Most powerful ebike motor tested - can anyone beat it?

[@Area13ebikes]

What bike has more power than this?

[@mititeimaricei]

You've lost weight! How?

[@jonspeak2807]

Ristretto 512 with CYC mid drive??

[@DoctorDrunkhobo]

Gotrax agreed with you the R2 manual tells you how to turn up the gears they recommend 5th if I leave it in 5th starting from a stop it pops a small wheelie

[@BakedAndAwakePodcast]

@@mititeimaricei I came to the comments for this. I was astonished at our Man's appearance. Hoping he is healthy and well.

[@geraldkoth654]

Mine, 3000 watt Cyclone. But that took lots of work to make work without tearing up bicycle style parts. I have to limit torque. If I could adapt small motorcycle chain and sprockets it would be a lot better.

[@bobbybecker80]

I'd like to see a Wired 60V bike tested.

[@charleswarwick4849]

I agree with most other people that it seems perfect for typical ebike use, e.g. its better geared for hills over speed. Besides 40mph gets a bit sketchy anyway. Crazy design

[@rndorseg]

Not to open a can of worms but I believe that battery voltage and current should be included in the testing it wouldn’t be too hard to do with a DVOM and a clamp on amp meter. Much more information to calculate controller efficiency, optimal gear ratios for battery life / extended range. Anyways love the channel great content !!!!

[@Area13ebikes]

Just wait... I think some dyno upgrades will be very enlightening on top of what it can already do.

[@JahBlessd]

I recently received this same eBike and I couldn't be more pleased with its performance. Nothing climbs like it and for the price it's hard to beat. Thanks Biktrix ❤

[@JohnDoe-yoyoyo]

I agree that it's a great bike but the price is a bit steep .... starting at $6000 USD ($7250 CAD) is on the high side IMO.

[@JahBlessd]

@JohnDoe-gn5bc Hey, a car has four tires, a motor, and seats.. yet not every car is priced the same. Live within your means.. I can't afford a Lamborghini but I certainly don't tell people it costs too much. The XD has technology and parts built-in that set it apart from the rest. I saw value.. I made purchase. I've yet to find an owner of an XD who regrets their purchase! I love my eBike.

[@JohnDoe-yoyoyo]

@@JahBlessd Thaks for the reply :) I'm glad that you are enjoying your purchase. I don't disagree that the XD DUo is a great bike but at that price I would expect a torque sensor motor not a cadence sensor and something more substantial than a 17 ah battery. Plus the XD is heavy at 80+ lbs. I guarantee that my CYC X1 Pro on my specialized 29 er' will outperform the XD on every trail or in a flat out drag race and my range is twice that of the XD (I run a 72 volt, 28 Ah = 2016Wh vs. 52 volt, 17 Ah = 884 Wh) and is over $2000 cheaper. Stay safe on your speed demon.

[@JahBlessd]

@JohnDoe-gn5bc I can see you're proud of your diy upgrade kit. I had to look it up because I thought you actually had an ebike, not just a conversion kit. How do you find clearance after adding a motor beneath the frame? Is your kit the Gen 3 or are you dealing with the issues of previous models? For those who have a bike and want to get ebike features I think an aftermarket DIY kit like yours is a good option. Personally, I don't like the look and although the XD duo is a heavy bike, I wouldn't know because I own the "Eagle 2" which is 47 lbs and a bigger battery. It's not as big as yours, but I certainly would hate to look at that bag hanging from the frame like yours does. Hey, you might pass me in the short run with all that power but my bike was built specifically to handle 2300w of power thru a separate chain; yours was not and runs a HUGE risk of chewing up your gears and components. I'll stay safe on my speed demon, and I pray you do the same!

[@JohnDoe-yoyoyo]

@@JahBlessd I have the Gen 3 with a little over 700 kms (435 miles) and haven't had an issue. Clearance is exactly the same because the motor is inside the triangle. There is no bike bag, I have a hard triangle battery that is mounted to the bottle holder mounts. All wires are internally run ... Casette is a Box Two which is specifically designed for ebikes. The XD Eagle is a really nice looking bike and Bikrix is a rock solid company with great support ... you chose wisely.

