The Mutt Lange Drum Secret You Need to Know

This will seriously give your drum tracks new life....
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[@paulnagel8161]

That is totally awesome. Nobody is doing this better than Dr. Bob.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Paul

[@seanemmettfullerton]

Herr Doktor B :) THANK YOU!!! for reminding me that my real hi-hat K's are capable of MUCH more musicality than even the best hi-hat samples - incredible complexity, tone and wash! Usually I waste waaaaay too much time trying to breathe life into a stiff sample when the real thing is staring me in the face! 💯

[@gisellechacon7081]

This is a sick trick. Came back to grab the link for a friend at PLAP. Dr Bob is the master of the drums!

[@mcmac1272]

I was programming drums yesterday and was thinking of using my real hi hats. Awesome video as always Bobby!! 👍

[@semi-sound]

The ironic part is they probably thought of it as a compromise at the time, because samplers weren’t really up to the task of reproducing realistic hats and cymbals, due to lack of memory and therefore a lack of round-robin samples. (Single shot samples are fine for drums, not so much for cymbals). But early on also because samplers didn’t initially feature a sample rate that could do cymbals justice. But who knows, Mutt is a genius, maybe he would have recorded live hats and cymbals anyway.

[@alexmurphynj]

Spot on I keep a folder called real Hi Hats Close, Open hard soft 1/4 16ths etc. Same for cymbals. VST Hats seem to fall apart when they're EQ'd compressed and/or limited. Nice to know I'm not alone on this.

[@BobbyHuff]

Nice. The open hats when programming never sound legit to me either.

[@audionmusic2787]

My solution for drum recording: Samples for Kick, Toms, Crash, Splash, China. Mono dry samples 24 bits @ 88.2 kHz or better. Multisamples (Dynamic levels + Round robins at each level) played by Drumagog. Drumagog driven by output of stock DAW monosynth. One instance each drum/cymbal. Controlled via MIDI, either played or programmed. Live hihat, snare, and ride cymbal. Individual takes for each. Close mic in a dead room. Mono recording. Apply individual tracks EQ & compression. Route all to Drum Bus. Drum Bus contains a bus compressor (I use Voxengo Deft) and Convolution reverb for the room.

[@mikewallaceguitar2538]

I bought a hi hat for this purpose. Didn't know anyone else was doing that! Thanks for the confirmation and the free samples!

[@stephenpetermcelroy]

This is amazing Bobby - SO simple, yet I've not thought of this over all of these years! Another gem from Dr. Bob! ❤

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Stephen!

[@teslatravels4197]

Always great tips from Dr. Bob. You've taught me so much. Thank you sir. Came across your presets in the Purafied plugins recently. Also great stuff.

[@scorpio1710]

Your vids are so timely. Using this with my EZD tracks. I’m a drummer too so excited pz!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Scorpio!

[@GreatMotorcyleridesWashington]

The pressure with which the performer puts on a closed hat changes the pitch. I know that is very subtle but those variations in pressure and pitch puts an irreplaceable dynamic in the performance. I

[@Crusaderrocks]

Hey Dr Bob! Awesome video once again, I wonder if you’d be interested in diving into the GNR drum sound (mainly on Appetite, especially the snare) not many videos on it and I know you’d nail it!

[@vicesquadpunk]

Brilliant all the best from London UK 🇬🇧

[@PickettMusic]

Very cool man. Thanks! I have lived with hats that I have programmed to death and you're right...it always feels fake to my ear regardless of what I do.

[@BobbyHuff]

I hear ya Pickett....Ive tried everything and it just adds something REALLY important with a live hat!

[@PickettMusic]

@@BobbyHuff Boston took a sort of similar route on Third Stage (not programmed drums, but triggers for sure). Not sure about the later albums

[@backslash68]

@@PickettMusic I say this as a Boston fan: some of the programmed drums on their Walk on album sound really terrible.

[@PickettMusic]

@@backslash68 I feel like Curly Smith on live drums would have enhanced those sessions. 🙂

[@MySambolina]

Awesome! Thank you, Dr. Bob!

[@sourcefor]

Absolutely!

[@david_farmer]

I've been binging your channel. So much great stuff. Thanks man it's always a fun and informative ride. I'm sooo with you on the hats in libraries. IMO it's got so much to do with the fact that open hats in libraries are "open" and never "openING". There's no movement between the open & closed stages, and understandably so. All the different sloshiness that can be achieved with pedal pressure on the hats, just isn't there. It seems the instruments sometimes interpret MIDI CC (foot pedal) as different hat notes, and sometimes not. But something is missing with the CC interaction and various open/closed states. But again the opening of a real hat has movement, kind of like a vocal "mwah", and that movement isn't there in any library I've come across. When I'm just mucking around here I just leave the MIDI hats, but when it counts, I've got a Paiste hat I record solo like you show here. It's reassuring to find I'm doing one thing right. :) Please keep it up! I so appreciate your professionalism and realism, and diverse appreciation across the musical spectrum. Van Halen to Dua Lipa, I'm with you all the way. It's all good! :)

[@drillhippy5120]

Awesome as always Bob. Thanks for this!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Hippy!

