The Most Underrated Watch Brands - Revisited | Armand The Watch Guy

[@martinspilovsky9071]

Just found out the Baume&Mercier Clifton yesterday, that is amazing, pure class, 5 days, silicon spring, antimagnetic, looks pure class really thinking of getting some in the far future,

[@DubenDeFreshDJ]

i own 2 modern B&M and one Vintage and they’re amazing. Finally somebody talk about Baume & Marcier watches.

[@lulolee5325]

Baume&Mercier always been exceptionally well designed high horology timepieces. Watch world is often very strangely close minded and unfair.

[@berryj.greene7090]

We love being unfair. I think Picasso's revolt was all to do with that. Go on have some rubbish you silly person! Maybe these secrets are the answer to it? Fashion plays a big part in it. Weird!

[@lewiswells4460]

@@berryj.greene7090 g fantastic

[@atl3630]

Nothing is fair in this world, fool

[@JohnnyADi]

I would rather get a Longines. They are better with the same complications and more that they don't have. Also more colors and selection.

[@Marius_Sangue]

@@JohnnyADi more doesn't mean better.

[@patrickmainwaring5911]

Subbed because you're the first youtuber that I've found that can actually pronounce the company names properly. Agree with your list too ! Especially Grand Seiko Spring Drive... just an awesome watch!

[@ArmandTheWatchGuy]

+Patrick Mainwaring: Thank you very much for the kind words, I'm very glad that the video was of interest.

[@solitarysoul7604]

Except Omega...

[@augustinf]

He doesn't pronounce Jaeger Lecoultre correctly. It's "jehjer"

[@patrickmainwaring5911]

@@augustinf he literally pronounces it both ways... and then says "depending on how you like to pronounce it"

[@augustinf]

Patrick Mainwaring none of which are correct! And it’s not about how you like to pronounce it.. it’s about how that french family tells you how their family name is pronouned. It’s not « jayjay » it’s « jayjair »

[@fpoynton1604]

Another remarkable job Armand. This is a truly important conversation for us watch enthusiasts to keep in mind. These companies are producing horological and artistic masterpieces which have unsurpassed value proposition, aesthetic and functionality. Breguet type 21 history and design are just beyond reproach - my grail chrono. Thank you again Armand for a fascinating journey!

[@FirestormAA]

What a wonderful detail watch videos by Armand...... really detailed. Can understand lots of research & homework done. Truly appreciated.

[@MariusGabrielRusu]

Right now I'm at minute 20 of 30 on this video. You have my follow. God, your voice is so pleasing and the in-depth explanations are brilliant. Great job and I'll most probably watch the rest of your videos these weeks to come. Cheers from Romania!

[@jordan771]

Totally agree with the Baume & Mercier 5-day Chronometer.

[@drwindsurf]

These videos just get better and better Armand. Thank you for the information and hard work you put into creating these :)

[@markplayford5836]

WOW high horology indeed, makes a Rolex pale into the background somewhat. Yet another pinnacle of interesting and educational watch videos Armand, thank you.

[@antonhallergren588]

Yeah there are watches that do not exist in the same realm as what normal people consider nice watches (Rolex,omega,Tudor,etc,etc...)

[@bg147]

I didn't start collecting until last year but have always liked watches. Baume and Mercier has always been a name that evoked an image of quality.

[@carguy3645]

That last watch you showed here is just absolutely beautiful. I enjoy your posts. Very nice. Keep it up!

[@jumboJetPilot]

Some love for Chronoswiss, awesome! I’ve also thought for years and years that Glashütte Original and Girard Perregaux have deserved more love than they’ve historically received and it seems like both brands are finally getting it. I wished Breguet would bring back a modernized variant of the 1990’s variant of the Marine with its absolutely magnificent bracelet. I don’t like where they’re going with the Marine and a handful of their other models. I WANT to love Breguet but right now, I just can’t. Breguet also needs to offer the guilloché dials in more colors. I know they favor silver guilloché dials but some customers like other dial colors too.

[@daviegoodtimes]

You have a great review. However I don't think anyone can call JLC underrated. Not as ubiquitous as a rolex perhaps but super well known and well respected. Breguet too but perhaps less well known. Instead I would say Nomos, Ball Watch. Highly underrated well finished watches.

[@reezevlog]

JLC is not underrated...☺️😊

[@mdo5121]

Even Federico talked about Brequet when he worked at Watch Box how Brequet does not get the love and appreciation it deserves

[@a.i.5088]

Neither is NOMOS underrated.