[@OldSloGuy]

its hard to see here without an x-axis annotation, but it appears that max power is in the 8 to 15 mph range. For most riders, this is the maximum usability range. A trip to the store and someone is not paying attention: This is when you want to twist the throttle and feel the results. If you want to trade that for more speed, use a smaller rear sprocket. However, most of us don't haul our bikes to the track and back to the garage. Its like horses, plow or race, different needs.

[@GixrGuy]

Peace be with you! The Future of eBikes! Thank you for this🙏

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Maybe only a new Wired Freedom or Fabulous Road Warrior can match that torque and speed. But the Road Warrior has dual Hubs. Or Amp Rides 1500 watt rear hub might match it close.

[@gonerydin4225]

This would be much more interesting combined with a road test.

[@notusingmyname2634]

sadly our legal max is 500 watts and for registering homebuilt cant really be insured which is also unfortunately mandatory so theres just no legal way to do them. Kind of want to do one anyways and just jump the ditches and technically never touch the road, attach a hang glider to it as well im sure that would be much more legal

[@gonerydin4225]

@@notusingmyname2634 sucks to be you

[@mr.monitor.]

Id say the gearing is perfect. Off the line torque is important for a bike with that much weight and single speed primary drive. You don't really need to be going 40 mph on a fat bike 😳 and hill climbing would be miserable with taller gears.

[@Mash3OH3]

I agree with this. There have been close calls where cars especially tuner cars. Try to make a left turn from a 4 way stop light. Knowing I had right of way on my homemade ebike. But my take off isn't as powerful as most cars. Having higher amps and high wattage motor can significantly mitigate situations like that if I'm able to take off first before the left hand turning driver can realize what happened.

[@superglidemustang]

Don't let that doggie stand there.

[@DiogenesOfCa]

Even the dog wanted to see the dyno results.

[@fattyman9133]

I Didn't think it was a good idea to let the dog be so close to something spinning that fast.

[@kevinburke1325]

​@fattyman9133 the bike was in place and the dog was just sitting there and watching. Not dangerous at all. If the bike was moving, then I would have said something, but not with the bike literally standing there.

[@fattyman9133]

The wheel was spinning. It would take just one second for things to go south. Maybe It makes me nervous because our dogs are such numbskulls.@@kevinburke1325

[@justinborysenko3885]

Again amazed now I want to see the brand bikes and each of their performances. Upgraded controllers and batteries and what that provides as far as increases.

[@johnphillips8088]

Biktrix makes a great bike, I have one, and my favorite

[@Deerpoo22]

I have rhe Eagle 2 XD for hunting. I got the upgraded 25 AH battery and the battery life has been great so far. Id argue the point of the XD system is not the torque over its competitors. But rather the dramatically improved durability of the drivetrain. Huge motorcycle sprockets and a Go Kart chain. Its not wearing out anytime soon. Great video man

[@xtrck]

How do you like it. I put down a deposit on the new FS version and can't wait.

[@shahensayadian9253]

I build a powerful mounting e-bike using cyc X1 pro gen 3 on Trek Marlin 6, with a 52 volt battery, I can reach 45 mph, and 3500W with an X6 stock controller, torque sensor, the best app interface, cyc claim this has 200nm of torque, I'm very interested to see the fact result on the dyno for cyc X1 pro or the other two model they have. Great videos keep up the, you are original

[@boblawrence1692]

I blown away you have dyno for bikes... love it

[@rabbithomesteading3797]

Im curious how a wired would do. If display is right, says upwards of 2300 watts at times. I hope Wired sees this and lets you run one. Cool video seeing real numbers not made up stuff! TY

[@robertcornelius3514]

I think a lot of us were worried your dog was going to end up as a popped down pillow.

[@Area13ebikes]

Thankfully he's smarter than that.

