The New California Republic - Legion War | New Vegas Cartography

[@theneocypher]

Ave!! Thank you so much for having me RadKing! It was a pleasure to put this video of epic proportions together with you!

[@InsecureTransGirl]

Awesome to see you collaborating with more people. Love your channel Cypher!

[@arizona-hunter6684]

Damn traitor (jk). Good to see you working with the King of Rads.

[@crowvii]

Loved the collab! Thank you for such a great video!

[@rapidfirer56]

You did good man!

[@wisdomneeded1487]

True to Caesar

[@jeffersongray9356]

The NCR has a flag with a bear with two heads and the Legion a bull with one head in a world where bears still have one head but bulls have two heads.

[@GLARebel]

[PERCEPTION] 10

[@ThomasBriard]

Best comment.

[@Some_random_blu_spy]

Holy shit hes right

[@uDaniels]

the emblematic (mutated?) two headed bear where there are none in (their) reality represents the republics fighting spirit, flexibility and ability to adapt (mutate?), even against nature's will if need be. the one headed bull where there are no longer in (their) reality also represents a sort of fighting spirit but are more traditionalist and conservative, molding everything to their ideas of purity, symbolically rebelling against natures corruption by mankind or whatever it is they ideologically stand against or for even lol idk the legion's core philosophy/religion/system of beleif even their goals after controling the Mojave aren't clear or well written. legion seems kinda hollow under the hood compared to NCR but maybe that's just cos NCR's underpinning philosophy is just neoliberalism and that's already been exhaustively justified outside the writing of fallout, idk im kinda stoned

[@travislefebvre7341]

I like to imagine two headed bears are out there and we just haven’t seen them yet

[@breecegriffith5896]

“The Bear and The Bull, The Bull and The Bear”. -90% of Ulysses dialogue.

[@Woahahaha3]

Then he dropped the fire “Navarro.” That takes up 80% of what I remember of him

[@username1660]

As much of a West Coast Fallout fanboy as I am, I was okay with the changes made by the Fallout show except for it making it that Captain Symbology ended up getting his way.

[@mattmark94]

@username1660 bot, the fallout show sucked

[@username1660]

@@mattmark94 Ulysses is and always will be worse.

[@realdaggerman105]

@@mattmark94 I know it’s a shock, but real people do actually enjoy the show, even with its flaws. I admit it has pretty glaring holes, but it did also make me replay Fallout 1, so good times were had by all.

[@bluecapgun785]

I love the idea that somehow Primm Slimm keeps the NCR out of Primm.

[@uhhyeacoolman2786]

they can't even feed their troops so I'm not surprised

[@W0KeIzEvil]

Now that the capital of the ncr is glass they got bigger problems lol

[@gageriddle1681]

@BabySniff well, according to the chalkboard its supposed to be nuked 1 year after the battle of hellios one.. yet shady sands is referenced as a present tense location in NV... chalk (no pun intended) it up to bethesda and the show runners just not caring

[@bluecapgun785]

@gageriddle1681 that's just not true, and you're a bad person for wanting to be angry. The shady sands discrepency has been addressed, the chalkboard denoted the "fall of shady sands" then an arrow, followed by a nuke. Notice the arrows separating all other historic points on said chalk board without any reference to how many years passed. There is no retconning, there is no plot hole, just people jumping to conclusions and choosing to be upset.

[@RAIDENCHEEKS]

​@@bluecapgun785people just want to find reasons to be mad at bethesda even after a great film New vegas fans will never be satisfied and they are the most toxic too

[@CaptainForsyth]

I see fans are swearing their loyalty to either NCR or the Legion When everyone knows the best faction in fallout is the Republic of Dave.

[@breecegriffith5896]

No, it’s the Enclave.

[@darkcheaker]

Dave is an enclave plant

[@nekipeh7373]

Nah, Followers of Apocalypse help everyone and dont ask for anything back. Legends

[@Tyler-f00k1n]

Huboligists rise up!!!

[@hermos3602]

You guys are all wrong. The true best faction is the Tunnel Snakes? Why? Because the rule!!!

[@kirnupiimaa]

A geopolitics video that doesn't inspire existential dread? Yes please!

[@theneocypher]

Ave!!

[@ryanhelm1813]

The fallout univers has slowly but surely started to mirror the real world more, I feel 😅

[@brian2888]

@@ryanhelm1813 Time to build the New California Republic then irl!

[@breakerdawn8429]

@@brian2888 What do you mean? We already have high corruption and nepotistic values within California. Combined with the waste of resources, incompetent politicians and the fact that most are already living in slums, the difference between the real world and NCR is that they don't have a two headed bear.

