The New 2023 Toyota Crown Is a Weird Decision

[@cookierepairprojects4544]

Theory, The Crown is made specifically for old people, it’s raised height is not for clearance but for seat height to make it easier to get in and out of for the elderly

[@EvaSlash]

And for the 70% of obese/overweight American population

[@dave3657]

And for those who has arthritis , bad knees, or are taller than four feet high. 😊

[@KATAKI.]

@@EvaSlash lmao🤣🤣

[@Vorael]

in that case it kinda makes some sense i guess? easy for the olds to get in and out of, slow because you know they're gonna be going like 63 in the left lane regardless, and big car to cash in on the nostalgia they have for their 1976 buick whatever the fuck. all that combined with the fact that the segment has basically evaporated at this point and it has virtually no competition and i could actually see this car being modestly successful for a while.

[@ggphotographyny]

My thoughts exactly. Old people were mostly who bought the outgoing Avalon anyway.

[@Fastar76]

Here is my reason for this car: Since this is to replace the Avalon which is mostly bought by older buyers who wanted a softer ride and not really care too much about power and speed. So this seem to actually make sense to me (I know my idea isn't going to be a popular one), the older buyers normally do have issues with their legs and knees, etc. My parents for example likes driving CARs, and not SUVs, but with their bad knees, it is really hard for them to get in and out of their cars, so having the Crown as a Car, but with higher seating position, it means it would be much easier for older buyers to get in and out of the vehicle. Also give it a car feel and not an SUV that many may not want to own. One thing I starting to notice more and more is that as we advance in technology and sell more high tech gadgets, it is harder and harder for old consumers to use. Many aren't good with smart phones, many aren't good with new techs in cars, etc. Even some covid tests are depending on apps. While I understand the focus is younger people, but something should still be considered for the older consumers. Just my 2 cents.

[@scuckplexity]

You have cooked and it's well served

[@youwantadrink2641]

that was the whole reason the Venza existed, ride height for older folks, SUV styling, and was suppose to also steal outback customers

[@MrShieldsdb74]

My exact thought. The wife's DD is a Kia Cadenza. We are both 50 yrs old and it is getting more and more difficult to exit the car.

[@AHungryHunky]

This makes perfect sense to me, older folks that want easy access but also still want a sedan. If you look at the B segment crossovers, the ones meant to appeal to 20 something's as a "beginner" car, they have been historically been bought by older people. Why? Because they are small enough to live with but tall enough to get into. Your KIA Souls, Jeep Renegades, Chevy Trax... All of those are meant, except maybe the Trax, to appeal to a youthful market and yet most of the time when you pass them I bet the occupant isn't younger than 50.

[@landcruiserfan4206]

@@AHungryHunky I am old and my bones hurt.

[@TGreerTGreer]

I live in Japan. The Crown is one of the most iconic Toyota brands in terms of its history, so the SUV-like styling was a big shock to the car scene here when it was announced. But honestly, after seeing a bunch of these new Crowns on the street, I think it looks rather elegant and certainly worthy of the Crown moniker, especially on the trims where the plastic wheel arches are body-coloured and not black plastic, like the new Subaru WRX.

[@TheW11slim]

I lived in Japan for a few years. The Crown was a luxury model. Always thought it was nice.

[@seya_eury]

The new crown looks horrible. The last generation was elegant.

[@blackcatvibing]

Maybe you forgot toyota land cruiser that an iconic toyota suv

[@MrMustangrick]

This car is stupid. For a little over $59k you can buy the Lexus ES hybrid and have a luxurious sedan. They should have keep the Avalon. Stupid decision Toyota.

[@MrMustangrick]

That should be $50 k above.

[@gort8203]

It's not weird, it's bringing back the proportions cars had back in the 50s and 60s as opposed to modern sedans. People like the comfort of sitting upright in a seat rather feeling like they are on the floor, and they like a view of the road and head room. This car is a happier balance for someone who wants a more comfortable sedan rather than an SUV.

[@NubiaisUNeek]

Best answer!

[@VonikGames]

I have a Tesla Model 3 and I love it because of the ride height!! I can see the front hood!!

[@sjgoff]

Getting 40mpg in a fairly large, comfortable 'sedan' is pretty impressive. I can see its place in the market.

[@MrPland1992]

Not really when a corvette gets 35 highway

[@Littlegoblinfatface]

Except it looks ugly

[@Littlegoblinfatface]

And isn’t priced right at all

[@mikehi7797]

@@Littlegoblinfatface yeah it should be cheaper

[@10RRASK]

@@MrPland1992 and a Geo Metro gets 50. And my moped gets 100. But none of them are going to comfortably haul 4-5 adults.

[@mjjferreira]

That's a car to drive and relax. Why does everything need to be fast and dynamic? It seems to be an amazing car for it's purpose.

[@tronbonn]

All it needs is a lift back trunk and I’m sold

[@Tenkaichibudokai22]

Everything needs to be breaking the sound barrier nowadays in order to be considered "dynamic"

[@-_--le3zk]

The thing is crown was a completely different car than this is, crowns used to be a large sedan with luxurious interior and they could go fast and be fun if you wanted

[@RubyRoks]

If you want someone to review cars as an appliance, Doug isn't the guy for that. There are other channels who look at cars from that lens. Check out Motorweek.

[@australiantruckspotting8883]

With hard sports suspension that’s not easy on older backs

[@Mk-qb2ny]

It's fantastic that there's still a car that's not hopping onto the obligatory performance wagon. Comfort is king for many people frustrated why their car has to perform on track that exists nowhere in daily life rather than on the potholes that do. And it's a nice looking, practical niche car. Glad it exists.

[@bradygiltz5160]

Well Toyota has been selling the crown for decades now and it's the Rolls of japan..so no sporty doesn't work

[@Samuel-xs2yv]

The top trim has 340hp. That's quite a bit!

[@lzh4950]

@@bradygiltz5160 I believe the Century is even more luxurious, though the Crown is commonly used as a cop patrol car in Japan too

[@jamesdaple9951]

This guy is good!😊

[@voidlight6006]

What? Less than 20% of vehicles released are performance minded in any way.