[@Altema22]

Does the challenge include custom bikes? A personal friend has a Spark Cycleworks Bandit that will do a verified 91mph 😉 I think the bike that you have helped me with in the past would come pretty close to this. It now has a 96amp controller and an internally modified Bafang that peaks at 3,000 watts. I climbed a 34% toboggan run with it yesterday, and had to lean over the handlebars to keep the front wheel on the ground, lol.

[@Area13ebikes]

Aftermarket bikes are on the board too!

[@seven1three27]

Great thing about Chinese made ebikes, Affordable and allowed the general public to adopt to them and made it so popular today. These bike's prices are crazy

[@torbanpeterson368]

I wish we had a dyno like this when designing and building the bikes.

[@chimerabmx]

Nice review and tests. Our High Drive system can easily compete and likely beat the Biktrix on all metrics but our bikes are far less weight.

[@plokmko0]

Re-gear is a must !!! Putting that much power to the ground in the dirt and snow needs to be tamed

[@johngalt97]

Here's the ballpark determined for a related question examined on Endless-Sphere forum years ago. You'd need a motor/controller/battery/drivetrain that could handle 1000+ Amps, just to get 750 Watts @ 1 RPM. Most ebikes don't make full 'legal' power at take-off.

[@jonspeak2807]

More please 🙏 Thank you 😊

[@talkingebikes]

I'd like to see some tests on the touted "250W" European mid-drive motors, like Bosch etc. Some of their claims are exaggerated.

[@ErnestMas]

I've been recently researching Ebikes and wow!

[@josephpeters2367]

Your dog seems to like the bike 😊

[@AKJJSIM]

Have you tested the Wired Freedom?

[@Area13ebikes]

I've asked...

[@waltersmithat70]

Always nice to see progress , but long way from bafang bbs02 motor.

[@mikemarion2154]

I've been thinking of getting the AREA13 freewheel tool! My wife's bike bike has a SUTTO branded 500W hub motor that has the same plug as my 750W BAFANG RM G0900.750.D/DC. But her bike's motor cable does route through the freewheel. The Area13 web page does not seem to list the clearance of the tool (how many mm is the opening/hole?)

[@Area13ebikes]

It's .800"

[@kdscrapping4452]

Nice!! I am not a fan of mid drive , but this one needs a second look!!

[@RedSinter]

🎉 Excellent...and a great way to grow your business. My last employer had a Test Kitchen that we maintained and arranged where possible for Any Mfg come in and test their formulas and refining their products. Tony even bought a Flash Freezer...Freezer for a specific customer. We had another edge as Tony and his father...sole owners between them hold 65 Patents for Large Scale Food Processing Equipment. We make or made, 99.9 percent of all crispy Taco Shells. It doesn't mater whos name is on the box the shell were from raw corn to crispy shells went through our machinery. The Taco fryer puts out 50k taco shells an hour. Of course thats just one item, one system, one basic part as a whole. We made a large potion of Potato chip cookers, roasting ovens...its a fairly big concern 3 continent's 6 Mfg Facilities, 5 divisions in the US. Plus Tony did or has for years setting up virtical integration with the purchase over the years of outside parts suppliers and their Mfg.

[@gordonv2456]

My Bafang 620 is rated at 1000W, 160NM and uses the gears on the cassette. Any comparison? I tried to find the best climber with a type 2 Ebike sticker. I imagine that 2-2/3 HP is a bit much for the tiny chains driving the typical cassette and a proper strength one would not fit the cassette. Why not put 2-2/3 HP in a hub drive if you are only using one gear and skip the expensive mid drive and extra heavy chain?. Maybe that is a big engineering problem. I would like to see road tests for climbing or see you come up with a way to add resistance to your tester to see if the torque curve will spread out under load.

[@backcountyrpilot]

I dyno’d dozens, maybe hundreds of dirt bikes on a Dynojet from 1994-2006. Installing a street tire makes an enormous improvement compared to a knobby, or even a trials tire. We ALWAYS installed a street tire. Gearing made very little difference on these 2&4 stroke engines, which have a “power band”. I assume it would matter even less on an electric motor.

