The new Army NCO Changes: What to Know

The Sergeant Major of the Army recently put out a memo regarding changes to how soldiers can get promoted to sergeant and above. In this video I'm going over what the memo means.
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[@christopherchaos]

The other situation I've seen where this can be helpful is a female soldier who is pregnant and wont be able to attend that PME school until after the baby is born, maternity leave and after she has been able to recover and get back into shape. This way she is not held back because she wanted to start a family.

[@ATH_Berkshire]

I can see that.

[@mystaplers]

@@Bum-gh2zi You are right - The army gave me two 17 year olds. I made men of both of them.

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Stop! Promotions should be based on performance, time, and recommendations. If you are in sick bay or having a child, you service time should pause until you are serving once again. Notice I didn't say pregnancy or the woman. Both the parents should get typical maternity leave to tend to thier family. But during that time. Thier service records should pause. When I was serving. Multi unit individuals had kids back to back. They got promoted even though they spent half time actually in the unit. There is a big issue with promotions in all the branches. Office pogs reaching e5 in 4 years from matorious promotion, while on leave. I believe the units that use the selection process would pass over a candidate if they didn't have the battle experience.

[@Jblast252]

i like this because it was up to the unit at the end of the day to send you it was not truly in the hands of the soldier under the old system but at the same time heavily was on the soldier so in reality high oct temp units or units lacking personnel would send them less often making it so where SB from other units keep there ranks while high speed low drag guys was getting the rod in the backside but saying it your fault for not going

[@haywoodjablome7822]

Yep, lost my E5 because of not getting a BLC slot...on Ft Hood, literally 100 feet away from BLC. Then got counseled because they couldn't get the slot. It was treated as a disciplinary issue, despite it being entirely their fault.

[@christopherchaos]

Dam! Hopefully this new policy will help prevent that from happening to anyone in the future now.

[@lelandgaunt9985]

Sounds army.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Sounds like your leadership failed you. Once you made E5, you should have been moved up on the order of merit before any E4.

[@user-yz8pe4rc6g]

yup, its never the brass' fault they cant unfuck themselves

[@123ElectricMonkey]

Haha. Sounds totally army. Like requiring you to be in person to a hearing but counseling you for not being at your duty station…well let’s see. I have orders…

[@mexicool187]

I couldn't get a BLC slot (6 months) so I went and got me a slot at OCS.

[@Observer-cp4if]

Hahaha! Yeah. I have heard that one before, while attending OCS. Hilarious! Good luck! I can tell you the trick: Don't quit. Whatever happens, don't quit. They are going to try to break you down phyically and mentally and embarass you. Don't quit.

[@fredsieber2676]

I hope you do well at OCS. My oldest daughter graduates next month. She is 31 and burned out on civilian law-enforcement. I’m a retired Marine as she has asked me to give her her first salute. I really like how the army makes its OCS candidates attend enlisted Boot Camp first. Gives them more of the basics and they get to know some of the people they may have to lead.

[@mexicool187]

​@@Observer-cp4if I will never accept defeat. I will never quit. I will never leave a fallen comrade. I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. They can try but I will never quit... thank you I'm preparing and getting myself as ready as possible..

[@mexicool187]

​@@fredsieber2676I enlisted before so I can see that side of the army. I will go above and beyond for them. It's the people before me that inspired me to join its also those same people that inspired me to lead. She is going to be an excellent officer. And thank you for your service.

[@chuckmalone7890]

@@mexicool187forgot the most important one.. always place the mission first!!!

[@ATH_Berkshire]

Sounds like the real problem is that the Army isn’t spending enough money to run sufficient schools.

[@mrsmiley631]

Enough money for DEI though, right?

[@golfery5119]

​@@mrsmiley631 The military always has had to change with the times to include as many people as possible. I guess wingnut white conservatives complained about "DEI" when blacks and native Americans were allowed to serve.

[@brianobra9174]

There aren't any "schools" just test

[@demjindajakerkenning1210]

The military spends way more money than they should need for the quality due to politicians and pogs, if they made a 1sg with 30 years experience and multiple combat deployments in charge of army budget it would not be as corrupt

[@golfery5119]

@@demjindajakerkenning1210 why would a first sergeant rank be in charge of a military branch instead of a general?

