The Mouse Community Has Gone Insane (shocking)

[@na34-w1b]

"The skypad sleeve wearing, lamzu atlantis mini ninjutso sora using... um people"

[@NeonMako]

TBF to them, I imagine playing on glass makes a huge difference between a 60g and a 40g> mouse. Plus most glass users are a special kind of autistic.

[@veechaeuphrates8512]

It's the Optimum way to play, though.

[@greippuli9166]

@@veechaeuphrates8512 no

[@blackdemonrala]

lol​@@veechaeuphrates8512

[@shiion6711]

​@@veechaeuphrates8512yeah it is so don't copy him because it's his way not yours

[@vladbivol8153]

Might have to go gym to lift this mouse

[@YokaiLoner]

Dont Bother youd have to be an Olympic body builder to even get it off the desk

[@oliverjames8580]

Noodle arms spotted :)))

[@Boofski]

@@oliverjames8580 I wrist curl half the stack and find mice over 60g too heavy

[@theltenetwork9203]

Must be on the electric chair with how shocking this is ⚡️

[@xliMaGiclx]

Am still using the xm1r wired for certain games, I go back and forth between the xm1r and the beast x mini. I realized I actually do better using bigger and heavier mouse despite my small hands. But using a lighter mouse feels like I can play for hours. In the end it all comes down preferences.

[@KinSaniTriGaming]

damn 60g are too heavy these days? Must not have hit the gym that morning. On a real note: dropping weight for reduced shape integrity is a trade I would never take. the 60g weight honestly just hits that nice balance of feel when moving the mouse.

[@StaySic4Ever]

Using XE ~70g mouse and for sure shape, grip width and button height more important at this range of weight. I can't use a smaller mouse and I definitely don't want a mouse with holes for few lower grams, heck most don't even seem to have reduced weight you'd expect, just seeing full shell that have around same or lower even. Good shape, full shell, further reduce weight as extra. So I'm all for going lower weight while retaining good shape and full shell, at least the visible side vs bottom.

[@flumfyducky]

Getting this on my birthday I changed my mind from atlantis to xm2w

[@joshdeconcentrated2674]

To me, it seems like the community is very divided between going tunnel vision on either lightweight mice or mice with focus on overall quality / general feel. Ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and what you'll feel better using / play better with. I think that as a company, if you make either a super lightweight mouse with okay quality, or a mouse that focuses on incredible quality, no matter what, the product will appeal to one demographic and get hate from the other. It's impossible to please everyone. For me, I prefer light weight over things like quality, so I buy mice and heavily mod them and take out every inch of plastic till its a creaking mess; but then I have a super light mouse, and that's my preference. I don't think I would enjoy a mouse like this over something like a lamzu atlantis. Despite that, I still see the appeal of something like this, or other mice from companies like vaxee, endgame, zowie, etc. who focus more on general quality and shape over light weight. It doesn't make sense to me that others with my preference will hate on these mice when they have a clear demographic. If they don't like the weight, they can rip out the plastic, or just not buy the mouse.

[@SireEvalish]

The problem is that multiple companies have demonstrated that they can make lightweight mice that feel great in the hand. My X2V2 mini has no creaking or any other build issues while weighing about 10g less than the EGG mouse and being cheaper, for example.

[@joshdeconcentrated2674]

@@SireEvalish Pulsar is known for having big QC issues. your chances of getting a bad copy is pretty high with them. and 10g is not a lot considering the insane size difference. for its size, the x2v2 mini is not a lightweight mouse. I would expect a lightweight mouse in that sort of size range to be 10-15g lighter.

[@Exyile]

you really dont need a 35 gram mouse for claw

[@boardzy]

I will die on this hill

[@Tjay07]

Facts. I got crucified on Reddit for saying I prefer 55-65g mouse for claw grip

[@maximkikena622]

Whats your cs rank

[@Shyvorix]

​@maximkikena622 What if we don't play CS lol? I hit Masters like 5 times on Apex but stopped since not much content came out at the time for months. Could've hit Apex Pred with friends but none of us have the time to play for 6+ hours a day every day for weeks lmao.