[@Area13ebikes]

I think swapping them all the time would make me tired....

[@georgekrpan3181]

Love what you're doing with the dyno. I'd definitely gear the Biktrix up, but how? Is the left side chainring and cog ordinary bicycle parts? The left side chain certainly is not a bicycle chain. Is the chain pitch the same as a bicycle?

[@Area13ebikes]

I didn't check the chain specs but biktrix has the info and other gears.

[@georgekrpan3181]

@@Area13ebikes Ok, good, they offer gearing options. Cheers!

[@rantanplan7474]

slap a rear suspension on that guy and we'll be all set up!

[@tonym6633]

They just did!

[@namiix7365]

i would love to see how the ristretto 512 fairs against this, given they’re using a cyc mid drive

[@lukewalker1051]

A counterpoint or at least adjunct worth mentioning.... I have a lot of experience with BBSHD both in stock form and hotrodded. One can extract 'a lot more' power out of BBSHD by virtue of its design robustness and the different available controllers that can push more amps through it than this motor which is more an unknown to get more than 2000 watts. An unmodified BBSHD can tolerate 4000 watts with a controller change and be 'a lot' faster than this stock bike and not a lot of money with a donor bike. . For those unfamiliar, Watts = Volts X Amps. Even in stock form, A BBSHD with stock 30 amp controller will put out 1700w peak and on the right bike hit close to 40mph with adequate gearing and right rider. For those who want to turn their ebike more into a motorcycle, the BBSHD can take 50 amps because it is such an overdesigned motor with tens of thousands of miles in the field with owners that never open them up to replace parts.unlike CYC's dubious reliability record in stark contrast. Yes, some maybe surprised the Chinese are beating German engineering and well undercutting them in price. With 4000 watts, A BBSHD can do 50 mph. All you need is a good strong 72v battery with 60a BMS or so and an aftermarket controller. Nobody knows if this Bitrix motor in this video can sustain 4000 watts reliably. Heat is the enemy and armature and stator mass matter...why the CYC Photon for example can take the watts the BBSHD can...the BBSHD is a larger heat sink. For those who want the best bang for buck fast ebike, build it. Mant tutorials available on youtube helping the home builder. Best of health Kyle and great to see you making videos.

[@nc3826]

Incorrect..... You are not not quoting dyno figures are you? SMH... Have fun on your home builder soapbox....

[@kmtnbike1117]

The owner of Biktrix states that the XD motor can put out 6K watts but the programming only allows up to 2000w. I run a custom build 72V BBSHD and I can blow my buddies XD away. XD is a nice bike though I would love to see a Lightening Rods motor on the Dyno.

[@randymcpherson4619]

I would like to see what kind of readings the FLX blade 2.0 would get on your dyno test machine.

[@PCBoardRepair]

10:00 Kyle you need the battery voltage and current --power would make a good addition to your screen

[@Area13ebikes]

Agreed

[@ashegam]

Would like to see you test a bike with a cyc gen 3 pro with the x12 controller.

[@rich3317]

I bought the cyc motor. ASI 2000. I was so disappointed. I removed it. Bought a lighting rods xl motor. Was cheaper and way more powerful. I bought his single speed setup. 219 go cart chain set up. No more shifting. And it is a gorgeous design.

[@bassw1758]

Could build that for a fraction of the cost using a 415 chain, put a sprocket on the rear wheel the same way they do with the 2 Stokes,

[@Timbodacious]

powerful and fast BUT: Around $1,000 overpriced, A HARD TAIL with that much power is a dangerous butt buster, and you get the same performance with a bafang ultra combined with a 1500 watt rear hub motor on a single throttle for about $1500 less in cost.

[@rich3317]

I just finished up my lighting Rods mid drive. 12,000 watt . 126v / 400amp. It’s a hand full. Would like to share a few pictures. But don’t know how on KZbin. I do have a cargo bike I’m building now for my home in turkey. It’s a qs 205 5T hub with about 185nm. 100.8v. Battery is 5.3kwh. I’m a power junkie for sure. Not sure how to email you. But if you want more information? Let me know. Great video.