[@brian2888]

@@breakerdawn8429 Im not a big fan of the government (30 on 30), im not a big fan of the government, im not a big fan of the government (30 on 30)

[@Cosmic-Sorceress-17]

I love the duel perspective approach to this analysis: it really fleshes out both possible endings in a way I haven't fully seen since I last played the game. And really shows just how much the Courier's actions and all possible alliances have on the outcome.

[@theneocypher]

Im so gad you enjoyed it! Thank you!

[@AAAaaaaaeeeeeeeee]

Now do a video on the lore behind the shirtless oiled battle between Todd Howard and Josh Sawyer at the Frontier mod developer's house.

[@Historyguy-xu5ht]

In the midst of the melee, arriving late yet ready, Tim Cain joins the melee And Ron Pearlman narrates the fight

[@theneocypher]

I’d be down! Collab part two? 🤔

[@passingrando6457]

I dunno, Todd's time in the chess club gives him an undoubted tactical advantage, but I think Josh Sawyer's ability to wade the waters of Zion IRL give him the cardio to defeat Todd's sweet little lies.

[@concept5631]

​@@Historyguy-xu5ht *"Because war, war never changes."*

[@HanzTheODST]

@@Historyguy-xu5ht as he should, pearlman is a great voice actor and narrator

[@inductivegrunt94]

Possibly the greatest war ever in the Wasteland's history. "Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter."

[@pugthemaster8]

This. This right here, is why New Vegas is the best fallout game. Every camp, every location, every faction, has importance and thought put behind them, making such an in-depth feeling world

[@bubba2o00]

It really is the best game world building wise. It's such a shame that it's difficult to get running and the gameplay feels dated.

[@FuteFranta]

Vanilla runs out of the box on steam and gog on Win10 Fallout 3 on the other hand...

[@mullythebully5557]

True. I was thinking about this the other day. In Bethesda fallout, you have random settlements, no government. And there is no feeling of territory, the sense that the specific faction owns an area and is in competition with another. In Bethesda fallout, factions dont have a presence. they may only have 1 base, which they concentrate on.

[@noha112]

​​@@FuteFranta They fixed Fallout 3 on Windows 10 a while ago. I think it is a you problem at this point.

[@CodexQuinn]

​​​​@@mullythebully5557 Imo its a Bethesda issue in the sense of they got the license of "post apocalypse rpg" and assumed it meant STRAIGHT after the bombs, ignoring that 3 and 4 take place 200 years after nuclear war. In 3 theres no attempt at regional government, just dudes in shacks stocking up on ever more dirty water and 200 year old food. In 4, there was a *single* attempt at a regional government that got immediately murdered by the institute. If they had remembered that the west coast has fully functional governments in the NCR, Vault City, Caesars Legion, or hell even new Reno and the Shi, one being 1940s new york and the other being a straight up kung fu movie, it wouldve been nice to see some kinda functional "nation" other than the obviously Superior Republic of Dave and Lyon's BoS. Edit: like, as an example, what is realistically stopping megaton from having squad(s) of scavenger patrols that both protects the territory around their city and also keeps an eye out for the odd piece of loot? All they have for defense is a metal wall and a dude with a hunting rifle.

[@locustsun]

Neocypher has a perfect cadence for a legion representative.

[@theneocypher]

Ave! Thank you! 🎉

[@giovannicervantes2053]

​@@theneocypherand I like the idea of a scholar legionarre that trades up a lot of books and tech that provides info

[@Grimpy970]

'Shady sands' sounds like a nice spot to lay down that I'd promise to my dogs. Like, "c'mere buddy, how's bout you lay down in the shady saaands? There ya' go. That's a good boy" You can't tell me that disgruntled workers over the years never referenced the place as 'shitty sands'. I subconsciously hear it almost every time someone talks about the place! My headcanon includes 'shitty sands' as a lore-accurate slur for the place

[@larrychilders6599]

The birthplace of the Ashmother

[@Grimpy970]

@larrychilders6599 that's ash-LADY to you and she's a good girl! Yes she is, isn't she!?

[@W0KeIzEvil]

It's now Shady Glass, lol

[@larrychilders6599]

@@Grimpy970 yes

[@OvenHut]

shady sands more like shady crater

[@daveyjennings37]

"I resent that" cracked me up😂

[@theneocypher]

😂

[@eggy6815]

Man, mapping out the Mojave must’ve made you wish for a nuclear winter

[@PresAlexWhit]

FALLOUT CARTOGRAPHY! Yeahhhhhjh!

[@theneocypher]

Ave!