[@AU9377]

I think this is one of the most appealing design choices Toyota has made in a very long time.

[@luckystar0131]

I agree. I didn't really get Toyota's designs for their sedan line-up until this!

[@SME5724]

@@TopStrikerMaverick no he just doesn’t have the same opinion as you …

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

@@SME5724 that’s grounds for insanity, under my kingdom

[@SME5724]

@@TopStrikerMaverick off with his head ?

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

@@SME5724 that’s the spirit 🥲

[@akok4200]

As a person who isn't elderly (lol), I can appreciate this model. I personally have a 2020 Corolla night shade SE. I've test driven a Rav-4 which I thought I wanted to purchase. For me, it was way too large and felt clunky. I want to trade in my car but wasn't sold on a different model car as I felt the Camry is over saturated and I want something a little taller and roomier. Answered prayers! I want to test drive this asap

[@genebelledulay3593]

Exactly. This is just what I want. Not everyone wants a SUV. O also like different and this different 😉

[@bucketrance]

Never get SE. I made the mistake tires are expensive and no comfort

[@emiliobautista1461]

I’m buying one!

[@jacobyo99]

The fact that it’s not a hatchback is a mind boggling decision. It’s literally shaped like one

[@Bigern2998]

That is a "missing piece" for me too.

[@MateuszZwierzycki]

Cutting costs

[@JL-sm6cg]

Ford Pinto sedan (raising hand): Um, over here.

[@canto_v12]

Hatchback definitely unlocks more cargo room but you give up rear end structural rigidity. Perhaps Toyota wanted to preserve some of that for the Crown, it was never meant to be the most practical car anyway-they have the RAV4 for that.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

​@@MateuszZwierzycki Nope, there is a hatchback version, but they won't sell it in the U.S. because the average American is allergic to hatchbacks/wagons.

[@Rapidcrumpet]

Good to see a non-SUV alternative, I like it. Not everything has to be tall and ponderous on the road

[@DANIEL.KOSIOREK]

I feel like most car critics said this car would fail, but... I see them popping up all over. It is rather snowy where i live, and the raised sedan is becoming quite popular!

[@FrankieProkop]

Very, very intrigued by this. Utterly bizarre. But that Sportcross is 10000% times more intriguing.

[@johndc2998]

Review has been out for 3 months...

[@didybopintitys]

@@johndc2998 where? It hasn’t came out yet

[@frizzionnare]

​@@johndc2998 yeah, that's exactly why he teased the video in the Cars and Bids section.

[@grabsme]

I've got a Lexus is300 sport cross and I love it. Only has 45k miles.

[@Hallowsaw]

The price is too high... you can get a cx-90 for that price. Let that sit in

[@tompauly6621]

I think the exterior styling of this vehicle really stands out a lot from other full size sedans on the market when you look at the two-tone paint version. If you opt for this option the entire rear including the trunk is painted black while the rest of the car is the main color. Not saying it looks great but it's definitely a head turner.

[@MilanStier]

I actually agree, even though Doug clearly dislikes it I think this is a good looking one and could even achieve some level os success.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@MilanStier 2023 Toyota Crown imo looked like a little downgraded NASCAR GEN4 STOCK CAR.

[@MilanStier]

@@purwantiallan5089 oh agressive hehe! It's your pov then, it's fine.

[@stewartlocklear7366]

Actually some of that 2 tone color isn't paint, it's molded plastic. I was shocked when I saw it in person. It looks better in the video and photos.

[@MuddafukhingdisKUST]

@@MilanStier it's fucking hideous. the last gen crown looked way better. this is such a downgrade

[@ProductofNZ]

In Japan, mature drivers buy the Crown, younger folk buy the Venza (or Harrier as it is named in Japan) So in terms of the driving experience, it's perfectly suited to the target market...in Japan. In other markets, it appears to be a harder sell.

[@hey696969]

In europe we only receive the boring models

[@M.sami12]

The middle east still love large sedans. Basically All the chrysler 300 sales are there.

[@johndc2998]

Vensa is an suv. Crown is a sedan.

[@gracou976]

Off topic ... I love the Sienna...whether it's a suv van minivan whatever

[@gracou976]

@@M.sami12 just learned the 300 was still in production

[@maddydog]

This car is beautiful!! My entire family own Toyota’s my father is a retired Toyota mechanic, my two brothers own a Toyota dealership, Toyota’s are the best and most dependable vehicle you can buy 💙

[@quaidmciver172]

Nice review. Platinum Crown actually doesn’t use a planetary gear set aka Toyota E-CVT, but use a new 6 speed torque converter automatic transmission and uses a different RWD bias full time all wheel drive system.

[@evdanielsson7]

thank you. glad somebody said it. his reviews are getting less factual. he just glazes over stuff a lot it seems.

[@pauldzim]

@@evdanielsson7 Doug makes a lot of videos, I don't think he has time to get every last detail right. plus most people probably don't care, they just want to see the quirks and features

[@evdanielsson7]

@@pauldzim yeah but he is super thorough with some cars. I get he’s busy. but why even bother if it’s just gonna be a half ass review.

[@zukacs]

Toyota sedan owners dont care about transmission

[@johnirvine5588]

@@zukacs wrong, no cvt please

[@DubiousGamingOnline]

I'm an Avalon owner, former Venza owner. I'm highly interested in this car because as someone from Denver, the biggest complaint with my Avalon hybrid is the lack of AWD.

[@franko8572]

Subaru for you?

[@Cooperyan95]

I from asia and toyota crown very love in my place. Pls, read history about this is car. Back generation Toyota Crown better. I don't know like to create crown for usa market, but in japan market crown is Luxery sedan

[@ValentinoBentley]

Lexus offers ton of awd sedans. Loved all 3 of mine so far

[@texan903]

2021 Avalon sedans had available AWD.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@franko8572 Subaru 360 and Daihatsu Midget 1963 both are better than 2023 Toyota Crown despite both are far slower.