[@maximkikena622]

@aeroecars wait till you find out 99 % of the pro scene are paid to used outdated plastic mice cause they want money xD you failed to realize that? Not smart are you?

[@zhafranabiyyudarwisyh1250]

"60 gram is too heavy" what the- are these people didnt have wrist muscle?!!

[@misterpoppins]

60 gram is too heavy tho

[@lil_sadness]

from beastx to x2a, i can really feel the difference, from 55 to 60 its probably hard cope

[@marwanelhamassi6339]

ITS HEAVY FR, I HAVE A CUSTOM MOUSE 37G, USING THE VIPER V3 PRO LAMSU MAYA AND ATLANTIS I FEEL THE DIFF

[@Lekser]

Toddlers discovered mice community and are propaganding 10g mice, meanwhile real chads just use whatever shape they like

[@carboncopy8]

@@marwanelhamassi6339 noone says that the difference is not noticeable, but its not "TOO heavy"

[@youjohn__]

The beast pad with the beast x mini would be goated

[@JVIoneyman]

The weight is not optimal but not a big deal. Unfortunately my XM2w 4k has an above average amount of creaking. Not sure if it’s just mine but I heard a few others say this as well.

[@boardzy]

White or dark frost?

[@JVIoneyman]

@@boardzy dark frost

[@gregm1855]

@@JVIoneymaninteresting. No creaks on my dark frost

[@sergiomendiola4611]

Been on the discord. Almost no reports of creaking. Even modded my mouse and cut a few of the wall supports: still no creaking. I'd let customer support know.

[@Hypnotify]

We actually need someone to restore some sense to this community. Also yes, please make a video about latency. I've personally lost it already

[@shiion6711]

It doesn't matter anymore your internet speed matters more

[@kanitsrvng]

I seen this happening a long time ago when I first got deeper into the mouse community. There are some really dull minded 'duh, light means good' mfs out there with terrible aim and still complain about weighting. The same sense in which the pen community is popping up. This goofy attitude is honestly what's tearing the community apart. Though people are negligent and choose not to see when something has gone too far.

[@tinocabral4201]

@@shiion6711the speed doesn’t matter that’s only for download and uploads

[@mihuuuu]

​@@tinocabral4201 you are right but i think he meant latency and packet stability, you know, things that will help your connection perform better.

[@tinocabral4201]

@ true

[@dr_hate]

I modded my XM2 8k to 42 grams, I just prefer the lighter weight. Would still use it with 52/60 grams though because of the shape/clicks/coating

[@crazyforcs]

How did you do that?

[@dr_hate]

@@crazyforcsCutting the base/shell

[@sergiomendiola4611]

Got it to 55. Kinda considering taking a Dremel to the base.

[@hinchlikescake7592]

The lighter the weight the more control you have and takes less force to grip and use. Hence why enthusiasts in the gaming mouse market are into it. There's nothing wrong with more premium mice with better build quality. You kind of get what you pay for but at the same time not everyone wants to spend over $100 on a mouse. Especially if you buy one and you don't even get on the with shape or buttons.

[@cotneit]

Switched to OP1 8k a few months ago, but XM1r will forever be in my heart (btw thank you very much for recommending both)

[@Billy_The_Frog]

Imo, the mouse is considered light as long as it's 70g or less. I stopped looking at mice weight the moment they reached less than 70g, which was around the time the viper mini was released. I remember someone calling the Maya X a brick at 47g and i was flabbergasted. I don't go to the gym but I think that anyone who finds 60g heavy genuinely needs to hit the gym.

[@tinocabral4201]

Bro I have the OG Maya which isn’t that much lighter than the X and that thing feels like a feather. Who tf would call it a brick 😭😭

[@Billy_The_Frog]

@@tinocabral4201 some dude with a sprime pm1 mouse

[@takutolovex]

I agree with most of this, but not everyone's body and stamina is the same.