[@Warriorwebco]

This is for the betterment of the Army. As a E1-E4 the last couple years I watched the most deserving leaders and NCOs get passed by shit bag leaders who somehow beat them out for a slot at the school. This will allow true leaders to stay motivated and on the right path. Just finished up DLC and hoping to get my 5 asap hooah.

[@jthavorn]

This sounds more complicated than it needs to be. No wonder I knew some E-4s that never wanted to be promoted.

[@rancidpitts8243]

Yes, plenty. Also E-5 who had no interest in E-6. It was a shame, because many were natural born leaders.

[@Xtremeproducts]

I’m 1 of them (e4) and I have my reasons

[@rancidpitts8243]

@@Xtremeproducts I am sure you do. I heard plenty of them in my time, and most made sense at the time. Some were promoted to Corporal against their wished, needs of the Army, and that sealed the deal. They got out, and didn't let the door slam them in the ass as they left. They just didn't want the responsibilities that went with being an NCO. Some were silly, and saw them back after a year or three. You do what you think is best for you. Good luck and best wishes.

[@Xtremeproducts]

@@rancidpitts8243 much appreciated. I believe school is good, but the army is not properly preparing individuals to be at least decent nco.

[@rancidpitts8243]

@@Xtremeproducts That is not the aim of the NCO Schools. Many of the NCO's are of the school of * intimidate their subordinates *. I was of the school of Correct the problem by pointing out the error, and giving the right way to do it. All without rising my voice, waving my arms while jumping up and down in front of the Platoon, like others would do . I also took in consideration criticism and ideas from subordinates down to the lowest Private. It is not the duty to of the Schools to change the personality of the student NCO's. It is the School's job to instruct the NCO what the NCO needs to know to be effective in what they do.

[@MrDogbrain]

I remember PLDC, BNOC & ANOC lol

[@mikesuperglide]

BNCOC, ANCOC

[@MrDogbrain]

@@mikesuperglide you must have been a 92G or some other lame MOS in order to feel compelled to correct someone on KZbin lol

[@LordZoltan117]

@@MrDogbrain or they were just making sure the correct acronym was being used

[@MrDogbrain]

@@LordZoltan117 or they were a 92G or something equally as lame

[@LordZoltan117]

@@MrDogbrain like a 71L

[@Xtremeproducts]

I was a SPC and was shocked when they said I got promoted, I’m in the reserves now in Miami (pass the board while at Fort. Carson & had all the points mostly from having a bachelor degree). I’m definitely the example you gave of “SPC Smith

[@angryferb1079]

I needed this. I started working towards my E-5.

[@mexicool187]

Work towards O-1

[@rse4379]

​@@mexicool187Nah, W01

[@onerider808]

I feel for you younger guys; you deserved to have the badass military we used to have, full of badass American men. Nothing was better than being a sergeant in the US Army. When I see the things they call sergeants now, and the thing they call the army now, I’m glad I’m out.

[@TetFeMal]

Fine without you

[@waynewright2107]

I guess I should consider myself lucky. I was temporarily promoted and I already have a BLC slot for later this year so this will definitely help me later on when I try to make SSG

[@brett76544]

