The Most Profound Moment in Movie History?

Special thanks to Indi, once again, for helping make this video possible.
This week I explain one of my boldest claims to date, the most profound moment in the history of cinema.
Unlike video games which have been around for less than half a century, movies and literature have challenged human thought for exponentially longer. This is why I have hesitated to make this claim in the past... until now. I have decided to analyze a movie that just may have the most profound and compelling moment in cinematic history.
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[@eli7936]

Max I don’t blame you and please don’t take this comment in a bad way, but you not showing the most profound scene fully due to demonetization is extremely ironic.

[@rodbod1564]

Hahaha

[@FlexxibleFree]

The main stab of demonetization is the video becomes invisible, shadow-banned if you will, and that's way worse than not getting money from it.

[@swmtothemoon6660]

War never changes

[@soccerandtrack10]

@@swmtothemoon6660 it can,the main idea/ideas stuff dont change. Do people even care about stopping the idea of wars?/coflict/fighting/social war aka/passive aggresiveness?

[@juricatomicic4829]

For me, there is another ironic thing about this movie. At the mention of suicide attempt on-air, I had to check if I got reference right. From wiki: "Network came only two years after the first on-screen suicide in television history, of television news reporter Christine Chubbuck in Sarasota, Florida. The anchorwoman was suffering from depression and loneliness, was often emotionally distant from her co-workers, and shot herself on camera as stunned viewers watched on July 15, 1974. Chayefsky used the idea of a live death as his film's terminating focal point, to say later in an interview, "Television will do anything for a rating... anything!" However, Dave Itzkoff's book (Mad as Hell: The Making of Network and the Fateful Vision of the Angriest Man in Movies) allows that whether Chayefsky was inspired by the Chubbuck case remains unclear, that Chayefsky's screenplay notes on the week of the live death have nothing about the incident in them, and grants it is an eerie parallel. It was to be months later that actual direct reference was made, Chayefsky writing for Beale to bray that he "will blow my brains out right on the air ... like that girl in Florida", which met with a delete. Sidney Lumet made the categorical statement that the character of Howard Beale was never based on any real-life person."

[@Bl1tzkn1ght]

As a wise man said "A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

[@anachibi]

Was just about to quote that myself haha

[@apathtrampledbydeer8446]

Another wise man said: the IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters- Terry Pratchett.

[@Bl1tzkn1ght]

@@Talitha-hv3ze I'm 21 actually. My parents just showed me MIB after I asked.

[@Bl1tzkn1ght]

@@Talitha-hv3ze Yeah! Though the 3rd movie definitely felt rushed.

[@Bl1tzkn1ght]

@@Talitha-hv3ze It's nothing good, avoid it if you can.

[@Theomite]

There's one salient piece of information that undermines this thesis (albeit unintentionally, so don't feel bad). Before Jensen and Beale sit down in the conference room, he mentions that he used to be a salesman and was rumored to be able to "sell anything" to anyone. That preface changes the entire character of the Profound Moment. Jensen's entire monologue has the quality of a religious sermon, which he even refers to as "an evangel" he has chosen Beale to preach. He starts out with scathing bombast, and then a flat, weary heart-to-heart "admission", followed by a quiet, escalating optimism into a hopeful conclusion. Combined with Jensen's tiny backstory, we see what Jensen is doing: he is "selling" Beale on his "truth" by using the same methods of influence that Beale is using, albeit more intently: Jensen probably has decades of experience exploiting the religiosity of his rural customers to convince them to buy what he's selling. The point is, just like his underlings, *Jensen doesn't actually believe in what he's preaching:* he's simply manipulating Beale to believe in it. Jensen's only real interest is in making more money and consolidating corporate control of the media, and the world beyond. His worldview's "ecumenical holding company" is a Privatized Corporatocracy, which is a long-term goal of Free-Market ideology, and the Neoliberal agenda of the Reagan Administration only 4 years later is the manifestation of it. But as we've seen with our own eyes--and probably speculated at the time--Jensen's proposal hasn't done what he proposed, only exacerbates the opposite, but the morality of that result is irrelevant because it was never the goal: only consolidation. I've never played _Metal Gear Solid 2,_ but my guess is that the villain has some sincere conviction in his position; Jensen does not. Like everything else the executive committee does in NETWORK, it's another cynical ploy to manipulate consumers into ignorantly enriching them. It's atavism, not activism.

[@MONEYMUFFINS999]

WHY SHOULDN'T HE FEEL BAD? HE PRESENTS HIMSELF AS BETTER THAN YOU, AND HE FAILED (AS USUAL).

[@Theomite]

@@MONEYMUFFINS999 Because I don't take pleasure in prurient gloating.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

_Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it. That's the Government's job._ -Dascomb, V for Vendetta

[@mateusgreenwood1096]

Ah yes, the terrible adaptation that defecates on a masterfully writen visual novel.