[@MrBrowland77]

I love the styling. Not every car needs to be built for “performance” and “canyon-carving”. 99.9% of the time people are commuting, not trying to push the limits, but just getting around town. Plus, it is a Toyota. I love it. A+

[@aperry4672]

I really like the look of it a lot. All the SUVs look the same, regardless of the manufacturer and it’s nice to see something that looks different!

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

It’s a chubby bubble that reminds me of agenda 2030

[@TheFragrantClerk]

The lines are good but that “grille” situation up front looks like crap. 💩

[@Sean-ec8zb]

The Crown badge is Greatly respected in many parts of Asia for its astonishing reliability. Together with the Land Cruiser n Hilux, they are Toyota 's workhorses. In Malaysia at one time , taxi drivers used to purchase these Crowns second hand after they had been used as taxis for 10 years n they still run better as taxis than most other new cars n outlast them.

[@adnamamedia]

This seems like an amazing car though. Not every car has to be fast and well-handling. The crown has loads of rear passenger room, a massive trunk, modern tech, what more could you ask for? It uses the interior space very efficiently

[@damham5689]

I never got the "fast" part. Maybe what? 10% of the people really want a car that goes 0-60 under 5 seconds, but probably 90% of drivers dont care if it breaks the sound barrier or burps loud exhaust sounds. Does any of that even matter when stuck sitting in rush hour traffic, driving to work, taking the kids to school, soccer practice, grabbing groceries ? I think most want decent safe performance and handling, nice quiet ride and good mpg. IMO. Same for off road use. Id bet 80% drivers dont go off road beyond occasionally parking on a grass lot or lawn. Now thats not saying AWD is not needed, I love awd especially in snow or rain, but how many really use it to crash through desert valleys or bust a creek trail in the deep woods ?

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@damham5689 yep. They forget about accelerating parts.

[@Josh_Quillan]

If you're not really into cars, that's fine. But this is at least $41,000 (+dealer markup) for something unexceptional; if unexceptional modern tech and space for passengers and cargo is all you want, many other cars have these very ordinary features, so just buy a used whatever for way less. Personally if I was going to throw that sort of money down I'd want the moon on a stick. Besides, one of the major problems with the design of this car (there are many) is that the silhouette is sporty and sleek, but the gigantic wheels and sheer bulk are definitely not; it looks like it is supposed to be fast, but it definitely isn't.

[@rairadrai]

@@damham5689 most people I know who lease a Porsche Cayenne or some type of a BMW NEVER floored it. They don’t know what engine or which axle is powering it.

[@AnnatarTheMaia]

What more could I ask for? A TOYOTA D4-D diesel engine in a station wagon with a manual transmission, that's what. Actually if I could really get what I want, I'd want a 6+ liter V8 direct injected turbo diesel in a station wagon, with a Tremec six speed manual transmission. If I'm really honest.

[@yash.kapoor]

0:30 sore throat ain't stopping Doug from promoting C&B like usual, much respect 🙌

[@petesmitt]

his game plan is build it up to the point that he can sell for big $$$..

[@HoneybeeCocobutter0806]

I bought one in August and so far I’m loving it and get lots of compliments from strangers. Yes the SUV has taken over for years and is a very useful body style but it is also so common to the point of boring at this point. I probably fit into that older person category but this is a beautiful car and everyone wants better mileage these days.

[@masoudsakha9331]

I think this car is beautiful

[@akok4200]

Thanks for your review! I want to trade my Corolla and I think this is perfect for me

[@tbld2827]

What color did you get?

[@HoneybeeCocobutter0806]

White!@@tbld2827

[@larryolsen-8998]

I agree 100% The SUV is boring. They all look the same.

[@scubasleeve3497]

Thanks for doing this one. We're thinking of this for a replacement for our Accord. It's not an "exciting" car but seems like an practical upgrade to the Accord we have. More interior room, better fuel efficiency, and a bit more luxury. Styling is a bit odd and will be polarizing I'm sure, but I kinda like it.

[@mfaris4467]

Do yourself a favor & keep the Accord.

[@masonvevo.]

Look into the turbo model, the Platinum

[@gto6254]

This new Crown reminds me a lot of the 2010-2015 Accord Crosstour, but it's much easier on the eye, so there may be a market for it as some people seemed to love their Crosstours. It's certainly more original than the myriad of generic SUVs one encounters on the daily commute.

[@scubasleeve3497]

@@mfaris4467 Why do you say that? An issue with this model in particular or with Toyota in general?

[@oneviwatara9384]

Better looking than most cars out there.

[@DOBOMEJIRO]

I don’t know if all knows but this Crown actually will be “Crossover” version instead of “Sedan”. Crown series will be in 4 different types as this “Crossover”, the original “Sedan”, actual SUV version “Estate” and coupe style hatchback “Crown Sport” which design is really similar to Ferrari Prosangue frankly. Other 3 types will be for sale around this Autumn in Japan so I’m looking forward for it.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

The Coupe Sport, IMO, is by far the best looking. Hope to see it in in the USA.

[@ShockinglyBleh]

I'm just going to assume that this will not sell well and Toyota will not bring the other models to America since it was a "failure", even though the Crossover is literally the worst one out of all of them.

[@legion1791]

It is actually sweet!! It feels like the GT line of BMW except it won't break up! It also looks quite decent!

[@arminpetschelt8127]

Or the Honda Accord Crosstour

[@mikedelape6609]

bmw doesn’t break, i do nothing but buy a brand new BMW every 3 years and i never had 1 issue with any of them

[@apallo.11]

idk why its a surprise that a toyota sedan is boring, simple, and not dynamic. thats exactly what its built for and it does an amazing job and 100% has its place in the market and even though its boring me and my friends still get a little excited seeing one bc its just a good car most non-driving enthusiasts would be MORE than happy to own including myself as a driving enthusiast

[@robbiepeach]

I saw one of these in person for the first time this past Friday. At first glance it is very bold and striking, and does look far better in person than pics online. Also, dark colors like black make it look better. I find that it reminds me a lot of the Ford Mustang Mach-E in it's overall shape/design.