I can remember when I updated my points , and had the most in the MOS going for E-5 and one of my friends was number 2 in the pots 5 behind me back in the 90's. We even made our e-6 at the same time not even 2 years later. With the pts I had going for e5, there were only 4 guys going for e6 with more than me. I waited 4 months for a slot, and we knew the pts always dropped in September then would max out the rest of the year. (the lingering effects of the draw down) So I finished PLDC right at the end of august and the pts dropped a few days later to what I had, the only one to get promoted in the MOS that year, again the draw down sucked for guys that joined in the late 80's and early 90's. Then Oct hit and 10 guys got promoted and Nov and until the next September the pts were maxed. (a few e-5 hit the 12 year time limit in service that year the 1st of what was going to become more common) back then you had to have the school to get promoted. Still going from 1 battalion of 16 (not counting the bridge platoons) platoons of engineers per division to one brigade with 3 battalions totaling 27 platoons in the early 90s got a ton of people promoted, but many new promotions resulted in pts being maxed for the next few years with few people getting promoted after 1992 or the pts stayed maxed from 1992 until 1999 or 2001 for e5 and e6 in the MOS. Really after 2000 you did not need well over 725 of 800 pts to make E-5 or over 750 to make E-6 in the combat engineers. Just before that E-5's and E-6's were being QMPed due to time limits. There were guys 5 years senior to me as e-5s and they watched me make my e-4 and end up outranking them and them leaving the service due to time running out to make e-6. Literally you lost an entire generation of NCO from them not making it and some units might have a promotion board twice a year during that time. I remember running a headquarters company operations and seeing who was5 or 6 or 8 years in rank and how many pts they had. I remember telling the 1sg, we have 25 e-5's and 7 e-6's that either get promoted this year or will have to leave the army due to time and that was 2002. Not one of them got promoted and that was about 10% of the 314 people allocated of the HQ and HHC.

[@jeraldbottcher1588]

I remember back in the day it was PLDC (changed to PLC). the units I was in required that to get E-5. There were plenty of slots. Everyone who wanted to go was sent. E-6 required BNOC and E-7 required ANOC. people sometimes got E-6 before attending BNOC If that happened they were sent soon after. But for E-7. If you did not have ANOC you would not get selected for E-7 (In fact back then you had to be selected for ANOC by your program manager). There did not seem to be an issue where people couldn't get to the courses. If anything there was a shortage of people to fill the slots. But then again I am an old timer I retired in '95

[@rse4379]

When I made the E7 list I just contacted the schoolhouse directly. Wasn't playing games with someone else impacting my career. Pissed my CoC off, but still got my slot.

[@jeraldbottcher1588]

@@rse4379 When I changed my MOS as an E-6 (SSG) I contacted my personnel manager and made sure they got me scheduled for the BNOC class for me new MOS right away, before I had even completed my MOS training, even though I had completed my leadership course for my current MOS (This was back in the day that the leadership courses were technical courses for your MOS instead of actual leadership courses. After I had my new MOS for a couple of years and before I was in the zone to be selected to E-7 (SFC) I contacted them again to get scheduled for ANOC (Advanced NCO Course). I was selected to go as soon as a slot opened up. The only thing that PO'ed my chain of command was they they scheduled me to go during a training rotation. In any case, anyone who cared about their career would seek out the next class instead of just waiting for it to fall in their lap.

[@TheRagratus]

I was a "Cold War" soldier. 1980-1992. What you described is exactly how it was since 1980.

[@johnberry8180]

And if you couldn’t get PLDC or BNOC your CoC had some explaining to do.

[@jeraldbottcher1588]

@@johnberry8180 You better believe it. One of my battalion commanders almost got relieved over that stuff. If I remember if you refused to go you got a bar to reenlistment as well. When I was stationed at Fort Eustis/Story there was a shortage of slots, but the 7th transportation group had a Primary Leadership Academy that would fit the requirement and then you also had to go to the E-5 course for your MOS. They were darned sure to make sure the troops did not have any excuses on going to the leadership schools

[@orangecrane1340]

Thanks Christopher. I'm an Army mom and found your explanation very understandable. I think the promotion policy is working in my son's case. He ranked up to Sergeant as he was packing to leave for his next duty. He is clear that he needs to take the 4 week training once he reports to his new duty site. I will be able to check in and see how he can get into a class and encourage him to document his attempts to get the training.

[@xymos7807]

Army did this like 10 years ago because they were hurting for NCOs. Too many SPC's doing the jobs their supervisors were doing, so they corrected it while we were in that weird transitionary phase with the STEP Program.

[@user-no6wd4rz4z]

Problem is most E-4s don't care E-4 Mafia forever 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@tunedude19]

And new pay raise means they will make 5 money

[@simplymotivated1511]

I had this situation due to a deployment but attended the course later on on return. Hold up sucks yes but still worth going after n staying motivated

[@SmellySumtom]

Back in the 70s, we had specialist (Sp-5-6-7) ranks which paid the raise without or until leadership courses, or just don't want or cannot fill an NCO slot.

