The movie Spirit wasn't as ROMANTIC as you think

[@Alteori]

Just to clarify, I know that Spirit is still sweet as in his personality. Obviously! What I meant is the "movie" isn't as romantic to a human perspective. A lot of people when they find out about the reality of animals they are outraged. It is a natural occurrence and it's just the way things are. I did also say that Spirit treats all his women very well. So again, 😆 I meant in terms of the movie, it's not as romantic in human terms, although.... Hmmmm why isn't it sweet when human guys have a bunch of females and treat them very well or when a guy has many wives? 😏 I figured people would understand this but oh well. I fixed the title so there's less confusion 🙂

[@bone8352]

Don't sweat it people are just trying to create criticisms (which I know isn't bad). Also in regards to polygamous relations, it shouldn't matter as long as everyone is happy, however often that happens.

[@samhg3658]

Makes sense now

[@Alteori]

@@bone8352 People were missing the point. I never said Spirit was mean 😂 even though by human standards if we didn't have cartoon eyes and things from his perspective, people would see a while stalling like him and say he's mean spirited. Otherwise I thought that as a stallion he was very sweet at least to his family and females and that's usually how it goes. 😄

[@eternallylearning2811]

Well it stile seems romantic to me an person who believes if an bunch of people are chill with polygomy an bunch of people are chill with polygomy threw I don't condone kicking out the other males but I acknowledge it for what it is

[@hilquiasavelino6387]

well, except you missed a few things here, like spirit fighiting with his dad over the herd, because he grew up without his father, his mother whas the leader when he was a foal, we can see this in the movie. (again, im not saying you are completly wrong you just missed a few things here i don't want a fight, have a nice day) Edit: well, i rewatched the video and... Girl you should have done some research about the movie before making this video, there's some points that at least, not convince me at all

[@jeremiahswinson2258]

Spirit when he saw Rain: "This will make a fine addition to my collection" (general grievous voice)

[@deuscaritasest7518]

cough

[@yellowangel5606]

lol

[@neonshycare]

All I can think of now is the meme compilations of that lol

[@edgieststalker8141]

@@deuscaritasest7518 Grievous has Covid Change my mind ._.

[@deuscaritasest7518]

@@edgieststalker8141 grievous has tuberculosis

[@morganalewis4455]

"rain isn't his only wife!" they're... they're horses...

[@liolikesgrass]

@Conn Lucifer it ain’t polyamorous ! It’s how horse’s society works. How can you not understand that... don’t try to put human characteristics to animals ! It is not the same and it can not be compared

[@emiliepruden528]

XD I know, it's odd to think people didn't already know this

[@youzhenzhang8415]

ikr my thoughts exactly

[@Rhiorrha]

@@emiliepruden528 Since the mid-1990's, there haven't been that many non-cable wildlife shows, compared to '85-1993, so a lot of people are pretty ignorant about how animal groups work nowadays. Shame, really. I learned how horses did things when I was the same age when girls are getting confused, hot, and bothered by them. Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, Wild America with Marty Stouffer, and the PBS' various nature documentaries airing RIGHT after the puppet shows ended were VERY informative.

[@bunniesinatrenchcoat1809]

@@liolikesgrass in the movie...it's obviously meant to be seen as love. I don't think the movie is ABOUT that though

[@anniesdrawings6578]

Calling Spirit "daddy" makes me physically hurt

[@VivianaSilverback]

It gives me a headache

[@polinapedersen]

@@VivianaSilverback same

[@polinapedersen]

Yes

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

XD

[@aymanmj3828]

😂😂😂

[@LynetteTheMadScientist]

Tbf, the movie isn’t about love, it’s about FREEDOM

[@rebeccaanne2549]

Honestly I agree. I never saw it as a romance movie between him and rain. I saw it as a movie about a horse who has a love for freedom and how if you have enough determination nothing can stop/ "break" you. It was an inspirational movie, not really a romance film imo :)

[@deecyp64]

And polygamy is exactly that

[@cerinachang2038]

This comment is true facts. It wasn’t about romance, but about freedom. Romance just happened to be an aspect of it.

[@aillia5932]

Exactly!! It’s always been a movie about freedom and finding yourself/character development. I just really liked Rain because she was so free and a fricking badass! She was powerful, headstrong, mischievous. I never really thought of her as being Spirit’s mate or whatever until it was brought up later on in the movie. Also Rain took a BULLET and survived. I LOVE HER (honestly she was probably my first crush, but I don’t mean that in a weird way)

[@emilyclaiborne7350]

U know I never saw it as a romance either but wut she said is true lol

[@A-Z-U-R-E]

*Spirit sees a wamon, and drops in like Obi-Wan Kenobi* Spirit: Hello There.

[@theninjacalledbasilisk7770]

😂😂😂😂

[@Trigger__Happy]

You will make a fine addition to my collection

[@rioluboy]

Don't you mean... Hay there

[@Tanker619]

@@rioluboy BAH HA HA nice pun

[@rioluboy]

@@Tanker619 thank you i live for my comedic genius

[@sagepankau5229]

Spirit is based on a book, his father was killed by a mountain lion while trying to protect the heard.

[@jiminsuga5803]

lmao

[@liolikesgrass]

Does not change the fact that Spirit must have fought with other stallions to get the herd for himself. This is how horses work...

[@greywarden1261]

@@liolikesgrass I mean, it's a kids movie..i doubt they'd go that dark

[@anniesmiles4758]

What's the title of the book?

[@strangeling357]

He has ptsd. Damn.

[@destinitaylor4360]

He’s a sweet horse regardless. But why are people putting HUMAN standards to a animal anyways

[@kaydiegomes8738]

Cause it’s a movie about personified horses so it makes sense. Lol it’s not meant to be a documentary

[@ErrorVoids]

@@kaydiegomes8738 But the horses aren’t personified..personified horses would mean they would have human like abilities. Non of the horses are showing anything human like. And you can’t include spirit talking cause that’s his voice in his head. Which is kinda obvious cause when he’s talking he doesn’t move his lips with the worlds.

[@ErrorVoids]

Words**

[@kaydiegomes8738]

@@ErrorVoids They’re given human emotions, expressions and spirit has a narrator hence personified. Don’t you know what that means? It’s when you give something human like characteristics. Example: “The cat was smiling at me” cats don’t smile lol

[@ErrorVoids]

@@kaydiegomes8738 They’re aren’t completely personified. You still don’t give human standards to your example why would this show be any different?