[@iTeachMyToast]

I saw one in pearlescent white, it looked kinda cool

[@oneviwatara9384]

The only thing I don’t like is the side molding otherwise it looks really good to me.

[@JOEROBIV09]

I saw one in person in grey with the grey 21 inch wheels and it looks amazing

[@commonmeasure]

agreed on mach-e good point

[@stevethepocket]

The Ford Five Hundred was also a sedan that made a point of being taller than average. I remember the commercials where they showed someone drawing a line above it like when you're measuring your kids, showing it was taller than the competition, ending with the slogan "Elevating the sedan."

[@ohioplayer-bl9em]

I never see those on the road anymore. My son bought one and it was trash... worst car ever

[@chynacash3138]

​@@ohioplayer-bl9em I bought a 2007 Ford Five Hundred used a few years ago and mine was fine. Boring car but got up to I think 160-170k miles before I traded it in when I was finally able to buy a new car. But yeah I never see them anymore where I live either.

[@charlesdawkins4341]

I'd had 2 ford five hundred, first one fwd, second one awd w ctr. Sold the awd n got a 2017 Ford taurus sho..

[@DanTheMailman330]

Didn't they just rename it Taurus after a couple years?

[@chynacash3138]

@@DanTheMailman330 Yeah after 2008 I think.

[@JustinSpiguzza-sv8ur]

I actually think it's a great decision. Avalon and Camry have been almost identical for years, with the Avalon being a little longer. That's a lot of building for something just a little bigger. Kind of like Altima and maxima. Been very similar for years and the maxima is about the same length so even weirder to make. But the Crown is similar to bmw X6. Kind of in-between sedan and crossover.

[@Jim__05]

It's NOT an SUV. It's what a good sedan should look like.

[@octoslut]

incorrect its literally a crossover in a sedan clothing...

[@FC3_RIPPER]

Seen one in person the other day in white, and can tell you that it certainly stands out amongst other cars on the road. Broke my neck and a couple of other drivers i noticed staring as well.

[@jaxonlewis2electricboogaloo]

I love that Toyota is starting to focus on the styling of their cars

[@mattmekhaeil]

@@montyui it’s far from going down 💀

[@jwalster9412]

Maybe they finally hired someone who likes cars as the head of design?

[@0HOON0]

Dude, the Avalon looked great compared to this thing.

[@naveenthemachine]

The current gen Camry XSE looks so much better than the clown sedan. And it has more features for less. And the performance from the v6 matches the performance of the fastest crown

[@holmieg3435]

why is styling regarded as so important for a daily car? usability, practicality, and efficiency should be the priorities

[@arminpetschelt8127]

I think a better comparison would be with the BMW GT or the Honda Accord Crosstour both of which seemed to have done relatively well in sales numbers

[@blakehenderson8828]

Was confused by why the comparison wasn’t made when they look so similar. This thing is $5-10k too high for me when the new Prius is an option but realize the Prius might not work for some but this thing at it’s price is an odd combination for even faux luxury

[@NathanKenyon]

The crosstour has SUV clearances though. I imagine same with the GT. We’ve got a crosstour and were surprised when we realized it has the same clearance as a Jeep Cherokee. Also, the fact that it’s a hatchback is a big convenience.

[@penguru21]

​@@blakehenderson8828 the Prius is so narrow. Anyone with a fat ass would hate the Prius.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@NathanKenyon Toyota Crown GT maybe better than the old 2023 Toyota Crown.

[@boostedmaniac]

The cross tour did well? It was discontinued in 2015.

[@VTRenegade]

Toyota missed the mark on the name of the platinum version of this vehicle. It made perfect sense to name that particular version the “Crown Royal”. 😂

[@DrKoneko]

As weird as it is, I like it. It feels to me like a large sedan, and I kinda like it.

[@maximeparent3004]

This is the kind of car i would like to buy. I really like Toyota and their reliability is proven here even with our harsh climate. But i don't like SUV's. I've been in the Crown lately, and it confirmed that it would be a perfect daily for me. By the way, i follow closely this channel since 2014 and still very satisfied with the content to this day.

[@ytj22]

On paper and in the boardroom, this model makes a lot of sense. Will be interesting to see how well it sells in the first couple of years.

[@LarlaBrown]

Hi! 32 year old Crown owner here. First off, the car he’s showing is the most boring colors available. I have a 2023 limited, in a beautiful exterior red with light macadamia interior. I got it because I drive a LOT for work, so I wanted great fuel efficiency, roomy cabin and luxury feel comfort without the high luxury brand/ EV maintenance costs or plug in limitations. I have gotten so many compliments since buying it and people asking me about this model. This is my favorite car I’ve had, including bmw 530E and rav4. His opinions are irritating and unnecessary. I was mostly looking at high end crossovers but none of them had this gas mileage. I was considering a Lexus but this gave me the same cabin and everything I needed for better price. My passengers have called it very roomy and comfortable. I love it and highly recommend this car. Also, who cares what the Home Screen looks like if you use Apple car play? Tell me you’re a green bubble guy without telling me… This Dude is such a hater lol calling it weird, strange, dull and typical while also complimenting so many of the features. Why all the shade? Ps I’m tall and in shape. So no, not only for people who are old, overweight with arthritis. I just value comfort. Smh

[@carlosarchibold5822]

Previous models are still better. I have a 2009 crown athlete with is the sport version. Better engine options. 2.5 v6 or 4.5 v8

[@kevinheidkamp1565]

I like this thing - the styling is underrated... It is simple, but the surfacing itself, the subtle curve of every inch of it - is smooth and organic and really far better than almost anything out there for under $100k - almost like an older Jaguar. It's unique, it's weird, it's very Japanese. It seems like a cool, comfortable cruiser for the stealth wealth crowd (Lexus money for a Toyota badge) - it's almost like a sedan Land Cruiser.... Clearly not in terms of intent or capability, but in vibe and who might actually buy one.

[@Electraflare198]

i thought of the jaguar too.