[@Fred.A.Dubeau]

i agree, midi hats, especially rolls (on other cymbals as well) always sound fake to me. that’s why i prefer tracking live drums, even if you’re partially or completely replace the shells with samples

[@BobbyHuff]

Good Fred!

[@craigyoung4068]

Great video Dr. Bob. I also had this idea many years ago. Sounds great. I'm not a drummer and don't need a full drum kit. If I was going to get some cheap high hat cymbals that sound good, what would you recommend?

[@BobbyHuff]

Anything Sabian, Zildjian, or Paiste.

[@JaviBello]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!! Thank you! Downloading as always!

[@BobbyHuff]

JAAAAAAAVVV!! Thanks my friend!

[@jroz8111]

Blown away lol the difference is almost comical it adds so much realism.!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks JR!

[@gracegeek4678]

Get the band to allow Mutt to use the Fairlight CMI and tell your drummer to stay home.

[@sp0rtbilly77]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@somamusicgroup4408]

This is great, thanks Dr.!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Soma

[@kaiulrich6185]

Funny, that is how I treat programming drums since 2015 or so. Does that mean I had the same idea as Mutt Lange ? Where is my grammy ?

[@BobbyHuff]

Hahaha! Great!

[@richprincipe749]

Awesome! What do you use to lay the groove down? MIDI keyboard? Pads? Electronic kit? Thanks in advance

[@BobbyHuff]

I use a keyboard

[@richprincipe749]

@@BobbyHuff Thank you!!!

[@rytchbytchrockingclub3867]

When you say that you've tried ALL virtual drum instruments and none of them deliver good HiHats (or Ride Cymbals, for that matter), I'm sure you haven't used MIXOSAURUS. A discontinued legacy instrument for a number of years now (still running in the latest versions of KONTAKT though) but still miles ahead of all the other stuff in terms of realism, especially in the cymbals/hats. Created by a drummer, and it comes with all sorts of pre-programmed (by a drummer) HiHat and Ride Cymbal MIDI files ready to use and/or analyze so non-drummers can actually learn how these instruments are played (which might give your programming abilities a lift for any software). Disclaimer: I'm that drummer, so obviously I'm biased :).

[@BobbyHuff]

You are correct I’ve never tried it or even heard of it.

[@paulallen6849]

Thanks Bobby. I've been thinking about doing this for a bit. Would you recommend recording with a dynamic or condenser mic for this approach. Also, do you think the same approach should be applied to a ride?

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Paul.. This is a great mic.. www.sweetwater.com/c105--Condenser?highlight=e614d1&mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=1&mrkgcat=drums&percussion&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700073569587951&lid=92700073569587951&ds_s_kwgid=58700007963105270&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=1833520670383&product_id=e614d1&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=c&network=u&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9013115&creative=615094225367&targetid=pla-1833520670383&campaignid=17962511191&awsearchcpc=&&&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxYOiBhC9ARIsANiEIfYs0tk5m13BhJndozW99X-wOqcwxlXhTroJINs-Va6fI1kZppoyuawaAsKbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[@TwoSouls-productions]

🔥

[@antonmaclean8418]

I find on electric drum kits the biult in kits the hihats are to quiet

[@ronaldanderson9263]

I have to go get a hat now. 🤦‍♂

[@iswearnotme]

I don't have drums and i don't have the ability to get them any time soon. But i've found chopping up loops that use real hi hats can be effective, if you are patient and good at choppin. You're right, programming hats is a bitch. I use ezdrummer and i like your ambience trick.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Not Me!

[@tomchandler5648]

Yeah I basically do all live cymbals and keep the shells as samples for lesser priced projects. It works very well. Not only does the hat suck on programs, but so do the rides, and crash riding. It lacks the cymbal back swings and dynamic nuance.

[@kennethlundgren4336]

I have wanted to do this for ages, but havnt get by to by a hi-hat! Btw your voice recording sound pretty muffled and distorted, just saying... 😀

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Kenneth.

[@gatherstudio5219]

Syncopation is impossible to program

[@BobbyHuff]

Yes. It sounds robotic

[@pedromorgan99]

As an engineer in 80/90 proper 24trk machines and mci/studer/otati/soundcraft/lyrec/ This video is Crap.. It does not consider the tape and compression and also MAINLY the time to reqind the tape and play again... I expect in my proessional I spend about 400% of tape time in rewind..

[@nandarajaram7740]

This is just bad hi hat programming.Velocity variation is essential.

[@genephillips4809]

I HATE the sound of midi hi hats. They always sound off to me. You just can’t beat the inconsistencies and imperfections of a real drummer but no… everything gotta be slammed to the grid😂

[@BobbyHuff]

Agreed Gene!