[@null0452]

no one finds them heavy in literal sense. But use 40g mouse for a while and it will feel underwhelming to go back to 60g. Still shape is most important tho i play with xm1r even after buying htx cause of insane shape and coating. i still would like it much lighter

[@tinocabral4201]

@ 40 ish gram mice feel fine and nice but when I use controller for a bit and go back to mnk it feels way too light 😂

[@Delbs1]

I guess people forgot the actual RJN tip: Shape is KING Lower weights can help with consistency, but a shape that can give you consistency of movement is much more important.

[@ZWortek]

A high quality feeling ~60g mouse does not feel worse than a ~40g mouse IMO because there is a tradeoff with robustness. Love my Ultralight X, but I also love my Viper V3 Pro and XM2W 4K. Honestly is nice to just cycle through my various mice on a regular basis.

[@boardzy]

Agreed

[@null0452]

it depends on the shape mostly. my htx is absolutely flawless in terms of build quality same for htr and hsk pro.

[@lulkaku]

I feel you boardzy. I truly know how that pissed off Zowie rep on the EC2-CW feels now. People online don't know what they're talking about 😂😂😂😂

[@iNViSiBiLiTi]

they were asking $150/180 Euro for that mouse, it was just absurdly expensive.

[@lulkaku]

@ price wasn’t the ONLY thing people were freaking about tho. People freaking out about weight, LOD, and click latency. But no one is gonna notice shit that’s my point.

[@ALEX336X]

The XM2W was my first lightweight premium mouse. When I first opened it I thought I had been shipped just the shell and the intervals weren’t in it lol. It feels like air. Yall need to lift some weights. Holly shit

[@HellSpawnRulerOfHell]

Anything over ~30-40 grams is poopoo for me. I got my MZ1 to 38g, my M3 Micro to 31g, and my Keychron M4 to 27g. And my performance absolutely has gotten better the lighter my mice got.

[@starplatinumrqm]

are you a 45kg stick irl by any chance?

[@HellSpawnRulerOfHell]

@@starplatinumrqm lol no, I'm about 95kg.

[@nameless.0190]

I switched back to my old RVU which is 75g, because my Sora started having sensor issues after a year. My performance is not much different tbh, only for the first week or two it was worse.

[@notTerabyte]

(tl;dr at bottom) the way i see it is that if you're using a tool that requires precision, it would be preferred if it is easier to control in use sure you could use a mouse that weighs 250 grams, but if you're playing fps games and will be doing large swipes with it then you have to put in more effort to stop the mouse where you want to more weight = more inertia, more force required to stop the mouse, newton's laws of motion, yada yada at some point, you need to find what weight works best for you to have the most control on your mouse also, side note, if you're using a heavy mouse and are using one for precision-related tasks, you could end up getting rsi; i knew a guy who's voltaic gm who used a g502 and ended up giving himself rsi tl;dr: lighter mice are generally easier to control, find a weight that allows you to be more precise with your mouse

[@Lekser]

Truly Shocking

[@travispoole3831]

I'm using a scyrox V8 and have op1k, razer v3, maya 8k. The Scyrox feels light but feels like crap glide wise, I'm using x-raypad obsid's on all. The scyrox is a great shape for me due to hand size but feels to light.

[@maxzoRHD]

I think 45- 50g should be the avg for that size, and people would prob complain a bit less. 3:01 fuck i posted a comment before this moment. 4:33 Personaly i really enjoy the limited, and premium materials used hype, im 26 and i can finaly afford to try out all the "best" stuff, and kinda just collect and try out everything, my main is Akitsu for now, i only play CS2, and before that started from COD2/COD4/CSGO etc..

[@fwabble]

I entirely agree with this video (see the light - no pun) now talk about the 4/8k scam. I could accept a somewhat weak argument for 2K at very high refresh rates like say 360hz+ if it added next to nothing to the price but for 99.999% of users 1K is the smart(est) choice. The scam is in the marketing and the (forced) pricing increase.

[@ravens5288]

I can’t feel the difference between my pulsar x2h mini and the endgame gear xm2w.. and it’s a 10 gram difference.

