The Most Tilting Herald Game we've Watched

Pyrion needed a lie down after this one.
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Welcome to the Dota 2 Scrub cast, with your hosts Pyrion Flax and Lewis Brindley!
Join us as we follow star player Daf up through the ranked matchmaking trenches of Dota as he attempts to climb out from the noob play filled trench of Herald ranked Mmr.
Each match is filled with funny moments, epic fails and wtf moments, mostly down to scrub and noob level plays.
So sit back and enjoy the rage shout cast from Pyrion and Lewis, and who knows maybe we’ll all learn a thing or two by then end.
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[@dafnotdaff961]

I am a strong independent Gibbon

[@MrThonius]

Subbed

[@Lucas-gt8en]

Who don’t need no coach

[@GumpyGrubber]

With a blade mail :D

[@ImpulsiveZombie]

With an Urn full of tasty, tasty cod liver oil

[@mtgrabbitwizard1679]

The best Gibbon

[@ArlanKels]

The mechanics corrections by Joe are so god darned awesome because we know that Pyrion knows his stuff, but he does make mistakes and Joe is trying to respectfully correct those mistakes for viewers. Very well done. Personally think this team of four(Daf/Joe/Pyrion/Lewis) is probably the best Quad Team at the moment.

[@JoeHickson]

The only reason I can correct pyrion is because I have Internet access and hours to find the information haha the man knows his game

[@Deadvimz]

@@JoeHickson Great work mate

[@madgecko11]

@@JoeHickson It’s also Pyrion knows the game but they change little stuff so often it’s easy to remember something old and not one of the 50 patches that have changed stuff since.

[@JimothyTheGreen]

Daf/Joe/Pyrion/Lewis sounds like a hilarious team to watch live. Who's the 5th though? Sips? I'd watch tf out of that.

[@Peerkons]

@@JoeHickson That's not what you usually say on the streams lol

[@eg8568]

This series is just excellent. One of the best things the Yogscast has put out in a while. I had never played Dota before until watching it. Joe's editing and animations are excellent. They keep the video snappy, informative, and entertaining Pyrion's rage and coaching is hilarious and helpful at the same time Lewis is the person we, the average Dota player, can relate to. He asks the right questions to help us understand what's going on and of course has natural chemistry with Pyrion And Daf is our lovable gibbon that we all want to support (who doesn't love an underdog?) but at the same time can sometimes love to hate as we can relate to having a player like him on our team (or often we are in his position too) Love this series so much

[@100Peterll]

Nothing better than a near 1 hour Scrub Dota episode to distract me from doing actual work.

[@Wabajak13]

Never played a match of this game but I study these videos like I actually understand anything they're saying

[@SadGibbon]

I did the same and actually started playing two weeks ago, have been getting some mvp's and honourable mentions. I just do what pflax hammers on about like getting vision, buying stick and using glimmer cape on my teammates. These videos are great for new support players.

[@sameveland8560]

@ferre libbrecht just stay in unranked for a long time thats something they wont tell you in these videos and when you finally do go into ranked try to play only a few heroes you know so you get more comfy on the hero and can focus on the game

[@forshor1998]

I'll have you know I've played at least 8 games against easy AI and won as drow so I'm an expert and achtuallyyy....

[@7enso]

The issue is that whenever Joe is "coaching" Daf he's basically playing the game with an insane amount of input lag.

[@fatherofwar1203]

And occasionally the "game" doesn't listen to his commands lol

[@loglog7]

@@fatherofwar1203 about 80% of the time.

[@Rale881]

@@fatherofwar1203 so just as effective as modern voice recognition? Rofl

[@fatherofwar1203]

@@Rale881 Having your communication skills compared to a voice assistant is not a good thing at all haha

[@loglog7]

I watched Daf play a Viper game a couple of weeks ago and holy shit I feel Joe's pain. Joe: "Just toggle your Q, just try it, it'll make things so much easier" Daf: "no" proceeds to lose 6 easy kills because he auto attacks instead. I think Daf is just so stuck in his way that he can't change.

[@Noobazzah]

Ah yes, another fine casting of a game of "Herald: An Interactive Period Drama".

[@milesroy9564]

On games where Joe isn’t coaching Daf it would be hilarious to see Joe’s opinion on the game and Daf’s play in like a coach’s corner segment at the end of the video.