[@themadcat5288]

So deep, we live in a society

[@M2Mil7er]

now it's both.

[@cyborgchicken3502]

​@@themadcat5288 insert "get a load of this society" meme

[@may-kq8tj]

@@themadcat5288This down plays actual issues with society.

[@jwnj9716]

What a performance. You can't take your eyes off him.

[@akeanu1907]

Watched this movie a few weeks ago and loved it. First heard of it from an album intro sampling Howard's infamous speech. Song is The New Black by Perturbator, and damn those words are powerful

[@Veganthrasher]

Perturbator rules!

[@sporeham1674]

Perturbator is a legend!!

[@barry5462]

Maybeshewill also incorporated the speech into one of their songs kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6eln2WJmZadq5I

[@will-love-lvx]

One of my favorite songs of all time.

[@BAGG8BAGG]

jean Baudrillard was right, all things come full circle and become hyper real, what we needed were icons of change and we got the illusions of that in Obama and Trump, characters spouting change whilst keeping the same bloody wheel turning. Visionary film.

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

Right after I finished the Ergo Proxy and Planescape videos. Perfect timing. That freakout is amongst the greatest moments in cinema history, I knew it way before I saw the film, and it's relevant to this day.

[@federicocrescentini4806]

There is a scene where Faye Dunaway's character has to approve a new show for UBS, and they pitch her like 4 different shows with different settings and characters but when they read the description of the plot and characters they are the same every time. Seen today's shows and movies and you find the same, deep down they are the same dull stuff and executives are only worried on the coat they put on top to address a trending topic or use an IP that could bring more revenues.

[@matias9609]

Problem. Corporatization is going to collapse as all structures that grow too large do. And the human condition is too complex to stick in to any box. People will crack once they cant take it anynore. And things will change. For better or for worse

[@DichotomousRex]

Thus statement amounts to nothing. Of course things will change for better or for worse. That's life. The goal is to discuss how to change for better NOT worse.

[@taihounaishi7261]

He did it again! He said the word again! This time it's about movie history!

[@ImarBenIsrael]

"For the love of money is the root of all evils " And quote from the WEF Karl swab _ You'll own nothing and be happy " welcome to the age of the end times . Metal gear and network is very interesting 🤔

[@relight6931]

Yeah.. that very phrase got me on edge.. "You'll own nothing and be happy". I just couldn't believe they would have the maul to say it out loud. The biggest problem with it, that I see is it being a neo liberal wet dream. Where everything you poses, including your time and energy is your own personal currency with which you trade to continue existing. With automation on the horizon, capable of replacing much of human labour, we are at crossroads.. Either of utopia of some kind where the human spirit, ingenuity, creativeness, curiosity will flourish, or at the hell's door where are own lives will become just currency. Maybe I wouldn't be opposed to the idea if I thought that anyone with power, can be benevolent, but in the process of acquisition, one has to make so many moral compromises, that by the end, they cannot remain same naive person, even if they started their journey with good intentions.. You will own nothing - because we will own everything and as long as you do everything you are told, all your needs will be met, and I guess they think this means being happy.. It's a chilling thought.

[@veracityhiphop]

I remember parts of that speech being sampled in Immortal Technique's song "Rich Mans World". All the lyrics are written from the perspective of corrupt people in power mocking all of those underneath their thumb, great song. Can't believe album it was featured on is over a decade old now.

[@dustyblue2ify]

Reminds me to share~ John Trudell's song: Rich Man's War ~ kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2mbcpSJo6-qp6M I was grateful to attend ~his performance w/ Quilt Man at a music Venue in "The Village" in NYC, in the early 2000's.

[@sageemerald7685]

The most profound moment in movie history is the ending of Time-Bandits when the garage-sale thing blows up the boy's parents.

[@pingunooty]

So real

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

“Mum! Dad! It’s evil! Don’t touch it!”

[@AmbassadorFox]

Definitely a noteworthy moment, blew my mind. The parents just go poof... And everyone carries on with a smile 😂

[@michaellepine7981]

And Sean Connery as the firefighter just shrugs and leaves like “sorry about your dead parents, kid”

[@Ohem1]

To me "Pi" and "The Man From Earth" are few "intellectual" movies I really like and had an impact on me.

[@Tokinjester]

*Pi* ... absolute masterpiece 🤩👍

[@Tokinjester]

Hadn't heard of the Man from earth before this, I'll definitely check it out 👍

[@KungLao15155]

@@Tokinjester DONT READ ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Just watch it!

[@Sekir80]

Interesting, that just yesterday I was thinking of the latter. Great movie!

[@Tokinjester]

@@KungLao15155 👍😂 no problem I never read reviews until after I've watched a movie a couple of times and only then, if I think I've missed something or not quite grasped a concept

[@ATroubledMaker]

Perhaps it is because I have lived in a state of poverty for nearly all of my adult life that I have zero issue with the idea of giving up life comforts and securities because I have rarely had them to begin with. Maybe that is what has provoked a strong sense of individualism in my life, when there is nothing to lose it is much easier to take what many would see as a risk when all you know it to always be is reality. No set or production value will ever mask that and your thoughts can never be narrated by anyone else when so much effort is already spent on survival alone.