[@senseinuuh]

@@a.i.5088 I think nomos is pretty underrated atleast In that sense that common People don't know like they know rolex, omega or patek philippe

[@Feemy]

Citizen is so underrated and never get the attention that Seiko gets.

[@juanmeza7646]

BC THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD jk I do prefer seiko though more house and hand made materials, as far as time keeping goes citizens is very damn hard to beat however.

[@roaminggene2619]

@@juanmeza7646 Citizen has plenty of models that are equal to GS in terms of the finishing and timekeeping and are still cheaper.

[@alec-s]

Nothing to do with seiko.... seiko make watches priced approx 450.000€.... handcrafted tourbillon, hand engraved art pieces

[@vladimirstanescu6616]

Many Citizen watches use Seiko movements, so...

[@patrickohooliganpl]

@@vladimirstanescu6616 I thought Citizen watches use in-house (Miyota) movements ;)

[@georgetown8986]

Baume & Mercier is a very well made watch and a very well respected watch among enthusiasts.

[@davegball]

Very well put together video. Can't imagine the amount of work to produce this.

[@vaughanbowser8354]

Love this piece, thank you, interesting facts and well presented…thought it might be a bit long (at first), but it held my interest. Well done!

[@kylestewart4444]

I’ve always thought that B&M must have drawn the short straw at Richemont because the strength of their brand is so poor but a lot of their watches seem pretty great.

[@shawnsheep5141]

Their watches are appealing but they really don't have much history in watch making. They were basically a dealer so it is very hard to sell a story.

[@nomebear]

My mother owned Baume Mercier time pieces and were beautiful yet understated.

[@yueibm]

The music is one of the "Gymnopedie" pieces by Erik Satie.

[@johnclintonlopez]

I love this song my Son plays it all the time on the piano

[@yueibm]

@@johnclintonlopez A family with great taste!

[@MUNRO13]

Not a dress watch guy but I REALLY like that Baumatic

[@davids9549]

I would like it too, if only it didn't have "BAUMATIC" written in large capitals over the lower half of the watch face, destroying what would otherwise be an elegant dress dial.

[@ZaDude1970]

Great review, will however like to add Oris, & more on the luxury side of watchmaking, Zenith & IWC as underrated watch brands as well.

[@fearnsey8800]

The Baume and Mercier look amazing value proposition

[@DWilliam1]

I’ve owned a B&M Hampton for years and love it. Well built case, beautiful dial and solid ETA movement. Also own a Breguet Type XX Transatlantique which I think is an iconic watch.

[@Jeff-mj1nl]

JLC is sooo underrated. But i think that it‘s their own fault. They are somehow wasting their possibilities. Their current line-up isn‘t that great to be honest. Too many and boring models without any further recogntition value (except for the reverso). JLC has all the craftsmanship and experience in the world, yet it seems like they dont know where they stand in the watch industry. But i still love them :D

[@franco2739]

Nice video. Have to ask what you think of Longines? I would put at #6. The Master is worth a look.

[@blainecole5452]

What the world would be saying had spring drive been invented by the Swiss ?

[@jameshoward9700]

2nd viewing of this - good work, Sir! Ahh, that Breguet... I do like a Spring Drive - just watching the second hand sweep is mesmerising. My Snowflake brings an inner calm to all things.

[@bubbab7792]

Thank you, Armand, very good narrative and video. The discussed companies can improve in the market if they so desire. I am very impressed with BM and GS. Chronoswiss was a surprise. Finally the JLC pocketwatch and Breguet 7727? Speechless.

[@satan500]

Very enjoyable and knowledgeable thanks!

[@paulvsmith]

Completely agree re: Baume & Mercier. Came to exactly the same conclusions myself.

[@jacc88888]

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

[@jimmay4653]

I've just purchased a 2013 MOA10129 Clifton. I love the quality.

[@uzairhashmi2]

Can someone please share the link of the piano played when the vidoe starts

[@uzairhashmi2]

@pyrotechnic5254 thank you so much... So great of you

[@edwinjansen6729]

Enjoyed , as always great video, thank you sir :-)

[@FALLERModellbau]

Amazing video, very informative. Thanks!

[@Yakman18]

I love Erik Satie. Nice choice

[@patrickjean-philippe7679]

JLC has my preference here. I have the Momovox Tribute to Polaris 1968 which was released in 2008, it is a fun and beautiful watch.