[@MatteDesigns]

Weight is crazy to complain about now a days lmao, anything -65 is fine, I prefer small mice since I have lil boy hands, so the HTX and the new HTS2 have been my go to

[@dr4zah]

the price point is my issue is the $150 for the s2. im sure the zowie s2-w is absolutely amazing, S tier but the fantech helios II pro s is less than $100, same shape, and really premium. so its like eh... why i gave up waiting for the xm2. i still love the xm1r and the op1 wired is amazing. but i dont really see a reason to spend over $100 for a premium mouse

[@pandoragaming9764]

I went back to the GPW at 80 grams and it genuinely felt better to grip than some of my poorly balanced 50 gram mice. GPX at 60-63 still felt incredibly good to use. The community needs to get behind weight balancing first before total weight because poorly balanced weight will do much worse for your aim than an extra 5 grams.

[@mustypipes6602]

It is the same thing regarding the cable now to, to be fair. People, even though have technically been gaming on a cable longer than without one. Not that wireless is and has been a thing, to me it is almost like people then created a cord boogieman and now they think it was holding them back all this time with the plethora of drag and restrictions the cord brength. When in reality with the proper bungie and placement, as light as these paracords are, simply placebo because people have adjusted, just like the weight issue. So now they think they can't. Tell that to my OP18k which will unless we get tech so powerful we get cancer on the spot will beat out any wireless mouse in the charging and response category, bruh...

[@affinity601]

Hardstuck gamer with something to “prove” are easily separated from their money. If this wasnt the case, cheating in games wouldnt be a multi billion dollar industry. Marketers know this and people eat this shit up. If u wanna be a true gamer, hit the caffeine

[@pelagia1538]

I wish companies would take more risks with shapes. Weights and polling rates have gotten pretty silly.

[@tknx5909]

The problem with the XM2w is that the Atlantis regular has been out forever now. So what are they really bringing to the table? If shape is king, then weight is queen. And I expect that large mice will start heading towards the 40s soon enough.

[@silverzyx]

@@aeroecars Have you experienced both of the mice? Lamzu Atlantis OG V2 4K is available in my area but the XM2w isnt. I was gravitating towards the xm2w for the shape but now I'm confused whether waiting for its availability will be worth it or not.

[@kevincampos766]

Xm2 has a better shape imo. You literally dont even need a lower weight for claw wtf.

[@casull2041]

and the creak, don't forget about the creak 😂​@@aeroecars

[@Ottoni174]

idk man, i played with high end mice (v3 pro, endgear, lamzu) and i still go back to my chinese ajazz because of the shape, also, chinese companies are releasing solid mice at +- 40g and 8k polling rate, idk why big brands aren't doing the same

[@Splomf]

​@@aeroecars how's the Atlantis mini for fingertip/claw?

[@OmnipotentO]

I loved the xm1r way back when and did the pre-order when they went live. After years of radio silence hopefully I get my copy for free soon. Can't wait.

[@sharpshooter28]

i never tried this shape before looks cool

[@Lambo-ux3uh]

im not people but i want fingertip mice that is for sure, excited to see what pulsar has coming

[@Faulter377]

Now you're probably gonna see a lot of people doing Forearm curls in the gym ...

[@JimsTechWorld]

Very true, I actually performed very well on FK2 as its my favorite shape.

[@MrThaigamer]

“60g is too heavy” -laugh in 77g Cobra Pro

[@dakotahawley]

I really hope endgame gear comes out with a egro version, I'd buy that

[@dakotahawley]

Ima fingertip user with big hands, my pulsar xlite died recently and I replaced it with a zowie ec2, it's ok with a few cons, not my favorite coating feels a little slick, a bit long and has a loud scroll wheel.

[@xenoborg007]

If you are using anything that isn't a glass pad / fast pad, mouse weight is the least of your problems. You aren't going to notice the extra milliseconds dragging 10g more over a muddy control pad.

[@moots27]

Its not heavy, but its also not competitive. For a lot of people shaving of every 10 grams makes a noticeable difference. I think what most people just mean is unless the mouse is form fitted to perfection to your hand or has some crazy technology advancements, what is the point of getting this mouse over other more competitive mice?