[@kevinharvey3308]

they need to bring that back, not everyone needs or can be a NCO and I have seen a few who shouldn't be a NCO

[@toussaintchivars9005]

I remember those days. During the month of March 1979, as an airborne grunt Private First Class (grade E-3) I had the opportunity to watch a Spec 6 (REMF, Coscom) throw a hissy fit over a PFC (E-3) in his section, who basically laughed in his face while ignoring whatever instructions that E-6 was attempting to tell him. My Platoon Sergeant SFC (E-7) told us to watch for a few minutes before sending a Corporal (E-4) over to intervene. The corporal, interrupted the Spec 6, placed the PFC at parade rest and gave his a$$ a new opening while explaining military courtesy to the very repentful PFC (who had gone from parade rest to the front leaning rest position per orders of the corporal). When the Spec 6 recovered from shock, he then asked my Platoon Sergeant why the PFC obeyed the Corporal and not him. My Platoon Sergeant grinned and replied, "You kept screaming at him about your pay grade. The Private isn't dumb. He knows an NCO when he sees one. You're just an E-6, but my Corporal is an NCO. " To this day, I still chuckle about that. A retired NCO.

[@SmellySumtom]

@@toussaintchivars9005 Back in the mid 70s I was in one of the last combat infantry units of the Vietnam era (75-6 Korean DMZ )where it was a mixed bag of soldiers too wild to have back in the states. We had a few spc in the battalion, mostly guys that just didn't want to be in charge or responsible for endangering others. The spc 6 we had in our company was a 35ish year old guy who didn't want to be asked anything, he just wanted to remain an infantry soldier without becoming anyone's leader. He was really a great soldier, but a man of few words of advise. A "mind your own business" kind of guy. He was the only guy with a "President's Hundred" patch and the only of us that carried an M-1A/M14. My platoon sgt was a SFC who had 2 years earlier been field promoted to Cpt. There were not many NCOs at all back in the mid 70s and some squads had as little as a sgt or spc-4 in charge of them. That transition time between War and Peace had many soldiers who would be instantly in trouble and arrested if they were stationed back stateside. We even had one CMH guy there in another company, and he was no one any would ever interact with, even the officers. He did whatever he wanted after PT and morning formation.

[@jibrinebang]

I’ve enjoyed being an NCO but I’m thankful to be commissioning soon

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I served in the Marine Corps and was out for 6 years prior to 9/11. Enlisted with the 19th SFG(A). I had zero issue getting promoted. Learning a new culture took me a while to adapt.

[@GODWITHUS0712]

Never went to wlc at the time got promoted in the reserves to e5 years ago got out and got an honorable discharge. It will always be in record that my rank when discharge is and always will be SGT for life.

[@kjorlaug1]

I have had many soldiers basically fighting over BLC and ALC slots, even though we have a full academy at Campbell, because there would always be some DIV exercise or deployment and the companies would want to hold off sending them

[@M-ih3ly]

Where can we go to find the memo? On Google I am directed to the army website where an article reviews the memo, but I can’t find the memo you put in the video.

[@BFVgnr]

When did it change from PLDC/WLC as SPC/SPC(P)/SGT, with BNCOC after SGT(P)/SSG, and SNCOC after SSG(P)/SFC? Did PLDC/WLC go away? Is BLC a pre-req for promotion to SGT/SSG? Gods I feel old.

[@BFVgnr]

As for some reference, I went through PLDC as a SP4 in 1989 in the LAARNG and got promoted to SGT in 1992. When I went active duty in 2004, as a PFC, my PLDC attendance was still valid, and listed on the ERB as WLC, which was not considered a prereq for promotion to SGT, but was required to go past SGT. I regained my SGT stripes in 2008. Yes, I went from PFC to SGT twice, but it was much faster the second time.

