The Need for Transparency - Wavedash Highlights

[@chaoticblitz]

This is a good discussion but, within the clip at least it fails to highlight one important thing. This isn't necessarily a "Bandai Namco" problem. If you look at Tekken 7's sister series (Soul Calibur VI) you can find detailed patch notes which highlights and explains all levels of a patch. The Tekken team should just follow their example as it's the better format.

[@ganjaman59650]

Do you understand they sell frame data as dlc?

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@ganjaman59650 That's laughable, yup.

[@Nawrly17]

I like these highlight videos, can't watch the entire vod most of the time. I like hearing everyone's thoughts on the topics

[@Czulki]

Great idea with the highlights. I usually don't have enough time to watch the entire vod.

[@justindeleon268]

Imagine If bandai namco listened to you guys. A group of knowledgeable members of the community whose voices literally lead the community. Tekken would be Godlike and no doubt mainstream. We need people who are invested and play the game to decide the direction of the game.

[@XIVDock]

Though I agree that there needs to be clearer communication, especially with patch notes, I’d like to point out that it may not necessarily make players feel better about changes to their character. Using SC6 as an example, I’ve read about many Sophitia players being unhappy that she is having her fundamental tools nerfed and being compensated by buffing moves that are considered gimmicky. Even with a rationale for changes, there’s always going to be a risk of alienating some players. Maybe I didn’t pick Sophitia because of the vision that exists for her now. Maybe the rationale won’t really change anyone’s mind, who really knows? I’m starting to think that either the devs can’t find a middle ground that pleases the player base (and maybe there’s not one) or that players are just prone to complain. I want to see devs make improvements too, I’m just afraid it’s still going to be a matter of damned if they do, damned if they don’t with certain things, especially game balance.

[@Taziod]

Thing is if they start to divert a character from what you enjoyed about them, you can see plain and simple it's happening. It's not as if you just sit idly by, wondering why moves are being changed until two seasons go by and you realize your character is a shell of it's former self.

[@egrassa1480]

Yeah, it doesn't matter. You will not like the changes regardless of their reasoning. But explaining changes helps players to get devs ideas, and sorta see in what direction game is going

[@XIVDock]

@@Taziod While this is probably more true for fairly casual players, I think most people who've invested considerable time in a character will notice when something central to a gameplan is changed. As useful as it is to understand what the devs' vision is, I think it can be a double edged sword in that some people may not read the technical details of patch notes and abandon characters based on dev rationale without giving the character a fair shake. A lot of people already do stuff like this based on tierlists honestly.

[@ThinkingHuman]

The combo damage in Tekken has gotten ridiculous.

[@ganjaman59650]

Dont wait for mainman to complain about that, as long as kazuya and geese are insane he will never complain.

[@63skarduken]

Q he says geese needs big nerds constantly

[@iNtheC1ouds8736]

I absolutely agree with the point regarding detail explanations of why a character was nerfed/buffed. It just gives a clear idea of what the devs are going for a character,so that it doesn't leave the community totally baffled of why suddenly a big patch comes through for no reason that absolutely changes a character. Buffing fundamental moves like pokes and ss is actually a good way to go after thinking about it. It doesn't change the overall of a character too much, but gameplay wise for (maybe top ranks/pros) will change quite a bit due to how they prioritise fundamentals in their gameplan. Lets just hope S4 will be better for Tekken.

[@fishes002]

We need looneylili on the stream 💋

[@Supersmallpig]

We need Anna has good long range punish moves......鐵拳6到鐵拳7 Anna 從來沒有確反工具這都什麼鬼。。。。。

[@Senumunu]

i dont think she is that vocal about these things. on the Lili character episode however...

[@danielcordoviz8670]

Yes! I think that Lenka can add her own insight to other characters in the roster like Lili, Xiaoyou, and Zafina! Hopefully they'll have her in the coming episodes! ^^

[@since2133]

We need Anna to be fixed and not buffed.

[@bastinelli443]

The power creep is starting to really bother me. I'm sick of making one mistake and paying three quarters of my life for it. I'm tired of getting carried all the way to the wall, losing a shit ton of health. It's not fun anymore.

[@RaeBordz27]

*Instead of buffing/nerfing things can we just point out to bandai namco to put a description why they buff or nerf this move especially the homing sweep to mishimas, They didnt explain at all why they gave mishimas a homing sweep then removes it for like a few weeks and heihachi get to keeps the homing sweep, It doesnt make sense at all, I dont know if they really trying and care to fix the game balancing at all tbh*

[@herokiryu2652]

They did explain.. Murray says said,"no one side steps hellsweeps".

[@egrassa1480]

@@herokiryu2652 that's his opinion, pretty sure other guys make balance decisions. Can't he ask them and say what they said?