[@TheRealAstro_]

I loved seeing people hype up the OP1 8K and picking it for 'lower latency'. Bro thats just peak BS nobody can tell the latency difference between these top tier mice and that one. Now u have a cable attached to your mouse that, while its not bad, has way more impact on aiming than fractions of milliseconds ever will

[@sxnthwave]

election

[@goochipoochie]

"Omg i lift 5kg in gym 70gm mice is too light for my manly wrists you all are just whining for no reasoN" Yeah but you don't have to lift that 5kg in 0.0005 second in two completely opposite directions fighting momentum and inertia and still achieve 1 pixel accuracy, all multiple times over in a single second. So yeah, every single gram matters on a mouse

[@Gussmanisk]

Just got this one today. My search is finally over. Adding big corepads to this one made it 10/10.

[@corvusgaming1577]

does it have the same feet size as the xm1 or xm2we? mine arrives friday

[@Gussmanisk]

@ xm2we!

[@Gussmanisk]

@ xm2we

[@tinocabral4201]

I need to find a mouse shape my hands like while playing fast shooting games as well as relaxed games. I use the Maya rn which I love for shooters but if I’m just on my computer or on a slow game my hand just hates it

[@Blazeadc]

Hello, im currently using g640 mousepad and i want to upgrade it but with the same feeling as g640, can someone recommend please?

[@GHZZZ1]

This was indeed shocking information.

[@HaileN]

I pulled out my classic FK2 for fun and performed even better than I do with my SL clone mouse. Nitpicking a lot of these things is pointless if you haven't lessened user-error

[@kanitsrvng]

It doesn't help that this community has always been toxic to change. I'll throw an example; This whole pen thing, where people know and truly understand it's a niche, and that the tech is a bit too different and complicated for it to become a normie thing, though people choose to stand on this hill where as if one KZbinr or TikToker says something about it and that it's good, that's suddenly what needs to become a normalized thing. Not gonna lie, I do miss when China mice were on the peak edge of what they could be. I've seen so many companies come and go in the mouse market and some jump out, simply because of the silly behavior of the community. We used to have a TON of really good, unique, different, and interesting shapes come into the community. Now, we're at a standstill for like the umpteenth time again. I have to disagree with you on a few things, grip width and button height being lower and slimmer, I don't think it's always better, as categorizing things this way is simply just limiting. Everyone's going to perform different despite how a mouse is shaped. I think the whole button height and width thing is only a commonly spoken on thing strictly because it's what a majority of users prefer versus the people we often forget about. Hopefully we'll see change, hopefully we'll come a lot further and start seeing and implementing newer tech in the future rather than chasing a shape and a weight, as I think the mouse community can use more futurized technology in a lot of areas. Bless bro, you always put out good word though, thanks for the video.

[@latvianpotatoe]

The shape matters a lot. My GPX2 is a lot easier to flick than my xlite v3 even with a similar weight. 40g is just much safer for me to know it’ll be easy to snap and aim.

[@lucaschenJC]

most entertaining mouse review channel! shocking...

[@breakies]

im still rockin the lamzu atlantis OG because there is nothing better for me there yet. let me tell you i would not feel the like 4gramm diff to the xm2w. shape is king, therefore both of these are amazing.

[@null0452]

Whats suprising about it? we are at the peak of tech innovation. And making ultra lightweight mouse doesnt mean it will have shit quality, recent g wolves releases show that. Im all for shape innovation, im still using g303se instead of my htx cause the shape is just that good. But still i would much prefer it to be lighter. The truth is that if you would give me xm2 8k and xm1r i would prob only tell the difference from weight and thats why people are obsessed over it

[@ShockAims1]

Why the hate on the Hitscan Hyperlight? Same shell integrity as my Op1we while being 20 grams lighter. I think it's a great mouse.