[@SGTBacon99]

A good chain of command will allow SPC Smith to attend BNCOC if the class date is before or shortly after their "deployment" date to Poland and then letting them catch up to the unit after graduating from the course, this was the practice when I was in and I witnessed this many times.

[@hughjanus8600]

E-5 is the new specialist. At least at my duty station

[@cbm2156]

I did not get the memo, but that is understandable since i was separated from the Army in May 1965 after my enlistment term ran out.

[@MarkCuller-tl2vt]

My son is active duty in the army as a Sgt. And this very common.

[@mommafitbit3701]

How far in advance can one can apply for the slot?

[@TGOG57]

I’ve had my BLC slot confirmed in May, to attend in July. When I am ready to go to E-6, will I not need to attend any additional school?

[@christopherchaos]

The unit will try to get to a slot to attend ALC after you complete the E6 board but with this change you will be able to pin E6 after the board if you have the points instead of having to wait till after ALC to pin E6.

[@mystaplers]

I never went to any of the leadership courses. Finally I was selected for the Advance Course. Every CSM in my chain of command was pissed Some wanted me to go to PLC as a SFC with 10 years Time in Grade. When asked why I never went - I replied, I was never allowed to go because I was critical to the misson.

[@JG-yc2fr]

Shit when i was in we had to go to wlc before getting E5 Sgt. Stayed E4 specialist for 12 years in a E6 SSG slot.

[@AlanFenick]

Wonder if the Army will resurrect the Specialist ranks? In the early 60’s was a SP-5 E-5 MOS 911.20 Advanced Medical Specialist and MOS 421.20 Small Arms Repairman P-1 (Pro Pay). I like the dual rank system as I felt I’m not interested in being a true NCO with command authority, I loved patient care.. I believe I saw only one SP-6 E-6 and he was a Clinical Laboratory Specialist. Upon leaving the Army used my training to become an LPN/LVN then a RN! Thanks to the Army’s training it changed my life! Duty Honor Country

[@handsomeman-pm9vy]

If you watch the old World War 2 movies, you will see soldiers whose stripes had a "T" below the stripes. That was the original Specialist ranks. In the 1960s Specialist ranks were returned with unique insignia.

[@AlanFenick]

@@handsomeman-pm9vy Loved my umbrella (rocker) as it kept my eagle dry! (A little Specialist humor from the 60’s.)

[@donaldmartin4980]

There was a time as an E-6 you could walk into ANCOC , I made the mistake of not doing it , it closed two months later and you had to be promotable to get a slot , to become promotable you had to have attended ANCOC … cost me five years waiting for promotion .

[@ronaldbobeck9636]

Off topic ,I had to assist my step daughter with her disability case with the Department of Veterans Affairs. I would never advise anyone to enlist . Now you must obey the law and register for the Selective Service Act, Unless the Congress reinstates Induction to the military. Steer clear of the US.Military.

[@lawrencetierney3697]

We have the same issue in the Canadian Armed Forces. For a Cpl can be promoted to Master Cpl (E-5) they must have the Junior Leadership Course (JLC), the member can be promoted as Acting Lacking and as soon as a slot is open up on the JLC they will be given priority status. The Same goes for Promotions to Sgt (E-6), Warrant Officer (E-7) and Master Warrant Officers (E-8). However for those promotions not only do the members require the Senior Leaders Courses, they are also required to attend advanced Trades Courses. For Promotions to Sgt and Warrant Officers this means attending Trade Qualification Level (QL) courses QL6A and QL6B to be qualified for promotion to those ranks. Again the members can be promoted as acting Lacking and then are given priority status on the course lists. Due to our schools being understaffed and over worked it may be a while for the member to get those qualifications, however those members who are promoted Acting Lacking or are on the Promotion List are not being punished and their promotions are not held up. Lawrence Tierney Warrant Officer (Ret) 38 Years Service

[@FMD023]

Since when did it change from WLC to BLC? Regardless that course is cakewalk so I’m amazed that’s not a units priority to send their e4 (p) and up to that school. It’s practically a refresher in basic infantry squad movements, basic land nav and a PT test. WLC was a joke, during my land nav I was walking 500 meters the wrong way until I realized when another soldier asked me for help on his first point then I shot a back azimuth and still managed to find all 4 points and was the 3rd one to finish. Was worried I would finish as one of the last ones. As long as you know how to land navigate and pass your PT test, you cannot fail.