[@humushumus2219]

No and no. This is generic looking. Every design element is done and done by others several years ago. The end result is ok, nothing more, same for the interior; ok...Next. Probably a excellent car for someone who wants something reliable and comfortable without breaking the bank. But saying it's a unique design piece is a poor understanding of design.

[@stolenchaser]

I wish the sedan version was here, my dad would buy one then lol

[@allthattogetby2167]

My grandfather would have been all over this vehicle. He owned an Avalon for the soft ride, interior space and reliability. The crown levels up all of these features. And you can’t overlook the elevated seat, very convenient.

[@Jeff-wz5sr]

Wrong, the Crown is not a level up over the Avalon. No tilt and telescope, no HUD, Avalon was a better car.

[@bmwmsport11]

I think the high riding sedan concept will work with the crown. The issue the Volvo, Subaru counterparts had was you had to pay a premium to get it. It didn’t make sense to pay that much more when for almost the same money you could get the wagon body. With this, you don’t have to make that decision. If you want a full size Toyota, you get a full size Toyota. The only thing that may hold back crown sales is dealers tacking on ADM due to its nameplate.

[@fredyfleck8492]

😅 Toyota’s very late response to Honda’s 2015 Crosstour!!!

[@jeffdean4386]

I saw one of these the other day and it looks pretty good in person. Certainly different but in a good way.

[@Reparo96]

I know you said you may feel differently about the Crown’s sportiness if you drive the highest trim level, but I’m glad you got a Limited for this review since most people are only going to buy the XLE or Limited trims anyway. I actually like this car based on this review and I’d likely be getting an XLE or Limited.

[@canto_v12]

I want a Limited for the 360 parking cam. Don’t care for the huge 21” wheels but will probably need to live with them.

[@ricercr44]

Most people watching a Doug review probably won’t be buying this car if we’re being honest. I’m just here for the quirks and features 🤓

[@alemarba]

​@@canto_v12 You can get the limited with 19 inch wheels instead of 21, just need to say no to an extra package.

[@canto_v12]

@@alemarba I read somewhere that the 360 cam comes with the 21” wheels. If it’s not so, even better. Don’t want fragile thin tires.

[@alemarba]

@@canto_v12 I am in the same page than you. The Platinum lost me in the 21 inch only option.

[@drivinginthedcbaarea]

I've already seen one before this review, so I have a feeling it will actually be relatively successful. I certainly like the styling better than the outgoing Avalon.

[@Lion-dr7uv]

I do too, and people are getting bored with crossovers, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a break out success like an Explorer

[@erindillard7783]

RE, at the 10:02 mark-If you connect and turn on Android Play (and Apple I believe), you can split the screen and show the navigation and music at the same time. And interchange seamlessly which side each displays on.

[@MattL22]

I have the Heavy Metal Limited. Solid dark colors are the best looking. 42-45MPG. Large sedan with that kind of gas mileage is insane. I came from an Impala LTZ. Getting double the gas mileage. Go see it in person. It's badass. I love it.

[@Cheesesteakwithfriedonions]

I loved the seating position of the 2015 Venza. Great for us old heads. Looks like Toyota implemented this into the Crown .

[@tatethatcher4440]

The crown is so interesting because of the amount of Toyota models through history that have sported it’s name. Even still, camry and Corolla’s names are both derived from the name crown. Throttle House’s video on the crown does a great job explaining it’s history

[@beanapprentice1687]

yea throttle house did a pretty humorous explanation of its history

[@gordonoboh833]

@@beanapprentice1687 what about to talk about this when I saw your comment.

[@lucky889s9]

There used to be Corona, before becoming Camry

[@automation7295]

@@lucky889s9 Which is also latin for crown. Just like Camry and Corolla. I remember that back in 2020 stupid people making fun of the Toyota Corona name saying that Toyota "foreshadowed coronavirus" BS

[@bruns-o-tron]

@@automation7295 Technically, all the names do mean "crown," but "Camry" comes from the Japanese for "crown": kanmuri.

[@DionMckissack]

Wierd? Is someone paying you to say this? Ive seen and driven the car its super sick. Nothing like it on the road. Very unique. Never liked the Avalon no one cated about that car. Crown is amazing drive ans and amazing look. Dont listen to this guy he has no idea what hes talking about. Because it doesn't "fit" into his idea of what something is. Its an awesome.

[@xianshep]

I drove past one in that same color the other day going in the opposite direction and was astonished at how cool it looked (granted, my glimpse of it lasted less than two seconds).

[@purwantiallan5089]

Agree, xianshep.

[@aritruths1452]

FYI, the Platinum is the only model that does not come with a CVT. On the previous Avalon you could get the map in the middle to add. Also the gauge cluster is customizable. You can change the tech to digital or show the RMP gauges. Doug need to do more research on this car really.

[@PetesCreativeRecycling]

"RMP gauges"? What the hecc are those? You mean RPM, like Tachometer? If so, why a plural version?

[@spearmintlatios9047]

@@PetesCreativeRecycling critiquing people’s grammar is very mean spirited. It’s pretty obvious what the original person meant. Your comment just comes across as incredibly snarky.

[@psychiatry-is-eugenics]

6 speed automatic . Good point , that should be a big story , that Toyota is making a 6 speed automatic hybrid

[@texan903]

@Spearmint / Latios Pete's own punctuation is incorrect by placing the second set of quotation marks inside the question mark. Also, capitalizing the word tachometer wasn't necessary. I totally agree with you, but generally, I believe we should be correct if we feel we must correct others. What he did was unnecessary.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@psychiatry-is-eugenics 6 Speed AT Hybrid Transversal Gearbox?

[@Coach_YUES]

Is this just me or did that LS430 on cars & bids have 628,000 miles?? Wow that's amazing

[@realmrdoge]

Actually 628,100 miles. 100 more!

[@SabrinaConstance]

I had never heard of this car until I saw one on my way home tonight. I am not normally a Toyota person, but this is a good looking vehicle.

[@Staticclism]

Finally! I've been waiting for this Doug review forever. Lifted sedan is best sedan AND best SUV. Has been since the AMC Eagle back in the day. Love it.

