The Naxx Progress BREAKDOWN! - Just How Hard Is It?

[@almostmeek]

Trying to keep a consistent 40 so we can actually run it :( that is the true raid boss

[@Silamon2]

It was always the true raid boss.

[@huntered67]

After 2 weeks we are 10/15 with loatheb, gothik, 4HM, sapph, KT left. We have strictly been raiding two 3hr sessions each week and find ourselves loving the real progression so far

[@mambagoat2494]

What server u on? That is exact situation my guild is in

[@CptBumbu]

Pretty much same here with our raid team at 11/15 and the other team in our guild at 12/15, hoping to get some 4h, Saph, KT attempts this reset haha! Most fun we've had raiding in classic so far by a mile

[@MorvyJ]

@@mambagoat2494 Likewise. Our first week attempts against patchwerk while not worldbuffed, we had some bad hateful strikes that oneshot an offtank or two from full health. We were effectively forced to go for ZG heart and try to one shot it which we thankfully did. Smolderweb represent

[@WizoIstGott]

Exactly the same, we have one 2,5hour and one 3,5 hour raid per week and the same bosses left.

[@Noctrl100]

My guilds at about the same point. It’s a lot of fun. Waaaaaaay more fun than aq40.

[@RZAJW]

Im very happy about the naxx difficulty, this is the kind of challenge i would have expected from earlier raids in classic.

[@Vihara2]

Difficulty is fine, time consuming isnt, the staggering amount of time it takes to get to each boss is gonna genocide guilds and soon, same problem with aq40 x2, we're only getting away with it cuz its new for now.

[@Shervin86]

Given all those raids were approached with end game item stats it was to be expected while naxx was designed towards those end game stats.

[@ARi-ht7su]

This would be correct if there were no consumes in the game - happy for Blizz to patch them out and adopt raid difficulty respectively.

[@andrewg_b]

@@Vihara2 the trash in naxx it’s so bad, the need for endless consumes and world buffs are more annoying imo

[@hellfrost333]

It came out with DMF and they nerfed Sapphiron (Would of been a Smaller Pool of Players)

[@SeldomSeen124]

"Naxx, is it really that hard?" came to mind, so I checked KZbin to see whether or not you have posted your newest Naxx analysis video yet and bam, posted 2 min ago xD

[@Shovelchicken]

Remember, it was said that only 1% of guilds actually cleared naxx in vanilla, 19x that is still pretty damn impressive. And that’s only in the first 2 weeks of it being available.

[@ddfb494355]

It's important to note that 1% was guilds that cleared vs the entire player base Where this list is vs people who have killed Anub'Rekhan

[@g.e.o.r.g.e...]

My server has like 5 guilds which clear it, and about 1200 Chinese botters... so the math still checks out.

[@mirawenya]

Was thinking about a bit ago. Back then, people surely weren’t playing from day one. I’m sure a lot cane in later, like for example when bwl was out, or even aq. Takes time to farm gear. Must have counted for something.

[@mrillis9259]

@@mirawenya I have a theory that not only did people come late to raiding but the huge numbers of wrath raiders just happened to finally get to max level and raid.

[@Shovelchicken]

@@ddfb494355 at the end he’s saying 19% of guilds (who’ve logged) have cleared KT, unless I’m being dumb I don’t know why you’re talking about anub

[@zarebear5690]

Really appreciate the research that went into this, I know you said it wasn't really a thing you were planning on doing for each raid but these have been cool to look at. You're a great content creator and videos like this are what I like to see the most

[@WillEmmo]

Thank you!

[@arthalon5935]

As expected. Naxx was gonna be easily cleared by people who were prepared for years in private servers. But is not as easy for the rest of the world. Like in retail, Mythic can be cleared in 2 or 3 weeks by top guilds, but that doesn't mean that the rest can do it. I just hope that BC comes unnerfed. M'uru (pre nerf) will still be a challenge for not top guilds. Was expecting this kind of info. Thanks for it WillE !

[@Chinchompers]

Great video as always!! I can definitely say that I'm proud of my guild going through all the prep and clearing Naxx by the end of the second week. With so many larger guilds around us just falling apart thanks to Naxx drama makes it time well spent :)

[@rockymountainfacet5958]

Thanks for all that you do Wille. I watch all of your classic content.

[@MellonVegan]

Naxx also starkly shows how much of a boon it is to have paladins in your raid. Of 16 single day clears in my country, only 3 were done by Horde guilds.

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

Yeah, it's true paladins are the best and most effective single target healers of wow classic, though on saff shamans have chain healing which also helps, though totems are less flexible compared to aura's.

[@GS-el8ll]

is playing on easy mode really rewarding though

[@ANTERIORcs]

@@GS-el8ll are you really arguing that having a pala in your raid group is easy mode when everyone are world buffing anyways? rofl

[@thiskneegrow]

@@GS-el8ll Tell that to all the crap players that chose horde for OP racials.