[@davidwashburn6329]

Why don't the army have extension course or unit level training to cover the lack of slots or deployment.

[@TheRagratus]

Because leadership requires being able to lead PEOPLE not paper.

[@mommafitbit3701]

E6+ don't have to attend academies or points? What do they attend /do instead ?

[@christopherchaos]

To make E7 and above they have to be selected for promotion when they become eligible. They drcide who can get promoted based on what they have done. They still will be sent to a school.

[@samadhistrength]

This is out there. Explicitly state that BLC is no longer required, by regulation, to pin E5, but then try to convince everyone that this isn't the case? The reg speaks for itself, doesn't matter how you interpret it. E4s with points and a board under their belts will promote and won't need BLC until looking at E6. That's stated clearly. "Relevant" is not the same as "Required" or "Mandatory".

[@emiliotorres4959]

Can you do a video about all the TIS and TIG for each rank ?

[@christopherchaos]

I do mention it in my rank video but a dedicated video about how long it takes to rank up might be a good idea. Thanks.

[@mikem2132]

@@christopherchaosI think it’s a great idea, you could also include the RCP info.

[@silentbob242789]

I would this helps maybe some of the soft mos’s when it come to the fact now for SFC you don’t need SLC I THINK THIS IS A PLUS

[@xeroink]

So what happens to CPLs in the army

[@christopherchaos]

You will still have CPLs. They would be the soldiers that have done the promotion board and completed BLC but don't have enough points to make E5 yet.

[@CB-vt3mx]

back in the "old days"...LOL...we were having no problem getting slots for troops at NCOES (for Infantry--combat support MOSs were a different issue as most of them had to go back to the AIT post for BNCOC and ANCOC). In 2011, we had the Signal NCOES send an MTT out to get our Signaleers through BLC...it mostly worked, but we noticed that we still had a residual cadre who just would not attend--I'll let you guess what their hesitation was (cough fat cough). When I was a young trooper in the 80s, pinning on NCO rank prior to NCOES was a no go. But...we seemed to have no problem getting slots for PNCOC and BNCOC (ALC and BLC for you youngsters).

[@terrysaunders2026]

Hey hey Acting Jack, No more trips On the rail road track!

[@approachingtarget.4503]

With such low standards already. Why would this matter.

[@tedmarynelson7062]

I came from the black boot generation when you had to have attended PLDC for Sgt, BNCOC for SSG, and ANCOC for SFC then SGMA for SGM

[@adamperez140]

How would this work for E6 to E7 ? Would it be the Same ?

[@justoshane6333]

Yes

[@oscah_whisky]

I had a BLC slot, life happened, couldn't go, and I haven't cared to go since. Maybe I'll go, maybe I'll become a career Specialist. Who knows?😂🤣

[@doomaster4]

There’s a new email on automatic promotion without going to the schools.

[@taun856]

I still think the Army needs to bring back the Specialist 5 -7 ranks at least. Not everyone is cut out to be an NCO even with schooling - but are still excellent technicians or skill specialists..

[@Fat_Thor_1138]

Wish this was the case 2 years ago when I med retired as a SSG. Army wouldn’t send me to SLC due to my med board. Would have been nice to get SFC before retiring especially with well over a decade of service between the Marine Corps and the Army, oh well 😂 🤷‍♂️

[@jessejames7757]

Heard there is a new rainbow sergeant patch and generals will drop the star and be three rainbow general etc...

[@INDYANDY4C]

PLDC, BNCOC, ANCOC, 1SG & SMA. Stuck E4 long time, then INARNG goes to big Army and says, we’re constipated on NCOs. Can’t get slots at FT. Harrison or Knox! How about we meet in the middle at Camp Atterbury? IMA pilot program. Open to all. ARNG, USAR, AFRES, etc. Works! My wife was Frocked 1SG in her S2 slot before getting her RN Degree and being Commissioned 2LT Nurse, starting all over. She went to El Passo for 1SG course. Then San Antonio for her OBC, Medical class, Y2K. Now pretty much all States run NCO Academies at their State or local training facilities open to all, staffed by AD & Reserve or Guard for all Branches. It worked out well. Navy can go to the Armory on the White River or CP. Atterbury, or NSWC Crane.