[@AscendantStoic]

So basically Spirit is a harem-anime in disguise 🤣

[@b-17theflyingfortress]

A harem for bronies

[@MisterDergans]

Thanks, I hate it

[@miracleousowens2548]

Most real life animals are😅.

[@MisterDergans]

@@miracleousowens2548 Thanks, I hate this one too.

[@chicken2844]

Oh yeah shock me daddy-

[@ishkajules]

This reminds me of when I found out that Simba and Nala are probably related due to Mufasa and Scar being the only male lions in their pride

[@sickenedguts1385]

There’s a big theory that Nala’s mother had been mated by a male out of pride rock. But Scar did attempt to try and mate with Nala when Simba was gone. It didn’t work though. It’s possible that they could be cousins but it’s definitely not likely.

[@sakurabiskuit]

In The Lion King's script, Nala is specifically referred to as Simba's cousin, because her mother is Simba's aunt. As the reply above suggested, there's a theory that Nala's mom mated with a lion outside of Pride Rock-wich wouldn't be unlikely considering that some lions who get kicked out of a pride try to "steal" some females from there.

[@anglosaxon1019]

@@sickenedguts1385 just saying if she is not ether scar or mufasa kid then she would have been killed by them lion kill off the offspring that is not there's

[@artloveranimation]

yeah they kinda ignored science for story-sake, because inbreeding is exactly why usually the males get driven out.

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5278]

Nah man lion guard debunked that theory (thank God)

[@sketchywolfgrl9564]

It's funny when people get weird about animated movies portraying animals, even as indirectly as this, as they are in their natural habitat. Stallions always looking for a new mare to add to keep the rate of inbreeding down. Not to mention his dad would've kicked him out to find his own harem when he was getting closer to maturity so... XD

[@Theartisticyoshi]

To be fair, the horses in Spirit are somewhat anthropomorphized (he has a narrator from his point of view speaking directly to the audience, the horses make human-like expressions so we sympathize with them, so on and so forth), so I understand why some people get upset when they learn that horses don’t act as human-like as they initially thought. In general, this seems to be a staple with animated movies and books with feral animals as the main characters.

[@d.v.3314]

Yeah, if he hadn't died first he certainly would have done that (at least, I assume his father died? Since he DIDN'T get kicked out and his dad was never around? Which is not really how horses work but sure) AND, all stallions usually have an alpha mare. Rain was just Spirit's main mate, the rest were just part of the herd...it's even more bizarre that some of the animals weren't comfortable drawing horse genitals and therefore, sometimes Spirit just doesn't have a dick.

[@bezoticallyyours83]

Yup

[@janellemora1728]

I know right? It's like all of the weird theories I've heard about Nala being either Simba's half sister or cousin in The Lion King.

[@turtleparadise4067]

@@janellemora1728and Kovu is clearly Kiaras kin because Kovu is Scars offspring and Kiara is Simbas offspring. But Simba is Mufasa's son and Mufasa is Scars brother.

[@dionettaeon]

All this time, I didn't think the adults in his herd were entirely female, I thought it was a mix. I also thought Spirit's father simply passed away and he inherited the role of leader.

[@StaviaStar]

Same! I didn’t really think that the herd was ENTIRELY female! I just thought that Spirit took over his mom’s role as leader and protector of the herd. Though thinking back on it now, Spirit did act like a dad or a cool big brother towards those two foals... 🤔

[@Angelaius]

@@StaviaStar man stallions kill foals which arent their. 👀 they even try abort babies by mating. Rough word of animals. There is no way there is a fertile stallion in the herd. Maybe his foals who are still young. After they adulting they go and try establish a new herd. He has to be the one because If not he loosing his herd. Stallions do steal mares from weak stallions and he left his herd for a very long time. He left his herd for prolly a year and the herd waited him. Its stupid. As soon he was taken away an other stallion woulda take the mares then killing spirits foals and mating with everyone is possible. (that 2 is his foals or otherwishe they wouldnt be alive)

[@lilliancarey8736]

It's a movie ok

[@HawkinaBox]

Same.

[@ApequH]

@@Angelaius Where did you find that stallions try aborting babies by mating? I know that some mares abort when there is an other stallion around, noting about stallions doing that. And there are herds with more than one stallion, they sometimes have a second in command. The herd waiting for him is weird, I would be why more logical if he would have to figth to get it back

[@Rin_Evans]

Bro it’s literally a kids film about a horse with eyebrows

[@hiwelcometochilis7033]

Exactly it’s not that deep 😂

[@movedchannels3252]

Ikr? Same with Lion King, I'm tired of people assuming Simba and Nala are related just because that's how it works irl

[@_Nyxus_]

People tend to forget that creations aren't always 100% based on reality. If that was the case, Spirit wouldn't have had any kind of human emotions. Humans project their beliefs, their personalities, their emotions, etc in what they create. Otherwise it'd just be a documentary. People don't need to pick at every single little detail. So I agree completely. They just need to sit back and enjoy the film for what it is: a story set in motion by artists. Who are human.

[@movedchannels3252]

@@_Nyxus_ So true!

[@Laia92]

But almost all animals in cartoons have eyebrows, I don't know why in Spirit people have always to say it.

[@jacoblovorn5196]

This actually hasn’t ruined the movie for me. In fact it opened my mind to how mature this movie can be for those who are more educated. Like Alteori and myself. It does not however change my opinion or how I feel about the movie. Thank you for the information this was very beneficial.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Exactly how I feel too!

[@MissYurikoSenpai]

For a second I read "This actually has ruined the movie for me" and was like "HOW?" and then I reread XD

[@NeonJJ_195]

Same. And I actually already knew that when I was younger. We always owned horses soo

[@Achzio]

yeah though i kinda knew considering there wasnt stallions other than him ._.

[@joxerd]

It's the same in Lion King, Simba will have a group of lionesses as his harem.

[@Falcun21]

Beginning with Nala, who is his sister.

[@kichipoppi140]

@@Falcun21 Or cousin, because Scar could just as easily be Nala's father.

[@windowsVD]

@@kichipoppi140 Unlikely given that Mufasa was the alpha male of their pride.