[@RaeBordz27]

@@herokiryu2652 What i meant is *IN THE ACTUAL PATCH NOTES*

[@kaibaman9651]

Hero Kiryu that was Murray’s bad attempt at a joke

[@egrassa1480]

@@kaibaman9651 he was actually serious tho, that's the problem

[@Repetz94]

i agree buffing pokes and nerfing combos

[@Guitar-Dog]

Thanks again for the highlights

[@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP]

I know it would be very hard to do with the entire cast, but I do really hope they find a way to even the playing field for all characters. I'd really love to see more diversity in tournament. Theres like 50% of the cast that we rarely see in the top 8. Theres never nina, anna, feng, asuka, lei, leo, lars, josie, miguel, maven, katarina, yoshi, lili, ling or gigas among a few others that dont come to mind at the moment ever in top 8...and when they are in the top 8 it's usually a character loyalist that is very good that has a very good tournament, but doesnt typically make top 8 very often. That's such a huge chunk of the cast that we never see.

[@Senumunu]

Ling and Asuka were quite common in s1. especially in pools. top 8 is a high threshold bcs you also see the same people in top 8 time and time again so its obv their main character will be up there. if all the top players dont like the aesthetic of a "good" character than you wont see that character.

[@yamatosama6028]

One of the things I think we need the most by far is indeed developers notes, is very basic and I feel it would do wonders to start making us have a better communication with them

[@somethingsomething9006]

Soul Calibur is pretty good at it. Every single major patch is neatly sorted, and has a paragraph telling you the thought process behind the changes, what the major changes were, and why they made them.

[@zangana3052]

Love these bits man. Keep them up! We really need a hitbox check on the characters. Like hopkicks whiff on a low at range 0 like there is no tomorrow. Am I the only one who sees that regularily?

[@EXDPresso]

Early 😳, also I like the idea of buffing pokes!

[@JarlSwagDog]

Yes wouldn't mind eliza getting new low poke

[@lazytommy0]

I love these chats

[@panah8394]

One of the things I especially like about competitive Rainbow 6 Siege is that the devs will usually put dev notes along with their patch notes, explaining what they want to see, or intend to happen with the change they've implemented. It helps frame their decisions more clearly; but the cynic in me thinks it's a problem with Harada/Namco just wanting to change things merely for the sake of it. He seems like the kind of person who would push for a fully tracking hellsweep cuz _"Woah holy shit how insanely crazy would that be?!"_ and alot of the time, Harada seems to care more about the shock and hype that a patch will create; rather than whether it's actually going further towards balancing the game.

[@justindeleon268]

Idk if this has been talked about but I have a solid idea for tutorial. What if Tekken s4 or Tekken 8 added daily challenges. For example Successfully land 5 i13 punishes in a match. Not only will this give points but this will also teach players how to play the game. Points can go towards a scale like a battle royal and once a certain amount of points are earned a sick customization or ost is added. Make online fun again!

[@LarsWins99]

DEEAAAHHHH!!!

[@madil2259]

I agree

[@Charlie2005-x7p]

If we're buffing fundamentals can Asuka's 1 jab not be -2 on block? Thanks

[@trezayngounder558]

isn't the main problem with her 1 jab the range? I don't play her or anything that's just what I heard

[@RaeBordz27]

@@trezayngounder558 Wait its -2 on block? lol

[@TheShowbiz54]

@@trezayngounder558 the issue is no natural combo with her jab strings. so her 10f punish is trash compare to the cast

[@holymoly12345]

@@RaeBordz27 her 1 jab is -1 to -2 and no extension. her ten frame punish is just 10 damage.

[@63skarduken]

Kien Truong weird... it’d make sense for a defensive character to have good punishment

[@Supersmallpig]

講得太對了。比我經常打比喻的彩虹六號製作組認真聆聽的對比還精彩。日本公司的這種傲慢簡直是亞洲專制文化遺毒。帶著這樣的遊戲製作態度。作為 Esport 能讓人滿意跟興奮激動麼？Book 今年拿到冠軍時連他自己都忍不住開了個冷笑話。其他普通玩家有多憤怒可想而知。。。

[@adamseptian6922]

i will be happy if all the move got buff

[@balote1983]

everyone who understands how awful season 3 is, should give the game a negative review in metacritic and in steam. i for one did.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Mfw Tekken adds more moves instead of removing about 50% all the moves or smth. So much chaff and bloat.

[@ganjaman59650]

If this was handled as well as for characters like lee, wich i know is "low tirer" this wouldnt be a problem.i mean i think lee has 170 move and this is what make him fun to play because they all have a purpose, even if it's only poking or being a false but fun electric, on the other hand lei has like 240 moves i think and this is not even half the fun.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@ganjaman59650 I was thinking more along the lines of 40-50 moves per char tops but baby steps would be an okay compromise.

[@bitoka2]

more moves is more fun. Don't care about being bloated. People use 30 or 40 moves anyway