[@alimzazaz]

This is one of those cars that the shareholder meeting goes like… “We either win big or fall flat for this one folks”

[@joeln5651]

This car takes me back to when car manufacturers didn't know what people wanted out of a crossover and tried to make trucks that look like cars instead of cars that look like trucks. It makes me think of the accord crosstour.

[@JobiWan144]

Accord Crosstour came to my mind as well, but this model seems better executed

[@LordoftheEagles]

Always, and still, liked the crosstour. Still see a ton out there. Seemed super cool, and utterly miserable sales wise

[@wolfshanze5980]

Pontiac Aztek vibes anyone?

[@pacificwave68]

The former Toyota Crown in Japan was much more luxurious than this one. Where is the wood, aluminum and chrome? So boring… Toyota shouldn’t call it a Crown

[@radwaahmed3208]

In my opinion it lost a lot of the elegance of the earlier 90s models used to have by trying to make it so modern and updated. As someone whose family owns a crown majesta and as someone who sees them very often on the roads here in Bangladesh this new model would be very easy to miss because it doesn't make you say "Wow that's a Crown!" anymore. No offense to anyone who loves this new design but just giving my opinion.

[@jessegriffin9]

11th, 12th, 13th gen Crown models are the most elegant and humble looking Crowns Toyota has ever made. It used to be very popular in Asian market. And now , I can't even see it as a Crown. It's a weird looking, with a wide mouth face hatchback.

[@05Forenza]

I've not seen any other Crown's in person, but the Crown Athlete sold elsewhere was a fantastic looking car.

[@noesrp6595]

I actually like the way it looks. If it’s not a hot seller, that will be good for me when I turn in my current vehicle next September!

[@WW-pg4zo]

It looks amazing

[@angeld7159]

My 84 yr old mom lives with me and she’s starting to have an awkward time getting in and out of our Toyota 4 runner. So thank you for this video because I might consider getting this Crown so that she’ll be more comfortable. I’m a big fan of Toyota but only if it’s Made in Japan.

[@renebarrera5286]

That's what I was thinking its a great car if you have older folks that need to be moved around. Plus a trunk is easier to secure than a glass hatch.

[@2004cyrus]

I’m in the exact same situation. She is 85 and moved in recently and I’m the sole chauffeur and this would be great.

[@victorkrottner3818]

Bought the car of my dreams. A 2023 RAV4 Hybrid. THE ROOF IS 2 INCHES TOO LOW!! I see the engineers have the same attack of insanity in this car too. I'm going to trade my new 2023 RAV4 for something I can be comfortable in. What a loss!

[@Henchman1977]

I think that small front sunroof has to do with the rake of the windshield as that bar is above the B pillars, where it should be.

[@zcat1006]

You got it!

[@BlazeORenegado]

It's bizarre, but also really interesting. Still, kinda odd for a resurrection of the classic Toyota Crown. But I'm into weird cars like this, so I liked it (Looks like we have an upcoming review of the Lexus IS300 Sportcross Wagon)

[@jonlosito2004]

Or the Mazda Protege wagon

[@Zarrex]

Doug managed to get a clean sportcross before a late model ISF 😫 also holy moly, what a throwback on the radio at 10:52

[@Corkoth55]

what a great song lol. reminds me of my school days.

[@flipper_the_rabbit]

So basically the way it was worded to me by the other techs while I worked at Lexus was B was for active braking. You will notice it more around the city but it basically activates the regenerative braking without actually applying the brakes. The regenerative braking is the electric motor being swapped in polarity to be a generator and not a motor. This converts mechanical energy into electric energy and uses the momentum of the car to spin a generator. The car naturally does this while braking but with the B mode in use it becomes active without using the brake pedal slowing you faster and using the momentum of the car to stop it instead of the brake pads. This is particularly handy for downhill driving.

[@ozzie3963]

Toyota’s new designers hit it out of the park! Beautiful 😍

[@Adam1nToronto]

Looks like a decent option for people who miss the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis.

[@stevenqirkle]

Toyota actually groups this under the “SUV” section on their Japanese website and not the “Sedan” section. There are a ton of small crossovers that sell well in Japan (Raize, Yaris Cross, Corolla Cross, C-HR - all just from Toyota), so this doesn’t look out of place in their “SUV” lineup. SUV styling is super popular - there is a version of the Honda Fit (the “crosstar”) which is basically identical to a Fit in every but is styled to look like a crossover, which sells reasonably well. So it makes sense to me add a bit of SUV styling to a full-size sedan.

[@altairferoli]

That pretty much sums it, I mean, the Corolla Cross has less than an inch of more ground clearance than the normal Corolla, it's all about seating position and styling for crossovers(which are what most self-claimed SUVs really are)

[@gills.j.gilliganiii6951]

Nice video. We are a 2 car senior family. I have a Ram hemi pickup to tow our Travel Trailer. My wife did not want another Truck, no SUV'S. We've had a couple of mini vans and the driver seat height were perfect for us! Hence the Crown purchase. It's a very nice riding Car, a Toyota and I drove 538 miles and filled it up with 11.5 gallons. We are happy with the Limited. Enjoy, Gill

[@Avishek85]

I actually saw one of these parked at a plaza near my house a few days back. It took me a good few minutes for me to figure out how to react to the design…a few minutes later I was still confused and I hopped into my little Corolla and took of confused!

[@KLiNoTweet]

It would be magic if you could open the other side of that lid and could find other stuff inside 😂

[@michaelkim3432]

My favorite Toyota Crown were the Hong Kong taxicabs in the early 2010's. Light, durable, comfy-enough, and with a manual gearbox was pretty peppy around town! Too bad they don't make them like that anymore!

[@quackcement]

i loved the styling of them they looked retro

[@canto_v12]

The Crown Comfort had the awful crash safety of the early 1990s tin box that it was. I’m glad that they are finally being replaced by the purpose-built Comfort Hybrid which is basically an exported Toyota JPN Taxi.