[@BaronessAishi055]

The Lion Guard reveals that he shares them with other males offscreen.

[@joxerd]

@@BaronessAishi055 Oh, I didn't know, I thank you for the information.

[@Vod2God]

When I was a kid, I always thought that spirit was like a big brother figure to the little ones.

[@testerwulf3357]

Could be, not really known..

[@Grace-g8k2x]

Shit! He better be!

[@nathanielbables8652]

Similar to lions, not like similar relationships are unheard of in human cultures.

[@panthera9151]

You just reminded me of the Lion King theory that Simba and Nala are paternal half-siblings, because Mufasa was the dominant male of the pride.

[@sairajmenon556]

@@panthera9151 Nature aside there's also that thing in the books where females mate with other males in the rogue stretch of something like that....

[@destinitaylor4360]

Well, that would assume it follows how normal prides work. Simba DID take in Kovu so it’s not unheard of for there to have been another male in the pride in the past when Mufasa was around 😂

[@selectidiot]

@@destinitaylor4360 Scar.

[@JrockerDiChan666]

Select Idiot yes but idk if Scar had breeding rights. Probably only until after Mufasa died

[@herpderp3916]

There's actually a prequel novel that addresses Spirit's dad and how his parents met. Iirc, his name was Strider, and it's implied he died before Spirit was born. As for Spirit not being monogamous, well, he's a wild animal, that's how they do. He still seems to be deeply attached to Rain.

[@sojingames5305]

Novel name?

[@herpderp3916]

@@sojingames5305 The series is called Spirit of the West!

[@bronzelaugh2350]

I agree that he seems very attracted to rain, but it makes sense sense I believe stallions do pick favorites in the herd, cause hierarchy. So Rain will be telling Spirit what to do lmao

[@kaylarae1362]

@@bronzelaugh2350 Rain would probably be the lead mare, which would be at the top of the pecking order

[@sian8322]

@@bronzelaugh2350 @Le Saltypotato I mean if any of you saw the story about Cloud Stallion of the Rockies, it's a very similar story. Cloud met a filly called Velvet when he was young, he even tried to "Snake" her into his herd to keep her. The herds went their separate ways and Cloud didn't see him again till he was older. He had his own herd with a fairly old lead mare called Sidka. He came across Velvet again and basically left his herd to be captured whilst going after Velvet. And was dead set on having Velvet. Sidka completely turned her herd around ignoring the several bachelor stallions trying to steal them and ran right back to Cloud, without even being called. There are definitely favourites, and Rain is shown from the beginning to be extremely loyal.

[@Warcodered01]

and if Scar hadn't killed Mufasa, Mufasa would of chased off Simba himself.

[@skyline0_038]

True

[@anastasiapardoe3268]

Yeah I guess that what happens in real life thank goodness it only an animation or Simba would have died in the middle of the desert for real when he grew up🤣

[@этоВира]

And before that, the song about being king, was really a song about killin his father.

[@Warcodered01]

@@этоВира That's an excellent point and the Circle of Life is a song about their excuse for eating their subjects.

[@этоВира]

@@Warcodered01 yep. It be a vicious world . . . ( I'm crying right now I'm listening to such a sad song)

[@Anhellsin]

Can't believe someone would make spirit into a bad ass Chad. RESPECT spirit

[@Wolf10media]

Horse flippin took on a mountain lion. Freed horses from horse wranglers. Out ran a train even when it was falling down a hill. And travelled miles across a frickin desert to get back to his har-- herd. Y'all better put some respect in his name.

[@youtubecreators384]

I think the word you're looking for, Alteori is harem. Spirit has a harem.

[@doomslayer2290]

Yeah this is the weirdest harem anime I've seen yet

[@mlgrenegadeYT]

Don't bring your cultured words to this already uncultured chat XD let them use the words bitches instead

[@stormfiretheog9183]

Hey dus dat meen dat when his kids grow up and the moms die dus he mate whid his kids? 0.o

[@mlgrenegadeYT]

@@stormfiretheog9183 basically yes,it's normal in the animal kingdom...

[@stormfiretheog9183]

I no but its chust weard to sey it x3

[@levioop5147]

Just as a quick correction as to what happen to spirit’s father: the movie was actually based off of a book: Spirit of the West. He was a black stallion and the mate of his mother-Esperonza. In canon, he was captured before Spirit reached of age to challenge him and later died in captivity. Hope that helps

[@abigaildeeks8328]

Also it is stated in the other book that he is 4 years old-he probably didn’t sire those two foals-being twins of the same mother almost impossible as twin horses barely survive in captivity

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

@@abigaildeeks8328 male horses can start breeding at 2-3 years old, and those foals are probably only a couple months. Gestation is 11-12 months, so the timeline can work. Twins can survive in the wild, it’s been documented many times, but they do survive better in captivity

[@maggiethedruid9010]

Didn't they have a book on rains mom as well?

[@ChicagoMel23]

It’s not based on a book. The books came after the movie

[@YoSoFunnyx3]

This is not true, its mostly coincidence. The book and movie release dates are actually only 1 month apart make it physically impossible to be related

[@azazellon]

Spirit when he sees Rain be like: *JOIN MY CONCUBINES*

[@lauraeisenbarth7041]

can I join your concubines my name is Ross I'm a fox I love too join

[@UwUImShio]

@@lauraeisenbarth7041 dude wtf

[@spartanoreo5075]

Spirit (sees a new horse) :"Another fine edition to my collection!" (Unsheathes lightsabre.) General Kenobi : "So uncivilised."

[@Ms.Crocodilian]

@Stripey Arse when I tell you I GAGGED

[@BananasSuck]

Yes

[@mythrym]

“Hey how you doin’ Daddy~” That got me LMFAO

[@beccacroce7380]

the next word gets me too. "those r all his B****s!"

[@polinapedersen]

@@beccacroce7380 ikr!

[@dragonheart7901]

Spirit wasnt ment to be a romantic movie. The people who made the movie said that in the end, the whole lesson was "Never forget who you are."

[@meganprivitecodarin6587]

It still is romantic

[@dragonheart7901]

@@meganprivitecodarin6587 yes there are romantic parts, but I was talking about the whole movie

[@IkarosYT_]

I came here because i thought you were about to ruin my childhood😂

[@samhg3658]

Damn

[@kimberlynguyen3192]

Title: why it’s not so romantic Me: Who’s said it was romantic?