[@loglog7]

From the games I watched live Joe’s opinion can be summed up with “You did it Daf! Yes! But holy shit you could have had 14 more kills if you just did what I said”

[@Deunstephe]

This one... god damn. I loved the "Coming Up" section here. So many moments that Daf has absolutely played better in other games... all coming down to tilting the enemy into a loss. Insane.

[@MrCrownedClown]

Goals in Dota by Priority: 1. Kill the Ancient 2. Kill an enemy or help your team kill an enemy 3. Stay alive or keep your team alive 4. Destroy a tower or help your team destroy a tower 5. kill creeps Use your skills (for 1-4) always until you find out when it is not so useful. Do not keep your skills for later until you have used them thousands of times.

[@the-potato-warrior]

I like sips

[@TheBugB]

Me too

[@snookergaming6295]

Who doesn't

[@bageldrone]

sips is worse than Daf

[@smalltownhik]

You know, the best part of these scrubcasts and the livestreams with Daf is that it gives okay players like me the confidence to really get out there with DOTA. I’ve been playing off and on for almost 10 years now and never played ranked because I figured I sucked really hard. Seeing actual Herald play has really opened my eyes. Bless you crazy Gibbons.

[@zcalot]

This must be the funniest and most educational DOTA 2 video that these guys have ever produced. Poor Daff.. and poor Joe

[@ahjgbhlahgaohgl]

I agree Daff is not learning, Daff is just asking joe what to do every stream. Daff doesn't think through the problem himself, make a choice, and then feel the consequences. Daff and joe should watch the reply and discuss, for Daff to actually learn.

[@Hazlius]

Daff doesn’t even listen to Joe most of the time. He’ll ask for advice and then go “no I’m not going to do that” then Joe, our skull casters, and chat facepalms

[@4F0xSake]

@@Hazlius Yeah it's funny because I think Daf genuinely is learning slowly but at his worst, Joe asks a question to get him to think about the game, Daf doesn't know/want to answer so just asks to be told, Joe tells him, Daf ignores.

[@Ansi1709]

It could be fun, if Pyrion and Daf, looked at one of Lewis' games. Or Daf and Lewis commentating on one of Pyrions. Just as a one off.

[@JazzakRavenshade]

Well actually the best way to do it is to push the lanes in and destroy the barracks. /s Also I think the bigger issue is that when Daf sees a person his initial thought isn't "Kill them" it's "There's someone there"

[@100Peterll]

"Herald: An Interactive Period Drama" Ok, KZbin...

[@Killercoldice22]

LOLLLL Daft in a nutshell 41:00 he sees enemy he is looking for OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[@ahjgbhlahgaohgl]

I like the diagram drawings by joe. Lol

[@TheOnlyOrk]

dafs performance feels like a sine wave

[@TheZeyon]

I've never seen Pflax this livid haha had me in stitches

[@MrLittleDuck]

A good way to think about moving round the map is move quickly with intent. Know why you are going somewhere. Know what you will do when you get there and know what will happen when you do. You are going jungle. You will activate blade mail when you see an enemy. This will be thought of before you get there. You pre-load in your what you are doing, not getting up there and flailing around. It takes around .1-.2 seconds for your brain to see something and comprehend what it is. That is not including planning time. That is just you understanding what is going on. By knowing what you are doing before you avoid the flail.

[@siltyroach1584]

"This is the Youth of today!" 😂

[@Fail460]

Omg poor daf ahaha, and pyrion was so funny after snapfire used the refresher at about 47 mins. Love the content both of yous

[@Kaidyn04]

This was maybe Daf's worst early game ever, including the early videos. In a match up that was heavily favored for him. I think when Pyiron and Lewis were talking about his just not being a mid player that might be the correct answer

[@sameveland8560]

Mid tests your mechanics and positioning more than any other lane so those being dafs weakest skills doesnt help, not to flame at all but if I get a mechanically unskilled player in mid like someone who doesn't play it a lot the matchup almost doesn't matter because the person will misplay really important things in lane before 5m and give me a big advantage. The knowledge and skill checks required are just more emphasized so if you have issues with being fast with your decision making or mechanics you're better suited to offlane and just learn positioning atleast while you learn.

[@SirKanti1]

I want to see a game where Pflax coaches Daff but Pflax is blindfolded.

[@ReunionMana]

Please keep doing more of these! Never stop!