[@AngryShrymp]

You have to admit, NCR really shot themselves in the foot thinking the Legion wouldn't try again with a slower method. Years to prepare yet here they are waiting for a miracle, that being Courier 6

[@hopedream11]

It's mentioned that Corruption and incompetent leadership are the reason for that. Hence Boone's quote, Hsu Would be in charge if Oliver didn't have Nepotism on his side and Hanlon didn't get sidelined by Oliver/Kimball. In short warhawks with no idea how to win and corrupt "democratic" lobbyists and Barons and corporations, fucked up that plan. Liberal democracy in a nutshell. Which is accurate because of how NCR is modeled after Current and Pre war in FO, America's. Including the imperialism. Now personally I believe NCR would need a revolution Ala 1917 or China 1949 style to eliminate these issues. Also possible slavery esqe conditions exist and The Desert Rangers hate that with a passion and likely some of NCR's Corruption and corporate greed. NCR could possibly enter a civil war post Hoover Dam loss victory might give it a few more decades of life but conditions would come to a head eventually. Provided courier solves all the NCR's issues, they might be considerably better off.

[@mcsmash4905]

@@hopedream11 the NCR is emulating pre war america so well that its actually funny

[@gruntskilling]

Amazing work RadKing and NeoCypher, well thought out and reasonable. Bravo

[@theneocypher]

Ave! Thank you!

[@GardnerMinshewSimp]

We won't go quietly the legion can count on that-Based NCR Soldiers

[@funrun07haan50]

NCR JUST THE BEST Rather be a army of man fighting for freedom Then watching everybody be treathed like 💩

[@AmericanImperium2112]

@@funrun07haan50 I’m with Mr. House all the way, but the NCR is my second. I just think they need a good kick in the pants to humble them and the Courier and Mr. House is just the duo to give it to them.

[@fartmasternuts]

@@AmericanImperium2112 the house always wins

[@AmericanImperium2112]

@@fartmasternuts Indeed.

[@paulservary5360]

Mr. House = Jeff Bazos

[@CleverRiley9]

For anyone who sees this I genuinely recomend Neocypher's stuff, he gets into the RP but isnt cringe about it. Also im so glad youre covering the Mojave conflict here! Always thought itd be cool to see in this series.

[@finlaywightman7126]

How dare you call rad king cringe? It is literally like he is part of the fallout universe. I love him so much

[@CleverRiley9]

@@finlaywightman7126????? I wasn't saying he is??? I love both radking and neocypher. I was talking specifically about how some legion ppl go wayyyy overboard in terms of the RP and how Cypher isn't one of them.

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much!! 🥹

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

​@@finlaywightman7126 It seems pretty obvious to me that nothing bad was said about Radking. Just because I say this green apple is sour doesn't mean the other one right next to it isn't.

[@pyroprince90]

@@CleverRiley9that’s because legion fanboys are actual fascists in real life I doubt this guy is any different just because he hides it better

[@Gathering14]

When the legion dude is talking, I can’t help but think it sounds a little bit like Ulysses.

[@theneocypher]

I get that a lot 😅

[@viciousthehedgehog9585]

Heh, he sure does. A Courier who supports the Bull, even though he knows the Bull will still eventually fall even after their own victory.

[@b3games146]

Since they arrived in the area?!! The great Khan's have been raiding the NCR since before it was the NCR. Heck if I was a great khan I'd think the NCR was following us

[@someguy9293]

Remember, NCR settlers were killed in the Mojave, which prompted the NCR military to launch an expansion into the Mojave, which set off the chain of events for New Vegas.

[@ToxicWhiteoutGaming]

Ave! True to Cypher!

[@theneocypher]

Ave!!

[@reddeaddude2187]

Damn, I love these cartography videos! This game really deserves a remake for PC and modern consoles. Since Bethesda is too lazy they should hire modders to do it and give them whatever resources (and time) they require.

[@Altom941]

Have yet to watch the video but I do hope it covers one topic that is rarely touched. Namely, Legion's logistics. After all, they have: relatively lightly populated territory, no civillian administration to extract resources from said population, no or very light tax burden on the surviving people and no higher tech supply delivery method like rail, meaning they are subject to the wagon equatuon. Yet they somehow manage to establish and maintain a large permanent base for about a year in the middle of a desert. Quoth Benny: "How in the goddamn?"

[@FlakoDaDon-Dada]

They have plenty of civilians back East and they have to pay a "tribute". It's not basic taxes like the NCR but probably more of a weekly/monthly type thing.