[@elizack_8189]

Yea true

[@katrinadoyle869]

Everyone who watches how they look at each other

[@hayleymarse2853]

As someone who was once the “weird horse girl,” young male horses are kicked out their herd and team up with other “bachelors.” They basically form their own herd for a few years and practice fighting. As they get older, they will start trying to steal mares from old stallions. Within a herd, the leader is actually a mare. Sin real life, she will be the one who runs in the front of the herd and the stallion runs in the back to herd them along and fight off predators. She is more in control of the mares than the stallion. So there ya go, quick lesson on horses you didn’t ask for 😂

[@megangreen5851]

That is also when hunting with more than one person. One aims for lead female and one aims for bull (depending on what tag you got.)

[@trinis7971]

Just curious, did you watch the Cloud horse documentaries? Loved those growing up

[@hayleymarse2853]

@@trinis7971 yes! I loved those! My friend had books about him and I got the Breyer horses of him as well. I had a real obsession with wild horses 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@KaylaACNH_]

I knew that mares lead the herd

[@eh5320]

i love how you said “as someone who once was ‘the weird horse girl’” as though your profile picture isn’t a horse and the comment is a week old

[@highwinds71]

Was about a horse that no one could break him or his spirit. He wanted to remain free . Had nothing to do with romance. Maybe at the end though.

[@bellerain381]

It was just a subplot and a good one for sure. It did not override the main plot of Spirit staying alive and keeping his free grit to go back to his homeland

[@cinmusicvideos]

I knew all these stuff but never really wanted to think about this movie so realistic. now rip my childhood

[@Alteori]

😄 sorry

[@UnluckyOctopus]

Well then don’t think too hard about the Lion King and who Nallas father is.

[@IronycheinPain]

@@UnluckyOctopus stO p

[@jarmin9321]

I knew this stuff, but hearing someone else actually say it out loud basically dissipated any illusions I had😂

[@TheMeta141]

Nala is Simba's sister

[@cesaralejandro7725]

Spirit is a stud.

[@littleutah822]

@christopher snedeker what do you mean literally?

[@ErrorVoids]

@christopher snedeker It’s still a stallion.

[@THEE.apples]

@@ErrorVoids right because only stallions can be studs so......

[@ErrorVoids]

@@THEE.apples Exactly

[@ebgurlyt4031]

@christopher snedeker no?? I thought a bull (male cow) that breeds with all the females is a stud

[@meganlodon]

Spirit's father is talked about in the book _Spirit of the West 3: Esperanza._ Spirit did *not* drive him away as he was born long after his father, Strider, disappeared or was killed (I don't remember which). Regarding the two foals, they cannot be Spirit's as they are actually not that much younger than Spirit (it's hard to explain, but you can tell by the various scenes). Those foals are most likey the offspring of a joining mare. Also, similar to The Lion King, realism is not a true element in movies such as this. You had a good theory though.

[@fennadevries6814]

Spirit is probably around 3-4 years old, these foals are about 6 months to a year old, it is very pleasible that they are his foals as horses can already breed starting from around a year old.

[@meganlodon]

@@fennadevries6814 Actually, it is believed that Spirit is at least 1-2 year(s) old in the movie, and even though this is not confirmed, he is definitely not that much older then those two foals. Also, the foals are always near Esperanza, not their own mother, as if they were adopted into the herd. With that said, there were other foals in the herd while Spirit was a foal himself. They, at least the majority, are not in the herd when Spirit is older. This would suggest they were males, and any one of them could have been the father. With all of that in mind, Spirit makes no mention, not even in the books, of these two foals other than the rescue in the beginning. He only addresses them as part of the herd, and not his own. If they were his, he would have given them special recognition. In conclusion, I will continue to _confidently_ say they aren't his until it is confirmed (or denied) by the author herself.

[@fennadevries6814]

@@meganlodon Well he doesn't look like a 1-2 year old, he is not overgrown at his hindquarters or at his front, which suggests he's already closed most of his growing plates, so he must be older than that in the movie at least. I never read the books, so I am only going by his appearance in the movie.

[@meganlodon]

@@fennadevries6814 So, you're basing essentially a cartoon with barely any realism to realism? Even the artists who drew The Lion King didn't get Simba to be 100% realistic even after being in the same room with a real life lion for hours. That said, I'm not basing the movie on its real life counterparts. It's not accurate to do so. So, instead, most of my assumptions are based on my analysis of the movie and what is portrayed therein. Like I said, I will continue to believe they are not his foals (based on what I have said before) until I am told otherwise by the author of the books, or by Disney themselves. Though, Disney is no longer accurate as they now have three different canon stories of how Taka (Scar) got his scar.

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

@@meganlodon in the books he’s 4 years old

[@heatwave1789]

Spirit is the ultimate anime harem protagonist. He has a harem of women, have kids, and even got a new girl. Had to go on a quest had to defeat the evil Humans and return back to his Harem

[@BonaparteBardithion]

Does being kidnapped to Human Land make him an isekai protagonist?

[@cookie856]

@@BonaparteBardithion He's not dropped in another world

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@cookie856 Metaphorically speaking it is. 😉 But yeah, it's stretching the definition.

[@ZyroShadowPony]

He basically obtained "harem route but all the girls are ok with it" achievement

[@renseal475]

Oh my GOD.. WHY DOES IT SOUND SO ACCURATE

[@dragonnoodles7487]

Honestly Dreamworks had some balls to properly show Spirit is a stallion by drawing his manly part.

[@kaitlando636]

Yeah. Lmao!

[@gemink7939]

I know this isn't accurate but: Dreamworks had the balls to draw balls

[@douglasgriffiths3534]

They didn't draw his balls. Spirit has his sheath only, same as a gelding (neutered stallion). (Jan Griffiths).

[@crescentmoon5859]

Ummm YOUR FORGETTNG THE BIRTH SCENE AT THE START OF THE MOVIE

[@sylviadailey9126]

It is odd that Spirit only has his sheath and not his scrotum. This is best seen when he jumps a large gap in the climax, and there is a full shot of him underneath. It would have been better if the movie makers would have picked a lane. Either show everything down there like a real horse or censor all of it. My Little Pony has its stallions completely censored, and the mares censored for that matter. It it reasonable to assume the pony stallions are fully intact and fertile. The Spirit movie has this wierd gray area between showing and censoring everything. Spirit himself looks like he got castrated. I wonder if the human captors did that to him offscreen.