[@hellfrost333]

You're making my 15/15 Week 1 Shaman Blush,

[@tidy3704]

If you check the numbers between Alliance and Horde + guilds that cleared without wbuffs is even more interesting.

[@hellfrost333]

Naxx released with DMF 10% DMG Increases Buff ~ That Sucked!

[@matthewdaniels709]

i never "like" any videos but i liked this one because you put in a ton of work for this one

[@exmaarmaca]

That green gnome kind of stole my soul...

[@Ayayron_e3]

green gnome gives great gnews

[@WillEmmo]

Its definitely the most cursed gnome so far

[@tehpyro86]

You should mention how many guilds have actually fallen apart or lost many players due to the holidays, shadow lands, and other big game releases. I know that has hurt our progress a lot

[@bvyner5727]

Im thinking there will be a consolidation of the people that are still around and want to clear it. My guild is in the same situation and are lacking serious healers. Iv been with the guild since the start of classic, but now hoping for a consolidation so we can get going again.

[@nathancasey7712]

@@bvyner5727 my guild was saying they were struggling finding healers. I haven’t played classic in a long time though

[@Chineseeyes1080]

Yeah my guild is struggling to get 30+ raiders to log on. We cleared anub and faerlina with as few as 32 but couldn't pull off maexxna and noth. Not sure if its retail, the holidays, or fear of wiping that has see our attendance drop but it sucks.

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

@@Chineseeyes1080 could be just christmass and mix between all the others, I do think most guilds underestemated how tough these fights are for healers, my guild had a large influx of smaller guilds which happen to have a good deal of healers and with it we were able to clear nax on the first week and even then it was a slow grind to it, very hard with many switches in between to fill the rolls for many bosses, it's not easy, a lot of work, cordination, focus, time and resources were needed.

[@solame10101]

We ironically had players leave just at the end of aq speedrunning to find a "better" guild, but at the launch of naxx they hit 13/15 and then it all collapsed, while we hit 15/15 first week.

[@ignaciocriado]

Not the first video I see from you Willie, but this breakdown really deserves a suscribe. Keep up the good work. It would be really cool if you could address the guild disruption of this last tier of content by analyzing the number of new guilds or guilds going inactive from the previous patch, I don’t know if you see my point :)

[@Peoplesuuck]

I pointed it out on the last video and now doing the same on this one: SUCH a change of tune from you WillE about Naxx's difficulty. Not anywhere near as easy as you predicted and it is refreshing to hear the change of tone when referring to Naxx.

[@henkjanwolvega]

as always a great video my man!, my guild on Golemagg progressed to 11/15 in week one and we did 2 full clears the last 2 weeks. Saph is a oneshot with wbuffs and It seems like it's extremely hard for horde to actually kill it without at this stage of the game. we actually did KT without wbuffs and I have to say, although costly, it was a really nice progression to have for once. P3 is tough for sure :) 4Hmen isn't super hard i'd say. although the first 5 minutes in the fight is a butt clench for sure!

[@KreaTiefpunkt]

Honestly, the raid difficulty is one thing, but I was really set back by how much druids have fallen off in terms of raw HPS. I know it is unnecessary to compare those numbers, but man are priests strong in p6. Shamans as well, but that is mostly healsniping with t2.5, which also happened a lot in AQ. I used to be pretty up there in terms of HPS with my druid, even without playing regrowth build. I thought my time to shine in this raid tier was Sapphiron, but I just get completely crushed by priests. Managed to get 15/15 in the second reset, to answer your question.

[@MRkriegs]

That hybrid tax will really get a druid down!

[@yazzyyazyaz]

I was top 5 healing on sapph as druid by just spamming R5 rejuv on gcd, by the time you reach the rejuv limit the first one you casted will be falling off and ready to be re-applied. I could have gone much harder as I still ended the fight with 3k+ mana but I was trying to be as conservative as possible assuming the fight would go longer than it did. Sapph is def druid time to shine, I had 7% overheal because on that fight pretty much all your rejuv ticks count. I was in full +hp gear except for 3pc T2 for mana regen. Some druids go full T2 for the rejuv bonus as well.

[@boochgaming2845]

Druid t3 is absolutely insane though. But lately i will admit ive found it easiet to beat druids as a paladin, but priests are still cooked.

[@Janlingchen]

To be honest you get the druid in p6 for that juicy t3 2set bonus proc. So they fulfill their support role pretty well

[@fettbob14]

Super interesting video, thank you so much for taking the time to analyze and present this numbers for my smooth-brain retail LFR drooling mind to understand lol. I don't play Classic anymore, I played Vanilla but didn't really raid as I didn't have a good enough computer to handle 40 nerds at the same time. Also, I mained Balance Druid back in the day...oops

[@FulcrumMW]

Incredible job WillE🙌

[@Falcrist]

I'm the one who made the graphs in /r/ClassicWoW, and I do appreciate the shoutout and tip.