[@justanotheraccounthere2014]

There are a few things that work in Legion's favor in terms of logistics. Most of these are from Josh Sawyer's posts on various forums and cannot be found in game. Not the most ideal source of canon lore, but still better than nothing. Fallout universe has a lot of magic tech. Power sources that could literally last for centuries? An automatic robot capable of performing freaking brain surgery in non-sterilized environment with almost no medical supplies? A vial of fluid that can bring people back from almost death? Yeah, those things will make supplying a big army not as challenging as real life. Legion does not require as much supply as NCR due to their preference of simple, easy to maintain and often melee weaponry and their distaste of modern medicine. No need for bullets, gun oil, spare parts for firearm repair, drugs and stims, pay for soldiers, etc. Minimal corruption and less outsourced contractors to caravans and gun dealers mean their supply line is also highly efficient. Legion does not require a civil government to extract resources from "independent" settlements under their control. They will ask the settlements to provide food and water only once. If the settlement does not comply, well I think you know what will happen. They also do not control large population centers, so all settlements are basically factories of food and water. Legion is known for asking entire settlements to relocate. Therefore, they can literally take means of production with them and minimize the length of their supply chain. They also launch raids into NCR territory, and it won't surprise me that apart from as fear tactics, these raids also "generate" a portion of Legion's supply. Nevertheless, Legion will have supply problems if they take control of large population centers such as Vegas. You can convince the Legate not to take Vegas by convincing him that Legion supply chain cannot maintain a large population center.

[@Altom941]

​@@justanotheraccounthere2014 yes, fallout has a lot of magic tech. But we have no reasons to believe Legion uses most of them. Medical tech in particular is highly indicative because the Legion has no means of fixing the only autodoc they are shown to have, nor ideed are they capable of bringing a working one. Given that the autodoc is needed to save Caesar himself, it seems like a fair indication that legion doesn't have working autodocs. Similarily, when you enter the Fort, legion guard will take away your prohibited items. That includes your stimpacks. That means that stimpacks are forbidden. We don't have direct evidence for other examples of tech, but overall there is no reason to believe the Legion is using any of that tech on any significant scale. Considering that most legionaries come from tribals conquered by the Legion it makes sense for them to not use such tech. They have no knowledge of it. Caesar himself does, but he does not share it much. For a faction that claims to prefer melee weapons their assassins are sure as shit packing some serious heat. I joke, but the point is still relevant. Most of Legionaries do not use only machetes, they use guns including high end guns or technilogically sophisticated melee weapons, like thermal lances or rippers or chainsaws. Those also require maintenance and fuel and spare parts etc. Furthermore, legion is using at least somewhat standartized armor, precious metal coinage and we do see a field smithy (or at least a blacksmith) in the camp. All of those would require logistcal support. Fuel for cooking and for the smithy is actually another bulk consumable that the legion would catgorically need, because the real life armies with even lower tech still needed it, and they can't just get it locally, not a whole lot of trees in that part of the region. The problem I have is not with the idea of legion's settlements being unwilling to give what they have. It is with the idea that those settlements actually do have enough to give and also with the idea that what they give can actually be efficiently collected and transported to the frontlines without food going bad or being eaten by the guys doing the transporting and their pack animals. Secondly, assuming that under all settlements are basically factories of food and water, you mean they are agricultural communities then that is probably true. The problem is, from what little evidence we have, both populational density and agricultural productivity of Legoin land should be pretty low. Why? Well, from dialog with both Raul and Caesar himself. Raul tells us that Arizona was mostly small towns, tribals and raider gangs with constant small scale fighting going on. Such an environment is rather counter-productive to significant population growth. Rise of the Legion did fix that patricular issue, but the way Caesar did it was to either destroy or integrate into the Legion the tribals and raiders and subjigate or, in some cases, destroy the towns. Considering that legionaries do not meaningfully contribute to the economy, it means that rise of legion had effectively wiped somewhere around 50% of already low population (technically quite a few of those people eneded up in the legion rather then dead, but again,as far as the economy is concerned there is little difference). But there is more to the problem. Modern, in this case meaning post agrarian revolution, agriculture is significantly more productive then it was before said revolution. But in order to achieve that, modern agricuture requires a lot more then just the farmers. It requires machinery, artificial fertilizers and many other things which can be only provided by the rest of the industrialized economy. Well, in Fallout verse that infrastructure got nuked and what survived the nukes is, at least in legion territory, very likely to have degraded even further due to lack of maintenance, collateral damage from constant fighting and locals cannibalizing what they can to keep their communities intact. And considering that Legion has little to none technical experitize or desire to rebuild the lands of their subjects, we can fairly safely assume, that majority, if not entirety, of agriculture in Legion territory is done in pre agricultural revolution way. And what little benefits they may have from things that did survive despite everything, is very lIkely to be countered by the residual effects of the Great war. Now that is a problem. A big one. Traditional agriculture is inefficient and has relatively low yealds, meaning that the farmers do not have much food to give in the first place and even less they would be willing to give away. Legion can force the issue, of course, but the thing is, even if they take everything, it may not be enoguh, and if they only take what the farmers can give away safely it would definitely be not enough. There is a reason why before agrarian revolution peasants made up around 90% of the population: that was how many people were needed just to feed the population. Firstly, I have not heard anything about Legion straight up relocating settlements. Secondly, even if they do, the efficiency is still a problem. There is only so much food that can be produced in the area in close viscinity to the frontline even under the best circumstances and having farmers just moved from the land they know well and have pre-established infrastructure, however meager it is, to the land they know little about and have to strart cultivating from scratch is pretty far from the best circumstances. As for the raid in the NCR, well, firstly, NCR in the region has serious supply issues as well, so they don't exactly have that much to give. But bigger problem is that raids by their very nature require troops to move fast and relatively stealthily. Which is not something that can be do if they are loaded with looted supplies. But even they do load themselves up, between their other gear, like armor and weapons and food they will consume just to feed themselves would mean that such raids would be a deop in the bucket even under the best possible condtions.