[@MAFLORENCIA]

I always thought the two foals respected him because Spirit had the reputation of a hero..

[@JosephRailwayStudios2000]

And not to mention he actually save their lives from that Cougar

[@crescentmoon5859]

@@JosephRailwayStudios2000 true true

[@natethethird3330]

Alteori saying that spirit isn't as sweet Me looks at iron giant: sure

[@echidna7970]

Why are people say he's mean his father died so his mum lead the herd and he's just doing his job. He treats all his mares equally and protects them. When he gets captured he still continues to find his way back and you can see that they all miss him too. Also he probably made Rain his main mare to help lead too let his mother step down and rest.

[@Alteori]

I think if people say mean, they mean to humans but I don't blame him 😆

[@jamarihernandez7117]

Main mare? Isn’t that just horse for bottom bitch- I’ll see myself out

[@serenity9926]

@@jamarihernandez7117 lead mare lol

[@lilliancarey8736]

Yes girl

[@g0reh0und48]

I didn’t think spirit was a romance- every time I watched it I didn’t even think something romantic was happening

[@raizaintilian]

Me: Works with Horses Also Me: Never noticed that rain wasn’t his first women

[@respectthefish4992]

lol mood

[@respectthefish4992]

but he is polyamo he loves them all

[@liolikesgrass]

@@respectthefish4992 it ain’t love, it’s instinct. He just see them as the ones who’ll give him foals

[@respectthefish4992]

@@liolikesgrass yeah sure but animals are able to feel love

[@wrendrawsstuff6403]

And then you remember: this was an animated horse movie made with the intention of pleasing the public and being entertaining, and not being realistic at all

[@Sick_1m]

Exactly

[@sakurabiskuit]

If the creators weren't trying to be realistic, they wouldn't have researched so much about horses during the movie's production, plus, they wouldn't have added scenes like Spirit's mom giving birth to him while the other horses just keep minding their own business. You're not only discarding a theory because "it's just a cartoon", but also underestimating the effort that went into Spirit's creation.

[@wrendrawsstuff6403]

@@sakurabiskuit But then again it’s not an adult movie or there would be cussing and more violent actions. Honestly, this was rhetorical 😂 I didn’t even realize it got this many likes first of all, second of all, I honestly don’t know what to reply to your comment. You bring up a good point, but then again, the birthing isn’t graphic, and it doesn’t give much away about birthing to younger audiences Edit: Also I never discarded their effort..? I just said it wasn’t really supposed to be extremely realistic

[@sakurabiskuit]

​@@wrendrawsstuff6403 Sorry if I came off as rude, I didn't mean that. It's just a pet peeve of mine when people say "it's just a cartoon, it's not meant to be realistic", because a lot of cartoons, especially ones from triple A studios like Dreamworks, tend to have a lot of research made about their subjects before they even start writing the script. So using real life facts when theorizing about them is valid.

[@wrendrawsstuff6403]

@@sakurabiskuit Ohhhh, I didn’t mean it like that. I meant it’s not supposed to be on the dot realistic. Of course they got the behavioral things down with a lot of research, and they clearly did a lot of it. But I’m saying, I don’t think they overthought it that much to make it twisted and messed up like that

[@Rose-bi2rg]

“THOSE ARE ALL HIS BITCHES” I don’t know why this line in particular made me laugh my ass off! Good video

[@AgentDearestZ]

I don't see how this makes him no longer "SWEET".

[@Alteori]

🤦‍♀️

[@AgentDearestZ]

@@Alteori 🤷‍♀️

[@TimSlee1]

@@Alteori Brain damage (1988)

[@gloom0259]

@@Alteori someone’s sad

[@WolfHeart26]

@Genki Gal ;-;

[@goathead5073]

I'd also like to add that Spirit technically isn't the leader of the herd. Herds are lead by dominant mares, and dominant mares also have a 'say' in who they let breed with them. Spirit is just the resident man bodyguard of the herd, but really he doesn't lead. Also it's unlikely that he's mated with *every* horse in that herd. It's very common for certain high dominance females to refuse to breed (though him being experienced might change that).

[@isabelleburdge4308]

Yes exactly!

[@jujublue4426]

That's his mother's role

[@weloveTM123]

Not entirely true. By observing the way wild Mustang herds function, it is very obvious that BOTH lead mare and lead stallion lead the herd. In fact, some herds do not even have a 'lead mare' but they will always have a lead stallion, unless it's a bachelor herd. If mares aren't in their cycle, they may refuse to allow their lead stallion to breed, or play 'hard to get' with him, but when they are in heat, there's no way they refuse. Moreover, if the band stallion neglects that duty, the mares are known to wonder off to the neighbouring stallions to get covered and then they come back to their main herd. What I am saying is that mares who live in a harem with their band stallion will always initiate to mate (when ready) because it is their motivation to acquire foals from the strongest male.

[@Theonlygracius]

You'v obviously never seen Cloud

[@goathead5073]

@@weloveTM123 Not entirely true, correct. But for the most part wild horse herds are primarily lead by dominant mares (of course this may be regional). I haven't seen it with truly wild horses but in free roam herds I have seen in heat females reject males (ouch) and said in heat females even trying to fight the males. Like you said, their instinct is to breed to produce the strongest foals, so it's most likely they were driven away by the only available stallions. Hence, why I said since Spirit is obviously experienced and proven, it would be unlikely he'd be turned down by mares (since they're drawn to strong stallions).

[@xeizael2034]

Like....who thought it was "romantic" to start with? XD if you know horses, you know stallions have broods of mares lmao

[@Alias_Anybody]

If you want to see that sweet monogamy kids, watch a movie about parrots. Or wolves. Lions, bovines, horses: Bad idea.

[@kichipoppi140]

Actually, wolves aren't monogamous. They will raise pups with one mate, yes, but if that mate dies or gets lost, the other will just as easily move on to another.

