'The New Atheism' by Richard Dawkins, AAI 2007

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Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science

14 жыл бұрын

*** This is NOT the new talk from AAI 2009, this is from 2007. I just wanted to get it up on our youtube channel. - Josh
Richard Dawkins talks about "The New Atheism" at the AAI 2007 Conference in Washington, D.C.
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Produced by the Richard Dawkins Foundation and R. Elisabeth Cornwell
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@adrianjanssens7116
@adrianjanssens7116 3 жыл бұрын
My best to the videographer who recorded this and kept up as Richard spoke and then referred to slides. Smooth and professional. Thank you.
@WilderWein77
@WilderWein77 13 жыл бұрын
Dawkins is so delightful! And this gives me hope for a future of reason.
@auail5594
@auail5594 10 жыл бұрын
Religion kills curiosity--our difference from animals
@vinloc3854
@vinloc3854 7 жыл бұрын
People kill curiosity, religion is made by man. Christ is truth. Not man made.
@grimwatcher
@grimwatcher 14 жыл бұрын
I really liked Richard's answer about the human need for ritual: A ritual can be good, it's nothing to get upset about, it can be rather moving and beautiful to celebrate our culture in symbolic terms. As long as we remember that rituals are just that, symbolic for something else
@taoandzen
@taoandzen 14 жыл бұрын
I found religion, saw through it, tore down its walls and threw it away. I found myself, dissected the ego, extinguished the soul and let it go. I found life, climbed its mountains, walked its forests, swam its oceans, and to nature it will be given back.
@SamuelDaram
@SamuelDaram 14 жыл бұрын
Great lecture. I could listen to Dawkins all day ! What's great is that he is taking the opponents' criticism and tearing them apart.
@mayitodelgado
@mayitodelgado 13 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, I wish hispanic speaking people can have access to these lectures.
@mayitodelgado
@mayitodelgado 13 жыл бұрын
I encourage people to be accountable on the noble task to help Richard Dawkins as many others to establish a strong foundation for the scientific thought among our communities during this century. It is crucial for the future of life on earth.
@ryanm7263
@ryanm7263 9 жыл бұрын
"Atheists have no basis for morality." We know from observation that all human beings have something common to their experience: their wish to be happy and to be free from suffering and the causes of suffering. We also know from observation that all human beings are made up of the same elemental material, and that all of this elemental material has identical origins: ancient stars. This establishes our basic equality and basic commonality in an objective sense. With an objective basis for acknowledging our basic equality, and with an objective basis for acknowledging our basic commonality, we have an objective basis for moral behaviour. Behaviour which deprives other human beings of their happiness is immoral, and behaviour which does not, is not. The problem with deriving a moral code from an invisible ghost in the sky for which there is exactly zero evidence has to do with its inherent lack of objectivity. Since there is no evidence for the existence of an invisible ruler in the sky, we know that its moral edicts originate not from a really-existing ghost but from the imaginations of people who believe in ghosts. Morality which has its origins within the private perceptions of those who believe in magical ghosts is inherently unreliable, and this explains why so many of the most heinous moral crimes in human history were carried out by religious people and institutions. Nothing further needs to be said on this issue.
@world2urnin
@world2urnin 9 жыл бұрын
Ryan MacFarlane- A couple of points to consider- Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE X-NONE MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Point 1 "With an objective basis for acknowledging our basic equality, and with an objective basis for acknowledging our basic commonality, we have an objective basis for moral behaviour. Behaviour which deprives other human beings of their happiness is immoral, and behaviour which does not, is not." Using your "objective basis" to evaluate behaviors "...which deprives other human beings of their happiness is immoral" would logically have you defending human life of the unborn since we all share this basic commonality from conception to grave. You are ProLife, right? And- Point 2 "...and this explains why so many of the most heinous moral crimes in human history were carried out by religious people and institutions." Your statement here ignores the facts of history. The greatest moral crimes in human history were committed by Atheists. Pol Pot (~ 1.7 million murders), Adolf Hitler (~ 16 million murders), Joseph Stalin (~23 million murders), Mao Zedong (~ 50 million murders), etc...were all atheists that had millions of murders committed in the name of their "belief systems". Murder is a heinous moral crime, right? Were these atheists wrong for committing millions of murders? Where in your paradigm do you account for their actions? The God of the Bible has given us an objective standard by which we live and laws by which all peoples are judged. Regardless of Race… black, brown, red, yellow or white… Regardless of Religion… Jew, Gentile, Atheist, Pagan or Christian….We are all under the same judge and laws. The laws provide objective standards by which we establish and value human life. We protect all human life- old, young, even the unborn… because we know life is sacred. /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;}
@haiderdear909
@haiderdear909 9 жыл бұрын
Yes that fine bcoz religious morals are sanatic conclusions. Thats why we dont respects your baseless moral.