[@BenNS1971]

Brilliant. Very interesting video

[@washingtonfootballfanwgil8392]

This is very informative. Thank you.

[@fiatjustitiaruatclum7557]

JLC are the Swiss's Grand Seiko.

[@diegoog3654]

I just received my first JLC today. I've been looking and playing with it for the last 6 hours. Having dinner at midnight.

[@vinceconn1935]

I’m fortunate to have a JLC Polaris and it always makes me smile, the quality of the movement is excellent.

[@diegoog3654]

Hope I can feel the same way for year's to come

[@MrRea112]

Fiat justitia ruat cælum JLC and GS are evenly matched technology wise but I’d say JLC has a personality - a mystique GS would give its right arm for. My humble opinion.

[@davids9549]

@Tesla 4eva Well, I can see both sides of the picture. I have a JLC Master 8 Days Perpetual (rose gold) and I am very pleased with it. I would buy another JLC if they made a simple dress watch with a white dial, but they are all silvered I'm afraid, so I'm still waiting. Wearing a JLC means you care about horology rather than fashion and, in the UK at least, you do not expect most people to have even heard of it. Grand Seiko are similar in that respect, and I would certainly be happy to wear one of their spring drive pieces - their Titanium Snowflake is on my shopping list.

[@TravelsChases]

Thankyou for such an informative video . I am in the market for a proper Gmt travel watch to wear as a daily. I have my eyes on the Baume and Mercier Clifton Club GMT 42mm with the blue perimeter dial , black calfskin strap . My concerns are its durability and reliability. I wouldnt be swimming with it and certainly wouldnt be diving with it , but I am concerned with its ruggedness over time for every day use . As far as its cosmetic look , it is calling me almost 100% Any thoughts on this?

[@JoeGiz64]

GP....very nice pieces...highly underrated.

[@lewiswells4460]

Nice job. Fascinating; Good for Seiko. The Grand Seiko-like 23-jeweled SARB035 (discontinued) is amazing value; and still available. Mine is accurate to about a second/day, if stored in the right position at night.

[@olegk53]

Armand Nicolet L08 diamond bezel,only 50 made, how can I find that?

[@u.u.upatreonrequests8679]

14:26 please tell me its 40mm/42mm

[@justanoonesomeone]

zenith is more underrated than breguet, latter has a shop on 5th ave even

[@BeckVMH]

Very true.

[@chrisman3673]

I love the Clifton, always wanted a watch with an in-house movement, That's what sold me, and definitely underrated.

[@JoeyP-hu3hp]

Hi armand! Ive been a loyal fan of your channel due to its simplicity yet in depth take on watches. There is a slightly used chronoswiss kairos ch2823k(eta2892) that i am looking at for $660. Can u advise me(for free ,hehe)if it is worth the money? I love the aesthetic look of the watch and its size. I hope u can help me. By the way im from d phils. Tks a lot!

[@carl-ok9gn]

I dont know much about watches, but i think the watches you used in your intro are running a bit fast.

[@annleland6422]

I really like Breguet. Hope to get one when I save enough money.

[@carl-ok9gn]

I'm a US Marine. I wear g-shocks. I've broken 2 of them so far from some of the things we do. I am starting to get into watches and i am looking for a mechanical watch. I wouldn't wear one into combat or during training. But i am fascinated by them. Anybody willing to help me out with suggestions on what to start getting? I'm poor.. ha. My max budget is $120. I'd really like a durable mechanical watch. Something that can handle being roughed up a bit and the high volume of shooting i do. Even if it's not mechanical, is there something other than a g-shock for $120 or less, or maybe multiple watches up to that point you'd suggest i start looking at to get into this? I am grateful for any advice.

[@davids9549]

carl, I think the simple answer is no. I did a physical job like you, and as far as watches were concerned we fell into three camps: the G-Shock club, the Omega club and the Rolex club. I was with the Rolex guys, and still have the watch which saw mw through my service undamaged (both me and the watch!). My advice to you is to save your money for the Rolex which best suits your requirements, and until then - go watchless!

[@mrmungbean847]

Look into a seiko 5 or Swatch 51

[@rickbar123]

120 bucks ?? Forget it.

[@ricotallud349]

Check out an Orient field watch

[@NorskSokkel]

This has puzzled me for a long time. Baume & Mercier make some great watches (among, admittedly, some not so great ones - that are usually priced accordingly, mind you). Watch enthusiasts seem stunningly slow to catch on, though. Oh well. Makes for some pretty amazing second hand bargains, I guess.