[@samhg3658]

@@kichipoppi140 just like humans tho

[@samhg3658]

@@lucybaby1424 yeah, humans aren't that much monogamous. Monogamy is beneficial for us in terms of society, that's why we do it, but biologicaly I don't think we are that much monogamous. Some societies even accepted polygamy so yeah

[@princessironlove4508]

Not even parrots are Mono. That's a misconception

[@cybertron1000s]

@@kichipoppi140 so they're essentially monogamous.

[@tansybean1854]

Looking at the ending scene, he probably made Rain his lead mare (which is basically the female in charge or second in command)

[@legerdemain444]

Stallions don't pick the lead mare though they can have favourites. The lead mare is just the most dominant (aka bitchiest and willing to fight everyone) mare. Put a group of horses together and you'll see they quickly fight it out for their ranking. Stallions also don't lead herds, the lead mare does, the stallion always trails at the back, keeps other stallions away and tries to stop mares from leaving.

[@crescentmoon5859]

@@legerdemain444 Spirits mom seems to be the lead mare they followed her lead she is at the front of the group everyone parted for her to see her son she was one of few who had a foal at the beginning she looks to lead the pack even after her son is gone Spirit was the lead stallion who protected the group.

[@lovelyjuliexo]

2:45 “those are all his bitches!” im never gonna see this movie the same way again 😂

[@Laia92]

Well, it's like in "The silver brumby". Thowra has a herd made of females and their foals. He falls in love with a domasticated mare named Golden and she goes with him to live in his herd, but he doesn't really love her, but she's his favourite mare because she's beautiful and he won her from the man. In fact, the leader mare in his herd is Boon Boon, not Golden.

[@weloveTM123]

lol...I'm confused. First you said he falls in love with Golden and than you say he doesn't really love her???

[@Laia92]

@@weloveTM123 yes, you're right. I mean he was attracted by her and wanted her, but it wasn't love as us humans intend.

[@elyssacaouettedavies1212]

But understand that spirit may not of had his own lead mare, his mom is lead mare right now but since spirit is the next generation he needs a lead female of his own so rain maybe be his lead female, and if u watched the iconic documentary about the wild horse cloud, males like their lead mares with them alot more then other mares. So spirits bond with rain may be a bit for deeper then the other females but ur right about everything els tho lol👍 just thought I might add a little fact to help with what ur saying 😊 love the video tho, I miss spirit.

[@k.a._135]

So basically like an emperor having an empress and many concubines. Got it.

[@diego_fe]

True this, you can actually see his mom is usually at the front of the heard, and at the end its rain who is at the front taking the place as lead mare

[@elyssacaouettedavies1212]

@@k.a._135 yep lol

[@annabxxe]

I love Cloud's legacy! its a really good documentary

[@elyssacaouettedavies1212]

@@annabxxe yeah watch it all the time 😆

[@IluvKonig]

Yeah. The director knew exactly what they were doing. Specific horses are certain colours for a reason. I'm so glad you pointed that out. Well done.💙💜

[@interviolet6675]

Apparently horses dont think in cheesfried onions. Interesting.

[@IkarosYT_]

LMFAOO whattt😭

[@interviolet6675]

@@IkarosYT_ seagulls dont taste like chicken. I thought that was a Fun Fact

[@The_EGC]

PFFT

[@brassv2185]

I feel like Donkeys are cooler than horses But they are associated with bad things Like politics Asses Being shreks sidekick(idk if thats a bad thing or not) And making a noise that sounds like a rusty old car trunk being opened

[@aidanthebozo8647]

And looking way less attractive than horses

[@brassv2185]

@@aidanthebozo8647 horses dont look attractive to begin with

[@aidanthebozo8647]

@@brassv2185 they do. They are elegant creatures.. very beautiful especially when they run and their hair flows

[@brassv2185]

@@aidanthebozo8647 yes but attractive is usally used sexually elegant and magestic are better words Wild horses Tamed horses are more like donkeys Smelly loud and sometimes mean

[@aidanthebozo8647]

@@brassv2185 oh yeah tamed horses normally are garbo

[@ermagerhd6140]

No one: Spirit: “A fine addition to my collection”

[@DanielRodriguez-nk7nb]

Nah didnt ruined me I know my horses can get frisky at times when the "stalion" is around but actaully hes 22😂😂 old as dirt😂

[@inkystars19]

*stallion

[@captainstroon1555]

It's nice to see that they actually wrote the movie with this in mind. That's why there is no father, that's why Spirit flirts with the mares in his herd. It's always nice if animal behaviour isn't anthropomorphizizled, even in movies for kids.

[@Sick_1m]

I don't think they had this in mind. It's animated movie after all. It's like we were putting actual lions behaviours into analyze of lion king. It's not the way to go. Obviously they are acting like animals, but still it is interpretation and they are more human like than actual lions. Same here. It may be or may be not accurate. After all, I don't think they would show it as much as romantic, for no reason.

[@Riley_Boi]

"Those are all his bitches" is my new favorite quote about this movie

[@mackenziej6553]

Involving his father, there’s actually a story about Spirit’s parents. His father was captured and died in captivity according to the book!

[@Alteori]

...... 😗..... .... THERE'S A BOOK????

[@kierstencobb5517]

Wait...there is?!?

[@sampaiswrath1777]

Where is this book?! I must read it!

[@scu11slayer]

@@Alteori yah theres a book

[@Alteori]

@@scu11slayer oh, I looked it up. I don't think the original person made it. It looks more like it was inspired by spirit. And I'm not sure I can't find the published date, was it made before or after the movie? They seemed to have come out the same year

[@noctis589]

Horse: (is upset) Me: hey why the long face Also me: (gets kicked by horse)

[@freyastewart6743]

I never realized all these facts actually meant something. I've watched this at least 100 times or more but never thought of it this way. ( thank you for opening my eyes!)

[@ghulmayhem]

the fact that those foals did not grow even a little bit through the movie is questionable i think while daddy spirit was away few months has passed!

[@ScarletCandlelight]

*"Mmmm never seen that color before, i shal add you to my collection"* Me: XD

[@laurelalloro]

Me being polyamorous this changes nothing for me lmao. This still totally flew over my head as a kid tho

[@Nah_id_win_883]

Mufasa killed previous leader's cubs when he take over the pack

[@echidna7970]

Yeah He would have killed his half siblings I guess

[@panthera9151]

@christopher snedeker That's why Zira took away the cubs when Scar died.