@ryanm7263
@ryanm7263 8 жыл бұрын
***** _Using your "objective basis" to evaluate behaviors would logically have you defending human life of the unborn since we all share this basic commonality from conception to grave_ No. Deriving our morality from an acknowledgement of our most fundamentally in-common nature and wishes does not lead into a pro-life conclusion. There are two criterion by which our treatment of others has an objective moral basis: 1) That we have common origins and composition, and 2) That we have common experience, i.e., the wish to be happy and not to suffer. Early in its development, an unborn fetus does not possess a nervous system capable of supporting the experience of self-awareness, and as such it is not capable of undergoing experiences like happiness and suffering. Because this is true, unborn fetuses early in their development cannot be evaluated in the same moral terms as other human beings. Those few atheist leaders responsible for great crimes against humanity did not commit their atrocities for atheistic reasons, nor was their lack of religious belief causal to their crimes. If anything, those individuals opposed established religions because their existence interfered with the cult of personality they sought to establish around themselves.
@Doriesep6622
@Doriesep6622 4 жыл бұрын
Morality is all we atheists have.
@YorickReturns
@YorickReturns 9 жыл бұрын
Actually, 'man' was originally gender-neutral. The prefix added to the word 'man' to turn it into 'male man' survives in the word 'werewolf'. The equivalent female prefix led to the modern word 'wife'. In conclusion, 'werewolf' is sexist, and 'man' isn't.
@TheAslijan
@TheAslijan 10 жыл бұрын
i am soooo atheist that if you disintegrate me to my cells, each and everyone of them will be atheist individually. I know my comment is out of context but i cant say it outloud in my country cause there will be consequences and they will be dire. So I just wanna go on record; im an atheist...whoaaa, feels good (to be able to and to use the opportunity be honest even it s in cyber world)
@Djorgal
@Djorgal 9 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity. What country is it exactly? An islamic one maybe? Also what is your name and address damn infidel?!! Hmm sorry, I got carried.
@shadyganem5448
@shadyganem5448 8 жыл бұрын
the biggest fear people have when they think of a world without religion is chaos. its an irrational fear not because lack of religions can guarantee any stabilty in the world. rather its because until now religions didnt contribute anything for peace. on the contrary wars are the product of religions. the biggest misconception is that virtue is the product of religions. no. it's the product of human intelligence just as religion is the product of human intelligence. if you are , by your nature a seeker of truth, you will be a decent human being as a consequences. and if you are logical you will be agnostic. however, you cant be a jew, christian muslim..ect and have these qualities because there is a deep contridiction.
@Dejoblue
@Dejoblue 14 жыл бұрын
I vividly recall stopping EVERYTHING we were doing in school during the second semester, this is in 6 - 9 grade junior high/middleschool, Normally having a 7 period day of math english etc., where we would spend two weeks learning what was on the standardized tests. We would be closed up into rooms with instructors for two whole weeks, our homeroom teacher, and would go over the material for a test that lasted three days.
@robbiebonham
@robbiebonham 14 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@igorflexus9493
@igorflexus9493 9 жыл бұрын
Thanx for uploading! This is one of the better of the good ones! Love it!
@Skcorps
@Skcorps 13 жыл бұрын
Ah Dawkins, you are a genius. I want to give him a hug, seriously.
@Zandaka001
@Zandaka001 13 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is epic in so many levels ^^
@ChipChipBreak
@ChipChipBreak 14 жыл бұрын
I greatly admire this man.
@Asilaysheepless
@Asilaysheepless Жыл бұрын
Me too
@hokiturmix
@hokiturmix 5 жыл бұрын
WE THANK YOU ! :D
@DarkMatterVisible
@DarkMatterVisible 6 жыл бұрын
The very process of sequences being duplicated and then variated based on the organism's needs is the very definition of adding information. It starts with a template of what came before, and then changes that sequence creating a new bit of information. Creating new information is what evolution does, it's one of the foundations of biology.
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
Belief is not proof, it is the acceptance of an idea without evidence.
@Kitbaloo24
@Kitbaloo24 11 жыл бұрын
An hour of Richard Dawkins? GET IN!