[@lufknuht5960]

I am puzzled by the statements about left & right sides having separate drives, so it seems you said, as if one side goes through the chain to derrailleur & the other direct to the rear hub somehow. I couldn't tell from the low resolution, quick look picture(s).

[@KtotheL]

I almost can't believe it's a bicycle... I still want my spaceship though.

[@00708046]

Putting a larger gear will lower your torque and increase your speed . If you put a cassette of gears you would have different choices of torque vs speed but the motor torque might break your chain or cassette . Since the drive is on opposite side from gears side , that's not an option. Taking off fast with a larger sprocket will put more stress on the chain and maybe cause it to break.

[@Iloveyounot]

I just checked the price on Google, almost $6000. It is almost the price of a motorcycle.

[@mikemathis3936]

One thing that I either missed or you didnt mention this time (which I think is important )is the nominal voltage of the battery. This ,to me,b is important relating toi top speed as well as the economics of buying batteries when comparing motors. Also I have a dumb q1uestion. I* neve3r4 run out of dumb questions. How much of the sound during the dyno run was due to the motor and how much from knobby tire?

[@Area13ebikes]

52v nominal.

[@Area13ebikes]

The dyno is fairly quiet, mostly tire and motor noise.

[@mikemathis3936]

thank you@@Area13ebikes

[@Ukiah.Spirit]

Just a little note to consider, Canadians like to be associated with beer and whisky, not maple syrup.

[@keithproctor5559]

When watching this on KZbin, your audio is really low. Was that way in the last one too

[@backcountyrpilot]

That split-roller chain looks sketchy.

[@richardhenry1969]

My question is this type of motor better or two hub motors? I’d like a bike for off-road but might need to drag some gear along. I’m a mechanic but I’ve no experience with EBikes. I just like the idea I can go places they won’t let a gas bike go. What should I look to start with a kit or something else?

[@stevenbrown5695]

Pedals as a generator Bost for over drive etc.

[@cal82252]

More power, torque and speed drains the battery faster. What kind of range will this powerful ebike get? My 300w 36v 20amper hr batt. ebike will go 105mi at 15mph, 54mi at 21mph and 35mi at 28mph (max speed).

[@RossinBC]

In your opinion, would the XD be capable of towing a 400lb trailer up long mountain pass's in Washington, Oregon and California? I think this bike can do it? I would have 2 batteries but using one at a time while the 2nd battery charges using solar.

[@darinsmith2458]

i will have to check out your other dyno tests.. i have seen a couple bikes that say that they have 120 nm of torque..

[@Area13ebikes]

That will be very hard to get at the wheel. I'm sure I'll get something but not likely anything with pedals.

[@darinsmith2458]

@@Area13ebikes I will look for your other dyno tests..

[@lufknuht5960]

I think a lot of ebikes are demonstrated on KZbin at more watts. Not that they are street legal. The Aipas A8 mid-drive eTrike is rated at 130 NM, but I suspect that mid-drive eBikes give a false NM torque, giving the torque through the lowest derailleur gear. It seems common for mid-drive eBikes to have specs with higher NM than hub motor eBikes -- I assume becs of listing the torque through the lowest gear

[@richardolsen1989]

R22 Everest edition beats this. I am glad someone besides optibike now makes their own motor!

[@Area13ebikes]

We'll see! (I hope anyway, I've asked...)

[@drewduncan3436]

@Area13ebikes, do you allow in this comment section any links that i can get permission to share here,man has built his own type of bike

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Good throttle only too.. Nice!