[@anachibi]

Same, as a disabled person who could never be a "cog in a corporate machine" even if I wanted to be, and knowing that there are others like me, a capitalist "utopia" always rings hollow. If it can't be a utopia for everyone, how can it call itself perfect? If it requires people to be subjugated, how can it say there is no oppression? Makes no sense. It's the same as gamers who say they want one thing and when they get it say they want the other. People at large don't know what they want. They'll do things that are directly against their own self interests until it becomes inconvenient for them. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's the best option. I think I'm starting to ramble here, but yeah. Money hasn't been around since the dawn of humanity, and it sucks that people think society can't exist without it.

[@DichotomousRex]

You say you are okay with giving up your security because you spend all your time working to have security? That makes no sense...

[@jba2048]

I knew it was going to be Network. I saw the title and Ned Beatty’s speech about “the forces of nature!!!” Immediately popped in my head. I love this film and own a copy. Now if only I could find a copy of Being There I’ll double my profoundness.

[@Tokinjester]

I still have a UK region dvd of Being There 👍

[@slaindesmond2574]

This a perfect describer of what happened to documentary channels like History Channel it went for trying at least to emphasize factual science and history to simply cure "Boredom" with conspiracy theory garbage like Ancient Aliens. Even things such as Tik Tok show we don't desire truth but food to mediate our boredom at the expense of knowledge.

[@starryknight5555]

I watched this film with my family a couple of times but never old enough to appreciate the gravity of that specific scene. Max the legend coming in to fill us with nostalgia and existential dread once again. 🎉

[@FlexxibleFree]

Boi, what a play! Too bad late stage capitalism is already here and every opinion is championed by it's own pundit. It doesn't make life better like movie proposed, it's just a better way to extract all the money from every person who listens to them

[@9148H2]

one movie that wasn't really good, but the ending makes it worth watching and that was the ending of Escape from LA. Not a good movie, but in the end, the main Protagonist Snake Plissken takes out not just a Fascist US Government, but all governments and institutions across the globe with a push of a button. By shutting down the earth, and taking away the tool of technology that was the lifeblood of corrupt institutions, Humankind was finally freed. In times like these, I go back to that scene and ask myself a question. If you had a button that would shut off all of the world's technology disrupting centuries of technological and social progress to free ourselves from the clutches of governments and other institutions. Would you do it? The ancient Greeks believed that we don't need good governments what we need are good people, but is good ever something that is in Human Nature especially now? In this day and age, it gets harder and harder for people with a conscience to come in and stop this, and historically people of that caliber are usually killed off by the powers that be. Nowadays it seems easier to buy people out. Corrupt them with money so they can bring them to their level trying to convince the people of the world that the world is naturally psychopathic and we should be like these irrational overpaid psychopaths that run everything. In times like these where technology advances, the powers that be do not have good intentions with technology and tend to use more for nefarious purposes to make sure we remain slaves to the system. Would any of us be willing to push that button?

[@benfrancois7856]

Another good movie is the number 23 and cube and the endless just i couple of good movies I've seen recently but i wouldn't say that they are profound necessarily but just interesting and another good book is the man in the high castle

[@triberium_]

Watched Network a couple of weeks ago and it was crazy how in line with reality that movie actually was

[@matthiasthulman4058]

Have you seen Wag the Dog? Definitely check it out if you haven't already. It's almost too on point in some parts, especially in our current situation in the world

[@Katharsis540]

Great movie. They Live also check that movie.

[@M2Mil7er]

Network wasn't prescient. It happened to be true back then too. If anything, it just shows us how little has changed.

[@ZeranZeran]

Network and Eyes Wide Shut were the last 2 movies to get through Hollywood Censorship and both had nearly an hour cut out of them before they were approved.. I still wonder what they felt the need to hide.

[@ZeranZeran]

@@M2Mil7er Back then it was relatively new, and ahead of it's time for calling it out. Today, it's a horrifying reminder that no one got mad. No one changed anything.

[@PocksDW]

What’s truly profound was the friends we made along the way.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

Not even a joke. We should consider all good things that happen in our lives to be miraculous.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

@Max_Derrat Look buddy, it's really easy to tell you're not Max. I can see your channel.

[@mitchy17]

Max, I'm really enjoying your analysis. I have to point out that Lumet is pronounced like Loo-Met. Not Loo-May.

[@sjorspolling8275]

I watched "Network" for Social Studies in high school. (Or rather, the Dutch equivalent of it.) And it sparked a discussion about how we view or SHOULD view media. Mind you, this was at the start of the internet age, which isn't as long ago as one might think. We now have so many "Howard Beale's" on the internet now; some of them self aware of their BS and some of them not... I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore.