[@WillEmmo]

Heya, I remember the name now! Couldn't quite picture it when I was doing the video - hopefully it helps if you decide to do graphs like that in the future! WCL isnt the best at showing data in a way that means anything sometimes

[@Falcrist]

@@WillEmmo I was manually searching for the final page, but I could fairly easily estimate where each final page was likely to be with a calculator I would have rather done it programmatically, but there doesn't appear to be any "how many items are in this category" function call in their API... And I'm only updating the excel spreadsheet every few days anyway. Warcraft Logs should definitely display it by boss like I did as well as displaying "X/15" like they currently do.

[@SuperSumalu]

Damnit WillE you got me, like and a comment halfway through. Love the content lately!

[@Marcolow69]

Great stat breakdown Wille! My guild is consistently doing 3 different 15/15 clears every week as horde.

[@killval849]

We're at four horsemen, and honestly Naxx is no joke, it's super fun though having a raid that gives some genuine challenge even with world buffs and solid players.

[@FLStories]

lol

[@julien5053]

@Killval : Saphiron will give you even more challenge.

[@DriftNick]

Solid players that can't count to 3?

[@julien5053]

@@DriftNick It's not just that. You need to have enough dps to kill Kroth'azz fast enough and that everyone knows their placement. It needs a few tries for everyone to adjust. But granted it's not the hardest boss, Saphiron is.

[@DriftNick]

@@julien5053 You don't need to burn down Kroth'azz before the dps move off of it, you can take as long as you want if you split the dps, knowing your place is easily planned ahead and moving is as simple as being able to count to 3 (though people still struggle with that).

[@lemonlimey]

We've managed 15/15 on flamelash, we loved the much much harder and engaging content!

[@elmuerko]

Spell batching makes the dance infinitely more frustrating.

[@StNeurion]

It's better to strafe on the safety dance. Running "straight" forward may be leaving your character susceptible to damage far behind the model due to melee leeway.

[@Hephep54]

@@StNeurion this helps. alternatively, once you're confident you're in a safe zone you should perform a quick strafe

[@Whitt09]

this deserves to be top comment

[@CogniVision]

I usually run ahead. If you end up running too far ahead and eating one, it's fine you just slow down a split second. If you fall behind and end up eating one, you're just screwed, you'll never catch up and just keep eating the damage until you die. With the batching you have to give yourself plenty of leeway so go sooner than later. I never have a problem doing it that way. It was worse in vanilla.

[@ashrasmun1]

@@StNeurion everyone is strafing... who in their right mind would walk like people on those videos from back in 2007

[@Zimco]

Me and my guild were but a select few to clear all of Naxx by week 2 without any WBs. It was no joke, but we Got it done 😊

[@Claudiustheimmortal]

Starting fresh with classic beside a level 10 Warlock months ago when I returned to retail Wow. I will honestly be happy enough capping 60 with some moderate PVP and raiding before TBC.

[@vicdarockstar]

10/15 solid - loving this experience- something ive never felt before

[@eagercadet4059]

A lot of the hype of MC, BWL and AQ40 being hard was mostly based of people talking about their VERY FIRST time doing these raids, a lot of people have already talked about player skill and lack of min maxing, the other side that people are forgetting to mention that also played a part was character and item balance, the classes and items changed during the course of Vanilla, classes and specs got buffs or nerfs and some items got upgraded, I remember a picture a guildie shared of some pants that originally were green and had less stats that then were made into blue and given more stats. And while watching one of Preachgaming's videos (one of his Legacy of WoW videos) he mentioned that the Fury spec got some change or buff around AQ that made people consider if it was viable to use the spec. Simply put, Naxx still retains a good portion of it's difficulty because the content is scaled to what we are playing with in Classic while earlier raids were crushed under the weight of Player Knowledge, skill as well as character and item balance

[@Ziharkk]

The stats of how much harder the raid is as a Horde guild are much more interesting tbh

[@johanjarvinen]

Atm 59/41 for KT kills, but there's more top end guilds that went intentionally Alliance.

[@Elrion9]

We got 15/15 on monday night, day 13. It was a super fun two weeks. Our saph kill was mint. We went 13/15 in week one and had so many attempts at saph before our kill.