[@gordonv2456]

This is a moped or motorcycle. I checked the conversion of power from KW to HP and 750 KW is 1 HP. In most states in USA, the max power for a bike is 1 HP. 2000 KW is 2-2/3 HP and I'm not sure if that is beyond moped specs or not. Also, a type three bicycle can't go faster than 28mph and can't have a throttle. My 1000W Bafang mid drive got a type 2 sticker because it is limited to 20mph. CSC is where I found my bike and it was on sale for $2000 recently.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

@@gordonv2456 nobody cares what bicycles have for electric power. If it has pedals and looks like a bicycle it's no matter

[@jonspeak2807]

🎉 BRAVO BIKTRIX!! For manufacturing in North America!!😮😮🎉🎉😊

[@mikemorgan8588]

Just to be clear: torque sensors are not included in the results of motor torque. Muscle power isn’t included in these results. Many analog bike riders still confuse e bikes with regular bikes.

[@DaninVA]

Pretty insane! 😁

[@skytoll1]

Our F-TRIKE is breaking TRUCK HUBS!! The FLYWHEEL TRIKE is human powered with a 72 volt golf cart motor used to start up the driveline. The F-TRIKE has 22 inch car rims mounted on a heavy steel frame with a 2 inch tow hitch. We can pull a 4,000LB trailer. The F-TRIKE weighs about 2,000LBS empty. 💣💣💥💥

[@nealmyers2735]

Now that's a fast ebike wow

[@brentpolk8331]

I need a tut on balancing your rim with a fat tire 26"...

[@Mash3OH3]

I'm thinking designers should focus on heat dissipation than performance. Cause how you gonna be giving such power motors yet over heats and then you LOSE performance?

[@Michaelwoods-d4k]

How would you Dyno my Defender S pro from Eunorau ? It’s got all wheel drive, so do you just double the figures for a 750 w Bafang ? Thanks for the recommendation in your video for defendending Kevin’s Defender 😊 Mine loves to run on the dunes 😂

[@Area13ebikes]

Run each wheel independently and double the figures.

[@BillTheHawk]

I bought the Biktrix Juggernaut 1000 from you a year and a half ago. It is the best bike I have ever had. Now you have another Biktrix that has a more powerful motor? Can my bike be upgraded and what would the cost be? Thanks, Kyle, great video.

[@Area13ebikes]

I don't think upgraded to this motor would make sense, but upgrading to a new bike is an option. :)

[@BillTheHawk]

Well, that is not going to happen. I love my Biktrix!

[@rickespy7464]

This is amazing!

[@Lexicon_]

Should you not be using a fan to assist with the cooling during these tests?

[@Area13ebikes]

Not really needed for short runs like this. Controllers would overheat from regular use if they could do a short dyno run.

[@chrislatchem1854]

very interesting but out of my price league

[@DavidWolf-ue7ij]

The important question is: what is your dogs name?

[@Area13ebikes]

Charlie. 😀

[@rodolfobaliga7577]

That bike should be test in actual with load, that will be the accurate testing to obtain the maximum speed.

[@guyrandom6151]

80 nm seems low ? i see others rated way over 100nm i commonly see 160nm while shopping around . am I missing something ?

[@ballpoint7887]

lightningrods? modded bbshd?

[@Creeperkiller61]

Now if i can get that in 72 volt 10kw+ form and a 40 ah or better battery that i can fits in a cannondale caad

[@KurtElliott]

I've got to tell my brother about this video!!!

[@Area13ebikes]

Please do!

[@ataksnajpera]

Can you just stick to metric system? You already use kW for power so why not use Nm for torque at the same time?

[@Area13ebikes]

Because then it forces mph to kmh

[@ataksnajpera]

@@Area13ebikes km/h also belongs to metric system so it all makes sense! It is odd when americans mix units like that. Power in metric system, torque in non-metric system and so on. It does not make sense. Keep it simple and only use metric system units.

[@robertovaldes6232]

Can you test the Aniioki AQ 1777 bike

[@key39075]

Does this "mid-drive" motor use bike's gearing or it's only using its own chain and sprocket? If it's not using the gearing, probably many would prefer a hub motor.

[@Area13ebikes]

Only using its gearing not the pedal side. The advantage is center mounted weight and the ability to change gearing to suit your needs, less rotating mass too.