[@Altom941]

@@FlakoDaDon-Dada I made a big post replying to another comment, but that reply should also cover your points. just a heads-up.

[@theneocypher]

I have a couple of videos that touch on this!

[@dxgdxn131]

Awesome to see neocypher and you collabing!! He's come so far, been with him since the start it's great to see him here

[@theneocypher]

Ave! Thank you for your support all this time 💪🏻

[@leandersearle5094]

The greatest war the wasteland can *confirm* ever seeing. The war against The Calculator being vastly superior in scale, if it ever happened.

[@Minka-ot9xl]

If I recall there was a tweet that confirmed fallout tactics as canon

[@hopedream11]

Basically that's cannon and BOS depending on your actions conquers like 3 states and expands from Greater Lakes to near Colorado.

[@zedbags]

Now that this has officially started I'm once again suggesting it be called 'Mojave Mapping' to continue the theme of alliteration in Commonwealth Cartography

[@Martdogg3000]

I can't help but feel naming your camp "Forlorn Hope" is kind of setting yourself up for failure.

[@Hard2G3t]

I'm head-canoning it was named Camp Hope or something, but locals and troopers jokingly called it Forlorn. The name spread even to officers and the new name just stuck.

[@Premium-Dumb-Ass]

I think it was named after the IRL forlorn hope creek

[@youmukonpaku3168]

it's rather literally correct, in the original Dutch meaning of the word, "first wave." (forlorn still meaning expected to die entirely, here.)

[@someguy9293]

In my headcannon, it was originally named 'Camp Hope', until the Legion took Nelson. After that, the camp had nonstop raids and fights with the Legion. As moral dropped, troopers started referring it to Camp 'Forlorn Hope' as a way to vent their frustration and anger with the NCR. Eventually, it spread to the officers, which did change the name.

[@Briskies702]

@@Premium-Dumb-Ass Right on the money, but it's Forlorn Hope Spring, just north of Nelson

[@aaronkenney4769]

This is the greatest showing of lore ever to come from new Vegas content creators

[@theneocypher]

Wow! Thank you so much!! 🎉

[@crowvii]

I love your cartography videos! After watching the show, I was just getting excited for more NCR lore!

[@Cil-lan]

I gotta say, hearing a KZbinr actually speak using imperial latin instead of the classical counterpart made my day. I swar to God, everytime I hear him calling Caesar properly my smile grows. (Btw, I'm not a legion fan, I'm a history nerd and minuteman fan)

[@M0NSTER_D0SE]

this! as someone who knows latin and how the german Kaiser is directly derived from lat. caesar it is really refreshing to have someone use the proper pronounciation on it :)

[@RaccoonRecluse]

Legion even with the cut content not being there unless you mod it, is still an amazingly well made faction. The writers did good making people so conflicted on it. There are quite a few who like the legion as a fictional group understanding IRL morality in it, like Radkings host. The loudest incels how ever ruin it for them. That being said, I have my own brown coat and NCR patch lol

[@Luke_H98]

This was a fantastic video Radking! Love the collab with Neo too. This series is fantastic as well and I hope to see it have a long life on this channel. Also Codsworth being (possibly) sentient video when?

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much! Ave!

[@thescotslair]

and then Chief Hanlon said "I'm a pickle, Courier! Pickle HANLOOOON"

[@restitvtororbis5330]

I almost cried when he said "It's Hanlon'n time"

[@hollowheaded9319]

He then shot himself in his office.

[@connorsmith1005]

General Oliver Seething as The Rangers make 1 Hanlonillion NCR Dollars.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

Funniest shit I've ever seen

[@sanityplusmilkshakes]

Funniest shit I've seen in my life

[@wastelordslegends]

Ave True to Cypher, and Great video super awesome coverage of the Lore.

[@theneocypher]

Thanks Waste!! Ave!

[@LeonardAndHisBiscuit]

Who would win? One of the legendary Desert Rangers, using military and survival training equivalent to modern day elite soldiers in a home environment, armed with a rifle heavy-duty enough to make it capable of disabling lightly armored vehicles and an assortment of lighter weapons, and himself wearing a medium amount of personal kevlar armor... Or A tribal out in the middle of unfamiliar terrain, wearing football gear and wielding a sharp stick?