@truvelocity
@truvelocity 14 жыл бұрын
I'd hate to abandon ritual, I think that its how we learn music, play the drums, and dance. It is a pattern that helps us get into focus about something in mass. Coping with loss, sharing a union, etc.
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
Crimes cannot be undone. Jail sentences do not erase the effects of the crime, they simply act as a punishment for the criminal and prevent - quite effectively - the criminal committing any more crime whilst in prison.
@I_Am_SciCurious
@I_Am_SciCurious 14 жыл бұрын
sonnygll Personally, modern science played a key role in convincing me there is no god. Dawkins comes from a scientific background as opposed to a primarily philosophical view, and science provides tangible evidence for how and why we came to be. It's thanks to him that I'm no longer sitting on the agnostic deist fence. Each of the well-known Atheists has their role to play; each appeals to a different mindset. I'm grateful to all of them for their work and their courage to speak out.
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@theIraqiAtheist
@theIraqiAtheist 14 жыл бұрын
very good point
@Dejoblue
@Dejoblue 14 жыл бұрын
We dont teach children how to think critically, or how to manage money with basic economics or even have required home economics where we can learn how to cook, sew, clean etc, properly. When I left High school into the real world, I was not prepared for ridiculously simple, basic LIFE necessities. Learning in a dorm room with others just as ignorant should not be the norm for our society. Let alone critical thinking.
@Segepop
@Segepop 14 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by freezing? I've noticed a lot of youtube videos keep freezing (loading, although the videos is already loaded) and I thought it's just my computer | internet connection.
@XGralgrathor
@XGralgrathor 13 жыл бұрын
« calling them idiots doesn't help » Wouldn't say that. Venting frustration is a very healthy psychological mechanism. Keeps one from becoming unbalanced.
@astat1
@astat1 14 жыл бұрын
It's from 2007, back then there was still hope...
@pikachucoolgamer
@pikachucoolgamer 14 жыл бұрын
i love all of dawkins videos and the way he explains it... it would be great if the videos have some subtitles... cuz im in mexico,... and some times i want to show them to other people but,... most of my friends dont speak in english... haha... ill keep waiting... =P
@juanriingen
@juanriingen 3 жыл бұрын
Picachu, You are not alone, mi Amigo
@queenastilon
@queenastilon 13 жыл бұрын
@ananiasacts "Religion works by insinuating itself into a child's psyche before they've developed the cognitive ability to even realize that this is taking place, [etc]." VERY nicely put. I'm going to make a note of that.
@psych0185
@psych0185 14 жыл бұрын
Mr. Dawkins never fails to amuse...
@brazdamnit
@brazdamnit 13 жыл бұрын
He loves to talk about him. Because he rocks.
@mime454
@mime454 13 жыл бұрын
Richard Dawkins is so awesome. I love the way that he always seems happy. He's really passionate about anything about which he speaks.
@Doriesep6622
@Doriesep6622 4 жыл бұрын
He is sooo urbane and polished!
@kevinchamberlain7928
@kevinchamberlain7928 11 жыл бұрын
My statement is still not overturned.
@robbiebonham
@robbiebonham 14 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. This wont play past 6:20. Anyone else getting this problem?
@xphs
@xphs 14 жыл бұрын
Great vid
@JpAiMpEeSr
@JpAiMpEeSr 14 жыл бұрын
They are both reliable but in different ways.
@theaccousticaddict
@theaccousticaddict 11 жыл бұрын
I wasn't referring to my survival either, I was referring to the survival of of the less fortunate people and kids in third world countries who die everyday from lack of good water to drink and food.
@johnwalker8691
@johnwalker8691 9 жыл бұрын
Who did the sub titles, lol.
@JoeyTube
@JoeyTube 14 жыл бұрын
I've been having some heated debates with theists here and there, and I've come to the sad conclusion that no matter how much rationality you throw at them, they will NOT budge... ESPECIALLY creationists and apologists! I give you a LOT of credit Richard, simply for not giving up in the face of SO much ignorance and stubbornness! Even in my few dozen debates, I've grown frustrated with all the sheer ignorance, to the point where I've just given up trying to explain things to these people...
@cyranothe2nd
@cyranothe2nd 14 жыл бұрын
Yes, and this is unfortunate. I think the best science class I ever took was the History of Science...just explaining where we came from and how we came to these ideas. Totally fascinating and so helpful in learning the concepts.
@aldoacosta758
@aldoacosta758 3 жыл бұрын
0l u gc u
@alittleofeverything4190
@alittleofeverything4190 3 жыл бұрын
I learned I'm an athorist today!