[@billlange9408]

My raid team is at 12/15. All we have is 4H, Saph, and KT. We had our first attempts at 4H this week and while it was pretty rough, we now have a much better idea of how we're going to clear it. We tried two strats (burning Thane fast and regular rotations). Threat has been a bit of an issue, but I think after log diving this weekend, we'll end up having a better idea of how to go about things. We did Loatheb first thing on our second raid night, and it was flawless. No deaths. Everyone had the right consumes, our spore groups were on point, our positioning and threat were perfect and he went down so easily. We had a new strat for Gothik (everyone on Dead side stack on the exit gate) which just trivialized the fight. I have no doubt we'll get 4H down this coming week. We may still have a few more fails, but I think we'll pull it out by this time next week. I've very much enjoyed Naxx. I was extremely bored in AQ40 (mostly due to not needing almost anything as a full 8/8 T2 Hunter), so this is nice to actual feel fear for once. lol. Progress feels really good and I have an immense sense of pride when my team downs a new boss. Tinuviél - Team Mystic of Triumvirate - Pagle

[@TimStolarz]

Thanks for your hard work WillE

[@toaster13666]

we managed 12/15 in the first 2 weeks (Raidnights á 3h), and now we did 12/15 on a single day ! Really looking forward to monday to progress further :) And as someone who killend loatheb with and without WBs now let me tell you... HELL he is sooo easy if you have worldbuffs compared to killing him without xD

[@tomfrayne9659]

Awesome content. Thanks for hard work

[@theperfectbeing]

Playing as priest I'm having a blast in the raid. I get to use renew on just about everyone constantly, its worth speccing into talents like improved prayer of healing, get to use abolish disease in raid, I'm the MC tank for both Razuvious and Faerlina and gear swapping is actually important. The downside is it is an insane amount of farming with alts for those of us who don't buy gold. Taking the time to farm 15 GSPP, 15GNPP, 10GFPP, 20 dark runes, stacks of major mana pots, mana oils, flasks, sappers, etc is a huge time investment. I've already burned through most of my excess gold. I'm actually currently power leveling a mage with double gathering professions to help pay for consumes and to farm extra herbs/minerals.

[@Greenkrieg]

So glad Naxx is difficult. We are 6/15 after 2 weeks but we are a "dad guild" and only raid 6 hours a week. It's nice to actually see progression instead of just having the whole instance on farm after week 2 like AQ40.

[@steamedturtle]

My guild downed Saph and KT for the first time last night. We got everything but 4H down week 1. We got 4H week 2. And everything else week 3. That puts us in the 80th percentile in the world. Interestingly, in the 90th percentile in the US. The order we went in was built around optimizing world buffs. Our night 1 consists of clearing Construct -> Plague, so we have WBs for Patchwerk and Loatheb. Then Spider since we don't need WBs, and WBs have expired. We'll also clear Raz since the trash after him doesn't respawn after he's down. That's a 3 hour raid night. Then we can come in the next night with WBs again for Gothik, 4H and the rest.

[@Chisegh]

One metric to consider is time to clear the dungeon. Naxx has more bosses than previous dungeons, while raid times for most guilds stayed the same. Having the same time to kill more bosses/complete a longer dungeon will obviously result in less clears early on. It would be interesting to see the average number of wipes for every boss.

[@Janiski]

10/15 with my main because we lost many people due to shadowlands, went to different guild with my alt and got 15/15 quite easily. Its just up to communication and how ppl are prepared for the raid. Had a blast, 10/10 raid!

[@Feledged]

We finally managed a full clear in one night on wednesday. Rebuffed ony and ZG after 4hm to kill sapp and KT, and most importantly, no wipes at all, despite a ninjapull on gothik which left UD side megacucked

[@arcc4]

First week 15/15 and one of the first US Horde guilds to clear, but it took probably 20 hours over three days to get it done. Second week it was 4 hours over two days. This week or next it will be a one day clear. Having said that the difficultly is no joke and bosses will be seemingly impossible for many because on top of having more severe mechanics for punishing mistakes it also has a bigger learning curve regarding organization, meta strategies, and solutions that aren't super apparent. For example, Patchwerk can be very difficult or very trivial depending on the strategy for tanking/healing hateful strikes. Sapph is similar in that beyond the FR gear check its way harder if healers aren't adopting certain strats to maximize HPS that keeps everyone basically full with no problems vs. trying to play whack-a-moll with health bars.

[@davidfence6939]

10/15 so far. Working on Loatheb. Did dry runs (aka no consumes) to work on our heals. We didn't use the PTR, but we're a casual, "dad" guild. We're having a blast. The only problem is the same old problem. You always have a few clueless raiders in a casual guild.

[@thetonyclay]

My guild cleared the first week. We usually raid Sun/Mon, but we added a one time additional day on Thursday when the raid released. That Thursday raid we managed to go 9/15, then on Sunday we got to Sapph, but did not kill him. On Monday we came in, killed Sapph in 3 pulls, and 2-shot KT. Our second week we one-shot every boss and cleared in just under 4 hours. Enjoying the raid so far and look forward to the remainder of Naxx clears with the guild.

[@JabroneyMod]

naxx has been incredibly fun, we spent 20+ hours on our week 1 KT and it felt so worth it

[@joeislove]

I think the biggest challenge for us on Sapphiron was that this whole expansion has led to recruiting a zillion warriors (yay class balance) that only think about hitting their buttons fast and in the right order and who have every world buff, so when you wipe because they all stand in blizzard without moving and you have to do attempts with no world buffs and you tell them that chain heal can't save them from easily-avoided mechanics, it gave them all big sad. Then it just took enough attempts while they figured out how to strafe slightly to one side or another while still hitting their buttons fast and in the right order.