[@null0452]

price i guess. Atk f1 extreme is lighter have 8k out of the box and is cheaper yet still build quality can be wonky

[@protfire3786]

Imagine having small enough hand where xm2w is a claw grip

[@mxbln]

you get my thumbs up just from the intro

[@lightcore1]

The problem here is - I think - that EGG is known as a company that loves advancing and loves pushing boundaries. People, including me, have high standards for EGG and there just isn't any good reason as to why this mouse has to weigh 62 grams. It's not that people can't manouver a 62g mouse, it's the fact that it'd have been so easy to improve it even further and it makes it feel like a half-assed release again or some relic from a time where EGG originally designed it. The GPX2 that is basically a year old has decent build structure and comes in at around ~55g if you just don't use the puck and remove the magnets. The VV3Pro which has reaaally good build structure comes in at even less. Even without any mod. And these are also mice that come with a good coating, crazy good performance and in case of the VV3Pro they are even bigger mice, so what here justifies these 62g? The xm2w 4k just offers nothing that makes this weight justifiable. Keep in mind this mouse has been awaited by many for years and considering the time they took to design it it's just a letdown. It's just hard to imagine you wouldn't be able to cut this down to 55g or even 50g or maybe even less if we look at the Maya X with a tiny bit of more thought put into it. This in combination with the fact that they still didn't fix the creaking on the frost units is just turning this into a disappointing release. Rare time I genuinely whole-heartedly disagree with you Boardzy.

[@mikerzisu9508]

💯 agree with this. I am not a mouse engineer, but if all of these other companies are able to do it, EGG can too. Just feels half assed to me. The same can be said about vaxee.

[@boardzy]

I agree there should be high standards for endgame gear and creaking issues are unacceptable, but they haven't been known to push weight boundaries. The op18k is a 50g small wired mouse and the wireless version will weigh 60g. They have the wired XM2 8k at 52g which is worth noting, I don't feel 61g (on my scale) stock wireless for a quality build on a larger mouse is outdated. Comparing a warranty voiding GPX mod to a stock mouse is a bit unfair. The Atlantis with thinner plastic and bottom cutouts weighs 55g and nobody cares, but endgame gear chooses internal structure over a handful of grams and it's the end of the world. I generally agree with your comments/takes as well so I wanted to address this, I 100% believe if you got the mouse in hand you wouldn't care about the weight

[@lightcore1]

@@boardzy I am actually personally using the XM2 8k as I don't mind the wire, but I'm trying to understand the POV of the people that do mind it. It just doesn't fit into the big picture if we compare it to the other options on the market. To be fair taking out the Puck is not warranty-voiding, I believe the puck is not even in the mouse when you open the box (maybe wrong on this) and even with the Puck that does nothing the GPX2 is still lighter and we are talking about a release that is just so old already and that's just completely dismissing the VV3Pro release. It's not like people are asking EGG to perform the "next step". It's just they wonder why their 2-years-in-the-making xm2w 4k doesn't even hold up to industry standards that got set by Razer - a brand that's not necessarily known to push the "enthusiast-scene" forward either... It's not the dealbreaker as some people make it out to be and I'm absolutely on your side when you say 62g is still worth playing on and by no means something that'd kill the mouse, but considering the other options on the market I just don't understand why anyone would choose to buy this xm2w 4k over any other recent release unless you REALLY love the shape and hate wires. It's easy to forget as someone who sees mice and mousepads as a hobby that the average consumer - even in our nieche scene - buys this product to use it - possible for a large time - and also decides for/against this on a budget. And I - personally - just don't see any real reason to buy this mouse. But I also don't hate wires, so what do I know...

[@dunnile]

Ngl im gonna be using my xm2we for the next few years still. I really didnt even notice a difference in switching to an 8k polling razer mouse, maybe thats just me lol

[@lnbabz]

Super lightweight mice are fun and interesting but at the end of the day If I had to go pro, I'd be maining a close to 60g mouse with good battery life, coating, sensor and clicks like the VV3 Pro or GPX2, Zowie or Vaxee.

[@LucyScarlet-m5l]

people forgot that the low weights are only benefital for pure finegertip players..

[@StevenP015]

I'm just got a x2h es yesterday it's 65g I wouldn't mind it being 55g-60g but overall it's a really solid mouse and I don't mind the weight

[@jeloneq7]

EC-2 shape is nigh unusable for clawgrip. From the classics I would love to see SS RIVAL 300* low weight wireless come out. And G403 same specs, light and wireless. And yes 60grams is light, but not enough. My current is 47g with cable. Would like to go lower. *the only good product SS ever produced IMO.