[@libanaisdelyon245]

Baume&Mercier wonderful

[@burkholdst.rudderberg3574]

Bulova ( owned by Citizen ) is the most underrated extant watch brand. Atlantic, Vulcain, West End Watch, and Zeno Watch Basel are a few brands that deserve more recognition.

[@a.langefestina8999]

Baume&Mercier fantastich!

[@jumboJetPilot]

Another maker that interests me is Perrelet. Same with RGM.

[@mols0n]

Couple of things 1) Don't buy a B&M at retail unless you get it 40% off 2) GS is great, but what do you mean GS has the best finishing? Their dial finishing is great but their movement finishing is mostly by machine. GS bracelets are well finished but average construction. You can say GS has the best movement finishing in their price range. Also the Spring Drive is a innovative marvel. 3) JLC is great and very underappreciated but non-watch enthusiasts. I heard someone pick up a JLC Duometre 2nd hand for almost the same price as a Rolex 116500 Daytona - insane. 4) Breguet is a good company but their watches are priced to high. At their price range, they are competing with the likes of A Lange and Sohne & Patek. You can't tell me that Breguet's watches match the quality of Lange or the history of Patek.

[@shashankshukla8182]

Ribrianne some might,perhaps at their own peril, say that A Lange are slightly overrated

[@brianhenson4849]

B&M is a great watch. My Capeland is one of my favorite in my collection

[@nilsmagwalt1308]

And what about brands like Eterna, Orient (OrientStar, Royal Orient), Graham, Ball for example?

[@dominicflorov2752]

They are not underrated.

[@MrChickster12]

I really fancy the bane mericer as my dress watch in what will ultimately be a six watch collection, don’t expect to wear it too often so won’t be spending massive money on it

[@malthus101]

A movement the size of a match-head? 20:12 I don't think so...

[@ArmandTheWatchGuy]

+malthus101: Well, it is a bit longer than a match head but does still remain roughly the same width.

[@sickboy2155]

If you are located in France and you purchase a Baume & Mercier watch, be aware that they outsource their maintenance to a company called SM25, based in Besançon (a company with a meager capital of 7K and poor Google reviews). When you buy a watch, you are also investing in the after-sales service. For French customers, this is a subpar service outsourced to the "local mechanic."

[@RedcoatsReturn]

Good video. Are not all these very expensive to be at all underrated?

[@yoganathan001]

Dear Armand, Thank you so much for your wisdom and knowledge as well as for the entertaining presentation. Many of those who 'choose' Rolex are particularly 'sheep like' in their 'mentality' : Rolex is a good brand, but it is no Patek Philippe, nor will it ever be; let us ALL be clear on this point ! Most 'opinions' are entirely subjective, but your 'subjective objectivity' (paradoxical in its conception, I know) is so refreshing, if only by way of an education for 'The Unevolved' ! Thank you Armand, and once again. Yoga

[@MrDoggerDog]

Let's not confuse "underrated" with "overlooked." Those who buy these brands rate them quite highly, almost too highly sometimes, so they're not underrated per se. And since they're not mainline brands, and they are rated quite highly, perhaps the term "overlooked" is more apt. Example: I own a Domasko which a lot don't know about, but everywhere I go online, Domasko owners are rating these pieces as highly as they can. So one could say they're an overlooked brand, but fetching high reviews, so they're not underrated. Just my two cents.

[@mrfuriouser]

I believe you are correct, however, you may be overlooking exactly why Armand chose the title as such- KZbin's suggestive viewing algorithm. It favors more sensational, click-baity titles before true, honest ones. I blame Google. Armand is just a player in their game...

[@robertfatoulatchi9482]

You mean damasko?

[@fearnsey8800]

What is the watch with the leather strap and fluted bezel in the intro sequence that resembles a Rolex ??

[@babakjamali6551]

nice watches the baum & mercier Clifton I find the straps thin for its size on all models

[@howardjdownes]

Excellent informative, thoroughly engaging video during which I found myself pressing 'pause' in order to linger a while longer in admiration of the delicate craftsmanship wonderfully shown and explained. Mandatory viewing for anyone, like myself, exploring the world of watches to a level not previously explored, captivated from the outset by the tones of an impeccably spoken voiceover narration. Superb !