@JpAiMpEeSr
@JpAiMpEeSr 14 жыл бұрын
You know what, I kind of agree with that.
@CrimeEnjoyer
@CrimeEnjoyer 14 жыл бұрын
Me too, I get all giddy.
@yatter1
@yatter1 14 жыл бұрын
@epanek I like the analogy
@vipaccess1
@vipaccess1 13 жыл бұрын
@Horathgar42 This we can agree, the debate is essential for truth to win out.
@Prunesqualer
@Prunesqualer 14 жыл бұрын
The spontaneous leaping into existence of the universe, however I find a lot harder to make sense of (I guess this is one reason why you find more physicists than biologists who are religious). That said, as I acknowledged earlier, postulating the existence of a god(s) doesnt answer the problem it makes it worse (ie you have to assume a highly complex being sprang into existence from nothing).
@TheRationalizer
@TheRationalizer 14 жыл бұрын
@MrGoblinCock Look for the youtube video "A universe from nothing" by Laurence Krauss.
@-Zer0Dark-
@-Zer0Dark- 12 жыл бұрын
@Fantasticlist Are you asking ME to answer his question or are you demanding HIS answer (which was edited out of the original video)?
@AtheistBrit
@AtheistBrit 14 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And how come the Ten Commandments don't include things such as "Thou shalt not rape" but DOES include things such as "Thou shalt not worship graven images"?? Priorities!
@FakeAssHandsomeMcGee_
@FakeAssHandsomeMcGee_ 13 жыл бұрын
@mayitodelgado Hispanic speaking people? I am hispanic, I have access to these lectures, and I completely love them. Richard Dawkins is brilliant and I am aware of some of the things hispanic "Catholics" believe in.
@windywithachanceofsunshine5219
@windywithachanceofsunshine5219 8 жыл бұрын
I am so thankful for free will to choose the truth!
@vinloc3854
@vinloc3854 7 жыл бұрын
What is truth?
@vipaccess1
@vipaccess1 13 жыл бұрын
@Horathgar42 There is a book called "Bones of contention" which goes into detail about lucy. Also think about it; a set of bones found in Africa which are held up to be the bases for Prehistoric man, when the origin of language, etc is all found in Mesopotamia.
@lazygamerz
@lazygamerz 12 жыл бұрын
If I hit you in the face, it is unethical. It causes you a less comfortable existence for a time. If I call it something, it is still unethical, because it still causes you a less comfortable existence for a time. If me hitting you in the face causes me joy, it causes you pain, and me joy, it does not cancel out (both people still feel the effects of the act, they dont dissapear because they're the opposite). Thus, if I imprison someone, in doing so cause joy, it is still unethical.
@CousinoMacul
@CousinoMacul 14 жыл бұрын
Was that Hemant asking the second question?
@dlandon2000
@dlandon2000 14 жыл бұрын
20:00 to 21:30 is my favorite
@taoandzen
@taoandzen 14 жыл бұрын
Yes perfection can be attained on this earth. It would require everyone to tear down the walls of division such as religion, political ideologies and nations. Very hard to imagine because humanity has the afflictions of greed, aversion and delusion. So all we can hope is that individuals take the time to really observe and studying their own minds. Then as awareness and higher consciousness arises we can take a moment to truly try to change ourselves not someone else.
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
The power to change everything is omnipotence, knowing all is omniscience. If you know (using omniscience) HOW you are going to change a future event, you cannot change your mind - which means you're not omnipotenet. If you decide to prove doubters wrong and use your omnipotence to change the future event in a different way from the way you knew you were going to, then you are not omniscient, because you were wrong in the first place. That is why the two are mutually exclusive.
@lollertoaster
@lollertoaster 10 жыл бұрын
Just imagine covers of science magazines when we discover teapot orbiting the sun between earth and martian orbit. #mind_on_xkcd
@lollertoaster
@lollertoaster 10 жыл бұрын
***** lmao ^ω^
@bradgrady7497
@bradgrady7497 10 жыл бұрын
***** The Pot, the Cup, and the Steamy liquid.
@lvgxc10
@lvgxc10 9 жыл бұрын
I know.... Thor and Isis will love it
@frankmurphyburr3598
@frankmurphyburr3598 8 жыл бұрын
+lollertoaster as a teapot orbiter, I find your comments offensively funny
@Diasanti
@Diasanti 14 жыл бұрын
You can go to richarddawkinsDOTnet and click on the store icon. It is the first thing that they have for sale.