[@Matt-gf4gd]

Not to be THAT guy, because I sort of agree with you .. but it does make it stand out when you do have nice that are half the weight, have good build quality and cost less. This coming from a Vaxee enjoyer... And i wish my np-01s weighed 50g and not 70g.

[@m1kesoul]

Vaxee xes and zowie u2 are my heaviest mice and I have no issues switching from my op1 8k or ulx cheetah. Dudes is trippin when they think 60g is too heavy

[@sakalito]

I am boomer and after trying several different mice with different weight from 40g to 70g NP01s, have to say my prefference is around 60g, i loose control with extra light mouse.

[@glashausAimz2]

if it's not sub 50g its a brick in 2024. end of story.

[@jmantv7]

Mouse community has been hating on the GPX superlight a lot and no reason why exactly, especially on reddit. Bad skates? People change them even when the skates are alr good/decent. You don't need a 20-40 gram mouse for claw lol

[@null0452]

the thing is its just mid, not bad not good just mid. Shape is very generic it works for most but many people (me included) will cater to something thats more claw grip focused like zowie za13 s2, xm1r, op1. the weight isnt game changer for claw grip (im still using xm1r) but you see more and more 40g mice that costs somewhere around 50$, obviously gpx will feel bland in comparison

[@GankAlpaca]

As always boardzy with the best takes

[@Frozoken]

Please make a video on the sensor differences. Really wanna know if you think its worth caring about 🙏

[@Shmeages]

I got my free one today I am happy. TBH the weight difference is not noticeable

[@jackl7566]

heavier helps me for some reason because my hands lowkey shake when playing

[@MeowTow]

Lighter just feels nicer. Going back to 60g+ feels horrible

[@bravado2809]

I've been shocked.

[@brzt4256]

I use a barbell as a mouse because it's the optimal shape.

[@jeremylandry70]

Video 2 of requesting a Tekkusai - The Beast mousepad review! Great video.

[@joeyp394]

i own a lot of sub 60gram mice and still use a wired za13 till i get the wireless one

[@myck7021]

Razer Viper V2 pro (used) $50 roughly on Amazon or one of these Chinese mice?

[@YurttheSilentChief1]

Weight is a preference. Those people shouldn't be speaking when they put all their attributes into aim and nothing else.

[@jayjay00agnt]

I prefer to think of it as these other mice users who can't handle a 60g one are just physically weaker and inferior creatures 🤷🏻‍♂️.

[@null0452]

or just used 40g mice. 60g is obviously playable but saying that lighter is worse is laughable especially when its very noticable during aiming sessions

[@rpns.3403]

Boardzy, the Pulsar Xlite v3 wont pinch my ring finger. Will the E1 pinch my ring finger?

[@mrwater2033]

I'm using a 118g mouse lol. 52-60g are extremely light for me😶😶 it's more important to find that something feels and perform better for you than to follow "best mice 2k24" or what not. pros and cons with everything I guess

[@Katze822228]

I agree, overall quality with no flexing or creeking is way more important than a couple grams less weight as long as it's not above like 75g. But on click latency I disagree. At least to me a mouse with 4ms click latency feels noticably worse than a mouse with close to 0ms. Having the physical click sound and feel line up exactly with the click registration makes clicking on stuff a lot more intuitive and easier. And it also makes timing things like rocket jumps more intuitive. And btw that "negative" click latency from the GX speed mode where the click actuates before the click sound and feel doesn't work for me either. "Negative" click latency is in my oppinion almost as bad as positive click latency. Games are not about clicking as fast as possible like a human benchmark test, they're about precise timing.