[@denellgraves2397]

I already took my shot with BLC at Fort Indiantown Gap didn't pass for academic reasons overall after hearing your take on this new setup for BLC it really doesn't bother me because I only got three more years left and I'm in the National Guard and I really don't want to be a sergeant or be in the National Guard anymore I got a really good truck driving job that pays me very well and has a lot of better opportunities so my mind is really been shifting towards transitioning making sure that that's in order

[@simplymotivated1511]

Sound a lil butt hurt non the less FIG BLC is slight challenge but I wouldn't settle cause of that

[@RobSch-en5uc]

Isn't it PLDC ?

[@thundershadow]

How long has that claptrap been going on?

[@jasonramero6274]

I like the new system.

[@NJDVLS9500]

PLDC, BNCOC, ANCOC, honor grad, 1059 recipient, yay!

[@joshuathomas8529]

Looks like they just went back to the policy that was implace for most of if not all of my active-duty time 2005-2013

[@brentonyoung251]

I promote soon and pcs soon so hopefully my unit doesn’t try to slot me while pcsing. Rather just take BLC at my next unit

[@Farmguy1]

Is it just me, and after all these years how does the Military not recognize the rank system anymore? Are we we really spending $ Boot Camp so some one can come up with this crap?

[@cbm2156]

What about DEI. What about those promoted based on these standards. if they can't pass the NCO academy do they go back to previous rank. Seems to destroy the whole DEI concept. I thought the concept was for promoting people in spite of their inability to do the job?

[@kevinharvey3308]

that was happening back in the 90's but they did pass PLDC

[@oliverhylton3472]

What percent of the army today is composed of NCO

[@Trolling85551]

The camera movement is really unnecessary, it’s not a news media on cable tv lol . If you’re doing a side camera shot at least look at it .

[@robertoescamilla8853]

It’s a way to keep your attention.

[@Svensk7119]

BLC, ALC....I remember when they were BNOC and ANOC.

[@jurban611]

Notification platoon.

[@hpblack1953]

It’s the Army. They can create a cluster…out of a paper cut.

[@RobSch-en5uc]

Too many changes ,I dont even recognize any more pldc is now something else ,91A is something else .Are there still 11b ?

[@Realistoldschool-bm6fb]

I was a 91a

[@justwelin5082]

I think this change is great, but how did they notice this problem so late😂

[@lelandgaunt9985]

Well, what sentence, if you call it that does all army leadership say every other word; “it is what it is.”

[@williampennjr.4448]

What happened to PLDC?

[@christopherchaos]

They renamed it WLC (warrior Leaders Course) and now it's BLC (Basic Leaders Course). Basicly the same course, new name.

[@williampennjr.4448]

They really love their acronyms. ​@@christopherchaos

[@SR5JOHN]

I’m so glad they fixed this…. Just because I do ranger PT doesn’t mean I’m a ranger. Go to school and earn it.

[@user-ej8ew2ib9n]

Is BLC once called PLDC? I think you had to be E5 or E4 Prom. Corpalol E4 would go

[@FXTRT-ec9lz]

Is this the same as PLDC? Thats what we had in the 80s and 90s.

[@BETTERWORLDSGT]

They don't have Bncoc anymore?

[@christopherchaos]

They just renamed it to ALC (Advanced Leader Course).

[@lelandgaunt9985]

It has not been bncoc for years!

[@BETTERWORLDSGT]

Yes, thank You, I've been out for a while, I try to keep up with the new changes!

[@4catsnow]

In 1970,,,,there were only three letters that were on a higher level than The Holy Grail.....E. T. S.

[@raymondjallen]

I never got a chance to go to BLV because my NCO was an asshole who didn’t want to see me advance.

[@raymondjallen]

I meant BLC.