[@goskawow1943]

This just tells me there are a hell of a lot more uber nerds out there than I was aware of

[@nimblelafitte1923]

like comment and already subbed, Love your work, been hanging for this video! Thank you!

[@g.e.o.r.g.e...]

Still working on it. We have like half a roster right now, but still managed to kill 6 bosses... with as few as 22 raiders on some nights. Getting in good practice for TBC lol.

[@dusty_reaper96]

tbc is going to be easy like vanilla raiding if its 2.4.3 if not 2.0 t5 hard as hell vash and kt are no joke

[@g.e.o.r.g.e...]

@@dusty_reaper96 I downed them on retail back in the day. I was making a joke about having the core group of people who are actually showing up to kill Naxx bosses, being more than enough for the smaller raid sizes in TBC. Strolling into TBC content with tier 3 and a thunderfury is going to be a lot easier than the first time around.

[@Presence_o_Mind]

12/15 here. Still struggling a bit with the four horsemen, but damn I'm loving this raid. It should've been like this all year for the entire length of classic. 1.12 talents during the earlier tiers proved to be far more OP which watered down some of the most classic raids in the game. I was really hoping for BWL to be a challenge like it was back in vanilla, but really, only Firemaw was the difficult one. Naxx however, is truly a challenge and makes me proud to have stuck it out this far. This was a time in vanilla when everything was so new and just kept getting better and better. Can't wait for TBC Classic if they do push forward with it, and I'm really hoping they don't screw up the difficulty level like they did royally with the first 5 phases of Classic. Keep up the great work brother. Loving the content.

[@holysecret2]

I don't think the talents are the problem, or are they? Isn't it more like actual nerfs to raids, like boss health and stripped mechanics?

[@Presence_o_Mind]

@@holysecret2 All of the above brother. Low armor on bosses. The talents are a huge change from 1.1 thru even 1.9. The new talent changes of 1.12 were designed to help us be competitive with Naxx and be ready for prepatch going into TBC. We basically rolled into classic, ready for the next expansion before it even got started. Lol.

[@Presence_o_Mind]

We are finally caught up and where we need to be talentwise. Now the true challenge begins. B

[@DriftNick]

@@holysecret2 What mechanics were stripped?

[@DriftNick]

@@Presence_o_Mind Have you read the 1.12 patch notes? not much was changed, all the real changes were made well before Naxx and AQ onwards is pretty much the same difficulty it was in Vanilla even in 1.12.

[@valiumeplayslongplay2513]

Keep putting in that work!

[@treemustach]

My guild was always seen as the less serious one, but we still cared a lot about parses and such but were never really considered to be one of the "better" guilds on our server. Naxx was the end goal for us, but a lot of members are old veterans of the game who never got to complete the raid back in the day. Took us till last Tuesday to get 15/15. 6th on our server, and 362nd in Europe. Then some of the guilds on our server who expected to clear it first week are still sitting at 12 or 13/15. I feel blessed cause even my guild was able to clear it. Preparation is key folks, bring your frost prot potions!!!

[@sherrix6881]

Blessed lol

[@thewinner4me816]

My guild has just 4 horsemen and the final 2 left, it's really nice to have a raid to actually progress on. We had cthun down week 1 of AQ40 (no visc tho) which left us feeling a bit hollow, very nice actually progressing.

[@STINGREDDOG]

12/15 so far. Having a blast 👍

[@RobotShield]

Good job!

[@nolabets3130]

That's huge tho

[@mrillis9259]

Attitude is everything. You go girl.

[@Bobis32]

Lotheb gothic 4h and Thadius are all the events my guild from attending it 5/15 first week 9/15 Week 2 and we raid again tomorrow

[@Herman3387]

Got 13/15 down the first night and then oneshot sapph and kt with fresh buffs the 2nd raid night the first week. Just got the whole raid down in one evening this week at 3h24m (including getting a new hoh and ds buff as we still struggle on sapph without some buffs). Really enjoying the raid so far and I’m looking forward to improving our clear time after new years

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

This was such a fun raid. Nice to be able to farm it from now on

[@op4000exe]

My guild got 4 horsemen down week 2, but wiped loads of sapphiron and progressed there. It's been fun to be honest, although impoverishing as well xD

[@haaselee]

15/15 first night, in the top 20 world, #2 server and #2 country (only 3 guilds in our country did clear it first night, all from our server). Still wiping - 6/2/2, though. But at least, last id we have managed to down sapphiron without any world buff, for the first time. Real challenging and fun raid, the actual patch version is in a very good balance with the difficulty of the content...

