much watts and/or nm it has.. The goal seems to be to evolve it as quickly as they can into a motorcycle and expect the laws (and deaths) not to follow. This is not real innovation we know how to make powerful motors its just sellers following the mindset of the old muscle car freaks. I guess ill stay with my german based bicycle that as with german cars inovate more than just how much power can we put on a frame and why. To each their own i guess but i hope for many people and cities that could use 'normal' ebikes that mimic normal bicycles and not motorcycles these are split soon into two concepts so that the laws will not kill what is good about it for so many people.

[@Timbodacious]

Cost to performance ratio is bad on this build. 5 to 6k for this and it looks like a diy build.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Look at the final product on the website looks so much better

[@CRuM770]

And where exactly would this be legal. Where I'm from you'd need a limited speed motorcycle licence, insurance, and the bike would have to be certified and licenced. I would also never buy a product where the company compares it to a product in a completely different class. It would be like Tesla comparing the Model S to a Nisan Leaf.

[@thejaebeing]

>25mph is classified as a moped in US.... Which means you need to pay to registeration fee for your "bike" and renew it ever year. On top of that, we need to wear a helper by law.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

class 3 e-bikes do not require registration in US. People ride custom ebikes with 70mph in NYC and are just fine.

[@budrekot]

Still no good when the chain snaps, ya pushing pal... I'll stick with my Hub Motor thanks.

[@raymondo162]

4:49: don't seem sensible having the rear brake disc right next to the chain. it's a meh for so many reasons..........

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

if you would be an engineer and understand how it works we would see a different comment.

[@lukasHenchman]

at this point maybe get a suron

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

that is also an option but more trouble coming from a suron

[@ToadboyVlogs]

They ignored different gearing while comparing the motors and that's just annoying.

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

I think it was a fair comparison and they mentioned why they did that.

[@ToadboyVlogs]

@@ElectricVehicleSpace timestamp?

[@jimj2683]

Nice specs, but the quality is so bad that the system will last for 2 years maximum (daily use).

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

We shall see

[@vonn1334]

lauphing knowing you got a brand new 4000w dualtron victor for only 2750 lolololololololololol