[@quackcement]

@@canto_v12 nope, they could have improved the retro looking crown like what merc did with the g wagon, a suv mixed with a sedan is too far in the uncanny valley for my liking.

[@Cooperyan95]

Oohhh yeah, you know about really Toyota Crown's, hello from Russian east Asia, we imported a lot of car forn japan too

[@canto_v12]

@@quackcement I mean yeah the new taxi looks awkward but safety first. Those old taxis were death traps.

[@alondraleary5852]

I’m 45 and nearly half a century…so I guess that qualifies me as OLD! 😂. I just traded in my 2 inch lifted 2019 Jeep Moab wrangler for this Crown in a gorgeous Pearl color. Best decision ever! I’m getting older and my knees were tired of taking a beating hopping in and out of my lifted Jeep. I consider myself a Queen and the name of this ride is so fitting (CROWN). 😂😂😂The ride is smooth, unlike the JEEP and I’m in love with the mileage. Full tank of gas 590-630 miles. My new every day driver! ❤❤❤

[@theodorestern8258]

I feel like most full size sedans feel roomier than the crossovers you listed - not sure why that is. But I could understand buying this if you want to put golf bags in the trunk and have a big back seat

[@TBustah]

I’ve been driving my father’s third gen Avalon a lot lately. It’s a great car, and I’m sad to see the model go, but it’s kind of amazing that it’s lasted as long as it has. To be sure, it made a lot of sense when it was introduced for the 1995 model year. The Camry was much smaller than it is now, and the interior wasn’t as nice. Over on the Lexus lots, the ES was smaller than the Avalon, and the GS cost about twice as much as an Avalon. There was definitely room for a Buick to Lexus’s Cadillac. Over the last thirty years, though, the Camry and Avalon got a lot bigger and the gap between the highest-priced Avalon and the base price GS shrank significantly. RWD tech also improved, meaning that the Avalon lost that advantage over the GS as well. These days, unless you’re Doug-sized (like I am, that’s part of the reason I like it and why I own a New Beetle) there’s not much of a reason to get one over the mechanically identical Camry, which costs less and has most of the same options. For not much more, you can also get a Lexus ES (which moved to the same longer version of the platform used by the Avalon with the XV60, by the way) or GS. It’s not just a problem on this side of the Pacific, either. In Japan, the old RWD Crowns have been somewhat superfluous ever since Lexus was introduced to the home market in 2005. The Aristo (Lexus GS) and Celsior (Lexus LS) had been causing overlap even before the rebrand. Sure, the Crown could be ordered with fewer bells and whistles if you needed a cheaper RWD sedan, but the demand apparently wasn’t there. They seemed to mostly hang on to it for the sake of tradition, taxi drivers and some older people just really wanted a Crown. The last nail in the coffin for it is that Japan’s been bitten by the crossover bug lately. They’re not even going to be selling the Camry there anymore. Let me repeat that: no more Camrys in Japan. That’s a pretty big deal. Sadly, it just makes too much sense to not axe two models that haven’t been selling as well as they used to and consolidate them into one that can meet the demands of both markets today. It cuts down on development and production costs, and using the same name for all markets makes advertising cheaper and easier. I would’ve preferred that our version carried on the Avalon name, but I can’t fault them for using the one with more global recognition. The Avalon nameplate was only used in North America and (very briefly) Australia, the latter almost getting a coupe utility version of the car (they built one prototype with the Lexus RX’s AWD system, it’s actually pretty cool).

[@lawrencebautista1]

I agree with the tradition part. They're not giving up on the sedan just yet because of the nostalgia although the Crown taxis in Japan are slowly being replaced by Hybrid models especially the JPN taxi. There is even one taxi company in Tokyo that purchased a fleet of Hyundai Ioniq 5s. There were previous rumours that Toyota was going to axe the Crown sedan and make it exclusively as a crossover. But I was surprised they released 4 different body styles; they haven't given up on the sedan yet. The outgoing sedan was only released in 2018 but I was surprised they went for a full model change this 2023. The new sedan is still based on TNGA-L but is now derived from the new Mirai and will be available in Hybrid and Fuel Cell. I find is strange though I was expecting all 4 body styles to be based in one platform TNGA-K but the sedan remains RWD in TNGA-L.

[@stevengolden9009]

I also thought the Toyota Avalon was a wonderful car as well, fairly quick, very comfortable, great quality, and thousands less then a similarly equipped Lexus.

[@MrDuncl]

Toyota seem to be consolidating on names and designs. In the U.K. we got the Auris instead of the Corolla but for the current generation they went back to the Corolla name. p.s. They even sold a limited edition Corolla "Trek" here with a whole extra inch of ground clearance.

[@martinmarquez220]

i have a honda accord sport im a honda guy but i must say toyota did there big one with the crown im honestly in love it looks so new…gives tesla vibes i love it😍 its been catching my eye for a while now i dont like toyotas style but the crown is beautiful id switch from my honda to the crown 👑 👀

[@Cheffy8356]

The Platinum model has a 6spd auto and not a CVT. Great video as always!

[@pryme2013]

That would be reason alone to pick it

[@bwofficial1776]

6 speed? In 2023? Come on Toyota, 8-10 speeds are the standard now. Although, they still have the last 5 speed auto in the 4Runner so maybe they're bucking the trend.

[@jonlosito2004]

​@@bwofficial1776yea but this one is a hybrid, and 6 speed auto makes sense in a hybrid now. The current gen Kia Sorento has a 6 speed auto with a hybrid.

[@LG123ABC]

American Motors did a "SUVified" sedan way back in 1980 with the American Eagle. It had an automatic 4-wheel drive system and came as a coupe, sedan or wagon and sat just a little bit higher than the average vehicle did at that time.

[@indigomizumi]

And Subaru used to do an Outback sedan as well. And Volvo also did a "Cross Country" variant of one of their sedans too.

[@bwofficial1776]

The Eagle also came as a hatchback and convertible. It had every body style except pickup.