[@Historybuff_769]

I would say one the the desert rangers

[@MrMilla22]

The centurion behind him lol

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

Don't underestimate the pointy stick, it's the historical weapon meta

[@mina7572]

The Tribal and his non-fiat currency

[@LeonardAndHisBiscuit]

@@MrMilla22 Trick answer: The centurion is also wearing only football gear and wielding a slightly more pointy stick.

[@lolmantuvieja452]

I love seeing both of you explaining all of the outcomes of the game deserve like

[@Yacovo]

Like the duality of this video. Thanks for the video.

[@jesseharlan2884]

I always thought it was a shame that Jacobstown was left out of the NCR v Legion conflict, I would imagine that allying with super mutants would be beneficial to either side. Taking advantage of the tensions between the Super Mutants and the Nightkin for one side or the other is something I could see the NCR or the Legion doing.

[@RaccoonRecluse]

Given they have no way of reproducing since the master has died, and they will not be dipping more captives like he did, they point of Jacobstown was to have a peaceful place for super mutants to stay out of conflict and live out the rest of their live, life span unknown but long as af. Marcus was in fallout 2.

[@eetfukouijaaa]

Absolutely magnificent video. Thank you for this

[@ninja1man4u]

Patrolling the comment section almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[@Alrisa12]

Dude this is a great video, I love how it uses all parts of the game even parts which a huge amount of people wouldn't know about like the enclave.

[@disgorgingconsciousness2250]

This is honestly one of my favourite FNV videos on KZbin. Awesome combination of narrative and lore examination.

[@NathanWeeks]

I just realized Chief Hanlon is naive and I had misjudged General Oliver. Hanlon complains that his plan was to station the Rangers on the ridge above the dam so their sharpshooters could take out the Legion as they attack, which was the same place they were stationed in the First Battle of Hoover Dam. He said Oliver overrode his decision and ordered they be placed on the dam itself, which Hanlon claimed was because Oliver was jealous the Rangers got the credit for the victory at the First Battle. BUT, @1:21:09 it's noted that the Legion will lay down constant artillery fire on that ridge, presumably expecting the Rangers to be there again. If Hanlon had had his way, his Rangers would have been slaughtered before they could have fired a single shot. So, it could very well be that Oliver's decision was based on experience, and he knew you should never place your troops in the same spot twice, whereas Hanlon naively thought if it worked once it will work again. Hanlon, being a Ranger, has little experience in full scale warfare and is thinking like someone fighting raider gangs rather than a professional army. It didn't occur to him that his opponent will analyze the First Battle and be ready to counter any tactics the NCR used in it. Like so many inexperienced soldiers, he failed to recognize his commanding officer's decisions weren't about arrogance or pettiness, but about decades of training and experience. Hanlon knows how to win a battle, Oliver knows how to win a war.

[@Alex-yf4zi]

But Oliver still does Things that hinder the war efford, like massing troops at the Dam leading to the NCR being understaffed all over the mojave making it eazyer for the legion to take out Nipton, Searchlight and making Camp in Cottonwood Cove, while i agree about hanlon, i wouldnt say Oliver knows how to win a war as he is moastly out to win glory same as Moore (kinda) she is more tactical but also Just as warhawkish like if she gets her way Both the Khans and BOS are whiped out and unable to help the NCR if i recall correctly if you talk to the NCR Ambasetor in vegas about her plan for the BOS she gets him fired

[@briansnoopy123]

Hell yeah Neocypher and Radking for the win

[@theneocypher]

Ave!

[@SleepyGeist]

Radking more like dadking (ily buddy and i hope you have a beautiful weekend)

[@SaraSara-oe6il]

I'm ngl brobro that's pretty homosexual

[@Welshire01]

Love the video

[@Rad_King]

Love to hear that :)

[@theneocypher]

Glad you loved it! 🎉

[@AskTorin]

I loved the collab. This is really cool.

[@josephineo787]

RadKing your videos are my new obsession

[@TheHylianJuggalo]

Now.... how canonically accurate is the Old World Blues HOIV map

[@Pantsinabucket]

Basically 90% of HOIIV OWB that isn’t NCR/legion is purely made up or taken from cut content/design docs for cancelled games like Van Buren, making it very canonically inaccurate.

[@mappingshaman5280]

Mexico and canada are basically non canon, colorado has questionable canon status as aside from the hangdogs we have no confirmation of where the tribes lived before the legion conquered them, new reno, vault city, arroyo, klamath, san francisco and the den technically dont have a confirmed status though its likely after fallout 2 most became part of the ncr but this can be done through their focus trees. The mojave doesn't have a lot of the new vegas factions but most of them have cores. Utah is mostly canon due to honest hearts,but the extremist Christians north of new canaan probably aren't. In new vegas the montana bos chapter is mentioned but thats the only canon in the new areas. Oregon and texas are mostly based off the cancelled fallout games fallout extreme and fallout brotherhood of steel 2.