[@Lamia-666]

Mao is not the end all be all of communism, I beg you to please look into alternative forms. I completely agree about ML and MLM being destructive ideologies though, just please don't paint with such a broad brush. I really like the channel and am also autistic, so please keep up the good work.

[@CrankyCrabChaos]

I think the thing with confirmation bias is less about something that is easier to believe and more because we exist in such a world of conflict that even admitting you are wrong is so shameful. And if we were less aggressive in our knowledge-based victories (as essentially every internet argument and debate is at its core) it would be easier for people to change their perspectives and become more open minded. Despite the fact that psychological research these days has many oversights and must take extreme ethical values to do by those studying psychology, governments and corporations take that ethically sourced research and use it for very unethical and psychologically controlling purposes. It's kind of fucked and really unfortunate for those of us who aren't the 1%.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

Network is a classic.

[@ThrottleKitty]

The villains absolutely have a point, but they are wrong. That reason comes second, the people in power just want to maintain their power, and they'll say and do anything to achieve that goal. The claimed peace, it is an excuse by people who have the power regardless. The story is so focused on communism, and this mythologized idea of a "perfect capitalism" that functions almost the same as the end goal of communism because the idea that people innately want a world of peace and stability where everyone is provided for, but that the rich and powerful positions themselves in such a way as any attempt to do that only results in everyone suffering and their power increasing. They made us need them. When those nations became "communist", they kept the same leaders. Leaders who would willfully inflict suffering on their people for trying to improve their life through communism. Leaders who would lie and say anything, façade any ideology, to grow and maintain their power. The truth is the rich and powerful who control our nations, regardless of the economic system, decide who lives and dies, how much peace and war their is. There is no winning when your enemy already has all the power in the world and is immune to economic turmoil. Any victory achieved will be met with widescale punishment. Those same leaders, particularly in cases like the USSRs, would then illegally and undemocratically dissolve communism and instate a capitalist economy. In Russia, the same people who ruled in the time of Czars, ruled under communism, and ruled under capitalism. All using the same myth of "eventual paradise" to justify cruelty. Any ideology can be used to inflict cruelty. Even passivism and centrism can be exploited. There is no safe ideology, there is no good ideology. Ideology is just another thing people built to serve a purpose, like roads, hammers, and boots. The idea isn't communism evil, nor is it that capitalism is evil. It's that capitalism and communism have become nothing but set dressing for the rich to pretend they're serving a purpose, trying to build something great. But the truth is, they'll say and do anything to maintain their power. They'll call themselves divine kings, capitalist oligarchs, communist dictators, or god sent protectors of nature itself. Whatever story maintains their power.

[@MrSTVR]

Film school screened a lot of hit and miss stuff when I was there, but Network was the absolute best thing I discovered during it. 70s cinema was something special.

[@bendafyddgillard]

why is individuality so important though? It's pretty well known now, for example, that the myth of "individual responsibility" is mostly just an excuse for not addressing systematic problems. At the very least, individuality has to be balanced against collective cohesion. We are a social species after all. And in what does "individuality" in late stage capitalism really even consist? Choosing a phone case that's "you"? Shopping at Burger Chain A because Burger Chain B is cringe? The real lie of that speech by the villain is that all of us would own stock in that one world-spanning organisation. In reality only a small number would, and the rest of us would be indentured workers in an inescapable company town.

[@johnmanole4779]

I watched the movie yesterday. It was quit depresing, at least for me.

[@Mo7340RR]

That’s a risky paradise the CEO is selling. Let one company win until they control everything and then everyone will be in peace and taken care of. Makes me shiver.

[@Roblin2021]

For me its the end of A Scanner Darkly. Its message about the surveillance state and anonymity, corporate lies...The first time I watched it and everything clicked at the end, it made me cry.

[@pointlessaccount100]

Network was one of two movies that enthralled my life into the power of a well told narrative and the power of words. Great pick!

[@FlanuerNexus]

This is day 15 of asking you to watch "On The Silver Globe".

[@vgman94]

For me, the most profound film in the scene was not the scene with Jensen, but the final scene between Max and Diana. His monologue to her burrowed to the bottom of the issue of media, and did it in a more personal way than the other scenes did.

[@leexiong2128]

That's a fair point. I kind of agree. It depends on how you look at it. Everyone wants to live comfortably and with meaning and passion. I think the problem is, what's preventing us from it? The scene Max denotes here is. As someone who has struggled with this all my life, I think you can live purposely and for yourself, but it is one against a great tide, frought with many pains and sacrifices, but one that might be worth it. Maybe I'll be able to tell about it someday if I don't vanish into the big machine.