[@ivantumanov1015]

cm didn't die to venom's spit, he didn't actually spit there, she died to his corrosive skin

[@ultrahevybeat]

keep these comming ive never cared about mobas ever but this is so great

[@ZeDrMedic]

The sole reason Radiant won, is because Dires Sniper had such an over inflated glass-thin ego that game, which was shattered when getting himself killed by the blademail, tilting him into TPing back in even when his team had left. 100& tilt, if he wasn't then he wouldn't have gone back in like that and instead thought "OK, that was too aggressive, gonna take a step back." Pyrion was right, without Sniper, Dires team fell apart. Though that last fight seemed incredibly lucky.

[@allyusjaeger9145]

Thank you Pflax for saying what i've been thinking this whole time, Daf has not been improving at all!

[@Shadowslayler]

its not that he is necessarily bad. the lad keeps picking old heroes and falling into habits, or picking complete rando and having no idea how to play. but now he is decent at timber and brood so there is that.

[@dzello]

@@Shadowslayler No, it's definitely that he's bad. You literally explained what bad means.

[@stanleyyelnats297]

This series is the highlight of my week. God I need a life

[@kazzar831]

Someone find Pablo and get him in the inhouse.

[@Ganunbrar]

Hey Joe, I've not been stupid lately.. But is there still a chance to get a darker background after the game? As you might be able to tell, I'm a developer :P

[@JMPERager]

1:05 I didn't know Maokai was in this game... lmao

[@ScientiaFilms]

For the animation, in After Effects, put an expression on the rotation of the mouth that refers to the audio volume decible.

[@AimYTYT]

can't wait to watch daf get laminated by the primal beast

[@Lpens]

gotta love that intro pyrion scream hahaha

[@moocow5556]

i think there's some kind of reinforcement loop where daf isnt confident enough to just blow his load on people with characters like viper, and then he feels worse because he knows people like flax are gonna criticize him for it so he tries harder to have better trigger dicepline which makes him fuck up which makes him criticized more etc

[@mtgrabbitwizard1679]

Ah the fun of seeing Daf try to improve and hope he does but also want more of these videos and pryion stressing 😅

[@andyglen]

Smashing my lasses back doors in again to the shouting of Pyrion gets us both off. Love the scrub dota series lads.

[@carlostorres5544]

I wish this was from a stream, this would have been hilarious

[@AureaPersona]

Daf getting blademail won the game.

[@Draqo360]

Soo good this was great to watch I love all of it parion angry luie getting angry and all the good and bad moves.

[@JJnnaatt]

24:28 Can't see the tree for the forest

[@redzig2235]

Lewis is right that Daf has just learned poorly and needs to unlearn first. The game with Timbersaw shows what happens when he plays a completely fresh hero and has good coaching.

[@vonbear7288]

Idk dude, some of the decisions daf makes dont even seem to have anything to do with the hero, he just outright refuses to do the right thing and doesn't have any justification, just says 'no'. He's just bad, he only did well on timber because timber is incredibly forgiving.

[@redzig2235]

@@vonbear7288 That's kind of what I'm talking about. If Daf thinks he knows better he might push back on the advice. When he is completely out of his element and has no idea what to do the only choice is to follow instructions. You are right about the forgiving heroes, I think he would do good on similar heroes like Bristle or Tide. Pick a hero that lets you get in the fight and hit buttons. He also should avoid any hero with a skillshot., but that's just my opinion.

[@artlailey1496]

Hey I think it would be cool to have Joe co-cast one of these, just in the background to jump in and suggest correct information/nsight

[@jweezee100]

God i love scrub dota. Such a great series

[@ursarctos]

Loving Scrub Dota, lads! Keep it up! I hope Daf is still having fun too with all the shit Pyrion gives him haha

[@TTHJJD100]

The lotus orb is dumb as hell, but it does counter Zeus for half his skills, the lightning W does get reflected. But besides Zeus everything else besides sniper ult you want to reflect. Could just grab a shroud instead and just take less damage or none at all

[@Deniecu]

I think Daf is one of these players who will never learn to change. Like, it's good if he's having fun with it, and I enjoy these casts, but I think we all know he'll never get much better at the decisionmaking process.

[@vedepe]

never stop doing these, fucking love them!

[@FeralBoarding]

Best content on youtube right now.

[@sind4953]

He's improving :copium:

[@MyPurpleColour]

Love me some dotacast to listen to

[@fishpop]

Haven't paid attention to this channel. How long have they been doing the skeleton avatars thing?

[@matttomich553]

Just waiting for the day that one of my games is on here 😂

[@qT_p13]

I love that Lewis still hasn't changed that cringe end music.