[@jacque3427]

On my server which is still high pop, only 3 alliance guilds and 1 horde guild have cleared kt. Of those 4, 3 of them only managed to clear at the very end of last week and they raided 3 nights a week most of them. It's really cool that for once the top end gear of the current raid is actually going to be rare to see in stormwind/org for quite some time. It is so obvious how much the current patch talents, gear, and skills effect the current raid tier. I hope they realize this and do tbc correctly.

[@JoneHoftun]

Been in the same guild for most of classic,, i started to feel like a pool of the raiders didnt really take things seriously and were half-assing it, decided to join another guild that i had pugged with earlier, and we got 15/15 in week 2

[@Simpleborrego]

my guild is 14/15 we barely got saph down after we learned the fight positioning and went back to sw and dropped an ony head. we only got two attempts are kt since it was late but we plan on clearing on monday. a lot of people said they are gonna quit after so we are dead set on getting it down. we almost killed kt at 14 percent too before wipe

[@mrillis9259]

Don't give the quitters any gear

[@FecalMatador]

@@mrillis9259 better yet, bring in a pug and just feed him gear

[@graysroksan]

It’s Monday night. Any updates? Did you guys down it? I hope you did!

[@janodefenua4603]

fun fact: Naxx most players experienced was Wotlk one, but numbers in wotlk naxx were close to vannilla ones so imagine how hard it mush have been when it first came out.

[@jonathanw5317]

We're only sitting at 8/15 but this is the most fun I've had playing classic. And no one's quit yet!

[@mrillis9259]

How heavy are you guys into world buffs an consumable abuse? Just curious. Wish you luck in your raids to come.

[@jonathanw5317]

@@mrillis9259 Thank you! We're pretty casual. Just bout everyone grabs dragonslayer/ZG buff, a lot of people grab DMT but it's not required/enforced. Resistance pots are required, and people are expected to pop full consumes on serious boss attempts but again no ones getting yelled at in discord for not consuming. Flasking is optional and mainly our Tanks and a couple of healers are popping them. It definitely is not the most efficient way to run Naxx but I think it goes a long way to keep people from burning out. We actually killed patchwerk without WBs which was pretty cool.

[@_Tomon]

Great work. But on the other hand, no other Raid in classic had to deal with Shadowlands being released and holiday season. These two things affect most guild's roster, and suddenly your normally strong 40-man machine is lacking its usual performance. Add the cost of consumable and the big time investments and the difficulty goes up. Still Naxxramas is for sure the hardest challenge of Classic WoW and I'm glad about it.

[@Lornext]

If you are mainly a Classic player and are in a guild that clears Naxx, be very aware at what is happening around you! If the people you are raiding with quit right after KT has been downed once, you better leave that guild for one that keeps clearing Naxx for many months to come. It will be much better experience to have a guild in TBC that cleared Naxx multiple times instead of playing with retail tourists who don't give a damn about Classic.

[@username12120]

Just finished my guilds 3rd week of Naxx tonight, we're finally 7/15! We stumbled on Thaddius, we were understrength and couldn't damage him down fast enough before the enrage hit, but we gave it a good go for only 34 people.

[@azureth9544]

We managed to progress through Patchwerk and Loathed without world buffs. Hard fights. then proceeded to one-shot them with world buffs the next reset. Those two fights are really made easier by larger healthpools. Not to mention extra damage. Sitting comfortably at 11/15 with 2 nights of 4hr raids per week. About to try Gothik for the very first time.

[@socialgroup8498]

15/15 in one night was the dream. got it done before the year rolled over.

[@Avenus112]

First run this week, 11/15 first night, 2 more on farm second night and practice on Sapph. I n3ver even expected to go inside, I barely even care if I get any equipment from it, I'm happy just to be present.

[@miothan]

15/15 week one, felt good, but was a bit disappointed being able to skip mechanics in fights such as the Heigan dance, Gluth Decimate, Leotheb's Shadow dmg isn't very dangerous at all if you have high enough dps etc etc. Thx for the research, was interesting to see how majority of people did in naxx so-far.

[@Ras548]

Did come back for naxx after 9 months of absence. Geared my pala with a few pieces of bwl, zg and aq and entered with a *pug* fully expected to clear this thing. After 4 hours saph walled us to much and we called it a day. On the 2nd week I entered with a low effort guild (no world buffs, consumes or resistancegear) and barely got by thaddius ending with 8/15. This week I entered again with a *pug* and we cleared it in only 2 hours and 22 min. Both pugs didn't log so I think the total number of clears are higher than data show. Overall I didn`t expect the difficulty with todays knowledge but I finshed what I couldn't have back then and now I wait until bc. As soon as the mass-hype crowd is gone I will restart on a fresh low pop classic server and hope for a more accurate classic experience with servers closer to the actuall pop of classic.