[@hopesspirits8754]

that scene was stone cold. Max established himself as a true human in that back and forth alone. He's made mistakes, he's had his sins and virtues, he's irrational, he's filled with emotions. All of those making him an authentic human. And he knows that for Diana all that semantics is just a script. And Max made sure to let Diana know that she'll never be anything other than a humanoid part of the calculating hivemind, devoid of all life. That was cruel of Max to do but for me it didnt matter, because Diana was not human. Honestly my favorite scene second only to the Jensen meeting.

[@janedoe5229]

I agree. It is also a very profound scene. The whole movie makes you THINK.

[@MeeCee5204]

This is why noone should get upset when they find out they've been lied to. We're all liars, in one way or another.

[@icaroalencar99]

About the videos final idea. A guy called Andrew Ryan tried it: it was called Rapture. Spoilers: it doesnt work.

[@ACHU-DETE]

Max, It would be great to see you cover Eyes Wide Shut, I feel like this movie is often overlooked and especially in light of recent discoveries (e-p-st-ein) it has been cemented as one of the only movies that attacks and exposes the "untouchables" in modern society. Even before that revelation it was still my favorite movie because it stood on it's own as an incredible cinematic and symbolic story however I feel like the confirmation of what it portrayed as actually being a real and threatening danger in our lives will cause it to be remembered as a truly prophetic film.

[@jessus3923]

David Lynch had his own way of telling about the Hollywood-behind-the-scenes-things. His way of course is much more abstract and nonsensical.

[@ACHU-DETE]

@@jessus3923 I always felt like David Lynch's work was more broad, Twin Peaks to me seemed like a meditation on the concept of evil and what it means to humanity as a whole but I would be interested to see his work being connected to more specific events.

[@jessus3923]

@@ACHU-DETE I believe Mulholland Drive is a work that touches the beforementioned topics, darker and more sinister side of Hollywood. I believe that so does Inland Empire to some extent. It's just hidden beneath all the "Lynchian" style and pretty abstract and liberal way of telling a story. Of course the movies have other elements too, other subplots, but I have impression that beforementioned is one of the recurring themes.

[@ACHU-DETE]

@@jessus3923 Ah ok, havent seen that one! I'll have to watch it.

[@aDriveAway]

@@jessus3923I keep hearing people say this. Any videos or articles you recommend that discuss this theme? Bc I for the life of me don’t see it

[@unit2a766]

Rejecting individuality, huh, novelist Project Itoh came to the same conclusion in a book Harmony in a much more darker sense

[@javokuma6640]

Hey Max have you watched ZARDOZ? Maybe you should... For real! I know, I know it looks bad but it's actually, surprisingly refreshing... And yes, profound.

[@BillyBob-xo6fc]

If the company is owned by the workers (via stocks) and not the state then that's good actually. It is a democratization of the workplace. The simple fact that we do not live in a real democracy, even at an economic level is the root of most of our problems.

[@hab0272]

Do think most humans will lower their moral standards in favour of survival. I also think that people will develop their baseline morality when they dont have to survive all the time. I think it's worth raising the living conditions of the average people

[@theparalexview785]

Yup. I saw Network in the theater when it first came out, and have watched it many times since. And I've often spoken to friends in person and online exactly the same things you've said, especially that boardroom scene with Ned Beatty. And it's a damned shame that the post 2000s takeway has been the out-of-context bellowing of Howard Beale, especially by Alex Jones: "I'm mad as hell" blah-blah-blah. Too many people failed to grok that Howard Beale was no folk hero or man of the common people. He was a paranoid lunatic and a dangerous puppet, a stooge and shill for neo-fascism and a form of neo-feudalism. I'm not sure a single person I've discussed this with got the message. Most people who even tried to watch the movie didn't finish it, or said it was too dated and too confusing. They didn't understand the -- admittedly very '70s -- juggling of drama, dark humor and satirical skewering of sacred cows. But I must admit to being biased. I've been a huge fan of Paddy Chayefsky, Sidney Lumet and Faye Dunaway for many years. In the end the Diana Christensens and Arthur Jensens of the world won.

[@bobbytheimmortal1501]

Analysis on Blood Meridian?

[@TheGreenKnight500]

Now that's a herculean task

[@FlakonFraggs]

The fact that KZbin's corporate policies prevented you from playing a scene that essentially portrays Corporate Capitalism as the gospel of the Anti-Christ is supreme irony.

[@lloydgush]

Well, it's true about what and how they think. Not so much true about people in general. It's true that people care about their bottom line first, but people intuitively know it depends on an intricate system of rules and self-regulation. That's one of the reasons why people frequently flock to being told what to think, because they naturally come with a degree of humbleness. But, interestingly enough, they also frequently flock to being taught in practice how to think, and it's such a nebulous thing that it's absurdly hard to pinpoint. And frequently, even the likes of countrapoints are forced by that instinct to say the secret part out loud. Truth is, every wannabe king is a slave to their crown, forced to navigate the unfathomable will of the people.