[@richardolsen1989]

Put a rholoff speed hub on it and now you have gears with the motor.

[@Area13ebikes]

The motor chain drives the left side sprocket and turns the wheel directly. A rohloff would still only be usable with the pedals.

[@groovr22]

Any chance you could do a dyno test on a Wired Freedom..?

[@Area13ebikes]

Tell them to send one my way.

[@sergioruas2825]

I have to say Cyclone 6000w 500 Nwt torque Another level

[@Area13ebikes]

Tell them to send me one. I've asked....

[@damaylaphoenix1155]

Frey beast , has 160 nm of torque, bafang m600 and m620 put out 160 nm of torque

[@DavidWolf-ue7ij]

I too love the not made in China motor.

[@suli_jo]

Almost every motor are made in china, this too

[@DavidWolf-ue7ij]

The Biktrix XD motor isn’t just designed in Canada, it’s built there, too. The team certainly prides itself on the local manufacturing, as Biktrix founder and CEO Roshan Thomas shared: I’m proud of my team for their steadfast efforts on bringing this project to life. We’re constantly striving to bring manufacturing back to North America.@@suli_jo

[@Area13ebikes]

No... as stated in the video this is made in Canada.

[@suli_jo]

@@Area13ebikes you said it in the first 10 seconds😅

[@ericellis4948]

How can I purchase one of these mid drive babies?😅 id like to put it on one of mine and see what she does 😊

[@nevamind932]

Awesome!

[@melvinbelcher7606]

How much does it cost

[@sudiptodas0001]

Dude has multiple PHDs in Yappanese

[@dougnash6316]

Interesting that this bike is not listed for sale in Canada and it's not legal in the US or Canada.

[@Area13ebikes]

It's on their website.

[@DonaldMays]

E-bikes are redeveloping into motorcycles in some cases, in unrelated converting a freewheel motor plate to a cassette body plate, do you have access to the plate i see alot of the middrive ebikes destroying 11/12 tooth gear. i know you can repace that gear on the freewheel but it does not solve the issue, there are more choices if you upgrade to an 8speed cassette and better quality

[@Mash3OH3]

That's a huge misconception because when it comes to electric motors. It comes down to how you design your bikes. You're literally gonna be comparing combustion engines to electric motors? But in your mind. "If it goes fast then it's a motorcycle" That's just stupid. I designed my home made bike on a bike frame that's half bmx and half mountain bike. Judging an electric bike based off speed alone is not enough anymore. Because last I checked ebike motor isn't loud and doesn't produce nearly as much emissions than even walking or ice engines. Less parts to maintain. Does bother the neighbour's. My bike can do 40mph. But it all comes down to the rider. I have throttle control. And self discipline. I don't do 40mph on public trail but if there's a bike lane on the road I'll go 40. It's a motor on a bike frame. So you have to ride it like a bike

[@DonaldMays]

@@Mash3OH3 go look at motorcycles and how they began as bikes. The first motorcycles had less hp than the bike just tested and did not go as fast. By legal definition, you are not riding a bicycle. you are riding an electric motorcycle. the police are getting educated and they will enforce the laws eventually and when they do it will be the end of the wild west for noncompliant riders.

[@Mash3OH3]

@DonaldMays How about you go look at Zooz bike 1200 vs Live wire. The live wire is a fullt fledged electric motorcycle DESIGNED with suspensions and weight like a motorcycle. That can push 100mph While the zooz bike is on 24inch tires bmx style frame that can potentially do 40mph. So how tf you gonna say they're similar dude? Open your eyes man. You can't classify one in a specific category anymore. The livewire is an electric motorcycle The zooz 1200 is an electric bike. Not the same

[@BillyMellon]

Just wow top rpm crazy

[@jonspeak2807]

ASI motor controller I’m assuming??

[@Area13ebikes]

You are correct.

[@justinsane7128]

Have you dnyo tested the Wired ebike?

[@Area13ebikes]

Nope

[@ytpremium7649]

$6,000 Nah

[@tjwa103]

Dude how did you lose all that weight...?