[@NightScaped]

@@panthera9151 and she even offered simba to kill and eat her son in the movie but luckily simba refused.. o.o

[@InterritusQuinn]

I mean, that's not how The Lion King works. But yeah, if it was a most realistic situation...

[@_neocloudy_mon]

but why would he have done that? If the leader is your father, I think there are people who still don't understand that what happens in "The Lion King" is different from real life...

[@bigmoe9856]

...And this matters? Edit: Just to add. Stallions will actually tolerate foals that aren't even theirs, they're more lenient than lions in that regard. But they will remove competition where they spot it or at least keep it in check.

[@bone8352]

Are you upset she pointed it out? No it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.

[@bigmoe9856]

@@bone8352 Were you upset that I asked why a horse *not* being monogamous stops it from being sweet or romantic?

[@bone8352]

@@bigmoe9856 I mean I don't disagree with you but I think that whole thing was meant as a joke, sorry if I misinterpreted.

[@bigmoe9856]

@@bone8352 Apologies. Sometimes I need a break from the internet, because I don't always catch people's meaning.

[@bone8352]

@Conn Lucifer What? When did that happen? Nobody is talking trash about polygamous people.

[@gwynethyoung9603]

There is always one mare that the stallion is more attached to and has a bigger connection with

[@Rexz2000]

Reminds me of how Simba and Nala are likely siblings or half-siblings if you know anything about lion pride structure

[@Jasmine-zk8fx]

Actually it was revealed somewhere (either in the book or lion guard) that they actually aren’t related

[@obiwanthemagician]

I will say, wild horses do sometimes have other males in the herd. Many stallions that are alone will join herds if the lead stallion allows. But some of the horses in the movie in the herd, are male. You just gotta "look" and after seeing. A boy horses toy as a kid lol I got traumatized and noticed it in the movie XD. That and I've only had boy horses in my field lol. And that whole the leader run in front and everyone follows? Opposite with horses. They "drive" the others from behind but the lead mare does run in front. And rain is the new lead lady. His mom isn't the alpha anymore, rain is. So his "favorite".

[@parisheidi3119]

Thank u, the running always messed me up. And I could have sworn there were more males.

[@pixelatedcheetos]

I also had those toys lmao

[@luckylucy5279]

Absolutely true, often times the lead stallion just keeps one of his colts around to help him out, especially if its a larger herd. Like he's the king and the colt is his general.

[@lorelaik8182]

I really didn’t think of it this way despite being very educated about horses 😂😂😂😂😂

[@WiFiDown37811]

Although its true that in the real world, Spirit would've mated with all of this mares to secure the success of his herd and bloodline or whatever, keep in mind, this is a kids movie about a horse that is "impossible" to tame that goes through hell and back to find his family again all while making friends with Little Creek and making moves on his horse Rain. I feel like the romance between Spirit and Rain was genuine and was shared just between the two of them. Think about it. When Rain had gotten shot and Spirit had believed that she was going to die and he'd never see her again, he was broken inside. He had given up on everything he had fought so hard for because he either didn't know how to move on without her or didn't want to. What snapped him out of it is his love for his family and how they need him and he needs them. Without sounding too dark, I don't think Spirit would've been too broken up over some random mare in his herd meeting the same fate he thought Rain would. Sure she's a member of his herd or whatever but you never see him treat them the way he treats Rain. Whenever Spirit is monologing and he talks about Rain, he speaks so highly of her and expresses his love for her and his desire to spend the rest of his life with her. Never does that for anyone else. I'd also like to point out that its possible that Spirit is not the only stallion in the herd and that the colts in his herd may not be his. They look nothing like him. It seems like if they were his, there would be some sort of resemblance but there isn't. They look exactly like most of the background horses in the herd Also I love that half the comments section is just Star Wars jokes

[@Magpard]

you said it perfectly! this is just a kids movie not a documentary lmao. following this logic The Lion King would be about incest💀

[@lucyandecember2843]

@@Magpard tarzan would be pretty fucked up too then lol

[@tiacuppe6681]

@@Magpard It is....Nala and Simba are related if u really look at it

[@zaprilmakara4234]

Yeah and people make reaserch on the animals before they make the movie lol it might be a kids movie but it doesnt change the facts

[@WiFiDown37811]

@@zaprilmakara4234 it does change the facts. If kids movies depicted animals realistically then they'd be a lot less family friendly

[@thesniper5805]

So he sees rain and he's just like ah a fine addition to my collection(General grievous voice)

[@johnpalermo4466]

Born in 93 and spirit is part of my childhood. 💯

[@gradymc2633]

2:46 the funniest thing she has said yet 😂

[@dirandrous7682]

My memories are flooding back.

[@jaydeejay4166]

Have you listened to the soundtrack?

[@vvgirl6173]

I just saw the movie as pretty animated story about a horse. And his human friend. Never saw it romantic. Just thought 'oooh! Pretty girl horse! Friend!'

[@crescentmoon5859]

As a child we just didn't compute his birth scene

[@firenuggy4936]

Altori: you ask we answer Me: who asked

[@ignoreme3249]

Im sorry but I bursted out laughing when you screamed out "THOSE ARE ALL HIS BITCHES" LIKE BRUHHH- 😩😩😩

[@lolhey6802]

I was already dying at "how you doing daddy" lol

[@ignoreme3249]

@@lolhey6802 WHEEZE

[@dafgarcia2510]

The fact that I totally forgot there was a “love” storyline inside the movie....

[@starwolf2200]

Stallions still have favorite Mares that they absolutely refuse to part with and those foals could be his siblings her could have kept them out of respect for his father and mother (most likely just for his mom's sake)

[@darkstarmagicclan]

A new stallion does not hurt the offspring of the past stallion. Herds don't run the same as lion prides. Its possible those belong to the past stallion which does not have 100% accuracy of being Spirit's father either. As the lead stallion it is his job to protect and lead the fillies/Colts with the herd. There is also no guarantee those belong to Spirit's mom. Any female in the herd could have foaled the twins.