[@alimfuzzy]

I personally would put the most profound moment is from good will hunting, where the doctor realises the issue with Will and says something akin to You think you know everything, but your just a kid, you haven't experienced anything and are full of 💩 With social media, too many young people are able to get their opinions out there and influencing others (regardless of age) and they don't think critically what is said... so what you get are the masses learning things from people who have a whole lot of influence but don't know what they are talking about and do the bare minimum research but push it as hard facts. The scene defines the problem and the solution all in one speech.

[@quintessenceSL]

Comedian I like does a bit of being like a scared monkey looking to celebrities for insight in how to address life's difficulties because, duh, they are successful and they are not; and how can you argue against that? Some reviewer made mention about an apocalypse- you can't live by your moral ideals because everyone else will take advantage of you, but you can't be complete bastard either because no one will trust you. I took that to mean not that people are flexible with their morality, but they do have to fit the circumstances. Problem is people do not cultivate environments to be their best selves.

[@RavenFrostwing]

This actually brings me back to the video game franchise of Armored Core, particularly the first and third game series. Arthur's dream is fully realized when not only has individuality been taken from humanity and their lives curated into a machine of money but the corporations themselves that thrive on this flow are also used in a similar fashion. Inside of the game everything from the civil unrest of jobs being lost to infighting that the corporations have for control over trade and quite literally the world that they live in is planned and calculated. Everyone in that game from the rioters to the rebels to the two largest corporations serve the singular purpose of maintaining society. The AI, solely named the Controller has already calculated these skirmishes, the people living and dying in order to keep those corporations afloat, the Ravens used to fight for those corporations vying for power and money to keep human society serving the purpose of safety and the ideal of harmony. Just like you said with the ending of your video: One Raven above all else chooses to destroy everything in order to free humanity from this lost world and give it meaning. One person was enough to make all of the calculations of the AI go awry.

[@john80944]

It's just neoliberalism/late-capitalism though. Any students of history and philosophy can explain and rebuke that idea easily. It's not that profound if all you need to do is going online and read some news. That's why Zizek wrote about The Sublime Object of Ideology. Or I should say, outsourcing is a common practice of human society, and we love to outsourcing critical thinking too.

[@Cubelarooso]

Any actually moral truth-seeker would adopt antinatalism. That's highly inconvenient, and so out principles go.

[@ericcooke2661]

Aurther's philosophy is economically flawed, too all those worried about it. The flaw he fails to see is that rich people, like him, exist. Rich people can only exist in society if there are means in which to redirect the flow of wealth into their own pockets. This is one of the arguments that Socialists and Utilitarians make as to why the government should control the flow of wealth, whether it evenly distributed as per Utilitarianism or distributed to bring up those in the lowest poverty level. In fact, what Aurther is proposing is a socialist system, one which aims at corporate wealth instead of social. In a side note, it should be mentioned that Communism is not Socialism. Communists use Socialist ideals and programs to achieve their goal, but, while Socialism aims to distribute wealth so that all can be in a place of comfort, Communism only cares to eliminate class/caste systems, thus the beggar has just as much power as the home owner.

[@kevinhawkins940]

The most profound moment is "Daddy Would You Like Some Sausage" from Freddy Got Fingered

[@benfrancois7856]

I like the movie blade runner based on the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and the man in the high castle by Philip k dick and the book of valis is allso very interesting

[@captindo]

Profound is something you have to give attention too, but, I’d like to here your favourite scenes in movies and videos games. For me it’s the ending to the episode In Pale Moonlight on the show Star Trek DS9. That and Goku going Super for the first time was awesome dude.

[@Cruelcoil]

There's good money and there's bad money, I use Bitcoin because it's immune to hyperinflation

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

Do a video about Videodrome.

[@maxderrat]

A video on Videodrome is inevitable.

[@Shamshiro]

I used to be active in the field of politics, hoping beyond all hope that my efforts in tandem with my peers could galvanize a change in mindset in the general public and drive them to improve their lives. Years went by, and all that they ever taught me is that people are just purposefully, irredeemably stupid unless they suffer the same misfortunes heaped upon others they usually see in mass media. Now, the only people I care about improving their lives is myself, and a handful of others who stopped being willingly stupid.

[@isamekailmahmud9302]

I don't other people's views on certain types of media certain shape mine, usually to an unhealthy degree but I don't know there's something beautiful about it too, being able to look at all the different sides of the argument, genuinely trying to find views that disagree with my own and trying to see where they're coming from until I come to a conclusion of my own is a very delightful process to me, because some people just see things I can't and it's interesting to find out why and how.