[@joerivde]

Bit offended Wille, been subscribed for months. Alls jokes aside: still need to clear loatheb, 4h and frost wing :3

[@bubbadumps3747]

I play in a dwarf only RP guild, we have only done one lock out so far, skipping the first week. we downed the first two bosses in spider and the first boss in the military before running out of time and calling it a night. only wiped a handful of times at obvious places like when the priests have to tank etc.

[@Rockmaster867]

So you are missing druids ad mages

[@theperfectbeing]

Have your priests use invisibility potions to initiate the pull, then just do call outs when theres 5 secs to go on shield wall for the other priest to MC the next ad, drop MC off mob soon as next taunt is used, cycle accordingly to avoid mental exhaustion debuff.

[@andrewsheppard1940]

@@Rockmaster867 and locks

[@bubbadumps3747]

We just did our second night, we downed the same bosses in half the time ( i got 700 dps! ) and used the last 3 hours of raid night to try out all the bosses we hasn't done yet so we could start figuring out their mechanics for next week. we found out on noth that you can range the curses damage ( dwarves don't bother despelling curses ) rather then have everyone drink resto pots

[@magnus7249]

My guild is a two days a week raiding guild with world buffs optional (Most bring Head and HoH tho), and we pretty much oneshotted every raid (Except MC where we did have to progress some bosses in P1). We are 10/15, we did take a hit with shadowlands but after our Loatheb kill (Which made many think about quitting classic) we are now back at it. Most our guild seems to love the challenge we encounter, just poor efficiency on trash seems to hold us back. I'm just happy Naxx isn't cleared on week one for us. Would have loved it even more if it came out in january.

[@lolpaladins]

FWIW anecdotally my guild raids 9 hours a week. (3 raid days, 3 hours a raid), we are a mix of relatively casual and hardcore players and have had difficulty with attendance all year (low pop server, off-prime raid time 11pm server) we are 4/15 with several of our kills only having had 36 people (and far from ideal compositions)... In the past week alone we have lost 4 players to other more progressed guilds. So good luck to us, but I highly doubt we'll be finishing this raid instance before TBC releases. The top horde guild on my server has not yet killed Gothik and we're somewhere around 4th best horde guild. As a vanilla raiding veteran, this is what I expected.

[@Vedders91]

the TL;DR Stats for Naxx after 2 lockouts. Spider Wing (11,470) Anub'Rekhan (11,407) Grand Widow Faerlina (11,179) Maexxna Plague Wing (11,030) Noth the Plaguebringer (9,443) Heigan the Unclean (5,381) Loatheb Death Knight Wing (8,999) Instructor Razuvious (6,597) Gothik the Harvester (3,508) The Four Horsemen Abomination Wing (8,643) Patchwerk (8,587) Grobbulus (7,593) Gluth (7,133) Thaddius (2,359) Sapphiron (2,191) Kel'Thuzad %Compared to Anub Kills: 97% Spider Clear 62% Construct Clear 47% Plague Clear 30% Military Clear 20% Sapph Clear 19% KT Clear

[@johanjarvinen]

Since I saw this claim on r/classicwow fairly recently, let's again remind people that Viscidus was not the hardest boss of AQ40. This is how to kill him with zero player skill required: Level engineering on everyone in your raid. Get frost weapons and oils for everyone. Get about 10 Elixir or Poison Resistance and macro them to your most used skills. Do not use any Nature Resist gear. Incoming damage will be so low that your priests can just want the entire fight. You then time your Goblin Sapper Charges to blow up the blobs during p2. Viscidus is a great encapsulation of where the difficulty of Classic is: If you can be arsed to throw money at the problem it's actually almost impossible to wipe on this boss. Loatheb is another boss like this, 4HM difficulty can greatly be reduced if you got your Broken Reel's from ZG ahead of time, throwing money at resistance gear and consumes will make Sapphiron a lot easier.

[@slotrans17]

2/15 after 3 weeks, it's just as hard as i remembered it. With the crushing consumable demands, and only 1 night a week to spend, there's no way we ever clear it.

[@Pedalbored]

I quit Classic whenever AQ dropped and my server opened the gates within 14 hour or some crazy shit. I started playing just to enjoy that event and AQ. Ironically it killed the hype for me. Having to farm world buffs and wait for a raid just to clear it 30 minutes faster was dumb too. I love WoW and the lore, but these days I just stick to Hearthstone and live vicariously through your videos.

[@blech71]

I just joined a guild on Ashkandi that has two teams progressing Naxx. Rather exciting stuff!

[@kiddfury]

12/15 on feral last week (not raining anymore, 11/15 on my boomkin and hunter this week. Having fun with the progress. Hopefully more on boomkin this week since we did 11/15 in 1 day and 1 more raid on sunday.

[@simoncodrington]

Great video mate. Good to see how everyone's going.

[@jgalla5549]

Got 15/15 and our first Garr binding less than an hour later on Wednesday. We've been running MC since the first week of Sept. 2019 and JUST got a Garr binding... I think we only missed 1 lockout in the last 15 months too.