[@Roses6858]

@@darkstarmagicclan They do. They will also kill foal who won't make it

[@DropKickAnEwok]

You didn't ruin it, just a new flavor I didn't know

[@EnLaMatrix1]

Nobody: Alteori: Spirit was a harem protagonist

[@megxetrs]

That’s what happened to spirits father: Strider: Spirit's father, a pure black stallion that was the former leader of the Cimarron herd, Spirit succeeded him. He was later on captured and put in captivity and died from not being used to it. ... He runs into Spirit a few times and eventually concedes in defeat that at least one horse will remain wild and free. (Off google not mine)

[@abigaildeeks8328]

That’s wrong he never meets his father in the book

[@bluepuppystudios3617]

He may not be his only one, but she's his favorite.

[@katiannacagle3244]

I mean yeah this is how real horses work but it’s strongly implied that in their universe they only have one mate. Like Lion King. Another basically impossible scenario is wild mustang twins. Horse twins are incredibly rare even in captivity. There’s a 1 in 10,000 chance for twins, and the chance of carrying them both to term and all three horses surviving the birth is nearly impossible. When they do, one is often very small and will not live without human intervention. So I think horse couples in a kids movie is the least of realism problems. As for spirit driving off his dad, canonically Spirit’s dad (Strider, who was Esperanza’s only mate) was captured and died. But good video trying to ruin childhoods for no reason lol. EDIT: “Mares are always gonna want a stallion to take care of them” oh lawd you’ve never met a mare have you EDIT 2: Holy shit how wrong can you be. He’s buckskin, not dun, which means he has one cream gene over a bay coat. Neither cream nor dun, by the way, inherently “make foals lighter” so they’re a “mix of their parents”. Horse genetics are crazy and largely unpredictable.

[@corncrackerkid5092]

Dun horses have a dorsal stripe (like Spirit) buckskin do not, there actually is a difference

[@katiannacagle3244]

@@corncrackerkid5092 To be most accurate, Spirit is actually a dunskin (buckskin with dun expressions), which is fairly common.

[@douglasgriffiths3534]

Lighter colored foals would end up in the second generation, not the first. And some foals (black foals especially), are born a lighter color than they will be as adults. The true color will appear with the shedding of the foal coat around 5-6 months. Bay horses will get their black lower legs around this time as well. Horses that will become greys have the opposite effect---those foals will have adult color saturation at birth, and will start to become grey when their foal coats shed. They will get lighter in color every year. (Jan Griffiths).

[@enriquevivar8636]

This was my favorite growing up I had the DVD and watched all the time

[@monfilamon3984]

LMAO I was literally blinded by the fact that he was just a hero of all the horses in the movie... that horse gets girls for real 😅

[@lunamaxis115]

"Those are all his bitches." I am literally wheezing 😂

[@mastercontrO]

First Yeah Spirit was mean as hell but he had his moments.

[@hilquiasavelino6387]

well, its not that true, because spirit grew up without his father so there's no chance of he fighting him over the herd, his mother was the lider when spirit was a foal, we can see this in the movie alteori its misunderstanding a quite things here

[@athesir_wolf5917]

This is my young childhood I've watched this so many times

[@viciousuna8651]

I always had a suspicion that the two goals could be spirit’s siblings and that that is why they respect him so much

[@johnd3421]

The animation is pretty smooth.

[@exbehemoth7907]

Legit rewatched this a few weeks ago, this is the best animated film imo and none if you can change my mind Edit: If this horse boi was real he would still be kicking at the age of 22 years old, out of the 40 max lifespan of wild stallions

[@ghostspore3163]

The one they based him off is still alive, he's 25 now :D

[@luealie7521]

"Hey how ya doing daddy." I died.

[@dynamosaurusimperious6341]

BowJack Horseman,before the transformation? Also seems like something that would happen in real life, between Wild Horses, and also I saw this movie when my Grandma got her first flip phone,back in 2009.

[@mrsalty4591]

I haven't watched the movie in years i might rewatch it

[@camilamorales5102]

I have to clap this movie. I remember the first time i saw it as a child and i was AMAZED by how they portrayed a wild animal. Now as an adult I am still amaze. Never saw a movie like this. No unnecessary censorship or morals or impose to animals behavior in and extreme way. Everything is there. Amazing.

[@PapaThiccc]

Knowing all of this actually makes the movie better to me

[@respectthefish4992]

same, now it is not only coming back to your familly but to your beloved wives that you love

[@Scrittlescrattle]

Me, born and raised around cowfolk, living on a farm and knowing how animal hierarchies work: "Honey we been knew"

[@Mar-ft9xu]

Strider: Spirit's father, a pure black stallion that was the former leader of the Cimarron herd, Spirit succeeded him. He was later on captured and put in captivity and died from not being used to it. ... He runs into Spirit a few times and eventually concedes in defeat that at least one horse will remain wild and free.

[@justsomebassistwithwifi1073]

I know he isn’t sweet he got a Netflix adaptation

[@titanosaurdy9493]

Which is way too off from his lore

[@echidna7970]

We don't put these two together because the new spirit is not worthy of the name or even being related to him he is a joke.

[@iclynnx]

@@echidna7970 I think Spirit Riding Free deserves more credit, actually. I used to be doubtful and didn't like it, so I didn't watch it, but recently I have been watching it and, it is actually surprisingly good. The animation has it's limits of course, but it isn't distracting, and the story is actually exciting. A lot of the episodes drives the main plot forward. The voice acting is nice, the characters are good, like heck, I even liked the father, the teacher and Aunt Cora, despite them being adults and sometimes unfair! They're pretty realistic, even the bully Maricela was still a person, and I got emotional the first two episodes of the show, because Lucky was treated badly. I see the show has flaws, I am aware, but for being a kids show it is surprisingly exciting and sometimes dark, intense. It is rare to find a kids show with realistic, horrified screaming, too. I'm talking about that moment that Grayson had captured Spirit and Lucky was being dragged away when Spirit was like, tied up... I can see five-year-olds being traumatized at that. And I watched Animals of Farthing Woods as a child, I am emotionally prepared for dark moments. So, of course the movie is the best, but damn, you should not hold a grudge against this show. Dreamworks made this series work... It doesn't make me cringe, like a lot of other kids shows do.

[@notavegan3]

its not that bad but still

[@Ladywizard]

@@titanosaurdy9493 Well it's Spirit son of Spirit or something like that so grain of salt