[@YoungManDub]

It's good to get a peak at what Uber is going to be picking me up in for the next decade

[@Jin88866]

I see this car everywhere in Japan, it's clearly not made for the US market where people prefer SUVs. In Japan full sized vans are the equivalent of SUVs, so this car makes a lot of sense.

[@michaelhatfield5808]

I understand why Toyota did this. The Avalon hasn’t sold well for years and everyone is switching to crossovers so we get this. Makes sense.

[@danielhowardDaniel123gamer]

I like Doug, but it can be tiring when the only way a car can be a good buy is when it's fast/dynamic or has tons of wierd unique features. I know his focus is quirky enthusiast cars, but I would enjoy more "practical" car reviews sometimes aswell. Edit: not saying the crown is a great buy, just wish he mentioned more factors that most buyers are interested in knowing.

[@TheOlav0509]

Totally agree, pretty much 20 minutes of complaining about a pretty nice car

[@jamesfeezer2586]

Yea Doug's videos are the best but I think he said a lot here as well. I almost get excited when I see this car and like he said it's just not all that interesting otherwise. It seems like it could almost be an off road car but to me him mentioning the Ride height, ground clearance and comparing it to other models is likely the biggest difference between this car and a cross over for the average consumer. I honestly just think he struggled here, not understanding the target market makes it kind of hard to know what people would want to know about. I liked the eco gauge that was interesting and you won't rind that I'm your amg 63 😅

[@timcoursey7592]

He is certainly bothered by his inability to assign a label to this car. SUV, sedan, crossover, SUVified sedan? What difference does it make what you call it? This is the most annoying review I have watched this year. Geeez!

[@schumaje]

If he doesn’t like it in the first place or if he’s confused by it, of course it’s not going to get a good “Doug Score”.

[@frederickevans4113]

Doug, the very thing you said about sales declining in the sedan segment and all the competition being killed off (Taurus, Maxima, Impala, Etc.) is the very thing that might help the Crown's sales numbers - little-to-no competition.

[@mattmershon3542]

I’m 66 and recently discovered that I’m not getting any younger. I like the raised height and the quasi SUV look. Works for me. Reminds me a bit of the Honda Crosstour which I really liked.

[@ZevMeth_originaljewishmusic]

I can't believe Doug didn't even mention the Toyota Corolla Cross, as those seem to be ubiquitous, so maybe this will do nicely in sales??

[@jonlosito2004]

I think this was filmed before the released Corolla Cross Hybrid

[@MikeDiscusses]

Would have made more sense if the whole trunk opened up as a hatchback. Kinda like the accord. Styled like a sedan but with the practicality of an suv or a hatchback

[@josephmutholam8147]

So far based on the reviews I love the Ltd trim of the Crown, what appeals to me is the seat height (easy in and out) and the overall build but for a $50K car that is supposed to be Toyota's flagship I wish they had a tendered to 3 simple items. 1. lack of HUD, 2. lack of a blind spot camera which is available even on a CRV, 3. The trunk lid should be on struts rather than a bar that you have to manually put in place to keep it open. I hope Toyota Engineers will look into these simple fixes for the next model year. It is the middle of 2023 and unfortunately I have yet to see a single Crown on the road.

[@johnnymeans356]

Trunk is spring loaded. not sure where you saw a bar.

[@hakeemsd70m]

I saw a gray Crown about two weeks ago here in the Midwest. It looks very good in person.

[@ikeman5650]

This is my dream car. It has a nice interior, manual buttons and knobs in addition to a touch screen, good gas mileage, takes regular gas, and it has a big trunk that provides privacy that a hatchback with a little privacy cover doesn’t give. When my Honda accord eventually dies I would love to get one of these. Plus having AWD is a huge plus for any trips to the mountains.

[@ocda3]

If I had kids to haul around I would be all over this. Similarly, I liked the Accord CrossTour. I have zero interest in owning an SUV or crossover. This seems like a reasonably usable sedan alternative- plenty of space for passengers, plenty of cargo room, decent enough power for a daily runaround, and pretty spectacular fuel economy. The styling is appealing to me too, except for that massive faux grill on the front. But what do I know? I tend to be more drawn to unusual cars that don't end up selling well. I'm sure it won't sell in big numbers, but I'm glad someone is still making options besides cookie cutter SUVs.

[@somebody9785]

Doug is the kind of guy who wears a crown 👑 while driving a Toyota Crown.

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

A Burger king, King mask

[@kayEnt3rtainm3nt]

We stan a king. 👑

[@JohannGambolputty22]

Doug’s the kind of guy to drink Crown Royal with his crown while driving his Crown to Burger King.

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

​@@JohannGambolputty22 As he looks at the Crown on his Rolex

[@brycestarkey4467]

I just saw one of these today and my first thought was "this is worse in person"

[@davidcopeland5450]

I was about to mention the same thing

[@dannydevito9514]

So many Lincoln town car features. The cluster with center display square, the double flipping console, big old trunk, comfort suspension. Pretty great car, if they can get costs down it would be a fantastic livery car. And old folks too. But $$$$$

[@cristianfamigliuolo]

Doug, actually the B shift is something like the pressure build in a hydraulic truck shift. It increases friction and brakes the transmission.

[@y33sean]

It also promotes hybrid battery charging via regenerative braking

[@FloridaSoundsGood]

​@904 GE8 Read the manual, it doesn't regen in B mode.

[@cristianfamigliuolo]

@@FloridaSoundsGood Ha ha ha read the message! I don't have the car, so no manual. 😂😂 But I know engineering better then you and the two and here this car is no on the market, maybe is better for you if you think before to write.. Ciao ciao!!

[@samhasopinions]

We need a super cut of Doug being impressed by center console lids that can open from either side because I swear it’s almost every vehicle he reviews 😂

[@charliefunboy5210]

we had this feature in the 70's too

[@tonywu3209]

I really wish the rear trunk could be designed as sportback, like 5 series GT, can either open the small part from the bottom or open the entire hatch to load in some big cargos

[@markfarley407]

I love seeing Toyota release a new hybrid car in an electric and SUV world.

[@a5thony]

RIP Accord Crosstour, you were so ahead of your time 🙏