[@franckdelyon2039]

Baume&Mercier number1

[@kylestewart4444]

I would absolutely love to own a Grand Seiko. I’ve never owned any Seiko watches before so I’m not even close to a Seiko fanboy but the Grand Seiko pieces really appeal to me. Unfortunately, I can’t afford one and the prices are only going to go up.

[@paulandsueroberts4121]

Love Breguet.

[@TimberWolfsDen]

Really love your work, Armand.

[@charlesbrickenhof]

Wow - thank you!

[@tomazkokolj]

Just to clarify something: A standard high-beat is 10 Hz (10 ticks per second) and not 5 Hz. 72000 ticks per hour would be 20 Hz (20 ticks per second). The equation is simple: f (Hz) = 1/T(s)

[@midlifemom5829]

My husband would like to purchase 25th anniversary gift /watch for me. This would my first “luxury “ piece. Our 3k budget is considered low-end. I am torn btwn Cartier Tank (small , link stainless steel) and BM Hampton (same style). I have a classic understated style and am not influenced by popular Cartier name. Which brand would u recommend? I just want to get the best our budget could buy. Thank you for your help!

[@leestrada1]

J'en ai une Baume Mercier Chronographe, avec le calibre Lemania 283. Le fonctionnement c'est extrêmement supple et elegant. Merci pour ton video.

[@leeattwood5443]

Excellent dialogue ✌🏼

[@4034miguel]

I think the most underrated Brand is CITIZEN. Their 'The Citizen" quartz watches are as accurate as Seiko, adding a perpetual calendar function and one of the best titanium cases and bracelets (many times harder than SS and very hard to scratch, retaining the litheness). Fallowing Citizen will be Orient and its Orient Star collection. Affordable complicated timepieces.

[@mwesten3444]

Citizen Grand Signature in particular. Exceptional workmanship, and can be had for the amount of sales tax on some of the others.

[@jorgem8384]

Looking back at this video on 2019. Jaeger crowned itself for a long time

[@stevenob9818]

What is the name of the piano piece in the intro?

[@briancho8656]

Eric satie gymnopedie no1

[@cedarcanoe]

Breguet clearly is superior to PP, VC and AP. No doubt about that.

[@peetiegonzalez1845]

Breguet is Swatch group. I do love their watches, but technically they're not even in-house movements.

[@AndrewBestafka]

Fantastic!!!

[@ErrantCape7616]

0.10 what is that watch called?

[@TheFlyrodder68]

All fine watches and I disagree that they are underrated. Many will acquire these watches if they are more affordable. Underrated they are not but more like overpriced for the average folks.

[@publiusvelocitor4668]

I really can't agree that Jaeger LeCoultre is underrated; it gets plenty of attention and accolades. I would have put Universal Geneve on here, in its place. Overall a very nice and thoughtful video, though.

[@pauldavies9478]

I thought that the modern wristwatch was based on the Cartier Santos Dumont,but you say it was Breguet?

[@reezevlog]

i love it if GS stays underrated.....

[@James-hb6ee]

Ya, the Big Three really should be the Big Seven, F.P. Journe, JLC, Breguet and ALS should all be classed as top rank, not second tier in any way. Nice video though, I learned a lot abour BeM and ChronoSwiss.

[@mirandaadrian78]

Name of this song?

[@NFournaridis]

Love your write up. However, I can get an Oris with the exact same hardware, specifications - AND, independently owned...for almost 1,000 cheaper. That's my only gripe with B&M. Otherwise, they do make super handsome pieces.

[@giovannilazzarotto5032]

Funny how differenr tastes are. I don't like the lines on the Clifton but enjoy the simplicity of the Classima.

[@TomasLonga]

Excellent video. Thank you.

[@phyrexianghxst493]

Grand Seiko is now getting some light shone upon right now

[@friscokid66]

JL is a very very respected brand.

[@kalinradoulov3760]

Many very good,depend the pocket $

[@InGratitudeIam]

100 meters is more than enough for recreational scuba diving provided you don't exceed twice the working pressure, i.e., your maximum depth for that dive. That is to say, go no deeper than 50 meters and you'll be fine. Sunlight starts to go away around 33 meters. Watch companies stress WR ratings needlessly to boost sales.

[@roaminggene2619]

Correction: Chroniswiss USED TO be a wonderfully underrated brand while G-R Lang was at the helm and the watches could be had for $2-4K. Personally, I find the current ownership's wide design forays cheapen the brand, not to mention their prices aren't what they used to be in the 1990s.

[@willrenwick316]

I would say that union glashutte, mido, muhle glashutte and montblanc are underrated brands