[@willdazey7368]

Is there an argument for just leaving an opponent on a sliver of health instead of just killing, during setup phase? They will have to run back to fountain, which can be longer than the actual kill cooldown or they go to their lane on no health and start weak.

[@gotenks5633]

Imagine if instead of urn/blademail daff had bought a pipe, or eternal cloak...

[@yule_fuel505]

What a fucking wild ride

[@cosmic1466]

Anyone know when the Daf streams are? I keep missing them and I'd love to see this stuff live

[@Scaedura_]

Wednesday 11 am GMT

[@fontea6033]

between this jenkins and odpixel the dota community is being fed

[@emcake]

lew lew im tired of the snow map homie

[@ff-pj3de]

I don't play dota, or MOBAs in general. But even though, I can appreciate that sniper-throw.

[@john-marccartagenas6706]

Awesome episode today.

[@Cotif11]

I've been watching this series since the beginning and I still don't know what the fuck is going on in this game.

[@drybrawler]

The point of Dota is not to kill the enemy heroes, it is to kill the enemy ancient and it's worrying that Pyrion is saying otherwise. Nothing is more aggravating than killing 3 heroes and watching you team chase down the last 2 instead of pushing objectives.

[@ivantumanov1015]

"how can you get tilted that easily" "if you go fight your team will join you" when's the last time Pyrion played this game? In low mmr?

[@chriscooke9621]

100% I've played with crusader friends, and those games are always a 50/50 when playing an initiator you either stomp (your team follows you) or feed (they react slowly and they spend half your 5man blackhole/echo running away)

[@FlyingJustToFall]

I never watch Daf streaming, because in the short clips in this series, he is just annoying to listen to and i think that is where the non-improvement comes in. (Atleast from my pov) - Often when Daf dies, he does the classic "noob" thing and says "Oh where is my team?" or "Why isnt this guy hitting his spells" etc. We have all had this happen to us a billion times over the years and these are the kind of people who will NEVER improve... If u always throw blame and dont say "maybe i shouldn't have done this and that or change my items like this" etc. You will never. ever. ever learn. Man up and tell yourself "oh im an idiot because i did this" and the next time, u will do a little better. Listen, watch and learn and please have some self-awareness. When you lose your lane or w/e, it is not because of your team across the map. I know in this situation they are talking about mindset. But i think everything culminates regarding this subject. One thing is being bad, everyone is when starting.. But never improving obviously has many different factors. What i personally see with Daf is never looking at the minimap, never looking at enemy items and most importantly: He doesn't why he does the things he do... Why tp top with half hp? Probably because BOT was ready so he just clicked. Why not swap the dust, when going to kill Sniper. Because of 100% tunnel vision and the only thing he saw was his Q ability and the sniper. Besides that.. I normally hate raging, but Flax way of doing it is just kinda funny i feel. I can also relate. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk. I'll be here every monday.

[@legatelaurie]

I'm glad they're showing non-livestream games again because he is so reliant on the coaching

[@Yonny316]

WE'RE GAMIN!!

[@bibsp3556]

Did he hit tele in while his team was there, and then they all bailed cause the sniper died and didn't notice buyback/tele? if they'd stayed they'd end it there.

[@Dalnaresh]

Soooo is this the game that had Pyrion tweeting at Daf about a while back?

[@TheOzTurkish]

Should get Daff to play some games solo not streaming and record his commentary as he plays so we can see his thought process, only issue is we'll only see daffs POV

[@LAZERAK47V2]

This is the reason people hate to fight Sniper. Not because he's annoying (which he is) or because he's "OP" (according to low level players). But because when you lose to Sniper, it's your team's own fault. Your team couldn't coordinate, so he just A-clicks the ground and gets a rampage. The fact that he rage-bought back and died immediately, with his team not being punished for it, is INFURIATING. Especially when you're a Support main who has been trying to encourage your team to focus him, but your carry just AFK farms in jungle for 30 minutes. Good for that PA though. She and Pablo kept the team in the game.

[@itssupermandoe2434]

Pyrion not realizing Zeus was invisible when he stood next to daf and that's why daf didn't attack him then just getting so triggered by it for the next 10 min was super lame to hear.

[@xeoknight845]

47:30 nice vape animation

[@dowfreak7]

Pyrion's quite often wrong, but rarely has he been so wrong as when he had the horrendous "if you don't know what to do, just play a support" take. It's the other way around. If you're a core and you don't know what to do, you farm. You chill in safe places and wait for your team to enable you. You wait for your supports, who placed the wards and have an understanding of where to go, to lead you into places with kills and you go with them to achieve shit. If you're a support with 0 understanding of how the game's going, you're useless. A support isn't just "place ward, don't lasthit". And having that mindset is incredibly indicative of Pyrion's actual ingame skill. Thinking that supports are somehow less impactful and it's all about the cores is some grade-A shit insight.