@cutes22
@cutes22 13 жыл бұрын
Long after we're dead, these people will be in the history books, if all goes as it should.
@Tori_TLCR
@Tori_TLCR 12 жыл бұрын
I ♥ Dawkins. His ability to laugh at the theists that send him hate mail or create those fake videos is awesome and always good for a laugh.
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
Hey shotsxxx, Do YOU think it is silly to not look both ways when crossing the road?
@robbiebonham
@robbiebonham 14 жыл бұрын
Got to work eventually, though even after closing windows and relaoding / refreshing it still kept insisting on starting 5 minutes in, then stopping again at 6.20. Seems to be ok now. Must have been God trying to stop us seeing it :D
@Prunesqualer
@Prunesqualer 14 жыл бұрын
If you reread my post you'll see that I was talking about the origin of the universe and not the origin of life. Given the immense age and size of out universe combined with the fact that the physics seems very conducive to the existence of complex organised systems, then the spontaneous emergence of life within our universe doesnt challenge my credulity. Continued
@TomFynn
@TomFynn 13 жыл бұрын
@Gazdo01 I was stating explicitly "in the examples", thus encompassing *all* the examples I gave you. Not just the Inquisition. Please try to read what's there.
@Angelslayer007
@Angelslayer007 11 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily questions, mostly statements concerning the video you sent. Scroll up and find out.
@berlinbrown03
@berlinbrown03 14 жыл бұрын
One thing about atheism, it never gets old or uninteresting. So I hope Dawkins can talk and talk and rant and rant.
@automaticSOM
@automaticSOM 14 жыл бұрын
The fact that science consistently yields succesful results and constantly proves itself right is proof enough for me. Of course you cannot actually do an experiment to prove that science is effective because the doing of that particular experiment entails using science in some shape or form Philosophy can be affective, but only when it is backed up by science.
@85jacob85
@85jacob85 12 жыл бұрын
@DentistD1G Good on ya buddy! I hope more people see the light
@vipaccess1
@vipaccess1 13 жыл бұрын
@Horathgar42 In what way has science ruled out a Designer and life source? The laws which exist point to a Designer and life source. There was a model a person made which was at a museum, it used gears and spokes to recreate our planetary system. The model was great because it showed how all the planets interacting with each other including their moons. what caught my attention is the model had a designer but the actual Solar system has none?
@kevinchamberlain7928
@kevinchamberlain7928 11 жыл бұрын
My statement stands.
@sakar181
@sakar181 13 жыл бұрын
@JimbleBass Unfortunately not. Wish I were, but Im not in Austin and haven't the money to donate ATM. I was just giving examples of what some atheist groups do for socialization.
@WhiteWomanSinging
@WhiteWomanSinging 14 жыл бұрын
Considering that the Bible has only been printed (and therefore sold) 2 million copies, I'd say that atheism has a pretty damn good start with those statistics he just listed. GO DAWKINS!!!!
@freesalvation7
@freesalvation7 14 жыл бұрын
Oh to be without Christ how empty life must be. "There is no God beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me and be ye save all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:21a-22 'I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11b "Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Mathew 11:28 The Justice of God was satisfied at Golgotha, Trust Christ alone
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
Again, I'm not a philosopher akido - I'm just some bloke, please define your technical terms if you feel that I'm misunderstanding them. Science is not based upon unproveable axioms (unlike some branches of mathematics) - it is based on the actual physical laws that are an actual feature of the universe. This is why we can often apply our theories to make new things - radio, GM foods, aircraft etc... If you really think science doesn't deal with reality - don't get on a plane!
@theaccousticaddict
@theaccousticaddict 12 жыл бұрын
Angels worship God because he is their creator and deserves their worship, just as he is our creator and deserves our worship. There is nothing we can offer God for the wonderful gift of life he gave to us for FREE, so the least we can do is say "thank you Lord" and that is what worship is. Why wont he accept worship? He deserves it!!
@SilasCole88
@SilasCole88 9 жыл бұрын
People make remixes all the time, doesn't mean it was a creationist who edited them.
@dejesusluisx
@dejesusluisx 12 жыл бұрын
Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism, incest, etc; things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all evil is the next step. Atheism rejects Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model,which is a step back for consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level, is now or never.