[@goochipoochie]

Anything above 50g is unusable for low sensitivity mudpad player Every single gram on your mouse adds to additional reaction time in mouse movement, most taps end fights in 0.0025s where a 75g mouse has literally no chance to compete

[@Katze822228]

@@goochipoochie I'm not saying that weight does not matter. It does. But the mouse not flexing is important too. If you grip your mouse and there's some give, that negatively affects aim aswell and it's far worse than a couple grams more. Also there is no fps game in which fights last only 0.0025s (=2.5ms) lol. First you got a reaction time wich is around 140-200ms and then you have to flick onto your target which takes additional time. You probably meant 250ms and not 2.5ms but even that's pretty much impossible, look up a reflex flick 250ms scenario in aimlabs and the top guys on the leaderboards will have like 25% accuracy in a scenario with large targets. It just doesn't make sense to flick that fast even for the best aimers. To be accurate in game you'd need at least 300ms, in most situations probably 400+ms. A lighter mouse does help a bit with flick speed but the effect is not nowhere nearly as big as some people think or as some marketing material may suggest. If your mouse is 48g instead of 60g (so 20% lighter) you won't flick 20% faster because the weight of the mouse is only a fraction of the total weight you have to move during a flick. The vast majority of the weight is your arm. The amount that the 20% lighter mouse makes you flick faster is probably in the low single digit percent points. The thing is the lighter mice get, the lower the impact of any further weight reductions is because most of the weight you're moving around is your arm and hand anyways. To me lighter mice are always welcome but it's far from the only thing that matters. if there's a 50g and a 60g mouse that are exactly the same in all other aspects though then obviously the 50g one is the better mouse. But back to my original point: Click latency is imo way more important than weight to me. Having the click actuate exactly when the click physically activates makes aiming a lot more intuitive. And having for example 4ms of click latency is a lot more noticably to me than having 4g of extra weight. But I guess differnt people have different priorities. I weight reduced some of my older mice like my g403 to around 70g and I can aim fine with them in tracking and switching tasks but for clicking they're unusable to me because of the click latency they got. Honestly I don't get how a company like zowie still releases new mice with huge click latency in 2024...

[@kawpoy]

whats the mouse at 2:40 ?

[@Raven.tech614]

anything more than 80g is too heavy for me. delux m800 ultra at 78g is reaalllyy pushing it for me. all the others i have at 40-65g feel RIDICULOUSLY light compared to the delux

[@johnnyr-518]

I'm one of the few who's still using g305 with aa battery and g502 because I can't hit anything with a light mouse.

[@mehow2g]

It's been insane for years now, apparently you cannot aim on anything lower than 3950 sensor.

[@SireEvalish]

The issue isn't necessarily the weight by itself. It's that EGG is charging $100+ for a mouse that doesn't really bring much to the table over cheaper and lighter mice. If it's the absolute perfect shape for your grip, then absolutely it makes sense, but if there are other mice that work for you I don't see it as being worthwhile.

[@thinkforyourself5672]

Do the skates for the XM2WE fit the XM2 4k? I would assume they will

[@toastymctoastinson]

i’m shook

[@felwinterslie]

Is my starlight 12 outdated

[@takutolovex]

Not really. Many pros still play on PAW 3370 and 1k hz

[@Ruemir007]

No

[@null0452]

not at all, 4khz is pretty much unnoticable and 49g is very good for this size. + you have magnesium which is very pleasing to touch

[@publicenemy7923]

3:51 background doggo

[@katiopeia8254]

Maybe I'm just spoiled. I got the Ninjutso Sora V2 recently and it is hands down the greatest mouse I have ever used. It actually made my aim better and I couldn't see myself using anything else.

[@r_turner]

Nah , Im not going back to Superlight 2 after using Maya X , heavier , worse shape n dog poop skates ... nahhhh but yeah , if youre not used to less than 60g , then 60g is still viable , but going lower weight is definelty encouraged

[@yuukivlr_]

would the obsidian donuts be good skates to try if i find the jade dots to be too fast?

[@takutolovex]

Yes.

[@awepizza]

Using ATK X1 Pro on my main rig and VXE R1 on my steam deck and both solid mice. 55\60g is fine

[@3jsu5]

can't decide between xm2 8k and xm2we 4k

[@null0452]

depends if you can tolerate the cable. if yes go for xm2 8k as its better in every single way. Personally would prob go with xm2 as its lighter have better specs and better latency, and cable on my xm1r is already so light i barely notice it on xm2 its might be even better

[@Boofski]

Chat what is your opinion on Ajazz and do you experience any connectivity issues with their dongle?

[@takutolovex]

I've heard good things though.