[@Windowsprodukt]

Dav: Uses his Q Pyrion: "He's not using his Q!"

[@legatelaurie]

Tbf, at that point in the game he was either using just his ult or just his Q and expecting to kill with just that

[@BrunoJuncklaus]

good 1h rant

[@mrjenjay123]

I don't know if the mechanics are different from turbo to ranked/unranked all pick, but when Tree uses his Aghanims for vision, you can definitely see them as the enemy team without sentries or a gem. I've chopped hundreds down with a quelling blade without ever needing vision. Or maybe I'm hacking

[@skrattzerat5831]

hax

[@gee3161]

Cheers bois

[@Jebu911]

Loved it how pflax raged at daf. Honestly one of the worst throws I've ever seen by sniper.

[@IRONJUGGERNOT]

Brilliant, screw sniper. I wish all snipers diebacked into my team like this one.

[@TheM00ndawg]

put that bb clip art on a shirt pls.

[@gotenks5633]

27:19 wtf is this screen we're seeing. A circled fight and two goons talking about nothing. Show the fights dangit!

[@vonbear7288]

These videos are good other than the strange editing decision to zoom in the camera on the 'avatars' of Pyrion and Lewis like at 6:40... like it's not actually them, and im trying to watch the game. Stop zooming in on these images, it doesnt make it easier to hear or understand them... or anything. It's just annoying.

[@klonkrieger43]

18:25 Pyrion is even more wrong than Lewis points out. When the point of the game is to kill other people, why is there no constant death match going on? Because fighting often is not the optimal thing to do. Your team could be out of position, you could be behind infarm trying to catch up or other objectives are up. Seriously, anyone who goes "I am standing next to a champion, I have to fight." is legit the herald player. Daf might have decided wrong here, but don't tell people that crap

[@legatelaurie]

Great to see less livestream games. These make for much better content imo

[@SGz_Eliminated]

I'm truly not sure if Flax understands what solo queue pug dota is like, I catch his streams a lot and I've never seen him solo queue he's always five stack where comms is a given. I wonder this because of the way Flax talks like teamwork is a given in Dota, as if it as easy to say lets go this tower and team will respond. He made a statement at some point about if you have an initiator just say you're going to do it an do it and your team will follow and that is very much not true. The majority of these solo pug queuers, I'd say 80% and up are entirely selfish players, they do what they want, when they want, regardless of what anyone else on the team is doing. This is why you repeatedly see the support players building selfish items and not using their support items on friendly heroes. These are the type of players that will go jungle when they should be pushing, save themselves when they should save their carry, dieback, roam and die solo. Team work is so so important to have an effective Team in dota and 9/10 there's barely any in these pug matches and its nigh impossible to get people to coordinate even if one or two people are trying. Solo pug dotes is horrendous and its pretty much what killed this game for me, I was never able to five stack from the get go but even with a 3 or 4 stack the amount of games where the other pugs just wouldn't cooperate was truly shocking and as my friends grew tired of the game and stopped playing I was resigned to solo queuing game after game of people just refusing to work together as a team. Winning and losing becomes almost entirely RNG as we saw in this match neither team was using any Team work and it came down entirely to the acts of individuals to decide the fate of the match.

[@feoleb]

daff mvp

[@pizzapielemon]

I think that PFlax is overestimating something here. From everything we've seen on Daf & Joe's stream, there is 0 communication between pubbies, aside from swearing and racism. Even pings from them are rare, nothing to indicate "Hey, sniper there, let's get him". So you have to assume as a player that you're not going to get any help at all, aside from in the team-fights where you happen to all be in the same place at the same time.

[@rainy1969]

Pyrion being a bit too much of a salty baby in this one.

[@Phos9]

Hashtag Team Pablo

[@ratchetqwark89]

lol watching these backwards this is the worst game ever even in late 2023! lmao

[@ratchetqwark89]

and its funny they kept saying daf was doing terribly meanwhile the bristleback lol

[@foobloo101]

I'm not gonna lie, I think it's time to end this series. Daff isn't really getting better and pflax is just getting madder.

[@jjtheblue11]

Comment for the comment god

[@TheBugB]

Yayayayayayayayayayayay

[@recitationtohear]

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