[@stranger6822]

Main thing irritating me right now is the very specific raid comp needed to handle Naxx. You pretty much need 12 healers and at least 8 people capable of tanking. That's a very specific setup. Only 20 slots are left over for the myriad of players who only want to DPS.

[@clintongriffin2077]

Just remember. Back then you had fewer runs through MC and fewer runs through AQ40. A lot of guilds hit 2 in spider quarter and eventually broke up, rather then AQ40 grind to max out your chances. Back then Ping and the dance where disgusting. Ping was a huge issue for construct quarter.

[@Swiftrootsdadudu]

15 years, and we've gone from .05% of worldwide guilds clearing Naxx... period. To 19% clearing within 2 weeks. I'd say that makes Naxx still pretty hard. Although, more or less comes down to who's got the bigger wallet.

[@alexmercer4642]

One more raid day this Monday and we just need to kill 4H, Saph, and KT. Last week we got stuck on Saph but have since accumlated A LOT more FR epics (including the ring!). I think a lot of guilds are going to have Naxx on farm in the next week or two.

[@noahwolcott1462]

Love ur vids man lmao

[@aroundthefur1210]

People don’t go to classic for hard raids, actually quite the opposite if anything. The spirit of the RPG and the actual sense of a community (for better or worse) is why people play.

[@mattbrown4833]

My guild is pretty casual and we’re at 11/15. We cleared the Spider wing first night and now are at the point where we’re confident with 11/15. Patchwerk was definitely more of a roadblock than anticipated. Tomorrow we’ll hopefully 1-shot Loatheb then start work on 4H.

[@unbr3akable688]

Our guild cleared Saphiron and then KT last Thursday. Saphiron was very hard. We gave up on trying to do it without world buffs. So we practiced the fight without consumes for over an hour, then went out to get world buffs again and we one-shotted him on the next attempt. One shot KT.

[@isair81]

Full clear in the 2nd week, now we hope to not lose to many players over the holidays and work on execution. The goal is obviously to get Naxx down to a single raid but barring that 13/15 first night, then knockout Sapph/KT with worldbuffs the next raid, then do AQ40 or something.

[@Ryan_hey]

Loving Naxx but upwards of ~6 players quit from guild in past month and we were already raiding with only 35, so it's been hard clearing with 30-35 players, some of which are new players that are not well geared at all...but we have to take what we can get at this point. A body's a body.

[@schert5648]

Same with my guild. We always had too few Healers, but so far we could just outdamge the boss so we didn't need as many Healers, but now we feel the pain of healing Patchwork damage with 9 healers

[@Ryan_hey]

@@schert5648 Yeah, Patchwerk is just not doable without enough heals. It's been hard for us too. A good challenge, I just hope it doesn't break the guild due to dwindling numbers!

[@HugeAckMan420]

Had a look at an old video series from 2006 (Devlin's Naxxramas Series) - in a couple of videos you can see the damage meters and it's... uhh... interesting to compare them to the current ones :P

[@lohse63]

Looking forward to a T5 version of this!

[@palmpalm7633]

Pretty sure we`ll be at 7/15 this Tuesday, and I can`t say it`s hard, it`s just takes a lot of practice. With enough practice and effort any aq 40 clearing guild should be able to do it. Hardest part for me is to endure endless DMT runs, but I guess it`s different for our healers, since we kept loosing MT on Patchwerk for like 5 tries and downed him in 15, but lesson learned i believe, so it`s going to be 1st try kill next time, I hope. Pay attention, grasp mechanics and keep your head up.

[@SeruraRenge11]

I'd say this is the peak of pre-modern wow raiding difficulty by Kael'Thas Sunstrider at The Eye is really fucking hard. So much so that he's harder than the majority of Black Temple which is the next raid.

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

New World First Challenge: First guild to 15/15 Naxxramas without world buffs, consumables and backup characters.

[@Mason1968PL]

We got 10/15 so far doing 2 3 hour raids in semi-casual guild but we got 9/15 on wednesday in just one raid night so we are probably going to get atleast 12/15 by the end of this week if not more. Loatheb was the biggest issue so far, Patchwerk is pretty tough fight but we managed to get it killed relatively quickly so far it was always close tho. Also everytime we manage to lose wbuffs in some stupid way on trash or on Anub and then not wipe at all later. Easier fights like Heigan are definitely more fun than previous raids from dps perspective but the harder fights are just annoying because there is not much u can do if ur healers/tanks are not up for the task. Margin of error for healers is too low and also u have to change from standard 8-10 healers to 12 atleast which for some guilds might be hard if they didn't expect it. Generally i don't think fully mitigation geared tanks should be dying this fast and raid damage on fights like sapphiron should be lower considering basically complete lack of aoe healing atleast on alliance. It just makes the raid too much reliant on having god healers.