[@torinwulfren9463]

E5s the new mafia now

[@future_teknokrat7585]

So not too much has changed. E6 will get priority for BLC, E7 gets priority for ALC. Only E8's will be able to to SMA before making E9 lol.

[@christopherchaos]

No because you need BLC before you can get E6 so the priority would likly go to E5s for BLC since it's needed to advance.

[@alanstrong55]

I found it amusing when a Marine named Goddard challenged his promotion denial. He requested mast to the right sources and he gain E4 even against promotion board objections. Likely got poked at with an invisible big fork. Dick was edgy and cocky with me. Dicky Goddard did get sergeant before his honorable discharge came to life. Victory won! Good enough.

[@jailanrayvon434]

5:00 Ahhh yes, deploy to a NATO country. Also... the first NCO academy of the US Army is in Grafenwoehr, Germany (where I went) and a lot of guys on ROTATION to Poland go there.

[@djpmatchbox]

I love the new policy but it is going to get abused. there is going to be units that now promote ANYONE. But this is a good thing for the examples you gave.

[@coloradoyankee8713]

Hopefully Specialists and Sergeants will not get the shaft over this new promotion setup. Like with SSD classes 14 years ago.

[@mitchellsmith4690]

You know, tne 80s/90s Army seemed to be better ran/managed.

[@charlesharrington9116]

It was, most definitely.

[@claytonboyd9257]

YEAH THIS IS RETIRED E 7 USMC. I WENT. NCO. AND. SSGT NCO SCHOOL., LONG CLASS WORK SSGT SCHOOL USMC

[@leroyducharme2477]

People will vote with their feet! Create a non centralized course to allow 1SG to give instruction!

[@wavey912]

Dam

[@peralta2912]

The Army is kicking the can down the road, instead of fixing a problem. This a big problem to me, having someone that might be in charge of a squad, not having at least some knowledge, and I am not saying the PLDC is an absolute, it an introduction and very important. I have a feeling this is a backdoor to DEI crap.

[@dbushybearded2813]

What if a soldier gets promoted then goes to PME and fails lol

[@christopherchaos]

Then they will not be eligible for the next rank until they can pass it.

[@benjaminharrison1522]

You never made ssgt

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

Ex-80s Army here. It sounds like by doing away with PLDC, BNOC, and ANOC they’ve politicized promotion. Only the worst and “worster”will rise through such a system. Dreadful. Get out while you can.

[@alanbrooke3237]

NCO SCHOOL? SNCO SCHOOL? YEAH IS THAT NEW? DIDN'T KNOW WAS IN THE MARINES.

[@user-ej8ew2ib9n]

Are points to make E5, dependent upon your MOS

[@christopherchaos]

Yes. The point change each month based on if the Army needs soldiers in that rank and MOS or not. Points are high and hard to reach when the Army does not need solders at that rank in that MOS.

[@AttackCop]

He can go in Germany. A "Deployment" to Poland is not going to hurt a unit to let them go .

[@jonathankenton7182]

Unpopular opinion but after 21 years and 3 levels of PME, I’m not sure I found any of them beneficial.

[@mikesuperglide]

BNCOC & ANCOC best benefit was a free TDY away from the unit and back stateside

[@nicholasrugg7503]

So, promote - train. Got it.

[@garycleveland6410]

The Army should consider bringing back Specialist 5th and 6th.

[@fathead8933]

This all day. Some guys don’t need to lead but don’t need to be treated like privates. And a warrant for training Infantry.

[@user-ej8ew2ib9n]

Most definitely, doesn't make sense but almost all E4s are SPC4 why my time in infantry I only saw 4cpls, of which none asserted themselves (for the most part) to outrank a SPC4,

[@Madinfidelprepper]

PLDC, BNOC ,and ANOC are obviously no longer a damn thing .

[@christopherchaos]

They just changed the names of them. Same course, different name.

[@howardr222]

The Navy is easier at least when I was I no academy or class just a test no board made E-6 in 36 months

[@BrianEllinger-hh4rm]

Is that why I really need to pay more attention to how much money is in my pocket....😊