[@KingOfLesbia]

@mappingshaman5280 here in Utah those Christians are known as Mormons ( Which is The predominant religion in Utah) I'm sure if any of them did survive a nuclear war they might reinvent their religion a little bit I forget all the in game Lore But essentially the new caneittes are just A post apocalyptic version of the Mormon church

[@radec5437]

​@@KingOfLesbia I think he Is speaking about another factions, Heaven's gate, Who I think was inspired by thw Far cry series. They are different than new Canaan mormors

[@someguy9293]

The problem is we only get Fallout through a fine lenes that the games give us. Until Bethesda or Microsoft, create more games and expand that lore, Old World Blues is as accurate canonically as it can be.

[@PresAlexWhit]

If/When you cover Fallout 76 Cartography, I'd recommend collaborating with or watching the KZbinr Irresolute Cartographer who has thoroughly gone through 74 locations Pre-Wastelanders Update in his "Fallout 76 Surveyal" series. It would be a huge mistake in my opinion to ignore the Pre-Wastelanders factions, territories, and locations. To see the change from 2102 and 2103 would be fantastic. Great videos as always, RadKing.

[@PulsatingHyena]

Recently subscribed, and glad i did! This video is awesome!

[@theneocypher]

Glad you liked it!! 🎉

[@Dr-Dino2077]

I love neocypher and his way of narrating so much ❤ great video btw

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much!! 😁

[@Dr-Dino2077]

@@theneocypher of course man! I’ve been a fan of you for awhile I love how you actually appreciate the legion and do them justice!

[@Tinyrick719]

Finally another video to watch at work 🙏 Adam is good

[@conmereth]

Nice work here man definitely one of your best so far

[@kennetth1389]

Very nice work. Never fully supported the legion during a playthrough, but I enjoyed seeing the possible outcome. Tend to go for the house or yes-man endings.

[@johanbjorkman1914]

Respectable 👍

[@geoffgrigg381]

Well now I have to download this again and play it once more because this hit the nostalgia button real hard.

[@johnuselmann2704]

What a great addition to the series!

[@groovymckraut7179]

Ahhh yes the video I’ve been hoping for ❤

[@Vault25-8]

Very wonderful and delightful to listen to you both very much enjoyed this video keep up the good work both of you

[@theneocypher]

Will do! 💪🏻

[@Pos1t1ve-Neg1t1ve]

New 1 hour Radking! Let's goooo

[@GardnerMinshewSimp]

Yall have a nice chemistry honestly i hope this isn't the last collab.

[@solothurns]

Was watching some of your older cartography videos just last night and saw a comment on one of them asking for this exact video. Then come today, here it is. The prophecy foretold the arrival

[@theneocypher]

Hail!

[@theguysask4257]

I think it’s funny how often, when we hear about the problems in the wasteland, my brain immediately goes to “and then the Courier showed up with an unlicensed war crime.” 😂

[@evilbron666]

1:11:04 The hoover dam was built to withstand a nuke. A few air dropped bombs would not do too much damage i think. Thanks for the vid, very nice colab.

[@macb9009]

This really shows how good and cool the story of New Vegas is.. like an active war between to of the main factions throughout the whole game..

[@robtheman8057]

Amazing video my mind is blown great breakdown! NCR FOREVER

[@calebmoseley8953]

Yeaaaa new Rad video!!! Love your content

[@Fish-er]

I really enjoyed this video and the format your going with! I look forward to even more of these style videos!

[@whaaaaaaap]

I want to see the battle of Hoover dam, but with fallout 4 power armor, new NCR Ranger’s, and the legion power armor that was done in art.

[@mrziiz6893]

You forgot the last part of total NCR victory! The Courier and Boon single-handily wiping out the Fort and killing Caesar! That’s a staple of every NCR playthrough! Or really any non-legion one.

[@AntiCom2222]

Everyone gangsta until Preston Garvey Finds out some settlements in the Mojave needs the minutemens help! (Different time ik lol)

[@cj_wit_the_lunch_tray3231]

This is like my favorite video too date, thank you holy radking for preaching the lore of the wastelands❤

[@fudgegorilla]

I'd love for a version of the Cartography that covers the Mojave if the Courier goes independent-My personal idea is that the Mojave itself would become a loosely associated federation of the various communities, with New Vegas as the "capital". But that's Best Case, Courier Helped Everyone And Upgraded The Securitrons type stuff. A fun video could be "What if the Courier did the MOST for the Mojave" and then "What if they did the most TO the mojave", aka... a. courier helps everyone, makes everything better, kicks out the NCR and legion vs b. the courier ruins everything, slaughters communities, nukes the long 15 and dry wells, destroys hoover dam, etc etc

[@fernmiranda]

Great video! Do more collabs. You compliment each other nicely.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Fucking feature-length, LET'S GO!!!