[@octosalias5785]

They took our resentment, packaged it up and sold it back to us

[@TheDJman248]

I'd say that Arthur's statement about people's willingness to cling to unconscious security rather than conscious (and painful) truths could be considered correct in most cases...so long as there IS an identified convenient security to cling to as an alternative en mass. I can't even say this is necessarily something that started just last century...as a group, people always tended to try to agree in simple, easier to understand sentiments rather than complex, critical/ inconvenient facts. This has been true since the time society started, not as an absolute occurrence...but as a tendency, in my eyes. Media and network corporations, I believe, merely exacerbated and expanded this tendency. It's the equivalent of having the near entirety of the U.S in one big room, if you think about it...and you know what they say about groups of people: The more people are in a group in any given moment...the less intelligent we tend to get when emotions rise conflicts flare up. With that in mind...I think Arthur's statement about the world has one big critical flaw in it, that I already pointed out in the beginning: People, when in a big collective, DO tend to cling to unconscious security and compromise morals when survival is a priority...but that's only if said alternatives are identified as readily available and rationalized as "necessary". If not....then, even if reluctant, people WILL be more likely to find themselves facing harsh truths and sticking to their morals because the alternative would be perceived as death, either in spirit, or literal. Some revolutions arguably happened and ran on this, in my opinion.

[@christopherm3271]

Very well said, these points could/should be expanded on, not sitting in a comments section.

[@frankcastle3262]

"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far You're gonna fly, you're never gonna die You're gonna make it if you try, they're gonna love you" -Pnk Floyd 1975

[@aoifeamari]

It's a tad bit dated (the TV isn't as powerful as it used to be), but a lot points of what Network conveyed are still relevant.

[@Vapourwear]

Network is fuckin' amazing. Timeless.

[@coliniesLIVE]

saw the start of this vid, went to watch the movie, back now for the discussion 😎

[@jovan9989]

Max i think you should watch Spoorloos/Vanishing (1988). People idolize Joker and what not but there is a character in that forgotten film that is so terrifying but the film is very nuanced and leaves bread crumbs for you to understand why he does what he does.

[@Davlavi]

Self analyses and development is more important then ever.

[@TheBshwckr]

This movie is in the fantasy world where people who disagree with you stay quiet to hear what you have to say

[@John-hz8xy]

No hate, it's just that I'd become a millionaire every time you say the word profound. Love your work!

[@pacefactor]

Today I learned what movie my grandpa would quote and I never realized it Holy fuck.

[@mateusgreenwood1096]

That last moment in which Spartacus has his named spelled by his fellow men is awe inspiring for me, as a teen i always thought they were being loyal by covering the truth from the executioners but now i understand "Spartacus" became a glorious name for all of those who dare to dream of freedom, Spartacus became untouchable, immortal, an idea.

[@thebonefish]

I suggest a scene from the 1996 Tom Aronld classic, The Stupids. When Stanley meets The Lord, and he responds that his name is Lloyd, shattering his world.

[@rohankishibe6433]

See, i think this has a lot to do with greed and pur economic system. Ultimately, if you strip everything down to the bare bones, take away all money and all advertising, you have work and you have products. Everyone wants more products for less work, and the way you change this ratio id through power, which you can gain by leveraging money to influence others' decisions, which make you more money in the process. Capitalism inherenlty breeds inequalitues, and this is not ideal for people who cant keep up with the top. If you take democracy for example, it makes it harder to gain power and thus money without the consent of the general public, who suffer from the top 1% gaining wealth. After all, theres only so much money in the world, and they have to take it from somewhere. Socialism takes it a step further. When everything is owned by the public, ties between each other strengthen and money and power become even harder to congregate in the povkets of the rich. Finally, you add direct democracy, where the public votes on whether laws get passed while politicians only serve to inspect bills for violations of constitution, violations of univeral human rights, and negative effects ovrrall for society, playing a role more similar to scientists. Ultimately, I think everyone can agree on a united earth under one banner working towards one goal of increased production of things that make life better, i just disagree that its possible or even good to do so through the lense of money and business.

[@jeffwinkler1137]

Ahhhh but WHO decides what is 'better' or for the 'greater good'? Politicians are forever narcissists as are teachers, clergy, they would never limit their grasp as you describe.

[@KyrstOak]

20:31 Tell us how to think, but never tell us how to think? What?

[@jackprince7813]

make a video about blasphemous

[@Indi_51]

OOOF THATD BE TOO MUCH MAN BUT I WANT IT SO BAD

[@jmantruth]

I watched Network about 5 years into working in the news industry and it made such a profound impact on me. It's such an amazing movie that everyone should see. So glad you covered this.

[@briansherling5515]

By far the most powerful, prophetic movie ever made. The Howard Beale show was the larvae form of FOX News. Network is by far my favorite movie ever made. It’s perfection. The author was a genius!

[@fredgarvinMP]

How do you feel about MSNBC?

[@ZachAnsley]

This is my favorite movie ever. Thank you so much for talking about it!

[@rvre]

They aren’t wrong. Even more reason to fight against it.

[@yunggolem4687]

Most people want nothing more than to be well-kept slaves.

[@robertpatter5509]

A Scanner Darkly is worth looking into.

[@Blurns]

All morality is derived from self-interest.