@Immuuni
@Immuuni 14 жыл бұрын
i have problem with freezing on this video
@sonnygll
@sonnygll 14 жыл бұрын
megoofychick Russell, actually did analytical philosophy, much like Dennett. So science was used, and it was even then, advanced enough to show there was no gap for god. What Dawkins did different that was really good, was expand on WHY evolution made the argument from design useless. I like all the newer atheist authors and have bought and read their books. I am very glad they are speaking out too. I'll continue.
@BeekersSqueakers
@BeekersSqueakers 14 жыл бұрын
12:10 is hilarious! "Science is interesting and if you don't agree you can fuck off." Does anyone know where to find that video?
@kevinchamberlain7928
@kevinchamberlain7928 11 жыл бұрын
You make interesting points. I absolutely agree with your opinion on religious dogma. Scripture and religion are two separate entities however. What if a creationist found verses within scripture that were in accord with science (and maybe even ahead of science by millenia) would that be fact or faith now?
@halonone
@halonone 14 жыл бұрын
I live in the Bible belt of the United States. And it depresses the hell out of me that I have to find solace in videos like this and KZbinrs who feel the same as I do because there's so many people here whose minds are closed off to logic and reason. It's better than nothing though. :p
@JabborWacky
@JabborWacky 12 жыл бұрын
@TomFynn I agree with you completely as long as the approach doesn't involve judging him as though he is part of a religious sect that is not his own. Show them that their source material and what they believe doesn't add up, or even add up with reality in general, is completely alright in my book.
@vipaccess1
@vipaccess1 14 жыл бұрын
@nin8halos- Correction it was George Wald who said " spontanous generation of a lving organisml is impossible. Yet here we are I believe in spontanous generation." The origins of life, Scientific American, vol 190,
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
I'm not a philosopher and if it takes a philosopher to doubt the existence of reality, I'm glad that i'm not one! The thought experiment you describe is interesting and at this time, I cannot think of a way to disprove it - neither can you, neither can anyone else - even Dawkins. Maybe you cannot be sure that the real world is real, but it's still worth looking both ways when crossing the road.
@-Zer0Dark-
@-Zer0Dark- 12 жыл бұрын
@Fantasticlist That's like saying "If you quit eating meat, how can you tell me that you ever really liked meat?" Of course I was a Christian. I adhered to my irrationality as though my eternal life depended on it. Because, of course, I thought that it did. But as I said, we've all got to wake up sometime. I began learning more about how the world actually works and as an uncontrollable result, my faith faded away. It doesn't mean I am lying about being Christian. It simply means I woke up.
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
Circular reasoning it may be, but to accept the alternative "If I can see / hear / smell / touch something then it cannot be real" is simply absurd! Look both ways when crossing the road is still good advice. The proof of the existence of the real world is the fact of its existence.
@bassbasketball03
@bassbasketball03 11 жыл бұрын
Sorry man i didn't know you asked a question concerning the video. What is your question sir?
@vipaccess1
@vipaccess1 14 жыл бұрын
This is a great infomercial for those who already have a hatred for God. RD is your saviour. Exchanging the Glory of God for the worship of the creature! How sad!
@PinataPoppa
@PinataPoppa 14 жыл бұрын
I would say it is wise to assume you are real and what you can see is real - and therefore it makes sense to take care when crossing the road. We actually do live in a fantasy, the world we percieve with our eyes is a fabulous model that our brains construct for us to navigate around our world.
@sonnygll
@sonnygll 14 жыл бұрын
(continued) The point I was actually making, was this. The critics who call this "new atheism", and act like it is somehow different, and inferior, are just not well read. In fact they are willfully ignorant. Unless they think 80+ years is still new. I was also commenting on the absurdity of them calling the very polite Dr. Dawkins, strident. Hitchens is the only recent author that takes a harsh tone at all.
@monkofdeaths
@monkofdeaths 12 жыл бұрын
this is going to be a late night...
@johmedis
@johmedis 10 жыл бұрын
Funny definition considering I've often used that to describe any religious individual I've had the misfortune of hearing speak
@RodiAgnusDei
@RodiAgnusDei 13 жыл бұрын
@RodiAgnusDei I lived under communism for 9 years. If you did, you would never allow someone to dictate to you what you thought or believed ever again.
@JabborWacky
@JabborWacky 12 жыл бұрын
I think the greatest problem we face in dialogue with various religions, particularly the Judaic ones, is that when they ask us why we do not believe and we respond with a detailed answer, they take offense. This is a failure on the theist's part to recognize our response as just that, a response. It is not an attack. Specifically of the Judaic variety, the worshiper tends to get into some kind of pseudo-romance with his vision of God, and disbelief is misinterpreted as emotional rejection.
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