[@theneocypher]

Ave!

[@SagedAndJaded]

NCR this Legion that, no one ever wants to talk about how good No-Bark would be for the Mojave

[@Stink111]

Bro you deserve a lot more recognition

[@mrman6723]

Very awesome video - shows how well written this game was

[@ryanbusch2885]

40:02 if you’re stealthy enough during the missing supplies mission then the legion will spawn in next to existing fire geckos and cazadores This doesn’t go well for them

[@SaraSara-oe6il]

Yeah man nobody asked

[@crowvii]

I love it! I miss those crazy stealth secrets!

[@the_coveted_one2163]

@@SaraSara-oe6il no need to be a douche

[@baneofbanes]

@@SaraSara-oe6ilI asked

[@metalxslimes]

I’ve always seen convincing the Great Kahns to just leave to be the best choice. It’s cool to see them at the battle, but their slide at the end says they’re completely wiped out after. If they leave the faction goes on to regroup and live on.

[@raku744]

Brethren. Let bask in his green glow ✨️💚✨️

[@erieperry8241]

An amazing video from two amazing creators! But there's one rule in Vegas that'll never change: The House Always Wins

[@Koltonsherry]

if synonymous was in this this would literally be the holy trinity of fallout youtubers

[@theneocypher]

You are too kind 🥹

[@morgalorga1987]

Never ask an enclave remnant what happened at Navarro Never ask a brother of steel what happened at Helios One Never ask a legionaire what happened at Hoover Dam

[@1heKing]

Never ask an NCR Soldier what happened at Bitter Springs

[@tattooedredheadx]

This was a long watch, but very informative. Thank you.

[@nekipeh7373]

"For the Republic" - C̶l̶o̶n̶e̶ NCR trooper

[@rustyjoots2336]

Ave! Great job guys awesome video

[@mina7572]

WOO starting the best modern Fallout title!

[@BrazilianDreemurr2008]

The reason that the Legion was able to resist the NCR for so long despite their old tactics, was because they also had guns and had the same problems when it came to Logistics along with the NCR; they're on equal terms when it comes to low amount of bullets.

[@domskillet5744]

When people ask why NV is the best 3d fallout game, this is one of the biggest reasons. You can't do a geopolitical breakdown of 3 or 4 because those worlds are just full of random things placed in random locations, they have no cohesion and don't feel like believable worlds as a result.

[@ryanrusch3976]

Now the thing about the NCR is that without player intervention it goes really fucking bad for them. McCaran gets destroyed, Forlorn Hope gets destroyed, Camp Golf gets destroyed, the Strip Embassy gets bombed and mass casualties, and the Dam probably falls

[@theneocypher]

Can attest to this ☝️

[@LewisB3217]

I mean, yeah, that’s literally what rpg games do lol, without the player, Caesar literally dies, house never gets to upgrade his chip, etc etc, means nothing, canonically the ncr is the strongest in the region at this time, closely followed by the legion

[@bobafett9348]

Even with courier on NCR side, you practically have to retake entire Damn by yourself.

[@einfachignorieren6156]

@@LewisB3217 again, caesar may die, yet the attack will still happen. Lanius is a capable military leader. all NCR quest are about making the NCR strong ENOUGH to beat the legion. where as the legion quest are about weakening the NCR further to make the victory easier and more lickley

[@bejaminmaston1347]

F0nv ending slides: full ending story to everyone and everything effected by the battle F03 ending slides: he a good boi

[@darkcheaker]

When I got this notification I was hoping there would be more gambling

[@TrollinGear]

The only group id join is "The Followers of RadKing" the real power behind the curtain.

[@bobbyham3700]

Holy shit!!! Yessirrrrrrrrrr been waiting thanks rad 👑

[@roi-77]

Just played through the NCR presidential speech this morning. No explosives were on the vertebird, and the troopers took care of the engineer spy on their own while I wasn't even looking. The sniper was completely normal tho lol

[@lucasbrown4981]

One of my favorite details is learning from Joshua Graham that if whatever happened in the Divide hadn't happened, the 1st Battle for Hoover Dam would have turned out much worse for Caesar.

[@Alex-yf4zi]

What does he say exactly?

[@emmy8998]

MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!! NEW VEGAS CARTOGRAPHY

[@theneocypher]

Ave!

[@Le_sad_man]

He is finally back atom bless you

[@hunterwetz4742]

LFG I knew you’d be making this video soon!