[@ryanscott2745]

Man it's like everything you put out is a banger.

[@DJslopp10]

film theory

[@edhero4515]

Interesting! I'm kind of a film expert. I've been watching, analysing and studying films all my life. Consequently, I have seen...many. Your most profound moment of film history is exactly the same as mine. As if this moment would create its own gravity...as if it were not subjective...

[@DichotomousRex]

Have you studied how to analyze film, so you're not way behind the times?

[@edhero4515]

@@DichotomousRex Sry, I'm not a native speaker. I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. The reason why I'm involved in film analysis is probably because of my ADHD. I can't stand monotony and the diversity of the medium of film suits me very well. Can you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by "way behind the times"?

[@steelcurtain187]

Great choice. This whole film is so relevant even more than ever now

[@johnbell792]

not sure if you'll see this, but that MGS video might be the best yt video i've ever seen. excited to check this out

[@maxderrat]

[@ATroubledMaker]

@@maxderrat I agree here actually. Not only did it impact my current work and goals but it connected myself and LogosSteve for the past year as well. As an OSINT Analyst specializing in digital evidence for civil litigation it resonated in a very significant way.

[@ronin47-ThorstenFrank]

Honorble mention V for Vendetta. Both the original graphic novel and the movie. Because they´ve turned out much more prophetic, in many many ways, than anyone could imagine at the times both were made. I always was under the impression it was at least in parts influenced by Network (that was a very good choice IMO!).

[@robertpowser5624]

Oh that virus was definitely engineered and I believe someone used it!.. Good call on V Hugo Weaving was masterful!

[@ronin47-ThorstenFrank]

@MenahemKhasin47 Oh, I know Zizek´s commentary. My thought on that was that the Zizek doesn´t understand allegories.

[@tauanwerneck3197]

Man this movie is such a capitalist realist masterpiece. It does great to criticize the power of capital and how it is entrenchly tied to corporations, capitalism (heck it is in its name), the media and everything in between. It also goes to show how capitalism merchandises even it's ideological rival so to speak when making bucks out of a show based on Mao's revolution in China. There is a reason why Che's face is such a icon and how it sells. But I do think that Max gets one thing wrong about the individual. A giant corporation ruling wouldn't lead to the death of the individual, but rather the exaggeration of individualism: we see that idea in most Cyberpunk themed media and art produced. It isn't hard to imagine a future were the billionaires of the wold wouldn't become nigh godly beings due the power of life enhancing technology while the poor masses continue to struggle. All isn't lost, however, because most of that art also shows most of the time the solution against this massive overbearing force, and that is simply to care for another, to cultivate empathy, sympathy and to be really human towards any brother, sister or in between that may cross your path. The individual flourishes the most when doing things for others. Heck, even Max produced this video for us. He made it not for himself, but for us. Pardon any english mistakes, it isn't my native language.

[@mossystone584]

yes, thanl you!!! your analysis is so good, some seem to only see the mao channel and think its such just a biganti commie film

[@zerpblerd5966]

it has absolutely nothing to do with capital/capitalism, omg, please learn words this is corporate network stuff, directly tied to socialism and world-banks capitalism is misused all the time

[@mossystone584]

@zerpblerd5966 ah yes, communism is when corperation. Very smart, I love when corporations abolish commodification of labour and democratize the work place

[@tauanwerneck3197]

@@zerpblerd5966 the guy in the movie says it directly. When he starts talking about the money that exists in each and every country he is talking about capital. The movie criticizes both ideologies and does so rather well by the way. Also please, be intellectually honest, saying that there is no such thing as capital tied to capitalism as well as how it is based on monetary profit and markets is a lie, we both know it. If you don't think so I suggest reading a bit of Adam Smith, Mises and the likes.

[@zerpblerd5966]

@@tauanwerneck3197 no, you don't understand what capital actually is or how the systems work, I have read plenty and clearly understand things much more than you do not interestedin explaining it to you either, you are assumptive and presumptive and off-base and need to understand how things formed and how they work better

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

Watch "Сказка Для Старых". Pretty good watch.

[@a1o1]

Children of Men.... That is all

[@Cozonac3000]

Great video as always! Well done Max!

[@Hoorkie]

You should examine Enter the Void by Gaspar Noe

[@TheDoctor23452]

Thus is one of the most prophetic movies ever made. It should be required viewing for all.

[@MavrosStJohn]

The idea of “The universe runs on business transactions” is the plot of a game called Cruelty Squad. It’s an interesting juxtaposition between these two pieces of Fiction.

[@stapuft]

religion is the antithesis of truth

[@Schlachti10]

Another excellent movie about media manipulating the public is "Look Who's back". The movie starts as a Borat style comedy with Hitler waking up in a parking lot in modern Berlin. He then gets found by a TV station and put in front of a camera. From that moment on the film becomes increasingly dark and downright terrifying at the end.